Obama's speech to the children..the text.

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jiberishposted 14 years ago
This speech is going to be very inspiring to the children. It has changed from the orignial, and I for one am very glad.

I know some think that we are out of control, worrying over nothing, blah, blah, blah. Maybe we are scrutinizing him a little more because of his past and current affiliations. These are my concerns, and dam me if you want, but socialism, communism, and all the other isms sneak up on you. His closest advisor, wrote that they should 'nudge' us. Many people are just waking up. Agree with the past administrations or not, America should have woken up years ago.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Some kids just cannot be inspired. Always has been the case, always will be the case - but in this day and age, when so many of them are living in poverty, with unemployed parents, and broken homes, it might give a few of them hope.
  
  In a way, Obama has retained the American (dare I say it, capitalist) tradition of saying that you get what you work for. The American dream. If you want something, and you work hard, you will get it. Doesnt always work out, but you never know if you dont try
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan I would like short comment on this, I'd be interested in hearing your take.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dont really know if I have a take on that to be honest jiberish. I am from a breed of people (i.e. most of Europe) that have adopted capitalist and socialist aspects to our society - largely successfully. To the point where we sit somewhere in the middle, in a bracket which can only be described as 'liberal'. And that is where I sit. America is a little too far away from socialism for my personal ideals, but nowhere near as far away from my ideals as communism. In the UK, most people are 'middle left' or 'middle right'.... this hardcore left and right stuff is pretty underground.
  
  I think that what I am trying to say, is that certain socialist principles can work in favour of economic health and capitalist objectives. Its not really my place to say, I dont know enough about America's internal political systems or what currently works for them. But I do believe that extensive investment into education and health - offering the best that you can for all people - can only work in favour of a countries output. A healthy and educated workforce is a productive one, and that can only attract business to your country at a time when you have (like we have) a stupidly high amount of national debt in comparison with many other developed countries.
  
  I guess jiberish, that I dont know enough about America to have an informed opinion.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't we just stick with the facts for a change?
  
  “The whole message is about personal responsibility and challenging students to take their education very, very seriously,” Mr. Duncan said. The speech text was to be posted on the White House Web site on Monday.
  
  Last week, conservative talk show hosts accused the president of sinister motives, and some parents vowed to keep their children out of school on Tuesday.
  
  “That’s just silly,” Mr. Duncan said. He acknowledged, however, that a poorly-worded message sent to public schools across the nation may have contributed to public misunderstanding.
  
  The Department of Education sent out a list of suggested classroom activities that teachers could use to accompany the speech. One among dozens suggested that teachers could have students “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.”...
  
  The original activity, Mr. Duncan said Sunday, “wasn’t worded quite correctly.”
  
  Among those criticizing plans for the speech was the chairman of the Florida Republican Party, who accused Mr. Obama of seeking to spread what he called “socialist ideology.”
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/07/us/po … amp;st=cse
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one has disputed the facts, thank you for pointing them out.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wrote you a big reply up thread Let me know whether or not I interpreted your concerns correctly, or whether or not my 2pence was completely irrelevant.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan, yes thank you for your reply, it takes courage for someone to say what they mean, and to admit when they are not familiar with something.
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rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

check out some facts here, a decent site used often.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
No not by the pill. And they have a pharmacy at Sam's.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I got Blue Duck, Ralph the socialist and Ryan "I never met a man I couldn't lick" picking on me, what a scary place

