Christian Discussion
- SirDentposted 11 years ago
0(2Ti 3:7) Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Good afternoon SirDent, what is your take on 2 Corinthians 11:15 in context.I'm not Sir Dent, but I'm gonna jump in.
I think it's very close to telling a Christian by their fruit. There are going to be false prophets, those guided by things that are not of the path that Jesus has laid down. God will judge them on their heart, not their facade. They will be judged on their works, not their speech.I am looking for a more detailed description of the mechanics of it.
I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking how God will recognize false apostles?
No, how they actually become a fake follower of Christ and what will their activity and personality look like.
The biggest fault seems to be that they are braggarts and are disagreeing with Paul. I'm sorry but that's about the best enlightenment that is to be had from Paul on the subject. They are disagreeing with his preaching. There's no real clarification to be found on exactly why they were in league with Satan, just Paul's assurances that they were.
Which should lead us back to other places in the bible that address that. Most of which say that God will deal with them when they sit in judgement.If I may, it is difficult to look at a single verse and get the full context out of it. 2cor11:15 is actually part of a full block of scripture in which Paul defends his ministry. The answer to your question of how men became false actually starts in chapter 10 and carries through to the verse that you specified. I'm not currently in front of a computer or I would copy and paste it for you gladly. In chapter 11, Paul is addressing those who would be taken by the false apostles. I. Chapter 10, he addresses the mannerisms.
Phoenix5 I gave your question much thought. I do hope what I write helps you in understanding. In all of time there has been false profits, witness and ministers of the Gospel. There is nothing new under the sun.
The devil himself is an angel of darkness; transformed into an angel of light. He is the father of lies. He hates all men, peoples and God. Paul is telling the church there should be no doubt that Satan who transforms into an angel of light has his ministers that play the part of holiness. They appear as ministers of the Gospel. These men put on an air and even may mimic many wonderful men of God then adding their own words to the context to suit their own needs. They corrupt the gospel by blending it with something else and deceive many to the truth of Christ. This is the work of Satan.
They pretend to be great friends of holiness and good works. They profess with such intensity and oppose to the doctrines of grace. They serve their master the devil and indeed do blind men. They know the gospel of works may do much prejudice to the Gospel of the Lord and the churches of Christ. These men of zealous and good works are ministers of Satan. Doing his work and serving him while propagating his kingdom of darkness.
They never convert one or save a soul. God will make these men public examples. Their hypocrisy will be laid out in the open. They deceive themselves and others. God will not be mocked. The evil works they do will be judged.. They will be condemned for them to everlasting punishment.
May the love of Christ abound on you in the new year PhoenixV. His grace is sufficient and His mercies are new every morning!! Praise the Lord. All Glory to God the Father. Shalom. In Love, SkyeThank you skye2day and SirDent for your thoughtful replies
PhoenixV You are so welcome. I am honored to serve El Shadai (Almighty God) You have a Blessed Day. Love, Skye
You're welcome Brother. Glad Skye came along, she explained it so much better than I did.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Had to think on this before I responded. Not gonna post all the verses but mention them as I write this.
Back in the Garden of Eden, the serpent was declared to be subtle. In Ezekiel it is written that the devil is wiser than Daniel and that he was in the Garden of Eden. Isaiah wrote about Lucifer being in heaven and suggests that he was the praise leader. Iniquity was found in him and he was cast out, along with those angels who followed him.
There is no man alive who knows scripture better than Satan. Deception does not come by someone saying, "God is not real or God is dead." Neither does it come by saying, "Jesus never was resurrected." Deception comes by telling "almost" the whole truth. Jesus stated that the devil is a liar and is the father of lies, after all, he convinced 1/3 of the angels of heaven to follow him.
Satan has his own ministering spirits who will deceive people. He has put men into the church to preach false gospels, that seem right to man but the end is death. Some of these people desire fame, fortune, popularity, notoriety.
Some are just deceived in a more general sense, ie: all will be saved even if they don't want to be. Ie: it doesn't matter if you sin, confession is not needed, repentance is not needed. There are other examples but I think you get what I am saying.
There was a man who owed his boss ten thousand talents. His boss required payment from him and the servant asked for more time to pay. The boss had compassion upon him and forgave him the debt. The same servant went to a fellow servant and demanded payment of one hundred pence and when the man couldn't pay and asked for more time, he was thrown in prison until he could pay him back. When the man's boss found out what happened he called his servant back to him and said, "O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."
I added that to say this, holding grudges is not good and it is not right. It doesn't matter what someone has done to you, you must forgive them. Some people are deceived because they want to hold to grudges from their past.
The devil says, "You do not have to forgive, you can go on sinning, you will be forgiven anyway, you don't have to live holy." Remember, the devil is subtle and very wise. Some of the greatest men in the Old Testament were deceived at times. Moses killed a man, David committed adultery, with his friend's wife then had the man (Uriah) killed. It is easy to get distracted from what is real and what is evil and wicked ( I say this from personal experience.)
1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
I heard someone talking about lions once and how they hunted. The person said that lionesses will go to a watering hole and start roaring. The animals who are watering will take off in the opposite direction thinking they are going to safety. The lions lies quietly waiting for them to come then he can jump out and devour as many as he can. This is how the devil works also. It is by deception that the animals ran straight to the lion's mouth.When you say satan has put men in the church. What happened to the host?
I am not sure I understand what you are asking. I will say this; unless God puts a man in charge as Pastor of a church, the wrong man will be the pastor. People like their ears tickled. They like to be told they are OK no matter what. There is a church out there for anyone who wants to live with any type of sin imaginable.
The following scriptures may answer your question. If not, please clarify for me.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?If these pastors are in actuality disguised or (transformed as the ministers of righteousness). What happens/happened to the human host.
Thinking of the man who lived among the tombs, full of unclean spirits and possessed completely, one can conclude that the spirits were in control. He was naked, cut himself on stones, lived among the dead, could not be chained (he broke them), and it was declared that no man could tame him, This was a man whop had not met Jesus yet. The unclean spirits recognized Jesus and ran and fell at His feet when He came. This man ended up gaining salvation through Jesus Christ.
Then you have King Saul who was anointed to be King over Israel. He did great until he overstepped his bounds. He did something only a priest was allowed to do. A foul spirit came upon him after David killed Goliath, the anointing of God left him. According to the Word of God, he would have ended up in hell.
Reading the warnings to the seven churches in revelation will give more insight. Some held to the teachings of Balaam, some to Jezebel, some lost their first love, etc. . . Two times Nicolaitans are mentioned in Revelation. According to Thayer greek definitions, G3531
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1) a sect mentioned in Rev_2:6,Rev_2:15, who were charged with holding the error of Balaam, casting a stumbling block before the church of God by upholding the liberty of eating things sacrificed to idols as well as committing fornication
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Anyone who goes against the children of God, go against God Himself and cannot win. Anyone who posts on these forums will take care of their children at all costs if they are worth anything at all.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Have to add this to my original reply to Phoenix.
Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
1Th_5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
Too many times we see someone do or say something out or vengeance. The Bible is clear that we must do good for all men, even if they don't like it. Many will say you threaten me with hell when we warn them not to go there. By the same token, thanks for warning me that I was about to get run over by that truck, would be used if the situation actually happened.
God loves us more than we will ever know but that doesn't mean He condones what we do. Find the true will of God and conform to it. Though it is the hardest thing I have ever done, it is possible to do so. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Joshua 8
24 When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the wilderness where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. 25 Twelve thousand men and women fell that day ā all the people of Ai. 26 For Joshua did not draw back the hand that held out his javelin until he had destroyed all who lived in Ai. 27 But Israel did carry off for themselves the livestock and plunder of this city, as the Lord had instructed Joshua.
28 So Joshua burned Ai and made it a permanent heap of ruins, a desolate place to this day. 29 He impaled the body of the king of Ai on a pole and left it there until evening. At sunset, Joshua ordered them to take the body from the pole and throw it down at the entrance of the city gate. And they raised a large pile of rocks over it, which remains to this day.- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Gen 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
The Lord shut the door Himself. Once the door is shut nobody else can enter the ark. Every man woman and child has had the chance to enter in but those that refused to enter are now going to be destroyed. God will always call out to those who are outside of the ark until the day he shuts the door.I often wonder why the most ardent believers continuously preach doom and gloom, on the wrath of a jealous God and what He's going to do to those who don't tow the line?
One would expect the most ardent believers to behave just like Jesus, rather than almost completely opposite and acting like the Abrahamic God of the Old Testament.Because without the fear factor no one will pay much attention?
Sadly, there is a lot of truth in that. Part of the problem, IMO, is that evangelists give converts unreasonable expectations coming into Christianity. All your sins will be forgiven, your place in Heaven will be assured, and God will bless you abundantly-you'll never want for anything.
Shortly after the euphoria of an initial conversion wears off, and people realize that being a Christian doesn't mean you get a gilded path in life, they have to do something to keep you-and if they're not competent enough to truly teach you what it means to follow Jesus, they scare you with the consequences of what will happen if you don't. And then, they and you start to behave like everyone else, but you can take comfort that you've been "saved" and aren't headed to hell like the rest of the heathens-even though nothing else has changed, you're assured a place in Heaven, so you're okay.That's about the way I see it, all right. Rather sad, but sometimes life is sad.
The saddest part, IMO, is that the powers that be keep selling it because people keep buying it. Sigh.
The TRULY sad thing is that people who buy into it out of fear are... well, cowards. I mean if you are trying to scare people into following you that's what you are going to get, the people that are scared.
It makes for a rather unlikable congregation. I mean who wants to be surrounded by cowards and followers?
Those who join the faith because they want to make a positive change to both themselves and the world are generally neither cowards nor followers. Such a congregation would disgust them and likely drive them away from the faith all together. Leaving a religion full of... well you get it.Melissa Those who join the faith are searching for truth. There is a void in all of us and only Jesus fills the hole. Religion does not fill the hole. It freaks people out. Jesus hates religion. Religion has all these things we need to do to be right with God. No one earns their way to salvation. None. Truly we are victorious only in Jesus Christ. He conquered the grave. No one, not one is perfect. None. Many do not come to Jesus because they are afraid of the law. The law was written to point us to Jesus. To point us to why we need a Savior. No one can keep the Law of moses. ONLY believing in JESUS CHRIST gets us to heaven. It is by His Grace we are saved and transformed into His likeness. It is by His Mercy we were saved from the muddy mire and pit we were digging. It is by the son of God Jesus Chris.t we are forgiven. He took our place at the cross and died for our sins. His blood shed for us saves us. Religion freaks people out. They think they need to do all this stuff to be right and make heaven. No wonder they are freaked out and run from the church and hate so called "Christians' If one goes to a church of ' religionosity' earning our way, perhaps think of backing out, quickly No one should be freaked out in the true church of Jesus Christ. Freak out if you are not saved by Jesus Christ. No one else can save you. If the Grace found in Jesus Christ is not preached; myself I would try and fly out of there. Go to a Bible Based Christian Church that opens the word of God and teaches it without twisting His Word or adding to it.
In Love and Peace. In Christ SkyeThank you skye. I actually appreciate what you are doing and I thank you. I'm really very happy at my church. What turned me away from other churches, and the faith, was the fire and brimstone scare tactics. They have nothing, in my opinion, to do with peace, love, and changing the world for the better. I believe that one should follow Christ because of the good that happens when they love, forgive and help people. Not because of the bad that happens if they don't believe the way other's think they should.
Heaven and hell are not concerns for me. They never have been. I've never been one to be frightened into doing anything. I think it's cruel and abusive. Honestly, I would rather burn eternally than submit to a God that says "Do it my way or suffer". That's not at all fitting with the Christ that I follow.
I see a lot of fire and brimstone being preached as a way to bring people towards Christ. Yet the same people preaching it never mention love, acceptance, or helping those less fortunate. It shows me that they, and their faith, are more concerned about saving their own butt than with truly understanding Christ. I find that repugnant, cowardly, and self-centered and want no part of it being used to describe my faith.Thank You as well Melissa. Love never fails. I think it is imperative that the truth be told. Fire and brimstone, no. But in Love and truth yes. If we love our neighbor as our self we till tell them about eternal life. Many church's avoid that truth so not to offend anyone or loose anyone. That is not truth. Jesus is the Savior of the world. He is the way to eternal life. there is not other way. If we do not share truth we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. May Gods Blessing abound on you today and
always. Shalom. Skye
Noah preached for over 100 years telling everyone that the flood was coming and they did not believe him. Just as many do not believe today. And those who call themselves believers and do not warn of the doom that is coming, will have to answer to God for it.
There is still time right now, but who knows what tomorrow holds?Perhaps, those who preach doom and gloom, the wrath of God, death and destruction, are not Christians at all, they are Old Testmentors, if such a term can be coined.
What do they call those who are not Christ like but are instead focused on the OT?Is this the same Jesus you speak of?
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Ever notice the warnings in these verses?Is that what you think it takes to be Christ like? Focus on the negative rather than the positive?
The negative is all you see? Have you read my posts? My hubs?
Certainly, the vast majority of your posts here are negative aspects of your faith, threats from the bible, doom and gloom, wrath of God, etc.
The thing is that if one were to actually be Christ like, they would never focus on that stuff, they would only focus, live and breathe the positive. That's what it takes to market a religion.
I had a JW visit me one time, who started going on about Christianity being a lie. I listened and once he was finished, I told him the same thing, that if he really wanted to market his religion, he should focus on the positive aspects rather than beating up another religion.
It was like a political campaign where one candidate was showing how bad the other candidate was rather than trying to tell everyone what positive things they would do if elected.
Nobody else had any opportunity to enter the ark; there wouldn't have been any room silly.
Did the Lord provide a shuttle bus for people to get to the ark?
The aborigines of Australia and native tribes of the Americas really needed a shuttle plane, not bus. Or maybe a hovercraft; something that goes on both land and water for thousands and thousands of miles.
Pretty good sized, too, as it needed to carry the bison, elk, kangaroo and wallaby as it came, along with several thousand other critters.Has anyone seen the latest movie with Crowe: "Noah"? I wonder how they depict all that stuff?
I bet it's utter crap and will suffer the wrath of the fundies if it is not literal to the bible.
