Did Trump Really Try To Implement a Coup?
I agree with this opinion piece about Fox never really being a news agency.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/opinions … index.htmlWTF?!
Trump collaborates on song with Jan. 6 defendants
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3 … efendants/Why am I not surprised. It fits his bad character to a "T".
Trump opens campaign rally with song featuring Jan. 6 defendants
Former President Trump started off his first official 2024 campaign rally on Saturday in Waco, Texas, with a rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner” sung by a group of inmates that are incarcerated for their role in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.
The song, called “Justice For All,” features the defendants, who call themselves the “J6 Choir,” singing a version of the national anthem and includes Trump reciting the Pledge of Allegiance over the track. Trump stood with his hand over his heart as the song played and as images from the Capitol riot, in which Trump supporters stormed the complex to overturn the 2020 election, played on a screen.
Well, if there was any doubt...
And in WACO of all places. During the 30 year anniversary of the stand off there. The man is an absolute fascist who literally owns the Republican Party at this point. He's driving them straight off a cliff and the fools are along for the ride . Just incredible.
I agree with this opinion piece about Fox never really being a news agency.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/opinions … index.htmlWhat democracy destroying LIES came out of that bastion of hate speech called CPAC?''
* First, Steve Bannon did the world a favor by ripping Fox News apart. He said this BIG LIE “Fox News illegitimately called it for the opposition and not Donald J. Trump, of which our nation has never recovered.” [/I\ and this little LIE [i]“having it stolen, in broad daylight, of which they [Fox] participate in.”
* BIG LIE: MTG - Marjorie Taylor Greene said the Republican Party has a duty to protect children. Listing supposed threats to children, she said, “Now whether it’s like Zelensky saying he wants our sons and daughters to go die in Ukraine….” - ZELINSKI NEVER SAID THAT or anything like it.
* LIE - Jim Jordan lied when he said “We’re not going to deport anyone who come.” and then again when he said that people knowing “we’re not going to get deported” was a reason they decided to migrate to the US under Biden. - THE more probable reason for the surge at the border is people like Jordan LYING like that. On the other hand, Biden DID say "Biden did say during the 2020 Democratic primary that “no one, no one will be deported at all” in his first 100 days as president. "
* LIE - Ralph Norman (R-SC) made the false implication that the media was tipped of about the Mar-a-Lago search by saying “When I saw the raid at Mar-a-Lago – you know, the cameras, the FBI – ... - FUNNY, there were no cameras and the media didn't know about the search until Trump told the world.
* Scare Tactics - Tuberville (R-AL) - [Coaches are] "Going into thousands of kids’ homes and talking to parents every year recruiting, half the kids in this country – I’m not talking about race, I’m just talking about – half the kids in this country have one or no parent. And it’s because of the attack on faith. People are losing faith because, for some reason, because the attack [on] God.” - ACTUALLY, the number is 97%, not 50%, So is Tubberville lying in the name of God?
* BIG LIE - Tuberville - “We don’t teach reading, writing and arithmetic anymore. You know, half the kids in this country, when they graduate – think about this: half the kids in this country, when they graduate, can’t read their diploma.” - PURE FICTION
* BIG LIE - Jim Jordan - “The president of the United States stood in front of Independence Hall, called half the country fascists.” - ONE - Biden never used the word fascists (is that a sign of a guilty conscience from Jordan?) and TWO, Biden did say “not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans.” (I would disagree today that "not even the majority" is correct given how many people voted for Trump in 2020.
* BIG LIE - Scott Perry (R-PA) - Claims Rep. Scott Perry claimed that “average citizens need to just at some point be willing to acknowledge and accept that every single facet of the federal government is weaponized against every single one of us.” Perry said moments later, “The government doesn’t have the right to tell you that you can’t buy a gas stove but that you must buy an electric vehicle.” - HE IS, of course, talking about the Trump administration. Biden has done a lot to start having the gov't serve the people again rather than the president.
* BIG LIE - Norman - He claimed that Biden " “I don’t know whether y’all saw, I just saw it this morning: Biden laughing at the mother who had two sons – to die, and he’s basically laughing and saying the fentanyl came from the previous administration". - The Fact Check on this one says Biden did not laugh at the mother who lost her sons to fentanyl, the anti-abortion activist Rebecca Kiessling; in a somber tone, he called her “a poor mother who lost two kids to fentanyl.” Rather, he proceeded to laugh about how Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene had baselessly blamed the Biden administration for the young men’s deaths even though the tragedy happened in mid-2020, during the Trump administration.
THERE is more, but I will let you read it here. - https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/04/politics … index.htmlFINALLY! A modicum of Justice - Trump is arrested (one of many to come) and being arraigned as I type.
While it is a very sad day for America to have man as despicable as this one bring so much shame on our Nation, it is gratifying to see justice prevailing over wrong-doers.
Many here scoffed at the notion that Trump did anything wrong. Well, he did enough to convince a Grand Jury that there was probably cause that he did. Now, I suppose these same people will say "but it is all Political". Of course that is BS given that Bragg initially turned down bringing the criminal case Cy Vance and his team put together - a case strong enough that two well-respected senior prosecutors resigned in protest.
No, this is at best coincidentally political. At the heart is supposedly solid evidence that Trump broke the law many times over in trying to lie about what his hush money payments to his mistress really were. In falsifying business records, Trump at a minimum can be guilty of serious misdemeanors. (It is interesting that conservatives are more like the progressive DA in not thinking Trump should be tried for these crimes.)
But, if Bragg can tie them to a cover-up of another crime, either state or federal election fraud, then they become felonies. Obviously, Bragg thinks he can do this.
This should be the first in a long series of times we will see Trump in a courtroom as a defendant.
On going is the NY AG civil lawsuit against Trump for tax fraud.
Next up, on April, is one of two civil cases filed by E. Jean Carroll who claims Trump raped and defamed her. The April trial is about the rape. The defamation case has been postponed.
Following that should be the Atlanta's DA criminal case of election fraud.
Then, DOJ's criminal case of mishandling documents and obstruction of justice
After that will be the DOJ's criminal case regarding insurrection on January 6.
Possibly interspersed or after are three more Jan 6 related civil cases.
- Swawell's lawsuit for inciting to riot
- Capitol police officers for the injuries they sustained due to Trump
- Brian Sicknick's partner for Brian's death
- Metropolitan police for injuries sustained
I am sure I missed a few.Here is the latest example of Trump being self-destructive. He is suing the witness against him in the upcoming criminal trial for felony doctoring of his business records. This sounds very much like witness tampering to me - a charge which Bragg should now bring.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-sue … 023-04-12/With any luck at all FOX News will go defunct. Now they are being investigated for lying to the court that is overseeing their defamation trial.
The judge is appointing a special master to investigate Fox's withholding of evidence and lying to the court.
While that is happening, the jury selection is now ongoing AND Dominion can now ask for more discovery.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/media/fo … index.html
Wouldn't it be nice if the jury adds $5 billion in punitive damages on top of the $1.6 billion in actual damages that Dominion is asking for.I agree completely. I just can't believe that so many are willing to set aside what fox and it's actors have done. They seem not to care as long as the performers tell them what they want to here even after Rupert Murdoch said it was all about the money. At this point fox could admit it lies to it's viewers and those viewers wouldn't care as long as they keep hearing the "news" they want to hear.
Fox still remains the number one news cable network. I guess the majority must tune in for some reason.
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-ar … 23/524861/
They report all news, not hand-picked reports. I think this is why so many appreciate Fox.And what does that say about the gullibility of its listeners? They just love being lied to it seems.
And again, to correct the record, while Fox maybe #1 (most of the time) in one-on-one matchups, it does terribly when you match up conservative with normal media. And that is a function of conservatives only have one real choice while those who like real news split their attention among many sources.
When you look at it in the proper perspective, Fox's ratings suck.
And again to correct the record, Fox doesn't report "all the news". What news they do report is cherry-picked what is positive about Trump and lie or stay silent about negative news about Trump as well as frequently manipulate what they report. We have all learned that from the lead up to the Dominion trial and that is why so many honest journalists have left Fox.I appreciate it. But FoxNews, is one mainstream media in the bad book of Trump.
He flag them fake news. Are thess making a U-turn now?
Adding to this, inspired out of curiosity, I roamed about looking instead at top digital news sources. As seen in these forums reliance on/for news sources is digital, right? That is different than cable news.