I'm sorry I made you shake and piss in your big boy pants Ryan, maybe one day you can visit the Great State of Texas and you and Blue Duck can hug the scary man away! Twat!
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody is picking on you, we are pitying you.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pity away little girl
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do pity you. Thats not something to be proud of, thats something to be ashamed of. You are an embarrassment to the many fantastically intelligient and forward thinking Americans that I have the pleasure of knowing through business, pleasure, university and online.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a damn shame, but I noticed you can't spell intelligent so maybe you are not so much after all.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not? Pot/kettle Try again genius!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I guess your Mum made you get off the computer, kids!
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Sometimes I think the nobamas should allow those of us who like him a break from this craziness. It is not good to crush your opposition, and basically shows we are the calm and placid ones. Logic is on the side of Obama .
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey sweetiePie,..I'm gonna play devils advacate here,..the Obama followers isn't all that peaceful,..just last week a Obama lover bit off the finger of someone who was protesting peacefully,..loud yes,..but peacefully. Anyways Hope ya had a great week-end !!!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was one person only! However, we have seen crowds of Obama opponents loudly picketing over health care reform. McCain also had a violent supporter awhile back, but it is convenient to forget all this. Obama is still the commander and chief of the armed forces until he leaves office, so I just think it would be nice to give the man a bit more respect you know.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you cant salute the American flag,.. You ain't my president.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  By the way he does salute the American flag. I really did not like Bush, but I never talked about him the way some people did. Of course I pride myself on being kind towards all, even if I hate their policies.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Most of those you align with politically said all kinds of things about Bush, that is what is so easily forgotten in your demands of respect for Obama!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mr. Stereotype! Most of the people I know in my day to day life do not actually. We simply did not like Bush's policies. We used to chuckle at the crazy protesters every Friday night on both extremes. They both tried to outdo each other, that was quite funny.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will say this, you do try to be kind and that says a lot about you. I don't even remotely agree with you politically but I will give you that!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never agreed with the extreme protestors that shared some of my political views. I think most people consider the extreme protestors on both sides to be a little nutty. I am a quiet introvert and I am constantly staying out of the crowds. It also helps to prevent getting colds too .
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or the swine flu:)
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really would not be hanging out in crowds myself more than necessary, but that is just me .
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im not going to play nice with someone that goes against everything I believe in.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When did you decide Obama went against everything you believed in? Were you a Bush supporter?
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to say the moment he opened his mouth,..No was'nt a Bush Supporter either, Actually I wish Ron Paul was President. Least he keeps things for real, like God, Country and Family.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was just curious, but I did not get the impression you liked Bush much. Maybe Ron Paul will run again, you never know.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe he will,..however someone even better than him might be running then too.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not too sure about Ron Paul, he talks a good game but it may be just a game
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'd feel safer with him in the game,..
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Respect is earned not given! So far he has not earned my respect and it doesn't look like he has earned Inf Mom's respect, so maybe you should try another tactic!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not trying any tactic. None of these comments are logical, so it phases me not.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is the Golden Rule tex,..you hit it right on the nail.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm afraid they will never understand people like us!
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  your right but thats all good.....Their opinion of me, Is none of my business,..
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its none of mine either but I read it and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
Goodnight ladies!
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Goodnight tex,..Im heading out also,..HOOAH !!!
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AEvansposted 14 years ago
I believe all of our children should be educated and his speech was magnificent!! Our children need to focus and apply themselves there are definitely to many dropping out. I commend Obama on this one
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  Army Infantry Momposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree on motivating the kid's, Really i do,..I just am against the fact he wants kids to pledge to Obama,..even though kids are not allow to pledge to the Alliegence of the flag in school anymore.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My niece and nephew say the pledge every day. Most schools in California do. Maybe you should move if your school does not.
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steffsingsposted 14 years ago
Ok? What's the NEW plan again? Educating the children? Oh, ok. Got it. (disclaimer, the views posted above may or may not be sarcastic ?!?!?! - and do not neccesarily reflect the views of the poster)
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In Broward County florida, the superintendent is making it Mandatory for every child to watch the speech, they will be punished (still checking in what way) if the parents opt out by keeping the kids home. Hummm....Mandatory..?????
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now that the speech has been cleaned up, it will be inspiring to some children, but the parents should have a choice, we pay the teachers' salaries, and as far as I know parents are still in control of what their children should view. Newt, Mrs. Bush and other agree that NOW the speech is acceptable. that's after the worksheets were eliminated.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the parents do have a choice. they can keep their children out of school today. it doesn't have to be an issue. in fact, if the parents want to be in control of their children (now that's a novel idea), don't let them go to school at all. heaven forbid they should be placed in a learning environment...
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In Broward County, it's no longer about the speech, it's about the 'Mandatory' aspect, taking control away from the parents.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  again, keep the kiddies at home today. stay in "control".
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But, but, according to this super, they will be punished for an un-excused absence.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  unless they're in search of a perfect attendance record, it really shouldn't matter. they could use one of their sick days. you know, sort of an extended holiday.
  
  but that would be unfair to the teachers, for they are not allowed to use a day of sick leave before or after a holiday, without fear of financial penalty. so where's the control?
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The issue has changed from the content of the speech to a Mandatory attendence.....No one is disagreeing with the President speaking, but for a school superintendent to force his views on parents, this is a concern.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Umm, what is that novel about it? I think you personally would expect parents to be in control of their children, like not let them screaming in the supermarket, or discharging their water pistol on a passer-by, wouldn't you?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  having expectations only creates disappointment. i only look on in amazement bordering on disbeief when i see how most children today are behaving.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Save the Rod, spoil the child.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so you meant the idea is novel in a sense that more parents should be in control, right?
  
  I actually understood you in the opposite way, that you don't think it was too great of an idea. Probably my ESL then
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  An unexcused absence is just that. And unexcused absence. It takes more than one for a child to get in trouble. And if you are a parent "in control of their child" I don't see that happening. Additionally a child in unable to make up work if they have an unexcused absence (unless they're in Middle School). The point is, keeping your child out of an entire day of school to prevent them from seeing a 15-minute speech is ridiculous.
  