Sometimes it feels like the only good movies based on the Bible are The Prince of Egypt, The Ten Commandments, and King of Kings.
Aside from those, Christians are really terrible at movie-making--almost as bad as they are at writing music.I thought the Prince of Egypt was good, but thought Charlton Heston had a habit of over cooking his role rather in his films. I never understood why Hollywood insisted on scenes where the apostles stared open mouthed at Jesus all mysty eyed with wonder, with angels singing on the soundtrack, just because Jesus asked Peter to buy a loaf of bread.
I'm also suprised no film maker has made a serious crack at Revelation. That should be good for some CGI 10 headed monstering.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
A man was diagnosed with cancer, caught in the early stages. Doctor said if he had surgery, all the cancer would be removed and he would live a normal life.
The man decided to wait. After three years of waiting, he decides to have the surgery. Doctor said it is too late, there is nothing he can do for him. He told him to get his house in order. The man had no hope.
If the man had gotten help in time, he had hope of recovering. Like many who post in these forums, right now there is hope. It is not a threat but a warning of what is coming. Take it how you will.why on earth would you think that you need a god to have hope? I have plenty of hope. I don't need a Bible or a God or an anything else to feel hope.
God has given us free will to choose and if cardinality suits you fine than that is your choice but what about hope for eternal life? Do you know where you go when you pass from planet earth? Do you think we just go poof jm and that is it? Where does your hope come from? The paycheck, the job, the 401K? The government? Technlogy, entertainment? Your children? No harm just curious. Skye
my hope comes from my enjoyment of life. It has nothing to do with money, my job or any forlorn hope for eternity. I don't care about eternity. I was fine before I was born, and I will be fine afterwards. I adore my family, my spouse, my friends and the good that I can do for the world as one small person, making a bit of difference. I don't need any more hope than that.
Sir Dent Hello Dear Bro. Thank you for posting. Yes the day of salvation is today we know not what tomorrow may bring. Amen. I do pray many come to Jesus in 2014. It is sure to be a year of inevitable change and uncertainty in the world. The only certainly is our Lord and Savor He has foretold all things. No stone is left unturned. Our God is the same yesterday today tomorrow. He will not disappoint us. Many Blessings to you precious bro. Skye.
Do you know where my dear and precious sister Brenda went too? Thank you.Brenda was banned from the forums here. She decided to remove her hubs and have her account deleted. I talked with her a few days ago on facebook.
Thank you so much bro. I do miss that little fighter. She so loves the Lord God. Amen. I will check with her on fb. I spilled coffee on my computer a couple days ago and fried it. God has the perfect one out there for me. The enemy will not stop me, Praise God. The gates of hell cannot prevail over the love of Jesus. God Bless you Sir Dent. Keep em coming. Hugs, Skye
You sound like me. I spilled coffee on my computer about 6 months ago. It was never the same afterward though I tried to get it going again,
Sir dent I tried to get mine going. Finally after a couple of hours I heard let it go. Trust me.
God is faithful I was led to a kind gentleman who nearly gave me a refurbished laptop, almost identical to mine. Door opened it was so easy and the price way beyond what I expected to pay. Literally a give me. God is so good. It looks and works like new. I am so Blessed indeed. All Glory to God. Hugs galore, SIr Dent. Your sister, Skye.No need to give the gentlemen who practically gave you the computer credit. No need to give yourself credit for finding the gentlemen. Did you give God credit for spilling coffee on your computer?
So is it running Windows XP? Will she still be thanking God after April when support ceases and she gets infected with malware? Perhaps this kindly gentleman just wanted to get shot of a liability.
I have my old computer. He never asked for it. I did the foot work and searched for a computer. God did not bring it to my door. I had to act in faith.
Faith without works is dead. I thanked the gentleman in all sincerity. He said, funny thing he had got at least 10 emails and just answered the one with phone number. So God worked though him to get me this computer. I am grateful. As far as malware dysfunction I hope that does not happen but God is faithful and will provide if it does. God Bless you Skye.It's just too bad God didn't prevent you from spilling coffee on your old computer.
Well, I will be more careful with liquid around my computer! That is the plan. God turns all things for the good for those that love Him. I got a better computer and dirt cheap. That is how the Heavenly Father works. He is faithful and comes shining through. The devil would like me to believe God did let me spill coffee. Well God allows things to happen sometimes. We grow up when we make mistakes. He does not beat us the devil does that. We beat ourselves up more than anyone. Gods grace stops awful things from happening that we really do not deserve. None of us are good and deserving. We all mess up big time. With God though He is not counting points. We just grow in Jesus and love Him more and desire to serve Him. It is an eternal joy to behold. Love, Skye. I am very blessed and I do not deserve it. God loves us all that much. His grace is amazing His mercies new each day. Love, Skye
Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers
It mean to do the opposite of what Jesus was said to have done.
There are evil-doers the world is full of them; they walk on every side. They are here described by three characters, ungodly, sinners, and scornful. Departing from evil is the beginning of wisdom and those that choose to walk with Christ will be Blessed indeed. It does not mean we hate the ungodly but we do not hang with them.
A scenario would be like a kid hanging with the bullies at school knowing it is not right but he does so anyway. He sees the wicked or evil ones in action and follows along with them. Walking away is a much wiser decision. He will be blessed in doing so. Not only in his spirit will he find peace in doing so but he will avoid consequences down the road. He is willing to walk from the evil no matter the cost. In fact he may decide to take another course and try to help the victims of such abuse by reporting to the proper authorities. God blesses those that fear Him (honor and respect) Hope that helps you. Many Blessings Skye
So you had to pay money to replace a perfectly good computer and you attribute that to God. You don't take the blame for poring coffee on your computer nor the pat on the back for getting yourself an new one at a reasonable price. Self esteem issues?
No rad man I do not have self esteem issues, most days. I know whose I am. Some days I may feel a bit low because life is not always easy. I put my assurance back into Jesus when that happens. I trust God for my needs. My computer was fried and I did it,. I spilled coffee. I am sure the enemy thought well enough she can not write about God. Well he has been defeated already by Jesus at the Cross. God had different plans for me. In my writing I share the good news of the Gospel. This is a better computer. This is how God works. He does not give His children junk. Sure I had to take action and look. What I am saying is God is faithful and true and He provides my needs according to His riches and Glory. Phil. 4:17. God put everything into perfect place for me to purchase computer. He is for me. That is how good GOD is. It is not that difficult to understand. God is not evil.
My Best wishes to you and yours rad man. SkyeI wish you the best as well skye. I don't think God is evil, because I don't think there is a God. It seems you think that you need God to lift you up when you are feeling down rather than take the credit yourself. I suspect you can do it yourself, you just need to start to take credit for the good you do. It was you who got you that new computer. You did that yourself. When you start to admit that you can accomplish good stuff on your own you'll start to feel better about yourself.
rad man. For I know the Plans I have for you declares the Lord to prosper you and not to harm you to give you a hope and a future. Jeremiah 29:11
I guess there are some things that completely contradict this statement. Could you explain how that plan is working for the people who are starving to death?
It's called LIFE. Some of the greatest qualities, attributes or virtues of mankind are only possible through adversity. Compassion, charity, courage and perseverance are only possible through adversity such as misfortune, suffering, fear and obstacles, respectively.
Its called LIFE. Indestructible robots that never have love or problems is not LIFE.
Using photographs of starving children, because people lack the intelligence or decency to debate honestly or effectively is pretty low.That is, simply, evading the question. Try again.
If that were the case, I would agree with you. But, alas, that is not the case. Your side knows nothing about the art of argument, and only brings a belief in primitive superstition and anger to the table, yet you question the intellect of the opposition. LOL!!!!! The message is true, regardless of how much you insult the messenger...with this insidious slanderous misinformation. Wow!
On the other hand, selfish Christians, who claim that God helps them find items, and jobs, and provides them with what they need, while allowing pitiful innocent children to starve to death...well...that is about as low as can get. SMHWhat is the matter, you can't even form a rebuttal? So you do not want LIFE, you want a free ride. A fuzzy wuzzy rigged reality. Toy robot world for those that can't hack it. You cannot even imagine a better world, much more create a world with actual LIFE. Talk is cheap. All you got is an inflammatory photo of a starving child you use as a human body shield because you cannot debate? I do not believe you even care about a starving child, it's just that you cannot debate, so you lazily throw a picture out there of a human being that probably would not give you permission to use them so disingenuously. Christians have been creating and funding the largest charities there are for hundreds of years, where were you?
It seems that you are a wizard at PROJECTION. You have done everything except rebuttal the real argument confronting you. Fuzzy wuzzy reality? I would define that as adults believing in childish, primitive, superstitious nonsense about some imaginary Super Skydaddy. That shows an inability to hack reality right there.
Straw man fallacy. This is an outright lie, based completely on assumption, and an attempt to slander the character of those who hold your feet to the fire. What a deceptive, evil, bullying tactic. I'm sure your God is proud of you.
More dishonest vitriol. Since you have not deconstructed not even one of my assertions, it appears that you are the one who cannot debate. You have chosen, instead, to incessantly attack me. Wow! Stellar debating skills.
More absurd assumptions, accusations and personal attacks. What excellent debating skills.
Could you stop with the straw man arguments please? This is not about attacking me. This is about explaining the ridiculous claims made by believers, when they are put to logic. You have yet to do that, and instead, keep attacking me. I don't mind a heated debate, but please....stop the bullying!
Here is your premise again:
getitrite wrote:
Could you explain how that plan is working for the people who are starving to death?
PhoenixV wrote:
It's called LIFE. Some of the greatest qualities, attributes or virtues of mankind are only possible through adversity. Compassion, charity, courage and perseverance are only possible through adversity such as misfortune, suffering, fear and obstacles, respectively.
Its called LIFE. Indestructible robots that never have love or problems is not LIFE.
What is the matter, you can't even form a rebuttal? So you do not want LIFE, you want a free ride. A fuzzy wuzzy rigged reality. Toy robot world for those that can't hack it.
How is your plan better? Oh that's right, you cannot create life.
What do you offer instead? A photo of a starving child, YOU USE.
You cannot even imagine a better world, much more create a world with actual LIFE. Talk is cheap.
What is the matter, you can't even form a rebuttal?Ugh... And people on here think I'm callous. 9.9
How could the world have been better?
Instead of having 7 billion, how bout keeping it at roughly at between 10,000 and 15,000.
Instead of separating the continents, how about keeping it as one, and all the people are divided into tribes, living in harmony and off of the land. With the animals. (Of course doing only whats necessary for survival) Cooperation and kindness, bartering between the tribes. Playing games and having healthy competition, where it's like "Whose line is it anyway" where the points don't matter, but they have fun and bond together.
How about not having a Hell.
How about people who do wrong against their fellow man are properly discouraged from such behavior (proper discipline catering to the individual will breed good results quite consistently), but aren't eternally damned for behavior in a finite existence.
I could go on, believe me.You of course want to count yourself in amongst the 10k people? Which of the 7 billion would want to give their life away, so we could get down to your acceptable numbers? Living in harmony and off the land with the animals? Thats a fantasy Disney World, how are you going to force them to do that?
No, I'm not saying kill everyone and lets get the numbers down. That's ridiculous. I'm talking about only having had 10 to 15,000 from the get go... Like, there would've never been 7 billion in the first place... And no, it's not the least bit likely I'd be included in that number... as I only exist because of how history went... You asked for a different scenario. I gave it to you. Call it Disneyland, still a better scenario.
Disneyland's frikkin awesome by the way...
Right now, I am picturing someone hiding behind something, with a bucket of dirt clods (cause I am feeling generous and not saying a bucket of something else), and throwing said dirt clods in the general direction of people. When the people stop and point it out, the person falls down and has a fit saying, "look what they did to me!" Crying and wailing and making a general, embarrassing stink.
People can say all kinds of junk, as we see. They say others don't have an argument when they do, then lump a whole group together as not ever having a good argument or intellect, than saying their own side it so smart, etc.
All of which wouldn't need to be said at all, if each of us would just bring an actual argument in the first place. That would so easily suffice, and get us the "wins" some of us seem to so desperately want. Mischaracterizing people's worldviews, then going after them personally when they make good rebuttals, doesn't help any of us to win arguments. Arguments are won by making points that have merit in an of themselves. Points that can be backed with reason, logic and facts. This is my advice, not that anyone was asking for it, but it seems to be needed sometimes, as people seem to be wanting to debate.
Agreed. Hopefully it encourages to go for better, the next time. Now that people see through this stuff.
rad man God weeps at the starving and helpless. The roots of sin and wickedness are deep rooted rad man. God did not create the universe for starvation. Man has made decisions even in these starving places on planet earth for their own means. God will allow man to fall from Him. He will bring home the children and one day there will no more pain and suffering. The wicked will be revealed. You and I both know that the leaders in many of these countries do not care for their own. Many millions of followers of Jesus have gone to help in these countries. God is not evil. But you do not know God so you will blame Him. The devil deceives man so that man blames God and in doing so deceives himself of the truth. Exactly what the devil wants. It is deep rooted sin since the fall of Adam rad man. One day Jesus will return and there will be no more tears, sin or hunger. But if you do not know Jesus or deny there is a God how could you understand that evil and wickedness of man is our devise. Satan comes only to steal kill and destroy John 10:10 Have a blessed day. Skye
But He, quickly, rolls up his sleeves, and finds YOU a computer? No weeping in YOUR case....just ACTION!!!
But this same God can overpower the will of man for YOU....right? It seems that no man was able to stop this same God from securing you a computer. Seriously....how is that?
So are you saying that if you lived in some places in Africa, you would not have been able to get a computer, no matter how much you prayed? Then of what use is God, if He only provides for people living in economically sound societies, where He doesn't have to confront ruthless dictators and soldiers? Something is just not right.
No one is saying God is EVIL....but rather.....YOUR CONCEPT OF A GOD IS ABSURD.
And neither do you know any Gods. Of course through the power of delusion, we can believe that we know just about anything.
