Paul Ryan Wants to Destroy Seniors. He Will Kill Them

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bgamallposted 12 years ago
Seniors will die without health care if Paul Ryan gets his way. He wants to terminate medicare, take the savings and give that money to the rich. He wants to give seniors vouchers, but tie the vouchers to the CPI rather than to health care product increases. Eventually, the vouchers will not cover the costs, and seniors will not get health care and will die.

Wake up America. If you want health care when you are old, don't ever vote Republican again, ever.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  BS
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just because you say it? I don't think so.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, then, why did seniors survive before these programs were implemented? It's not like these programs are the only reason why people live to be 80. Nice try though.
  
  And on top of that, why aren't old people responsible for their own savings? Why is it that I'm expected to pay for my bills, but not seniors?
  
  It's BS. Not because I say it is, but because logic demands it.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The US has the shortest life expectancy of any so-called advanced country.
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  Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Evan - Medicare came about because in a lot in cases, Seniors didn't survive. Not for lack of savings. These were people who had retirement planned. But on a fixed income the high cost of private medical insurance was impossible. Old people tend to get sick and someone told the insurance companies. So one person would get sick - something expensive. Fitst goes savings then the house. The surviving spouse was frequently destitute. Did this happen to everyone? No. But it happened often enough for Congress to act. Medicare is not perfect but it remains one of the most popular federal programs.
  
  Ryan would cut funding to Medicare - AND turn it over to the insurance industry - which would further diminish benefits by 15% or more. That's how much the increased overhead of private insurance costs. And the private sector would be free to include clauses which would allow them to deny coverage.
  
  Take a step backwards - 60 years back.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Notice how he vanishes?
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  DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am utterly amazed that the Far Right has no problem with the idea of public money going to the private sector, but private money going to the government (taxes) is evil and anti-American.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Evan is a little different from the far right. He essentially wants to go back to pre-Civil War days. Oh yeah, and sides with the South openly, though he has a Japanese wife. Not sure how that goes over during dinner, but he is not the normal far right. Consider Evan a Ron/Rand Paul commercial.
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  Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "Oh yeah, and sides with the South openly, though he has a Japanese wife."
  
  The South wasn't at war with Japan.
  
  They probably get along just fine.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't bother arguing with Texas. He's a jerk.
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  Moonchild60posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  YEs, my husband was telling me this last week, because he is 57 and I am 50 and it will affect those under 55 he said "What are you going to do AnnMarie? You will only have a voucher which won't cover all your expenses". I said "Well I am in good health now, hopefully i can keep it up till I'm dead". Frankly, I am not betting on it. (And what the hell did he mean what am I going to do about it???)
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's not BS. He would put us in the hands of the for profit insurance companies, the for profit hospitals and the for profit doctors.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  NOT PROFIT!!!
  
  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The insurance companies, last I heard, are in it for profit. And many of the doctors and hospitals are for-profit as well. Not to mention the drug companies who are almost as big ripoff artists as the health care insurance companies.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Subways in it for profit; McDonald's is in it for profit; I'm in it for profit; Obama's in it for profit; YOU'RE in it for profit...
  
  ... dude. We're ALL in it for profit.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But when the vouchers are set up not to keep up with the cost of the for profit insurance companies, people will die Evan.
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  Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Life and death are not products like burgers and fries to be traded for whatever the market will bear.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  if a company makes profit, that means that they're helping people. (Unless, of course, government is intervening).
  
  If you dislike it, start your own company and lower prices.
  
  Ta-da.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You really should research what this country was like before gvt intervened.
  
  My grandfather felt the brunt of it: kicked out on his can at 65.
  
  No. Business left to its own device will screw people over for a buck. They HONESTLY don't care if people die.
  
  That is the truth of the matter.
  With very few exceptions. And, as you know, exceptions are not the rule.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  By stealing money from me, government makes my life better?
  
  I'm really not following your logic...
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  By allowing businesses to treat people how they will, there were no safe-guards against the greed of the pay-masters. They could literally work little children 14 hrs a day!!
  And no consequences for the deaths and diseases some of these businesses fostered. STILL aren't, if you ask me!
  
  1. You work here, you follow some basic guidelines of decency...slavery ended centuries ago...supposedly.
  2. You live here, you use America and her people....you pay for the priviledge!
  3. You don't want to pay taxes? There are countries that operate that way! We aren't one of them.
  
  It's very simple.
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No Evan, if a company makes a profit, that only means they make a profit, it doesn't mean that they help people, conversely, it doesn't mean they hinder people either.
  It only means that they make a profit.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If I make a profit, that means that I gave someone something that they were willing to pay a LOT for.
  
