http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResource … olRemarks/
Personally, i told my kids to plug their ears up if they start playing that video. For one, I seen the video,.No one has the right to tell my kid's to pledge to Obama. My kids pledge to God and the Alliegance of the flag NOTHING else. I dont care if he did change it, bottom line he had his adgenga and that was to get the kids to pledge to him.BS !! He needs to focus on more important things, like the Wars and getting bread, bullets and band-aids our troops are saying they are out of.
And oh Tex,...I'm the first in line for fighting any terrorist on my homeland country Semper Fi !!!!
You told your kids to plug their ears? Really, I am sorry but I think that is over the top. I feel you have little respect for Obama. The original lesson plan was cheesy, and that is all. I am sort of offended that you are implying Obama is a terrorist. I have tried to think maybe you were open minded to others, but I suppose not.
hmm that was an interesting speech...I do wonder however, how many kindergartners through 3rd graders are going to understand words like "AIDS", "global economy", "personal responsibility", "google, facebook and twitter".
as for trying hard to find something to be offended about, I think the President is responsible for people turning a wary eye towards everything he does. he doesn't act very presidential, in my book. he appears to be combative, gossipy, too casual, and even a little sneaky. that "beer summit" was the biggest joke I have ever seen and something beneath the office of the POTS.
And all this time I thought it was POTUS.
Badmouthing the verbal skills of the only president of the last 8 1/2 years who can pronounce the word "nuclear"? My My...
Yeah, you get too close to Obama and they always drag Bush into it.
In my opinion, I found the speech to be very well aimed at students to work hard on their own futures and aspire to make a better life of their own. Everyone knows that in this country what counts is what is in black and white (ink & paper for all of you that quoting racism) The speech is very inspiring made me want to go back to school, but I am a Cuban and I can't help but wonder what is the real agenda. Correct me if I am wrong please but why does he have to talk to the students of this nation everyday from now on???? Fidel started the same way, Chavez talks to his country every morning.
If it is a one time speech, then it was pretty good and I congratulate him for making an effort to talk to the future generation. Made it very real and tried to use his experiences to make it more real for students to connect to him.
If it is an everyday thing, then I think that we need to really question who is our elected official and what he is up to.
Communisim/socialism looks awesome ON PAPER but never works in real life and there will never be a person responsible enough to have that position because in the end everyone gets greedy.
Look at Russia, still recovering from that economic breakdown. Look at Cuba, in the 1950's it was the most advanced and economically prosperous latin american country, now where is it, in the toilet.
Look at what chavez is doing to venezuela, look at Honduras, now there is a political stand off on who is the real president.
Look at china....need I say more
'We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country. '
Excellent speech. He can be proud of it. It's a very far cry from the indoctrination he was going to ram down all their throats before we all screamed our heads off.
maybe next time you'll think before screaming your head off.
It's precisely BECAUSE we screamed that it was a good speech at all - Sheesh!
What facts? I have yet to see a shred of evidence that a single word of Obama's speech was changed, let alone as a result of the howling by rednecks and knuckle draggers.
So much for the Big Tent. Tolerance takes a holiday.
Wouldn't matter. We rednecks and knuckle draggers have nothing to teach you.
READ THE WHOLE THREAD. The rest of us have already discussed this.
"Discussed this." Yes, but I saw nothing but unsubstantiated assertions. No facts.
I have seen no facts that I am a "knuckle dragger" Redneck yes!
I repeat, read the whole thread. The objectionable parts of his speech were quoted.
You are correct. The head of Florida's (imagine that!) GOP made the unsubstantiated assertion in an interview. When asked if he had any proof, he said no.
Glenn Beck should do an investigation of this charge. That would get to the truth of the matter!
Facts, please. I haven't seen a shred of evidence for this assertion.
I think I'll go back out and enjoy poolside relaxation~~~
it's appalling that parents are teaching their children to be disrespectful by their whining~
o.k., bluedog, one more response, then back to the pool. I've spent the last 14 years teaching, both public and private school settings~~ (recently laid off two days before my vacation) for the most part, teachers are raising a lot of these young children and it's quite sad how lonely and stressed many of them are, as young as 3 yrs.
Parents really need to stop giving their kids material things and start giving them quality time playing outdoors, taking them to museums,reading all kinds of books, teaching them HOW to think, not WHAT to think. we want our future generation to know how to make intelligent decisions, not biased judgments.
hey, happy labor day USA.
My sentiments exactly. Have a wonderful Labor Day too!
PS- The 'essays' were never, ever -even for a minute- mandatory. The fact that many anti-Obama folks can't even post a comment about him without adding schoolyard name-calling ("Nobama" or making sure to include his middle name cuz ya'all know wut dat meenz, dat heez a muzzlim!!) speaks volumes.
He's a "Muzzlim?"I knew there was something I didn't like about him!
Dern tootin'! Plus, did you notice how he acts all nice and happy and well-spoken? T-R-O-U-B-L-E!
Yeah he is happy and well spoken that is until anyone asks him a question or his teleprompter hits the floor, then he reminds me of hmmmmmmm, GW
First, the essays were originally mandatory, sent out to the teachers. Second Nobama is my pet name for him, because originally I kept saying no, no everytime I saw him on TV. No disrespect. And as far as being well spoke, he has mastered that, but a speech is just a speech, unfortunatly written by others.
I don't know before, but the last 5 american presidents have always said in their speech what others have written before. And above them. If you get my meaning. I'm not begining an argument here. I'm not american and this is only MHO.Just want to have my say. But I think you should be aware of Obama, opinion, looking your country from the outside.
Some "teachers" have a picture of Obama superimposed on the American flag in their classrooms - just so the kids won't "forget" who he is, of course. But hey, nothing is "mandatory". . .
exactly. today's schools are required to offer and teachers are required to babysit through before-school programs and after-school programs. this all sandwiched around a full day of children who eventually return home at the end of the day to parent-influenced materialism.
All the uproar from the parents caused them to do away with the essays etc. I agree this speech is very similar to other presidents.
What do you base that on? Do you have even a shred of evidence? If you do, let's see it.
What do you base that on? Do you have even a shred of evidence? If you do, let's see it.