This paragraph is void of any meaning in the REAL world, and I had to discard it as regurgitated, indoctrinated gibberish.It is impossible to see or understand without the Sprit of God born in you. When we are born again and ask Jesus into our hearts as our Lord and Savior and repent of sin, then we will see with another set of eyes. We will know the truth and the truth will set us free. Jesus is the way, truth and life. John 14:6 There is no rebuttle on my part. Amen. There is no other way to eternal life and peace in the fallen world. One day every knee will bow and mouth confess Jesus is Lord. It will be too late for those that deny Jesus Christ and shun Almighty God, the giver of life. I too was once lost, now saved. It is nothing I did or earned. It is everything Jesus did for the world on the cross at Calvary. I pray one day you will see. In all truth and sincerity and I can only pray you come to know Jesus. He loves you. He loves all people. But deny Him and He too will deny you. He twists no arms to get one to beleive in Him. He has given us plenty of evidence, He is God. The devil Satan is the father of lies and comes ONLY to stea,l kill, destroy. John 10:10 Look up the verse. Read the context before and after the verse. Read John 3:16-18. Skye
Wow, that is some imagination you've got there. Do you have any evidence it's not just your imagination?
She showed you evidence. You don't believer her. Move along now.
Evidence is, by definition, something that can be objectively agreed upon (that is exists, at least).
Evidence is testable. If it's not testable, it's not evidence.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Faith is testable. You see a chair that looks flimsy so you try it out tentatively at first. You find that it holds you so you have faith tomorrow that the same chair will hold you again.
She received by faith in God. She explained it. Believe her or don't believe her, it's your choice.Faith is evidence of things not seen? A person's imagination that something is, their desire that it be so, is actually evidence it is? Must be an awful lot of FSM's around then.
If faith is testable, please explain the test for God's existence. One I can use, not being able to see and measure your faith. Or even know what it is, for that matter.Try Him for real. If you try Him with an honest heart, He will reveal Himself to you.
When you breathe, you cannot actually see the air, but you know it is there because you breathed it before. That is evidence of things not seen.A common response I've heard before, but not worth much. After all, when He doesn't respond the immediate response is that there is no honest heart; a response made without knowing if it is true or not. While I understand you believe God will accept anyone, there is exactly zero evidence that is true, just the belief of some of the people.
Again, you reference something that CAN be checked; blow into a balloon and you can see evidence of the air you exhale. I'm asking how I can test the faith based claim of God's existence - something undetectable. It is not faith, after all, when something really IS testable and doubly so when it has already been tested thousands of times.Have you tried Him with an honest heart? I mean to really see if he is real or not. All I have seen is that you want to try Him just to prove that he is not real.
You believe faith to be blind but it is not. The evidence of things not SEEN.
As I said before, if you want absolute proof, try Him with an honest heart. You cannot go by my faith or Sky's faith. It has to be your own.You mean I have to first believe that God is real in order to find him? That doesn't sound backwards to you?
Not once, not even a single time, have you seen me try to prove He doesn't exist. You know better and should be ashamed to even think such nonsense.
What you HAVE seen is a constant request for evidence of His existence. From which you seem to assume that I don't want it - given the many requests is there is a reason for that assumption?
But I have no faith. Others have claimed that God gives faith to every person, but that is a lie. I know because I am living proof of that and others have said the same thing. Open mind or closed, desire for God or not, hateful or loving, nothing matters because I do not have the faith to believe in something that, as near as I can determine, is not there. I am thus doomed to an eternity of fire.
I don't think I like your worldview, or your God. Neither is kind, neither is gentle, neither is loving. And while one is supposed to be hard, cold reality, the other is described as the most vile, evil intelligence possible. I choose to believe that IF there is a God that consciously and intentionally made us it is a kindly creature. It probably doesn't love the ants it made, but doesn't hate them either, and won't tolerate such torture as the believers assure us it will provide. I wouldn't call it faith as I have no idea if it's true (and can't find out) and it doesn't matter anyway, but I suppose it is a belief.I've done that, as a believer for almost 20 years, and a missionary and a missionary kid. I had an open heart. I had a willing heart. I wanted to believe, but I never received any evidence that it was real. So are you now going to tell me that I must have done something wrong?
Yes, you did not allow yourself to become deluded. You didn't allow your imagination to deceive you.
Proverbs 28:13-14
Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. Blessed is the one who fears the Lord always, but whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity.It must be very difficult to actually love the one you "fear always". I know I always wanted my kids to respect, but never fear, me. I thought then (when they were little), and I still think, that fear and love do not coexist well. It's like fear just automatically leads to a hard heart, not the other way around.
Fear and love are so similar that they can be mistaken for each other. Why else would teenagers go to scary movies with a date and fall in love.
Because it gives an instant reason to cuddle. Physical contact with the opposite (or sometimes, same) sex does really strange things to people. Things like love...
I watched a Ted Talk on oxytocin that spoke of this... really good.
I also heard a woman speak on Christian radio about it. She said she dated a boy for years that she was very close to. She loved him and they chose to abstain from sex. When they broke up she was sad, but she eventually got over it.
Then she dated a boy for only a few months and she did not abstain with him, and b/c oxytocin creates a connection or bond between ppl, she was heart broken over this and had a terrible time recovering. She didn't care about him half as much as the first boy, but the pain of separation was much more intense.Fear and love are so closely connected that when one sits through a scary movie or event with someone they fear that one feels transfers to love for the person you are with.
"fear" "calamity"? Sounds like a bully. Is your god a bully. Be afraid of me or bad stuff will happen?
Are you telling me that you, as a virtual stranger, know that I somehow concealed my transgressions as a youth and had a hardened heart? Is that how you explain away the fact that other believers are telling us that if we sought god with an open heart, we would find him? It's our fault, somehow?
Not only are we supposed to believe without evidence in order to be given evidence, but that if no evidence presents itself, it's our fault?I have no idea if your sin is concealed or not, my only point was, I think we turn our backs on God and as we do, our hearts begin to harden. If we don't turn back towards Him, He will allow our hearts to completely harden. I think as long as we are alive, there is hope as God loves us and desires a relationship with us, just as we are, right where we are.
Hardened harts, what a strange thing to say. Are you saying you love more than atheists and non christians and are unable to love and have a higher depth of emotions as any other group does? It doesn't seem like a loving or compassionate thing to say at all.
Because someone doesn't believe God exists they somehow are unable to love?Um, no, not saying that at all. lol
The Bible says men will harden their hearts toward God. According to these threads, that's a given. I might have ended up doing the same one day if I'd have stayed on the same road I was on. Although I feel very blessed to have still wanted to be right with God even if I wasn't. I had a lot of hope that He would rescue me from myself.I don't think you understand. A hardened heart implies love lost, but that's not at all what happens when one doesn't believe in God, it's just what you've told so that you will feel good about yourself. It's not that you love God less, it's that you don't think he is there. It's like asking you to love a pretend person that someone made up and then someone tells you that you have to love that person before you can see them. It's really very silly.
Well if you are going to define what I believe, I am not really needed here am I? lol
Never mind that, your presence here is not just to teach others, but to learn as well. So learn something about yourself. Look at what you're saying and ask yourself if it makes sense.
Are you asking what I think or telling? If you're telling, I will let you have at it, if you're asking, your sentences should have question marks, see?
I see you like to preach but don't like to be preached to. I must only ask you questions?
You are welcome to tell me anything you want. When it comes to my own thoughts, I would say that is a bit presumptuous of you, but I spose it wont hurt anything. I always get banned when we speak though, even when I am being friendly, so maybe the less the better.
Why is it okay for you to tell others what they should be thinking (loving God so he can be relieved to us), but not presumptuous of others to tell you what you should be thinking?
I'm new here, you must be mistaking me for someone else.
But not all of us need to be rescued. We are not all like you.
Agreed, we can see that the more one believes in God, the less compassion they have towards others. They seem to hate people a lot more and would much rather not have anything to do with this world. Hardened hearts is just the tip of iceberg.
http://youtu.be/zU9lv_WqK6k
There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Cant you see
This is a land of confusion.
This is the world we live in
And these are the hands were given
Use them and lets start trying
To make it a place worth living in.Mens hearts become hard the more they turn from God. They harden to His Word. They come to deplore Christianity and spit God out of their mouths. God will allow many to stay in their iniquities (sin) It is not that we hate the world we live in the world but we are not of this world. We are of God the Father, Born again of the Spirit of God we are hands and feet for Jesus. Many non believers think that we Christians hate any that do not believe. That is no so. In fact quite the contrary. We know how God has changed our life and saved us from our sin and given us the free gift of salvation. We have compassion for those that do not believe. We can relate. Do not forget we too had to open the door for Jesus, it is a choice we made. Because of the LOVE OF CHRIST we can share the gospel of Christ and salvation. It is nothing we have done but what Jesus has done for us. True Christians do not belittle man but love man and in all humility hope and pray that they too come to know Jesus who gives life and forgives our sin. He is the only way to eternal life. Why would we not share the truth? We are commissioned and empowered by Jesus to do so. He loves all man. He wants none to perish. True Christians have compassion for mankind just as Jesus does and did when he walked the earth over 2000 years ago. Many Blessings. You are loved by an awesome God. Don't turn your back on Him. He loves you. skye2day
I admire your patience. I love you in the Lord sis.
My bro I too love you in the Lord. I just keep coming into the forum as led. You know how that goes precious warrior. It is only because of Jesus I have any patience. He shapes and molds us. Amen? May God's favor continue to shine in you and be on all of your comings and goings my brother. Love Skye Keep Going!! Phil 4:13
No, it is when they turn away from mankind towards gods is when their hearts harden.
Your "truth" is not a truth, it is a fairy tale.
No, you're not.Why would you think we come tif not to share the good news? Do you think it is because we want you to suffer or struggle? Only when you have spiritual eyes born of the Spirit of God will you see. God does not want any to perish in sin but come to him in humility with a repentant heart. We do have a commission from God to share the truth in all of the world. I am not sure where your information comes from but I guarantee it is not out there. Gods written word is truth. How would you know if you have not opened the word? Have you opened the word of God. Just curious or do you deplore Christians so much you want to spew us from your mouth. We will be persecuted. God has prepared us. The fiery darts do not touch us. Not because we are good but because God is good. He so loves you. We are his hands and feet. Yes we serve God and tell others of his marvelous works and his free gift of salvation. May you be blessed and may the Spirit of God open your heart to His truth. In love Skye.
Because you want everyone to believe as you do.
I am not suffering or struggling other than with Christians who want to share their news.
That is gibberish, is has no meaning whatsoever. Explain "spiritual eyes" if you can. Our eyes are the only ones we have, and they are not spiritual.
No one cares about that, it is irrelevant.
No, you don't.
Yes it is out there, it is called "reality"
No, it is not truth.
We have all read the bible, we don't need you or anyone else to tell us what's in there, we already know.
I have nothing against people, I do not deplore Christians. You should try to understand that.
You are not persecuted, so there is no need to lie about that.
So what?
There are no fiery darts, you imagine them as you imagine God.
I don't care about your imaginary God, He is irrelevant.
No, you are not.
We don't want to hear that, we have read the bible so you are just being annoying by repeating it.Well all we can do is pray for you. I pray the Lord softens your heart to the truth. By the way spiritual eyes are a gift when born again. (saved, salvation) We now see with spiritual eyes and have been given understanding to the Word of God. It is like we are given another sense. It is because the Spirit of God abides in us and we in Him. 24/7 we have a helper, friend, teacher who guides us. We miss the message many times but He does not condemn us He picks us up and makes our path straight. God is so good and loves you so much. There is nothing you or I could do that makes Him love us more or less. It is just one day we will stand in judgement and if you deny Jesus than you too will be denied eternal life with God. Those that deny Him will be separated from him for eternity. Jesus loves you.
I know I used to not believe in hindsight I did not understand a loving God. I thought we had to earn our way. No one can earn their way we are all sinners. Born again(saved) we are forgiven our sin past present future. Best wishes for a wonderful and happy life and new year. SkyeBut, I don't want you to pray for me.
Your God only hardens people, keeping them ignorant and delusional.
That is entirely meaningless, you have only one set of eyes and they are not spiritual.
I don't care about your God or his alleged love, that is entirely meaningless in reality.
You might stand in judgment to Allah, or Thor, or Zeus or any number of thousands of gods. Irrelevant.
Sorry, but I am not sinner and don't need to earn anything from your God.No you do not need to earn anything from God. We can not earn anything from Him. He owns it all anyway. He can pull the rug at any given moment. We do not earn his love. If that were the case none of us would earn His love. It is a free gift. We choose to love Him or not. His love is a free gift. His grace and mercies new each day. If he were not merciful none would be here. If he had not grace we would be long gone. He would not protect us. He would have wiped us out ions ago. He loves you. One day Jesus will return. I do pray for you. Blessings Skye
Then what was the point of posting that verse alone, without any of the explanation in response to my post, if not directed at me?
I tried for a long time. I wanted nothing more than to have a relationship with god. It was after realizing that the only person I was having a relationship with was myself that I started to doubt.
Just a quick question for you. How did you start believing? What I mean is what pulled you toward Christianity?
Initially, I was raised in the church. Upon reaching adolescence, I began to study and read the bible for myself, and became a Christian on my own around 13 and was baptized the next year. I continued learning and decided I wanted to be a missionary and spent many years working towards that goal. It wasn't until the end of my tenure at a Christian college that I started to doubt.
I'm pretty sure that now you're going to say something about howi never chose Christianity for myself because I was raised in it. That's how a lot of these conversations Hogo. Apologies if I'm wrong, but that assumption would be incorrect.OK. Thanks for answering me. I will ask another question. Did you ever hear a voice calling you to repentance or drawing you to pray?
I don't know if i would describe it as a voice. More of a feeling. I immediately felt the desire to ask for repentance every time I did something that was wrong, and I felt drawn to pray often. But the "voice" I heard was internal, and looking back on it now, there was never indication that it came from outside of myself at all.
Thanks for answering me again. Right now I have too much on my mind to continue. I will leave you with this one verse. Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hopefully we can continue this when I am more able.
Except I can see air on an atomic level. Anyone can, actually. No special religion needed. Just the right physical tools. Air is comprised of nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide and other trace gases, as well as water vapor. All are elements that actually exist but are too small to see with the naked eye. But we can get our hands on the right equipment to test that. Don't take my word for it.