From SpeedSpot, which proclaims to be the Internet’s Largest Human Curated Database of Bloggers and Podcasts comes Top 100 USA News Websites published Apr 8, 2023.
The top ten in order are:
CNN
The New York Times
The Huffington Post
Fox News
USA Today
Politico
Yahoo News
NPR News
Los Angeles Times
The Top Daily News
Top 100 USA News Websites
https://blog.feedspot.com/usa_news_websites/
Along with that if curious are the top news and political channels on YouTube where a lot of information is gathered.
Top 1000 News & Politics YouTube Channels in the United States by HypeAuditor. It is ranked by followers/subscribers.
https://hypeauditor.com/top-youtube-new … ed-states/Good find. I must say I frequent all of the above when doing research online. I favor Politico, I find them to be non-bias. However, I like to check several sources when doing research, just to get all slants.
Have you looked at the web site Ground? They let you know how left or right leaning a journalist is before opening the article. I have only looked at some issues on the site but they have a good mix that covers right and left.
I do visit Ground a lot... I find they report all the news and seem to be un-bias. Hey, did not realize they had such a big following.
I used to get most of the news from Reuters as I found them most neutral and more fact-based than sources like CNN, but recently I saw that they were printing obvious lies related to Brazil. If they can lie about a situation I am in, I am no longer confident about believing what they publish about other areas.
I was reading articles on Ground this morning about the increased deforestation under Lula, our new president that defeated Bolsanaro because he said he would curb the deforestation of the Amazon.Interesting. How long has he been in power after South America's Trump wanna-be Bolsonaro people tried to overthrow him? Four or five months? And he has already been successful at doing what he is philosophically opposed to?
Are you saying these are lies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4susHBP1nYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS-FABxKtKY
or is this what you are referring to? "Deforestation in Brazil’s Amazon rainforest rose in February to the highest level on record for the month, highlighting the scale of the challenge facing the administration of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, as it tries to undo the environmental destruction wreaked under the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro."
Is this the headline you are saying is not true? Brazil Amazon deforestation drops in Lula’s first month in office https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/1 … -in-officeIt is par for the course that Lula blames Bolsanaro. He sees Biden forgetting that he was president when the Afghanistan fiasco occurred and blaming Trump.
The only thing more ridiculous than that was him telling the public that it was the MAGA republicans that want to defund the police.
Going back to the deforestation issue, I know that from the moment Lula was elected there was more deforestation. Everyone is out clearing forest since Lula might end up militarizing the forest service. Every day since the election I have seen loggers out in the forest behind my house cutting trees.
Is Lula to blame? He is not cutting down the trees, but his statements to the press have encouraged more deforestation. His statements about how it is okay to rob a cell phone if you just want to go out and have a beer, and his statements about how it is okay to invade farms as long as you do not have one of your own, encourage lawlessness and acts of violence.Here is what makes your opinion so hard to swallow. I could say with the same authority as you that the day after Lula took office, 10 people died or 10 babies were born or the Brazil GDP went up or the Brazil GDP went down and Lula was responsible for it all just like you claim he is responsible for the deforestation (Not to mention the sources I presented contradict your belief.)
I too use Reuters, I find them not to be biased. I will admit after checking stories out on several sites, I do visit CNN to see if they are slanting a given report.
Never heard of Ground and I probably won't since they are a subscription service. Too many unbiased free sources to use,
Any ideias on alternatives that have ALL sides?
Yep, here are a few:
Politico
CNN
NYT
Washington Post
WSJ
NBC
CBS
ABC
NPR
BBC
The Hill
just to name a few.At least 4 out of your top 5 are terribly biased and lie when it suits them.
Actually, that is not true. I see you didn't offer any proof of your claim. It doesn't work just to say the moon is made of green cheese without evidence.
They lie constantly and never bother to retract their mistakes later, the way media used to do. If you are not able to see that the problem is with the person relying on those sources. Do you think they are going to publish an article pointing out their lies?
You are obviously talking about right-wing propaganda outlets (I say it that way because there are no right-wing media outlets)
I see you are still devoid of proof of your claims. Without it, it is nothing but partisan hyperbole.
"The Internet’s Largest Human Curated Database of Bloggers and Podcasts" which equates to no editors, no accountability, no one to hold their feet to the fire or demand more sources. Is this what we've come to for what passes for the fourth estate in this country?
Excuse me, but it takes all my patience to read and not always react to the general public's views on this blog. In my darkest hour I would never use something said off the top of somebody's head as a credible source. No offense friends.What do you need an editor for? It is a list of news sites by popularity.
Are you referring to the site FeedSpot ? https://blog.feedspot.com/
It's sort of like HP's, but I think it has a lot more activity in blogs and pod casts.There are no blogs or podcasts actually there. It is a curating site offering lists on this and that. Yet, it's claim to fame is their lists for podcasts and blogs. They break them down into categories. You can purchase the different lists in MS Excel format I believe for download.
People hardly know the difference between a news anchor and a commentator. As long as people know the difference between a blogger and a reporter, enjoy. And an editor checks for factual errors, confirms sources and makes sure there is more than one (usually three independent of each other) and weeds out reporter's opinions.
" And an editor checks for factual errors, confirms sources and makes sure there is more than one (usually three independent of each other) and weeds out reporter's opinions."
That's the job anyway. Some do it better than others. But a blogger has no one holding them accountable for the information/opinions they post.
That is fine - as long as the reader knows the difference.
Dr. Mark 1961: With the demise of The Fairness Doctrine in the 1980s, you are hardput anymore to find a media outlet that strives to report "all sides" of anything.Yes, I think you are right. It is an unfortunate situation.
It looks like Fox, Brietbart, and OAN have fired all of their editors.
FOX is about to pay the price for being Donald Trump's mouthpiece and accomplice in his continuing effort to overthrow American democracy. The surprise delay in the trial may be an effort to settle the case. I hope Dominion says no and forces a trial; they have an overwhelming case to meet the high bar of malicious intent needed in a First Amendment case.
"The idea that Trump’s claims – echoed by his aides and allies on Fox and sometimes by the channel’s personalities – had any merit will not even make it to first base in the trial. In one remarkable development during pre-trial hearings, presiding Superior Court Judge Eric Davis ruled that jurors did not even need to decide one key issue: whether Fox’s claims about Dominion were true.
“The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true,” Davis wrote, "
The truth of Fox's greed and undemocratic and harmful decisions to spread lies upon lies that weaking American democracy must be put on full display.
Behind Dominion's $1.6 billion suit is another identical one by Smartmatic for over $2 billion. One can only hope that between them, it will be enough to force Fox off the air.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/politics … index.htmlFox News' part of Trump's attempted coup goes on trial today. The evidence against Fox is very damning. In fact, "The case has already battered the reputation and credibility of Fox News, exposing the network as dishonest, having no regard for the most basic news ethics, and showing contempt for its sizable audience."
Yet its indoctrinated viewers simply can't quit it. Sad.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/media/fo … index.htmlIt well appears the context Fox used when reporting on Dominion leaves one to think, they were reporting stories that had not been varified but were accusations coming from Trump, and others.
I would assume any reporting will be looked at carefully, and the context of words will be important, above all. I think Fox covered their butts pretty well with disclaimers. Disclaimers are added to news reports to more or less tell the audience --- the story has not been proven to be factual. A believe it or not story.
Is it ethical, in my view no? But today media use disclaimers frequently to push salacious accounts. The disclaimers just leave it up to the audience to weed around for any truth.Fox's entertainers, producers and executives expressed contempt for those same conspiracies, calling them "mind-blowingly nuts," "totally off the rails" and "completely bs" often in far earthier terms. Yet they peddled them night after night. Duping their unwitting audience. This is not journalism. They have no credibility.
It's actually worse then that as many admitted they knew the stories were not only verified, but were false. There's even testimony of Trump's people going off record and telling Fox people that the stories were false and Fox still pushed the false narratives just for profit and to not lose the viewers who would get angry if they heard the actual truth. They were pandering to people that wanted to live in their delusions at the cost of damaging others and leading to death threats to people.
Yea, I am aware that hosts went back and forth via emails admitting they had very different views, than what they were reporting. In my view, and I did share this view before when the story broke --- the host and the network big shots are disgustingly unethical. They did realize the stories could not be verified with facts and pushed them daily. They kept the public in a frenzy and promoted discord. And it would appear they did it for profit and ratings.
