Will there be a tipping point? Lying on a daily basis is ok? campaign corruption is ok? Pursuit of own interest above the citizens is ok? What if Cohen proves colllustion with Russia through his Prague visit? What if there is irrefutable evidence to support these claims.
All is ok as long as Trump meets my needs which are? a job? stop immigration? How does he meet your requirements as president?
We're beyond the tipping point with Trump diane.
Yet Jake everything is going so well... He certainly handled the Syria crisis well. Much better than Obama did. And he did it by listening to our top military advisers, and are top two allies. He is doing a wonderful job as president. Syria is just one example. He may just solve the NK crisis. Our last three presidents just did not seem to have what it took, and NK now can hit our shores with nukes. I have faith I will be right back here at Hub once again pointing out the positive in regards to our president solving another huge crisis, the NK Nuclear problem.. So odd some just never will see the benefits of having a president that does a great job. Even though they can enjoy them... He certainly is not pretty, he certainly kills the English language, and he certainly is doing the job he was hired to do... LOL
I can no longer predict what people will finally find to be unacceptable. Minimum standards of character and conduct all went out the window with Trump.
Anybody remember .........................Children gather round , Once a long time ago all Americans sat around the teepees and log cabins and dreamed of the day when we would have the chance to elect someone "outside " of establishment elected leaders . Remember when we ALL believed that there was no hope that we would ever be lead by any other than a Kennedy , a Goldwater , a Nixon , a Gore or even a Bush ? We probably [then ] would have been happy with either party or an independent candidate that offered an alternative to business as usual deadlock , gridlock and apathy .
You've all simply bought into the obstruction game of the two party system !
Horse, I don't think people sitting around teepees were thinking like that.
No, the comedian Brother Dave Gardner (1960s) said they were all sitting around beating on rocks saying "we ain't never gonna have no radio."
lol! Bruce Gardener, I don't know. Have you heard of Moms Mabley?
I grant you, it's refreshing to watch from afar the antics of a presidebt who does'nt claim to be a "born again."
Never thought I would see the day. God must be squirming up there, about to be deposed as obsolete maybe.
If he leaves before his four years are up, it will be the result of impeachment or resignation in response to Mueller's findings -- IF Mueller finds wrongdoing.
If he makes it through four years and we have a severe recession, his weakest supporters will give up on him and he will be voted out of office.
If Russia and the Libertarian billionaires buy another election for him, he will stay in office for a second term.
OMG Do you see the first two words of each of your sentences? If he. Do you ever actually look at the facts of what the President has accomplished? This is so sad, a bunch of adults that sit around and pray for "if comes"... No really. What if he solves NK? What if he helps bring down the death rate that is occurring with our citizens using Opioids? What if our welfare rolls go down even more, because they are already substantially down? What if more of our citizens can purchase homes, oh that's happening too... What if he can get better trade deals, that's also apparent in some cases. What if you were wrong about this mans motives? What if he wanted to give back as he has claimed? And finally what if there is no there, there in the Mueller investigation? Will any of you apologize for your ill thoughts? Will any of you acknowledge that you were wrong? Because so far Trump has proven very wrong.
Diane, Just curious, did you find how president Trump handled the Syrian crisis that occurred last week suitable? He took great care to listen to not only his top military advisers, but pulled together our top two allies to form his decision. Do you feel this decision will add weight to his tipping point or will the scale tip in his favor?
Diane, I am curious, what do you think will be the tipping point?
I don't know but I am captivateed!
Some say the Michael Cohen revelations will be it. They expect Cohen to roll over on Trump. I'm wondering if he will implicate Hannity in some type of cover up.
Mueller's operation is so brilliant. It is possible that he has most of everything he needs. I think he is making sure there are no holes in his case. He has a team of the most brilliant legal minds ever. Trump is not going to be able to match the legal wit. I think Alan Dershowitz wants to help as much as he can. He may feel a little oily since the Sean Hannity revelation.
A client must tell the truth to his attorney. That is the only way the client has a chance.
I agree that Mueller is brilliant and has assembled a highly skilled and honorable team of investigators. I marvel at the absence of leaks. It is truly impressive that an investigation subject to so much non-stop scrutiny has remained leak-free.
I wonder if the tipping point will simply occur when the Mueller report is released? Until then, we won't know details and truth of what happened with Russia and so much else.
How about this data point -
Food stamp recipients have gone down by half a million people.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … gle-month/
That means they are doing better economically and have rose above the poverty level.
That is real change and has little to do with the day to day bickering between the left and the right...
Don’t we want more people to get off the public dole?
Isn’t that what MAGA is all about?
When Clinton was President, the famous quote by one of his advisors was “it’s the economy stupid...”
I think it was James Carville.
The economy is roaring back...because of Trump, his reduced regulations, and his tax reform...
Thank you for making your points. How are you?
1. Jeff Sesions - firing of Rosenstein
2. Cohen - possibility of rooming with Sugar Daddy
3. DNC - Threat of GOP foiling Mueller investigation
Comey - If IG determines that his memos were classified
Giuliani - If IG makes a determination on him about FBI leaks during the campaign. He always predicted a day ahead of wikileaks or re-opening of investigation of HRC
Trump - If they determine he is illiterate because of misspellings, lack of understanding of homonyms/antonyms/synonyms. Failure to proofread.