  That means that they REALLY wanted it.
  
  Which means that I delivered something that they wanted.
  
  Thus I helped them.
  
  Nice try though. I see you still haven't read those books I linked you to? G'day, mate!
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are all your thoughts and opinions got out of books then Evan? You haven't actually got an original thought in your head, is that what you are telling me?
  
  By the way, drug dealers make a lot of profit selling stuff people really need, that, by your reckoning makes them almost saints.
  
  Oh,and by the way, you can count both legal and illegal drug dealers in that.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Drug dealers sell things to people who want them. What's wrong with that?
  
  The real problem is why they go around murdering people. That is because it's illegal. That's government.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  AHHHH! Now we get down to how Evan really thinks. Profit IS helping people. Despite that the profit doesn't go to the people, but to a small few. Again, a misrepresented argument. If you start a company and take 99% of the profits, who are you helping? You are helping YOU dude. AGAIN-
  CORPORATE SHILL.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Dude, I don't know what your problem is, but you sure have a negative attitude.
  
  I never once have contradicted myself (as you seem to suggest), and if I WERE a corporate shill, then I sure as hell would NOT be wasting my time in grad school.
  
  You clearly have no experience with management, and lack basic economic understanding. Yes - profits DO go to only one group of people, but they tell other entrepreneurs that they can make a fortune in that sector of the economy. For example: if you're making a profit of $50 on each burger you sell, I bet a lot of burger joints are going to pop up right next to you because OTHER PEOPLE see you making a fortune and they want the money.
  
  Thanks for playing. I'm done with you.
  
  I would play the game, but I have lesson plans to write, and I get enough disrespect from my students that I don't need it from you.
  
  Yes, I'M paying money to EDUCATE others. ... but I'm REALLY doing it out of greed - I want a nice home, I WANT a good life, I WANT to be a teacher, I WANT!! mememememe!!!
  
  Wake up. The only reason why you can type on a computer is because of greed and profits.
  
  Anyway - I'm not going to bother responding to you. You're WAY too negative and insulting. If you bother to look at the post-times of our comments, you posted hours after I did. I probably left to do something else.
  
  I'm willing to play the game with Jeff Berndt, John Holden, Ralph Deeds, Mighty Mom, and Doug Hughes (and others - I disagree with plenty of conservatives: OLYHOOCH, AnnCee, Lady_Love158).
  
  But you're just a jerk.
  
  Bye bye, now.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually Evan, I've finished graduate school already. I've already taught as an associate professor. I've already prepared lesson plans, and NOW, I am an operations manager of a $120 million dollar logistics provider. That is not a huge amount comparatively speaking, but we do alright.
  I am negative when it comes to you. You are a proponent of a financial system that doesn't use numbers. You are a proponent of the South with regards to the Civil War. You throw out bs forum posts about black lung not being a problem giving a source, not reading the source, as it lists coal miners as one of the MOST DANGEROUS jobs, and that resource didn't even include black lung issues. Basically, you shill dude. You always throw out a simplistic understanding of larger issues, cased in a "in a perfect world" type of scenario...like, why don't the coal miners just move somewhere else do something else, proving you haven't the slightest clue how working people live and the difficulties they go through daily.
  Basically dude, I am a jerk to you because I think you actually have a desire to know legitimate truths...but are too closed minded to actually question your own belief structure, plus, you are around my age. I'll be upfront: I get on here usually when I am pissed and need a place to vent, to fight/debate issues...I need that in life. Nobody I know would consider talking politics with me, due to the amount of time they know I spend on it and my ability to recall instantly. SO, I come on here.
  I believe the views you spout are basically bad, not a bad idea, but bad at their core. That is, of course, my opinion and my opinion means less than a hamburger.
  HOWEVER, i won't let you throw out crap and not get called on it...that is when I have time to log on.
  You don't acknowledge anything. Beat me on a statistic or an idea, and I'll tell you that you are right and I was wrong. I want to be proven wrong...that is how I find out what is correct. I seek the accurate information, regardless of my personal perspective. That is how I got my personal perspective to begin with. You say you aren't a corporate shill, then push the idea that black lung isn't even a problem, THEN try to tell me again that you never cross yourself, and that you are in grad school so you can't be a corporate shill, which is ridiculous.
  I can list 10 economics professors who are corporate shills. I give you a hard time because you have potential...you just have to get out of your own way.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Now you can take your ball and go home or you can be a big boy.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The funny thing is...I put you as a right winger, not like most others however. That being said, I actually like you. For some reason, you appear to be a person with a soul, just not too introspective. You are incredibly intelligent, and have obviously worked to educate yourself...and I respect that.
  However, I am still an ass sometimes dude. If bs gets tossed out and I see it, chances are, I won't be too kind in responding. I used to be when I first got on here, then LALO, Tom. Civ, Rachel, and the like got to me. Maybe I should lighten up. I have no idea how Ralph stays so calm.
  