  Notter made a decision. The decision will be followed through in the schools. He'll get crap for it forever. But he doesn't seem to care.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
The latest fan of the president's speech as of 7:08 US EST:

That radical commie bastard Newt Gingrich.
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blue dogposted 14 years ago
wooo hooo!!!
today's the big day for all the right wingers to breathe a huge sigh of relief so that they can get back to things that really mattter.

like glenn beck.

or the economy. or ongoing unemployment. or ongoing aftershocks from the bush years. or two wars that began when???

well, that's the short list anyhow.
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rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago
well, I told myself I'm staying off the political forums today~~ alas, this one has inspired me to write a hub article about how to teach young children values and respect~~~

I feel sorry for the kids whose parents are telling them to close their ears (minds)~~

someday that's going to backfire, mom, and it will be your 'sweet controlled' child who will rebel, against you.

signing off to get some work done~
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
My sister is the most Liberal parent I know. Instead of spanking the tar out of her kids, she just looks at them and says "we, don't do that"....WHAT???? If a kid at 7 or 8 does something really bad, like maybe spit in an adults face, "we don't do that" would soon turn into "go out and find a switch", but I guess that is no longer PC.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's half the reason we live in the world we do . . .
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  steffsingsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh gosh... I was with you for quite awhile until this post. The juvenile justice sytems are JAM PACKED with kids who felt the sting of the 'switch' (or worse) and didn't seem to stop the spittle.
  
  ANYWAY it reminds me of a different speech from many moons ago... "Ask NOT what your country can do for YOU but what You can do for your country" - No one up in arms about that one? (a demand for us to put country first?)
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When you figure out the difference you'll understand what people were concerned about here.
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  steffsingsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Figured it out - measured it, and the Hoopla is STILL found wanting.
  
  ps - Hey... does anyone have a race card in hand? No? "Go Fish"
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Race card has already been played and the game is old very old!
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
I sent my daughter to school with instructions to listen very carefully to what Obama says and report it back to me. (It's also what I tell her with regard to anything the teacher says.)
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A wise policy.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you, The speech is standard, the fact that some super is making it madatory and over riding a parents wish is not.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's the one who should be smacked - since when is it ok for these guys, teachers included, to foist their own political beliefs off on someone else's kid?
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Especially when the Education secretary, who is the super's boss, said it was Not mandatory.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  if you know anything about teaching, to "foist their own political beliefs on someone else's kid" is one of the most absurd comments to appear on hubpages. but don't feel alone. there has been a rash of those lately.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hopefully, you don't have any kids.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  whether i have kids or not is irrelevant to this discussion. for someone to spew that teachers foist their own political beliefs on school children is a pathetic attempt to fan the flames of ignorance.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you could take the derision out of your voice so we may have an adult conversation.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  perhaps you can remove the condescending attitude from your posts so that we can do exactly what it is you suggest.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  condescending, did you say . . . ?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yer nuts. Teachers are human. They have opinions. My kid's 8th grade Honor's English teacher talked glowingly about Obama throughout the election last year. She repeatedly told her kids that he was right for the country and he would be a wonderful president.
  
  She said nothing about McCain.
  
  She was very clear about her political beliefs. Guess what? We had a chuckle about it. We talked about it during dinner. We didn't call the newspaper or picket the principal's office.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Teachers are human, but they never brought this stuff up when I went to school. Everyone knew that it was inappropriate and solely the job of the parents. Besides, the parents would have raised a stink.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  many schools expressly forbid teachers from foisting their political and religious beliefs on the ones they teach. having an informed discussion, allowing the students to form their own opinion is encouraged. at least by the good teachers.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yea and wait til they get to high school , they get to learn all about Communism, Socialism, Capitism and Fundmentalism .
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. And then there are some who do it anyway. I agree with Aya and nicomp, in that discussing everything with your kids is the best plan. But making it mandatory is over the line, no matter what is said, solely because of it's political source.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You couldn't be more wrong.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why is it absurd?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good post Aya.
  
  My God, people... You know, I had this level of awareness in something like 4th or 5th grade. Kids, believe it or not (at least many) know what posturing is, and often, B.S.
  
  You know, the discussion level of politics on this forum sometimes reminds me of the political speeches we gave in 5th grade TAG class! lol
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ..................................
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not all of us were child geniuses.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ridiculous. My bf's kids are not 'geniuses,' , and they'd have your ticket down quick, I'm afraid.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
What alot of huha about nothin

I bet many parents have no idea what other visiting speakers talk about to their little darlings..so at least the President has inadvertedly begun the education
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Many parents make it their business to know. It's called being a responsible parent.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
It has nothing to do with personal political beliefs. He is our president. Everyone's. Not just his, or mine... but yours too. If there hadn't been such a hoopla about his speech, then it would have been up to the teacher whether or not they show the speech, and it would have been done without parental consent, like it has been done in previous years. No big deal. But because of the hoopla, Notter decided to make it mandatory so that his teachers would not be getting yelled at for showing it. If you are a parent, who keeps there child away from an entire day at school because of a 15 minute speech that will be shown by the president... I feel sorry for you and your child.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It has everything to do with it. If more parents kept watch on what their kids are exposed to and then discussed it with them the world would be a better place.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We certainly do here! Matt's kids are often told not to listen to those 'conservative' freakos who want to drag their religionist ideas and often rightist politics into their high school biology and history lessons.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lita, putting the speech aside, do you agree with a principle making it Mandatory to attend????
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i won't wait for lita. it's not mandatory. keep the child out of school today.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please , in Broward county Florida it's mandatory, overiding parents wishes.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am short of time, but I believe Cole had the most well-rounded answer.
  