I did go back (when the story broke) and watched some of the shows after the election. It did appear the hosts cover their butts with disclames. However, do people looking for rhetoric here disclaimers?
Dominion was slandered over and over. So, it will interesting to see if disclaimers hold up as protection or if they are not even considered.I doubt they will even be considered because there is so much testimony of Fox personalities understanding that what they were pushing was clearly untrue, which is a violation of defamation laws and not simply unethical. Defamation laws protect people from actual harm that untrue statements can cause - in this case, both financial and in the form of death threats against people working for Dominion.
That's a very sinister move by the FoxNews people.
After much demage is done, how can dislaimer work?
FoxNews obviously knew it was on the wrong path.
Ignorance of the law of defamation wouldn't execise one in the matter.I am hopeful disclaimers do not protect Fox. However, disclaimers are used in journalism to protect a story, that is being reported that they can't confirm as authentic. More or less they are just saying "This is a rumor that can't as of yet be proven, but many are making claims, and claim they have proof.
This kind of reporting is not something I condone.I agree. Who in the world could be interested in an unproven rumor? They're a dime a dozen and precious few are ever true - of nearly zero value.
I think this case should serve as a big wake-up call for Americans in regard to the fact media is totally manipulating society, picking and choosing what they deal up, with and what is hidden. The results are a very divided society, where many Americans harbor sheer hate for one another.
It is scary to contemplate where all this will end up.You think those on the right will wake up to the fact that Fox News has been shown to be a campaign arm of the RNC and that they have admitted that electing Republicans is their goal? I don't think the people that watch that station really care if they are being manipulated.
Val, I think media in general are the problem. Yes, Fox is the arm of the RNC, as is CNN and MSN the arm of the DNC. The sooner we all admit, and stop lobbing bombs of "mine is better" we will all be better off.
I think the people Fox has such high ratings due to they do report all news, they don't shift through the news and choose what they think fits their agenda. It is unfortunate, but I truely feel this is why more turn to Fox. Their strategy is, to report all news.
I have turned to Fox due to its one-stop, and then try to weed out the truth in any report. I have found it shocking how many stories the left media just don't cover.Do you have examples of what the honest media didn't cover?
Another false equivalency as you don't have the owners of CNN or MSNBC state that their goal is to elect Democrats. Then to chastise the left for not covering stories steeped in conspiracy like Fox News puts out. Personally, I'm fine with the left not reporting on the Russian propaganda that makes its way onto Fox News.
Good point. And you don't have the owners of CNN or MSNBC saying lying is OK if it makes you more money.
Not interested in playing Google Checkers... Sorry
No examples to back up your what must now be considered false claim, then.
MY ESOTERIC WROTE:
Do you have examples of what the honest media didn't cover?
Not interested in playing Google Checkers... Sorry
Again, it seems that some need to repeat and repeat. I am not interested in googling links. Take it or leave it.
Or get a thrill, a rush on you won. LOL
What is scary is the millions of Fox viewers will never know what happened.
"The $787.5 million settlement was covered only three times by Fox News in about four hours after the settlement became public, amounting to about six minutes of coverage."
MAGA is, all the time. They gobble them up, twist them to suit their purpose and spew them out again. That critique also works for the extreme Left.
Settlement: $787 million for siding with Trump and lying to America.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates … 01554.htmlHave you picked up any statements from Fox on the settlement, like will anyone be fired?
Only one where they barely bothered to say they did anything wrong. Fire their money-makers? Hardly. Remember, they have Trump-like ethics, in other words, none whatsoever.
While I understand it, I am sorry to see that Dominion settled with Fox. Fox deserved to have everything about the publicly exposed with those lying talking heads try to explain themselves to the jury. Not as dramatic, Fox did admit they lied when they commented about the settlement. Next up is Smartmatic's $2.8 billion suit along with a ton of smaller suits.
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/ … index.html787.5 million reasons FOX has removed all doubt about its fairness - or lack thereof.
I don't see how reporting the truth in a relatively unbiased manner can be considered a problem. That is what most MSM do. This is why polls show most people trust MSM. I suspect the next time Pew takes a poll, Fox will fall way down, kept up only by their brainwashed viewership.
There are only a few outlets that are as untrustworthy as Fox. Most are on the right-wing side with maybe one or two on the leftThis analysis is correct!
CNN — Fox News will pay $787.5 million for transmitting lies that a small voting technology firm helped steal the 2020 election. But it’s impossible to put a price on damaged trust in US democracy."
Fox, Trump, MAGA, and their enablers have damaged American democracy, maybe permanently! Until the undemocratic, anti-America, election denying MAGA-types can get weeded out of every elected office they currently hold, America will never be safe again.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/politics … index.html
"“This is really the first time that anyone has paid a price for telling the lies about the 2020 election and we are very proud about that,” Dominion’s lead lawyer, Justin Nelson, told CNN’s Alex Marquardt, arguing that the settlement secured accountability for the firm and solidified a shared vision of national facts vital to the survival of democracy."
I wonder how much Fox will pay Smartmatic to settle a similar lawsuit, or will America get lucky and Fox be forced to put a parade of their democracy destroyers on the withness stand?Another Nazi party link and you expect to convince anyone? You are expecting intelligent people to expect your Brownshirt links?
Until big-government freedom haters of the left are out of power the citizens of the world is in serious peril.Sorry buddy, the white supremacists of this country all vote for the GOP. No amount of projection will change that fact.
Nazis were socialists, on the left. The left, CNN, and Whoopi Goldberg have adopted their tactics. No mention of the idiot white supremacists and who they vote for will change those facts..
Actually, no. Nazis were National Socialists. Leaving out the word national from your claim does not make it true in any way, but that is a common tactic for those on the right. They do the same thing with Democratic Socialists, only hearing the word socialist and assuming the most extreme of socialism instead of actually understanding what the Democratic part of that means.
What thing you should be able to agree on is that the Nazi party were far-right fascists. Now which party has all the far-right fascists currently? Which party just violated centuries of historical norms to try and violently stop the transfer of power from one elected administration to the next?
Which one is attacking marginalized groups such as the LGBQT+ community? Which one is passing laws to ban books? These are all qualities of the fascist Nazi party you try to falsely equate to someone other than your own party.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-hayek- … ocialists/
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.htmlNazis were leftists, which is what facism is. Facism is an ideology of the left.
I guess you are trying to deflect and going to ignore the evidence that white supremacists used to all vote Democrat, which meant that the Democrats was the party of white nationalism according to the logic you used.I think you confuse national socialism with socialism and then conflate the fascism associated with Germany into your confusion of the first two to try and form a false link to today's 'leftists.'
Fascism is definitely not an ideology of the left at all. Democracy is the ideology of the left. Today's current Democratic Party is not aligning itself with authoritarians like Putin, Kim, and Xi and promoting them as role models. Today's Democratic Party is not the ultranationalistic party that has the white supremacists, and is anti-immigrant and anti-LGBQT+.
And your own argument makes that case for me that white supremacists no longer vote Democrat, nor have they for a very long time, which means our party has evolved and the one that still clings to those non-inclusive values is your party. Those are your people now.Deleted
Sorry for offending you Bot. As an educator you should have learned to listen to other viewpoints instead of coming here and making personal attacks,
But don't those viewpoints need to be realistic and truthful? Would you listen to anything Hitler would have to say if he were alive?
No, I do not follow the National Socialist/left wing line. That is for the genocidal types among you.
Well, I see that the history lesson I provided about the differences between National Socialism, Democratic Socialism and Socialist was completely ignored to remain rooted in whatever fallacy is believed to be 'true.' Done in typical Trumpian fashion - deny hard truths because they undermine the far-right talking points that were gleaned from some far-right media sourcing.
I see you are still in a state of denial and will not accept the fact that National socialists were socialists and, like those on the left, in favor of big government.
No denial, just looking at the dozens of articles that directly repudiate your claim. And national socialists were authoritarians, hence the big government desires. Not even close to the ideology of the left and more in line with the authoritarianism we are seeing from the MAGA cult.
Okay, keep on denying reality. National socialists were just like the others on the left, defenders of big government. Definitely in line.
