How does God speak to you? What's the difference between a highly respected religious person saying God spoke to him or a man saying he hears voices and being locked away in a insanity ward?
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Paula this is not correct: " Genuinely mentally ill people are not at all aware that they are sick." For one we would not know they were mentally ill if they did not get treatment. They get treatment so they must know they need it. (undiagnosed first
Eric...In terms of psychosis, by it's very nature, the person affected cannot & does not grasp the concept of being a victim of this malady. U R now correcting a college Prof of Behavioral Sciences? They do not seek help voluntarily!
Surely you must realize you have stepped over the boundaries of your knowledge & education & just made a complete fool of URself ~insisting you know better than someone who teaches these courses. Stick to what U know Eric. This topic is not
Do U merely submit words w/o substance & wisdom 4 the sake of seeing UR Urself in print, whether U have any knowledge or you don't? In this case, Eric, you do not NOT.
My logical approach still makes sense. If they are being treated for psychosis then they know they have it. Your denial of that concept is very interesting.
Eric, This is not a personal DENIAL. It is absolute Medical fact. You may be confusing psychosis w/ neurosis. A psychosis is a break from REALITY. The treatment is forced or mandated under these circumstances. UR comment is absolute rubbish.
OK - Medical Fact: No psychotic knows that he is ill. I find that premise of yours to be ludicrous. ".they themselves are not aware." that is a gross irresponsible overgeneralization that is wrong.
It is NOT a premise of mine, Eric. A psychosis (hearing voices) is REAL to the victim! They do NOT see it as an illness. What is LUDICROUS is U making ignorant statements on a topic UR not qualified nor licensed to make! STICK TO PREACHING, ERIC!!
Eric, U need 2 know I have reported U 4 harassment. ACCEPT what is FACT & reality & CEASE making medical claims U know NOTHING about! UR ignorance is dangerous 2 actual victims of illness & the innocents in their lives.UR wrong, Eric. Dr
This is a warning 2 U Eric:YOU will not continue 2 bully me nor try to berate my forte.U obviously want to be singled out.No problem. U shall get UR wish. U should B ashamed of URself Old man! U display ignorance & misogyny!
I am perfectly OK. U, on the other hand, fail to grasp the simplest fact that individuals w/ a psychosis "THINK" they are just "fine" & NOT mentally ill. U REALLY don't get this?? U have a serious issue URSELF, Eric. ARGUING proves UR ignorance.
You sound really upset that I disagree with you. I apologize for upsetting you. But I do not agree with you. I know two psychotic people and they both know they are ill and do fine with medication. We talk about it.
The Q is SPECIFIC( "hearing voices") We do NOT refer to "psychotic people!" but to "victims of psychotic episodes." How insensitive UR! The 2 U claim 2 know obviously had therapy & put on Rx. When IN the episode they did NOT know they were ill!!
U did not "upset me". U disgusted me w/ UR ignorance of mental illness I INSISTENCE to argue w/ my education & 40 yrs. of experience! as if U know better & U do NOT! Do I tell U how to preach?? No! "Disagreeing" w/ an expert doesn't make U r
as I have stated, it only displays UR ignorance & shows U R intentionally harassing! Do not LIE, Eric. U certainly meant to upset me w/ UR repeated brow-beating ~ not having a CLUE what U were talking about!. I will NOT allow U to berate me!
Simply said Mr. Dierker, I see thru UR BS & phony image & do not appreciate U or UR attitude. In short, I don't like U. Do not address me on this site. I told U this B4 & UR immature reply was that "U would lecture me when U please!" Gu
WOW....Eric...what on God's Earth did you do to this lady?
NO! U will NOT. I have placed U on warning that U will not harass me nor dispute my comments which I have a RIGHT to state. Find Urself another woman to bully. U preach "love" & behave like a misogynist! Back away from me is all I will say! DONE
Clive I just disagreed with her. I think it becomes somewhat obvious to a casual observer that I did nothing wrong and that this name calling is a reflection on her much more than on me. She just kind of admitted she had overstated. "in episode"
U R actually going to LIE some more, Eric? You "just disagreed with me?" No, U brow-beated & harassed thinking U could prove your erroneous BS.Trying to make me "wrong." The reflection is ALL on U. U R just not MAN enough to take it.
How do you know? When I was a small abused child, about 4 or 5, God taught me great lessons through pictures in my mind. They calmed my fears of death, and I understood them Just as physical energy cannot be destroyed, neither can spiritual.