  Ralph - do you do yoga?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Very true. From what I've read there's nothing in Ryan's plan that would reduce the rate of increase in the cost of health care. His plan would only shift the cost to senior citizens and the profits to insurance companies and drug companies.
  "Socialize the cost and privatize the profits."
  
  This article by Gretchen Morgenson provides insight into the topic:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/busin … f=business
  
  “When compensation is excessive, that should be a red flag,” Mr. Meyer says. “Does the company exist for the benefit of shareholders or insiders?”
  
  As investors scan corporate proxy statements this spring and prepare to vote in annual elections for company directors, executive pay is again moving to center stage. After a few years in the wilderness, top executives are getting hefty raises, according to Equilar, a compensation analysis firm in Redwood City, Calif. But while outrage over executive pay has been eclipsed in recent years by anger over the causes and consequences of the financial crisis, compensation issues still resonate among many investors.
  
  Of course, pay is just one item that Mr. Meyer takes into account when analyzing companies. In his search for shares he can own “forever,” he also hunts for companies with high-quality earnings — that is, those that don’t depend on accounting tricks — as well as generous cash flows and management integrity. Companies he avoids include those that award oodles of stock or options to their executives. Such grants vastly dilute the earnings left over for a company’s owners: its shareholders.
  
  “Stock-based compensation plans are often nothing more than legalized front-running, insider trading and stock-watering all wrapped up in one package,” Mr. Meyer says.
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  Texasbetaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wait, Evan...you say NOT FOR PROFIT...then when called out, you say...hey, we are all in it for profit.
  DUDE - do you ever quit? Do you ever look at yourself in the mirror?
  SSSSHHHHHHIIIIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!
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  trielesstravelerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The two largest health care providers in California are not for profit. Kaiser Permanente and Blue Shield.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If I'm not mistaken, United Health Care is the largest provider in the country
  
  GOOD NEWS! McGuire Forced to Cough Up $618 Million
  
  Ousted CEO of United Health Care and giant, parasitic, blood-sucking leech (please excuse my redundancy) on society, William McGuire, was forced to disgorge $418 million of his ill-gotten gains to settle charges of stealing from his shareholders, not to mention the public, by back-dating his stock options, The $418 million he was forced to cough up was on top of a prior $200 million, bringing his total disgorgement to an astounding $600 million, the Wall Street Journal reported today December 6. 2007..
  
  Don't feel too sorry for Dr. McGuire. He was allowed to keep $800 million of his stock options! He won't be applying for Medicaid soon.
  
  And we wonder why rising health care costs are bankrupting the nation while millions can't afford health care insurance!
  
  Steal a loaf of bread and go to jail. Steal $600 million and return it without admitting or denying gulit.
  
  As an old Colombian saying goes "The law is a mad dog that bites only the poor."
  
  Here's a link to Eric Dash's article in the NYT 12-7-07 which contains all the gory details.
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/busin … tions.html
  
  HealthSouth is another leech on society--
  
  Richard Scrushy Settles with SEC for $81 Million
  
  Disgraced former CEO of HealthSouth agreed to disgorge $81 million of his ill-gotten gains in order to settle an SEC lawsuit. He narrowly escaped conviction on criminal charges last year.
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Richard_Scrushy … tten_Gains
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Chief of the GOP death panel.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Ryan is.
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  Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Will they die in the streets by the thousands?
  
  Oh my.
  
  Another liberal going into hysterics in hopes it scares enough people to vote their way.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  POT MEET KETTLE.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, we are all good little capitalist slaves. We'll die quietly at home so as not to upset people lke you.
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  Moonchild60posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hahahahahahaha...that was funny.
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  tirelesstravelerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So come up with something new. I have heard 9 Democrats say "the Republicans will kill old people". They don't say how? Except they may have to eat dog food. Eating dog food may be a good idea. Dog food formulas are so sophisticated. Have you looked at the price of dog food? People demand very premium food for their dogs.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No--they actually HAVE the death panels Palin accused Obama of.
  
