Did Trump Really Try To Implement a Coup?
Why don't Trump voters care about this?
The fiscal policies of the Trump administration added twice the amount to the national deficit as have President Biden’s, a new analysis has found.
Other analyses say Trump's programs for 2025 will do the same.
https://thehill.com/business/4736740-tr … 0trillion.I have discovered that Trump voters want Trump for issues having little to do with dollars and cents (sense). To ignore the evidence in the presented link would lead one to that conclusion.
I am guessing from the deafening silence, the Trump supporters (other than two) that used to defend him got tired of having their disinformation challenged by the Truth and went back to their own silos where they won't be contradicted.
Pretty sure Sharlee is sulking for being banned for a bit for spamming the site with multiple threads that had the same exact content. She likely didn't appreciate that there's actually a limit to the propaganda she can post here.
Hadn't thought about that.
As one of the main disseminators of disinformation about Biden's cognitive ability and stamina, she must be really pissed at Trump for making her look foolish by talking about how Biden is suddenly a master debater (now don't go making fun of that, lol).
I don't know much about the USA budget. I've heard much about tax cuts or increases, and military spendings which takes the highest amount of the United States budget. It's great that biden has an edge over Trump here. Thanks for the link. The story is fairly and squarely wrote by an (independend)? body.
Trump really is living in a make-believe world. Now he is going around at rallies and Fake Fox News telling everybody that the Army is building electric tanks (he hates electric vehicles for some stupid reason). Problem is, the Army doesn't have any and isn't building any.
Is he so mentally unstable that he doesn't even know what he is talking about?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/2 … y-00164458I chuckle and nearly laugh. But just put on a smile. Politics is still a game. They're many damn persons to be carried off they head and foot, with the trick. Sure, sensible people are laughing and rolly on the floor. Not fools really. Human warnings couldn't had any effect on such souls! Damnned! Holly wonder! So Trump is now a friend to his 'fake' FoxNews? Political ingenuity? Wwwwww
Biden needs to bring this new lie up at the debate as yet another sign of Trump's declining mental capacity.
Trump claims he was 'tortured' in jail in fundraising email
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/26/politics … bof-digvidThe Conservatives on the Supreme Court are doing what Trump failed to do, destroy the American government's ability to protect its citizens.
They have transferred the power to defend the citizens from greedy corporations away from the experts and put it in the hands of of uninformed judges.
They have just jeopardized the planet in ways that will make Trump proud.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/30/politics … index.htmlAre you saying that unelected committees/persons, composed of government flacks, should be the ones making laws instead of our elected representatives that were put there for that purpose?
Or is there something else?And are you saying that our elected reps, who are more beholden to the people that fund their campaigns, and who often lack the technical expertise to understand the regulatory needs, should be making regulations?
There's another side to your coin, if you care to recognize it.Oh, I recognize it! But that they don't do their job is not a reason we should accept others, people that we don't know and have not authorized, doing it.
These folks aren't making the laws, Congress is making the law but the "flacks" as you call them guide implementation. Why? because they are the ones with the expertise in the area, that's why they were hired. Congress doesn't have the knowledge and neither does our ridiculous SCOTUS. With it's ruling, SCOTUS gave power to themselves!
The ruling concentrates power in the courts, leaving judges to make calls about policy that had previously been decided by experts who have deep experience in the subject area.
Gorsuch and the conservative justices couldn't even refer to the correct gas in the environmental arguments, he kept referring to nitrous oxide which is laughing gas.
The justices, repeatedly referenced laughing gas in their short-sighted disastrous ruling before declaring that judges know better than agency regulators. And I want these people to be the final word on EPA regulations? No thanks.
Too many of these justices are full of themselves. This court has lost all legitimacy. This decision was a pure power grab. This court needs to be put back in its place.
Justice Kagan, in dissent, wrote that, “[i]n one fell swoop, the majority today gives itself exclusive power over every open issue — no matter how expertise-driven or policy-laden — involving the meaning of regulatory law.” (Dissent 3). She emphasized that Chevron has “support[ed] regulatory efforts of all kinds,” including “keeping air and water clean, food and drugs safe, and financial markets honest.” (Dissent 2). Justice Kagan argued that “abstract analysis” by judges “can only go so far” when defining complex areas of statutory silence such as, “[w]hen does an alpha amino acid polymer qualify as … a ‘protein’” within the Public Health Service Act definition of “biological product.” “I don’t know many judges who would feel confident resolving that issue …. But the FDA likely has scores of scientists on staff who can think intelligently about it … and arrive at a sensible answer."
But who needs science and educated folks to guide decisions when we have a partisan court?Then we are talking apples and oranges, for I am speaking of the rules and regulations put into effect by committees outside of government that determine what may or may not be done. Fish and game commission. National Park rules. OSHA "laws", and those from MSHA. Things like that. No oversight by legislators at all. It is extremely common, for our law makers do not wish to take the time to examine all the rules that we are forced to live by. These organizations are tasked with coming up with the "laws" we are then forced to live by and those laws never come to a vote on the congressional floor.
SCOTUS - but SCOTUS is the last word on what a (federal) law means and if it's constitutional. That's why we have SCOTUS; to be a "last word" on laws. To decide if the inevitable efforts to find loopholes are valid or not. That you do not like all their decisions does not make the concept about its task invalid.The 6-to-3 ruling means judges should no longer defer to the scientific expertise of those agencies on a vast range of technical questions and, instead, should make such decisions themselves.
The crux of it?
The ruling also discounts the value of scientific expertise, says George Washington University law professor Emily Hammond. “The idea that generalist judges are now best situated to make those kinds of decisions as compared with the scientists, engineers, and technical experts at those agencies really flips on its head decades of expectations about the relative competencies of agencies versus judges,” she says.
Justice Kagan called it “judicial hubris” and that the majority “grasps for power.”. I agree.
Kagan gave several examples of technical questions that she feels judges are ill-equipped to answer. The Food and Drug Administration must decide what qualifies as a protein in regulating biological products, she notes. And the Fish and Wildlife Service is required to determine what constitutes “distinct population segments” of imperiled plants or animals to enforce the Endangered Species Act.
“That is what a typical Chevron question looks like,” she wrote, and scientists at those agencies have the knowledge and experience to answer them. “It is a role this Court has now claimed for itself, as well as for other judges,” she asserted.
Good luck with that! Justice Gorsuch didn't even understand the difference between laughing gas and nitrogen oxide, the air pollutant that the EPA’s policy at issue was aimed at reducing.
There are places where deference is very appropriate, yes? it’s really disappointing to see that this court has decided that they’re just as adept as agencies to make those kinds of decisions. Hubris is right.You will have to show me the decision, for I don't believe it is as you said. Scotus did not, I think, decide that the court has more scientific knowledge. Only that it understands the law far better then some scientist - something that I do not doubt at all.
Congress writes the laws, including the laws that give regulatory agencies their authority. Under the Chevron doctrine, if the laws around regulation weren't clear and well defined, the ultimate authority to interpret them fell to the regulatory agencies themselves.
Now that it's been reversed, that authority will fall to the court system. The rationale behind giving the authority to the regulators in the first place was that they were in a better position to have the technical expertise in the matter at hand.
So if Congress empowers the EPA to prevent toxic chemicals from being dumped into bodies of water, the EPA is best position to define what chemicals are toxic and how much is too much. This removed the need for Congress to be subject matter experts in everything. We all know that many of them are not experts in much of anything let alone pollution, medicine, tech etc .
The laws created have to be vague to some degree in order to allow these specific agencies to function as experts in their field.
Now we will have judges deciding what the EPA and other agencies should do. Instead of scientists and experts carefully evaluating which chemicals can safely go into rivers, we'll have ideological judges who know nothing of science deciding such issues.
An everyday example of this may be
the babysitter, who is an expert and is operated for more than 40 years with the autonomy to make decisions regarding safety, diet, TV time, bedtime, etc... No longer has the ability to decide what's best for the baby when the parents were not clear in their instructions on every single minute subject.
Or maybe this example.. the teacher hands out a grade, the student thinks it's unfair and brings it to the board for review. Under the idea of Chevron, the board would defer to the teacher because she is the expert. The trained educator. Now ? No deference would be given to the teacher's expertise and the board (made up of a variety of citizens but not educators) would delve into issues they are unqualified for in order to make a decision.
SCOTUS says no more deference to experts. Judges will decide what flies. The judges tossed out Chevron doctrine, which says judges should yield to agencies’ reasonable readings of ambiguous laws when crafting rules around artificial intelligence, improve the health care system and protect against climate change.
This is a power grab.Ah. The EPA is indeed the better source (I doubt they are the best) of what chemicals to ban or control. They most certainly are NOT the best source to write the law or to interpret laws.
If it is not written correctly then an accused can be guilty of following the law but not what the EPA wanted or meant. Give the EPA the authority to also interpret that law and the accused will be found guilty even though following that poorly written law.
Do you understand? When someone is accused of illegal activity it is the law that must decide guilt, not the intent of whoever wrote that law. For this reason, judges must NOT defer to what the agency writing a poor law wanted or meant; they must give a verdict on what the law says.
It is indeed a power grab; a grab to keep justice as a matter of law rather than what a teacher or EPA executive thinks should be done regardless of what the law is. Judges are not charged with writing laws; they are charged with interpreting them. They have little need for expertise in the subject matter of the law (although some is likely necessary to understand the terminology); they have need for what laws and history mean. (And no, I don't need to hear again about how RvW is 50 years old).Give it up, Willow. Logic and common sense and using the brain God gave us has no place in conversations with Conservative zealots. It falls on deaf ears.
Do you think those "rules and regulations" are created out of whole cloth without reference to the laws Congress passed? Sounds like it.
I think they are laws being created by someone that was not elected to make laws. I made that very, very clear - did you still not understand it?
What I understand is that you believe there is no place in America for the Executive branch to execute the laws that Congress writes.
Sorry - you are still completely off track with the topic and subject. No one has mentioned the executive branch except you, when you suddenly inserted into the discussion of unelected people making laws.
You still haven't read the decision have you? The Supreme Court said that the Federal Agencies do not have the power to interpret the law in order to create regulations. Surprise, surprise, those Federal Agencies belong to the Executive Branch. You learn something new everyday, don't you.
Show me where a regulatory agency ever created a law rather than interpreting them (which you claim they don't have the authority to do).
Congress is not known for making either the laws OSHA enforces OR the penalties it applies. OSHA is the only one making those thousands of rules, regulations and laws.
Did you just say that Congress doesn't pass laws on on workforce safety or the environment?
And you actually believe OSHA (where did they come from, nobody mentioned OSHA) or EPA or the FCC or the SEC are doing it on their own without reference to laws passed by Congress?
So are you suggesting that Congress write all the regulations with all necessary detail included and just do away with the Executive Branch save the President since the Conservatives said that the experts are incapable of interpreting the law? That any conflict be resolved by unelected judges, not experts.
Where do you get these idiotic ideas of what other people are saying? Do you just make up the most offensive thing you can think of?
I have yet to mention the executive branch or any political party. Only that Congress is not making the laws we all must follow; they have given unelected committees that power. And that comment does not have anything to do with the President.Where do I get those "idiotic" ideas? I get them from idiotic comments others make.
For now I'm wondering about the challenge. I think I'll come to a better understanding later.
It is so sad for America that this Conservative Supreme Court is now has bad as the Conservative Supreme Court that came up with Dred Scott. In one week, they created a virtual monarch out of the presidency and it prevented the various agencies in the executive branch from carrying out their job of protecting America and Americans.
With the immunity ruling, they said the President is above the law so long as he or she is smart in breaking it. Now, it is permissible for a malevolent character like Trump, if he were president, to go find just one person within the executive branch who would be willing to assassinate a political rival and talk them into doing it. That action by the president, according to the Conservatives, is now immune from prosecution.
And that scenario is no longer in the realm of the absurd should Trump become President. Now that he knows he would be immune and is above the law, he is malignant enough it is at least conceivable that he might do it. The ONLY requirement is that he talks to somebody who belongs to the executive branch.