If you have any evidence supporting this assertion, let's see it!
I just don't get it.
He's the President, not some child molester.
I don't get it either???
Sounds like Paddy getting off the plane in a foreign country and the first thing he says with a heavy Irish accent is:
"By the way, who is the Government, because I am against them!!!"
The president who wants to socialize our economy and appoints personal non-elected, non-confirmed czars to control every area of our lives.
His personal lack of a father makes him assume we all need his "guidance". In his efforts to reach young black males he is stepping on the toes of everyone else.
Ridiculous. The speech was nothing but a good will measure to inspire young people to do well in school. Quite a few presidents have done the same thing in the past, including Reagan and Bush.
Your post reeks of Glenn Beckisms. He's the only one who has used the word 'czar,' as far as I know. And I won't even ask how he is "stepping on the toes of everyone else."
"The story of America isn't about people who quit when things got tough. It's about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best," --Barack Obama
Yeah. Subversive stuff.
Let's see, people screamed their heads off about a speech they hadn't read.
Then the text gets published and says nothing about what you imagined and you take credit for it?
There was going to be an essay about how kids thought they could help the leader of their country which always seems to have gone along with president's speaking to schools.
Yep. It was publicized, written about, talked about, and discussed before he gave the speech. Which of these did you miss?
Also, it has NEVER gone along with "the president's speech" on what you can do for that "leader", only what you can do for your country.
All I saw was some proposed ideas on what might be covered in the speech.
But, I still see about how to help the President in that he is the head of state of the county not of a specific political party. Again, I ask...don't you have any faith in children?
It's not about having faith in children, it's about understanding how manipulative techniques work on the human mind, even if one is aware of them, as it has been proven in clinical studies. School kids wouldn't stand a chance. And you're right, it's not about a specific political party, but about underhanded mental manipulation.
But it is not president duty to put foot into the schools. His duty is to protect us and our Constitution. This is why we voted for president.
The schools are already socialistic, this is why we have troubles. I do not have any hope for country if socialism in school will continue.
Yeah, he took out the stuff about socialism and summer jobs with Acorn and learning how to make bombs in Chemistry class.
Sorry, but I don't think the speech was ever published before you were screeming your heads off. The part that everyone was screeming about was in the work sheet concerning what the children could do to help the president, PRECISELY THE SAME QUESTION that George Bush, Sr., asked the children in 1991. I think you did accomplish something with all this screeming about indoctrination, conspiracy theories, and communism, and that was to make yourselves look just plain silly. I think we have a bunch of sore loosers here. Excuse me, but I couldn't hold this in any longer.
I don't think its about sore losers, if conservatives didn't see this one being elected then they were blind! That does not mean Obama is at all competent to run this Nation, he has shown an amazing ability to "not get it!" A majority of us do not want government run health care! A majority of us are not happy with the job he is doing! But yet he continues to thumb his nose at us and continue on the road to a one term Presidency, I for one am enjoying the show. You Democrats or Liberals or whatever you may want to get him in line with the actual majority or get used to the minority once again!
I don't know Tex, I never thought George would be re-elected because of the crappy job he was doing but we saw what happened. (Did you get your limit on mourning dove last Saturday, or did your season open then?)
I got my limit! But it opened on the first or at least I hope it did I went that day! Heard a lot of shotguns so I must have been good. Bush was a complete Cluster F@#K but I think the option was worse both times!
Perhaps you are right, but the lack of options in every presidential election seems to be the rule rather than the exception. (Got my limit too! Thinking of switching to a 20 gauge, my shoulder hurts!)
I have always hunted with a 20 gauge, tried both 20 was always my preference. What is the limit there ours has changed to 15
Same as here 15, I've always used a 12 gauge but will soon switch to a 20. Great shoot though, non stop shooting until the owner called a halt to save some birds for the next morning.
I go to my dads Ranch for the first part of the season because he is in the North zone, go to mine in Hondo for the South zone season. I could sit in my backyard at home and shoot more here than either ranch. I am surrounded by corn fields, but the city would probably frown on it.
If you hadn't given Obama's name, I would have thought you were talking about Bush. When his approval rating sank to an all time low, he thumbed his nose at us and went about doing what was in his opinion "best for us". I'm not too worried about a second term for Obama. It'll be a long time before people forget the Bush era.
Then from now on Presidents of the United States should not speak to school children at all, they should never appear in classrooms, and should never even be discussed in school?
Why are you saying it should be either/or? I already said I thought his speech, in it's final form, was excellent.
"Vladimir Uhri escaped from communistic Czechoslovakia by swimming across the Adriatic sea from Yugoslavia to Italy. Later he entered free America"
I have a couple of points to make. Firstly, do you NOW consider Czechoslovakia to be a 'free' country? I've been to prague, seemed pretty free to me.
And secondly, do you feel that as a non-American native, you have the right to dictate the politics of America? Im not saying that you have to be born in America to have a right to your opinion, but that perhaps you should respect the democratically elected government of the country that gave you a chance and a lifeline? The same people that welcomed you into their communities have voted for Obama to lead their country. You have the right, should you so wish, to return to the Czech Republic should you not be happy with the governance of America.
Lets get something clear here, I am actually from the UK and live in the UK. I adore multi-culturalism, have friends from all sorts of backgrounds, countries, upbringings. But if I ever hear a non-British (and non-British does not mean non-white before somebody jumps to a conclusion, I live in Yorkshire - I see plenty of that BS) person being overly critical of my country, with I consider to be almost a lack of gratitude for opportunity, then I tell them in no uncertain terms "If you dont like it here, then fuck off home". An extreme example of this would be muslim immigrants pushing for Sharia law and holding placards saying "death to Britain" - In Britain!
And no I am not racist, you have made the decision to live in America - America will be how it wants to be.
Is Vlad a US Citizen? If so then you should "F#@K OFF HOME!
You can take my comment however you wish, but I was actually referring to people that hold up placards in London saying 'Death To Britain', as an extreme example. If you had a mini Tehran in Texas, with people waving placards saying 'Death To America' then you would probably be telling people to fuck off too.