  "They’re known as the Arizona 98. All of them are in need of a life-saving transplant. On Saturday, with time running out for many of them, the “Dream of Life Intervention Coalition” staged a silent protest against the state’s move to trim Medicaid transplant funding in an effort to reduce the budget deficit. The Tucson demonstration began with one protestor, who was then joined by 19 others. A similar event was held in Phoenix Saturday.
  
  In Tucson, instead of calling aloud for Governor Brewer to restore funding, Emily Cameron let her sign do the talking. 9 On Your Side asked Cameron why she would stage a silent demonstration when her life is on the line.
  
  “I think that will come soon,” Cameron said. She was carrying a sign that read, “$5 Million to Sheriff Babeu, zero to dying citizens.” Cameron was referring to the amount recently provided to Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu to fight drug and human smugglers."
  
  http://eideard.wordpress.com/2011/03/08 … ath-panel/
  
  People's lives vs Prison-for-Profit industry.....
  Guess who won?
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  maven101posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Talk about tunnel vision...Your blinkered declaration doesn't deserve serious discussion...Perhaps a little history lesson will correct that...
  
  Obamacare was written with the help of uber-democrat Tom Daschle, whose book on health care, " Critical: What We Can Do About The Health-Care Crisis ", advocates the practice of sacrifice to be forced on Seniors.
  Among the openly socialistic and callous measures outlined in this book, Daschle advises that Seniors be categorically denied treatment so that resources can be spent on the young and the able.
  Daschle further specifies that Seniors who receive a “hopeless diagnosis” need to accept their condition and not seek treatment for it. In other words, even though Seniors have paid into the system their entire lives, they will be viewed henceforth as useless burdens to the State and treated accordingly. 1984 redux...
  In case you missed it, Obamacare will kill seniors, not some republican congressman...
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Obama isn't Daschle. And we already know that loony tune governor of Arizona failed to fund the transplant program for medicaid and people have died. The Republicans beat the Dems to death panels.
  
  And the Ryan plan sets the vouchers to regular inflation, not the rise in health care. It dooms seniors. And the money saved is given to the rich and is not job creating to boot. http://www.businessinsider.com/deficit- … gdp-2011-4
  
  Ryan is a disgusting little twit who had too many wedgies as a child.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking for all conservatives we don't want to kill old people. Their meat is far too tough. I would much rather stop abortions wasting all those succulent minority babies. Their flesh is much more tender and they come in a much handier portion size.
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  galleryofgraceposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Seniors are already without health care!
  For example : a seniors social security income $500 a month - a woman because women have always been paid less than men.No other income to speak of. At 65 medicare kicks in which ONLY PAYS for in hospital stays and nothing else. Take $110 0r $115 a month from that to pay for medicare part B in case there's a doctor visit sometime or other and what do you have left? How about food, how about rent, how about anything.
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  weholdthesetruthsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  People who write such offensive lies as titles of posts should be permanently banned.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
Yeah--they sure got bamboozled and kanoozled.

And sorry to say, but it was cause of their own greed. They thought they were voting to cut OTHER people's funding...they never thought it would touch theirs.

Well hello----a swinging machete cares not where it hits, just as long as there's blood...and lots of it.

The worst was seeing those signs: "Keep your gvt hands off my medicare"....

See, they thought all the cuts would hit all those "welfare people"...those "lazy bums who take my money"...errrr, that would include you too.

Cripes! They should have listened to us Libs...we KNEW what the Bagtards were all about....Bush on steroids.

Reap the whirlwind fellow Americans...you've been HAD.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think the seniors will make this mistake again. I think they won't forget.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I live in a retirement community. Trust me, they are just as gung-ho Tea Party now as they were before.
  
  I loved a conversation last week warning us that Congress just voted to give Social Security benefits to illegal aliens. That's ridiculous enough, but the capper was that it was followed by "This is why Obama should be impeached!"
  
  So, apparently this mythical new law passed by Congress is his fault. Sometimes my jaw drops so hard I really cannot speak for several seconds.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You need to tell them that Ryan will hurt them and their children permanently.
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bgamallposted 12 years ago
Where are AnnCee and Lady to refute what I say? Come on, bring it on.
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  DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Vega I think...
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Street fighter? Maybe a little.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
I thought you said Vegas!!
First thought was of them onstage in a can-can, then it was of them sitting at the slots pulling those arms like maniacs...

C'Mon...hating Obama is not giving me enough...come to mama!!!
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If they get on the phone and threaten their congressmen with defeat, the Ryan bill will never see the light of day.
  