It is officially a very scary world.What Chief Justice Robert said was the President was 'not above the law' while granting immunity from 'official' acts of misconduct. The Dems seems to be at odds with the 6-3 verdict, and is adding they picture to blured the judgement. Ex-President Trump, is not above the law. This was very clear in the mind of Justice Robert and his brother judges. Okay. Let Trump try a 'Water Gate' scenario, and let America see how her Senators act, when Trump, become president again.
Roberts may have "said" that, but the opinion he wrote effectively puts any president above law so long as they break in accordance with the Conservative guidelines.
And that is - do it through official channels. Roberts specifically put any communication between the president and any other executive branch entity, which includes the military, off limits from prosecution.
What that means is the President can communicate with (conspire with) some like-minded soul in the FBI to assassinate a political rival. Roberts made the President immune from prosecution for that criminal act. (That said, the law doesn't protect the FBI agent in this example.) The prosecution is specifically prohibited from using that communication against the President.
A good portion of the evidence Jack Smith had against Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election is probably off-limits now because of Roberts' ruling. Hell, there is an outside chance his jury conviction in New York may get thrown out as a result.
It is not just the Dems. It is anybody who believes in the rule of law that thinks the Conservatives probably made the worst ruling since Dred Scott (where they said Slaves cannot be Americans - ever). And it is the worst ruling they have EVER made in terms of the stability of our democracy.
Trump's Senate Republican supplicants will make sure he is never impeached regardless of what he does. They would rather have a murderer in the office rather than a Democrat. That is how low they have sunk.
Also, under this ruling, Nixon would not have been impeached (had he not resigned) because he would not have had to turn over his tape recordings. Making those recordings was an official act and therefore off-limits. Consequently, your Watergate (one word) example fails. He would not have been prosecuted for that.Well said, well said. Seems that's your opinion (and that of certain) Democrats? And it's not that of the majority? Seriously, and seemly believeable, Ex-President Jimmy Carter attempt to rescure the 53 American hostages decades ago, I think will fit into you thoughts? Or Ex-President Barak Obama assasination of Osama bin Ladin, using the Seal Team. Now, both presidents were covered, though the acts were different. But when Trump did like Obama to kill the strongman terrorist in Iraq, Ms Nancy Pelosi and her boys in the Senate, read that into impeachment process against Trump. So if Trump did what a Democrat president did, why is fair not square? Think.
The Supreme Court ruling has made Trump and his family royalty. America is no longer a democratic republic. We now have a king and his court. His daughter Ivanka is now a princess and his two sons are princes. Trump loves loyalty and people he can trust. I think he will probably make his son-in-law Jared his VP. They will all have top secret clearances at the highest level and they can have their finger on the bomb.
Trump wants to try Liz Cheny using a military tribunal to put her in jail for treason. However, if Trump uses the military for something like that, it will be tyranny and he will be the tyrant. But no matter, because the constitution will not matter to him.
He has complete immunity as long as it is an official act. The second amendment is all about everybody having the right to bear arms against a tyrannical threat, but that won't matter because he will just ignore it. Trump said he is the savior to democracy, but a king does not need a democracy. He said he would be a dictator on day one. I believe him.'He said he would be a dictator on day one. I believe him'. Not in America. All the 50 State governors are not to submit to him. And it's impossible to happen in America.
Every Democrat are stretching they imagination far per Justice Roberts judgement. So if Trump is now a King and a Royalty, good for him and his family. But when is the present government setting up the United States Royal Coach for His Imperial Majesty King Donald Trump? A Constitutional or Dictatorial Monarchy has never be above the law in the present realities. Fact is that a 'Cromwell' do arise to contain the monarch. What happened to King Charles in Cromwell's England is obvious. It's the English Parliament that had the upper hand.
Unbelievable!! Conservatives say Biden has dementia because he gets a few minor facts wrong.
I bet they say nothing about this major Trump flub. Trump, lol, says George Washington "probably" didn't own slaves. ROFL. The guy is bonkers.
"And Trump said, “How about George Washington high school? ‘We want the name removed from that high school.’ They don’t know why. You know, they thought he had slaves. Actually I think he probably didn’t.’”
And Conservatives want this uneducated, felon, sexual offender to be President!!!! Sheesh.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/24/politics … index.html
As a side note. I have have no idea if it is true (since Trump said it) that they are trying to remove the name of George Washington from the school or not, but if they are, I would disagree. Washington was not a traitor to America while those Confederate generals were.It probably looks funny. And taking Trump's background as an actor into account, who knows he's writing a comic book. That's why you laugh and roll on the floor. Take care. Don't be like George (of the) Jungle. There's a tree at your backyard. Bang! Is it your head? Yes, the Dem thought they know history more than trump.
Absolutely, the Dems think they know history more than trump.
What makes them the experts?They go to school and get college degrees.
Sure. But did they dig further and inquire invistigate? That what's history is...at the basic level. Heads-up to Trump!
Trump said that George Washington probably did not own slaves? Trained presidential historians know more than Trump, so what makes him the expert?
Do you all believe every opinion and blatant lie that Trump offers?
All historical information said otherwise, so relative to Trump anyone is an expert.'Trained presidential historian...' is that a higher specialized degree or field? And what? Everyone an expert? Too much nose with this expert thing. We all should begin to listen to the imperts. They give more than the experts. Yesterday night, George W. Was with me.
Spoken like a true anti-education Conservative.
Believe me you, I hold a degree in history.
Its normally "believe you me" and the fact that you have a degree doesn't seemed to have stopped you from taking an anti-education stance.
Trump's comment was not a statement of fact... he did say "I don't know" after the initial statement of "Washington didn't own slaves"
Paraphrasing, I'm not going back and rewatching the debate, every time I do, I end up in tears from laughter.
As TSMOG presented in another thread, watch the Kennedy - Nixon debate then compare it to the Trump - Biden debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYP8-oxq8ig
What a difference aye?Do you find Trump to be an intelligent man? It does sort of feel that conservatives these days do not really value intelligence, education, science, expertise and so on. That's been replaced by how well someone can bloviate. I think they've caught on that a lot of Americans don't know the difference.
Trump is a populist, as I noted before.
What is that?
I define populism as a Candidate that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.
Trump has portrayed the DC establishment... those life-long Politicians and Bureaucrats within it as corrupt, as "The Swamp" and the media that supports it as "fake news".
So Trump does not have to talk intelligently, or profoundly use science.
He has to appeal to his supporters.
Who does Trump appeal to?
Well, they have been described as deplorables, as terrorists, as traitors.
They are those uneducated masses that did not attend one of the top Ivy League schools, or even one of the Universities in the next tier of worthiness.
They are the underclass, the peasants, that have too much as it is and aren't taxed enough.
The neanderthals that cling to their guns and their bibles.
The ones trying to revive the Patriarchy, to put women back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.
We are moving to a time when we will be able to create genetically enhanced humans far more intellectually advanced than a "common" person, the last thing we need to do is bring back the nuclear family.
Between AI and enhanced genetics, there is no need cater to the masses a bunch of useless people, whom, as you say, put no value on intelligence, education, science or expertise.
Best we just do away with the charade of elections and choice, and firmly show them who is really in control.
Jail Trump, destroy his family and his businesses, jail and destroy all those that supported him or tried to support him.
And Save the Democracy.So-Called "Populists" turn into Demagogues who then migrate to authoritarians.
Famous "populists":
* Jair Bolsonaro (Brazil)
* Fidel Castro (Cuba)
* Adolf Hitler
* Benito Mussolini
* Huey Long
* Joseph McCarthy
All of whom built mass followings the same way that Cleon did: by exciting the passions of the masses against customs and norms of the aristocratic elites of their times.
NONE of those are a "morally good force". Trump is in good company!
You do realize, don't you, when you talk about "jailing" one's opponents, that is what Trump is telling anybody who will listen that that is exactly what he is going to do if America is unfortunate to have him as a president (who is now immune from virtually any corrupt or illegal act he may do.)
Since you don't want to put Trump in jail, that must mean you don't believe in punishing criminals.Things that make you go ...hmmmmmm.
So, if Trump is such a threat, why have they (Democrats and MSM) done so much to make him into America's greatest Victim of the State?
Why have all their actions made him more popular among the 'deplorables' than is possible to imagine?
Why does he now fill stadiums with people coming to hear him speak?
The problem you (and those of like mind) have is you think charging him with 94 felonies or finding him guilty of 34 felonies proves you right...
It doesn't.
It proves the claims that the Courts were weaponized against him right.
It proves the bias to anyone who takes just a moment to review how laws, Statute of Limitations, were changed, how precedence and federal court decisions were ignored... just to get a conviction, a conviction that is never going to stand up to the test of time/appeal.
You, and those like you, who have written fifty articles about Trump and started twenty threads about Trump and a MSM that never stops trashing Trump have made him into an ICON for every discarded and disgruntled American out there.
Before (back in 2015) Trump was just the alternative, just the FU to the system from all those who voted for him and were disgusted with the corruption and cronyism in our political body.
NOW... now you have made Trump into an Idol, an Icon, the living breathing embodiment of all those Americans that have had their fill of the 'aristocratic elite'.
He is your creation... enjoy him and wherever he takes the country.Trump is a career criminal, Ken, why do you continue to try to put the crimson colored glasses on reasonable thinking people?
Trumps behavior and actions speak for themselves, exacerbation by the media is just an excuse.
Who are the discarded and disgruntled Americans, the racists, the misogynists and patriarch, those weak people afraid of losing a stutus that that they neither merit nor deserve.....?
And now he want to be coronated as a King?Trump no longer has to pine for kinghood, the Conservatives on the Supreme Court retroactively just anointed him with that title.
Credence what I am trying to do, is get you to see reality, as I see it.
If I know you can see what I see, that you grasp the reality, if you still disagree and want something else, I'm fine with that.
But we have to be dealing with the same foundation of information.
Let me explain...
Trump is a "criminal" in that he does shady things to become rich, that is the business world and stupid people don't become wealthy in that world.
Biden is a "criminal" in that he gets shady donations and his son gets inexplicable jobs and investments from companies in Ukraine and China.
Which one is really worse?
Trump has "Secret" documents "found" in his residence...
Biden has "Secret" documents "found" in the offices of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement...
Hmmm, what a coincidence...
OK point I'm trying to make is don't tell me about how terrible Trump is when Biden is just as bad, if not worse.
All this other balony about coronating him King, or him becoming a Tyrant, is just hyperbolic nonsense and fearmongering that looks delusional.
Believe it or not, most people remember back to when he was President before. Most remember things were cheaper then, WWIII was not on the horizon, and no one was getting round up and thrown into jail for their political beliefs.
Trying to sell Trump as a dictator doesn't work for most people... because he is not an unknown, he has been President, and now everyone sees him being persecuted for politics.
Only the "faithful", only the 'extremists' on the Democrat/Left/Progressive cannot see what I am pointing out.
And now... to top it all off... you are trying to say its OK that a dysfunctional old man who clearly has dementia is fit to run the country, and that if something happens, the idiot Harris is more than competent enough to fill in for him.
Here is a great example of what people are seeing and hearing Credence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDd3d8p … JmiWqaL4lQ
Stuff like this is everywhere, in all formats, on X/Twitter especially...
This one video, done by a nobody, I hadn't even seen it before now, I just picked it off Youtube to use as an example... it has 315 thousand views.
CNN doesn't get 315 thousand views unless Trump is on.
This is a 'deplorable' pointing out in a video, of a commentary on a video, pointing out one of the smartest billionaires around met with and found that he liked and agreed with Trump!
Democrats can't win this election with Biden ... or Harris.Credence can lay waste to most of what you said, but I need to point out that you failed to mention, probably on purpose, that Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts by a just of his peers. Another jury found him guilty of sexually molesting a woman. A judge, which Trump chose to rule rather than a jury, found him guilty of massive fraud.
Is there a good reason you left those out?Because a corrupt and biased NY court system will eventually have ALL those cases and convictions overturned.
Not one will stand the test of time or appeals.
That is not conspiracy, that is the opinion of the nation's legal experts from both sides of the aisle.
The NY trails were political show, kangaroo courts united with NY politics to give America and the world the abortion of Justice we have been witness to.