  If a parent wishes to keep his children out of school, however, for whatever reason on that day, that is his right to do so. I would hope most put the whole thing in perspective. Balanced thinking is probably the best for role modeling for children, . But you would be surprised at how many kids 'learn around' their parents.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As a kid, I found that I discovered my own political beliefs as I educated myself.
  
  I had two very conservative grandparents, and socialist father. My other two granparents consider themselves to be liberal, but have become more and more conservative and slightly right wing as they have aged. I now sit somewhere in the middle, I would perhaps call myself 'liberal'. I find myself agreeing with and disagreeing with policies from all political parties, to the point where the three major British parties look almost identical to me, and I feel completely unrepresented. That said, nobody ever tried to brainwash me (I dont think).
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree CB, boy terribly paranoid some people have become.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not paranoia if they're really after you . . .
  
  I mean your kids.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lemme get this straight. You are worried your own president is after your childrens minds?
  
  My goodness, you have your childrens minds for X hours since they are born and ,the majority of their childhood years,keep in perspective for goodness sake!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't see it, there's nothing anyone can say.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
Eaglekiwi, but we should pay attention to what our kids are taught in school. It doesn't matter whether it's a visiting speaker or not. What our children learn in school really does matter. It also matters that teachers stick to academic subjects rather than trying to indoctrinate the children with values.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Aya, my hat's off to you. It is a real pleasure to meet a responsible parent. They are so very rare.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely ,but it seems so strange to me,that this is the United States President and no hes not God ,but he the leader of their country???
  
  They learn about other countries and their leaders ,then to have the opportunity to hear their own leader and all this fuss is just ridiculous.
  
  Its just so odd to me as a parent and a pre-school teacher.
  
  When political leaders spoke to children (if they did) it was considered a very normal platform, as normal for instance as listening to visiting Politician from another country.
  
  The reality is some kids are going to love it
  Some will be bored by it all, and
  Some will remember they got to hear the President ,thats it!
  
  I also think the values Obama intends promoting are pretty much universal, and nothing to do with Politics?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sadly, some communities (parents) don't emphasize the Stay in School message, so while we'd like to think it's a universal message, it's not.
  
  That's one reason why they need to hear someone else say it. The parents aren't saying it, the teachers and principals might be saying it but it obviously isn't sinking in.
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  qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Aya:
  I read every word of his speech to kids. It is a wonderful work. I couldn't find one thing to complain about. In fact I'd praise his speech writers for creating an inspiring piece.
  Qwark
  PS I answered your reply on "The Reward."
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Umm they aren't showing 15 minutes of porn. It really isn't that serious.

Go ahead discuss how the president wants them to stay in school and contribute to their community. Have a great debrief after school today. Sounds good to me. Say "I watch the speech today, what do you think?" I agree with you on the discussion part. But why prevent your child from seeing a "Back to School" speech by their president. Pushing your political beliefs on someone are we?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What kind of parents are we if we can't deconstruct a 10 minute speech with our kids?
  
  Yikes.
  
  Almost every kid that drops out ends up being supported by the rest of us. If BHO can motivate a few of them to stay in school and graduate, yay for him.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The point is that it's mandatory. You know, kinda like how Mao made certain broadcasts mandatory, even though most were capable of deconstructing them.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Making it mandatory makes sense. If I were a parent and thought about the decision, hmm keep my kid home from an entire day of school because of a 15 minute speech by his/her president, or let them see the speech and discuss it with them later...
The superintendent is covering his teachers, rather than have them make the decision he made it for them to keep them from getting attacks by parents on both sides. It is his job to look out for his teachers.
It is also his job to look out for the students. So parents in Broward county shouldn't be able to keep them home. He is worried about attendance, missing a lot of students in classrooms the day after a long weekend.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you joking? Who, if anyone, should teach kids about politics? The kids parents or someone else?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I took that part out. I realized it was a bit harsh and didn't apply to all. I learned about government from my parents and school. But politics (and political affiliation) I decided for myself.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for clarifying. Actually, I agree with you that it seems silly to keep a kid out of school for a 15 minute speech. But making it mandatory is stepping over the line.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Nicomp I understand exactly what yer saying.
Of course teachers influence kids,and for the main part they are a very good influence.

This post reminds me of the uproar of gay teachers and how they didnt want their children influenced??...umm...
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Well I have to go to school now! I'm sure the speech will be playing in the caf. I'll watch it and then debrief with mommy and daddy. I hope no one kept their kids home today. And if you did, I hope they're driving you crazy. Have a great day everyone.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. Good one!
  
  "OK, Mommy, you made me stay home... now take me to the mall!"
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
Actually, the joke is that everyone is in an uproar about this silliness, when the rate of kids finishing high school is declining.

Hmmm.
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laringoposted 14 years ago
As a black person I take offense to the criticism for the president doing a good thing to talk to the children of this country about trying to be the best that they can be. It is not a political agenda for goodness sake, but one that is intended to inspire no matter what obstacles you face. I heard a woman on TV this morning, and she was a parent of a school aged child and what she basically said against letting her child participate was that and I paraphrase" there's a lot we don't know about this man". What does hell does she mean? He was elected and is the President of the United States. My gut feeling is a factor in all of this is race and I don't believe in the race card crap, but it is what it is.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the intelligent post. They are surprisingly rare here these days...
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Laringo, you are out of line bringing in the Race card when you don't have anything constructive to say.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I found it relative, the part about 'theres a lot we dont know about this man' I mean...
  