  I am amazed that our conservative pundits are so shamed that they can't comment! This is shameful.
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  BRING 'em on! Us old guys know how to shoot.
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  jerrylposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Shoot low men, they're ridin shetlands!
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  Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ROFLMAO
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps it is the propaganda style title that leads one to simply ignore a baited thread?
  
  It seems obvious that you are searching for conflict.
  
  Good Luck with that?
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I get it...you people are the only ones allowed to start conflict with your threads....
  
  Giving yet again, the meaning to the phrase: "Can dish it out, but can't take it."
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Reality is biting you eagle. You start threads with less truth and more conflict. You people.
  
  I always like to call them "you people". It gets under their skin.
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  Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Them? How many voices do you hear?
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BobbiRantposted 12 years ago
Yes and conservatives are the only ones allowed to 'label' anyone too. Yes the voucher thing is up for proposal and when I've written hubs about the Republicans trying to kill of a good share of the population, some writers said: "Oh, no." Well when it's Their turn will they still say 'oh no?'
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  what are you talking about, Liberals label people all the time.
  
  Shush with your nonsense.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This is not nonsense. We are telling it exactly like it is.
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knolyourselfposted 12 years ago
"Republicans trying to kill of a good share of the population,". I don't think they are. I don't think this type of Republican is that bright.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The real interest is to get more insurance money into the hands of the private sector. They then want seniors to pay more and it will kill some of them.
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BobbiRantposted 12 years ago
They are bought and paid for by corporations that wish to kill a good share of people off, the rich think they will reach immortality and our natural resources are dwindling. I think they are cunning and smart enough to kill of quite a few. The rich do not care to share the dwindling resources with the likes of us.
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Mighty Momposted 12 years ago
Just like the riders they put in as bargaining chips that came "this close" to shutting down the federal government yesterday, I think (hope) Ryan's proposal is just an extreme starting point.
His budget will never get through.

I saw it described as "both ludicrous and cruel."
I understand government is about playing hardball. But not with people's lives.
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knolyourselfposted 12 years ago
"Well, then, why did seniors survive before these programs were implemented?" They didn't. Lifespan much less then.
"why aren't old people responsible for their own savings?" How are the rich going to get rich if they pay those kind of wages?
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  you're right! technology HAS improved, and thus treating old people is now CHEAPER.
  
  but people were still able to pay their way without stealing from one another.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing is cheaper because the manipulation of prices by big pharma is just like for big oil, big finance. It is all a scam against mainstreet. A trader came on CNBC the other day and said that speculation has driving the price of a gallon of gas up by at least $1.50 per gallon. You are being scammed Evan and you don't even know it.
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  Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The speculators contribute nothing to the commodities that they trade and their profits are extracted from the end users.
  
  This is different from "hedging" used by those involved in the actual production or processing of a commodity. They hedge to lock in their expected selling prices and so bring stability, not volatility, to the markets.
  
  The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is supposed to control any wild speculating but they have been ineffective because some members will not allow any effective regulation of anything, and they have the majority of votes, as of now.
  
  One of the "blockers" is Dem. Michael Dunn whose term is up in July and Obama is now picking his replacement. If the new member is willing to allow the board to function, we can expect some moderation in oil, grains and other prices, as the speculators are brought under control.
  
  The fear now is that Obama may be worried about not rocking the boat with the Republicans, and may appoint another less-than-enthusiastic regulator. Let's hope not.
  
  Speculating isn't free marketing, it's gaming the system to no one's benefit except the speculators themselves.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. It is different for companies that actually take possession of the commodities to hedge. It is not ok for companies that never take possession, like JPM or Goldman Sachs, to churn these contracts, driving the price up with false demand.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  BIG PHARMA!!
  
  EEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!
  
  I sure do hate it when companies compete to give me things that I want to pay for.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do they charge you more for the same drug you can get in other countries cheaper? And made by the same companies!!
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you agree that "big pharma" is even castrated by competition?
  
  Unfortunately your government - the holiest of angels - makes it illegal for you to buy the generics.
  
  Don't blame "big pharma", blame government.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, I blame big pharma for colluding to charge too much here.
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  BobbiRantposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Evan: YOU plan to be 30 or even 40 Forever? Or do you plan to be obligated to be dead at 50? Just love it when 25 year olds think they will be 25 forever!
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I plan on saving my money up, and using it to buy my own way in life.
  
  Unfortunately, 50% of my money will be taxed away from me year after year.
  
  Federal income tax + state income tax + sales tax + tariffs + inflation + gas taxes + countless other taxes = ~50%.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And of course you get NOTHING in return..
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  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed, I get very little in return.
  