Banana Republic politics and justice on display.
No wonder former allies like Saudi Arabia, India and others are pulling away from America and the dollar with haste.So, you are claiming those 12 jurors are corrupt and biased? Is, then Trump has succeeded in destroying our democracy in your mind.
Because he is master of martyrdom
All the prosecutors did was their job in convicting a criminal. The Democrats and MSM had nothing to do with it; Trump did it all to himself.
The "deplorables" (called that because their racist, xenophobic, misogynistic views) are simply brainwashed Americans.
Please don't make wild, untruthful claims such as "laws being changed" or "statute of limitations being changed" or that "court decisions were ignored" and the like without providing proof. All that sounds like to me is unsubstantiated sour grapes because your man got caught in criminally or civilly liable behavior.
We have made Trump into nothing, that is all your doing by turning a blind eye to his unAmerican, proRussian actions.
Trump ALWAYS says things like "I don't know" after saying an untruth such as Washington had no slaves. That gives him and his supporters a way out of his stupidity.
As I remember the Kennedy - Nixon debate, neither of them lied the whole time they were up there.
What the hell is an “impert”, Miebakagh? Did you make it up?
You say you studied history but you don’t know much about American history if you believe that George Washington was not a slave holder just because Trump says so. This Trump is a very ignorant and stupid man to make statements contrary to common knowledge.
I don’t like willful ignorance in the presence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That is just how I think……Yes, I study history. I was top in my class in America history. Impert: new word, new information.
What new information, Miebakagh? Based on what, is it every word out of Trump”s mouth?
New information needs to proven and substantiated, where is that?OK, I had to look it up - I thought it was a bad translation or misspelling (which is what ChatGPT came up with). Apparently not.
This is what something called Definitions.net came up with:
impert adjective
A bringer of new knowledge to a subject they are not considered expert in
I Quote from Psycho-cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz "Any new knowledge must usually come from the outside- not by "experts" but by what someone has defined as an IMPERT " Page X
Submitted by sallybibby on October 16, 2023
impert
Someone too impertinent to abide by the commonly held opinions of experts. Who after reviewing these commonly held opinions invents a new way of fitting facts together to create a useful new item or useful idea.
Despite the opinions of rubber experts at the time that it was impossible. Proceeded to invent the inflatable bicycle tire precursor to all pneumatic tires in use in the mainly automotive world today. Einstein's theory of special relativity is based on the impertinent idea that time could be variable (The problem using these examples is that the inventor of the tire was an expert in materials and Einstein was an expert in his field. The proper example would be if I came up with the pneumatic tire or the theory of relativity because I am not an "expert" in either.)
So, I went back and looked at how "impert" was used (assuming it is a real word). The key statement was "They give more than the experts. " - That is ONLY true if and only if what is given is new and is useful. Beyond that, it is simply hubris and arrogance.
Clearly, Trump's idea that George Washington did not own slaves is neither new, useful, or true.Kudos for taking the time to determine the meaning of and context for that word.
Nothing has come out of Trump's mouth. My inert mind or self tells me Trump is also behaving like a small boy! It's good to be jolly and heartily. Trump was all that. He was not even sure if George Washington keep slaves or not. Who knows? Where are the records of presidential historians? Seriously, what President set his slaves free if Washington had slave before or after the Emanicipation Proclaimation? Should we look into local oral history? Does America had oral history aplenty? That's why I say one should inquired and dig deep. Evidently, Trump was on that track or course. Again, heads-up to him, Trump.
Wondering. When Trump was an imperts in that George Washington, owning slaves or not! Dems knows hisory?
Who knows what was in Trump's head or whether he believes it or not.
A simple question every American needs to ask themselves, are you better of now than you were 4 years ago?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y7VX2IYcO0E
Is the world?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IDhuGji7bfs
Please wake up America... before its too late.
Dems didn't just think they know history more than Trump, they do know more.
Who here believes Trump would have sided with the Confederacy in 1861?
I don't know. Neither do I when Trump become a profesor of history.
Crazy, felon, and sexual predator Donald Trump amplifies his calls for a military tribunal to try Liz Cheney for something and to jail top Democrats. He is learning quickly from his tutor, Vladimir Putin.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/us/p … google1tapI pity him for going this far. That's human nature. A tooth for a tooth, and an eye for a eye.
Most humans operate with roughly equal balances of the Id, Ego, and Superego. In Trump's case, the Id dominates and the Superego has atrophied.
Your tooth for a tooth reference is pure Id and zero superego.
I think something like this truth was posted in 2015.
It was true then.
Trump proved it true over the next 9 years by Cheating Americans of an effective, honest government, betraying his country by siding with our enemies, they lost count of the number of lies he has told, and he screwed the American people over time and time again, especially the ones he is responsible for killing during Covid.
It is true today.
And he will prove it again in spades if enough Americans are stupid enough to elect him again.
Why even one person (besides himself) would vote for felon 34 times over, an adjudicated sexual predator, an adjudicated fraudster, a liar, a cheater, and a screwer president will be one of those unsolvable mysteries of the universe.
Biden told the governors that he (paraphrasing) needs to work a lighter schedule and get more sleep, but not as light a schedule as Trump maintained such as an hour of work, three hours of TV, another hour of work, a round of golf, another 3 hours of TV, and so on.
Congress can still impeach - but now any illegal actions become solely political. I keep wondering, how would this change have affected Nixon?
I don't think he would have had to turn over the Watergate tapes which means he wouldn't have been impeached. It was only because of those tapes did Republicans (who were patriots at the time and put nation over party) decided to vote for impeachment.
Given that today's Republicans put themselves first, party second, and the nation third or worse, I think they wouldn't vote to convict even if the charge was murder.
Saw this at Facebook. Interesting! I'm going to keep these in mind.
In the Trump cult world of make-believe, if something is against Trump, then by definition it must be corrupt and biased. No thought is ever given to the fact that it is Trump who is corrupt, to the core.
Like all cults, the Trump cult must create an alternate universe in order to make any sense out of what Trump says and does. The same thing happened with the Jim Jones cult, the Scientology cult, the Putin cult, and the Hitler cult. To do otherwise, the cult member must admit that their cult leader is flawed beyond redemption.Let us not forget, Trump tried to steal an election from a duly elected president and there was not a peaceful transfer of power. Trump has a screw loose in his brain where he can't accept losing. And now the SCOTUS wants to grant him immunity because it was an official act while he was president plotting the whole sick scheme.
If those Conservative Justices were as senile as they claim Biden is, there ruling would be forgivable because they know not what they have done.
But they aren't senile (and neither is Biden) so they turned the Presidency into a office above the law - ON PURPOSE! That cannot be forgiven, EVER.
I opposed expanding the Court previously. But no more. If Biden can manage to win and the Senate remains Democratic, then they need to let Biden appoint at least five new Justices.
I was on the fence about losing the filibuster. But no more. It needs to be done away with.
I was never opposed to term limits for Justices. They need to be established.
I was never opposed to Forcing those arrogant assholes to follow the same Code of Ethics that all other judges are required to follow. That needs to be put in place forthwith.
We can never let the Supreme Court so damage America again as this one has.
The Conservatives on the Supreme Court bent over backwards to keep Trump out of jail with their ruling that he can commit murder, if he does it the way they told him he should, and not be prosecuted for it. But, I don't think it will fly with the Documents case.
Convicted felon and sexual predator Trump can now claim immunity from illegally taking national security documents from the White House and throwing them into unsecured storage at his golf club. That is now a given.
What he is not immune from is not giving them back when the gov't told him to and then obstructing the investigation into what is basically theft of gov't property.
That said, I don't see how Jack Smith can move ahead with his insurrection trial since the evidence of that is now protected. Imagine that. A President can easily and out in the open cause an insurrection and get away with it as convicted fraudster Trump probably will now.
In fact, if Smith and his team can't quickly find a path forward, I think they need to publicly drop the case explaining to anyone who will listen that the Conservatives on Supreme Court effectively gave Trump (and any other President) full immunity for his actions while in office. Maybe THAT will scare enough voters badly enough to keep Trump out of the White House.Bottom line: The republicans should have done what they did when Nixon broke the law: impeach and determine to convict him. But these republicans have no character.
While time has change. People have change. Character has change. Party lines is changing. The Democrat Party under Ms Pelosi has not changed under the party leadership. Besides both the Democrat and the Republican as the two major party lines, others like the Conservatives a minor group are moving with the times. No one is dumb. All are speaking politics.
Yes, times have changed,
Yes, people (the individuals) have changed
I disagree that people's character has changed, you have the same types of characters throughout history.
Party lines have always changed over time. The Democrats have been relatively the same since 1995. The Republicans changed to, I don't know what, in 2015.
While there is a "Conservative" party somewhere out there, conservativism has not changed, it has always been oppressive. Likewise, there is a "Liberal" party somewhere out there, but liberalism (with two branches, economic and social) has always been the same whose basic philosophy is "anybody can do whatever they want so long as it hurts no one else or the planet.Unfortunately, the liberal has changed just as has the conservative. The basic philosophy has become twofold: "give me all your earnings so I can give it to someone else" and "I can do what I want as long as I hurt no one...and you must support me in that endeavor whether you wish to or not". Both have left centerline and become radical fringes, both have left mainstream Americans behind, and both require that everyone else follow their line of thinking with no recourse for what those that disagree want.
Sorry, only the Republicans have left centerline and become a radical fringe.
So the Conservatives are still a force to be recogned with in the polity?
President Truman initiated a civil rights movement to give equal opportunity to blacks. The southern democrats (Dixiecrats) were against Truman and his policies. As soon as Lyndon Baines Johnson passed the Civil Rights movement, the Dixiecrats jumped ship and became republicans. He said, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”
This became the start of the southern conservatives and gave birth to the Tea Party movement which merged with The States Right Movement from Truman's Civil Rights policies. .
They were against Obama and had a faction that was against blacks. This morphed into what is now called The Freedom Caucus in the House of Representatives.
They are avid Trump supporters and against everything that Biden and the democratic party have done or will ever do. They are mainly made up of rich millionaire young politicians who have no governing background.
They think their job is to have hearings against the other party and expel those even in their own party who don't agree with their agenda.. I believe this is giving too much power to those who place party above country.There are very few congressmen/women, IMO, that do NOT place party above country. The excuse, of course, is that the party knows what is best for the country, and so does the right thing, and thus needs all the power that it can garner in order to fend off the evils of the opposing party.
Transparent as glass of course, but that doesn't stop the insanity.Yes the Party knows what is best for THEM.
For instance, if the Party was interested in what is best for AMERICANS we would not see headlines like this:
House Dems launch united effort to BLOCK election bill requiring voters to prove American citizenship (SAVE Act)
That of course, is unfair to the 20 to 30 million non-citizens living in our country and receiving support from our government, they should be allowed to vote to try and get themselves MORE support and privileges because they live here too.
Technically, every person in the world has the ability to come and live in America, so everyone should have a say in who is President regardless of where they live or if they are a American citizen.
We have Mail In Ballots allowed in several States, with efforts to make it all States... so, does it matter?
When you are sending out tens of millions of ballots, you have no way of knowing who filled them out, or why even (maybe they got paid a hundred bucks to hand over their ballot). You no longer have a valid election process.I would have gone with 'conspiracy theory' myself.
There is no such thing... this is my reality, and you need to respect it.
Those are the rules your side has made... and I plan on playing by them.
Also, from now on, you will address me as Grand Master Poo-bah.
I expect all correspondence to my posts from here on out, to start with:
My benevolent and supreme Grand Master Poo-bah...
Thank you in advance for your co-operation.
Or House Democrats and the White House might have been against this language in the bill:
-The bill allows for a private right of action against an election official who registers an applicant to vote in a federal election who fails to present documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.
-The bill also establishes criminal penalties for registering an applicant to vote in a federal election who fails to present documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.
And isn't it already law that you must be a citizen to vote in federal elections? So, what this bill was actually doing was attacking election workers - not protecting the right to vote. Just the latest example of Republicans trying to attack their own citizens and the election workers that are relied on so heavily to safeguard our elections.And they totally ignore (on purpose) that this not now, nor has it EVER been an issue except in their own warped mind. The substantiated incidents of non-citizens voting is about as close to zero as you can get without it actually being zero.