The left in America is all of a sudden " able to leap tall buildings with a single bound " when it comes to holding Trump to the standards that were all but totally ignored standards in Hillary's case .
Wow , what brilliance new levels in hypocrisy !
Horse, why not just say, "There is no tipping point because he hasn't done anything wrong nor will he in the future."!
HRC is not president and will never be president. She got a good grilling before and while she ran for president.
Just stay focused Horse!
Well said. One thing all of this hysteria has made very clear to me, and I find it hard to except. Many American's have no commons sense, as well as little ability in regard to thought process. Many seem able to believe the obscure, just because they want to.
Do you think 19 indictments SO FAR is just a lot of hysteria?
I see a lot more hysteria on the part of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh than I do from Robert Mueller. In fact, I can't of the last time Republican Robert Mueller ranted in front of a TV camera or radio microphone.
But , 19 indictments of who for what ? Trump -for his Russia collusion ?
This is where Sessions has to jump back into the bosses big boy pants and say enough Mueller , enough , go fishing on your day off from work not while working !
Michael Cohen's mystery third client is Sean Hannity
Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen also represents Fox News host Sean Hannity, Cohen's attorneys said Monday afternoon.
Cohen's lawyers had publicly identified Trump and Broidy as clients, but only revealed Hannity's name after the judge ordered them to.
13 were Russian's? I will not debate indictments. I will say not one of the remaining three have led Mueller to charge Trump. In fact twist he announced Trump at this point is not being investigate for obstruction. Please read this NYT article to clarify your opinion on who was indited. Why not stick with facts instead of conspiracy? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/p … rence.html
Yes, 13 Russians have been indicted for helping Trump get elected. And another 6 traitors on Trump's own staff as well with more on the way.
No, Mueller did not say he is not investigating Trump for obstruction. He said he is not investigating him for it at this time.
I suggest you stick with the facts yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … 53b52c324f Obstruction is a criminal offence.
So many confused obstructionist's , like errant children with a strict parent .
When I hear all the criticism of President Trump from Hillary supporters, all I can say is the term HYPOCRISY is an unknown concept on the left. All I ever hear is "What if?" I say "What If" the Obama administration was subjected to the same level of attacks and scrutiny as the Trump administration, I wonder what would have happened? What if he was held accountable for his many scandals, Hillary was held to the same standards of obeying the law as everyone else...what if? Yeah, can't take the hypocritical left serious on any issue that requires honesty.
lol, in what crazy, right wing lunatic alternate universe did President Obama, a top 5 leader in American history compare with Spanky Trump, porn actress 'JOHN', who is headed straight for prison along with many of his grifter children?
Never mind, don't answer that, this discussion is about Trump's crumbling white house and ego.
JE your detachment from reality and lack of comprehension of facts is duly noted. Yes, Obama had several scandals. The limited ability to comprehend reality and facts on the left does not mean they didn't happen. It just means the intellectual and honesty limitations on the left makes it difficult for the left to see and comprehend them. Here are just a few mentioned in the liberal Boston Globe.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/201 … story.html
Besides , When a president has the news media" in his pocket " he can hide all of the objections and obstructionsand thus go on to rule the world .
- IRS , Lois Lerner
- Fast and Furious
- Race riots ignition
- Iran cash
- DOJ corruption ,politicizing
- FBI corruption , politicizing
- The Syria mess
- Arab Spring mess
Talk about a double standard news media .
That IS IT EXACTLY , If Obama were held to the same standards and criticism as is Trump , Pres. Obama wouldn't have lasted six months in office before impeachment , with the exception of Maxine Waters anyway .
I can't wait to vote for Trump/Pence in 2020. I'd never imagined I'd see a US President who literally tries to keep his campaign promises, cares about the US economy regarding all citizens, and would be determined to improve infrastructure while defending the nation's border.
So far we've had nothing but astounding success. I expect more success leading up to re-election in 2020. Following that, I hope Mike Pence will become POTUS for 8 years.
That's really no surprise Wesman, he still has roughly 30% support even after his desperate attempts to sabotage your healthcare and replace it with junk 'Trump University' type garbage policies which fail to cover all illnesses, an evil attempt to appease billionaires which he has failed miserably at so far thank God, failed to implement a legislative $15 minimum wage pay raise for American workers while giving trillions of our money away in the form of his corporate welfare tax cut scam to Wall Street execs who are raking in record incomes at your expense, caused a nuclear crisis with N. Korea while sabotaging NATO and coddling his master Vladimir Putin, crashed President Obama's roaring stock market with his insane trade war which will crush whats left of his own lost gullible voters, crashed 401ks, signed abominable exec orders which make it easier for mining companies to dump mercury and other poisons into our water supply and insanely rescinded EPA guidelines to allow more toxic pollution to spew from our vehicles, obstructs justice, abuses power, conspired with Russian operatives, violates the constitution daily and that's just a partial list of his atrocities not to mention his serial lies.
The overwhelming majority of human beings know a pathetic, mentally ill charlatan when they see one, and Spanky Trump is that times 1000,
Recent POLL: Who do you believe?
JE, nice job in not citing the poll. I suppose you wouldn't want anyone to look at it...unless you just made it up. That is common with those on the left suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.
ABC News/Washington Post
mike, this is a discussion about Spanky Trump, so a discussion about the many STDs of Donny might be a bit more appropriate, not some fictional TDS.