Suppose i said, God told me to Destroy You. Would you beleive God told me that or would you believe i am crazy?
Neither. But we are all influenced by our level of Consciousness. Still, God can and does ask His messengers from time to time to behave in a particular way. Christ to die; Arjuna to fight. In both cases, there were greater good involved.
Christ didn't have to die. God could have "forgiven" mankind without killing his "only son". That is an illogical fallacy. If God can do anything, then he could just simply speak - "all is forgiven". What sense did killing Jesus make?
Thanks Austinstar. Nice to re-connect again. Valid point, to an extent. From the highest standpoint, Spirit sanctions, approves or tolerates. Nothing happens without the Will of Spirit. But this argues from the standpoint, that Spirit is ALL.
Sorry, I didn't understand that. Are you saying your god REQUIRES a blood sacrifice? And if so, why can't he change that requirement, because, you know, he's supposed to be god, right? He could just forgive and forget.
I wonder why God set forth and allowed the crucifixion of His Son? That is a great question for mere mortals to ponder. Wow I wish God did just sit down with me and explain things. I probably could not understand it if He did.
No my Sweet Austin. I do not use those words. I have always gone the way of Love. I am saying that this Universe is really Spirit/Consciousness. As is you and I. We are all made in Its image. This body is Spirit with form, and all's done by Spirit
You call it spirit, and i call it quantum physics. Whatever.
That is a cool agreement.
Austinstar: Christ's existence was to prove someone could live in the flesh, endure all that animosity, and still follow God's path. It also balanced the scale Adam tipped by disobeying God, so humans could get receive salvation.
Misfit Chick. I love your response to Clive's question. I believe fully as you do. Temptations will always be there, but as we grow and ask God for deliverance, they become fewer..
Me too-Christ said: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirt.
No 'deliverance' or 'salvation' necessary - at all. Spiritual deceptions are everywhere; and spiritual connections are DIRECT. If you believe you need a 'god' to save you - you're being lied to. YOU are 'christos' just as Christ was. Try the above. )
And so we are stuck with God within us. We waste that and we fail. We exalt that and search deeper we exhale life. We believe that it is love that is God and in each one of us. How great is that!? What else is everywhere?
"We waste that and we fail." There is no 'fail' within staying in the moment. You're not trying to connect with everything or 'everywhere' - if anything, you're connecting to yourself and of course 'god' within you - that's it. No big secrets.
We find it and we are blessed. But we must love those still without.
No one is 'without' and we're all equally blessed - whether we 'realize' this connection, or not. Life certainly becomes easier to navigate when we do; and love falls in line - in fact, everything 'falls in line'. No extra effort needed. :)
"And so we are stuck with God within us." My God, Eric, what do you mean by that? We are stuck with God? My 40 years of metaphysical training and spirituality is happy to recognize and know my God within. Please explain yours.
Misfit if a child or teenager says things not right we do not say what religion or belief are you. No we think what a rotten person of character.
Anyone christain and Atheist can say bad things
I'm not sure on your point, K&T. What I talk about above is something everyone can (and probably should) do no matter what their beliefs are. The civilized world is programmed to 'escape' too much. This is too simple, right? Why does Buddha laugh
Misfit I am missing your point.
Are you saying a doctor can be wrong and patient still lives. I will agree with you. But from a spirtual view continued life will be based on accurate knowledge not by our opinion , not by our believe or none belief.
I try not to "hate" things, but I really hate it when Joe Shmoe and his mom think they can diagnose insanity. And that lo, they must. This is Hitleresque thinking at its dumbest. And I think never in the Universe has any group of people lived in herd
You have answered the question with more sense and understanding than most that I have read. Imagine if the Wright brothers did not believe they could get their little plane to fly.
"Choose!" (Joshua 24:15)!
Either good or evil - "consequences!"
Clive..As 2 UR Ques to Eric (above)....I know you can READ, Clive. U needn't ask what he did....READ it! The man intentionally & repeatedly harassed me & argued w/ my knowledge. I simply will not allow this or let him get away w/ bullying!
So God never speaks to man?
Are you saying that you don't not think 'verbally,' that is, in words? If you do, you could say that is a 'voice in your head.' Do you think your might be schizoid because of that? What about when you're deciding, arguing for and against?
It could be your own thinking. Not necessarily a voice.
The point that everytime a voice is heard something bad has happen or will happen.