They use the Goebbels Big Lie approach to make it seem like it happens a lot in places where Republicans lose.
History only supports that conclusion about radical Conservatives (which is all the Republican Party is today) and radical progressives (which is not what mainstream Democrats are.)
So the conservative judges, who freed Trump and other presidents to be from criminal acts, placed themselves above the country? Seriously, ol' joe biden is still complaing! What, is the law pervert? The Judiciary is independent from both the the Executive and Parliament. Each has separate and well defined power. I still think the Senate, as the highest law making body can put a president to submission, if the president acts overboard notwithstanding Chief Justice Roberts judgement.
That is the theory. The Senate has never held a President accountable, no matter how much they deserved it. Three come to mind, Johnson in 1868, Trump in 2019, and Trump again in 2021. (Clinton didn't deserve it and was impeached out of spite, much like the Republicans are trying to do to Biden today.)
In each case, today's Republicans (in 1868, they are called Democrats) saved their man, although in 2021 it was only by three votes, 57 to 43.
It is now more important that ever that the public elect an honest man like Biden rather than a proven criminal like Trump.
The common thread in all of these is that it is Conservatives who did bad things, Johnson and Trump as president and as congressmen in impeaching Clinton.
Even the pro-life movement was created out of racism. Look it up.
Mie57: I did it for you, everything you wanted to about pro life and racism but were afraid to ask.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … ns-107133/
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/05/21450/
https://churchandstate.org.uk/2018/07/t … alk-about/
Wilderness: I am a liberal and I don't believe any of those statements. Generalizations are dangerous and not a little ignorant. You know better.
In a democracy, non-citizens residing in an alien land couldn't vote for the alien government. But they can vote for candidates of they country, with the aid of their Embassy or Diplomatic Missions, or High Commissions.
Donald Trump's besties are looking to help him win in 2024, just like they did in 2016 - Russians on the March and not just in Ukraine.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics … index.htmlThis story makes you wonder about some of the more extreme Trump supporters on this site. Who are they really and where did they go?
Is this just a simple coincidence or part of the Russian plot? And that, my friends is how a conspiracy theory is born.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics … index.htmlThe Problem with the "Russian plot" and with Jan 6th... and how the key people involved were manipulated by agents to act and riot as they did.
https://marisol-nostromo.medium.com/ame … 3cdf1b1181
Some people knew what was to come:
Despite Trump’s outbursts of bellicosity toward Russia and other neocon targets, Trump was portrayed as being “soft,” an appeaser, or an outright enemy agent.
The Democratic Party, which is considered to be the more liberal of the two parties and had in decades past expressed some nominal opposition to military adventures in Vietnam and elsewhere, swung way to the right of the Republicans.
Although the corporate press continued to depict Trump as a fanatical right-winger in coverage intended for the rubes, within the citadels of neoconservatism he was regarded as something entirely different. On September 30, 2020, the Atlantic published another revelatory article entitled “What a Second Trump Term Would Mean for the World.”
Following the D.C. riots on January 6, 2021, the neocons gleefully seized upon this latest traumatic event as an opportunity to institute appallingly broad censorship, even going so far as to silence the President on social media, along with an impressive array of others from across the entire political spectrum.
Overall it is a good read.
https://theamericansun.com/2020/06/04/a … evolution/
The first sentence says it all, but overall also a decent read.
It was bound to happen eventually. The CIA/State’s color revolution process has found its way back home.
I also like this:
In a normal world with feedback mechanisms that had give and take, the Bernie and Trump campaigns would have warned the elite that they needed to respond to the millions of upset natives. They saw those expressions of frustration as a sign that the destruction of the heartland and the old stock must be accelerated.
The Biden Administration has been nothing, if not the embodiment of the sentiment found in that last sentence.Once again, here is Trump's treasonous statement while looking directly at Putin as he through the American intelligence community under the bus.
"Trump: ‘I don’t see any reason why’ Russia would have interfered with election"
Finally, somebody got smart and asked the Justice Department to criminally investigate Clarence Thomas (and maybe his wife) for what I personally believe to be bribes for favorable decisions that he didn't report.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … =shoreline"...for what I personally believe to be bribes for favorable decisions that he didn't report."
You must have some information and evidence that I have not seen at all to make such a statement. What have you come across in the form of hard evidence (not simply "I don't like the man") that would support such a statement?Like you use "hard evidence" for your claims, like the border is open when it is not.
Also, when I disagree with one of your beliefs, I present evidence that refutes it. Where is your evidence that all those gifts were not bribes or, since he didn't disclose them, that he received no gifts at all?
Also, he has received millions of dollars from that Republican operative yet he won't recuse himself from any cases where that person is involved. You do the math.Then you have no evidence outside of your personal dislike for the man? You don't like his decisions, so set the justice dept. on him because of what you "personally believe to be bribes for favorable decisions" and don't []need[/i] evidence to make the conclusion?
Fascinating, to say the least. It was done to Trump; Thomas is the next victim of the liberal weaponization of our justice system. Will it end before every Republican is in jail? Stay tuned!What does my "dislike" have to with anything. I see that he has taken lots a money from conservative operatives and I see that he won't recuse himself from cases involving them. I know you have a hard time connecting dots, but for me it easy to see the connection.
And Trump was guilty, wasn't he.
It seems Trump's hero Putin is going around trying to assassinate people who help Ukraine, such as the German CEO of an arms manufacturer.
Germany found out about it because American intelligence told them about it; something that may not happen under Trump because he said he wants to cut back or stop sharing intelligence with our allies.
While Trump is a very serious threat to America, he is also a very real threat to the world. Why ANYONE would vote for this criminal is beyond me and a sign of extremely poor judgement, a weak mind, senility, and the like. He is SO bad that it would be better to have Biden in the mental state they falsely believe he is in rather than a demented and insane Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics … index.htmlIt is interesting that anyone not agreeing with you is "extremely poor judgement, a weak mind, senility, and the like".
The very concept that someone else might look at Biden's actual actions (and Trump's) rather than what the media portrays, and find Trump superior in action to the losing, ignorant and downright stupid actions of Biden seems foreign to your mindset. But foreign or not, that does not make those people weak minded, senile or even of poor judgement; on the contrary your opinion seems to say that about you rather than those that disagree with you.Lots of people don't agree with me and I don't think that of them. Only the people who chose to vote for somebody so clearly against America's interests as Trump is. Remember, he led an insurrection against Biden.
Even IF Biden was losing, ignorant, and downright stupid (and of course he is none of those things) he would still be the better choice for president. At least he will do right by America and Americans.I do remember the gross exaggerations and lies about "leading an insurrection". Not sure Trump is responsible in the slightest for those exaggerations and lies of others, though.
The only thing Biden can do right is to sell out America to other countries and peoples. He's pretty good at that one.And of course you know better than a bunch of judges who said in one forum or another that Trump led that insurrection. Something I am beginning to think you believe didn't even happen.
And again, you are projecting Trump on to Biden. Biden didn't say ""I have president Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be," President Trump said, standing at podium side-by-side with the Russian president during a joint press conference Putin in Helsinki, Finland.", Trump spoke those words that many Americans saw as treason; I certainly did.I don't doubt you took Trump's words as treasonous; were he to blow his nose or tell is wife "I love you" it would likely be treason in your eyes. Such is the life of a true Trump Hater that can think of nothing else.
I assume you call yourself a true patriot. What is amazing is that a true patriot would ignore a statement that aided and abetted an enemy that was attacking us on many fronts (just not with soldiers). That they would imply it was perfectly innocent and maybe even praiseworthy. That a statement that through the entire American intelligence establishment under the bus is equivalent to saying "I love you" to your wife.
I am sorry, that is not my definition of a true patriot.Does a true patriot try to stop a crime, a takeover of the US government? Trump did, even if his conclusions about the need were false.
And for that he is called treasonous, an insurgent and the leader of insurrection. By "true patriots" that will do and say anything at all to keep him from the White House...because he talks mean and is not a statesman. He has had the entire justice weaponized against him by the "true patriots" violating the very root of that system. People that agree with his primary call are hassled by "true patriots" trying to shut down anyone thinking differently than they do.
Not sure I want to be classified with "true patriots" if they are walking that road...Once again, you are projecting Trump on to Biden. You know as well as I that it is Trump who is committing crimes like fraud and sexual assault. Do you actually deny that? It is Trump who tried, and is trying again to overthrow the government.
It is Trump who weaponized the Justice system, not Biden! As I said, you are projecting.
As to "shutting down", you projected once again. It isn't the Democratic Party who is throwing out and ostracizing its members who don't agree with Biden, it the Republicans who are doing that to anybody who dare say one cross word against Trump.
It is Biden who has put America back together again after Trump laid waste to it.
Hopefully, one day, you will join us in the real world.There you go, something that is technically correct, for a change.
If you define 'government' as the Democrat Party and its allies in DC...
And you define "overthrow' as use the electoral process as it was designed and meant to work, Constitutionally, to take power from them.
I...
I am really interested to see your explanation for that sentence.
I'm trying...
I'm really trying...
You guys make it so hard to do...
I'd have to check my sanity at the door of entry....You cannot show a single instance of Trump trying to "overthrow the government"...outside of your own overactive imagination.
We both know who has set the system against Trump, and it isn't Trump.
Right. It is Republicans, stopping at restaurants to hassle those wearing MAGA hats. You can believe that if you wish; I do not.More lies. The fake electors plot that originated with Trump's people, specifically Ken Cheseboro, was designed to get the electoral vote halted and then kicked to state governments where the GOP had the advantage. Trump invented the claims of fraud to achieve that halting of the electoral count. Additionally, we all heard the call of Trump telling Raffensperger exactly how many votes he wanted to find and then threatening them with legal jeopardy if they maintained their stance.
I am surprised you didn't know this but Trump's insurrection on Jan 6 is THE singular example. You may choose to ignore what most Americans know to be true, but Trump tried to overthrow the gov't and stop Biden from becoming president.
Trump has committed so many real and potential crimes, it only looks like the system is against Trump, but they are ONLY DOING their job. It is Trump's fault that people are trying to hold him accountable.
In one poll, 65% of Americans think the charges against are serious.
62% of Republicans (down from 75%, I think) still foolishly believe Biden is not the legitimate President. That shows you how brainwashed these people are.
55% of voters said the insurrection was an attack on democracy, which I am guess you are in the minority.
53% of Americans think Trump bears a great deal or a good amount of responsibility for the insurrection. Again, I suspect you are in the minority.
From a ChatGPS response (saves time looking up polls):
As of recent surveys, a significant portion of Americans hold former President Donald Trump responsible for the January 6th insurrection. According to a Pew Research Center survey, about 70% of Democrats believe Trump bears a lot of responsibility for the events, although this is down from 81% in the previous year. Among Republicans, the percentage who think Trump bears a lot of responsibility has decreased from 18% to 10% (Pew Research Center).
Another poll conducted by The Washington Post and the University of Maryland found that 53% of respondents believe Trump deserves a great deal or a good amount of blame for the January 6th events. However, 45% think he deserves just some or no blame at all (NY1). (that means a lot of Republicans think he deserves SOME blame[)/i]
These figures illustrate the significant partisan divide in perceptions of Trump's responsibility for the January 6th insurrection.[/i] Meaning the brainwashed vs the non-brainwashed.I doubt that even you believe Trump tried to instigate an insurrection to overthrow the American government, armed with a flagpole and a fire extinguisher. You aren't that stupid.
Which means you know better, just as the huge majority of Americans do, it just fits your agenda to claim otherwise.We do love it when you omit so many key details of that day to offer a failed re-write of history in Trump's favor. It's actually really comical. Thanks for the entertainment.
They have to do that to keep their sanity. Accepting the truth would shatter their whole make-believe world.
Why can't you stick to the facts rather than make believe with your "HUGE majority" nonsense?
Here, I will give you another chance to read the facts:
In one poll, 65% of Americans think the charges against are serious.