"The gap reflects how much Americans believe one man more than the other. The ABC/Washington Post poll taken this past week has Comey beating Trump on this score by a 48% to 32% margin. Again though, that 16-point Comey advantage is pretty much the same as the 20-point Comey edge found in a June 2017 Quinnipiac poll on who Americans trusted more."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/politics … index.html
Looks like Comey's got some mighty big hands there compared to Donny's sawed off little stubbs:
JE your inability to engage in an intelligent discussion is obvious. Your lack of maturity when it comes to discussing an issue is noted. Here's from the poll that you cited "This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone April 8-11, 2018, among a random national sample of 1,002 adults, including landline and cell phone respondents. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points." in a country with over 300 million people asking 1,000 people a question over the phone really means nothing. This is about as valid as the polling that had Hilary winning the 2016 election in a landslide.
So you complain that I didn't cite the source for the fact that the latest poll reveals Comey at 48% and Spanky Trump at 32% believe-ability, both I and PrettyPanther post the source which proves what I had previously posted, and now you have a complaint about the poll? And I'm the person incapable of intelligent discussion?
How would you define 'intelligent discussion', do I need to post infowarz or fox fake channel polls?
And by the way, even though it's way off topic for you to mention and I'm just responding to set the record straight, Hillary did win the popular vote by roughly 3 million votes which could be considered a landslide over Spanky.
Most real Christians who actually voted for him reached the 'trump tipping point' after Spanky endorsed an alleged pedophile, found out his 'lawyer' paid off a porn star, and reportedly called countries of God's good Earth s-holes, but these unthinkable abominations apparently didn't stop this charlatan named Jerry Falwell Junior from continuing to hold hands with the devil:
"Most real Christians" I can honestly say one more thing you can't grasp and that is a REAL Christian. If you want a poll, I'll give you a poll. President Trump's approval rating is at 51 percent. Over half the country believes he is doing a good job as president. I'm sure among those 51 percent are some very real Christians but I don't think you'd know it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ating.html
That's 51 people in the United States approve of Spanky, not 51%. If you honestly think 51% of the country thinks he's doing a good job I've got some pre-printed left over 'trump university' diplomas to sell ya.
Spanky just got spanked in PA by 20% when his candidate LOST the special election in a ruby red district.
As always with liberals. Facts, truth and reality have no effect on your thinking. It's make you humorous, but nobody to take serious.
"that I had previously posted, and now you have a complaint about the poll? And I'm the person incapable of intelligent discussion?"
Yeah, let your response sink in for a minute and focus on the meaning of the word hypocrisy.
Oh, and the PA election wasn't 20 percent. By the next morning after the election it was too close to call. Lamb won by having just a few hundred more votes. If you knew what you were talking about, it might be more interesting than laughable.
Can someone be opposed to Trump and not be a liberal? Or is anyone opposed to Trump automatically a liberal?
The creepy conservative lost a close race in a district that Spanky won by 20%, that's called a 20% swing. Just the facts.
So, where is your evidence supporting the contrary?
'...sabotage your healthcare...' I don't have healthcare, and I don't presently need healthcare.
So from the start you assume things about persons whom you do not know. That's a grand entrance, and grand ignorance; the rest of your commentary stays in line with the opening stupidity.
Under any normal presidency, that tipping point came a long time ago. However, with so many allegations coming forth, it's almost hard to keep track of them. It doesn't help when you have one political party not willing to do much to alleviate the problem.
The best we can do is apply as much pressure possible to get something done. This presidency has been a dumpster fire, and in true democratic fashion, we need to put out the flame (metaphorically speaking, of course).
Agreed. I will add it's not just one political party unwilling to do much.
It's also a so-called "news network" that bombards its viewers with propaganda about Trump's greatness -- and the evil of everyone else ranging from the FBI to the CIA, liberals, moderates, progressives, non-extremist conservatives, scientists, polls, universities, all other media and on and on and on.
So if I kick your butt in a fistfight, does that mean I'm not a liberal?
Besides they think they look cool in pink hats ?
Sean Hannity uses Michael Cohen as an attorney? Fox News did not know it? Hannity railed against the search,knowing that he was personally involved?
How will this play out? Could it be Hannity's tipping point?
Update ;Hannity , " I am NOT a client of Cohen , no invoiced bills , no requests for legal advice , none given or taken ,.....only brief conversations about possible legal matters."
Even if he were he is not the subject or object of an investigation ! So , What is all of this hoopla ?
A fishing expedition like ALL of the rest of the Trump Derangement.
Don't miss my point
Real media and fake media alike have ethics and standards.
Five Core Principles of Journalism
1. Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.
Journalists must be independent voices; we should not act, formally or informally, on behalf of special interests whether political, corporate or cultural. We should declare to our editors – or the audience – any of our political affiliations, financial arrangements or other personal information that might constitute a conflict of interest.
3. Fairness and Impartiality
Most stories have at least two sides. While there is no obligation to present every side in every piece, stories should be balanced and add context. Objectivity is not always possible, and may not always be desirable (in the face for example of brutality or inhumanity), but impartial reporting builds trust and confidence.
Journalists should do no harm. What we publish or broadcast may be hurtful, but we should be aware of the impact of our words and images on the lives of others.