  Only one way to find out right
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did too.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I found it extremely relevant. And the comments around it out of line.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  REBEKAH...Pleae keep up, to save you time from scrolling back, I reposted some comments.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Umm, calling this extremely racist post intelligent? You could do better, Lita...
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unbelievable, Misha.
  
  Let's reprint Laringo's post.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  For what Lita? It has been re-printed a dozen times here already.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To make a point that needs desperately to be made amongst this group.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please explain what part of that post was racist? It was perhaps incitement to an irrelevant debate, but I have clearly failed to recognise the black supremacy statements?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course it wasn't. As usual, we have people using terms incorrectly because they don't understand them. And these same people are protesting a speech intended to raise the education level of our populace. Hmmmmmmm
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am an avowed teamist. I hate the Colts.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which is fine, but you should pick one team that you don't hate. ( I bet it's the Lions or Raiders)
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Lions still have a team?
  
  I have abandoned my Bengals and I am now officially a Steelers fan. Deal with it.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Easy enough. I like the Steelers. I have an autographed picture from Chris Gardocki taken at SB XL.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Common ground! yay! Sports brings people together.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! to bash each other's brains in and break some bones.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please pay close attention to the second meaning.
  
  Now, Laringo clearly displayed prejudice assuming that white people who disapproved of the draft of president's message did this based on his race.
  
  Do I need to post a definition of prejudice?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you don't need to post that definition, but you may want to read the very definition of racism you posted; you don't seem to understand it. She didn't mention the race of the person she was referring to; which one of you made an assumption there? Race was relevant to the point in that the person quoted was parroting the venom spewed by the "Birthers".
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Colt: wow, you just opened up a can of worms.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Has anybody see the "draft" of Obama's speech that they are objecting to? I would like to read it.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you seriously think she was talking about black people, you need to see a doctor, really
  
  Oh, and what is the "venom spewed by Birthers?" Some kind of TV show? Sorry, you lost me here.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What has being black to do with it?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does your being a black person have to do with it?
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  Apart from that bit.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As a white person I take offense that whenever I disagree with someone of a different origin, I'm called a racist!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't believe in the "race card crap" Then why did you play it?
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you nailed the real issue here ~~~ sadly.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Upon what evidence do you base that 'thought?'
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  Its the only issue without a defense, its not an intelligent issue just an easy one!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder if you're ready for a black president.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unbelievable. Remember, folks. You only rule on this forum.
  
  I stand with her, as do most reasonable people.
  
  Posture all you want here. Some of us actually are doing the work. Bye bye..
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder why that is . . .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What makes you think that you (of all people) are qualified to determine where "most reasonable people" stand?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh goody. She promised to leave again.
  
  For those of you keeping score... LS inevitably condescends, then claims to leave the forum. Unfortunately she continues to lurk and drag down the level of dialog. Oh well!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nicomp- I would very much appreciate it if you would refrain from personal remarks as far as my schedule, my personal life, or my choice to be involved in this forum or not. NONE of these things concern you. And the last few days, these kind of remarks have bordered on the ridiculous. I almost cringe when I log back on and check the threads, no lie.
  
  You bring down the dialog with these sorts of spooky remarks. That's all I'm going to say. Really. Appreciate it, .
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And how about you? Are you ready?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for asking; yes.
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
It's tough to keep this president in line, as it is getting touch to keep our freedoms. Freedoms to choose, freedom of speech, freedom to be able to make our own decisions. Just take a look at the new legislation against conservative media. TAKE A Look at the czars and things we have yet to find out. Maybe we should all just hide our head in the sand.
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What needs to be kept in line is the hatred that is being spread by many on this president...Not in my entire life and I will be 60 years old next year, have I ever witnessed or heard the type of hatred against the President of the United States. Have you ever heard of any other president appearing at a speech or rally and people carrying their loaded guns even if it is legal in those places? I just hate this crap. What the hell is going to be in history books for future generations to learn about there country? I guess by that time we won't be the most powerful country on the planet, but rather the laughing stocks of the world. For the most part there are good people in this country but it only takes a few to continually cast hate and ridicule, instead of pride in the country that they live. Politics and hate are in my opinion have become two dangerous weapons.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. The 'opinions' here on this forum are becoming unbelievable.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should take a peek at what's in or not in the school books these days.
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ReuVeraposted 14 years ago
You, all of you, are very lucky that you can (may) discuss issues like this, expressing different opinion; your own opinions. For now many people even don't realize how lucky they are to be able to do it at all.
You know, I grew up in a socialistic country, I am so used to those Mandatory meetings, lectures, etc. Not only attendance to the meetings was Mandatory, but opinions were Mandatory too. You were clearly implemented to what you MAY say or what you may NOT. My family was always in opposition, in silent opposition...... It means that I was not kept out of those meetings (I would be in trouble if I didn't attend); I was listening to all that crap (but my brain was deaf to it). It did not impact me. I survived.