  I could get much more from a free-market system.
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  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You have no clue how much benefit you get.
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  galleryofgraceposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not just other countries. Meds and doctor visits cost more if you have insurance and you get more treatments, wonder why?
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knolyourselfposted 12 years ago
"but people were still able to pay their way without stealing from one another."
certainly people were more honest back in the day. Country was more rural. Everybody had gardens. The family was more a unit. So they could feed themselves and take care of one another.
Today it is just work for the man.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
His plan is called "Path to Prosperity"....talk about Orwellian double-speak!

Bush tax cuts made permanent....top tax rates down to 25%.
Who's prosperity here?

No shared sacrifice, NOR shared prosperity!!

55 and over---you're in SS.
Others----block grants and bank-run plans.

In other words, For Profit, or not at all.
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Ralph Deedsposted 12 years ago
Average CEO compensation $9 million.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-shee … t6B8aLUL4B

CEOs at 200 major companies received, on average, a $9.6 million paycheck last year—up 12 percent from 2009. That puts executive compensation at pre-recession levels, except in those cases where CEOs are actually making more than they were then. Best off was Viacom’s Philippe P. Dauman, who made $84.5 million for nine months of work. New financial-regulation rules intended to restrain CEO pay appear not to have worked.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, hooorah!!
  They will get ANOTHER tax break!!!
  
  Meanwhile, seniors will pay more for living (to foster profits), on an average $18,000 a year income.
  
  Poor people, hell, they don't want you to even have healthcare!
  But--make sure you drop those babies out, you hear!
  
  What has gotten IN to us?
  
  "Paul Ryan receives 174k, health care benefits and a pension but talks about welfare queens"
  
  Where is HIS sacrifice??? I would love to know.
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  DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Average CEO tenure, what, 4 years - Ever notice how the "pool" of CEO's is very much like senior military command? No one is left for too long in one position.
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hottopicsposted 12 years ago
Until you are in the health care system like I am, you have no right to comment. Let me tell you the facts. The current system PAYS FOR NOTHING!!. I have had health issues for the last 3 years. I have paid alot of money into the system with the belief I would recieve proper health care. All most EVERYTHING my doctors wanted to do or test have been denied. due to this I almost died in December. The hospital and my doctors decided to save me and said to hell with medicare. But since, I am back to the same. I am still in the hospital and will be here till the end of the year at least. Between healing and rehab, I still have a long way to go.

But under Ryans proposal, his plan is to give me the grant and I CAN DECIDE HOW APPLY IT TO MY TREATMENTS!!! Taking the healthcare providers out of the equation will only help all americans whether you use Medicare or Medicaid. In addition, this system will save money by eliminating all the fraud like over chargeing and e,iminating people who do not need the assitance. This plan may not be perfect, but it is much better than the one we have.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, the states get the grant, and they decide if healthcare is a priority or not.
  Given what we have seen with these new Repub gvrs....what do YOU think their priority will be?
  
  SURE won't be the average Joe, that is for DAM sure.
  
  Or-you can let the banks handle it...with large fee's for service, of course. Like they charge $3.50 to get your money out of a "foreign" bank. I imagine they will charge for every medical transaction whatsoever.
  HEY! Don't pick up that pen to write that check....it'll cost you! WHOA! Do NOT sit down in the waiting room....they charge for comfort!!
  
  Why can't we just have the plan that THEY get?
  John Kerry has been asking that for years.
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  hottopicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you read the proposal? Of course not but yet you are commenting on where the money goes. Must be an MSNBC viewer. By the way, John Kerry only jumped on boared with that after Republicans going back to the Bush administration mentioned it. Funny back then he wasw against it. There was something similar to it under Bushs proposal, the one Kerry voted against. In fact Kerry voted against any health care proposal exept the disaster Obama pushed though.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  True enough...I did not read it, will not read it, will not consider it if it comes from that tea-bagging crowd.
  As a wise woman once said: "Experience is the best teacher"...and from what we've experienced lo these 2 years....they have nothing to sell that I'm buyin!
  
  And yes, I do watch MSNBC...although not as frequently, now that my Keithy is gone.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
Oh, and by your logic, unless you can have a baby--no man has the right to comment on abortion!
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  hottopicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You can comment on anything but like I said unless you experience it you cannot understand it. By your logic you can comment as an authority on what it is like inside a burning builing for a firefighter. But your comments would only show your ignorance unless like me you have been a firefighter, one with 9 medals of honor by the way.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There's the difference: I would not deem to comment on firefighting, but ALL these men make it their business to decide what goes on in my uterus!
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  tony0724posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually that is a false argument. They just don't want to fund it.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  They don't! Hyde Amendment...continued by Obama. No federal monies go to fund abortion.
  