Again, no denial of reality as both parties support big government when they are in power. In each of the last four years of the last GOP presidency, government spending increased, as did the national deficits. I just don't deny who my party is like the right does. Yes, we support big government, but that does not make one a socialist. Not even close. Nor does it equate to National Socialism by leaving out the word national.
Democrats are capitalists, just capitalists with limitations to protect the environment and the worker. Republicans are pure capitalists and do not care much for either of those two things.I will agree that Republicans too often support big government. That does not make them national socialists.
But that is exactly what you are using to tie Democrats to national socialism. So can you not recognize the flaw in your logic?
That is one of the things, correct. There is a lot more, including one of the left on here a few days ago suggesting genocide against Americans who support MAGA.
That's some stretch to equate weeding out with genocide. But not a stretch that is totally unexpected from a party that always looks to the most violent definitions in words instead of having an educated understand of how the English language works.
Weeding out, by the way, refers to killing the weeds. That was not even the comment though. The comment was a person suggesting that MAGA persons must be removed because they did not support his values.
Since you aren't American, I must forgive you for you not understanding American idioms. So, let me try this - MAGA persons must be voted out because they will/are destroying American democracy.
And how do you remove someone from a position in government? Maybe if you're in the far-right, you go right to genocide. Normal Americans would answer 'to vote.' Just another really glaring example of how the far-right thinks in this country. Always right to the most extreme violent option.
I don't think anybody but Trump can be that delusional. I wonder if he is just trolling and pulling our leg?
Belisario was all about big, authoritarian gov't. Wouldn't he b a socialist to?
See what I mean about trying to use Party instead of philosophy? You often, like in this case, get it wrong.
Talking about "Party" is always confusing, especially when time is is involved. I find it less confusing to talk in terms of conservative and liberal.
Yes, caught that --- this comment is still ringing in my ears " MAGA culture is not one America can afford to have around." And now this ---
Fox, Trump, MAGA, and their enablers have damaged American democracy, maybe permanently! Until the undemocratic, anti-America, election denying MAGA-types can get weeded out of every elected office they currently hold, America will never be safe again.
Weeded out - is not one America can afford to have around.
I mean does he realize, when he writes stuff like this it stays online --- forever... His words could be taken by some, as dog whistles.
Oh well, he has a right to free speech.Why does the right always seem to head right for the most violent interpretation of things? Weeded out simply means to remove one thing from another. The left understands how that has to be done, with the vote. It's what the party stands for, expanding the opportunities to vote and high turn out. And yet, you seemed to lean right into the most violent, and not really implied, option.
"Why does the right always seem to head right for the most violent interpretation of things? "
I think you need to look at me as an individual offering my view. No need to feel that all right-leaning individuals feel the same.
I can answer your question as an individual --- I may be very jaded in my opinions on dog whistles due to frequenting many other chats. For example on chats that are mainly conservative, one does not see as many negative words used by conservatives. I guess I am sensitive to some words that seem harsh to me.
I can't agree with your thought --"The left understands how that has to be done, with the vote. " I respect this is your view, but like I pointed out, we need to consider all as individuals. I don't think I speak for all that lean right, not sure you should think you can speak for all on the left.
I think you have the right to consider the user's words in another context than I do.
I think the problem is as a conservative I am not accustomed to using solutions to rid society of anyone I don't agree with. (not meant to be snarky, just honest.) When it comes down to it, I can respect your thoughts even when I may not agree. I don't push my views as written in stone. I think some on the left become very hyperbolic with their terminology. And yes, this seems unnecessary to me. But as I said -Oh well, he has a right to free speech.'I think you have the right to consider the user's words in another context than I do.'
True, and one is through a civic lens and one looks at the violent options as a default. In my opinion, this is the programming each viewer gets exposed to.Hey, I am sure some would not have read anything of a dog whistle into those statements I had a problem with. Maybe it's the times we are living through. Yes, I think I have spent more time on Truth, where one runs into more conservatives. I like HP, due to the people, we have a good mix here, and I have gotten over the years to know the users, and respect them.
You said it better.
If I meant anything other than voted out, I would have used the term eliminated.
Yet you aren't bothered by Trump's rhetoric.
BTW, "weed out" = "Voted out of office"This was about your words, not Trump's. Does Trump's rhetoric excuse t your statement? Get real... I would think you would drop this, but whatever. The statement " is not one America can afford to have around."
Is all kind of scary, IMOWill "America can't survive MAGA" be better for you?
Someone on another site posted no amount of money can repair the damage done to relationships between families and friends because of FOX lies. That is the real problem
"Democrats was the party of white nationalism " Yes, it was until around 1970 when the Right to Life movement drove southern democrats to the Republican Party - by design. (Google for the history. I've written about it ad nauseum because I lived through it in Georgia.)
"Political violence still comes overwhelmingly from the right, whether one looks at the Global Terrorism Database, FBI statistics, or other government or independent counts. Yet people committing far-right violence—particularly planned violence rather than spontaneous hate crimes—are older and more established than typical terrorists and violent criminals. " - The Journal for DemocracyKathleen, You have done your homework. I have a problem with any and all violence.
What are your thoughts about the recent Chicago riot, where young people took to the streets and became violent and destructive, and what we remember as the "Summer Of Love"? The summer violence left double-digit death and literally hundreds of millions in damage.
Just interested in your view on this form of violence.Are you insinuating that these youth planned a "riot" as you call it??
I would push that date backwards several decades. While racist Democrats still controlled the South, the Democratic Party had largely moved on from that terrible part of their history starting with Roosevelt.
It was in the 70s when the racist started matriculating to the Republican Party. Then, during Clinton's administration, I think, there was a rush of party switching when many of the formerly racists Democrats joined the Republican Party.
Fox's lying is not the first scandal Rupert Morduch has overseen. Phone hacking is another fun past time of his.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/media/do … index.htmlI find it hilarious, ludicrous, and awe inspiring that someone can equate Fascism with the Left, It is an extremely simplistic view that if something has the word "socialist" in their name means that in practice they practiced the kind of socialism associated with the Left. By that logic the next thing they are going to say is the Communist Worker's Party is all about workers.
In reality, the fascists are as about Right-Wing as you can get before, ironically, they become their arch-enemy, the communist. The political spectrum is NOT as straight line, it is a circle. Draw a circle and put representative democracy at the top, say the type American had until MAGA came along.
Then slide Left and you get to more of a focus on social justice and social welfare until you reach theoretical socialism, say half-way down the side. The further Left you go, you move into authoritarianism to meet those goals. Keep on going Left to get to the bottom of the circle, you are now into the realm of authoritarian communism.
Now slide to the Right. you head into various degrees of nationalism, restriction of human rights, and some sort of ethnic supremist.. Keep on going and you are staring down fascism with the bottom of the circle being once again total authoritarianism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … ocialists.Sharlee: No riot/violence/destruction is justified. The research just documents there is a greater incidence of it from the right than the left.
It would seem that calling a gathering spoiled by the violent actions of a few a "riot" doesn't fit the situation. It would seem that it wasn't the intent of all who gathered to "riot"
If I were walking through a busy city and violence erupts between 2 people having a conflict or even a group conflict between random people , I'm involved in a riot?
I did not go in any respect go into the makeup of the crowds. I did not stipulate anything but the resulting riots that incurred almost nightly, which is factual.
Your reading into the comment is something that is not there. It was obvious to me what occurred over some 90 days of rioting. Whether there were peaceful people in the crowd was very obvious to me. I never disputed that in my comments. Please check the comment in question.
I don't appreciate you reading something into my comment that just is not there. I have a problem with that.
Perhaps you could have just asked me if I felt there were peaceful protesters instead of assuming I did not.
SharThe thing is, factually, riots didn't occur nightly. Factually, they happened in only a small percentage of otherwise peaceful protest (data presented earlier). But if you listen to your side, riots are the only thing that happened.
Since you rarely, if ever, emphasize the massive number of peaceful protests, what else is he to think?
Not sure the right is going to agree that there is more rioting from them after the George Floyd protesting. And they have the stats to back up their stance.
I did not dispute Kathleen's research in fact I applauded it. Maybe read my comment...
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4291134
It was not me that brought up right and left... Just hoped to get her view on the two very different types of violence, which included right-wing.
Kathleen has not learned how to direct a comment to another. This conversation has gone off the rails. Please read where it all started.
Kathleen, I feel you misunderstood my comment. Please reread it.