The country of my birth did not survive....

Also, my opinion- the President should bother about the country well-being; Doctors should treat the sick; Teachers should teach Academics to students; and leave political views to the family matter.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It would be nice if they actually did.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ReuVera, I come from the same background. I say, let them keep their heads in the sand!
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There was even more hate spewed about Bush. Politicians are in the line of fire and if they can't take it they shouldn't run for office. No one is ever going to agree with everything any politician does. And this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with the policies being put forward.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. It's a shame we have to keep saying this, but there it is.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's true that there was a lot of hate spewed about Bush but not early in his administration. The hate came only after it became apparent what a lousy job he was doing and how many serious mistakes he was making.
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Bush_Screws_the_Country
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whaa? I thought plugging one's hubs was against company policy...
  
  Oh, yeah. I get it.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Get your son to work here and anything's possible. . .
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I got no problem with that. Capitalism rocks.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nepotism - not capitalism.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His company, his rules. No problem.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You work here too . . .?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I understand capitalism.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, that makes it ok then. Ok for some, but not for others . . . you're more liberal than I thought.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never said it had to be OK for you. Make a stink if you like, but don't be surprised if you find yourself banned. If you wanna play in the HubPages sandbox, be prepared to dig up a little cat poop now and then.
  
  You callin' me a liberal? Them's fightin' words...
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just did dig up some cat poop - what are you talking about? If they ban me for pointing out that they don't follow their own rules, well, not much I can do about that, is there?
  
  Sorry about calling you a liberal - I only did it because you sounded like one . . .
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Liberal what? I am a capitalist and I understand that in a capitalist system the business owner gets to make the rules. That's not Liberal in any way. I own a business and I revel in the privilege to make the rules. I would never begrudge that privilege to anyone else.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so there's one set of rules for you and another set for others. . . sounds like congress . . .
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  RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which rule wasn't followed?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He posted a link to his own hub.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you ask to see his ID first lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, just his political party affiliation.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhh..surely not ,say it isnt so
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh that wasnt a very responsible thing to say ,now was it
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks mom . . .
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  RooBeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it's against the rules to start a thread w/ the sole purpose of promoting one's own hub. It is perfectly fine for anyone to add a link of relevance to an active thread.
  
  There is a trend afoot of trying very hard to find something to be offended about. Paranoia comes to mind.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am offended by paranoia.
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laringoposted 14 years ago
I have a right to my opinion and please don't turn the tables on me and call me a racist if that is the intent. It's like I said ,"It is what is is"...and I know well from growing up in this country even before the civil rights era began. If only my parents were alive today they would be so proud but yet somewhat disappointed.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How does your growing up before the Civil Rights era make opposition to the president racist? Maybe the issue you need to look at is with yourself and your assumptions.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Racism is like the wind--you can't always see it but you can feel it. I'm sure little butt sniffers don't understand that.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you sometimes see the wind Ralph? You are an amazing man
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. Amen to that.
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How does it not? I have a right to my opinion just like you do, so don't hate on me for that! End of line.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I have a right to my opinion too. My opinion was and still is - your comment was extremely racist.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Example: If a black person were to break into my home and I shoot him, I would be a racist, if it's a white person I would be justified. Can the race card be kept out of any conversation?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And then they would sue the gun manufacturer!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we can keep it out if we agree that it's not important. If anything, Americans have shown their true selves by voting a black man into office. No, the problem, obviously, still exists. But how about we look at the bright side of Obama's election in regards to race, whether we agree with his policies or not.
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so. You just played the race card. If you are protecting your home from an intruder;the law is not what color the person is on how you are labeled or charged. That's ridiculous, and just goes to show that we still have a long way to go in this country.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No she didn't, she just made an example in response to some of the posts here. It seems that you are both in agreement - it's not the color of the person.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  laringo wrote:
  As a black person I take offense to the criticism for the president doing a good thing to talk to the children of this country about trying to be the best that they can be. It is not a political agenda for goodness sake, but one that is intended to inspire no matter what obstacles you face. I heard a woman on TV this morning, and she was a parent of a school aged child and what she basically said against letting her child participate was that and I paraphrase" there's a lot we don't know about this man". What does hell does she mean? He was elected and is the President of the United States. My gut feeling is a factor in all of this is race and I don't believe in the race card crap, but it is what it is.
  
  JB:I don't play cards!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And if you are fulfilling your responsibility as a citizen to keep arrogant and overreaching politicians in check the color of those politicians shouldn't determine how you are labeled or charged, right?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wont call you a racist, I will call you misguided,uninformed,and typical of the left! But never racist!
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Well, isn't that convenient? Unfortunately, someone on this thread is breaking wind.

There's the insult, now you have to go do your laundry or something? (so hard to tell one empty-headed liberal from the next)
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Two people together can both feel the wind. One doesn't depend on the other to decide if it's windy.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you're not the lead dog, your view never changes. Right doggie?
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nicompposted 14 years ago
Listening to BHO's school speech, I notice that he encourages students to take responsibility for themselves. Sounds good.