No that wouldn't be my reaction! Maybe you should grow a pair and do more than whine about it, I would!
Like what? Try and get past three rows of riot police protecting the "freedom of speech" of those islamic people?
Remember that once they have put their banners away, and have dispersed, there is no chance of identifying them again. Unless you are advocating "growing a pair" and taking it out on the hundreds of thousands of decent islamic people that walk amongst them on the streets?
Is that your justification for letting your Country slip into a cesspool of Islamic extremism? I would get through those lines in a much different way, thats the difference between a Patriot and a victim!...Victim
If watching my country "slip into a cesspool of Islamic extremism" is the alternative to spending my life in prison for becoming a vigilante, then watching my country destroyed is probably my preferred option - yes. It is a sad state of affairs, and France is having similar problems, but your quite correct in what you say.
How exactly is it that you propose I go about my vigilantism? Attacking every muslim I see on the street? Just in case I strike it lucky and it is one of the 1 in 30 muslims with extremist views?
Do you think I like seeing this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5omD33H … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXCxmuuq … eature=fvw
Well I dont.
BUT EQUALLY Do you think I like seeing this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpDrgrxr … re=related
Well I dont like seeing this either.
This is setting our country back years. These protests were hijacked by the far right. I am not a facist, so NO I wont involve myself in these types of protests. I am not a white supremacist.
I would like our whole country, all colours, creeds, everybody to get on and love each other. But, unfortunately, there is a small minority (MINORITY) of muslims who seem to have other ideas.
Your Country is being destroyed and you're afraid of prison? Don't refer to yourself as a Patriot! Patriots seek to protect their Country at any cost, the best way to refer to yourself is Coward!
Anybody that is prepared to spend their life in prison may not be a coward, but they are certainly idiots. You still have answered not my questions, how do you propose that I go about defending my country against Islamic extremism? Attacking anybody that looks Islamic? Sorry, not what I am about. You can refer to yourself sir as a 'thug'.
I told you what I would do, I know what you're about, whining about Extremist Muslims is not what I'm about! So watch your Country become more and more ridicules and "caring" the chances of Muslims doing that in public where I am is about zero!
You havent told me what you would do. Go on then, how would you fight islamic extremism?
Your own soldiers, like ours, arent doing a great job of it in Afghanistan.
But of course, you can take on the world?
You need to go back and read, you can read? Yeah we can take on the whole world and win! A couple of tactical nukes would straighten out Afghanistan, you know what a tactical nuke is don't you? Just because we don't fight the war in the way we could does not mean we can't! I wouldn't be too mouthy about the US Military, especially as you are cowering under your bed!
Your an abolute moron. Always the American answer isn't it? Nuclear weapons?
No regard to the millions of innocent human lives that would be lost, no regard to the deformed babies being born for centuries afterwards. No appreciation of how a nuclear war would probably kill Americans too - we do have something known as an eco-system you know.
And most of all, once again, a complete failure to acknowledge that America are not the biggest Nuclear power in this world.
Obviously don't know what a tactical nuke is, who is the moron?
Yes I know what a tactical Nuke is, the UK possesses them, . Never been used before, and I would put my bottom 'dollar' on the USA being the first to use them if it ever happens. Why? Because of morons like you.
I've never even had a filling, go fix your dentures old man.
Are you fucking kidding? You're from Texas...should that explain your train of thought? Everything is bigger, right?
I know many Americans who wish that it was another country. George Bush - former president of Texas.
I am one of those people, we could decide who immigrates here due their failing economy and make sure they don't bring their bad ideas to our thriving economy!
Why not throw every non white out while your at it, before building a wall around your entire state, appointing a dictator, developing the Texas state ideology, and pointing a nuclear weapon at every country in the world? I guess that sounds like heaven to you.
Would that be your solution? I never said that, is it your contention anyone who would stand up and fight an enemy is a racist?
The Muslim religion is not the enemy, that is perhaps what you find difficult to understand. There are 1.5bn muslims in the world. America does not have 1.5bn enemies.
Did you know that the fastest growing world religion is Scientology? You have those on your doorstep...... are you going to erradicate those too? In case they ever attack the white-christian Peoples Republic of Texas?
"white-christian Peoples Republic of Texas?" I guess you do believe anyone who would defend their Country is a racist. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
Im saying that attacking muslims is racist, in case they may be extremist, yes. Which is what you are proposing I do. Either that or shooting at my countries own policemen. Im not really sure what it is that you are saying I should do. Personally I think that you are bordering on insane.
Look Worm I don't care what you think! You have proven yourself to be a coward and I hope someone in your Country has the balls to stand up to Islamic terrorists, we know it wont be you so maybe you have a tougher sister! Either way I no longer care what you have to say, now go see a dentist and get something done about your chronic halitosis!
Fuck you arsehole. Go play with your toy Nukes you freak.
brilliant work, ryan. it's refreshing to let someone else deal with the stench for a change.
You know when you get so angry that you see red and start to shake? This man made me feel like that.... first time on this forum! A new low, probably the lowest that I have encountered..... Anyway, on with this job application
It's hard to tell if Tex is as dumb as he sounds or he's just a master baiter. Possibly both.
Probably a very sad man, with no enjoyment in his life; who needs to be controversial as his only means of excitement. And thus, probably a master baiter with a little too much anger (although I could recommend many more appropriate sites for being a master baiter )
Life is too short to become bitter and hateful about everything. So pity is all that you can do I guess.
Im not so sure, there is a certain time in many peoples lives when...... well, being a master baiter becomes a lot more difficult
But will it be covered in our new Health Plan, that's what a lot of people are asking?
How much is Viagra in the US?
Some NHS doctors actually refuse to prescribe it, and they retain the right to refuse.
The NHS actually charges for Viagra, although subsidised. Something like $30 for 4 tablets (I just googled, but that was 2 years ago - may have gone down now).
yes, i know what you mean, but you're using the the term "man" rather loosely there. it's the right wing lunatic fringe that's going to cause problems for this country, and have been doing so for years. i back this statement up with the fact that it's been on vivid display on hubpages for a couple of weeks now.