The same with Muhammad the voice of the spirit attacked him by squeezing him breathless. Violently forcing him to repeat words because he could not read.
Miz Bejabbers, Your story concerning your sister touched me. It is added proof that the Doctors are misdiagnosing medical conditions more and more, and so quick to prescribe antidepressants when not needed.
Sorry to hear of your suffering. This resonates with me and my beliefs: "if “it just didn’t feel right,” it was not our higher self or God speaking because God only speaks through love."
My thanks to you both, Ruby and Eric.
Suppose God orders you to kill? how would you know that it isn't him or the devil. God has ordered men to kill before, right?
If the voice in my head is love, it could still be I suffer from insanity and hear God. What if you were so crazy that you just went around loving everyone and everything.
my answer already fully answers both your comments. Please read it again if you have time.
Always test the voice up against scripture. God will never tell you anything contrary to it. If the voice does, it is not from God.
Oztinato, you got it right! Remember all these feelings are a projection of ourselves. We are all connected to one another at another level. We are to renounce negative voices/feelings and strive for the positive. Research Near Death Experiences.
In Luke 10:18 Jesus said "I saw Satan fall like lightning from on high." According to Strong's Hebrew Lexicon BARAK O BAMAH means 'lightning from on high'. But that was only God's Son talking.
Lolita that's very true, good idea to compare that voice with scriptures. REMEMBER God speaks through individuals also when He want to talk to you, that's the beauty in knowing when it's Him talking.
When Muhammad refused he attacked him by squeezing him so hard he barly could breath. This became the beginning of repeated saying and words Muhammad from
The spirit. We should know that it was not a good spirit since violence had a part in this.
Mental Illness is a misfiring of neurons in the brain. The brain is very complicate. Neurosis is people say that voices are demons and they drag the people with misfiring Neurons to sick church. Sick in head man not get better. He feel like God no lo
K&T, lying on my back paralyzed in a bus accident, I called out to God for help. A voice said "WE won't leave you," and I felt gentle feathery touches on my face and arms. I was wearing a jacket. Guardian angels or insanity?
MzJ I am not trying to offend you. But help to think the difference. Like we all live on planet earth God allows the benifit of the sun to touch us all.
The rain makes food grow for us all.
And the moon keep us all from wobbling in space. The point
What in the world are you rambling about? What difference? The angels stayed with me until I was rescued from an overturned bus in a rain soaked ditch. Is that not how God is supposed to work? If not, I don't think I like your God.
Good analogy...But God could tell you to do something you think is bad right? like sacrifice your son!
No not me, Jacob
People, ya gotta read your Bible. God did tell Abraham to sacrifice Issac... but then told him NOT to because God was testing Abraham's loyalty. But I digress...
If that happens, I'd consult another party to place things in perspective.
Zeron, I do not "gotta" read such filth! The times I read the bible it served 2 sicken me & push me AWAY from any God. Much murder, rape, incest,genocide, slavery, blood, hatred, cruelty, bigotry, narcissism!! THIS from an all-loving Creator??!
God is all-knowing? Then he should have known Abraham's heart & loyalty w/o needing to test him. All-Powerful? He could have stopped all sin, destroyed Satan, forgiven men w/o sacrificing his human son, All-loving? He can protect us from pain.
You would "consult another party???" U would not believe UR Almighty God spoke to Clive? Y should Clive believe it's God? WHO has ever audibly heard God w/o being psychotic? No one or how do we know? We don't! Period. It's all blind faith.
Paula if that is your understanding and what you get when you read I will not doubt how you feel .but people read and do not get that understanding if that was the case hp forum would not exist.
People are individually different in what they hear.
People are individually illogical. If the HP forums do anything - they should encourage people to do thorough research. Christians are taught that lying is Ok. For instance, Its ok that Matt, Mark Luke & John did NOT actually write their gospels.
Why would an all-knowing God have to test anyone's loyalty? It's enough evidence to me that he may have been of a superior race, but not "God."
MzJ this is where the confusion comes in.
There is more then One god of the situation.
The heavenly Father is the one responsible for life.
The other is a self made god who is a fallen demonic angel. This one testes all humans. He is responsible
Paula: I think YOU need to consult another party for that wrath of yours. The Bible is not a book for the ignorant. It tells the story of Christians and Jews, their falls and their triumphs, without sugar-coating anything.
Zeron...UR opinion means nothing. I don't know U & U surely do not know me. Perhaps U should focus on playing UR games since this seems 2B all U may know. Do not address me. Thank you, young man.