However, his political platform includes socialized medicine, bailouts for people who couldn't pay their mortgages, extended unemployment benefits, and awarding the profitable segments of bankrupt companies to labor unions.

There's a little discrepancy here!
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  did the speech happen already? I wanted to see it, but I fear I may have missed it as it wasnt publicized at all around here. The only reason I knew it was even happening is from hubpages..
  all I have for TV is CBS.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was just as inpiring as the planned text.
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  finally got it to load....need some time to think about it all...thanks
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Black and White?
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
I would like to recomment reading James Watkins Hub, a real intellectual eye opener.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Partition-America
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've read it - great hub!
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lindagoffiganposted 14 years ago
Harmless speech. Made me think about completing graduate school.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are obviously one of those Nazi Communists the Republicans are protecting us from.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Obama: "Be self reliant! Except for health care. Turn that over to me."
  
  Obama: "Be self reliant! Except for employment. Wait for me to stimulate you into a government-sponsored job."
  
  Obama: "Be self reliant! Except for your mortgage. If you can't pay it, just walk away and I'll bail you out."
  
  Obama: "Be self reliant! Except for job security. Join a labor union and I'll give you 1/2 of General Motors."
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AWWW s#*t..really? I should have voted for Obama...that mortage is a b***h. Especially since my husband has been payin' his sister's, and her boyfriend's pay checks for the past 8 months!!!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your husband need to kick back and wait for a check. Be self-reliant, but not too self-reliant.
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what check?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The one Nicomp sent him last week
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, yeah.... HA HA!!! anyway...Misha,you around some? Need to email ya....if you got a minute.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, go ahead
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unemployment check, WIC check, welfare check, Social Security check, free school lunch check, health insurance check, HUD check, bailout check, ADHD check, prescription check, checkcheckcheckcheck...
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I get none of these. What are you talking about? My husband works about 60 hours a week, and pays taxes. Out of these taxes,(among other hard working American's pay checks) comes all of the shit your talking about. Sure, I dont get paid for the "work" I do. But I never once asked for, nor recieved anything for it. Seriously, you know nothing about me, and really shouldn't assume so much. Again, WHAT CHECK!!????
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think we're on the same side of the fence. I was being facetious.
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oooops...I do that sometimes. Thats what happens when I wear shoes. I feel all important and stuff...
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Same here ,I wore my hair up today, and suddenly felt like spending money
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  rednckwmnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stop it.. no room for humor here..its the politics forum...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Direct quotes?
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
Ron, you have a good point there.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Birthers
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Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago
All this dun be doin - be persuadin me Americans be dummer than ah thunk.............

An ah thunk a hole lot..............
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go dunk your "Chips" in mayo
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
or Grassley
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
or McConnel
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
or Limbaugh
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Mr Deeds I do not think this is the Fact room ..sshh lol
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
Don't you guys get it? Those against Obama will now publish mistruths or misunderstandings about what is in a speech, they will then scream and shout, then when the speech does not contain any of that they will claim that it was changed because they yelled and screamed about it...
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank Heaven we have you Liberals to protect us from ourselves.
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Here's the deal, its not what was in his speech it is the perception of Obama from those on the right. We perceive him as a Socialist and anything he may want to say to kids will be clouded in that controversy! I did not care if he addressed children I did not think he would spout any Socialistic ideas, but some did! So Ralph there is no proof that he was going to praise Karl Marx or Hugo Chavez and you may want to quit looking.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tell that to Madame X and Gibberish.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just did!
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ReuVeraposted 14 years ago
There's a Russian saying "When we were burnt by hot, we blow on cold"
Also, "Turn the alarm on before it's too late"

Maybe this is what's happening now.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't think that Ralph speaks for all of us. Some of us actually read history and see how people say one thing and routinely do another. Personally, I'm glad all of you expatriates are here. If there is one thing you have that we do not is experience in the sorts of things collectivists do to cement their power.
  
  For all the derision the collectivists heap on the tea parties, town halls and other expressions of discontent; I'd say the alarm is going off for more and more people. Perhaps together we can warn enough people before it's too late.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph doesn't speak for anyone but himself, although I'm sure he'd like to speak for us all. The expatriates here are an invaluable voice in that they've lived through all this and can see it for what it is.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself,and I agree that the immigrants "are an invaluable voice" although they sometimes appear to me to bring unrealistic fears of our government based on their previous experience. I don't know what the source of these fears on the part of native Americans is. I guess there is no one single source--NRA, Evangelical church influence, industry propaganda, inadequacies in the MSM and so forth.
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
Is Obama still planning to make children eleven and up "volunteer" for specific activities?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a joke?
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
I may be misinformed, but I was told that was part of his platform.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Just out of (morbid) curiosity, would anyone care to speculate how McCain/Palin would be handling the current issues with economy? Would they be doing things differently or better?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They'd be doing the same sorts of things, but not to the extreme that Obama is. It would take longer for the economy to collapse, but collapse it will. I don't understand why people don't understand the very simple rule that you cannot spend your way to prosperity. Individuals can't do it, neither can nations. If you look at anywhere it's been done, you see the economy just go away.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. You can't vote yourself other people's money and expect to prosper.
  