I see fusha, but when I get that mad, soooo mad I feel I've hit a new low I rely on 'Preperation H' to handle whats set my but on fire.
C'mon Blue Bozo, that all you got? Where did he get the toy nukes?
That's funny. I thought $cientology was on the way out after being publically deconstructed like so: http://seaarrrgh.com
This thread is better than a movie, I'm only up to page 10 so far but gold star to this fella for being by far the biggest retard to grace the thread at this point (and there's been some stiff competition).
He prefers the term 'tard. Sounds more folksy
lol, 'The engine's runnin' but ain't nobody drivin'.
If I skip straight to page 34 and the cupcakes do I miss much?
Who you calling crazy? Not me, I'm perfectly sane.
You're definitely to the left of me and no retard is not a compliment but I expect that would be as close to giving one as you would come and do I really have to explain a tactical nuke? Are none of you as smart as you claim?
You weren't being called a 'tard due to any misunderstanding of what a tactical nuke is, it was due to everything else that came out of your mouth.
Such as: 'we can take on the whole world and win!'
Maybe a bit much, but if we really went that far who knows, I think there is a large misunderstanding of what a tactical nuke is until you googled it. You want to end a war target the Hindu Kush and show your ass, do you think it might be a deterrent to terrorist nations? Maybe not the individual terrorist but those Nations supporting them, might cut down on the support. Nahhhh, what the hell would I know, you probably are ok with the 8 year war.
You sound like you'd like to give it your best shot.
And seriously, every kid with a games console or a DVD player knows what a tactical nuke is these days, zis is no longer classified information.
Hey Texan, I'm bored of winding you up now, but in all seriousness, would you? ^
Shit Boy you can't wind me up, I'm not a shaker like Rotten tooth or a coward like Duck boy, so if you wonder if I want the US to take on the whole world? No! But I don't want to lose a bunch of Marines and Soldiers, Corpsman just to walk away and say that was a waste of time and personnel. If your talking about you, then I say come and give this old timer your best shot, but you won't like it!
Fair enough, I can see sense in that, especially if you've served and seen the human losses first hand and can see them as a tragedy if nothing was achieved through those lost lives. But I think you can understand why I took exception to your earlier statement about taking on the whole world and winning, and forcing people to cower under their beds, etc.
For the record you probably would beat me in a fair fight (being a Marine and all) but I'd fight dirty and kick you in the balls.
This don't mean I like you or nothing.
I fight much dirtier than you little lady, and I have no intention of being friendly! So you done talking shit?
well, mrvoodoo, now you see why this one's on page 37. and still, no one's home.
I can't even remember what this thread is about anymore, lol
And your still lost in the 70's all dressed up and nowhere to go! Or is it no one to blow, which is it Duckboy?
hey tex (with a little t), i wrote a hub today, thinking about you and your ilk. go check it out. no, it's not the one on deeper awareness, you're far too shallow for that. it's the other one, about social discourse. i think you'll like it.
No thank you I have no interest in reading your Hub. How's that for social discourse?
I consider the source and determine if my time would be wasted, with Duck its a pretty easy determination! And Duck, the Armadillo is still closed.
i had wanted to put either yours or tex (with a little t) names in the title, but they were only two cent keywords, very little traffic.
Tomorrow's homework.....pick a czar and get to know him....
ROFL! Well done.
Just like The Colbert Report wherein he profiles a district!
These people have no interest in Obamagods Czars, they are sheep blindly following the messiah and taking a stand against the imaginary racism that is causing his poll numbers to plummet!
I worked for a living, such formalities are unnecessary! You are dismissed in more ways than one!
But I like your style, I may not give you a nickname like the other squirrels!
Sorry my computer just crashed, dismissed in more ways than one? What does that mean, if I get guys in black jump suits with night-vision goggles and assault rifles come crashing through my window later I will not be happy.
I was kinda looking forward to the nickname, but that’ll have to wait for another time, I got beer and cigarettes and I’m gonna go blow me some shit up on the games console.
It’s been fun.
Whoa! If you kick him in the balls you have to marry him! Didn't you read the rules killer?
No its right there plain as day, 'If you kickuth the balls thou shalt marry the balls." Rule #213 of the new 'Family Handbook.'
You dont even have respect for your own county Mischa. At least I can call myself patriotic and proud. And I guess you know what I am talking about.
Keep on spamming Misha, just keep on spamming....
You'll grow up eventually. Or not? Some people never do
Why is this an issue of me growing up? Its more an issue of my just taking a dislike to you, and being honest about that fact. No amount of "growing up" will change that. I guess that disliking a very popular hubber isn't ideal, but thats just the way it is - it will probably lose me friends, but thats fine with me. If you would like me to explain further then thats fine, otherwise - I am sure that you can at least appreciate my honesty.
You do not have any idea what are you talking about.
So you cant answer my simple question. Do you think that your country of birth is NOW a free country? I dont know if that would be considered the Czech Republic, Croatia or where.... but I have been to both of those countries, and they are fantastic places.
Because, as Madame X surely, absolutely knows, tksensei and I are a duo liberal spy plot team designated and dedicated to breaking up serious, serious conservative debate forum topics like this one.
Seriously. Folks. Believe it.
They're out there.
OK, here's my 'beef' with Nobama; on every issue from the begining, if the minority doesn't keep him in check he is inclined to stray. This speech is only this 'inspiring' since the parents got in an uproar. He would follow a different path if we didn't have him in check...It's tiring trying to keep digging every day about what he's doing and saying.
I have said it before... Why is it that, when it comes to publicly berating the president, the conservatives are totally against it... until we get a democrat president?
I take it on a point-by-point basis. I guess you missed where I said his "speech was excellent".
I guess you were not paying attention when Bush was kept in check. However he wasn't undermining the country as much.
That one will have me giggling for a week. Thanks. *whew!*
Laugh if you want but I guess this would be a good time to bring up a question. Van Jones was not asked to resign, what does that say about the president and his beliefs? Jones being just one of many with a very shady background, will still remain as advisor. Does this not bother anyone?
I'm still trying to get through 3 levels of police line to show my anger at Muslim extremists, I don't have time to worry about Obamagod now!