My comment - "Kathleen, You have done your homework. I have a problem with any and all violence.
What are your thoughts about the recent Chicago riot, where young people took to the streets and became violent and destructive, and what we remember as the "Summer Of Love"? The summer violence left double-digit death and literally hundreds of millions in damage.
Just interested in your view on this FORM of violence.
I had hoped to distinguish that "Rightwing group violence" is very different than what we saw during the recent Chicago riot, and the Summer of Love violence. I implied that your research on right-wing violence was pretty much correct. I concurred due to some research I did on my own
This link was my resource
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r … st_attacks
I did not compare right or left... I was just asking -- "Just interested in your view on this FORM of violence."
No comparison whatsoever.
Lindell ordered to pay $5 million for his Prove Mike Wrong Challenge. Someone proved that Lindell's data that he had was complete nothingness.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mik … 49850.htmlIt is about time the MAGA liars get their just rewards! The pain for the My Pillow guy is just starting as the various defamation cases come to a close.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/politics … index.htmlHappy Days Are Here Again. Fox lets Carlson (and another right-wing extremists bomb thrower) go.
And THAT is how you make America Great Again.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/media/tu … index.htmlDon Lemon was terminated from his anchor role at CNN, he announced Monday. The news comes after Variety published a story earlier this month on allegations that he mistreated his FEMALE colleagues over the course of his career there. OH my and double YUCK
Checkmate ---Who was the greatest danger to America, Carlson or Lemon?
I can't take your concern seriously over Lemon's alleged misogyny when you never raised objections to Trump's obvious abuses of women. Did you ever write "OH my and double YUCK" regarding Trump's misogyny?
I'll go out on a limb here (not a very long one obviously) and say the the Atlanta DA will indict Trump between July and September. WHY? Because she laid down a marker for that period to tell the world who she is indicting. And because she is alerting the police to be on HIGH ALERT, it stands to reason that Trump is going to be one of them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/us/t … orgia.htmlDonald Trump is on Trial Again. Glad to see Trump couldn't get his trial postponed. The Battery (for rape) and Defamation civil trial starts today. He was too chicken to show up and look Carroll in the eye.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/25/politics … index.htmlNo you're off tangent. It was a civil rather than a criminal case. Carroll, could even been represent by her lawyers if she so choice and absent herself in court.
" Defamation civil trial starts today." And yes, she could have but didn't.
Fact is you don't and will not see anything good about Trump.
Wouldn't that be because there is very little good about him? Just to prove you wrong, here are a few good things about Trump:
1. He signed off on Operation Warp Speed
2. He probably doesn't beat his wife (just cheats on them)
3. I am sure I have mentioned a couple of other things he did in the past, but I can't remember them.'I am sure I have mentioned a couple of other things(good deeds) he did in the past, but I can't remember them now.' That's your trouble. That's where you get off tangent. You should think of Trump, in a balance spotlight. Your negative mindset of him is too excessive. Oddly, I attentive read the link you provide. I note the Judge, is engineering a bias mindset.
His actions have earned him a "negative mindset" in all reasonable people.
Please explain how the judge is doing that?By twisting my words, you're the only one fit doing the explaining.
Are you saying the judge twisted your words? I didn't know you knew each other.
It's you(the exotoric) that twist my words. Not the Judge, okay? Your last sentence that you don't know me and the Judge knows one another, don't makes sense to me. You know.
Trump raped me and then said he didn't even know me.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics … index.htmlWhether it's Trump or Caroll that's lying that I don't know.
But I agree with Caroll's lawyer why she keep silled lips publicly for years?.Based on his record, the odds are at least 10,000 to 1 that Trump is lying.
Federal court rules Trump cannot block Pence from testifying to grand jury investigating Jan. 6: reports
A federal appeals court on Wednesday rejected former President Trump’s effort to block former Vice President Mike Pence from testifying to a grand jury probing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to reports.Seems to be happening faster and faster now thankfully.
This will be the moment we are all waiting for, Pence sings like a canary under the penalty of perjury if he does not. Let it not take too much longer. If I were Pence, I would be nervous about "hit men" sent by Trump.
Even he would not be dumb enough to take the fall trying to protect Trump.One can hope but I dont know. He is running, that's a lot of votes he wont get.
I think Pence is an honorable man, and he will be truthful. Perhaps we need to wait and see what Pence has to say.
Fortunately, he has Secret Service protection.
In my view, it is so important Pence testifies. Transparency is the only way to get to the truth.
Unless Pence is summoned, I don't think he should appear to testify. But I welcomed transparency in the situation.
How long do you think we have to wait before Pence's testimony is weighed in to the charges against Trump?
Even this Republican sees the similarity between today's MAGA cult and the cult that put Hitler in power.
It happened in Germany and it has happened in America.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics … index.html
'The link leads me to nowhere.
A better America is what is needed.
Many thanks.The link worked for me.
I agree, we need a better America and Biden is doing a great job trying to get us there.
Former Vice President Mike Pence appeared Thursday before a federal grand jury investigating former President Trump’s efforts to remain in power after the 2020 election, a source familiar with the matter confirmed to The Hill.
The former vice president reportedly spent several hours at a courthouse in Washington, D.C., testifying on Thursday.
Pence has maintained he has nothing to hide from investigators about the fallout after the 2020 election.This is why James Madison did not like most States - they run roughshod over their citizens, especially the minority.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics … index.htmlHave you lost sight that the citizens in any given state voting in their representatives? Maybe you need to consider that... And by the way, they also vote them out. It seems very clear some have a problem with respecting other states, and the people that live in those states and vote in those states. It's really that simple.
Majority rules every time a vote is taken to place state representative --- the majority is heard.
It is clear you're against the concept of the majority. You seem to lean toward an authoritarian government -- where the people have little to say about what they would hope to see in their own state. Oh, forgot there would be no need for states.Have YOU lost sight that in most Red states, gerrymandering has taken away the rights of citizens to fairly choose their representatives? Legislatures, mostly Red, but some Blue, have drawn the map such that their Party is the majority in almost all districts.
Florida is about a 50/50 state, Republicans and Democrats. Yet DeSantis forced his legislature to draw the lines such that that his party ends up with a supermajority.
Democrats tried the same thing in New York but fair judges didn't allow it. In Florida, the judges are basically beholden to DeSantis, and Scott before him. So, any thing goes.
They will probably approve a bill working its way through the Florida legislature to effectively outlaw the Democratic Party.I now wish James Madison had gotten his way and allowed Congress to veto any State legislation. He knew this day of authoritarianism would come.
If he had of we would now be 50 separate countries rather than a union of 50. Not one of the original 13 would have tolerated the new Republic cancelling whatever laws they chose to make within their own borders whenever they chose to.
Probably, or more likely, he knew he could never get the Constitution ratified. But given how many of the Red states are abusing their citizens, his heart was in the right place.
'red states'? As an outsider, sounds like an American jargon unto md. Could you enlighten me? Much thanks.
Really? So, the Federal government should legislate state laws? This wou;d be a perfect example of authoritarianism. One body making all laws... OMG
It seems all of your logic is upside down. Please, read what you are posting.
Authoritarianism is characterized by highly concentrated and centralized government power maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential challengers. It uses political parties and mass organizations to mobilize people around the goals of the regime.
Your comment is still ringing in my ears " MAGA culture is not one America can afford to have around." ECO
Well, an authoritarian government that took the power from individual states could make your wish come true with a law outlawing what you call a MAGA culture. Not sure I want to think about how they would go about "not having them around". Or 'weeding them out" was another one of your sentiments.
weeded out quote -- https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4291036I didn't say that, did I? You twisted what I said. I said because some States have often, from before there was a United States, abuse the minorities in their citizenship, the Federal gov't needs to act as a check on the most egregious of the abuses.
One of the roles, and you probably disagree with this, of the federal gov't is to protect the citizens of the United States, regardless of where they reside. To do that, Congress needs the power to undo (BY A "MAJORITY "VOTE) what bad state legislatures do to their people. Mind you, that Majority represents the majority of the people via their representatives, to use your reasoning.
If the federal gov't doesn't protect the people, what good is it?
Jan. 6 convict embraces Trump at campaign event, calls for Pence’s execution
A woman who served time in prison for her involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection embraced former President Trump at a campaign rally in New Hampshire on Thursday before later saying that former Vice President Mike Pence and “every single” member of Congress who certified the 2020 election should be executed.