And perhaps you should stick to your subjective universe of dogmatic opinions, instead of trying to angrily force them on others, since that seems all you know, older lady. You call someone's holy book FULL OF FILTH, don't expect them to like it :).
As I said, U know NOTHING about me. We'll leave it that way. I try 2 force nothing on anyone, ever. I call UR History book as I see it, like it or not,child.U entertain fantasy.So be it, B proud & B happy. I certainly am~~even of being "older."
Yes Zeron, your 'holy book' if full of lies for SMART people who choose to be sheep, trusting in a very manipulated text, following blindly. Lying is Ok. For instance, Its ok that Matt, Mark Luke & John did NOT actually write their gospel
Paula, you're right, I don't know you; I can just work with what you give me. I'm just going to end this by writing a Hub on the reality of God, or as us humans can perceive it anyway. Not enough space in these comments to express my opinions.
That is exactly how we hear God - from inside of us. He doesn't need to use a 'voice' to communicate with us. In fact, an audible voice obviously raises questions, ha! :)
"...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Matthew 25:40
I heard voices promising me many things. However, since I am from Jamaica, and I am boosting the Relay Olympics.
Could it have something to do with the PART of you which is doing the interpretation?
Tom, It could, a voice kept telling me to divorce my abusive husband. I knew it was right, but I wouldn't obey. I finally listened and obeyed when he kicked me out with the kids, then wanted us back 3 weeks. later.
MzJ to help you undestand better. Eve heard a voice in the garden that told her to eat a piece of fruit it would give her the knowledge of God her Father. Was that voice a good voice ? It told her to eat fruit ,nothing wrong with fruit
A trap.To die
KT I have all the understanding that I need. The psychic understand. The head blind do not. They quote somebody else's book.
MzJ now it is very clear why so much trouble with your voices. And why you do not like the bible.
You mention ( physic know ) they work with the realm of satan. You believe in them.
Well there it is ! They are afraid of the Heavenly Father.
What a typically rude judgment, K&T. Could you possibly be any more insulting? Just tell her she is EVIL and get it over with!! What is WRONG with you?!! Obviously, some part of you wanted you to be safe, MzB - and trying to be LOUD about it. :)
Mifit your opinion and your words are in your mind. My comment was to her not you.
When she is the one who admitted we had different Gods. What did she mean by that. Its rude to take over a comment your name is not on .MzJ direct not you.
I am sure MzB can defend herself - but sometimes, another voice is good up against judgemental believers full of religious dogma. I've 'believed' like you in the past and I know why you ignorantly said it. So yeah, I defend whether you like it or not
Misfit I am not up against MzJ
there is no argument here.
But why are you starting or creating one . what ever I comment about you take delight in criticizing it.
And creating havock
No one wants to argue so stop the madness.Iast post
Catherine, thank you for the defense. I have to just consider the source and go on. I never said I don't like the bible, nor that I have TROUBLE with voices, just her inability to reason. Her eyes are clouded in judgment, she can't see what I said.
Misfit I have heard comments towards victims of violence as well but it is not limeted to ones belief or faith it is the character or person from the heart.
Religion is not the fault of everthing.
Because free will of mouth anyone can use.
Insane people do have visions, dreams, and see things in broad day light too. So if i have a vision, it must be from God?
MzJ I have had death in my family but I do know the one responsible .Until this system comes to a complete end of satan who has ruled it as he pleases many injustices, crime, sickness , confusion of right and wrong will be the experience of many.
Yes, "you're now in contact with Something...far greater, more loving, more compassionate, more understanding than you know your own self-image ego self to be!"
"Be still" & listen & know that HE is GOD" (Ps 46:10)!
But doesn't psychopath get that same feeling?
It is my understanding that they do not Clive. They are incapable of love and compassionate feelings. But maybe a schizophrenic? A remember just being insane would not prevent the hearing of God.
But, Eric, being insane would definitely prevent one from knowing the difference.
Austin I think there are a lot of misconceptions about certain illnesses. Many hear voices (want them to stop) and know it is not real. But the voices are there nonetheless. Most never act on such voices. (not good for TV)
Good point example of a puzzle it comes with instructions .does the maker or inventor have to personally visit your house and verbally tell you how to put the puzzle togather.
There are many types even dimensional 3 D.Instructions included.
I'm sorry to hear of your cancer, Eric. I don't believe the same way you do, but I believe. I will put you in my prayers and send you healing energies if you will accept. Love.