Jones escaped his turn in the news cycle by announcing his resignation over a holiday weekend. BHO further eased the pain by saying he was not asked to resign. The President couldn't admit a mistake was made. It all worked out in tidy bundle for the Dems.
I am not that conservative, but I live in Texas, so it is inevitable that I have many friends who are conservative. It seemed to be the popular argument, in the days of Bush, that it was "unpatriotic" to berate the president in public. I am not pointing fingers, because I believe anyone can say what they want. It is just ironic to me that many of the same people who wanted to persecute Natalie Maines, are criticizing the president in an international forum. I have really noticed the double standard in my own community.
This is not about "democrat". It is about socialism.
One thing I have learned in these forums is that you can't just throw out words like 'socialism', it's above some peoples heads. You have to specifically explain or post a link.
The concept of socialism is not "above my head". I have yet to make assessments about anyone's intelligence. I don't appreciate anyone making assessments about mine. I will gladly leave this thread now. Thanks for the futility!
I agree with you,..Nobama pushes it to see how far he can go.
Should I pick up a tin foil hat? This was meant for Lita
Why is it that whenever anyone wants to promote some wingnut idea someone ends up saying it's to 'protect the children'?
I predict the next hysterical outcry will be that Obama's comin' after all the white wimmin.
That line went over very well in "Blazing Saddles"
Mr. Obama is half black and half white, so neither blacks or whites can scream racism.
A picture of GW Bush in the classroom during his term as president caused an astounding outraged cry from the left.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
And as for your slanderous accusation of racism, please show more respect to those of us on the forums you don't agree with .
i think the outrage was because the book he was attempting to read was being held upside down.
The more irrational the argument, the more emotional they make it. Another lady crying over Obama speaking to her kids, well she wants to play on our emotions. The deeper issue is some people are so opposed to Obama they will protest anything he does.
Or those who support Obama will blindly accept anything he says. It's a two-side coin. The best thing is not to take anything for granted, but to think critically anything what is cooked for you. One wouldn't eat food prepared from spoiled ingredients even if it looks okay, right?
As you have asked of others, please don't insult those who disagree by insinuating that everyone here is blindly one-sided. I think that many of us overlap in some of our beliefs, and diverge from one another about others. I most certainly don't take everything the guy says as gospel, that would be lazy and asinine. As would be doing the same w/ Glenn Beck or his ilk. That's why this whole uproar is ridiculous. There's nothing rational about it. Let the kids hear the speech, talk to them about it, and encourage them to think critically about what they heard. There's no partisanship in that. Just makes sense.
Asking others to think logically is not insulting. An accusation of racism is.
As I have said previously, I thought his final speech was excellent. Or am I not "allowed" to break out of my "mold" . . .
You are allowed to do and say whatever you like, and I (nor anyone else that I am aware of) never said any different. "Good luck finding that around here.." was a bit insulting, basically a regurgitation of the 'sheep' label. No big deal, just taking part in the conversation. For what its worth, so far I think you seem to consider many factors, and don't seem like you blindly buy into any one line of thinking.
I certainly never meant to insinuate that I won't allow you to say or think something... Sorry if I somehow made you feel that way!
Thank you, I appreciate your candor.
When I said "Good luck finding that around here.." I was not referring to anyone being "sheep". I firmly believe that everyone here has decided what they choose to think. I don't find a lot of that thinking logical, based on the facts. If others find that insulting there is nothing I can do about it. For myself, I am delighted when someone can best me on logic. It keeps one sharp.
I love that attitude. Brain and (can I say?) balls, to boot!
As I told Harvey Stelman, we might disagree till the cows come home on IssueX or CandidateY, but if we can civilly and intelligently debate with eachother -then we have found our common ground. I don't mind a good discussion, especially one where good points of logic are brought by both sides.
Its like in high-school debate, where you have to argue both sides of an issue just to see how good your argument-building process is. It can be exhilarating!
So, thank YOU for your candor. I will refrain from jumping on to a phrase or word and stick to the facts (except w/ tk, he has got me all hot n swoony w. the insults!)
What was different in his final speech? Did you actually see an earlier draft of his speech. If so, please tell us what was different. Facts, please.
I am probably unpopular for doing it, but the majority of what Obama says will always be more logical than the likes of Glenn Beck. He thinks there is fascist and socialist symbolism in the art around Rockerfeller center. I do not make any apologies for finding Obama to be on the rational and right side, and so be it if conservatives get mad at me for that. I have done my research and actually would like Obama to be more liberal on health care. However, he is a politician and has to compromise more, but as a citizen I am free to speak my mind on these issues .
...and you have done so in a rational way. You have researched issues on your own, and from what I can tell, have kept an open mind.
I try to keep an open mind and I realize as president he has to compromise on key issues. It sounds like the public option is off the table, and they have toned down the school speech. However, some are still implying their is something sinister lurking there, so I do not know what to say. Well they are free to feel that way I suppose.
SP: I agree the speech has been very nicely cleaned up. The sinister aspect is gone.
There was never a sinister aspect to the speech, I just think the lesson plan was sort of cheesy. Of course I am cognizant of the PR agenda behind making many things that Obama does look sinister and evil.
probably meaning that he is not mentioning how he is turning this country into a socialist regime
At least the fact that the suggested after-speech discussion on "How I can help the president" was changed to about "achieving their short- and long-term education goals"
Gosh, be thankful that there is no Atheism class on the first day of school yet.... I remember having that when I was a secondary school student. And in college/university level Atheism class was mandatory.
P.S. this class was called "Scientific Atheism"
"At least the fact that the suggested after-speech discussion on "How I can help the president" was changed to about "achieving their short- and long-term education goals."
The truth: There was nothing like that in Obama's speech, first or last draft. There was something like that in something put out by the U.S. Education Department which was deleted.
That's hard to believe. Where did you go to secondary school and college?
Ralph, I was born and grew up in Soviet Union (USSR) R.I.P. Left it at the age of 32, after Gorbachev opened the curtain.
Born and raised in the "workers' paradise." That explains a lot. I've noticed a similar suspicion and distrust of government among other Hubbers who immigrated from former Soviet countries. You come by it honestly which is more than can be said of some of our native born critics.