62% of Republicans (down from 75%, I think) still foolishly believe Biden is not the legitimate President. That shows you how brainwashed these people are.
55% of voters said the insurrection was an attack on democracy, which I am guess you are in the minority.
53% of Americans think Trump bears a great deal or a good amount of responsibility for the insurrection. Again, I suspect you are in the minority.
From a ChatGPS response (saves time looking up polls):
As of recent surveys, a significant portion of Americans hold former President Donald Trump responsible for the January 6th insurrection. According to a Pew Research Center survey, about 70% of Democrats believe Trump bears a lot of responsibility for the events, although this is down from 81% in the previous year. Among Republicans, the percentage who think Trump bears a lot of responsibility has decreased from 18% to 10% (Pew Research Center).
Another poll conducted by The Washington Post and the University of Maryland found that 53% of respondents believe Trump deserves a great deal or a good amount of blame for the January 6th events. However, 45% think he deserves just some or no blame at all (NY1). (that means a lot of Republicans think he deserves SOME blame[)/i]
These figures illustrate the significant partisan divide in perceptions of Trump's responsibility for the January 6th insurrection.[/i] Meaning the brainwashed vs the non-brainwashed.I will return the compliment by saying you can't be so stupid as to believe all those police who were hurt or died due to the violence didn't actually get hurt or die, that it is all made up. Or, are you suggesting that loud voices from the peaceful protestors did all that mayhem and damage.
Not a thing, it is only getting worse by the day. He is unravelling before our eyes.
You talk about Biden not being able to string two sentences together, will Trump does worse and he lies while he is loudly fumbling around.MyExoteric, where in this or other forums I 'talk' biden 'not able to string two sentences together'? Where? Um.
The "you" was a global "you" and not pointed at you. I could have said "Everyone talks about ...." and in American it means the same thing.
Someone tried to assassinate Trump today. While they did hit him, it was not serious.
Like Biden said, I deplore such violence but given the fear Trump has instilled in many Americans, it can be understood.
I am assuming this is some left-wing radical (although it did cross my mind that Trump might have set this up to garner sympathy, I wouldn't put it past him). I feel that were it not for the Republicans insistence that anybody who wants one can get a gun tied to Trump's hate-filled and violent rhetoric, this would not have happened.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ … index.htmlMan, everyone throwing out their conspiracies.
Yeah... that makes sense.
Trump had some guy out there he knew was a good shot, yeah...
And then he told the guy just graze him enough to draw blood...
And then, and then yeah, then they just say the guy was killed, they kill him before the authorities can get to him, yeah!!!
That's it... Trump faked it!!!
Its all lies! You are so right!
Can't Trust Trump he is EVIL!!!Why should Ex- President Donald Trump shot himself around the ear and the Secret Service agent throw themselves upon him as a cover? That's very dangerous in reality. The thing is that they's an actual assasination attempt, on Trump's life. Question: Why didn't the secret service shot the assasinator in the leg or arm to capture him to get why the attempt? The 20 years old guy is regirtered to vote as a Rep. But was on the side of the Dem?
Sympathy vote.
Police in America are trained to shoot center of mass, meaning the chest area, so as to maximize the chance of neutralizing the subject. What amazes me is how poor a shot most city police are for you hear time and time again that they shot 20, 30, 40, 50 bullets at someone, only to hit them once or twice. I doubt that is true of the FBI or Secret Service.The Secret Seruice agent on probability is more and can be highly interlligent than the Police. Why then can't a single shot can't neutralized the 20 years old guy?
They are currently reporting that the shooter is a 20-year old Thomas Matthew Crooks from a well-to-do White neighborhood about an hour south. Ironically, he registered as a Republican but, in full disclosure, gave $15 to a Democratic PAC. So, he apparently wasn't, as I assumed, some left-wing radical. Instead, he was an upstanding White dude with a screw loose.
What worries me most in the days to come is the potential violent reaction from the military-wing of MAGA. I fully expect several bodies to fall, hopefully their own, as they seek revenge.
I also worry very much about the sympathy vote. One Republican law maker already said this attempt puts the election in the bag for felon and sexual predator Trump. Instead of shooting Trump, this guy just may have shot the Nation in the heart.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/us/trump … index.htmlI just looked an arial photo of the scene and find it remarkable that the Secret Service didn't have someone located on the roof where the shooter fired from. Judging from the picture, that building is the ONLY place someone could get a clear shot at the stage Trump as on.
Based on the initial reporting, I thought that someone in the crowd was using a pistol of some sort. Now it seems he had to use a rifle although the authorities are keeping that a secret.
(Now any good conspiracy theorists worth their salt would take that the fact that the building was left uncovered for some strange reason and that they are hiding the weapon and start spreading rumors that Biden and the FBI were behind this) - Spoiler alert, there are few people on this forum who, like Sheldon Cooper from the Big Bang Theory, are insensitive to sarcasm. Well, that was sarcasm.The reports I've seen (from news outlets) are that an AR style rifle was used, from about 200-300 yards away. For all I know, though, that "determination" could have been made from the sound of the shots.
Speaking of Conspiracy Theories, they are already beginning:
"Authorities push back on claim Trump requested additional security and was denied"
"At least one lawmaker, Rep. Mike Waltz of Florida, has publicly claimed on social media that Trump’s requests for heightened security were rejected."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ … a2e1ba39b8
I find it very interesting that many of those on the right only let certain words that are written make it through their filters which leads to such nonsense comments as was just written.
"A Pennsylvania senate candidate who witnessed the attempt on former President Donald Trump’s life on Saturday described the scene as “very scary” and called on the nation to dial down political rhetoric." Which means Trump needs to stop lying and cut out his hate speech designed to brainwash his followers.
Trump must be given additional or extra Secret Service protection, as a former Head Of State and Commander-In-Chief. But whether the FBI and or biden is/are behind all these or not, the proper thing is to investigate the question, and bring those involved to Justice. Seriously, one person died. Two are critically ill. Trump who is the target is 'fine' now. Why then crazy persons should now began to point search-light on Trump-talk-tactics as if that was the bullet fired by Thomas Crook? People don't mind all the hate-talks against Trump, by other parties, bv now still continue to blame the tragic scenario on Trump's political speechs or otherwise! OMG this is awful and worst than the murder and assasination attemp on Trump's life!
Hate has no loyalty, Miebakagh57!! Hate is a wandering vagabond looking for the discontent, the insecure, the weak of mind, and some say the clueless.
You have to realize that it is Trump's violent-laced rhetoric that set the stage in America for something like this to happen. It was his words that led the Jan 6 insurrection. It is his worlds that have 61% of Republicans thinking Trump should be president today.
To understand why things happen, you have to look behind the curtain and peel back the onion. (redundant, I know, but I like both phrases.)
Crook did not operate in a vacuum. Some set of events led him to conclude this was necessary. What were those events. The one that jumps out at everybody is Trumps' rhetoric.The ball is now in Trump's court at the GOP convention. He has the opportunity to bring the country together or divide it even further. I suspect he will divide it further, based on his ongoing hate rhetoric of the other side. He will blame Biden and his supporters for all of this.
Verbal hate speech has consequences and this is the price we pay for it. The 2nd amendment gives the right to anybody to bear arms, including the mentally ill and this is the price we pay for that freedom.
I suspect the gun toting conservatives are going to arm themselves even further. Strap yourselves in and prepare for a civil war. It could be the end of our Democratic Republic as Trump is crowned King. He has already said he wants a military tribunal for Liz Cheney and he is seeking revenge for all his adversaries. Welcome to Project 2025.
https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-f … nistrationWell, that didn't take long! I wondered how long it would be until Trump was blamed for a madman shooting him, thinking perhaps a week or so.
It took just two days, much quicker that expected. As a bonus we get blame put on the Constitution and a "suspicion" that conservatives that own guns (but not gun owning liberals) will now start a civil war.
The liberal mind is truly a fascinating thing to watch. It reminds me of an Escher "realitivity" print that has come to life and moving.
(No, PP, you cannot pin this on Trump. It is coming straight from the years long effort by liberals to stop Donald Trump at any cost, coupled with the accompanying rhetoric about how evil Trump is, how he destroyed democracy, how he is traitorous, how he instigated an insurrection, etc.)"No, PP, you cannot pin this on Trump. It is coming straight from the years long effort by liberals to stop Donald Trump at any cost."
Now that's bull sh@t at the highest levels, in my opinion.You absolutely can. Since you appear to agree with Trump's hate speech, it doesn't strike you as wrong. But, for the rest of us, his words have real consequences and this is one of them.
You go ahead an vote for a criminal and sexual pervert, and I will vote for comment good man.Wilderness:
They say no one is above the law and presidents take an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution... except for Trump and his minions
He and his high paid lawyers have made a mockery of our criminal justice system by not accepting that he lost an election and even tried to steal it from the duly elected president. To this day, he and his supporters think the election was stolen from Trump.
He stacked the supreme court and he seduced them into seeking immunity from all his criminal acts He claims that he is innocent of all charges. If that is the case why does he need to seek immunity?
They say all presidents lie, but not to the extent, intensity and vitriol that Trump displays, over 30,000 documented lies and counting. He calls it truthful hyperbole. (From his Art of Deal).
There has to be accountability for his actions or he will set a precedent for those who he spawns as his supporters. His agenda from the beginning of his first campaign with Hillary was to divide and conquer this country. He started out by defaming all his opponents by giving them dehumanizing names. First days in office he defined the MSM as fake news and Fox and it cohorts as the real news. if you look at where we are today, I would say he has been very successful.
Did you even look at Project 2025? It's as close as one can get to a take over of this country and our government. If that was too long for you to read, here is a summary.
https://globalextremism.org/wp-content/ … -Sheet.pdfNone of these exaggerations or fibs have anything at all to do with blaming Trump for the actions of a mentally ill person listening to the violent rhetoric of liberals.
Sorry, PP, but a piece of paper cannot "take over" this country or government. That takes violence and force (never yet saw a piece of paper that could force anything) and that means people. And yes, I've see that declaration...and approve of much (but not all) of it.Wilderness: You said liberals have been taking years long efforts to stop Trump and they are the reason for the shooing. My point is everything I have covered in my comments is why the liberals are after Trump and those statements are facts not exaggerations as you say..
You say a piece of paper cannot take over a country, How about The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights? Those are all words on paper and they are laws. If Project 2025 is implemented those words on those papers become law, especially with a Trump controlled congress.
Project 2025 is a manifesto to do just that. It gives Trump and company tremendous power over all three branches of government. The 2nd amendment gives everybody the right to bear arms. It was intended to protect the colonies against tyranny. We are just a step away from Trump and his supporter looking at his adversary as tyrannous enemy...Wouldn't it be ironic if Trump tried to limit ownership of guns to Conservatives.
God only knows what Trump is going to do next. I don't think he is going to have a Come to Jesus moment. Whatever it is it will be guided by his extreme narcissism. Wisconsin is an open carry state. A state license is not even required. Let's see how that plays out as all his supporters check their guns at the front doors of the convention. The magnetometers will probably being going off like crazy.
You're right - a piece of paper cannot take over a country. It takes people willing to apply force to do that. You mention the Constitution as such a paper, but the paper did nothing but lie there; it was people that died fighting the war, it was people that applied force.
If enough ipeople like Project 2025, and the naysayers will not compromise with them, they they well may use force to get what they want. But the paper still lies there, dead and still, while people fight and die.
Personally I find Biden and his cohorts as a tyrannous enemy, giving away our resources to illegal aliens, to foreign countries. He is on the verge of creating WWIII, and is spending our country blind. He is NOT operating as a President; he IS operating as a liberal out to support the world at our expense. Treasonous, then, when others take priority.
So excuse me when I brush aside claims that Trump, with his efforts to Make America Great, is called a traitor.Without the ideas given to us by the Declaration of Independence, there would have been no War of Independence. The words on that paper did that - just as Trump's words, written or otherwise, drove his army to the Capitol to violently breech it..
If Trumps words (march peacefully) drove his "army" (whatever that gross exaggeration is supposed to mean) then it is beyond obvious that Biden's words (Trump is a major threat to our democracy) drove the madman to shoot Trump.