Cool thank you. Thank goodness we all have our own beliefs. All show a special bond with something beyond themselves.
MzJ example we have people that hear voices that say kill people.
Do harm to themselfs, do terrorist acts
And they think the same as you.
No ! God does not work the way humans think and if people reject his word they will know him.
WRONG! People who hear voices and kill people DO NOT think the same as I do. You have convinced me that your god is not my god. Sorry.
good for you
Clive every strange unatral experience does not mean its good because it happen to you .people can be used as baite to tamper with bad doomed spirit forces.
Example what message of good is coming from it?
Is its Jesus work.Anything else is satans
MzBe very interesting experience. But I do not doubt what experiences people have. I have had my own. But I do not contribute everthing I may experience or can't explain to God and Angels.
But I do have faith that if he wants to help he will.
Maybe, but did God talk to Moses directly? Why not us, how do you differentiate?
Certain times God sent Angelic messengers.even Jesus is called the word. Our true mediator.
So far was it true that God told Adam not to eat from the tree. Not Eve directly.No sin existed at that time.
But interesting he talked to Adam direct.
So sorry, Helen, but I understand. My sister killed herself at age 30 because she was placed on antidepressants instead of being treated for thyroid disease (Hashimoto's). I know because the same thing nearly happened to me.
I am sorry to hear about the difficulties you have had in your life Helen. But believe me their are many many people that have had a difficult life. It is how you deal with it that counts. Read a good book when you feel sad. Change you mindset.
You're right. This is something that is wrong with most religions. For instance, people will say things to a sexual violence victim like, 'You must have had bad karma in another life' or 'it must be God's will' BULLSH*T!!!
That's Horrible MizBejabbers. My daughter has Hashimotos, but when she was unjustly taken by Texas CPS, (she also has aspergers) they took her off her thyroid meds. She's only 18 and she was diagnosed before 14 years old. CPS declared her healed liar
Now that's horrible, Helen. Taking anyone off their thyroid meds is begging for trouble. Need a good lawyer.
Anita, when someone has a chemical imbalance, a good book does not help. Can't keep one's mind on it when a person is ill.
God wants you to vote for Trump. God told me the Freemasons put Kenyan-born Obama, the man of lawlessness, into our White House illegally.
I believe you and I believe that your communication abilities as far as reception goes are in deep trouble. But I don't doubt that you believe.
Interesting answer. God did not say they would win. God told me there would be a black president of America. I am backing Trump because I want to see a Relay Olympics.
I am backing birther Trump because I want to see Hellary behind bars and usurper Bathhouse Barry in front of a firing squad.
MzJ the Heavenly Father loves us all .
Like a Father with many children he gives us all what we need. As a parent would you feed one child and not the other. give medicine to only one child when the other needs meds too.
No. We can mis understand.
I think that is THE way to go when determining if it is god or insanity! What is the voice telling you to do, eh? Oh, wait, no, you still probably couldn't tell the difference between an insane god and your own insanity. What was I thinking?
1 Billion people agree with me. So u know that if 1 billion people believe something, it's gotta be real! So to be on the safe side, I'm gonna give God the benefit of the doubt. We walk by faith...
Geittrite, I thought you were joking, but... That is exactly why the church burns people at stake, drowns them, etc. I hope you are writing satire. I can't tell.
It was a test. And God stopped Abraham in time. He did not slaughter his son
The very 'fact' that a god would ask such a thing of anyone shows how much 'god' valued children. They are barely mentioned in that thick book. Plus, wouldn't god KNOW the heart of Abraham? Some tests are indicators.
Misfit God value children when Allowed them to be born even when their parents had scared and damage their future of living forever.If he did care about their children we would not be having this conversation. And again satan is a god too by deceit.
We are all gods - no different than either 'god' or 'satan', just still in the process of developing and/or escaping from the matrix. Staying present in the moment eventually brings an 'awakening' bcuz you are staying 'connected' to your Source (God)
Yes, Miz Bejabbers, It is SATIRE! It's obvious just how insane these beliefs are, and the abject immorality of the brutal human sacrificing of ones own son, requested by an ALL KNOWING deity, to TEST the faith of his favorite person. Psychotic!
I'd guess you're a fairly new 'unbeliever', getitright. We get MAD about being manipulated and lied to. But, we're also like former alchoholics who RAGE against the harm of booze after they clean up. The baby does NOT go out with the bathwater. ;)
No I'm certainly not a new unbeliever! I started becoming somewhat of a free thinker in the 1970s. You called this one wrong. There are other reasons for my straightforwardness.