Testable for us collectively, not individually. Can I go back and see her chair and sit in it myself to test and see if it works? If not, why should I take her word for it? Especially if, from how she's describing the chair, it sounds quite unfit to be called a chair and I need mystical glasses to see it that I can only get after chanting a spell (prayer).
LOL, you lost me. I used the chair as an example. Not sure what you are trying to say other than you believe Sky is most likely a liar. Please correct me if I am wrong.
No, she told me what she thinks.
If I say I fly home on my dragon every night and he really loves me is that evidence of dragons?
You are very kind and compassionate to share the Christian worldview, one of the only worldviews that explains horrible suffering like this that we see in the world.
It is wonderful that many people try to help show how these awful evils are made to point people to clues about what is real and true. Not much explains it, nothing else that I know of remedies it, except for the worldview of Christianity, and that God that is being blamed. He can and has made many promises to those that would care to know about Him and about truth.
That verse isn't for all of us, by the way. It was meant for a very particular group of people at a particular point in time in history. Many people claim this verse personally in their own life, and it is a good verse. It is hard for some people to think about this, but God was communicating to a very particular group during a point in history.
What a horrible response however even if that verse were meant for all people for all time. The little starving child image we have all seen before, to try and make an emotional case against a God they don't believe in. This is a fail, sorry. Tactics.....
rad man it is because of what Christ has already done that I can do good and so desire to do so. It is because He loved me first that I too can love. He is the heart changer. He is my strength and courage. I rely and depend on Jesus for rmy all. He is the creator. He is the way, truth and life and no one will go to God the Father except through His son Jesus who died for the sins of the world so we could be made rightious before God. John 14:6
God has a way for every dilema I may face and for each storm that I will go through. It is written in HIS Holy Word. Amen. Many Blessings. Skye
So now you need to sell that computer, and all of your other clutter, and give it to the poor.
Amen
(Luke 12:33)
33: Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.The computer will likely be trashed. I sure dont want anyone to get taken to the cleaners if someone tries to fix it. The ole gal is laid to rest. Yes I agree help those that struggle. AMEN and AMEN. We take nothing with us when we part this planet. Our treasures are stored in heaven. Praise to God!!!
Wow, so God is now a used computer salesman.
I took mine apart and tried to clean it up. Even got it going for a bit then the keyboard messed up so I bought a new keyboard and it worked for a while. Eventually, it died and will not power up now.
So satan caused you to spill coffee on your keyboard? He gets about a bit doesnt he.
no disappearinghead Satan did not cause me to drop my coffee. I knew I should have moved it. My point being Satan does not want believers to share about salvation and the Love of Jesus Christ. He wants all to go to hell with him. Praise God I did get a compute today. Absolutely 100 Percent God led me to the person I bought it from. He almost gave me the computer. This is truly a God thing. I prayed about a computer and getting one fast and God is good He led me to one in a couple of days. Satan wants to deceive any and all he can. He is the father of lies. The gates of hell shall not prevail from me sharing salvation with others. I know disappearing head. I was not always saved. I made the choice to follow Jesus when I was on the bottom floor, troubled and lost. The best thing I ever have done in my lifetime is ask Jesus as my Lord and repent of sin. I know where I go when I pass from planet earth and our spirits do go to one place or the other. Many Blessings to you in this coming year. Jesus so loves you and wants none to perish. He stands at the door and knocks. I pray you open it for Him to come into your heart. Skye
What else can you pray for and get? Do you have such low self esteem that you think you are incapable of getting yourself a computer? I personally have never paid for a computer, but currently have 5 in the house.
Do you also think God has nothing better to do than supply you with a computer while millions of children are starving?My Gathod is soverign. He is in all things. Salvation is a relationsip with Jesus. Oh sure I could have found one on my own methods but GODS ways far exceed my ideas or plans. After all He is creator of the universe. I am a child of the KING OF KINGS. All those saved are HIS children. Would not a loving Father give their beloved daughter what she longed for knowing her budget and leading her to what she needs and in perfect timing. All doors open, no hassles? Knowing Jesus has rewards. His favor abounds. He is a good God and so loves you rad man. He waits at the door and knocks!!! Do not be too late brother. Many Blessings this coming year. Hey maybe you could go pass out a computer to a hurting soul you have plenty? JK, not. You need 5 computers? I don't know what I personally would do with 5. I think I would give them away. No doubt I have been so blessed I would pass it on. In Joy the day. In Christ, Skye
oops need to set up spell check that is suppose to be My God
Both my wife and myself are self employed and require our own computers. I have three students who each require their own computer for assignments.
Would not a loving Father give their beloved children what they longed for knowing their hunger and leading them to what they need and in perfect timing?Rad Man Well awesome for you and your students. I believe this to mean your children? But of course would not a father provide the best for his children, if at all possible. The Father in heaven is like that with His kids. He provides in His perfect timing. You are very fortunate and blessed to be able to provide for your kids. Thank You God.
My God provides for all my needs. He uses people to bless others. We are blessed so we can be a blessing. Shalom, SkyeAnd yet other sincere Christians suffer horrible misfortune and death. So i guess either they deserved it, or what God provides to people is not really related to their degree or faith.
We all deserve hell. We are all sinners. No one is perfect. We can not earn our way to heaven.It is only Jesus who wipes away our sin. No one else died for us. Yes many Christians suffer and die a horrible death. Many are martyred for their faith in all of recorded time. Christians know where they go when they pass from this life. It is to eternity with Jesus Christ. We do not die we go to our eternal home!!!! Yes it is very sad many suffer and struggle.God turns all things for the good for His glory and purpose. You never know whose life the Christian touched or the seeds they may have planted even in suffering. God holds us and gives us the comforter; the Holy Spirit. Our hope is in eternity with Christ. Sin is the root of all evil. It is a deep root since the fall of Adam. One day there will be no more sin no more tears or suffering. We will live and reign with Jesus. We need to choose in this lifetime. This is why Christians share the gospel message. When we die we go to where we will spend eternity. Many choose to deny Jesus. Deny Jesus He will deny us too.. The devil and the demons want all people to go down with them to eternal torment. We are talking eternity!! Choose Jesus..
My Love Skye.
It will be the best choice of your life time. It was my best choice and I am eternally grateful. Jesus Loves all. He so loves you and wants none to perish. John 3:16
And allows millions to starve to death every year?
Ephesians 6:12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. There is no evil in God. He weeps over the hungry and tells us to feed the poor, widow orphan. Not only in a literal sense but in the His truth. The gospel message of salvation. In His Grace and Mercy God has healed millions and millions and millions and millions have been led and saved to the truth found in Jesus Christ. There is an enemy in the world that wants all to believe God is not good and brings suffering. God will allow suffering for His purpose and Glory. We will not understand all things but God will return and when He comes there will be no more tears or suffering. Sin will be gone. Jesus defeated the devil on the cross at Calvary. Sin is the root of evil. God is the light and the way truth and life. John 14:6 Unless you have spiritual eyes and are born again of the Spirit of God, you will not understand. This is nothing I wrote but God writes. When you are born again in the Spirit of God you will have new understanding. You will be born again in the Spirit and Truth. The truth is in you and you will know and grow in understanding and effectiveness. God is a good God. He so loved he world He sent HIS only son to die for us so we could have eternal life and not perish in our sin but be made righteous before God the father. (John 3:16) It is nothing we have earned. Salvation is a free gift and many choose not to follow Jesus but the ways of the world. The prince of this world is the devil himself. I pray you come to know the truth this coming year. We all had to come to Jesus. It is nothing we did but everything Jesus did because He loves us so much..There is no greater love. In Faith you can go to Jesus and He will save your life. He stands at the door and knocks. My Love and blessings for a prosperous and joy filled new year in Christ Jesus. Skye
That's not really an answer to the eternal question of why bad thing happen to good and/or innocent people.
This is life.There is evil and good. With Jesus we have hope in eternal life. We will see our loved ones that so loved Jesus. We have a home in Heaven. Man chooses whom He will follow in this lifetime. We are born with a sin nature. Many will die in their own sin. Many will pass on the chance to spend etenrity with God and eternal life with Him' They would rather follow the enemy of he world. The prince of the world the Devil. We make choices that put us in a position to be hurt. With Christ we will still make errors and we will face many trial and tribulations. We have hope in Gods eternal word which is truth. He delivers us. Much of phrophecy has come to pass written over 1000 years ago. God is going to return.. He gives everyone a choice. WHen we choose Jesus our hearts begin to change and we long for Jesus. Jesus is the heart changer and there is nothing to large that He will not forgive. He only wants our love it is a personal choice.. When we pass from this earth we will go back to the Father. We want to be on the side of the gulf with Jesus.. We are talking about eternity!!! Without new eyes it is impossible to understand. That is why by Faith through grace we ask Jesus into our heart as Lord and Savior. (John 3:16) Salvation is admitting we are a sinner in need of a Savior. Jesus is the only way to salvation but the devil hates all people! He wants any and all to got to eternal torment forever. Seperation from God forever!!!!! ALL people!! He lies and is the father of lies. He lies to us and says you do not need Jesus. We need Jesus. We need a Savior because we are all sinners and to stand before God we need to be righteous. The blood of Jesus covers our sin when we love Jesus. Jesus will not bend any arms to come to Him but all are welcomed and invitied. My Love and Blessings I pray you come to know Jesus this new year. Skye
Could it be that some of us just don't want to share your "good news" and that it has nothing to do with Satan at all?
Back that up with facts, and not from some second handed writings from the ancient past, that hasn't been proven to be a valid source.
I fail to see how God can work such magnificent things in your life, while allowing poor helpless children to starve to death. Why can't God lead them to some food, just like he led you to the computer?
And that's true....why? Because you read it in a fairy tale, that you were indoctrinated to believe. Other than that, what other proof do you have.
Jesus wants none to perish, yet he created atheists and other non-believers????We have a free will to choose whom we will follow. God created man and we live in a fallen world. Jesus came and defeated the devil and took our sin upon the cross. This is no fairy tale. Eternal life is a free gift from God the Father. Jesus is the way to God. There is no other path. May God Bless you and I pray your heart softens to HIS truth. In sincerity, Love, Skye
Jesus knock at the door and asks. He loves you.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22
"But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.ā And if you say in your heart, āHow may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?āā when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."
Ezekiel 22:28
"And her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, āThus says the Lord God,ā when the Lord has not spoken."
Jeremiah 23:26
"How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart,"
Jeremiah 23:21
āI did not send the prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied."
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."Forgive me, sirdent, but this doesn't appear to be a story about hope. It would seem from the story that his hope was lost because he decided to wait on having a surgery that would have saved his life and remove the cancer. This story appears to be more of a lesson in how faith without works is dead. If he had hope for recovery, he was advised that by doing one thing would have caused the manifestation of his hope of getting better, but he elected not to. By the time he decided to have it the window of opportunity had passed. It's one thing to have total faith in God's healing power, but the more you operate in basic principles the less you have to rely on miracles. Sometimes we are sitting and waiting on God when God has already done it and it is waiting for us to walk in it.
Stay blessed, brother and keep working
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Psalms 40: 5 Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
A great song by Casting Crowns from their newest CD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea-uQFPcvaM - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
I have seen some amazing things in my life. I was not always a believer. I lived 36 years doing my own thing and going where I wanted. I was not raised in a Christian home but was raised a heathen.
I remember a woman came to church one night with a broken ankle using crutches. I have known this woman for a long time. When she left that night, her crutches were hanging on the coat rack. She walked on her own two feet.
My wife was told she would never get pregnant, yet she did. My son is now 17 years old. He was born a few months after I gave my life to Jesus.
Miracles still happen. God has not stopped working. Man stopped spreading the gospel of Christ.
I know many of you will say what I wrote isn't true or doctors make mistakes etc. . . I agree that doctors do make mistakes. Who taught these doctors? other doctors? Which doctors made the mistake?
The Bible speaks of people always learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth. It wasn't to long ago that the Earth was considered to be millions of years old, now it is billions. Does the goalpost get moved to change these times and dates?
No matter how you slice it, the fact is that we were taught by human beings who make mistakes.Just to play devils advocate, I was told I would never carry to term. I had three of my children while I was a practicing Pagan.
What I did to get one of those children would have been frowned upon by God The others were born in wedlock.Did doctors tell you that you would never bear children?
Yes. That's what not carrying to term means.
So you could get pregnant but just not carry the baby to term. My wife was told absolutely no way she could get pregnant. There is a difference.
Ah, of course. Not being able to get pregnant means no conception, no horrible 12 week miscarriages and no baby. Not being able to carry is much better thanks.
Your child is much more of a miracle than mine are.You know, I have been on HubPages for 6 years now. I have never been banned from the forums at all, even for one day, What I had to say at first might have caused me to get my first ban but I deleted it. You can be cynical all you want. You can be sarcastic all you want. You can play the devil's advocate all you want. The fact is nothing you can say or do will take away what God did for me and my wife.
And what you said to me and the reply you should have received would have also got me banned. If you can't figure out why, you might want to pray to God for some social graces.
You should never ever say what you said., It doesn't make any sense. Is it jealousy? Why would you want to try and take away someone's blessing? If you can't be nice, stop responding to me. I am cool with that.
Why in the world would I be jealous of the likes of you.
I didn't try to take away the joy of your child, I said that a doctors opinion that was wrong was not necessarily the work of God.
However implying that your wife's infertility was somehow more devastating than mine and your children were somehow more miraculous was a bit over the top.
Be nice to you? Great God you need a reality check. I give what I am given.My last reply to you. Even if I gave you evil, why do you render evil? Do not render evil for evil but be good to those that curse you. Take it how you will. You will not get another reply from me.
yeah, because that's the example that you're setting? DO you not see the blatant hypocrisy in what you've said in the last 20 minutes? Somehow I don't see Christ acting the way that you have.
"do not repay evil for evil, but be good to those who curse you". Did you even read what you posted? Do you not for one moment consider taking your own advise? Or are you above it?
It's not your joy I'd like to take away, it's the lies.