Accept one you must accept the other.He said "fight like hell", what, 18 times during the speech and a throw-away line "march peacefully" only once. Yet you focus on the meaningless "peaceful" term while totally ignoring the rest of the violence in the speech. That doesn't surprise me, however.
Did Biden call that idiot to the roof? No, he didn't. Did Trump call his army to the Capitol, YES HE DID. So no, I don't have to accept one and not the other, it simply wouldn't be logical.Not to you, no. It would not be logical; nothing that even hints about letting Trump off the hook is. True or not, it is not "logical".
To others, those that look at things with an unbiased mind, it is pretty obvious Biden's words about Trump were far more inflammatory than Trump's words on Jan 6. To honest people, then, if one is true then the other is as well.You got to be kidding me. I should accept the fact that you can't argue with a delusional person, so I will stop here.
Compared to Trump, the liberals effectively do not issue violent rhetoric. Granted, one or two who are as radical as Trump might, but Trump speaks to and for millions.
I have never understood how someone can honestly draw a distinction between an object and how a human uses that object, be it a gun or the Constitution. The fatal flaw is that the two are inexorably linked. If the object didn't exist, then humans could use it for good or bad. But if it exists, then it becomes an extension of the human when it is used.It's really simple. An object is not alive; there is no life force and it cannot do a single thing by itself. Only when a human uses it. And no, a baseball bat is not an "extension of the human" when used; it remains a baseball bat no matter how hard that human grips it. Tools are not an "extension" of our body.
Wilderness: It is not just a matter of griping the baseball bat. The batter is adjusting his body to use the bat to hit the ball. The bat has become an extension of what he is doing with his entire body to hit the ball.
When a firearm is picked up by a person to shoot something, that gun becomes a part of them, because they have to shoulder or grasp the gun, use their eyes along with the gun sight to point it at the target and pull the trigger to release the round as it travels to hit what they are pointing at as an extension of body and mind. There is also a recoil that has to accounted for by adjusting the body to absorb that force..
Studies show that when we use tools, our brains light up in ways that suggest these objects are indeed extensions of our bodies. It’s not just metaphorical; it’s neurologically real!
https://link.springer.com/article/10.37 … 21-02032-6Sorry, PP, but inanimate objects are not a part of our body to the point that they can be called "wrong" or "evil". Yes, we refer to them being a part, but those items carry no blood, they have no nerves and they are not alive. They are not created by our body (like fingernails or hair) and they may not have even ever been alive.
So while we do say "become the bat" for instance, we do not mean that in a literal manner, and without that we cannot assign attributes to the unliving object that only humans possess.Wilderness: We don't become the bat. We use the bat as an extension of ourselves to perform a task. The chimpanzees that use a twig to bring ants to their mouth don't become the twig. They are using it to perform a task. That is called a tool. A gun is an inanimate object by definition. It only becomes a tool when it is used by a human being to perform a task. The same as screwdriver or a toothbrush. Whether a tool is used for good or evil is a value judgement placed on it by human beings. When a gun is used to perform a task by a human being it is called a temporary tool embodiment. This goes for any tool, not just guns.
Here is what science says about temporary tool embodiment by humans.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.37 … 21-02032-6
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie … body-parts
https://www.livescience.com/9664-brain- … -body.htmlAnd tools are not alive - that goes without saying. They have no life (unless you want to count sled dogs, war elephants, horses being ridden, etc.).
Great. The first paragraph of the first link says that our body changes as we use tools (irrefutable; if nothing else the hand holding the hammer clenches) and it is called tool embodiment.
Giving a tool a silly name, one meaning something other than what is truth, is not the mark of an honest person. I didn't bother to read the rest of the nonsense, for all of their "embodiment" in the world will not bring that baseball bat to life.Wilderness: It's not about clenching the hammer. It is about using the hammer to serve its intended purpose by a human being. When the human uses the hammer to drive a nail into the wood, the hammer is being used for its intended purpose. It has nothing to do with good or evil.
You are tap dancing because you are afraid to accept that guns have an intended purpose to be used by humans to shoot a projectile at something, Therefore your definition of a gun stops at inanimate object, not at what the human uses it for. That's why you bring up good or evil
I used to be a hunter with by dad. When I used a gun to shoot something, I always felt it was an extension of my will and power to send a projecting at something. Was it good or evil? That's for the judge to decide.
I am also a woodworker and woodcarver. It I'm using power tools, I have to become one with the tool to ensure my safety. If I am carving I have to become one with the object I am carving to be able to sense the grain of the wood to make the proper cut. When I am sharping a tool I have to understand it's construction, whether it is a chisel or a gouge. I become one with the tool and the tool for sharping. So if that is not good enough for you then you can kiss my a$$ and stop your definition of a tool at before it is used for it's intended purpose and whether it is used for good or evil..'I didn't bother to read the rest of the nonsense' Thanks, wilderness, for saving your breath and time for other things. But, I did digest more of the nonsensense, because I've not come across such a read in my life. They're food for my thoughts.
Thanks for the links. But the tools are still inanimated entities, not yet confirmed as an extension of the body part. It's a psychological concept. But if an arm or other body part is missing, and a doctor or surgeon worked an artificial arm or leg, or any other bodily part into the body, then, only then, it becomes an extension of the body. Nevertheless, still a temporarily one. The theory that tools like tooth brush, are an extension of our body, is noise to seek for reputation.
Sorry, your logic must fail. Given the definition some (not me) give, that artificial arm is still an inanimate object and will never become part of the body. It cannot take on the life force of the person it is attached to, just like a bat or a gun or a piece of paper. None can influence a human.
'Sorry' too. I qualfied my statement with:...'Nevertheless, still a temporarily one'. This shows that my post have substance. Read it in whole again without taking out any context.
Said another way, without the bat, the ball would not have been hit.
Without the gun, the person wouldn't have been shot.
Without the Declaration of Independence, there would have been no America.
Without the Marx Manifesto, there would have been no communism.
Interesting studies, btw.
I had another thought. Let's say pornographic videos were laying around for any child to pick. Since they are just an object with no good or evil attached to it, an inanimate object, that is OK.
Or worse, a pedophile shows the video to a child, then same story, just like the gun or bat, nothing bad is associated with it, it is benign.They is or was America, before ever Christopher Columbus sighted and landed on the country. Other people including the British and Europeans follow later. The Decleration of Independence is the right or rather the assertion to prevent the British dominion of the relatively young and civilizing country from British dominion and exploitation. America, God's own country? God save America!
What you don't want to understand is that the human gives it life. Once used by humans, it gains a life force while they are using the object.
Sure thing. Now explain just what a human does to give an inanimate piece of iron, steel and wood "life"...and just what that "life" consists of.
This argument is beyond silly. We do not have the ability or knowledge to give a "life force" to any inanimate, dead object. If we could you can bet there would be an awful lot of zombies (dead brought back to life) walking the earth today.
PP, this whole discussion borders on insanity. I can't believe I'm having to argue that a baseball bat is not a living, breathing organism capable of reproduction. You and Eso maintain your fantasy as you wish; I'm out of here.If you can't figure out the simple logic by now, you never will.
Oh, I got the logic. It is that if we can call a gun "alive" then it can cause death, be evil and should be taken away.
Just doesn't work for anyone with a brain.Wilderness: Who is calling a gun alive, certainly not me?
He likes to put words in your mouth and make things up.
I wonder if his near-death experience ends up being his low point and he gets better after this. Something like that can really change a person. That said, I seriously doubt it will do anything more than make an already unstable, mentally ill narcissist even worse.
More denialism. Trump has been promoting political violence for eight years. And then he gets shot by a registered Republican. PP's dots line up more than Wilderness' do.
Post shooting, Republicans fault Biden’s past rhetoric about Trump
See, I told you it wouldn't take long before Republicans try to blame Biden for the attack on Trump. It is all projection trying to lay Trump's violent rhetoric and endless lies on Biden. But the public won't buy it. They know who is really at fault - Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics … index.html'They know who is really at fault- Trump'. That's the greatest lie ever told to the world. In a failed attempted against a former USA president life, the CNN writes rubish. 'In the moment after the failed assassination attempt at Trump's rally', why not say at Trump's life, because Trump was the target.
Amazing!!! I just read that a spectator told law enforcement about someone climbing up to the roof. (This we already knew.) It turns out that an officer went up to the roof, saw the guy, but ducked back down when Crooks pointed his rifle at him.
Now the question, how much time went by before Crooks began firing.AS EXPECTED, Trump's judge Cannon declared that the use of a Special Council is unconstitutional. Part of her reason was that it hadn't past judicial muster. She was oblivious, therefore, to the substantial case law since Clinton that has been developed. It is so solid, that no one every appealed it to the Supreme Court.
Now it will be after the 11th Circuit slaps her down again. But, given the Conservatives obvious hatred of the Executive Branch in doing the job the Constitution and Congress gives it, it will probably uphold Cannon's misguided decision. They already have one vote, Justice Thomas, although none of the others concurred with his opinion.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics … index.htmlAnd as usual your "facts" are completely false. Cannon did NOT say that " the use of a Special Council is unconstitutional". Please! Try to get your facts straight.
Lies, Lies, and More Lies from Republicans (not surprising since that is all they seem to know how to do) on the first day of their convention. My apologies for such a long list, but what can you do?
Trump once again claimed the 2020 election was not secure. - A LIE. His on DHS said it was the most secure election ever!
Sen Blackburn said Biden hired 85,000 new IRS agents to harass "hard working Americans" - A LIE. Only some of the new agents (maybe 8,000 since this was to happen over 10-years) were for debt collection and their focus is on RICH people avoiding taxes.
Sen Britt said that under Biden, the number of people holding multiple jobs increased - A LIE. Trump holds that honor.
Rep MTG said that under Biden, "hundreds of thousands of native-born Americans have lost their jobs" - A LIE. The number of jobs held by native-born Americans has increased under Biden.
RNC video claims Trump had the largest tax cut ever in American history. - SIMPLY A BIG LIE
Republican Chair claims the Middle East was at peace four years ago - A LIE, it wasn't.
RNC video attacks Biden with outdated data and no context on gas prices - This is a favorite tactic to mislead the public. They use old data and don't tell you why.
RNC video claims incomes fell three years in a row under Biden - A LIE. One of those years was under Trump.
RNC video lies about inflation under Biden - They use data as if it is true today rather than three years ago. They fail to say that under Biden, inflation has fallen dramatically. In fact, the latest figures show inflation is at or near the Fed goal of 2% PCI
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics … index.htmlOnce again the Felon and Sexual Predator Donald Trump proves how insincere and deceitful he is by agreeing with RFK Jr's deadly anti-vax stance. If he really feels this way, why did he push for the Covid vaccine if he knew it would kill you?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics … eted-videoMy Exoteric, what's your troule in constantly addressing or labeling Tromp as 'Felon and sexual predator'? In almost all of your posts, responses, and so on, you always add Trump a lie, a felon, a sex offender...what's your trouble with Trump, MyExoteric? Trump, last Saturday, nearly lost his life in the hands of Thomas Mathew Crook. The whole world is still reacting against the failed assassination attempt. They felt if he died there would be more trouble for America. And here you're calling Trump, your next President, names!
Because he is. A jury found him guilty of 34 felon counts in criminal court and another jury found him guilty of defamation and sexual assault in civil court. Other juries and judges found him guilty of other crimes in civil court. Therefore, I am not "calling him names", I am calling him what he really is.
I assumed you knew this. Why would you want a felon and sexual predator as our president?
Also, while I don't like political violence, would I have felt bad had he found his mark? No! The man deserves every bad thing that happens to him. That is how he has conducted his whole life.
Also, I thought I have been very clear (and so has a majority of Americans, they think him a mortal threat to American democracy and world order. He already proved that in his last administration and now that he has learned how to actually become a dictator, he will try to do it - HE SAID AS MUCH! Don't you believe him?Okay, did every American agree as you about Trump's state as you named it? Moreso, did all or every American agree that Trump is all the evil said about him? Will MAGA agree to all that? Oddly, not all Judges and Juries agree to the charges against Trump. Seriously, and critically, I wouldn't welcome a thief, a sex maniac, an addicted liar, a dictator, or what...is at heart to be a President. Not I. So MyExoteric, what's your trouble?