After QAnon supporter Micki Larson-Olson was pointed out to Trump as a “Jan. 6-er” by the crowd at a packed diner, Trump sought her out, calling her “terrific,” telling her to “hang in there” and giving her a hug, video shows.
Larson-Olson said in an NBC News interview the next day that Trump is the “real president” and that she “would like a front seat of Mike Pence being executed.”
“The punishment for treason is death, per the Constitution,” Larson-Olson said. “I believe every single person, every single person that stole a voice from our collective voice of ‘We the people, of the people, for the people, by the people,’ deserves death, and no less than that.”
Larson-Olson was arrested after climbing scaffolding on Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, 2021, according to the Justice Department. She was sentenced to six months in jail in September.
During the Capitol riot, she wore a Captain America costume, waving flags and resisting efforts from Capitol Police to remove her from the scaffolding, hanging onto it with her arms and legs. It took six officers to restrain her, with the release saying she screamed and fought the officers as she was apprehended.
She also called the officers “traitors,” the Justice Department said.
“My only regret is that I wasn’t stronger, that I couldn’t hold on longer,” she told NBC, adding that she drove 2,600 miles from Abilene, Texas, to attend the New Hampshire campaign event.
Salt of the earth!"“The punishment for treason is death, per the Constitution,” Larson-Olson said. “I believe every single person, every single person that stole a voice from our collective voice of ‘We the people, of the people, for the people, by the people,’ deserves death, and no less than that.” - ANDTHAT is the essence of MAGA.
And he called them patriots right there!
There is no doubt he's the traitor.
Two Trump train members settle out of court, apologize for conduct. Four others, police still under civil liability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LynDhN4n-XU
Best quote: MAGA - many aggrieved gullible a**clowns.Things are not going well for Trump in his civil Rape and Defamation trial in New York by E .Jean Carroll. From what I read, Carroll was an extremely powerful witness who apparently bested the defense lawyers. Remaining are the corroborating witnesses, the Trump Grab Them By The Pussy tape, and other supporting evidence.
It seems Trump is now worried and is asking for a mistrial because the judge as not been nice to him. More specifically, “The judge made pervasive unfair and prejudicial rulings” against him.. Awww, poor child.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/politics … index.htmlHappy to see that two jury's now see the insurrection on Jan 6, 2021 as what it really is in spite of strong denials by MAGA, including some on this forum.
Four more convicted of Seditious Conspiracy (another name for insurrection). All that is left now is convicting Trump on the same charge as their leader.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/04/politics … index.htmlMore signs that Trump started the ball rolling to the dissolution of Democracy in favor of an autocratic society. In GA, elected officials are now beholden to a politically appointed committee.
I suspect it is only a matter of days before this MAGA commission fires the Atlanta DA and puts a halt to her investigation into fellow MAGA Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics … index.htmlFINALLY, Trump, who has managed to use his wealth, power, and position if held ACCOUNTABLE for his bad actions. 65% of Americans must be jumping for joy!!
A jury finds he Sexually Assaulted E. Jean Carrol. as well as Defamed her. The jury recommended that Trump pay $2 million to her for the sexual assault and $3 million for the defamation.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ … index.htmlThe conservatives say that the recent Texas shooting is part of a random pattern like the weather? But, is it a mere coincidence that so many of these "mentally ill" people subscribe to the letter to rightwing fascist ideologies?
I think not, something wicked this way comes. And we have to see the trends and where they are leading and heed the warning before Nazi sympathizer s and structural racists move matters to a point beyond repair.
https://www.salon.com/2023/05/09/when-a … en-matter/Turns out the latest right-wing shooter was looking for people who didn't look like him (white-Hispanic) to kill in a mostly white populated mall.
I think Trump made a BIG mistake booking this Townhall with CNN? Even more so now that he has been found guilty/liable for sexual abuse (which only the CNN audience seems to care about) and defamation (which nobody, left or right, cares about)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/politics … index.htmlHmm. Pretty sure that multiple networks have reported he was found guilty of "battery" and of "defamation". That is far, far different from "sexual abuse".
Wonder who is telling the truth?All of them are reporting the same.
The jury awarded her $5 million in damages for her battery and defamation claims.
Asked on its verdict sheet whether Carroll, 79, had proven “by a preponderance of the evidence” that “Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll,” the nine-person jury checked the box that said “no.”
Asked whether Carroll had proven “by a preponderance of the evidence” that “Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll,” the jury checked the box that said “yes.”
Both allegations were elements of Carroll’s battery claim.
The six men and three women also found Trump had defamed Carroll by calling her claims a “hoax” and a “con job.”Which he is still doing. I wonder if she can bring another suit to get him to shut is mouth.
I wonder as well if the jurors (who the judge warned to keep their identities secret to avoid retribution from Trump and is cult followers) can sue him as well because he is calling their integrity into question?
You going to watch the CNN townhall tonight?I took the choice of "battery" to be the point. As you noted, the charge was 'battery,' either for rape as an act or sexual abuse as a category—with many inclusions.
The neutral presentation would have been: 'found liable for battery and defamation.' Choosing sexual abuse instead of battery is a biased presentation.
That biased presentation might be honestly earned but that doesn't change the point.
GAhe was found guilty of "battery" and of "defamation". That is far, far different from "sexual abuse".
It is not. There are different actions that could constitute battery. In his case, it was sexual abuse. That is relevant information since her allegation was of a sexual matter, and part of the lawsuit included defamation. Also, because he has been publicly accused by other women of similar actions.We may be operating with different definitions of what "sexual abuse" is.
Defamation is not in question. I think we both understand that one.
But I do wonder how claims of sexual abuse from other women and as unsupported as the one in question, has any bearing on this case. Guess I wasn't on the jury and will never know, but the temptation to join the "Me too!" crowd would certainly be a consideration to me. Especially when there are deep pockets to pay me with should I also go to court.We may be operating with different definitions of what "sexual abuse" is.
Yours vs the courts? I guess.
I mentioned the other sexual abuse allegations in response to GA and why was relevant to mention it was sexual abuse (here or the news).
I think, once more, you should get informed. Maybe it will be easy for you to understand what other are saying.So far, outside of your unsupported claim about a jury check off list (didn't have one for the single jury I've served on), I have seen nothing from the court about sexual abuse.
Certainly it didn't seem to fit the national legal definition I looked up, which is why I said we may be using different definitions.
(Are you sure it wasn't sexual battery, not abuse? That would seem to fit better, as there was no rape.)In explaining a finding of sexual abuse to the jury, the judge said it had two elements: that Trump subjected Carroll to sexual contact without consent by use of force, and that it was for the purpose of sexual gratification.
You can check The Guardian, NY Times, FoxNews, BBC, etc.The choices were Rape and Sexual Abuse. tell me, does sexual battery make it sound better? The man is a sexual predator. You know the old saying, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it is a duck.
I just can't figure out what is about this man that makes you defend his vile actions.
You just go on believing that Carroll wasn't raped if it makes you feel better.Have you noticed you never support your claims yet you chastise those of us who often do. Some things, like the well reported check boxes don't need support. Why the hypocrisy?
Can you provide an example in this short section of a claim that I made? No? Then what claims are you talking about?
The ones you put in my keyboard, that I never typed?Since I don't do that, I don't know what you are talking about. I just read what you write, which rarely if ever has supporting documentation, and comment on it.
Because it establishes a pattern of conduct by Trump. What is it up to now, 16 or 18 woman have come forward claiming sexual abuse? Of course you are ignoring the sworn testimony of two woman who Carroll called immediately after what I personally think was a rape.
I'll ignore the rest of the deflection.
It is a truthful and accurate presentation and not biased at all. It fairly describes the nature of his offence. To try to minimize the offense and trying to make it equitant to a battery of being slapped in the face seems to be the bias here.
Would this be a better formulation? Trump was found liable for battery which was caused by the sexual abuse of the plaintiff.Only if it came from the court, not from you. Your extreme bias is will known, as is your use of loaded words to give an impression that is not true (such as "weapons of war" for common hunting rifles that never see a battlefield).
Back to obtuseness and ad homonym again, I see.
You've a point wilderness. Let's hear what the appeal court will say on the verdict. And Trump, being a sort of turbulent character he is, would likely appeal up to the Supreme Court.