  You are telling me what I can and cannot do with my own money!
  
  It's not about money, it's about ideology. It's about governing by church.
  For, if it was money...you already won that one.
  If not ideology.....why did so many church-going Christians support the Iraq war? WAR KILLS BABIES.
  
  YOU want to control women. PERIOD.
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  hottopicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am pro choice too, no one has the right to tell you what you can do to your body. I say for those who are so pro life, go adopt a child from the United States foster system. But, my tax dollars should not fund it. Planned Parenthood does a lot of good services, but I could see how people believe some of their federal funding is funneled to abortions. The is a simple cure for this. Planned Parenthood should create another company that performs the abortions. That way the federal funds given Planned Parenthood will stay with them and the contraversy is over.
  
  As for not considering any proposal put forward, that is why nothing gets done in Washington. Repubs and Dems will not listen to each other If they did and comprimised with each other, it would be amazing what could be accomplished. If you read my other hub about the possible government shutdown, you see I said repubs need to pull their riders and the government would stay open. That is what they did, comprise.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Their idea of working together is having everything their way or the highway.
  Sorry--Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Not again with these bag-heads.
  
  And, the funding for PP IS separated out already! They CANNOT fund abortions, period. People just don't want poor woman having healthcare at all.
  No healthcare, no help with daycare, no livable wage. Just pop those babies out and SUFFER.
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  hottopicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thats my point, both sides want it their way. By the way, seems to me thats how health care bill was passed. Dems said my way or the highway. I am tired of both sides messing everything up and we Americans have to pay for it. I say congress should pay for it, take it out of their paychecks!!
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The health care reform bill contains quite a few features designed to reduce the rate of increase in health care costs. The Ryan proposal has none. He would just take a meat axe to Medicare and Medicaid and push seniors and low income people into the arms of the insurance industry and for profit health providers.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
Seniors in UK do not go down without a fight!!

'The National Pensioners Convention (NPC) is to hold its biggest nationwide protest on Monday, April 11, against government spending cuts before pension offices.

Some 1.5 million Britons are to protest at the coalition plan of freezing pension credits and huge cuts to vital services. The protest is to be held in London, Southampton, Walsall, Newcastle and Warrington on April 11.'

Read more: British Pensioners to Hold Protests
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  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But wait, how long before some hubber has a go at us Brits for not taking it lying down.
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Lita C. Malicdemposted 12 years ago
I'm a senior living it up on my own, including my health care as a diabetic. In my country, we have to apply for a senior card so as to become beneficiary to a minimal fund assist when we are hospitalized. Who wants to go to a hospital begging for government alms? We have many faces of Ryan Paul all over the world- choking seniors to death, it's unfair but we have to live with them wolves.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  He is lower than a self respecting wolf. I would not dishonor a wolf that way.
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Diane Insideposted 12 years ago
Okay I worked in the therapy department of a hospital for 10 years, I have to tell you right now, that no matter what happens there most likely will not be medicare when we are seniors because the misuse of medicare money is prevalent in every department of the hospital and nursing homes. I've seen where the money goes and how the hospitals and nursing homes are bleeding it dry. You are all fooling yourselves if you think there will be a medicare in the future. Democrat, republican it won't matter.
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Obama had a plan to control costs. The Republicans stopped it in the last congress.
  
  This is being done by this little wimp Ryan in order to drop the tax rate for the top 1 percent of the fascists in this nation who don't want to pay any tax. This is done to give pharma more money out of the pockets of seniors. This must be stopped.
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  Diane Insideposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, what I'm saying is not the cost of health care, but the misuse of health care. I saw patients recieving treatments, therapy, drugs, consultations, that were totally unnecessary. Because each department has figured out ways to bill medicare for every little nit picky thing. I saw people who therapy wouldn't help and would only prolong there agony being persuaded to participate. I saw patients being administered drugs which are totally inappropriate for the diagnoses but doctors and therapists, pharmacists, nurses, everyone knows how to word documentation to get the most out of medicare. And it happens everyday all day long in every facility in America. Sorry but thats the cold hard truth. Cutting costs wouldn't help they would only find more to bill medicare for.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And they do the same things to the insurance companies.
  Try going in just for a doctor's visit and telling them you have no insurance. They charge you significantly less than what they charge the insurance companies. Had relatives that will verify that.
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, then it's quite OBVIOUS that no one can be trusted when it comes to money.....
  