  And the spending is not temporary. The money's gone and the inflation's coming.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the most of the money is gone although the Banksters have repaid some of the Tarp money, and we may get more as the recovery proceeds. The money that is "gone" is much less than would have been lost forever to the people of this country had we been allowed to descend into a deeper and longer recession. Economists quibble over the details, but most agree that the steps taken by the Fed and Treasury were necessary.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Inflation will hit us when unemployment really starts to recover. Right now we're in the throes of deflation. As soon as that's done, here comes hyperinflation.
  
  Ralph, if you can't see why people fear encroaching government power, you haven't been paying attention to history since the beginning of the 20th century. There's a reason the intellectuals of the Progressive movement wanted to eliminate the separation of powers in the Constitution.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not aware of any proposals to "eliminate the separation of powers in the Constitution." Certainly there are no current proposals to do so. Yes, we are currently in the throes of deflation, and Bernanke has assured Congress that when the time comes he will take the required steps to prevent a resurgence of inflation. Your use of the term "hyperinflation" is a bit hyperbolic in my opinion. That happened in Weimar Germany, Chile, Argentina and several other countries, and we came close to it here during the Carter administration. In my opinion, "hyperinflation" is not what we should be worrying about now. However, it is not a possibility which should be ignored, either.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're not aware of the Czars that have somehow managed to bypass congressional approval? Van Jones had responsibility for $6 billion. How is that possible unless the separation of powers have been eliminated. And screw any "proposals" to do so - Obama just went and did it without a peep of objection from congress or the judiciary.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Since you show that you can point out examples of hyperinflation, perhaps you can tell us the mechanism behind the hyperinflation.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I pretty much agree to LDT. I am not sure more or less, but I am sure along the same lines...
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I'll go buy a Mercedes now . . . I want to get out of debt
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Believe it or not, i think you have good chances to get away with it. I am afraid it is going to be so bad, that the bank that loans you money will go belly up, and no other bank will be willing to pick up their business, cause most of banks will do the same maneuver...
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On a second thought, the state is likely to pick it up, but then simple bribing can solve your problem
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can sell debt as a seperate entity. So if a bank folded, the administrators could sell that debt as an asset to pay creditors. The purchaser of that debt has no risk whatsoever apart from their initial investment (the purchase price). Debt is bought and sold all the time. Unfortunately, this same principle obviously does not relate to savings..... so, Madame X, I would suggest spending your savings on new shoes instead
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but it wouldn't reduce my debt as much . . .
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sir, debt is sold based on the likelihood that it will be repaid. A purchaser of debt assumes the risk of non-payment, whatever that might be. A defaulted mortgage might be sold for pennies on the dollar because the deadbeat borrower has no intention of making payments.
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laringoposted 14 years ago
The purpose of the forums I thought was to voice your opinion on a particular topic. Why does it always have to end up as personal attacks on fellow Hubbers. I've been called a racist( ha,ha) but never called anyone something other then their name perhaps because I don't know anyone here personally.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, you don't know any of us personally but that didn't stop you from playing the trusty ol race card! If you want someones race left out of the topic you shouldn't bring it up.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  laringo ,nobody knows anyone , they think they do is all ,I welcome your opinion too
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  EK - you have no idea how well I know A Texan, jiberish, nicomp or anyone else, or how well they know me. And yes Iaringo, your opinions are welcome, and through them I hope to know you better.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seems like her opinion is the same as the rest of the libs
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Leaping to conclusions is one of their favorite pass times.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Virtual 'knowing' is not acceptable
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just to make sure you understand: YOU were not call a racist, yet your post was.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Her post was called racist by YOU, speak for yourself, I did not see anything racist about her post.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really did not imply it was you. Guess my ESL again
  
  BTW, I think I proved that my opinion on the post at least did not contradict English dictionary.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To yourself, yes. But I guess that's what counts.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did not see you disproving me. did I miss anything?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The fact that your "proof" rests on a false assumption? Yeah, I guess you missed that.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I addressed your concern. Did you see a doctor since?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I called to make an appointment for you. Neurological abnormalities can be corrected now, even those that cause reading difficulties. Seeing things in posts that don't exist is a symptom you shouldn't ignore.
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Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago
Weiner's case for universal Medicare

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archi … dicare.php
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
My favorite pastime is Scrabble Jumping to conclusions... not on my list. I'm sure EK meant to insinuate, how well do you know someone you've never met? As soon as one get defensive here they claim, "you don't know me". I think that claim is fair for all of us. The point is that while some of us may be "virtual friends" or have some things in common. Most of us don't know each other.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Thank you Ron, i appreciate your care. Any cupcake to sweeten the deal?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Here comes your favorite.....................
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

OMG!! MICHELLE'S BEEN BAKING! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would taste good with Hilary's chocolate chip cookies and federally subsidized milk.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or Sarah's fresh Moose offal
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