Yes we can, but they are viewing our government through a glass distorted by their experience much of which isn't applicable here or in other western democracies. Their perspective might transfer better in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt or Cuba.
Let's see... government take overs of GM, government bypasses bankruptcy court to break up Chrysler, government purchases $40 billion of AIG shares, government passes legislation applying narrowly and specifically to AIG executives, government forces GM CEO to resign, Fannie and Freddie guaranteeing nearly $5.5 trillion of mortgage debt...
I'd say those Hubbers will feel right at home.
Those are temporary measures designed to help pull the country back from the bottomless abyss left by the Bush administrtion. Once we get out of the recession things will get back to normal, hopefully with some additional regulations covering the Banksters of Wall Street who are "too big to fail."
Then it should raise a flag for you. Don't you think we can give you unfrightened free people some alarms? Or may be you think we are lying?
Hm, I wouldn't call it "paradise" even in " ". But we lived, we just didn't know anything else, were too brainwashed. BTW, I remembered more- in addition to Scientific Atheism we had other mandatory classes- Political Economy, Scientific Communism. Nice list?
"probably" doesn't get it. I've been unable to locate any earlier draft than the one he delivered today. I think there's been a whole lotta lyin' goin' on.
"probably" meaning that there was nothing about socialism in anything Obama said or thought of saying.
There was no mention of socialism in anything related to Obama's speech except in the lies put out by his critics.
I happen to have deeper critical thinking skills then you will ever know. I cannot help but see you have been biased against Obama for over year per many of your posts here, but do not worry, many share your views. Also, the analogy about food prepared from spoiled ingredients is just odd. Obama has not done anything I find questionable in encouraging kids to go to school. I can assure you I have done my research and I considered Obama to be the best candidate for president. I am a proud American and I respect Obama, and just because you imply he is some sort of spoiled goods, well that just does not make it so.
I don't intend to offend your ego, I know that you are very well educated and you know your history better tan I do, because I've heard it many times here too. I've said what I've meant, no more. I think that in his speech children look like beforehand non-diligent. That's it.
Have a nice Labor Day, all! I'm out to the sun now!
You don't have to read between lines here, no need. Saying about food I actually meant food, no hints to anybody.
back in from the pool for some food~~
ha, to protect the children, but as soon as they get home, they're subject to endless hours of foxnews propaganda stuff infiltrating their young minds. so they go zone out on warcraft and ipods~~~~ and wake up and do it again. no wonder no one knows how to think anymore. there is no attention span for most school age children any longer.
In defense of Fox News, they are the only media examining the background of say Van Jones. It's ok, to keep you children protected, but as an adult you should be receptive to facts.
Sometimes you have to do your own research. For example the media is saying Jones stepped down because of his remarks on Bush, but fail to mention the other videos in his own words that would be detremental to this country.
Yes, that was my earlier point. You have to look at many sources - and after looking at those other sources, and then hearing similar conclusions from Beck, well it just gets to be too much for some.
My TV is not stuck on Fox, nor do I limit my reading to forum posts. But there are some who get their info from chat rooms, and blogs, which is limited. My personal take is that I listen, and research and try to make my own opion. The sad thing is that there is so much information that sometimes it just makes your head spin.
Just curious, what are your other sources? You sound like you're just overwhelmed with facts! That makes it tough.
I love facts, they are so much more interesting than hearsay.
Here are some facts: Hot Air did the breakdown of Obama's speech. Was it about them?
Update II: Hot Air ran the speech through a word frequency counter and found the following results:
56 iterations of “I”
19 iterations of “school”
10 iterations of “education”
8 iterations of “responsibility”
7 iterations of “country”
5 iterations each of “parents”, “teachers”
3 iterations of “nation”
And to think that people accused Obama of self-promotion!
I noticed the iterations were copied off this blog:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/07/o … -released/
Why not just post a link instead of copying and pasting?
In question of Fox News, I noticed they were the only ones not covering Obama's live speech to the AFL-CIO. Fox reports what it likes, and it turns out Beck has it out for Van Jones because he used to work with a group that is trying to pull advertising from the Beck show. It was the best political move for Van Jones to resign, but Beck seems to have a vested interest in all this, and he just happens to work at Fox.
It’s a very sneaky speech….. manipulative. Negative in its back ground, I would say. But at first it looks like it’s an okay speech, President addressing schoolchildren on their first day of school, nice step on the first glance, why not, President is thinking about next generation, he cares about them….
For me it looked like all the kids are thought of like losers obviously, beforehand. As if from the very beginning they are expected to miss their classes, not to invest their best into study, not to listen to their teachers, etc. Is he giving ideas to the non-diligent kids?
I’m lucky that my son is out of secondary school already….
I myself went through soooo many addressing speeches in my time….. I was lucky that my brain works in that self-protecting way- it shuts to any sense in the speech, I listen but I don’t hear. I make my own decisions, I don’t listen to orators.
Very well put. You make points I had not considered previously.
I think you are speaking to your own prejudice about Obama. I know you have lived outside of the US, so I am not sure how familar you are with speeches that presidents give to their students. In 1991 Bush sr also gave a back to school speech to kids, and some commentators have commented on why other presidents have not done this since.
Also, listening to AFL-CIO speech today I was impressed more than ever with Obama's logic, and his opposition is looking pretty negative to me. If you are so opposed to the speech do not listen, but you are the ones missing out.
the best thing to do, if not you lose your step, and fall out of reality
An excellent read, showcasing precisely why Americans need to be aware that behind the flashy smile and calculated demeanor, evil lurks. Don't be bullied by those who call you paranoid, or who say you are over-reacting. What happened to the America where we stood up for what we believed in? I'll tell you, that America is rapidly disappearing on Barack HUSSEIN Obama's watch, people. Sound the alarm and lock up your wives, playa in da House and we should all be very afraid.
Oh brother . . .
Again, my question is this: If Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white how can either side be called racist?
They can't - it's just the argument they pull out when they have nothing else. It's also childish.
Besides, he's not 50-50. He's only 6% black, even though that's what he calls himself in the US. He's mostly Arab and Caucasian.