A sure sign of professionalism and responsible journalism is the ability to hold ourselves accountable. When we commit errors we must correct them and our expressions of regret must be sincere not cynical. We listen to the concerns of our audience. We may not change what readers write or say but we will always provide remedies when we are unfair.
Diane , I'm glad you recognize these attributes , now why has your party defended for a three years the media bias on the left that goes well against every principled number on your list ?|
Now , before you deny it read your own list again .
So what is my party affiliation? Whom have I voted for in the past 25+ years? What causes do I support?
Why are your drawers in a wad about this? Haven't you noticed that I don't get upset. We both have the right to our opinions?
Why do you respond to everyone with such rage?
In this case, I don't consider it rage but you do respond in a less than friendly manner to most people whom you perceive as the adversary.
Diane, He is representative of a rightwing that is butt-hurt and on the rampage, desperate to appear legitimate to the public. Fear is the driving force rather than courage and reason.
I can still get my point across without vitrol.....
I was just thinking about you. Promise! Then I looked at my messages. How are you?
Yes, you know that I am not a Democrat. Ahorse knows the same. I consider myself independent which some may call a flip flop. But it is my right as everyone else has their own views and rights.
You are right that there is a certain group that is dug in for the long haul on Trump. The guy is morally unfit as James Comey said. I think he has given the briefest, yet most definitive, assessment on the man.
'Morally unfit'. Were we to use that as our standard for holding public office we'd have as much of a shortage of politicians as the Catholic Church has of priests.
Not exactly considering Spanky Trump is in a class all by himself when it comes to lying, cheating, corruption, immorality, lack of ethics, obstruction, abuse of power, conspiracy and constitutional violations:
Any comparison between Spanky and any pother politician is simple a false one:
I was just thinking about you. Promise! Then I looked at my messages. How are you?
Hi, Diane, thanks for looking in. I am well these days. I always knew that you were bit more conservative than I, but again "viva la difference". It would be unbearably boring if we all parrot the same views, all the time. Yes, I am a Democrat, and while I have issues with the party, it reflects my ideological and political views far more closely than the "other party".
I am content to let the "thing" play out. Mueller has to stay the course but in all fairness to Trump, when Mueller is satisfied that Trump gets a clean bill of health at that time I will get off of his back, at least in this matter, anyway.
Somebody said that it was un-American not to support the President regardless of what his policies are and what he does. I did not like Bush's preemptive war on Iraq, either. I will always respect the office and allow its occupant an opportunity to do the job properly, but that does not mean I will become a mere bobble-head supporting his every action.
Yes, I am probably as adamant about the "Left" as Ahorseback is about the political Right, I just hope that my political adversaries find me a bit more palatable in expressing my views.
You make my point. We don't agree on everything and don't have to. We communicate and respect each other. We all come from different backgrounds and careers.
In order to survive corporate America, I learned to communicate respectfully and effectively. My paycheck and promotions depended on it. I thought about it. Many people have never been in a situation where they are required to accomplish objectives together. That's why group activities in school are so important.
It looks like Nikki Haley and dear leader may be at odds over Russian sanctions. They were going to blame it on the "woman" getting confused.
Wow Diane, "and Fox news did not know".... First Hannity stated Michael Cohen is not his attorney, and never was. Second, if he had been it certainly is his business not the public domains. And you ask will this tip the scale? It's very apparent how disparate the left is to care who Hannity's attorney is... Why not take a moment to read your comments before posting them. This one sounds very foolish. Tipping the scale, all of the lefts ridiculous conspiracy theory's have no base in truth, and only result in making the left look foolish.
Would you like my address to find out?
What's the point of this? And besides. why are you posting something from an Austrian that seems a bit concerned about his own manliness?
I think he means like with a man bun ?........;-]
That's one strange weird photo with a very obscure message I suppose, just like everything about Mr. Trump:
But here's a photo of someone that actually 'tipped' some Trump voters over to the 'good blue wave' side': It's none other than Roy Moore, alleged pedophile and all around eerie creep: In case you were in the Bahamas when he had the audacity to run for U.S. Senate, Mr. Trump endorsed him, yes you heard that correctly, Mr. Trump the angry cry baby elderly orange guy in the oval office endorsed an alleged pedophile for U. S. Senate and phony charlatan Jerry Falwell Junior still supports him: UNREAL:
What kind of evil civilization has the crumbling United States become and will the revolution stop the degradation perpetrated by so few?:
Ya Jake , it's kind of like your average Bill and Hillary pictures , while Bills getting a B job in the balcony chewing an old stogie and Hillary's staring at some woman's breasts all the while calling out all the bimbo's .
Being a little sanctimonious are we ?
When it's impossible to defend the indefensible, just try to throw Bill and Hillary in there right? Nothing about the damning revelations concerning the Trump, Cohen, Hammity conspiracy?
Pedophilia, which Spanky Trump essentially endorsed or turned a blind eye to, is considered the worst crime possible by prison inmates, they'll remember that when weakling 'Spanky the Tweet' is ordered to take the bottom bunk by his cell mate, the big bad black panther dude who's serving time for tossing a dreadful pedophile off a 20 foot swing set in to giant saguaro cactus :
So let me get this straight , many here and the left friendly media are at war with an elected president of the united states , almost 2 years after an election . Using the power of the corrupted courts combined with news media hatred and angry street fighting political discourse Show nothing but infantile vitriol and hate in fake media or here in political forums .