The appeals court doesn't rule on the verdict. They rule on whether he got a fair trial or not. Clearly, he did.
Let the appeal court do the talking, not you. Whether Trump had a fair trail or not I can't say. Your legal system looks more complicate to me than the British.
Yes, your new formulation is the more unbiased presentation. Consider why the original sentence made the point with sexual abuse first and battery as its validation.
That is the point I read the 'other' statement to be making.
GANot semantics, but connotation, and that does make a difference.
GA
Sexual abuse constituted the battery. They couldn't all agree on Rape being the battery so they settled on Sexual Abuse.
?? Then why wasn't he charged with sexual abuse? Because that only came from your mind and not the court?
Because sexual abuse, in a civil trial, IS battery, duh. Why are you defending Trump?
Sgt Perry shot Garrett Foster at a Black Lives protest. Both men were armed, Perry with a handgun and Foster with an AK-47. Perry was an Uber driver who violated Army rules by driving into the protest crowd after running a red light. Foster motioned for Perry to role down his window at which time Perry shot Forster multiple times. Perry claims Foster raised his rifle but witnesses testified that he didn't raise his rifle.
Based on Perry's social media posts the jury had every reason to believe Perry went to the protest to kill someone. As a result, they found in guilty and the judge gave him 25 years.
Now, this is why this is in the Coup forum. Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, has already petitioned the parole board to pardon Perry because he thinks, without evidence, Perry didn't gee a fair trial and that Texas has some of the strongest so-called "stand you ground" laws around.
"“I am working as swiftly as Texas law allows regarding the pardon of Sgt. Perry,” he said on Twitter on Saturday afternoon, after being blasted by hardline conservatives, including firebrand Fox News host Tucker Carlson, on Friday night for his lack of immediate response. - from the Texas Tribune.
Also,
“This is unprecedented,” state Rep. Ron Reynolds, chair of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus, said in a statement this week. “In a state where this governor often touts the ‘rule of law’ and cracking down on crime, here we see him openly stating his intention of pardoning a convicted murderer who took the life of a protester.”
Finally, Abbotts democracy destroying tweet that signals the beginning of the end of rule of law as we know it. It also gives permission for anybody in Texas who sees a gun to kill the person holding the gun.
“I am working as swiftly as Texas law allows regarding the pardon of Sgt. Perry,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a tweet Saturday. “Texas has one of the strongest ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws of self-defense that cannot be nullified by a jury or a progressive District Attorney.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13 … 0response.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/us/danie … index.htmlYep, that is what he does and is his right. He has no grounds however that will stand up to any scrutiny.
The only reason there was no rape was that the victim pushed him off of her before he could finish.
I would have thought penetration of any sort would constitute rape. She testified that he used both his fingers and his penis. God, he is a sick, mentally ill man.
I bet they play the part about him saying that "stars" regularly sexually abuse women which is unfortunate or fortunate. (I guess depending on your point of view.)
There is no doubt in my mind that Trump actually raped Carroll. I base that on three things:
1) They established he has a habit of sexually abusing women.
2) Carroll testified under oath that he did
3) But the kicker for me is she immediately described her experience to two friends who also testified under oath that that description was rape.
I can't believe there was anybody on that jury who could see it differently. Obviously, at least one did and he (yes, I bet it was a male) was adamant.
Given it only took the jury three hours to reach an obvious conclusion, the others might have felt that sexual abuse was "good enough".
TODAY'S REPUBLICAN PARTY (full of fine upstanding supporters of a coup)
Donald Trump
Ron DeSantis
George Santos
Greg Abbott
Marjorie Taylor Green
Wimp Kevin McCarthy
Lauren Boebert
Ron Johnson
Rand Paul
Elise Stefanik
Andy Biggs
Paul Gosar
Darrell Issa
Matt Gaetz
James Comer
Jim Jordan
Scott Perry
Pete Sessions
Chip Roy
Blackburn, Marsha
Braun, Mike
Cotton, Tom
Cruz, Ted
Hawley, Josh
Hyde-Smith, Cindy
Lee, Mike
Scott, Rick
Tuberville, Tommy
All Members of Team CoupWell ESO, we have really lowered our National standards, the continued presentation of constant impropriety on all fronts by this man, Trump, should to be enough to disqualify him from any higher office. How do people lower themselves to accomodate this man?
Republicans disguise rat droppings as pepper and the naive among them still use it to season their red meat.
Just started watching the Trump townhall. He started out with lies about the election. He will not publicly admit the Trump.
Trump voter asked Trump will stop the polarizing lies (my word) about the 2020 election results.
Trump asked about wanting to suspend the Constitution - he dodged.
Collins asked about no evidence of election fraud. Trump said she had an agenda with that question and called half the audience "stupid".Jan 6 - Any regrets. He spoke to the "largest crowd" ever. Called Chris Miller a liar about Trump not offering National Guard. Trump said Miller never said. Collins said he testified to that. Trump replies he never said that.
Trump is still denying ever meeting Carroll. He is still defaming her. Saying this a Fake story. The trial was rigged. She is a "whack job", he says.
Trump's solution to inflation is drill for oil, LOL.
He lied again by saying we have more oil under our soil than "any other country in the world" - Lie.
I think he will pass 1,000 lies just in this townhall.
He lies about the strength of the economy under him where the economy was "rockin an' rolling" before Covid.
Just said US should default if there are no spending cuts.
First honest thing he said. Collins pointed out that Trump said you can't hold the country hostage. He agreed. Asked why he said that then Answer - because he was president. Asked - why he says default today. Answer - because I am not president.All of the migrants are sick, Trump claims.
Trump says he "finished" the wall - a lie.
Trump keeps saying the election was rigged. Collins said it wasn't rigged. Trump says it was rigged.
Trump says he built 100s of miles of new wall. Collins tells the truth that only built 52 miles.
Trump said he will take babies about mothers' arms again.
Trump says America gives too much money to Ukraine because Europe
Trump will settle the war in 24 hours, lol
Trump doesn't care who wins the war.
Trump doesn't want to say Putin is a war criminal
Trump says we spent $171 billion. It is actually $75 billion
Trump says he had every right to take all those records to Mar-a-lago
Trump has the right, as a former president to show the classified documents to whoever he wants. ROFL.
Just called Collins a "nasty" person.
Trump wonders why FBI hasn't raided Biden's house for documents. Collins says the reason is, Biden let them in without a subpoena.
Trump didn't ask Rosenberger for 18,000 votes.Trump will not accept the results of the 2024 election if he thinks it is rigged - AGAIN
I really thought Trump would walk off because Collings would not back down from his lies and kept correct the record.
When Trump made fun of Carroll's account the Republicans in the audience applauded.Now that America has seen this parade of lies, racial slurs, misogyny - Trump will not win. Independents and women must be throwing up right now.
BTW, the way Trump can end the Ukraine war is by turning over Ukraine to Putin.
Trump, was mostly silent when the Russia- Ukraine war break out. Biden likewise keep mute for long. I think it was politics. Let's just wait and see. Trump, is aiming for the White House's Oval Office again. I assume the GOP will nominate him again. Though Pence, is also interest. Keep the money on the table. 2024 will speak out all about it. My crystal ball is dozing off.
I don't recall Biden being mute. He acted immediately.
He took side with his Chinese masters to pleased Russia, right?
No, you are reading Trump history.
REAL history shows the Chinese sided with Russia while Biden stiff-armed both and masterfully built a strong, unified NATO/European coalition to enable Ukraine to be able first stop the Russian aggressor and then push Russia back. Ukraine was ONLY able to do that because of Biden's great leadership.Agreed that China sided with Russia. But biden is more on the side of China, right? Trump, also build up NATO to some extend. History is balanced.
Read your history again - Trump wanted to disband NATO. Why? It cost us too much and didn't help him in any way.
And no, Biden is doing what he can to keep China at bay.
- (April 12, 2023): US Department of Commerce Imposes Export Controls on 12 More Chinese Companies
- (March 16, 2023) – US Auditors to Reportedly Launch Another Round of On-Site Inspections of Accounting Firms in Hong Kong and Mainland China.
- (March 2, 2023) – US Commerce Department Adds 28 Chinese Companies to Entity List.
- (February 3, 2023) – US Secretary of State Antony Blinken postpones planned trip to China amid fallout from Chinese airship, according to media reports.
- (October 7 – 13, 2022): US Department of Commerce implements new export controls on advanced computing and semiconductors to China.