If God does special things for you, yet turns his back on desperate starving children.....allowing them to die.....then that God is HEARTLESS. And you can't take that away. But, of course, God loves you, and looks out for you. Why YOU, but.....not THE POOR STARVING CHILDREN?
The least will be the greatest... the starving children (and all others who fit the least category) will be the GREATEST in the coming kingdom! How much more these wonderful children have to look forward to once in the presence of God than those of us who are blessed here on earth!
I have prayed that the Lord would make me infertile...I would rather NEVER get pregnant than lose a child more than halfway through my pregnancy. That God blesses some with children while others who want nothing more than to create a life with their partners remain childless is a great mystery-and until you've given birth to a child that went straight home to Heaven instead of coming home with YOU-you should be very careful about how you speak to women who are mothers.
Sure, she was wearing a walking boot and forgot her crutches, nothing miraculous about that.
Sure, that happens all the time all over the world in various cultures and various religions, your wife is just one of many. No big deal.
Sorry, I see no miracles there, just normal stuff.
Ever heard of a malpractice suit? That's where a doctor has made a serious mistake and gets sued for damages. Happens all the time.
That's true, humans do make mistakes, just like the mistakes you made in this post assuming some miracles happened.Why deny the miracles happening continually? What about the "everyday" miracles - the fact that you live, have a body and brain, can communicate, can learn as a child, etc. If you pause for a moment, you'll see that ALL these things are indeed miraculous.
Then there are the out-of-the-ordinary miracles. SirDent tells of the child God gave him despite the impossibilities according to man. Cgenaea told of the sores she suffered from for YEARS until the Spirit told her the answer the doctors couldn't give, and BOOM that was it! CJSimonelli told of 13 years of pain followed by an encounter with the Spirit of God and BOOM she was healed and remained pain-free for the following 14 years! Yet the unbelievers deny these miracles. Why?
God performs miracles continually; they are received by faith. The devil also can perform some counterfeit miracles, so you will find those designed to confuse as well.
What good does it do you or anyone else to deny the miracles?But, you are CJSimonelli who is currently on a four week ban, so why would speak of her in the third person?
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Does this include those who believe in the same God, Christ, and Bible?
Well, that's very convenient, isn't it. In other words, when anyone disagrees or criticizes the religion, they are persecuting you in "all manner of evil... falsely". Rather than take up the disagreements and criticisms in stride and trying to explain them, it's just so much easier to toss out that verse and walk away.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Father God, I thank you for your Word and what it means to me. I thank you for the plan of salvation that is freely given by you to all who will accept it. I know Lord that it is not your will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. My prayer is that we decide in our hearts to willingly obey you and your Word. It is my prayer that the lost who hear your Word come to you in repentance. In Jesus mighty and precious name, AMEN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9qt1gFRVEISir Dent. Thank you for a beautiful prayer. I am in agreement with you dear bro. I may also add that our Lord in His mercy and grace touch the hearts that are hardened to the Spirit of God in the forums and on all of the earth. I pray many of those who are lost be led to the truth found only in Jesus Christ. I ask that the the scales fall from their eyes so they may see His glorious love. All Glory and honor to Almighty God.
dear forum friends. Sir Dent means no harm. He is speaking in truth and love. Not that I need to stand up for Sir Dent. He has the word of the Lord who is with Him. FYI Sir Dent and I and all Christians had to come to Jesus and ask Him into our hearts. We too did not see. We too had big questions about the hurting world and why would a good God do this or that? It is the devil who hates you and me. He has one purpose to destroy. He hates God and Gods people. God has no evil in HIM. He is all good. Yes He does allow things to happen for His Glory and purpose. Without the Spirit of God abiding in us, it is impossible to see. When we are born again the Spirit of God himself abides in us and we in Him. We are now given a new set of eyes to see. It is like we have 6 senses now not only the natural senses but the supernatural The Spirit of God points the way to Jesus; teaching us and leading us in knowledge and truth. Our Lord is for us, not against us. Many deny the Lord and spit on His face. They do not understand nor will they. God does not force himself on any one. If you are not born of the Spirit you do not see the Spiritual works of God nor can you understand. God wants all to come to Him though His son Jesus to be born again. When we come to repentance that Sir Dent speaks of in His prayer we acknowledge that we are sinners and in need of a Savior. The Savior is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It is then we will truly be free. Us Christians do not think we are better than others . God loves us all the same. He wants to Bless us and be our Lord. It is our choice to follow Him. He will do the transforming. He cares more than any one will ever care. He understands more than any. He came for sinners. I am sinner too but forgiven so I can stand clean before God the Father. When the Spirit of God lives in us the old nature starts to fall from us. It is nothing we do but everything that Jesus has done for us. I pray that if you do not know Jesus you ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He will. He only wants our love. He is not some bully up there with a whip. But the day will come when we will die from this earth. Our Spirits will go to one place or the other. Today is the day of Salvation. Tomorrow may not come. Jesus has open arms. He so loves you. He stands at the door and knocks. I am so grateful I answered. I am so Blessed. My life is not the same. It is not all easy but I know Jesus will get me through. He is the way truth and life. He word never changes. I do fall on my face sometimes but I know my Lord is there. He will pick me up. He is my help in every need. May this be the year for you if you do not know Jesus to invite Him into your heart as Lord and Savior. Amen.
My Love, A daughter of the most High God. SkyeI assure you, there are no scales on our eyes, we all try to see the same thing as you do, but it just isn't happening, no matter how we hard we try. It can't be our fault for lack of trying and is sure seems easy enough to do.
Jesus removes the scales. He is the way truth and life. He does not twist arms to come to Him. When Jesus comes into our hearts it is like we see with new eyes. His eyes. May God Bless you. Jesus loves you and knocks at your door dear encephaliDead. You just got to ask Him in as your Lord and Savior of your life, repent of sin, than you will will be born again and see. My Love Skye.
It's like you didn't even read my post. Oh well. Another one lost to the delusions of evangelism.
You know I'm kind of going along with the sentiments of what you say up until you start talking about the devil. Then I sort of switch off because now it seems you are talking like a plot out of Lord of the Rings. The whole Christian take on Satan is so out of wack with all that is reasonable and so bizarre compared to a Jewish Satan that it can only have been created by the Church to instill fear and control.
You're talking to your god by posting in an HP forum?
Or attempting to show others how great and how pious you are?
Between the two, I know which choice I would make...Wilderness I am sharing the good news of the Gospel. I do not think I am better than you or any other. I am a born sinner. I am saved and Born Again.. It is nothing I earned. No one can earn salvation. We are all sinners. Jesus is the way truth and Life. He is the Savior of the World. I am so grateful I was saved. There is not another way wilderness. We will spend eternity somewhere. May Jesus touch you in truth and love. My Love, Skye
The post was not directed towards you, but someone making a public prayer to his god.
I've never understood the utility of that move - why people find it useful or desirable to make their private conversations with god as public as possible. The only reason I could ever come up with was a desire to show everyone how pious, how godly, they are. Doesn't do much for me, and in fact shows how much they believe they are better than everyone in earshot rather than humility or godliness.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
1Th 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
1Th 5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Jer 6:17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
We see this same thing happening today. It is not only in the world but has crept into the Church as well. Too many pretenders playing games. I say this to anyone who will listen. God is not a game player. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Check this out. Only 10 minutes long. Best to watch from beginning to end and not skip over any part.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1572785681464 - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Just got some bad news. Two friends of mine died today. Going to leave for the night. Pray for the families.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
So God designed it all the Satan had nothing to do with it?
Still trying to twist things around? God gave them good things and gave them dominion over it all. They gave up their dominion and turned it over to the devil. Really simple to understand.
They never turned anythng over to the devil. Haven't you heard that the Earth is the Lords and everything in it? Or he owns the cattle on a thousand hills? Please provide a verse that explicitly states Adam and Eve gave dominion to Satan.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Isa 41:13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
God does not like a proud look. He resists them as the scripture says. Many also say, "draw night to God and He will draw nigh to you." They miss an important part of the scripture. First, we must delight ourselves in the Lord, then we can draw nigh to Him and resist the devil. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3nGSK-br4
People get ready by Misty Edwards. "I can hear the rhythm of the lion of the tribe of Judah" - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
āThou shalt call his name Jesus.ā
- Mat_1:21
There is something about the name, Jesus, that evokes emotions in people. Some love Him while others hate Him. The best thing about Jesus is, He loves us more than we could ever love Him.Who hates Jesus? Never heard of that one.
You can't think of a time when people hated Jesus, or his message, or his followers? Those are forms of hating Jesus.
Sorry, I have never heard of anyone hating Jesus. Hating his message or his followers is entirely something different.
Oh, in that case, read the gospels.I am not making that up. That is a great place to start to see what is being discussed. If you want someone dead, its a sign of hatred, and perhaps much more, lol.
Supporting verse of scripture
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.What does that verse have to do with anything?
From ED's post: "I have never heard of anyone hating Jesus" and now you post a quotation about hating a brother. Are you insinuating that ED is Jesus' brother? Because I see no other reason to list that particular quote.
If so, I would really have serious doubts. And besides it still makes no statement that anyone hates anyone. Just what the results would be if the DID hate.I love how you twist things. Not really but did you even see who I was replying to and what the person wrote? You should go back and see for yourself so you don;t have to take someone's word for it.
What do the gospels have to do with anything?
Sorry, but the story of Jesus was not about hatred, you should probably read the gospels yourself.Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Mat 26:66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
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Three times, Jesus was threatened with death because the pharisees hated Him and His message.The is entirely false, nowhere in those verses does it state they hated Jesus, that is just your misinformed opinion.
Jesus was crucified on the Cross for you and I. He died for the sins of the world. Do you think the people that condemned HIM to death loved HIM? No they did not. they spew Him out of their mouth. They hated them. Many had seen his healings and miracles or been healed. When He returns it will not be as Savior of the world but MIGHTY Warrior Lion from the tribe of Judah to rule and reign. If you deny Him, you too will be denied. It is written.Much of prophecy written thousands of years ago has come to pass!!!! We are in the latter days. Jesus loves you and wants none to perish. Either you are for Him or against Him. Love, In Christ Skye.
That's not true. The story goes that Jesus was crucified as an enemy of the Roman state.
That's just your opinion and is not supported by the story.
Please stop preaching.
And again, just because someone is not for Jesus does not mean they are against Him, those are only words meant to cause fights.If we really search our hearts deep down there is a longing to know this Jesus. There is longing to know the truth. The truth will set us free. God loves us. Is that so difficult to understand that God loves HIS creation. He has given us free will to love HIM or not. I share the gospel message because dear one we are talking about eternity. All of us will die. We will go to one side of the gulf or the other. Inside I think you long for truth. I am not here to fight. I am over that stuff. You do have a choice to believe or not. You choose not to believe in salvation. It is not I am trying to be all better or good. I am not. I am forgiven. May the Love of Christ soften your heart to truth. Skye
No, there isn't. In fact, there are far more people in the world that don't have that longing than there are that do. Many more have longings for their gods.
That's why we have science, it shows us the real truths of our world.
It makes no sense considering His punishments are extremely harsh. That is not what a loving God would do.
You can't love something that punishes people with extreme prejudice. You can't love something that tells you if you are not for Him, then you are against Him.
We are all capable of reading the Bible ourselves, thanks.
Gulf?
That is the reason why I turn to science rather than religion.Just one thing I am not talking about religion here. Salvation is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Religion is man made dogma added to the text of the Gospel message and or man religions have rules or guidelines they follow to take communion so on. For one to be born again we invite Jesus into our heart as Lord and Savior. We believe by faith that Jesus died for our sins and rose again. He is alive. AMEN.. HE IS the way, truth and light. We do not need to take or add to scripture it is written. By the way Science cannot disprove GOD. In fact in trying to doing so Science has discovered GOD IS AND WAS.
Many wishes for happiness. SkyeYes, you are, Christianity is a religion.
There's no such thing as "personal relationships" with dead guys.
Yes, like Christianity.
Sorry, but I don't buy that fairy tale.
That isn't the point of science, it's point is to explain how everything works, which is what it does, successfully.
That is entirely and completely not true.
Gotta go with ED here - never met anyone at all that professed a hatred for Jesus.
Of course, I've never seen anyone produce a verifiable reason for saying Jesus loves us, either. Heard the claim probably thousands of times, or hundreds of thousands, but never any evidence to show it is true.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Jesus said, "Those who are not for me are against me."
Those who do not love Him, hate Him.So, there's no such thing as being indifferent to Jesus?
Are you saying that if I don't love someone, I have them?
That is seriously ridiculous.Of all the historical figures and/or religious figures, the one that tends to draw the least amount of indifference, would be Jesus. (And his followers)
Think of the life of Jesus....did he tend to draw indifference. Did people just tend to shrug their shoulders, and do they now? IF it was nothing, I would expect way more indifference to Christ and Christianity than I observe.
Of all the religions, what is the one most gone after? Its not warranted, but its not unobservable, and that is a red flag not to be missed.So what?
I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Are you actually going to tell us who hates Jesus or keep posting irrelevant words?
That's just the kind of thing that causes fights.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
In the days of the New Testament, servants were often akin to slaves. As the book of Philemon shows. Paul had personal disagreement with the institution of slavery, but he did not crusade on social issues. His admonition was for servants to be submissive to their masters so their Christian testimony might be made evident. The exercise of faithfulness is like an adornment of the gospel, for it shows the power of love and truth over all difficult circumstances.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
There is a line drawn that no man should cross. God made The Way and He did it the right way. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is the Word of God, therefore, Jesus is God. He defeated the enemy as a man by resisting the temptations that were put before Him.
He was tempted in all points such as are known to man. Three times he was tempted of the devil. (1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.)
Notice that there are three things mentioned in the verse I posted. Each temptation corresponded with one of those mentioned.A superb example of classic indoctrination. Tell someone not to be tempted by their own mind.
in your own words, "but the problem we can't alway trust our minds can we. I've been tricked by my own mind many times."
http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2542441
How can anyone trust their own mind if it tricks them?Easier than trusting the priests mind, with his hand out for coin and a known agenda different than mine.
That's where thought comes into play. What makes sense?
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Did you ever think about who the sons of God were that went in to the daughters of men? Many believe them to be the fallen angels. I must say that I don't agree with that assumption.