Then, attempt to lecture Trumps party defenders about the real ethics of what media integrity is "supposed" to be like ? Finally , getting all safe space sensitive when they get political push --back ?
Is that about right ?
Honestly Ahorse, it seems you take every discussion opportunity to cast aspersions on those you don't agree with.
My post is about "tipping points." Two years ago I took an online class on tipping points. I had no idea that the topic could be spread into an 8 week class. I am looking for healthy discussion of whatever your particular viewpoint is.
Mentioning people from the past, regardless of what they've done, has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion unless you are doing a comparison. "What about" is a distraction, not a comparison.
I feel like some people are stalking me to try to ruin any type of productive exchange I try to generate. When I have disdain for a topic, I don't participate. That is being narcissistic.
As i have said for the past four/five years. I am not a Democrat. I don't see anything wrong with being a Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever one chooses to call himself. What is important is rational thought processes that lead to productive discussion, and perhaps enlightenment, that makes us all respect others though we may disagree.
Kicking, ranting, and attempts to antagonist reflect poorly on those who do those things on a day to day basis.
I'm not responding to any more red herrings.
The fact that you'd actually rather a Trump "Tipping Point' than a smooth sailing presidency says it all Diane , neither you nor anyone else on the obstructionists side needs to get " bent out of shape " because someone disagrees with your dreamscape of a Trump failure . This is what's called a political forum discussion debate, discourse ,......Or did you want just those who agree with your political point to respond ? You didn't ask -WILL there be a tipping point you asked -when , that alone say's it all . Stalking ? I like most political debate , Stalking's a week accusation and sounds like you cannot stand the heat of political debate .
Answer- "tipping point "? Perhaps in seven more years .
You know what they say about "standing in the heat of the kitchen" .
Ahorse, disagreeing agreeably would be a welcomed change.
"The tipping point will come when the Rusian investigation is proven to be a ruse. Charges against Flynn, Popadopoulos, Gates and Manafort will be dropped because there was no evidence to support the charges that were made. You will enjoy your tax reduction and experience a higher standard of living. You will thank President Trump that crime has decreased and you will gladly vote for him in the 2020 election."
That is disagreement that doesn't call anyone names or use divisive rhetoric. That could be a great starting point for discussion.
Some of us........ already think that the progressive one is Trump , his policies , the economics, the diplomacies, the jobs , the corporate success', the progress on immigration , his foreign policies , tax breaks and his military respect .There was never a need for a positive "tipping point"on our side because we live it and have since the beginning of our faith in his leadership .
Your Russian Investigation , as the rest , is a ruse as is most all the other obstructive media driven frenzy. I'm not name calling and I won't go on a political defensive in forums to suit your needs or ideological insecurities , what I will do however is stand against yours or anyones nay-saying of true political progress of our president .
If defending our president is somehow "divisive rhetoric " maybe it's your side that's the overly politically sensitive party and not mine . Perhaps your "tipping point "will be your accepting the positive political reality that IS rather than the one you want it to be.
Who the hell wants a 'smooth sailing trump presidency' when he gave all of our wealth to Wall Street, constantly sabotages our healthcare system, will absolutely cut social security and medicare if handed legislation that does so, agitates foreign leaders into nuclear conflict, bows his head to Vladimir Putin, signed a exec order to make it EASIER for elderly people who need help with basic needs to buy guns, signed an exec order to make it easier for mining cos to dump mercury and toxins into our water supple and is on the verge of approving an order to make it easier to manufacture vehicles that spew more toxic gasses, etc etc.
In what warped retarded alternate universe are these good things that help human beings? Spanky and his cons need to be obstructed hard until he's sent to prison:
Jake, you are incorrigible! You love picking on horse and he loves picking on everybody that doesn't believe what he believes.
A Horse, a Horse, my Trumpdom for a Horse!
Soon as I find out what 'incorrigible' means I'll either thank you or pick on you diane:
Perhaps there are too many here too sensitive to the alt realities of political hogwash to carry on the good fight in a political forum . So because what, Rachael Maddow says something it becomes biblical to the left , because Democracy Now plugs a Goodman ideal it becomes an undeniable truth ?
Whatever happened to people who could debate an issue without playing the poor me card ? I didn't state that there will come a devastating" tipping point " for Trump , I say basically "there may not be one" and all of a sudden I'm a forum stalker or some such typical nonsense.
I think perhaps what many overly sensitive people here need to do if you want ONLY like minded discourse is to Email each other hugs . There is after all a political reality outside of one thought , one mind .
I wonder if Politics and Religion is worth talking about at all.
Maybe both will go away if we ignore it. I will practice this ignoring these Vampires, Puppets and fairytales. Title of my next art piece, then finish with unsolvable, wasteful hierarchy leaders.
A few days ago Mueller warned that the News reports are not accurate. Perhaps Mueller may not find that Trump committed any crimes? He certainly took the oppertunity to put out this statement. https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/0 … /23413390/
lol, Sharlee, Robert Mueller doesn't do interviews with the press and if the news reports are inaccurate as you claim, it's probably because the media is giving Spanky too much of the benefit of a doubt: In reality, Mr. Trump's situation is probably much much worse than reported:
Actual I did not say Mueller gave an interview, the statement came form his office. The statement was given to the Washington Times, and resource confirmed by the outlet.