Okay stay that way. No argumentum ad hominem. But as excess of every good thing is bad, so is that of a bad thing got worst.
Esoteric, my friend, can we refrain from personal insults? They only serve to weaken your otherwise strong arguments.
I understand what you mean, but how else do you describe what he does on a consistent basis?
Yes, it is a thing. The question is: what does that thing do when used for its intended purpose. When used properly it can kill.
Further, guns are meant to kill. They weren't invented for target practice and I bet they weren't invented for personal defense. They were invented for offensive action.
ChatGPT tells us that the first "guns" were "hand cannons" (a tiny little cannon looking thing on a stick tucked under the arm) used in sieges. Interestingly, these were also called "gonne" or "handgonne" in Chinese. They evolved from there to rifles and hand guns for war.
Authorities are having a hell of a time trying to establish a motive for why Crooks tried to kill Trump. They apparently caught a little break in that he posted on a gaming site to "watch him on July 13".
I am beginning to think he was so frightened by Trump and what he is promising to do if he takes office that he felt he needed to save America from him.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/politics … index.html'I am beginning to think he was so freightened by Trump and what he promise to do if he took office...'. Credat judeaus apella, non ego: I will not buy that. Critically, if a former president not a novice can't handle the government of the USA again, or in a bad dictatorial manner, how can a 20 years old idiot save America? Critically again, it's very odd. No grown-ups in America, who think as Crook dare assassinate Trump, except that small boy, who to me seems to be out of his mind? Credat judeaus apella, non ego.
'In his mind...' is a mental state. Had Crook stay put there we wouldn't heard the assassination attempt. But should he utter words threating to kill Captain America, your new president, your get agitated, and he'll be arrest, and prosecute. Life inprisonment or... But Crook had died. Otherwise, he would have wear same judgement garment? No, wait till he clocks 25? You Americans always elongates the age of boys when they pull the trigger.
I told my wife there was MAYBE a 1% chance that that bullet scared Trump straight. Based on his nasty, lie-ridden, inflammatory, violent, hate-filled "acceptance speech", Trump didn't learn a thing.
As David Axelrod said, Trump's speech was the only good thing to happen to the Democrats in weeks. It reminded everybody how unfit for the presidency felon and sexual predator Trump is.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics … ion-digvidYou, MyExotoric, CNN, and the Dem will never see a little good thing or even an humour about Trump.
The motive around the Trump shooting is getting more interesting. The previous report that Crooks warned people on a gaming sit that something might happen on July 13th turned out to be a hoax. But now it seems possible that Trump was NOT his target, per se.
What the investigation is turning up is that Crooks may have just wanted to shoot a lot of people and the Trump event was the closest in terms of time and distance. He apparently tried to gather information about where large groups of people might gather. He searched the Republican convention, the Democratic convention, and the speaking schedules of multiple political figures.
It will be fascinating how this story might develop.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics … index.htmlRan across this when researching something else. This is the final statistics of Felon and Sexual Predator Trump's term in office:
The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.
The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.
After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%. (And Biden handily beat those good numbers!)
The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion. (That is whopping $7.2 TRILLION increase - the Largest ever!)
Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016. (So much for a so-called Closed Border.)
Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997. (It has fallen under Biden)
Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats. (With disastrous results for America)
They can lie all they want about Trump, but facts are facts and overall, he was a failure.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/You should probably read your list again. "The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997. (It has fallen under Biden)" So it rose last year (under Biden) to the highest since 1997 but fell under Biden.
But beyond that, there are obvious reasons for some of the bad things. "The economy lost 2.9 million jobs." - the reason is pretty obvious, and unemployment was way down...until the pandemic hit. Of course, you blame Trump for that, but no one else is so foolish.
Presumably your border crossing (NOT "immigration") stats are for 2020, not last year as you said. Did it ever occur to you that increased effort at the border WILL result in more captures? That a "closed border" WILL show increased captures - that's why it is termed "closed".
In short your great list shows some major improvements, some bad things from COVID and a bunch of stuff that did not happen on Trump's watch but on Biden's.OH, so now you want to look at reasons. Why are you starting now?
They aren't "my" stats. Read the link if you want more information.
The timeframe cut off when Trump left the White House so I don't follow your reasoning that some of those results were under Biden. Spoiler alert, he wasn't president yet.""The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997."
Last year was not under Trump. You do that several times; are you using data from years ago, or just missing the time frame?Maybe Eso is really Dementia Joe?
That would explain a lot... really...
Confused as to what year it is, who did what, which President belongs to what country...Seems to me that is your problem, not mine.
Ken, you want me to laugh? I'm not laughing. Who tell you Exo is 'dementia'? Okay, let's hear what His Most Excellent Felix says few minutes ago: 'Paul, thou art beside thyself. Much learning hath made thee mad'. MyExo is very 'much learning'. Ken, don't you agree? But, lately, he's falling of tangent. And oddly, Exo have formed a penchant of naming Donald Trump, a convicted felon, a sexual prediator, a liar, and so on. I advise that he desist forthwith, and he still persist to date. Holy wonder, his mind is now 'much' affect...
I will take "dementia Joe or a "fascist Donald", any day.
Absotutely!! Biden, on his worst days, is orders of magnitude better than a Putin/Hitler wannabe. Remember, Hitler wanted concentration camps to control the "undesirables" in his Germany. Trump is taking a page out of his book.
Sorry, you can twist all you want but let me repeat - the data was ONLY for the Trump years.
And also let me repeat - Read the article, it is quite clear as to where they got their numbers.*shrug* I can only repeat what you said, and refuse to make assumptions as to what you meant. You said "last year" it means "last year", not "4 years ago" or whatever year you intended.
NOW, let's compare that with what President Biden has accomplished so far in his first term in office.
The economy gained 15 million jobs. 2.9 million of those were jobs Trump lost, the other 12 million were new jobs.. The unemployment rate decreased by 2.2 percentage points to 4.1%. - Victor Biden
https://democrats.org/news/new-latest-j … ent-biden/
Paychecks gave ground to inflation and fell, in real terms, 2.2% through May 2024. That is expected to turn into growth by year's end. - Victor Trump.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/compe … der-biden/
After-tax corporate profits went up 15.1%, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 52.8%. Victor - Tie. Source: ChatGPT
Biden didn't promise to reduce the international trade deficit as Trump did since he knew that under normal circumstances has little meaning. Nevertheless, while the deficit increased 40.5% under Trump, it has increased only 10.6% under Biden. - Victor Biden. Source: ChatGPT
The number of people lacking health insurance FELL by 5.6 million. Victor Biden. Source: ChatGPT
Updated Federal Debt Numbers: Trump approved $8.8 trillion of new debt in his four years (and even larger amount than previously reported) while Biden has approved only $6.2 trillion so far in his term. Further, Trump approved $443 billion in Deficit reduction. Compare that to Biden's $1,200 billion in Deficit reduction so far. - Victor Biden
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-b … ional-debt
Home prices rose 18.3%, and the homeownership rate decreased 0.2 percentage points to 65.6%. Victor Tied
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
Illegal immigration increased. Victor Trump
Coal production; Couldn't find comparable numbers but it seems production has increased. Coal-mining jobs seems to have increased, but again, no current numbers. Carbon emissions from energy consumption continues to drop but couldn't find comparable numbers that are current. Victor Unknown
Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
The murder rate in 2022 declined and the FBI expects it to decline further in 2023 and 2024. Source: Statistica - Victor BidenThe unemployment increased from the low under Trump: Victor Trump
Number of foreign wars financed; victor Trump
Cost of nearly everything rose: victor Trump
Real wages, after inflation, fell; victor Trump
More people were given medical insurance at the expense of taxpayers; loser taxpayer, unless we count raising taxes as a victory neither President won that one.
Total debt increase under Biden projected to be higher than under Trump; victor Trump https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … ted-under/
Home cost rose tremendously under Biden, mostly as a result of higher interest rates; victor Trump
Illegal aliens in the country we support rose by millions; victor Trump
More people willing to protect themselves rather than rely on nonexistent police force; victor Trump
Bottom line; Trump won almost everywhere, and Biden's victories were of the "little meaning", such as international trade deficit or actually harmful to the country.Don't change the rules. The comparison is from where Trump left this country.
Millions of freedom seekers are helping our economy immeasurably.
Trump is a loser, big time.No, a far more realistic, and fair comparison is to remove the COVID years from both Presidents. It is not something that they could have stopped, you know. I DO understand that blaming Trump for all the COVID problems makes him look far worse than he was, but that is your personal demon, not mine.
Million of your "freedom seekers" are costing our country almost uncountable billions while returning almost nothing. One has only to speak to the "sanctuary" cities that are finding they cannot afford the hordes of illegals they invited in.
Biden is a loser, big time, and so is America under his faux leadership.Look, you don't do that when deriding Biden, so why should I take you seriously now?
I didn't go far with what the lhnk had to say. Reason? It could be summaries of AI generated facts. It's a website entity. Had this was posted online by a journalist, it would be a different story. So the 'fack sheet' couldn't give a reliable or balanced picture.
You can say that about ANYTHING. And it was posted online by journalists.
Yes, it was post online by journalists. But what's the source of the contents? Don't you think the 'factsheet' was AI generated content? MyExo, forgive me for the minor, but serious errors in spelling. But the meanings clear. I omitted a word or lacuna:'script 'post by...' Thanks.
I'm out of the class of comparing both Trump and biden. Both are diferent individuals with differing traits.
But can you really trust Trump. Gosh I am glad I live in Australia
You are so right, you can not trust lying, felon, and sexual predator Trump. Here is why from our point of view:
* We trusted him to protect democracy in 2016 yet in 2021 he ran an insurrection against the peaceful transfer of power.
* He has never kept his word unless it somehow benefitted him personally.
* He has probably 40,000 big lies to his credit, all of which have been proven to just that - lies. For example, since he doesn't make any distinction between nations, he claims Australia is sending all its criminals and mentally ill to cross into America at one or another of our borders.
* Someone even wrote a book about all the people who trusted Trump and who he turned on and tried to destroy.
* As President, we trusted him to protect us from the pandemic (or at least no make it worse). His actions and inactions led to hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths.
You have no idea how right you are, Eileen.
I'm an outsider. And I ives in Nigeria, my country. Trump can't be trusted? Elon Musk trusted Trump. Republicans that nominated Trump trusted. Why? Because he can deliver the tools of democracy, and make America great again.
A greedy billionaire capitalist like Elon Musk trusts Trump. Why is that a surprise?
Also, it is apparently forgotten that most Republicans today have been brainwashed by Lying, Felon, and Sexual Predator Trump's violent, racist, and hateful rhetoric.
I just don't understand where Miebakagh57 is coming from. Trump disrespects the color of his skin, he calls people of his, and your race names, he calls Nigeria names. Yet he finds a way to support a liar, a felon, and a sexual predator. I just don't get it.If he lived here, and took a refresher in American civics he would understand more.
Here is a comparison of key issues between Trump and Biden for the election in 2024.
https://whyy.org/articles/election-2024 … ey-issues/
Here is what Project 2025 is really about.
https://www.vox.com/politics/360318/pro … on-divorceOkay, what names does Trump, negatively or disparagely, calls Nigeria?
He has referred to African Nations as "sh*thole countries"
Somebody needs to fart in your echo chamber. Beyond being successful, and no longer a Democrat voter, name one greedy capitalist characteristic that shows Musk to be what you claim?
Back it up bud. You can't feel that strongly about the man without some rational support for it (not credibly, anyway). What makes you see him as a greedy capitalist?
GAThe destruction of Twitter and all the despicable things he did from trying to take it over then reneging on his promise only to renig on that promise to mistreating most of his employees to screwing most of the users of Twitter.
It could very well go bankrupt with lines like this: "Seven months later, Disney and Apple are no longer advertising on X - and Musk is telling companies that have left to "Go [expletive] yourself.""