God told Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth. We have no record of any children being born to them before they ate the forbidden fruit. We only have the Word given to them by God to multiply.
Any children who may have been born before the fall of man would have been in the likeness of God, just as Adam and Eve were in the likeness of God, sinless and blameless because there was no sin in them.
We also have the Word in the New Testament telling us that the angels neither marry nor are given in marriage. So which is right? - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Jas_4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Submission to God is the hardest thing to do but it is not impossible. David wrote, "Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart."
We also have to realize that we are His workmanship. We are not perfect yet but we are better than we use to be. Eph_2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Is there an alternative to that? For example, can I resist God and Satan? Perhaps, resisting God a little more because the Bible shows God killed a whole more people than Satan.
I guess if you try to resist Satan you trust in your self and your measures or man and his measures?Satan is the dark. He is the evil and wickedness and he roars like a lion to take all and any down with him. He hates GOD. He hates GODS creation. He hates that GOD IS GOD. He hates people.God created people. The devil only comes to steal kill and destroy John 10:10. Satan is clever and wicked and evil. He sneaks into lives. He keeps blinders on.
Jesus came to give us abundant life. John 10:10. Jesus laid down HIS life for us. He took our sin punishment on. You mentioned you do not sin. Not ever? OK. I know I fall short the glory of God and make mistakes. I do and say things that are not loving. I can be selfish and self centered. I am so grateful I am forgiven past, present and future. How could one deny the free gift of salvation from Jesus. All of HIS children had to go to Him. It is our choice. There is no better gift.
One day there will be a white throne judgment. (Revelation 20: 11-15) Either we are forgiven
and made righteous before God to live in eternity with Him or we will have denied the Savior Jesus and be judged for our sins. That is what the devil wants. He wants all to go down in their sin.
This is Jesus 'Amazing Grace' how sweet it is to save a wretched sinner as me. I once was lost but now I am found I was blind but now I see. Amazing SONG! I truly hope you consider Jesus. He so loves you. Do not be too late. In Christ Jesus with love, SkyeYou'd think he would just leave kinda like God did. I suspect it's all nonsense and you've been trained to think this way.
God murders people by the millions, Satan doesn't. God is the evil one, Satan is just misunderstood.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume about Satan. He seeks to kill, steal and destroy. It is what he does. It is his over arching goal in life.
Taking people down with him, mainly by his use of lying and deceit (he is the father of them, invented it), is his goal. He is rather successful at it, because many are weak and quick to believe a lie.
I wouldn't assume so much about the giver of life, much more is going on. Satan is not innocent, death and destruction is his whole point.Have you read the bible?
The first time Satan shows up he wants to give humans knowledge that God doesn't want us to have. God becomes so angry that we have knowledge that he makes us mortal and causes pain and death for every generation to come.
Now don't get me wrong I don't think God or Satan exist, but you have to read the stories without blinders on.Would you give your three-year-old the knowledge of rape, torture, etc., or would you tell them no they can't watch/listen to certain things that would provide "knowledge"?
God's anger was directed at the disobedience, not the fact that they possessed knowledge. They chose to follow Satan, as do we all in our natural state. They had to become mortal - If they were immortal in their sinful state, then no death and rebirth could occur. The death and rebirth were essential for them to eventually become immortal in a sinless state, made possible by Jesus' work on their (and everyone's) behalf.Let me get this straight:
God was angry because they disobeyed him?
He created Stan and made it so that we follow stan naturally?
But it was necessary that they disobeyed him so he could do the majick to redeem us through Jesus' "work" lol
And they were incapable of understanding the difference between good and bad when they disobeyed him?
Yet he still got angry?
And - you lie to your 3 year old and tell it god is all about love and save the bad stuff until it is already been fooled into believing god exists. Then you tell it about the raping and mass murders when it is old enough to understand that raping and mass murdering is OK as long as god does it.
That about sum it up?Would YOU tell a three-year-old about rape and torture? If you did so in detail that might border on emotional and sexual abuse, since they aren't developmentally ready to hear such. The point is that you are PROTECTING your child when you won't allow them to hear certain things or to watch certain things on television, for example. You are not "withholding" knowledge they should have; you are protecting them.
God was both protecting his children, and also testing his children when he forbid them from eating of just one tree, though they could have all the others. They didn't have to have the knowledge of good and evil; the offense was that they chose not their father God, but the deceiver Satan, who wants to be our "father" in place of God.
I try never to lie to my son. He is fully aware that people die. He also knows that they are sometimes murdered. He further knows that passing from this life to the next is actually a good thing; we look forward to our eternal life with God. I honestly can't wait to go see God face to face! What a joyous day when God ends my life here and takes me there!
God NEVER rapes or murders. As the author of life, the one who determines when life begins and ends, it is his role to determine when our last breath on earth is. This cannot fit the description of "murder", which can only be performed by those who are not God but are so arrogantly trying to determine when a life should end apart from the will of God.
Since our natural state is to be good and decent, then we should all be following Satan. Following God only serves to follow a mass murderer who kills people for no reason at all.
I once thought people were more naturally inclined toward good, and I still believe they have the goodness of God within them in many ways; however, during college I worked in a daycare with two and three-year-olds, and I can assure you their basic nature even at this young age is NOT toward goodness, but toward violence (they were hitting and biting each other every chance they got), greed, self-centeredness, etc. But God is love, so being made in his image, they do also have a great capacity for love. The closer people get to God in truth (and that is the key), the more they will reflect his character, which is love.
God is the author of life - he is the one who determines when our life begins and when it ends. Since this is part of what it is to be God, how then can this be called "murder"? Some die young and some die old, either way life on earth is just a breath compared to eternity. What's it to you when God says it's the time for them to pass from life here on earth to the next realm?
I have found nowhere that God ended people's lives on earth for "no reason at all." Take the Canaanites for example. They were KILLING their own children, sacrificing them to false gods/idols. They were harming God's children, the Israelites. Take the flood for another example. The earth was filled with violence, all the people were KILLING each other (not to mention the fallen angels were procreating with them). So God got rid of them. God didn't owe them their lives, he gave them their lives as a gift.
This is where our arrogant tendency comes in - we think God OWES us our life, and a life to old age. He owes us nothing. He gives us our first breath, he gives us our next, and our next... The God who owes us NOTHING just keeps giving and giving...That's an interesting perspective. It's okay to commit genocide as long as one has a good reason or any reason at all? Let's see, Hitler thought he had a good reason, he did in fact have a reason, but it doesn't need to be a good one I guess.
Do you also feel that because a parent brought a child into this life he/she can take them out anytime.God ALONE is the AUTHOR of life. That's what changes everything.
Hitler, inspired by the devil, was full of hatred for God's children, the Jews. His reasons for killing were far from good, but even if he killed only the wicked (say murderers), and it was not God's will that those murderers die but instead repent, then he would still have been wicked in his actions.
Parents may be the means by which the child was created and brought into the world, but they in no manner have the authorship rights, including the right to end the life. Without God not one breath can be breathed. God gives each breath. He by virtue of who he is, by virtue of his very being, rightly determines the number of breaths and the number of days lived on this earth. He determined the birthday here, and he has every business determining the "birthday" in the next eternal realm.
Hope that helps in clarifying.Actually, Hitler gave a speech that he was doing Gods work.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
- 1922 MunichHow the devil does pervert things! Don't you know the devil's greatest deceptions occur when he does evil "in the name of God", thereby confusing many? I assure you with 100% certainty that Hitler was no TRUE Christian, but had within him an evil spirit(s).
First, you can see in Hitler's own words that he did not know Jesus at all or understand the meaning of the Scriptures. Jesus WAS a Jew when he came in human form, he was BORN of a Jew, his first followers were Jews, he offered salvation FIRST TO THE JEWS, and he will save the remnant of Jews even still (they will NEVER be wiped out despite Satan's efforts through Hitler and many others). Second, there is documentation that Hitler consulted with "spirits". These would be demonic spirits.
You sure are interested in God and the devil for someone who states you don't believe in them. What's the real truth?Who are you to say who is a Christian and who is not? How do you know God didn't instruct Hitler to kill the Jews, he instructed Moses to slaughter the Canannites.
You don't know that, it could have been God talking to him.
They are probably imaginary, just like all the other gods.Tell me how you know the difference between genocide that was God inspired and genocide that was satan inspired? I mean if Hitler had won that war and was allowed to right it's history would you be proclaiming that his genocide was inspired by God? The God of the bible has asked many people to kill entire groups of people, how do you really know he wasn't angry at the Jews again?
Radman - Knowing the difference between acts led by the Spirit of God and acts inspired by Satan requires discernment, which comes from the Spirit. Studying the scriptures, praying for wisdom, spending time with God, getting to know God, dying to ourselves, being led of the Spirit, etc. ALL help us gain more and more discernment.
All that being said, even a new Christian will generally have enough discernment to quickly see that Hitler was no true Christian! His very words contradict God's instructions to us believers, God's love for his Jewish people, etc.
Even if God allows his children to be disciplined (as the Jews and us Christians have been many times), this isn't coming from a place of hatred, but of loving correction. Hitler had hatred toward God's children, the Jews. Hitler was motivated by Satan, though God may have used Satan and Hitler's actions to bring about greater good for God's people in the long run.
It really doesn't matter who writes what, we can see through evil if we have discernment. Even preachers must be listened to carefully to see if what they say lines up with the word of God.
Would you be up to a challenge, Rad Man? I honestly believe you are a compassion man in many ways. Would you, in all sincerity, set your anger and current judgments aside for the upcoming week, and search out every bible verse that tells you WHO God is and what it means to know God. You can easily find the verses by pulling them up online. For example: "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27; "He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD." Jeremiah 22:16
God is the Father of all compassion.Words cannot describe how morally repugnant a thing that is to say.
I hope DonW reads this so he may see the "positive effects" religion has on people.You may be fooling yourself, but you are not fooling me. You have no special powers.
Fallacy. There are no true Scotsmen. If he says he's a Christian than he's a Christian. You claim to be a Christian then you are a Christian.
I would like to ask you to please rethink your position as stated in this last paragraph. You call the killing of millions of innocent people allowed discipline. Did your God let the Holocaust to discipline them. God used Satan and Hitler to murder 6 million people for the greater good. That's sick.
I have no anger towards anyone, but some of your comments here are disturbing. I don't think I could allow myself to become anything like what you described above. You appear to be having the opposite effect on people that you hoped for.
Rad Man - Claiming to be a Christian does not make someone a Christian any more than claiming to be French makes them French. If someone who is not French tells you they are, then they are in truth lying. Hitler was NO Christian!
"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen." (1 John 4:20).
"āNot everyone who says to Me, āLord, Lord,ā will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, āLord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [a]miracles?ā 23 And then I will declare to them, āI never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matthew 7).So - none of those Christians that went along with Hitler were Christians either? But you are an example of a real one? What with all the loving and stuff you show.
No true scotsman. According to your bible and religion, anyone who confesses the Lord as their savior is saved and who believes in your God and Jesus is a Christian, whether their actions reflect the entire Bible (which more often than not they don't- including some of your own) or not. So by your logic, are we to assume that you may also not be a Christian even though you say you are?
That is a contradiction. Claiming someone else is not a Christian does not make them a non-Christian any more than claiming someone is not French. You say you are a Christian and so did Hitler. Neither one of you have shown any Christ like behavior.
Let me show you the difference. The first part shows who Hitler was.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Now the second part is more in line with who Cat is.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
She has been patient and kind with everyone she has replied to even when many post remarks meant only to inflame and cause strife.
You know Christians by their fruit.And these are behaviors that we see just as often by Christians as anyone else. There are some Christians even here that admit to still engaging in these things yet you praise them openly for being "good Christians what are faithful and know his spirit"
Which I have not seen from very many Christians here, including you. So do I assume that you don't have the spirit in you?
Does anyone else smell rotten apples?While Hitler most certainly could be accused of murder, so could the many Christians who populate prisons. None of the other stuff in those verses applies to Hitler, but most certainly applies to a great deal of self-professed Christians, again, many who fill the prisons.
Absolutely not, the only thing that applies to Cat is faith.
That is exactly what here posts are accomplishing, to inflame and cause strife, that is the fruit she bears.
Righteous Atheist - It's not for me to know whether or not any of Hitler's followers were Christians (then or perhaps later), but I do know none were FOLLOWING GOD'S WAYS in their horrible actions, and their LEADER was no Christian!
"Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning" (1 John 3:7-8)
There's a big difference between slips and such in the area of sin, and PRACTICING EVIL, as Hitler did.
I'm sorry if you haven't felt I've shown love. Is this because I don't count my God as evil when he takes children (or anyone) home to himself? Because I do not believe that as the AUTHOR of life God can be said to murder, as it is his role to decide when life begins and ends?
I'm sorry I can't be as righteous as you, RIGHTEOUS Atheist! But I thank God I need not rely on my own righteousness, but the righteousness of the one who has died in my place and declared me righteous in HIS sight!"but I do know none were FOLLOWING GOD'S WAYS in their horrible actions, and their LEADER was no Christian! "
Were the leaders of the crusades following God's ways? Those instituting the witch burnings or Inquisition? What about the wars of Israel, when they claimed that their god told them to destroy their neighboring countries, dashing out the children's brains and raping the women?
The point is that you have exactly zero idea of what God has told any of those people, or even Hitler. Perhaps Hitler had a message from God to destroy the jews because they don't believe in Christ. It would certainly not be the first time God has destroyed all or part of a community that He didn't like or that didn't follow His orders. Perhaps you should re-think a statement that you know what instructions God has given someone else. Plus, of course, that you know what is in someone else's heart concerning God, lest you be judged "guilty as charged" for judging others.You have done no such thing, by the very definition of love.
That, and much, much more.
Dr. Lamb - Anyone who confesses the name of Jesus IN TRUTH is saved.
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks." (John 4:23)
The devil is not stupid. His greatest deceptions are through his own evil children pretending to be God's children. "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves" (Matthew 7:15).
Just as SirDent has pointed out, you know people by their "fruit", figuratively speaking. "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?" (Matthew 7:16)
There are NO perfect people while here on earth. But you can clearly see the difference between one like Hitler, leading people to murder and torment God's innocent children, and one who says or does the wrong thing here or there.