Didn't you watch the republican convention?
Can I just say, what a fantastically honest and inspiring speech, and how great of Obama to invest his time and effort into the education system.
Perhaps I could offer a solution to those Obama bashers. As you may be aware, the UK and USA have some very close and traditional trade links. Would you perhaps be willing to trade Gordon Brown with Barrack Obama?
He is white, passionless, dumb, and slightly ugly. Seems to fulfill republican criteria perfectly. Whilst about 80% of Brits would love to have somebody like Obama in charge of our country.
Its not the Queens place to decide, she is just a discrete global celebrity. Unfortunately the Queen is not part of the deal, our country breaks a profit on her A great marketing ploy, we have the Queen and you have, errrmm..... Disneyworld
Actually, maybe we could swap the Royal family for Disneyworld? Would be pretty cool....
She can laugh at all she wants, she is a non-entity now. Running out of money too apparently, put all of her money in the stock market....
She still owns the largest diamond ever found though, and at least another £200m worth of jewellery, about 4 country estates, and pays no tax whatsoever.
My heart bleeds for her!
We already had him...his name was G.W. Bush. Never want to see the likes of him again.
I don't blame you. I suspect that you would rather like to keep Obama too, such a shame.
I guess that we will just have to keep buying coffee from you, and you can keep buying tea from us
OMG, Nicomp! I am ROFLMAO.
"The Queen hasn't been the same since Freddie Mercury died."
That gets my vote for best line of the week. Or at least day.
Well, maybe of the hour.
How can we have a serious discussion with wit like that lurking about??? :lol :lol :lol
I must say I also was somewhat disappointed after reading the text of the President's speech.
I appreciate that it is difficult to write a speech to as diverse an audience as kindergarten through 12th grade.
Still, I felt he aimed a bit too high in his word choices -- quite a few polysyllable ones (notwithstanding the proponderance of the mentions of "I" as so many alert readers have pointed out).
Although his speech scored extremely well in passive sentences (only 2% -- quite excellent for an "inspirational" speech aimed at the call to action "STAY IN SCHOOL") as well as Flesch reading ease (a score of 71.4 is quite readable), I would have liked to see a Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level score a little bit lower. His speech is 7.2 which means it actually went over the head of all of the elementary school students (except the GATE students).
All in all, he probably would have done better to at least break the ice with finishing "My Pet Goat" as suggested by Pam Grundy
Yes, I do miss Freddie Mercury. We keep Queen's Greatest Hits (two CDs) in the car for long trips. Nothing like the boys.
Although I love Paul Rodgers' voice, I just can't imagine him as the lead singer for Queen.
There is/was only one Freddie.
What a set of pipes on that man!
What's this about Bush not undermining the country?
Maybe I am getting two sub-threads confused.
Bush did not wave a placard in the streets of Britain. Oh, but perhaps he would have if he had not been kept in "check" (by who, Cheney???).
I guess it comes down to how one defines "undermining."
What? Are you saying Freddie Mercury was... gay? Shocking! Slanderous!
Say it isn't so! Next he'll be saying Liberace was too.
A Texan, it appears you are getting your countries confused.
We're talking about crowd control in BRITAIN.
Berets and cake -- those are FRENCH (hopefully I don't have to spell out the cake reference for you).
That's not very nice to say, Nicomp
Just because someone sometimes wears torreador pants does not make them a full-blown Tory.
I think one of the Darrens in Bewitched was also. I am not sure if it was Dick Sargent or Dick York and would hate to cast aspersions on anyone:-).
I'm so glad the conservatives in the room have stopped pouncing on the president's benign speech and have switched to the topic they're more comfortable--remembering gay stars. It would appear you had to take that extra Xanax for nothing. It's so scary to have the most powerful man in he world tell kids to work hard in school, no matter the obstacles they face, to become responsible, intelligent citizens.
By the way, I am prepared to die to keep my Country from being overrun by Islamic terrorists!
If you hadn't noticed, there are more pressing issues facing our country.
There are other groups that are crashing planes into our buildings?
And bombing British tubes?
And African Embassies?
In fairness, although that was tragic (I shed a tear whilst watching the second tower going, and I shared your pain). There is not a country on this planet that has not experienced terrorism. Do you know how many terror attacks their have been since 09/11? Dozens, maybe even hundreds. It may have been a new thing to the US, but terrorism is no new thing to the UK. It has long existed.
So? It's still a pressing problem twas all I wanted to say. No one implied that we were somehow special. Cowardly attacks on subways are equally tragic, no doubt.
I am in no way disagreeing with the need to fight Islamic extremism, and I believe that fighting in Afghanistan is essentially fighting that at the core. All cowardly attacks indeed, and something which must be erradicated.
I am however disagreeing with ATexan's apparent suggestion that I should kill every muslim in the UK and that we should Nuke every innocent man, woman and child in Afghanistan.
Dick Cheney has bragged that Bush policies have prevented another terrorist attack since 9-11 ignoring the fact that several targets hit since 0-11have been hotels and banks in the Middle East, India and elsewhere owned by American companies. Aguably, the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld policies have increased terrorism around the world, not diminished it.
I realize you've been TOLD to fear terrorists around every corner, but had you been paying attention to what's happening in our country/world you may have noticed there are too many other issues pressing down on families everywhere.
Which you have now acknowledged through use of the 'edit' button
Add Madrid to that, several attempts in Paris, I think Bali too....
You have made that pretty clear, but you havent explained how. Im not sure how old you are, but thats an easy thing to say whilst your countrymen are fighting and dying in afghanistan and you are sitting in front of your laptop. Keyboard warrior if ever I did see one.
Keyboard warrior? Son I have been in conflicts everywhere from Grenada to Kuwait city and some that are still classified! I have met many an enemy and dispatched them with extreme prejudice! As a matter of fact when this current dust up came about I was almost called back due to a certain skill I posses, but a bad heart stopped them from bringing me back! Keyboard warrior? I would rather be that than a coward!