- (August 23, 2022) – the US adds another seven China entities to its export control list
- (June 21, 2022) – US ban on Xinjiang imports takes effect.
And then there is the CHIPS act designed, among other things, to prevent America from ever becoming dependent on Asian (including Chinese) supplied semiconductors.
And the list goes on. You just can't believe anything you read in American right-wing media outlets. For the most part it is anti-American propaganda.According to you, I may be wrong. But I may also be right. These acts of biden are relatively recent. Trump begs Chairman Xi to buy USA grains, the later don't gave in much thought. Whose back yard is the question?
What do you mean "according to you"? Are you saying I am lying like the Right often does?
The list is recent because I got tired of providing you examples. As I said, the list went back to 2021 when Biden became President over Trump's violent objections.
PROVE to me where Biden is "BEGGING" China to buy American grain. Are you against American farmers making money?It's Trump that begs biden to buy American grains, not old joe biden, right? Re-read my post again. 'According to you'. What? I thought that should be simplily clear to a strongman as you're. Don't deceive yourself!
I bet you were scribbling notes as you watched. so much manna ...
As I watched my reaction went from 'what the hell' to just shaking my head. But I knew you would be giddy with the prospects he offered.
I think the moderator got steamrolled. Not that she didn't stand her ground, I think she did a good job. No one could have stopped that wave—short of cutting the mic and killing the lights.
You might be right about the effect on Moderates and Independents.
GAYep, I was. I couldn't keep up with his gusher of lies, however.
Now that America has seen this parade of lies, racial slurs, misogyny - Trump will not win. Independents and women must be throwing up right now.
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I don't know, ESO, Trump seems to have an allure that transcends those aspects of a personality that would, for a normal person, be a turn off.
I think that the fear of democracy, multiculturalism and an undercurrent of carefully shrouded white supremacy in America is the real reason such a person continues to survive and prosper in American politics. In maintaining the status quo, Anglo oriented women and independents can't necessarily be counted on to see things differently.
When it was possible to maintain the political, cultural and economic status quo and still speak of a democratic society, it all was good. The numbers, demographics are changing where we may see in the not too remote future, the once exalted being humbled.
And there are many more that beat to that door than would like to admit and is the sole explanation as to why the Trump dirigible continues to stay aloft. It does say a lot about us all though. What else has Trump been outside of a poor example? Is particle board now a substitute for "presidential timber"?
It is not a nice conclusion, but
Again, that is just my observation and opinion.......I like that - Is particle board now a substitute for "presidential timber"!
Also, I think the "shroud" has been taken off the "white supremacy". It is pretty overt to me with governors like DeSantis and Abbott taking a chainsaw to the rule of law in favor of white extremists.
I don't understand how ANY real America who believes in our shared values could vote for what is clearly a mentally unbalanced, piece of garbage. But then I don't understand why people support any Authoritarian from Hitler to Putin. I makes no sense whatsoever. Then again, I don't understand the dynamics of a cult either. I keep thinking people have rational brains but keep getting proven wrong.
I said it before the 2020 election and heard Republican pundits say it again last night - Trump is not gaining votes, he is only losing them. Because he had so many Real Republicans vote for Biden (or, more likely, not vote at all for him) in 2020, I can only assume it will be worse in 2024.
Well, to use some of Trump's favorite phrases, the Durham report was totally biased and a witch hunt which totally exonerated the FBI and failing to convict a single person at trial. The one guilty plea as minor and the agent admitted he shouldn't have done it.
I will go with the Inspector General's report rather than this hit job. WHY? Because the IG was an honest arbiter while Durham was not.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ … ham-report
Notice that Garland did not spin this report like Trump's handpicked apologist, Barr, did the Republican Mueller report.It simply AMAZESES me that Trump is so stupid that he didn't know he had to go through a process to declassify documents. Every time he claims he can declassify just by thinking about it is an admission that 1) he is really, really, dumb or 2) he is lying and therefore obstructing justice.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/politics … index.htmlBiden likewise was found with some classify document whdn he left office as VP. The world have not heard much about that. So is VP Pence. Why such a common dislike and hatrer for Trump by America? God help Trump.
God probably doesn't like Trump much either. Why does most of America (other than the 30% who belong to his cult) dislike Trump? If you haven't heard, he stands against everything Americans like to think we believe in like honesty, truthfulness, ethical behavior - you know silly traits like that.
Just came out that every president since Ronald Reagan accidentally took classified documents when they shouldn't have. The difference between Trump and the rest is that with Trump, it was no accident.God dosen't like Trump? God can't make a mistake in creating a man or woman.
Conservatives say He does everyday, just ask any LGBTQ person that is suffering under Red State anti-gay laws.
Yes, conservatives may say that. Yes, every L GBTQ or gay or same sex group, may say that. But what does the Independent and Liberal say?
And what difference does what Independents and Liberals say? It is the Conservatives who are saying that the gay community are mistakes of nature, mistakes of God.
That's the eratic bent of human beings. God is divine. He's not nature. Those mistakes arising on mankinds side due to hard drugs.
So you are saying being gay is the result of hard drugs?
In my extended family, they was a man who had 3 childrens all boys. The last behave more like a girl when growing, and more like a woman as a grown-up. His dad was a drug addict, always on the bad side of the family, and the community. In the old days, such a fella deserves to be sold into slavery. Critically, rumour had it that he approach a voodoo priest before the third child (a supposed girl) was born, to change the sex to a boy. Genetic manipulate or hard drug? What d' you think? What d' you say?
It looks like Jordan's FBI so-called whistleblowers are MAGA extremists. For at least for two of them, the FBI had revoked their security clearances for attending or participating in the Jan 6 insurrection. Do we have disgruntled employees here rather than real whistleblowers?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/politics … index.htmlFormer Trump lawyer thinks Trump will end up in jail.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 … of-vpx.cnnThe world watches. May God help Trump. God save America!
Hopefully God has washed His hands of Trump. But, America does need saving from Trump.
God never wash his hands off any person. We're still all accountably to Him. But countries like Russia, China, (communist countries) and certain Arab Islamic block are a threat to the USA. D' you dispute that? You evidently know that but are ignoring the fact. Trump upheld that in banning the group even from Nigeria entering America..
What was your God's plan for the children in Uvalde, TX that were murdered last year? Or the kids at Marjorie Stoneman High in FL. Or the children killed by Putin's missiles?
Why did your God send the Israelites off to murder the Canaanites?
Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. ~1 Samuel 15:3
Were the children of Uvalde and Marjorie-Stoneman related to Amaleks?Has America no God? Ask Him. You're or America prays: God save America! Does what happen in Texas no longer stay put there? How come its related to Amalak? Curious and wondering. And by the way, who made you a Prophet to me?
Nobody made me a prophet, lol. I am just asking questions and pointing things out.
Good. If you can't ask ' Why God?', why not better ask within you?
I already have. I have probably spent more years than you have been alive thinking about the issue. I am satisfied with the answer I have come up with.
Rather than initiate a new, and justified, defamation against what Trump recently said on CNN, she is asking the current judge to amend her complaint and add the latest insults in order to increase the punitive damage award. Maybe $10 million will keep his vile mouth shut.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/22/politics … index.htmlSpeaking of keeping his mouth shut, a NY judge is about to do that in his felony fraud case.
Donald Trump has always said and done exactly what he wants when he wants in a turbulent business and political life that has defied all efforts to bring him under control.
But on Tuesday, the ex-president will be subject to someone else’s timetable and authority, amid increasing signs the legal system may represent a vein of accountability even Trump cannot flout.
Trump is due to appear by remote video at a hearing where a judge will explain the limits of what he can say about the business records and hush money case in Manhattan in which he became the first former president to be criminally indicted earlier this spring. His appearance, in a case in which he has pleaded not guilty, is largely a procedural affair. But it is one of the first of what may become multiple occasions when Trump is compelled to appear in court when he would rather be promoting his bid for a third Republican nomination – or doing just about anything else.
From the same article:
On another front, two sources familiar with the investigation said prosecutors with the special counsel’s office subpoenaed the Trump Organization for information regarding business deals in foreign countries. One of the sources suggested investigators appear to be focused on the ex-president’s dealings in nations that could have possibly been interested in the types of classified materials recovered from Mar-a-Lago after he left office.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics … index.html
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