Please don't play games or pretend with me anymore.Can you also tell the difference between a god of love and one that murders and torments innocent children? Like Egyptian children, or those "guilty" only of teasing an old man about having no hair?
Or do we just kind of..."forget" than some gods do that kind of thing and worship them any way? Out of fear, if nothing else - after all gods like that often command that mere people be afraid of those gods.
1 Peter 2:17 - Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
LOL. Sorry, but I don't believe that story for a second. Surely, there are one or two kids who are violent in some daycare facilities, but this is almost always attributed to either a mental disorder or child abuse by the parents. That is not the nature of children by any stretch of the imagination.
I can only assume that if all the kids were violent in your care, that would be more of a reflection on you than them.
Your God is not love, your God is extremely violent and selfish, the Bible shows that in spades.
Obviously then, your God is ending the lives of tens of thousands of innocent children every day. Horrible.
Absolutely.
Because, it's easy to see that is just childish mumbo jumbo that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
More childish mumbo jumbo.
You mean, God just keeps killing and killing...
"Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.
That is equivalent to:
1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute"
http://www.globalissues.org/article/715 … -the-worldEncephaloidead, you stated "I don't believe that story for a second", and the children's behavior was more a "reflection" on me than the natural tendency toward sin; Wow, you just called me a liar and worse! Why would you be so hateful when you don't even know me?
I too previously assumed children only acted this way in cases of abuse and mental illness. Then I saw what happened in a LARGE group (around twenty) children. My room had two other women workers, all with different personalities (one firm but nice, the other silly and nice, and me who was the "nice" college kid flocked to by the little ones). The children ALL wanted the attention, the toys, etc., and their natural tendency was to FIGHT to get it! I've never put my children in daycare after previously having seen the behavior there!
WHO wants to stay here on earth when eternity with God is to be had? God has determined that the children's suffering will end, they will have their birthday in the eternal realm! I am so thankful his children are with him! I can't wait to be with them too!
Isaiah 57:1 says, "The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil."
All that being said, I see you have a heart for the starving children. What a lovely thing that is! May you be blessed in the help you give them, and may it be eternally rewarded!Hateful? Where do you that ridiculous notion? Do you actually believe that anyone who disagrees with you is hateful?
That is a far cry from children having a violent nature. I seriously doubt they were all fighting, if so, that would reflect on those who were in charge.
Sorry, but life is precious and it is the only one we have, once it's gone, there's nothing else. Your afterlife fairy tale is not convincing to grown adults.
So, you are actually in favor of God killing tens of thousands of children every day. I'm quite sure though, you'll be whistling a completely different tune if it were your kids.
Yes, I am against God murdering children by the thousand every day. He is a very cruel God.I made it pretty clear that calling me a liar and saying the children's tendencies reflected more about me was what was hateful.
Life is indeed precious, but thankfully THIS difficult place is NOT the only life we'll get! I am in favor of all of us passing from this place to the next. I can't wait! Does that mean there's not grief when we die here? Of course not! We grieve, but we have HOPE and JOY, as we wait for our turn to see God face to face!I did no such thing, you should retract your accusation.
No, it wasn't.
It's unfortunate believers can't wait to leave this world, if they weren't dead, they would be in for a real shock.
EncephaloiDead:
"I don't believe a word you're saying" = "You are a liar".
As they say, "Haters gonna hate."
Enough with the game playing.
God bless you as you help the starving children!
Are you sure about that? He left a tree of knowledge in the middle of the field and told them not to eat it. Why? He didn't want them to have it.
Fastforward - Humans get together and attempt to build a big city that they can all be proud of. God comes down and stops the communication by giving them all separate languages. Did you know that's where all these languages came from. And I thought it was isolation.They were told they could eat from any of the trees EXCEPT this ONE. This one was the test - to show whether they would choose to follow their God or abandon him in favor of the deceiver, Satan.
An all know, all powerful God that can see the future needs to test people. He sets up a test, puts a tree next to them and tells them this tree will give them knowledge, but tells them he doesn't want them to have knowledge. Is that normal behavour for a parent to do? Imagine locking a child in a room with nothing but book and telling that child not to touch the books because you want the child to remain ignorant when you know the child will eventually pick up the book?
It's not like that at all. If there were plenty of other interesting things to do in the garden, and one thing that they couldn't do. It's more like telling a teenager not to go out driving the car or watch porn on the internet. You know the kid could do it, but you are trusting that if you leave to go for a walk, they won't immediately hop in the car.
It's only a metaphor anyway about making bad choices.I'm not saying that. I'm just describing the metaphor how I see it seemed to be set up in the Bible.
I don't believe a lot of what's in the Bible.The "bad choice" would be to listen to and follow Satan rather than God. Perhaps this could help explain it (I'm assuming the adorable boy in your picture is your son): Say that the choice for your son was between you, his loving father who wants to protect him, and a pervert who offers him candy. Now your son probably loves candy, and for you to DENY him candy might at a very young age seem HORRIBLE to him. But you know the one who is trying to give him candy is out to harm him. No matter how mad your son got at you, in truth it is the pervert trying to harm him, and you trying to protect him. Satan offers us "sweet" things, but Satan is nothing but a pervert - perverting every good thing from God!
Yes, that is the PR that the opposing side spreads about Satan. Does Satan agree with it?
Who has Satan murdered? Did he ever wipe out the human race, as God did in a fit of anger?
Does Satan lie? What lie has he told, and outside of God's word that it is a lie, why do you judge it to be so? Going clear back to the start, it would seem that God was the liar, Satan the honest one...Do you have any evidence of that? What did Satan actually do that would support your claims?
Who did Satan kill?
What did Satan steal?
What did Satan destroy?
Where did Satan lie?
Compare that to the death and destruction God committed.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I have heard many say that when a person comes to Christ, they should be fully grown in the Lord. They say there is no such thing as a baby Christian. How are we fully grown when we are just born? We must grow in grace as Peter wrote.
As we grow we learn how to do things in the natural. Newborn babies can do nothing though they may flail their arms and legs, they have no control over them at all. As they grow, they learn how to use their arms to reach for things and eventually, they are able to walk.
Our spiritual growth is much the same way. We learn as we go and eventually, we will be perfected and able to grasp things and to walk without falling. When we go through rough times, we should be shedding things which hold us back. Going through the valley is not easy but it is a must for us at times. We are told that we should let go of the weights that so easily beset us. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Hello dear brother. May Gods favor shine on you and yours each day. Keep on. Phil 4:13 U will I am sure. Hugs. Skye
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision:
How long will you wait before deciding? The day of salvation has come to you right now. It is not God's will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The Greatest gift that you could ever receive is the One God gave 2000 years ago. Like any gift, if it is isn't opened, it is useless. There is a second part to the verse I started this post with. It is below.
for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The LORD is near in the valley of decision. He isn't far away nor did He go on vacation and leave you where you are.
Many times in the Bible it is written that His hands are stretched out still. I think of when my son was a baby. I could stretch my hands out to him and he would stretch his out to me for me to pick him up. This is how I see God, my Father.
If you are still reading this and are lost, you must be thinking about it all. Won't you give your life to Jesus today? Nothing this life has to offer is worth going to hell over. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
2Co 7:6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down,
Jesus said, "If I go away, I will pray the Father send you another comforter." Have you ever been comforted? It is hard to comfort someone from a distance. When sadness hits us or something happens to a loved one, a hug goes a long way in comforting us. It is a touch that comforts.
Don't you think that God can touch you when it is needed? His arm is not short and he can reach you where you are. His ears are not dull of hearing and everything you say, He can hear. Why not let Him comfort you in your time of need? Reach out to Him, His arms are stretched out still.Why would we ever want to reach out to a mass murderer?
You call it murder to determine when earthly life begins and ends?
No, we call it murder when someone intentionally kills someone else.
The caterpillar has not been "murdered" by God when it turns into a butterfly, though it has died to its old life and now has a new life. We leave these earthly bodies and pass from this life to the next, but life continues as seen by God. God is determining when our days on earth begin and end because this is part of being God!
The life form is still alive, it has not died, this is nowhere near the same as God killing innocent children, they don't come back as butterflies.
Then, it is God who murders those innocent children. If it were your children, you wouldn't be saying the same thing.Likewise, the children's spirits (unlike their bodies) have not ceased to be, but have gone into the presence of Almighty God. "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8).
They will come back much better than butterflies; they will come back with their new bodies like Jesus' new body - an incorruptible body that will NEVER again be hungry, pained, or sad. What a glorious day that will be! All glory to God for his awesome, indescribable ways and plans!
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_OTz-lpDjw
Great message in song. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Psa 30:11 Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
Psa 30:12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Psa_37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. - SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luk 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.That looks like it is directed at non-believers who are hated by believers, who are called evil, who are reproached as they are told they will burn in hell and cast out of society in the name of Jesus.
Atheists are blessed. Thanks for sharing that.
Sincerely sorry if anyone has made you feel hated, EncephaloiDead! You are not hated. No one is trying to cast you out of society, and you are not judged as evil. You are deceived by a very clever deceiver, who has (to greater or lesser degrees) deceived us all! If the Spirit weren't working, I don't think you'd be as interested in all the "religious" topics.
I honestly believe you have the gift of compassion - you are concerned about starving children, you struggle with the idea of death, especially of the young, etc.
The devil may be offering "candy", but he is the pervert. God your Creator is the one who loves you, and he is not trying to deprive you of anything good. He is seeking your soul because you matter and he loves you. Doesn't stop God from loving you when you rage against him; he loves you yet and still. No one here knows who you will be one year, five years, twenty years down the road.
May God reveal his amazing love to you so that you at last will know his love for you and will have your spiritual eyes opened to the truth. Then you will be ETERNALLY blessed! Amen!Please don't speak for everyone. I for one don't care much for his empty opinions.
Sure he is, often as a matter of fact. Please speak for yourself.
Actually it's you who has been deceived. The God the bible is a jealous, mass murderer. Perhaps your God is not that one.
To bad more Christians are not concerned about starving children.
The devil offers nothing. In the OT he offered knowledge, but you God didn't want us to have it. The writers of the bible would have you believe that God wants you ignorant because the ignorant can easily be mislead. Why must you speak for God, putting words in his mouth as it you know what he thinks. You know what you think only and pretend God thinks it.
He'd have to cast aside his knowledge for that.I have lost count how many times believers have told me that I am evil and hated.
I don't doubt your irrational beliefs are true for you, but they are nonetheless entirely irrational and have no bearing on reality. Your fantasies of deceivers lurking in the midst are entirely irrelevant.
No, I struggle with irrational believers who love a God that murders children by thousands every day, according to them.
Once again, your silly fantasies have no bearing on reality.
Yet, he murders children by the thousands every day, according to you.
None of us have souls, that is just another irrational fantasy.
But, he will take it out on thousands of children today and then again tomorrow and the next day.
I will be me, obviously.
Preachy gibberish. Give it a rest, no one wants to hear that."Yet he murders children by the thousands every day, according to you."
This is a false statement. According to what I've said and as I've attempted to explain, it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to MURDER. He is the AUTHOR of life, therefore, just as he gives you every breath you take, he reserves the right to determine the number of your and everyone else's days. By definition, that determination of the length of our lives is part of what it is to be God.
I would rather die young than live a life of suffering. I would rather my child die young than suffer. Those precious children are with God now. Praise be to God!
Let's all be quick to end as much as the suffering as we can. Then the children will neither suffer nor die young. It is within our means in all our wealthy countries to offer much more help than we do. Many are helping, but let's help more and more!Try it. See how quick you are to praise God.
I would HATE for my child to die, but I would HATE IT MORE for my child to suffer, so if my child were suffering greatly, I would rather they go to God early than continue to suffer.
You must feel the same way, as I've seen from one of your posts that you made the horribly difficult decision to allow your child to die, knowing that death was better than keeping him alive for such little chance of anything but suffering.
Let's do whatever we can to stop the children's suffering - you, me and everyone who is able. This is truly what it means to know God!Are you saying you get to play God and decide who lives and who dies. I read about people like you from time to time in the news. Rather that letting their children go through a hard life they end that life so they can go straight to heaven. I don't think you should be preaching.
Here, I have to agree with you on something dangerous that shouldn't be preached.
Rad Man, I just read your reply. You have got to be kidding? Cat says no such thing in her reply. You need to read her words again rad man. Cat is saying there is a place of no suffering or tears when children pass from this life on plant earth. She is saying if she had a choice she would rather the child go home to be with God rather than struggle in pain on this earth. In love, Skye
Sorry you don't understand. I'm sure she is a nice person but preaching that a child should die rather than suffer has caused some to murder their children so as not to go though the suffering of life. Sometime people can't see beyond their own suffering and assume everyone suffers. This is dangerous and irresponsible preaching.
Rad Man Again that is not the point that cat was making in her reply. Perhaps you misunderstood her point. I thought it was written very well and clear. You have twisted what she said in your reply back.
Her words were clear. She said that God decides when people will die. Thousands of innocent children die every day from starvation. Therefore, God has decided their lives will end.
A loving God would not end their lives, though, a loving God would help them to live rather than take their lives away. Hence, God is not a loving God.You say "A loving God would not end their lives, though, a loving God would help them to live rather than take their lives away."
We the church as God's "body" are called to do everything we can to feed them, give them clean water, etc., and help them live. Many, many Christians are doing just that. This is love. This is love from God, revealed through us.
I do understand that without the knowledge and assurance that they continue to LIVE IN CHRIST, you are angered that God ended their lives here. Those who through the Spirit are seeing that which is invisible to the natural mind are given understanding that the precious children are now with God. They have finished their "race" here on earth and now already have their "prize" - eternal life with God himself!
Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." (John 3:3)
Once born again, EncephaloiDead, you will begin to SEE that which is currently invisible and foolish to you. You will SEE his kingdom, you will SEE that all who die in Christ continue to live in him!So what? There are many non-religious organizations doing the same thing and far more non-Christians. That is not love from God, that is compassion from people.
That is nonsense and has nothing to do with this.
More morally repugnant things to say. Absolutely horrible.