If a statement came from his office, would it not be in the form of a press release and disseminated to all media?
They should print a copy of it online.
Interesting that it isn't on Mueller's website.
What is the significance of bringing up this site? It is an official government legal agency site. This is not the place to make personal statements????
What are we looking for on here/
It's Mueller's public website. Does anyone know where else Mueller and his staff have made public statements other than this one?
I haven't seen his site so I have no idea of what's going on.
I was referring to the DOJ site that listeed all indictments. There should be no place on there for innuendo.
I suppose if Mueller would make statements, the appropriate place would be on his site. Didn't this start with someone saying "Mueller said don't believe everything you read." I just wanted to see the press release.
Whats wrong with posting a site with factual information diane?: We need more of this and I try to contribute to sharing real news as well, promisem is simply proving the fact that Sharlee's first post contained false info:
Your link goes to an article from the Republican-funded Business Insider, which got it from the Washington Times, which got it from the Daily Caller.
Daily Caller is a propaganda site run by Tucker Carlson of Fox News.
The article about the alleged statement doesn't even say who provided it. Just a "spokesman" for Mueller.
And to add....Washington Times is not known as a very accurate newspaper since the days Rev. Moon's group bought it ( you know...the Moonies). So, this is a very suspicious news link that this "story" went through.
The same Business Insider article says Washington Times is "a pro-Trump outlet which routinely takes aim at reports hostile to the President".
Anyone see the constant pattern of liberal never Trumpets , Deny a news article if it only fit's someone else's agenda , believe only the ones that feed the piranhas of the new libbers . Man , it's just so blatantly Nazi like .
So official sounding , Who was Hitler's media guy ,Goebbels ?
Evoking the Godwin Rule? I was wondering when that was going to happen.
The Zionist are the old and new Nazis. They own the media and pass down the scripts to they own and staffs follows. Any individual efford gets drown out or cut off.
They Control the media, and they control the minds of the people.
Man it is so wonderful to be free.
Please provide a link to the statement from any official site along with the name of the spokesperson.
Just a thought... The NYT as well as WAPO pretty much never name sources. " A source" is what is typically stated in their articles. And so many of their reports turn out to be untrue. Do you see where I am headed? Yeah
No link or name of the spokesperson? That was the point of my post above.
Please provide proof from a credible source that NYT and WAPO coverage is untrue. Credible sources do not include Fox News, which claims everyone is lying except for Fox News.
Otherwise, I'd like to see a list of successful libel lawsuits from people who were able to prove that NYT and WAPO fact checking -- which is done by multiple people who vote for both parties -- was false and malicious. I can't seem to find one.
I visit a lot of news sources. It's only the Washington politicians who demand anonymity. I will also point out that newspapers never accept an anonymous source without getting confirmation from other sources.
Let's see , you want proof of WAPO and NYT proof but instantly dismiss Fox as phony , sure ! Such hypocrisy from a journalist ? NOooo !
Fox can't help it that they are more trusted than NYT the others.
It appears your computer is giving you trouble again. She is the one who claimed that WAPO and NYT coverage is false. I asked for proof.
I will gladly get into the massive credibility problems at Fox News including:
- 13 current lawsuits by employees
- Lawsuits over the Seth Rich propaganda
- The Bill O'Reilly lawsuits
- The firing of founder Roger Ailes
- The Sean Hannity scandal, etc.
Please feel free to redirect.
EDIT: Let's not forget the veteran Fox military analyst who quit a few weeks ago because he was "ashamed" of working at a network that was a "propaganda machine" for Trump.
Thanks guys! I like to check my sources.
Maybe the tipping point is today ; Sessions opening another investigation into Comey , McCabe Strohk , and a few others . Now the real "stormy" begins ? Emails , collusion , dossiers , ...............Hillary are you listening .
Won't this just be the "tipping point " of the sanity of their loyal followers ?
I don't have a problem with it. When you have nothing to hide, why worry. I've been through several which hunts myself. I depended on my education, experience, ability to document evidence, and present it in a concise, compelling case.
I'm at the end of a 5 year case where people tried to underestimate me. It's fun!
I was an auditor for aerospace industry back in the day. I passed the cpa exam. I was doing systems audits for contract compliance, government regulations and compliance with company regulations. I was the first AA auditor in the department. My reports were controversial because the head of the department had dumbed down the audit requirements. My most significant audit was a receiving department audit. I saw a 5 tier rack in the corner and took samples. I was told that these were not subject to audit beecause theey were "exception" processing. The VP of Operations sat in on the audit briefing. I was on my own because my boss, who thought I was on a wild goose chase would not support me.
there were "exceptions" that were deliverables on a contract with a past due delivery date. This stops production on a contract. Bottom line, I became a leader of a red team that went out to identify problems at various locations in California and Arizona.
Most recently I was told that I was not doing my job right, teaching choir. I received bad evaluations, for the first time in my life. I would project my evaluations on the wall with deficiencies. My students helped me critique and respond to the evaluations. I ultimately got the Superintendent of Schools involved. My students parents were callng the school board. The person evaluating me couldn't read or write standard English.
I'm sorry it's so long Horse.
Very interesting I can only imagine the disparities in government contract audits , I was recently reading about FEMA problems in that area , contracts for emergency foods , supplies etc. for I think Puerto Rico , contracts never showing up but paid out etc...... crazy . I hope you're out of there and away from the harrassment.
