There are some men who want women not to be equal, assertive, and independent persons of their own accord. They believe, even strongly assert that women are to be subservient to them. They are of the school that women serve no purpose but to be wives and mothers. They even vehemently argue that women are the best in their early 20s and after that, they are of lower quality because of age. These are other men who exceedingly prize women based upon looks, denigrating women who they deem aren't beautiful. These men seem increasingly threatened by intelligent, independent, and assertive women. Your thoughts on this?
I think this depends on their age and how they were raised.
Old school mannerisms.
Look at the conservative mindset, are they not the ones that overwhelmingly display such an attitude? When we talk of misogyny, this is not coming from the left.
Yes indeed, stoning a woman that dares to speak out against her father or husband.
Intelligent, Independent, assertive women whipped, beaten, and locked away from society until they have learned obedience.
Definitely part of the "conservative mindset" Credence, absolutely.
"There are some men who want women not to be equal, assertive, and independent persons of their own accord. They believe, even strongly assert that women are to be subservient to them. They are of the school that women serve no purpose but to be wives and mothers."
That has nothing to do with beatings. Where are you regarding the yardstick provided above? Are these attitudes characteristic of any body that you know?
You and I spoken about this before, Ken.
Just because the women are not subject to daily beatings an such does not support the idea that sexism and misogyny are not components of this society. No one is talking about whipping them and locking them away from society.
Credence, knowingly or unknowingly, Ken has just described the mindset of the Middle Eastern Society. I think he was just too nice to take names and kick ass. Conversely, I have a neighbor who is a Black Muslim. He does not regard his life partner as subservient nor mistreat her in that manner. In fact, she runs her own business and he helps her. In the last five or so years he has become disabled and works from his wheelchair. I've known them for 10 years.
In my world, everybody is entled to respect and opportunity to be his or her own person. That sort of put me at odds with the concept of "gender roles".
Putting people in "boxes" is just another expression of unjustified power and control of some over others.
Im sure there will always be some men who feel and act this way. People are often unable and or unwilling to overcome their personal flaws. And may not even see their own flaws.
Luckily we live in a society where women have a lot of freedom from this kind of crap. It will never fully be eradicated though. It may not even survive till the end of the century. I feel blessed that I live at this time. I didn't always feel this way though. I didn't realize how lucky I was, or that I deserved to be treated equal to a man.
I don't know men like this, I've never been around men like this. But, you aren't the first to bring up this topic.
I am blessed with such amazing men in my life, beginning with my Dad and Grandfathers, they never made me feel inferior to my brothers or male cousins. My husband and I do life and run a business together, we are equal partners in the business. He does his thing, I do mine, as we both work toward OUR retirement.
I can't see my sons ever feeling superior to their fiances or expecting them to be subservient...it would be amusing to watch them try! lol My daughter wouldn't take it from her husband either...there would definitely be fireworks, all the way around!
I love the study of history, religions, and even prehistory. Remember stories about the Amazons, a matriarchal society? Then the pendulum swung to male dominance where men ruled the tribe, clan, government, and definitely the household. To protect what was "theirs" women became possessions who were bought, sold, and traded. In olden times, the more high class the society, the more sheltered and protected the women were. Among the lower classes, and when the new world was settled, women took their places beside their men so families could survive the wilderness. Their hold was relaxed some, but this was still a male dominated society.
To get a little Biblical on you, we are now in the stage of creating the "heaven on earth" or the New Age 5th Dimension, and the Divine Feminine is returning to earth. This time it is to balance the male-female relationships on the planet, and someday there will be equality for all.
Some men are holdovers from the male dominated society and don't want to let go. They are threatened by strong women, while more advanced males see and treat women as equals. I believe that we as a world society -- with the exception of societies of strong fundamentalist conservative religions -- are moving toward the equality of women. Even some of them are giving way. I think we have to view conservatism as part of religion whether it be Judaism, Christian, or Muslim. Some people aren't religious, but their beliefs are still a holdover from their religious conservative ancestors. It will take awhile for this to be wiped out and true equality to be shared among the sexes.
Women initiate it. They control everything. They are the ones who hold out the apple. The Eves of the world. It's so odd to me that Marilyn Monroe complained about not being respected. Look how she was and what she did to be seen and regarded. She did it all.
and then she complains and acts like such a victim.
Men will treat women the way women let them. It's as simple as that.
If you want to be a strong woman, no one can stop you. Most women like the help of men. They go too far, however, in attracting them with their illusive moon glow, which includes being/ACTING submissive.
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