Catherine.. Oh dear girl...But the "baby" grows up quickly, gains intelligence & independent thinking as well as knowing full-well how to bathe himself..in fresh, clean new waters.
I stand corrected. :)
Jesus is God. Spirituallity is not religion. God let himself be a man and then killed so that we would stop thinking we need to go through all these preachers to reach the creator of the world, Great Spirit created it, and now protects it.Even storm
MzBe Example did Eve here a voice in the Garden. It was satan.
Did Jesus hear a voice in the wilderness .it was satan.
Many times he speaks but we think it is a mircle because it is not a common thing.
Real worshipers are approach by satan
K&T it isn't wise to judge who has spoken to someone else. Do you think that it was Satan telling me to leave my abusive husband before he killed one or all of us. I don't. I can also tell you of an encounter with guardian angels who spoke to me.
Mz J I am a person of truth and truth is disliked by many .sorry we do not agree. But you did escape your situation. What about people who do not everyday. Why would he just help you and not them. Sorry but God gave us all life.he love us all.
That isn't true, K&T. One doctor can examine a patient, diagnose & treat him - and he dies bc the doctor was wrong. Another doctor might have seen the 'real truth', diagnosed him differently - and the patient lives. Truth is not an opinion. I
KT, why would god help me and not others in a bad situation? He would, but they're so busy reading the bible and praying noisily for him to solve the problem that they don't hear him speak. I think that's one of the points of the question.
Check ur bible, I've met god face to face, I will call the place pineal.
Mic1983 which God there are thousands even satan is a god. And the truth is the living true God no man has seen or can see and can
No so it was something else you seen( imposter.) appeared to you.
Definitely be careful with that, Micksy. Many people have gotten caught up in metaphysical religions and rituals that go 'pineal' beyond the Christian concept. There are MANY 'beings' in the realm you have 'seen god in'. Deceptions are all around.
Not me jacob he said it
ISIS is America
Their god Allah/Satan is speaking to them as Moslems worship death. If they can't kill an infidel to kill they will kill another Moslem even if it is a family member.
MzJ Leviticus 19:31 say do not turn to the spirit mediums or fortune tellers.
They were enemies of the true God.
Now it makes all sense now.
We have a different God ,yours play games with you and do cruel things and make you hear voices .
Lolita we need to really be sure of what the bible really say . its a messages from our Heavenly Father.a good thought to remember is satan knows and quoted scritures as well he did to Jesus as he repeated scriptures Palms 91:11,12 in temptation.
To finish the Koran wss created from the words repeated
From Muhammad with other parts added ftom his co temporaries.
U sounded sane right up until u started talking about unknown deities speaking to people. There is no evidence of any God or gods, but somehow u seem to think that hearing voices from things that do not exist is not the same as insanity.
What is considered a God. People keep on saying no evidence of God, A god is a creator of life. Evert hing we see around is created. There is no bang and things just happen. One day i would like to see an explosion that brings a nice designed car at
MzJ the point is that he is perfect we all receive his blessings.when he does something for us he does it for us all
Not picking and choosing .but we can be misinformed because of an experience is not common we say God did it. not so.
Very true remember Eve never saw the face of satan only a voice pitched from a serpent.
Same tatic ,same place, new face.
It also said that Muhammad also heard a spirit voice that told him what to repeat from a cave. He could not read.
MzJ please do not misunderstand me.
I am not trying to say there is something mentally wrong because you heard a voice .Many do but it does not mean God is behind it like with Eve.
Did you know Mohammad also heard a spirit voice from a cave.
People who have hallucinations may have many kinds of voices. I have my opposite twin, I can sit invisible in a room and listen to strangers talk, I hear people call for me or give me information. And I also have heard what I thought were bold burgul
I know what you are saying Helen. In the old days of landlines, my aunt claimed that she could hear people conspiring against her through the phone ... without lifting the receiver off the hook. She had dementia and went to a nursing home.
Cool roselinsojan. You say so much in so few words. God is in each of us.
The point MzJ satan plays voice games as spirits creatures. They really want you to think the experience is from God. Ask your self who set the stage of the evil event that you fleed from?
Roselinsojan, that's a great statement.
Now the true God who gives life would not have us hurt another human in our family. Sorry but voices that tell you to do evil is satan spirits or demons.
God the Father would not confuse us.