Yes, I left GMHE in 1993. I wanted to help inner city kids. It evolved into me teaching. Same shiz, different industry. People blame teachers for kids not learning. That's is a big lie.
Puerto Rico is in deep trouble. Hurricane season is coming again. I guess there is no electricity on the island period.
A while back I read about a private company[I think woman owned ] in Georgia who won a government contract to provide meals for that hurricane and never delivered any but apparently receive a million + or so down payment ?
ahorseback, What's so wonderful about these investigations, most involved left not only paper trails but Youtube video's trials, as well as Government video archive trails . Oh, and a few are already turning on each other. These fools thought they were above the law. Not so much... Should be fun to watch.
More than anything the phony investigations need to end and the real ones begin , Tell me one thing however ..... Why did the Trump Collusion and subsequent half dozen investigations begin BEFORE any were even started about the highly corrupted Obama administration and the Clinton mafia ?
Of of a sudden Trump is supposed to be happy he's being cleared by Mueller and
Rosenstein , There is something highly crooked about all of this . The American public is to perhaps too intellectually lacking to understand that it was all a conspiracy by a sitting administration [Obama ] against a campaigning civilian and his subsequent campaign victory .
Treasonous , conspiratorial , one thing or another heads are gonna roll I think .
The criminal investigation is indeed real, it's big, the greatest in American history and according to reports, the indictment noose appears to be excruciatingly tight around Donald's neck, let's just pray that he nor his family get away with it:
can't wait to see where these new investigations go.
Me too Diane , yet I have little faith in any federal action , there is one outside attorney directed by Sessions to investigate some of FISA stuff . Can an outside action clean house internally ? Who knows . I just want the truth , there is only one of those. If the American voter ever awakens to the amount of 2 party apathy in congress , senate we will have a reckoning .
November should tell all . Business as usual or change .
What "tipping point"..? Another liberal forum dedicated to Shakespeare's McBeth...A tale, told by an idiot...Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing...Did fake Jake start this forum..?
Jack, Your comments are meaningless to those that just are willing to acknowledge negative unproven innuendos, and ignore actual facts. President Trump could cure cancer, and the Trump haters would blame him for upsetting the delicate balance that insures depleting the population, and results in over population of the earth. Yes, I am serious. However Jack, we know, and are intelligent enough to see the the progress, and enjoy the benefits. Keep up your quest for truth. Jack, I appreciate it.
I hope the tipping point for the liberals will be if North Korea follows through with this most hopeful start. If they are serious the world will become a safer place under Trump's watch,
Live To Learn - Bravo... However, the bunch here would rather take a nuke than live in a safer world President Trump help bring about.
I think you might be correct. This is an historic moment. If true, in spite of all the hatred we are witnessing by the left, Trump will be remembered by history as great.
If true, world peace may be one step closer. An entire country will see a brighter future. A miraculous feat, if Un can be trusted. Even CNN credited Trump for this development.
Kim Jung Un spent the last year and a half forcing Spanky Trump into drawing about a dozen red lines then forcing him into humiliation by his bumbling inability to enforce those red lines remember? I do: N. Korea has essentially perfected their Nuke capability and have no more need to aggressively test hence their willingness to negotiate with the U.S. but they will never give up their nukes and the experts know this, but unfortunately for the world, we have a delusional old man in the oval office who actually believes they will:
Hatred of Mr. Trump? Absolutely and it's more than justified: I'm not sure how anyone would expect the American people to feel toward a megalomaniac who constantly sabotages our healthcare system, transfers our wealth to Wall Street, Slams the working folk by neglecting to give them a pay raise, gives the green light to poison our water and air supply and of course, prods other mentally unsound leaders to the brink of nuclear conflict as the Russian puppet in the oval office does:
Perhaps more humans should have hated Hitler and Mussolini much sooner:
Hitler and Mussolini. That's so original. Maybe that is the problem with the left today. The inability to have an original thought?
Something to add about the North Korean crisis. They've done this a lot in the past. The big reason they threaten brinkmanship is to (1) get some deal with the outside world to keep their disastrous economy going. (2) save the regime (3) get needed things such as...food. The nuclear weapons were bargaining chips and (dare I say) an empty threat. Evoking fear and intimidation was their strategy. The regime learned a long time ago, that they can play this game. Still, the specter here is that they now have nuclear weapons and the capability to use them. Time will only tell if they actually adhere to denuclearization (part of me hopes, but reality states it's otherwise). Also, it should noted that initial reports (at least from NPR) indicate that North Korea's economic crisis was the reason they are coming to the table to discuss terms.
That's right , When the immaturity of the obstructionists finally [if ever ] come around , they will note the historic accomplishments of Trumps leadership , you know , I think that the left is just jealous that they didn't invent Trump, as a matter of fact THAT will be their claim in history -that Trump was a democratic idea !
Kind of like the end of slavery or the civil rights act or , "I invented the internet " !
I'm not a Trump fan (although, my favorite thing about him is we are lucky we aren't living under Hillary) but I tip my hat on this one.
Yes, we're dying to have a lying, boasting, cretin like Spanky we can be proud of. History will not be kind to him, nor you for that matter.
There's gonna be a lot of Pinocchio noses eventually, (Mueller and Comey, for instance) and not on Trump.
Trump is fighting back. He 's trying to halt the witch-hunt that the Democrats plan to string along until after the November midterm elections.