I'll tell you if you promise not to post that picture you linked to
"A tactical nuclear weapon (or TNW) refers to a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations. This is as opposed to strategic nuclear weapons which are designed to threaten large populations, to damage the enemy's ability to wage war, or for general deterrence. No tactical nuclear weapon has ever been used in an actual conflict. They were a large part of the peak nuclear weapons stockpile levels during the Cold War."
Everyone just take a deep breath... now let it out... feel better? No? Damn.
Hate: It's the crack cocaine of internet forums.
I can't! The Peoples Republic of Austin is a whole other topic.
It's the one place in Texas I could see myself living
Then you know very little of Texas, much nicer places just 20 miles in any direction. If its the politics then it probably is the only place you would want to live, unless you like your freedoms, those progressives certainly don't!
The views of a lot of Texans have NOT been represented in the current thread. I was born and raised in Texas and I was taught a little thing called courtesy and respect. We're not all like Yosemite Sam...
I find it shocking that politicians would think to use a system conceived and designed to indoctrinate children in order to try and indoctrinate children.
He asked what I would do if Texas was the "Little Tehran" that England is becoming! He said he was a Patriot but would not risk prison to save his Country, I am not saying anything about those that had to flee a communist country Jiberish and you know that!
I was trying to be funny in the absence of Sweetiepie.
If you mean, will I attack muslims because they might be extremists........... behaviour like that would be destroying my country more than a few twats waving "death to britain" banners.
Ryan, I've been reading, even if I haven't answered. You are in a difficult situation, thereis not much you can do to help your country. There is no way to stand up and fight against what's happening there. It's slowly happening here too.
Its difficult to fight, if Atexan really knew that much about the military then he would know that the Taliban in Afghanistan are an invisible enemy. Its much the same in the UK. Over 1 million Muslims, a handful of extremists. We have shut down mosques which preach hatred, and it only serves to push it further underground. You could line up 50 muslims against a wall, how do you know which one is extremist? MI5 and MI6 are doing a pretty good job at intercepting planned attacks, they arrest people regularly, and have without a doubt already saved many lives (and indeed, they share intelligience with the US). Atexan is suggesting that I become a vigilante and attack these invisible extremists, whilst I prefer to put my trust in those with the 'license to kill'
gotta run to take my kids to play miniature golf for the last time since, according to right wingers, the sky is going to fall and anarchy will rule after the president...oh it's so scary to say...TALKS to them. ;-)
I'm sure you've heard the slogan, "Don't mess with Texas."
The big surprise is, it wasn't written by Texans .
No disrespect intended to you, Davina girl.
I was born in El Paso myself.
I have what I think is a great idea!
Since the US, expecially border statest like Texas, seem to have such a fabulous system for controlling illegal immigration, perhaps we can share this highly effective system with Ryankett and the Brits.
It's oh, so easy to look at a "race" of people and spot the "rotten apples" in the bunch, isn't it?
If they are carrying signs that say "Death to Texas" you can certainly spot them, thats what Ryan said they were doing in Britain. Should you just ignore those who want to kill you? They haven't gone away yet, and who gives a crap where Don't mess with Texas came from, the car wasn;t invented here but we drive them!
You just do not make any sense whatsoever. Are you saying that you would shoot your way through three lines of your countries policemen, who are acting on orders, to attack people waving banners? Because using guns is the only way you could do it. And that makes you 'patriotic' and I am the 'coward'. Freak.
Thank god he had the balls to go after the repuglicans, saying they never have a solution to any problem.
Kerry never had the balls to do that. All he had to do was put the repug's ideas in plain daylight.
He didn't do that and let bush steal the election once again.
Imagine how different life could've been today if only Kerry had grown a spine when he needed to.
And even if someone is waving a "Death to Texas" placard you do not have the legal right in this country to shoot them.
Much as you might wish this was the wild wild west or the days of the American Revolution, it IS 2009 - as you pointed out below.
People waving "Death to Texas" placards -- or whatever placards they want -- have a guaranteed right to free speech.
If they get out of line, we have paid enforcers in the form of police and national guard to deal with them.
Are you really saying you would go out there and take on an angry mob of protestors single-handedly? In your own country? Hate to tell you, but the only one that would hurt would be YOU. Then again, you might really enjoy the milieu in jail. Lots of people like you.
Its not running headlong into a mob I am talking about, not everything is a Rambo or Chuck Norris movie! I am Talking about extremists that are here to kill us and make no mistake they are here no matter what your Obamagod tells you! Let me worry about what I would do and you hide under the covers and let Government protect you, You do know its people like me that Government calls when they need the bad guys gone don't you? They don't call cowards to do the things that need to be done! Get out more quit relying on what you think you know about the world and actually see it!
You beat me to it!
Thanks Tantrum.... now I have that song in my head...
Its good for getting rid of tyrants and wannabe tyrants! Sorry none of you understand that we don't play chess to settle our disputes, war is an ugly thing but sometimes necessary!
Tex, I hear where you're comming from. But before you can have a war, it's usually proceeded by a revolution. It's hard to imagine having to stand up for something as large as the terrorist are, without a huge number of people behind you. I think Ryan is saying he feels like he cannot stand up alone.
I know exactly what he is saying and I have called him what he is for saying it!
Its good for getting rid of tyrants and wannabe tyrants! Sorry none of you understand that we don't play chess to settle our disputes, war is an ugly thing but sometimes necessary!
I wanted to repost this, as a talking point.:
Update II: Hot Air ran the speech through a word frequency counter and found the following results:
56 iterations of “I”
19 iterations of “school”
10 iterations of “education”
8 iterations of “responsibility”
7 iterations of “country”
5 iterations each of “parents”, “teachers”
3 iterations of “nation”
I am fully supportive of taking this thread back on track, so would be very grateful if you could clarify something.
There is an issue with some people of his use of 'I'.... can you explain why this is an issue?
If he was to use the word 'we' more, as in talking about a united country, and keeping his personal story to a minimum, would this be more acceptable to you?
Personally I feel that he was trying to use his own success story as a motivator, but thats nothing more than many everyday people do. His speech actually sounds pretty patriotic? And leans towards America a lot?
Im not saying that your wrong, and they are your kids not ours, so I suppose I dont really have too much place debating - but just curious at to what your primary concern(s) are?
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