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67599937
Things aren't much better at Tesla anymore either.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/03/tesla-b … th-14.html
Elon Musk is a Bad Boss, to say it mildly.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ … s-timelineElon Musk has stood and said, yes, I will fight the "Mind Virus", he had everything, the Left idolized him... now they want to destroy him for exposing their corruption and their betrayal of the citizens of America.
They can't control him, so they will destroy him. He is enemy #2 right behind Trump, whom they also found they couldn't control.
If Trump wins... perhaps there is hope... the Biden Administration has put the nation in an economic hole and on the precipice of WWIII...
If the current Administration continues to hold power, not so much Biden but all those behind him, there is no chance of these things being avoided.
ESO conviently has provided me with much of my complaint and distrust of any capitalist that would seem to naturally snuggle up to Trump. Is Elon Musk some sort of God to you or something?
So, Bud, there is your backup....
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The destruction of Twitter and all the despicable things he did from trying to take it over then reneging on his promise only to renig on that promise to mistreating most of his employees to screwing most of the users of Twitter.
It could very well go bankrupt with lines like this: "Seven months later, Disney and Apple are no longer advertising on X - and Musk is telling companies that have left to "Go [expletive] yourself.""
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67599937
Things aren't much better at Tesla anymore either.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/03/tesla-b … th-14.html
Elon Musk is a Bad Boss, to say it mildly.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ … s-timelineIt seems your distrust of Musk is primarily because he is a capitalist. Do you hold the same opinion for greedy Liberal capitalists (is that an oxymoron?)? (he was a Liberal Democrat-voting capitalist until 2020 - did you hate him then?)
Did you check Eso's links to be sure they spoke for you? Or, were his words enough for you? (2 of the 3 didn't work for me and the one that did is a year old and sounds like an opinion piece)
GAClearly, it has nothing to do with him being a capitalist - Regulated capitalism is the best thing going.
No, Musk has fallen victim to my eyes, ears, and analytical mind. To be polite, he is a Class 1 jerk and seemly mentally off his rocker (based on his observable actions of which Twitter and Tesla are just two examples. He gives capitalism a bad name.
And to think I once looked up to the guy and respected him. No more.You'll probably be shocked, but I see him and his actions, and successes, differently. ;-)
GAJust as I do with Trump, I factor in character and from where I sit, Musk's is pretty terrible.
He has got one out of three business's that appears to working, his Space X program - and even that seems to be running into problems. As I showed, Tesla and X are sinking.
Not a pretty picture.
Corporate capitalist, GA, who do you think are filling all of Trump's campaign coffers?
Capitalism by definition is an exploitive system that can be tolerated only within the bounds of strict regulation. So, yes, GA, I distrust capitalism, intrinsically, to do nothing but primarily enrich the few at the detriment of the many. For me and MY tribe, that has pretty much been the experience.
Fat cat capitalists stick together, less government interference in their business, no oversight regarding rights of labor and legalized environmental degradation. Of course, they vote for Trump because he, being one of them, will allow them to indulge themselves.
If there are not any "liberal" billionaires, putting aside their incessant greed and advocating for things other than their exploitive self interests, I am going to prove to be against them as well. Any one clinging to Trump is of no use and has no value in my vaunted opinion, be they rich or poor.
Yes, I read all the links and when we talked about Musk in a past thread, I said that as for my opinion of him, the jury was out. Well, it is back and he proved to be Thurston Howell that they all usually are.. . . and now it's capitalism you hate, also?
I'm scratching my head about those links working for you. I refreshed my page and browser and the two links that ended in (non-red highlighted) " … th-14.html" and "… s-timeline" still won't work for me. The first says article not found and the other says 404 error.
Is my system the only one they won't work for?
GA
I did get the LA times article initially which is the most damning of Musk. I had to go to another computer that is not so old that certain formats are no longer supported. But I did see all three links.
Capitalism WITH containment within restrictive bounds to prevent abuse, is my idea of acceptable capitalism...
When Musk turns greedy by supporting Trump he automatically loses my support.Yep, he was okay until he supported Trump. That's pretty thin. Make up your mind about capitalism. Our capitalism is very regulated (restricted), yet you still hate it, and all that succeed through it.
GAHere is what happened with unfettered capitalism in 2007 to 2008.
Financial crisis of 2007–08, severe contraction of liquidity in global financial markets that originated in the United States as a result of the collapse of the U.S. housing market. It threatened to destroy the international financial system; caused the failure (or near-failure) of several major investment and commercial banks, mortgage lenders, insurance companies, and savings and loan associations; and precipitated the Great Recession (2007–09), the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression (1929–c. 1939).
Causes of the crisis
Although the exact causes of the financial crisis are a matter of dispute among economists, there is general agreement regarding the factors that played a role (experts disagree about their relative importance).
First, the Federal Reserve (Fed), the central bank of the United States, having anticipated a mild recession that began in 2001, reduced the federal funds rate (the interest rate that banks charge each other for overnight loans of federal funds—i.e., balances held at a Federal Reserve bank) 11 times between May 2000 and December 2001, from 6.5 percent to 1.75 percent. That significant decrease enabled banks to extend consumer credit at a lower prime rate (the interest rate that banks charge to their “prime,” or low-risk, customers, generally three percentage points above the federal funds rate) and encouraged them to lend even to “subprime,” or high-risk, customers, though at higher interest rates (see subprime lending). Consumers took advantage of the cheap credit to purchase durable goods such as appliances, automobiles, and especially houses. The result was the creation in the late 1990s of a “housing bubble” (a rapid increase in home prices to levels well beyond their fundamental, or intrinsic, value, driven by excessive speculation).
Second, owing to changes in banking laws beginning in the 1980s, banks were able to offer to subprime customers mortgage loans that were structured with balloon payments (unusually large payments that are due at or near the end of a loan period) or adjustable interest rates (rates that remain fixed at relatively low levels for an initial period and float, generally with the federal funds rate, thereafter). As long as home prices continued to increase, subprime borrowers could protect themselves against high mortgage payments by refinancing, borrowing against the increased value of their homes, or selling their homes at a profit and paying off their mortgages. In the case of default, banks could repossess the property and sell it for more than the amount of the original loan. Subprime lending thus represented a lucrative investment for many banks. Accordingly, many banks aggressively marketed subprime loans to customers with poor credit or few assets, knowing that those borrowers could not afford to repay the loans and often misleading them about the risks involved. As a result, the share of subprime mortgages among all home loans increased from about 2.5 percent to nearly 15 percent per year from the late 1990s to 2004–07.
Third, contributing to the growth of subprime lending was the widespread practice of securitization, whereby banks bundled together hundreds or even thousands of subprime mortgages and other, less-risky forms of consumer debt and sold them (or pieces of them) in capital markets as securities (bonds) to other banks and investors, including hedge funds and pension funds. Bonds consisting primarily of mortgages became known as mortgage-backed securities, or MBSs, which entitled their purchasers to a share of the interest and principal payments on the underlying loans. Selling subprime mortgages as MBSs was considered a good way for banks to increase their liquidity and reduce their exposure to risky loans, while purchasing MBSs was viewed as a good way for banks and investors to diversify their portfolios and earn money. As home prices continued their meteoric rise through the early 2000s, MBSs became widely popular, and their prices in capital markets increased accordingly.
Fourth, in 1999 the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act (1933) was partially repealed, allowing banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to enter each other’s markets and to merge, resulting in the formation of banks that were “too big to fail” (i.e., so big that their failure would threaten to undermine the entire financial system). In addition, in 2004 the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) weakened the net-capital requirement (the ratio of capital, or assets, to debt, or liabilities, that banks are required to maintain as a safeguard against insolvency), which encouraged banks to invest even more money into MBSs. Although the SEC’s decision resulted in enormous profits for banks, it also exposed their portfolios to significant risk, because the asset value of MBSs was implicitly premised on the continuation of the housing bubble.
Fifth, and finally, the long period of global economic stability and growth that immediately preceded the crisis, beginning in the mid- to late 1980s and since known as the “Great Moderation,” had convinced many U.S. banking executives, government officials, and economists that extreme economic volatility was a thing of the past. That confident attitude—together with an ideological climate emphasizing deregulation and the ability of financial firms to police themselves—led almost all of them to ignore or discount clear signs of an impending crisis and, in the case of bankers, to continue reckless lending, borrowing, and securitization practices.Any friend or ally of Trump becomes my enemy. When you take in the entire Trump package you earn my disrespect.
It many aspects it is still not regulated enough for my preference.
I suspect you might be quite happy under strict communism. Everything laid out FOR you, no decisions to make. And no Donald Trump.
Stricter capitalism controls is not communism, Wilderness. And YES, no Donald Trump, absolutely....
"Stricter" is a relative term. Make it strict enough, add a few other controls (where you live, what you drive, etc.) and you have communism.
Also, what job you can have, how much you can produce, how you distribute your product, which candidate you will vote for., etc. Seems like somebody has a lot to learn about economic systems.
Also, just read that last weeks drop in the market is because it was already building in a future pathetic liar, felon, and sexual predator Trump presidency with its (if economists are correct) higher inflation, higher interest rates, and skyrocketing debt.Yep - that was the point. Everything controlled by Government. Perhaps you need to learn to read what is written rather than putting your own spin on it?
Eso, you really need to get off those biased, one sided, lying "brainwash" sites feeding you garbage. Did it occur to you to look at history instead of some whacked out far left wing rag for your data? Trump had much lower inflation, much lower interest rates and less debt increase than Biden has accomplished. Unless, of course, you wish to pull Trump's data from the middle of the Pandemic and Bidens 3 years after it ended. While it's true the data will make you happier, it's also true that it is an extremely unrealistic and unfair method of comparison.Since I am not on them, what then?
Speaking of reading what is written, you are talking past tense as Trump profited from Obama's economy. "As I wrote" the economists are predicting Trump's platform will increase inflation, blow up the deficit, and hurt all but the rich (which means you)..
Nope, not buying into your one-sided reasoning that only benefits Trump. Until you admit that Biden IS NOT responsible for the inflation, I won't admit that Trump is not responsible for the pandemic. He needs to take ownership of the terrible way he handled the pandemic, giving away all that money and closing all those businesses.I know, I know. All of Trump's successes were actually Obama's. Except those that Biden did, anyway.
Trump operated in a vacuum, with no one else there - just Trump, the Mississippi river and the Rocky Mountains.
How you can think that Trump magically created a virus in China, brought it to the US and spread it to millions, but is still an idiot that is barely able to feed himself is really interesting.
Who do you think would be leading your make-believe communist gov't? Why the great American Dictator wannabe, Donald J. Trump.
Who would be good as a communist leader for America? Well, not a Republican - they won't tolerate Big Government. Nor a Libertarian, same reason.
That probably leaves a Democrat on steroids, Typically one that doesn't care about the country or it's people. Big Government is their mantra, after all, because it gives them more control. Yes, a far left Democrat on steroids would probably fit the bill. Pelosi, maybe, or H. Clinton comes to mind. Possibly Bernie Sanders.Absolutely! Because Trump likes Big Government and worked hard to 4 years to create Bigger and Bigger Government with more and more rules!
I trust you understand just how foolish that sounds?You mean rules like women can't control their own bodies, instead the gov't gets to do that for them?
I would agree. The Conservative Court has shot down important regulations that would prevent another 2008 crisis. They also reversed a lot of fixes Biden made to the environmental laws by neutering executive agencies putting us back the the early 1800s when all we had was State and Treasury.. They can no longer enforce rules that protect us from the destruction of the environment and soon you will see decisions coming down that will strip away protections from predatory financial practices.
It amazes me that these Conservative are so stupid as to not see what they are forcing to happen is a striped down executive function that is unable to enforce the laws passed by Congress and a beefed up Congress so that they can write laws that cover all possible outcomes.
Glad to hear it about capitalism. It has proven time and time again to be better than the other economic system, socialism.
Nah, Trump had nothing to do with my disdain for Musk although it did verify my belief that whatever good judgement he once had is gone.No anti-Trump motivation — at least your dislike is related to actions, not associations.
GA
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