Problem: If the Democrats and Republicans who are against Trump win the House and the Senate, they will impeach him.
Solution: The people must vote out most of the incumbent Republicans and Democrats who are
Mitch Mc Connell
John Mc Caine
All the Democrats
So you readily admit Trump is engaged in obstruction of justice. Glad that it's that obvious. The American voters will be the ones to hold this administration to account since the GOP Congress has only ignored his economically wasteful golf trips to his own private clubs, incompetent hiring and firing of staff, and his possible compromised position on Russia.
No I did not readily admit that!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7Kz
What a pathological liar looks like when he opens his mouth and unfortunately the gullible trumpeteers actually believed him: Pathetic: He criticized President Obama's infrequent golf games but this lazy louse appears to spend most of his time, paid for by us, on the golf course, crying or whining like an unhinged irrational nut case on twitter or stuffing cheeseburgers in his mouth while lounging in bed as the country goes to hell:
If Fox News is a bastion of truth, explain this segment for us:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 … ey-sot.cnn
Well when you ain't got anything else to do ...................anything at all ! Ole Coop' might be looking for another job too ,I hear . Comey today being referred for criminal activity , McCabe last week .....kinda looking bad ?
Yep, looking really bad for Spanky these days. And son-in-law's companies are being investigated for lying about their number of renters and their income. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree....
And how is the son in law's business actually Trumps fault ? .....Are you guys over there running out of never -never land reasons ? You are aren't you !
Unfortunately for Spanky fans, the investigations into his family based companies are quite fruitful at this point. One reason smart POTUS's divest themselves from private businesses and also show their tax returns is to avoid any appearance of wrongdoing. But then, they were smart Presidents...
One , Tax form releases are a newer thing altogether who cares how much they earn if they are successful leaders ? Two "divesting" oneself from private companies , Did the Clintons give up their law degrees other than impeachment results ? The Obama's their college degree's and social justice degree's , I know ........none of them actually ever had a job did they ?
Obstruction number # 94 is the DNC lawsuit lodged this week , ........do we stop twiddling our thumbs yet ? The DNC should be worried about a Bernie Sanders lawsuit , Donna Brazzile , the fact that Clintons used them ALL and the DNC for money laundering , yes even Russian money , ..................But that will all come out with the Comey ,McCabe , Lynch , Rice , Clinton , Mueller impending sharkfest . Comey's already turning on Lynch , McCabe on Comey , Strok on McCabe ......what a cluster ?
2018 is here you know, can you afford the seat losses ?
A lot of blaming the liberals and not defending Spanky's transgressions, eh horse? You are not curious at all--and probably don't care--who has Spanky's family jewels in a bind, do you? No matter how many of his cronies are proven to have contacts with Putin's boys, you will still obey the edicts of a nobody like Sean Hannity. Give it up, your credibility is nil!
And what exactly has your Trump fanaticism gained you but partisan self loathing and demise , One thing I love is how REAL news media is parroting certain buzz words in repetition , watch as subliminal messaging casts the spell over the marching masses ....russia russia russia russia , stormy stormy stormy stormy , collusion collusion collusion collusion , orange orange orange orange , it's pretty hilarious . There is no demise more damaging to a culture than ideological self loathing . Like the rise of Nazism there comes more mind control than mindful intelligence .
That's why I USED to be a liberal .
The Left's political positions are: Take away individual rights, increase government power, flood the country with illegal immigrants, destroy the economy through excessive taxation and regulation and international trade agreements, and destroy the middle class. Oh--and go to war with Russia at the behest of international bankers who are pissed that Russia has made itself largely squid-free.
As far as I can tell the Left's entire constituency consists of government employees/retirees, and others who support big government because it gives them a cut (corporations enjoying monopolies/subsidies and their employees).
As with all political matters, the real divisions are economic. The Left wants government money to continue to flow to them; the Right wants to be relieved of excessive taxation and government intrusion into both their personal and economic lives.
Leftist are Statists. They want the people to have no power and no personal and economic self-determination, and the government to be all-powerful. Tough sell.
In the upside down charlatan alternate Trump / conservative universe you might be correct but not here in the real world: Actually you're incorrect on all points: Dems are interested in protecting our schools by outlawing weapons of war, providing healthcare for all Americans from birth which is a constitutional right, not taking from the working class and giving to apple computer and walmart who are now hoarding roughly $500 billion of our money like the trump /con tax cut corporate welfare plan does: and regarding the economy? Spanky Trump has been an utter disaster instigating one of the biggest stock market flops in HISTORY because of his insane trade war catastrophe:
Here's the reality, not a liar Sean Hammity warped conservative view of how our economy performed consistently over an 8 year period under Democrat President Obama: He miraculously cleaned up the economic disaster of Bush and the cons to achieve near perfection with a record 84 straight months of high paying job growth while maintaining a 35% corporate tax rate on Wall Street: Just one reason why he's a top 5 president:
Unless some major errors occur, Trump will be gone soon thank God, and so will his appalling family and corrupt friends, then we can try to salvage what's left of the states:
Know what this is ? A charted line for unemployed rates in blacks , black youth employment , civil rights advances , corporate profit margins , foreign diplomacy advances , economic expansion , solvings of cop murders , military moral , police moral , college graduate employment rates , ................................I can go on.
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