  THAT is why we should take the money out of it.
  No profit--No scampering to get it.
  
  Huge regulations and watching these people's every move, I geuss...since not one of them can be trusted.
  
  You have to ask yourself why we spend more, and get less......what is it about Americans that will make a profit on their own citizens health????
  
  I know one thing: If a group SHOWS you the only thing they care about is making money---why in the world would you put them in charge of your mom's health?
  
  Single-Payer! Cap on salaries. Medicine is a Sacred Art--not a cash-cow!
  Take cap off FICA--solvent forever.
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BillyDRitchieposted 12 years ago
You know, some threads you just don't have to read to know they are over the top ridiculous.......this is one I could safely pass on.....
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  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Really? I thought bg was paying Ann and Lady, et al, a compliment by emulating their tactics?
  
  Surely what's good for the goose, and all?
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  BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So if it turns out that BG is a paid poster for the Democrats, you'd have the same issues with him as you do with Lalo (since accusing her of such seems to be the whole playbook lately,..)
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am an independent. I post what I believe. This is the only forum that I generally post to, along with Business Insider and sometimes Seeking Alpha. I have written against the Dems.
  
  Read my hubs, and my articles and posts at Business Insider and Seeking Alpha, against Geithner, Rubin, Clinton and others who colluded with the Republicans to attack mainstreet with predatory loans.
  
  It is just that they are the lesser of two evils when it comes to consumer protection, and they get a "D" while the Republicans get an "F".
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  BobbiRantposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes bg, and you have more than 3 hubs to your name too, unlike Some 'ladies' we know. Talk about Some people grasping at straws. An opinion around here brings on bullies.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
It's not some Republican congressman, it's *RYANCARE* scary music.....

It's Ryancare. It's HIS plan his his his Ryancare Ryancare Ryancare.

Only his and his alone....just as the poor saps have labeled --so shalt the tables be turned on them.

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
Cornel West: Paul Ryan & Greed http://dlvr.it/NGvNd

ps; Laura Flanders was once a talk-radio person in the Boston area....back when the owners cared about real discussion, not Russsshhhhhhhh.

I heard a brief clip of him today: He's off his rocker. Seriously, the venom is off the charts.

Did you know Liberals HATE HATE, just HATE somebody, I can't remember who.

maybe he should get back on oxy? or go back to smoking weed....something Russsshhhhhhhhh-you're going to have a heartattack.
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Pcunixposted 12 years ago
I was hoping that blatant attacks on Medicare and SS would wake up my generation to the dangers of the Right. But no, just as clueless as ever.
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  iQwestposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. When we're looking under ever rock to save a billion here and a billion there to cut the deficit (from programs that help those most in need), our Representatives can't seem to remember that they didn't have any problem giving tens of billions of dollars worth of tax cuts to the wealthiest in our society.
  
  You'd think people would be scratching their heads over this. But, in large part, no.
  
  You'd think people would say, "gee, our Representative is screaming about how they hate socialism and government sponsored anything, but he / she has a government job and the worlds finest health care (sponsored by the government).
  
  No matter how bad it gets, people don't seem to get it.
  
  Ideology and ignorance over helping others and common sense.
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
"American Conservatism: Privatize the healthcare; socialize the uterus."
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lovemychrisposted 12 years ago
"The Paul Ryan budget plan cures cancer"-Heritage Foundation

Ryancare....better than fairy-dust
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prettydarkhorseposted 12 years ago
"This is the same guy that voted for two wars that were unpaid for, voted for the Bush tax cuts that were unpaid for, voted for the prescription drug bill that cost as much as my health care bill--but wasn't paid for" - from the Presidents mouth
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  DTR0005posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I read that as well. It seems a little hypocritical on his behalf, no?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  maybe his budget will be passed in the Congress! Senate and executive are different story..
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  prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  and now the passed budget at the lower house will be scrutinized at the Senate, then executive, showdown!!
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fdoleacposted 12 years ago
It's hard to imagine that he actually believes this is good for the country.
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course he doesn't believe or care whether it's good for the country. He thinks it would be good for the people who are supporting his campaigns--drug companies, insurance companies and some of the richest Americans.
  
  As has been pointed out, Ryan who's now a big advocate of balancing the budget on the backs of the old and the poor, voted for the Bush tax cuts and unfunded Medicare give-away to the drug companies that helped put us in hole. As somebody said he's a "lying reptilian humanoid."
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  bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There is more to it. As I wrote as Gary Anderson on Business Insider, his plan to balance this budget with 6 trillion in savings requires another housing ponzi bubble. What a guy!
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