More preachy gibberish. You don't even bother to address any points made, you just preach nonsense.
If your God were a loving God, he wouldn't take away their lives, He would restore them because they are only children and deserve to live a full life, just like you and everyone else.
However, you appear to be very happy that they are dead, instead. Morally repugnant.
Of course, if it were your child, you would be praying for God to restore his life rather than take it away.Next she is going to tell us she converses with God/Jesus on a daily bases.
It's like some bizarre cryogenic technology in which aliens visited earth, froze people from the Bronze Age and are waking them up today.
Why would you say that? Are people suddenly more "Bronze Age"-like now? I don't know if people are any more like that today than they were 50 years ago, a hundred, or a thousand.
Not long ago people thought the universe was a few thousand years old, or at least they had no reason to think otherwise. So grabbing someone from the past (when it was thought that the earth was the centre of everything, was flat, had corners and was held up by pillars) the conversations with that person would resemble what we are seeing here.
Not long ago scientists thought the earth to be millions of years old but they keep moving the date back to try to make up enough time for their views to be relevant. Evolution couldn't have happened in only a few millions years so they moved the goal post and say it is billions of years old now.
Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth,Yes, science keeps learning to uncover the truth, whereas religion does not learn anything, is stagnant and absolute, though shown to be wrong so many times.
Of course, you are dead wrong about moving the goal posts to conform to evolution, but that would expected as you are fixated on one book of myths.Ha ha ha. They didn't change the time to account for evolution. They changed the time as evidence came in. You see the people investigating evolution are not the same one investigating the age of the universe and our solar system. But you can stick with 6000 years in spite of the evidence. And we will be having a conversation with someone from the bronze age.
God is love (1 John 4:8) and we are made in God's image (Genesis 1:27); therefore, the love coming from people (both believers and unbelievers) is a reflection of God's love.
Believers are to "grow in grace" (2 Peter 3:18) and should be growing more and more like God himself, so they should reflect the love of God most of all. That is not to say the matter is not confused by those who claim to be believers but are not and are really wolves in sheep's clothing. There are also those who have not yet "grown up" in Christ, so they act less love-like.
When determining if more believers or nonbelievers are helping hungry children, first remember that we have to look at PERCENTAGES of each. If, say, there are 90 unbelievers around the world for every 10 TRUE believers, and we find that in a sample of 100 people feeding the children, 40 were true believers and 60 were unbelievers, we still have a much greater percentage of the believers feeding the children, there just aren't as many believers in the first place.
If believers are not acting in love, they need to check themselves to see if they are really in the faith at all. That does not mean they are all called to the same mission (e.g., feeding the children), or that their humanity will not enter in here or there (they may become angry and let their human nature take over sometimes).
God is loving and in his love he has made a way for the children (and all of us) to overcome death and live with him forever!
I myself don't want to live a LONG life (though this is a fine desire for those who do desire it), but I personally hope I go to God before too much suffering here (I want to live long enough to raise my children, and before I had children, I didn't care if I died early or late, I just said whatever God's will was would be good). When someone very close to me was dying at a young age, I didn't pray for them to live longer here, but that God's will be done and that the BEST thing for them be done -which God alone knows.- Do you actually believe that referring to a couple of verses in the bible is going to prove anything? I can post verses from the bible showing God to be incredibly cruel, selfish and evil. So what?
There are those who simply have not grown up at all as they retain their invisible friends.
There are far more believers on the planet than non-believers. Many of the believers, though, pray to their God, which is basically doing nothing at all and pretending they are doing something.
Sorry, but faith has nothing to do with love or compassion.
God is evil as he kills thousands of innocent children every day.
Repugnant morality. Excuse me while I go and vomit.
If charity is love from God revealed through us then way are none Christians also charitable?
You can see the kingdom of God. What's it like? I'd bet your version is different than other's. Do we keep our bodies? If so what happens to those babies who have not yet learned to talk? Are old people stuck in old bodies? Where exactly is this kingdom?Dr. Lamb -
Humans are made in God's image (Genesis 1:27) and God is love (1 John 4:8), so love from both Christians and unbelievers is from God.
My "version" of things should be very similar to that of all believers, as it comes straight from God's word and not from my own design.
Do we keep our bodies - "For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself" (2 Corinthians 5:1); "We, too, wait anxiously for that day when God will give us our full rights as his children, including the new bodies he has promised us - bodies that will never be sick again and will never die" (Romans 8:23)."Yes, dear friends, we are already God's children, right now, and we can't even imagine what it is going to be like later on. But we do know this, that when he comes we will be like him, as a result of seeing him as he really is" (1 John 3:2).
I wasn't sure of all the verses to direct you to for your questions about the kingdom of God, but gotquestions.org seems to be very biblically based in their observations about the kingdom of God, so I thought this might be more helpful than I would be:
"The kingdom of God is the rule of an eternal sovereign God over all creatures and things (Psalm 103:19; Daniel 4:3). The kingdom of God is also the designation for the sphere of salvation entered into at the new birth (John 3:5-7), and is synonymous with the ākingdom of heaven.ā
The kingdom of God embraces all created intelligence, both in heaven and earth that are willingly subject to the Lord and are in fellowship with Him. The kingdom of God is, therefore, universal in that it includes created angels and men. It is eternal, as God is eternal, and it is spiritualāfound within all born-again believers. We enter the kingdom of God when we are born again, and we are then part of that kingdom for eternity. It is a relationship "born of the spirit" (John 3:5), and we have confident assurance that it is so because the Spirit bears witness with our spirits (Romans 8:16).
God is sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient and the ruler over all of His creation. However, the designation "the kingdom of God" compasses that realm which is subject to God and will be for eternity. The rest of creation will be destroyed. Only that which is part of the "kingdom of God" will remain."If the "love" displayed by some believers here is a reflection of God's love, then either it s a poor reflection (not likely), God has a poor image (more probable), or God doesn't truly love us. Given the biblical flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all the atrocities in the bible as well as what we see daily of people dying of starvation, children dying of cancer.. etc, this is the most logical and reasonable answer
Their version of things also come from God's "word", yet most of them see things differently than you. So Why should all believers version be similar to yours and not the other way around? Are you claiming that your version is the real version?
This is a tough topic, and not just with children. The kind of suffering being judged, needs to be made clear perhaps. I don't know for sure. If you are just sharing a personal view though, that no amount of suffering is ever enough to let go of someone, that is one thing. To assume that extreme and horrific amounts of suffering isn't what is being talked about, is to assume someone is almost a monster. I imagine most of us can't begin to imagine what that is like to have that kind of suffering in our lives, that it is even a question.
I know of a story that applies here, we knew the parents personally, where I won't go into details. The gist of it though is that they were being judged by medical staff for not letting the baby be taken prematurely, as it would be born, suffer then slowly suffocate upon birth. Those parents struggled with the hardest decision of their life, and chose the route that you seem to be supporting, letting the child live but suffer until nothing else can be done. They were somewhat judged, and that only made everything worse. They figured they wouldn't play God.... Its never usually a tidy scenario, very incredibly difficult. So it depends on particulars. Until we know those, why not assume better of people, especially ones that seem to be newer to Hubpages and are needing encouragement, not this stuff?My point is that telling people that it's better to sent a child to heaven rather than suffer is dangerous. As far as we know this life is all we have. There have been some in the past that decided to send their young children to heaven before that could be tempted by Satan or have to suffer the hardships of life. I can hope that is not what she intended to say, but it can be interpreted that way and has been done so in the past.
Rad Man My point is she never said that!! You are just digging a hole for yourself rad man. You missed the point. I am out of here tonight.
Jesus is the way, truth and life. John 14:6. In Christ Skye.
Thank you, oceansnsunsets! How hard that must have been for the parents! It grieves me that the human tendency is to judge people already going through such hardships! I hope God has given them peace about their situation.
Wow, Rad Man! I was never saying I would take any action to end my child's life, but that my PREFERENCE would be for God to take them home to himself rather than having them suffer in some EXTREME form, such as extreme pain, starvation, etc.
Even in that situation, I understand that God may have great plans for a child to overcome and do great works here on earth, and I would NEVER do anything to intentionally harm my (or any) child.
God alone determines the number of our days. If I were in the position where I HAD to make a decision, such as my child being on life support, I would wait for God's guidance before making even that decision.
Perhaps I should have clarified my last paragraph, in which I stated let's do whatever we can to stop the children's suffering. I was here referring to HELPING and FEEDING hurting/hungry children, as I mentioned in a previous post tonight. I never imagined anyone would take my comments the way you seem to have, so maybe I wasn't as clear as perhaps I should have been.The point is if you cannot be clear with your preaching someone could misunderstand your words and perceive a hard life as suffering. This has happened in the past, people have murdered their children to send them straight to heaven. What you did was describe a reason to do that even if it was not your intention. So I ask that you either be more clear with your thoughts or stop preaching.
Just to be clear... I didn't choose to end his life because he was suffering. I chose to tell them to stop doing CPR after over an hour because he didn't have a heart-beat and wasn't breathing.
I chose to keep him alive and fighting every second before that, and he lived a happy life with painful moments. He is not better off with God. He would be better off with his father, his mother, and his siblings.
Beautiful reply~ Gods Honest truth. You said it like a Saint~~ May God Bless your works for Him. May God touch our dear friends hearts as He so touched ours. In Christ Jesus. Love, Skye.
"God used Satan and Hitler to murder 6 million people for the greater good.??? That's sick."
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Something to think about. I was talking with a friend to day about things like this today.
The six million people Hitler killed, The many soldiers and civilians who died in WWI and WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
If these people had not died, had they had the customary number of children for that era, and their children had , and those children had two children, ... The worlds population would probably be ten times what it is, There would be ten times as many (or more) people starving to death.
Nutritional standards as a whole would be lower causing a much lower standard of health.
When we fix one problem issue ... another greater problem arises.
What kind of world would this place become if nobody died, and babies kept being born?
Whether we believe in life after death or NOT, Death seems to be a necessity for life.
The balance of cells dying and new cells being "born" is a natural every day occurrence inside this body of mine, The death process begins at birth.
So you can blame God for Death; And if there was no such thing as Death, You can blame God for that other scenario that we don't like more than the one we would be in..I don't know Jerami.
That's no justification at all.
If we killed 5 billion people today, the world would be peachy, with enough for everyone? I think this is close to the same thing.
Please rethink your stance.I'm not saying it is OK. I'm not saying it is a good thing or a bad thing. It is just the way it seems to be.
I once checked out the facts which I could find concerning population growth of the planet for the last 6000 years. Despite the millions of people killed during any time period, Even taking the black plague (13 century) into account, population growth held at about 1 1/2 percent through out each decade until the end of the 19th century.
I'm not saying it was OK for us to influence who dies by any particular way.
Nature has a way of taking care of its problems.
I'm just saying we can "Worship" life equally with death. Can earth have one without the other.
If I had had the chance, would it have been a good thing if i had killed Hitler?I'm not sure what I think of any of this. These are hard questions. My mind wants to shy away from the questions altogether, because it is so unpleasant to think about. I will have to come back to this one when I've thought it through some more.
Interesting observations.
I've been told that there was a woman who stopped young (teenaged?) Hitler from committing suicide!
When you say we can "worship" life equally with death, do you mean more that we can embrace death equally with life?
Death was our enemy, but thanks be to God, Jesus overcame death when he died on the cross for our sakes, and then rose again, so that we all have the opportunity to live eternally with him!
When people die, we grieve because we miss them, and we grieve for unbelievers, but when it comes to the children of God, we can sincerely say: "Now, oh death, where is your sting?" The victory is ours through Christ Jesus!When you say we can "worship" life equally with death, do you mean more that we can embrace death equally with life?
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That too ... Do you think Worshiping life is a good thing? Or is that too strong of a word "Worship"?
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Death was our enemy, but thanks be to God, Jesus overcame death when he died on the cross for our sakes, and then rose again, so that we all have the opportunity to live eternally with him!
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I'm not so sure that Jesus caused it to become that way ?? I think that (at least this much); he told the people many things including things about the afterlife and he just showed them an example of how things work, In a way that was indisputable. (???)
Maybe the Hebrew religious institution wasn't teaching any of it right. I know the bible does tell of many things they were wrong about.
Jesus did mention a couple of people who had died who it is said they were in the Boos em of God.
I'm thinking there might have been a bunch more than the bible talks about ???
I wonder if I'm going to burn in Hell just for thinking stuff like this, and I do everything else right ?????
" oh death, where is your sting?"
especially when Jesus died for my sins,I don't know all the answers, that's for sure, but as long as you're coming to God THROUGH Jesus, letting Jesus be your righteousness, then you are DECLARED good and right and have no need to fear hell! God bless you!
The all powerful words coming down from the cross; ... "Father forgive them cause they don't know what they are doing". Those words are one of the last things he said.
I think he saved the best for last! A long time before that , He was telling the religious establishment, "Why are you making up all them rules that you don't even follow? .... And we haven't evolved any since then.
Don't take me wrong please, ....
I'm just whispering from the roof top's
Why would death be an enemy? True, those left alive will grieve, but that doesn't affect the one that died. So why is death always an enemy? To many I think it is a friend.
And no, no one, god or not, has ever overcome death. We still die, we still do not KNOW what happens then (in spite of all the belief in the world) and we are usually still afraid of that most natural thing. Only a few, both believer and not, are truly unafraid of death, but there is no reason to be if we can only grasp the "unknown" does not mean "fearsome".I'm not really afraid of death, I'm more afraid of leaving loved ones behind with my support. I've excepted death was coming a long time ago, I understand nothing will happen, I'll simple stop being me, just like I wasn't me before I was here. I can see it coming like a freight train, I simple hope it's not painful and long so as not to burden loved ones.
We come, we stay, we go.Just so - death need hold no sting for the dying. The ones left are the only ones that will suffer, either from simple loss of companionship or from lack of physical, financial or other support. But the dead will not fear, will not hurt, will not even exist.
This is well known and understood, so why the fear? Why the constant entreaty to join a church for everlasting life that ends at death? Why the threats of hell? Why any of that when death is the ending, nothing more?I think the problem with given something to someone is that you can't easily take it back. People are indoctrinated into thinking that will live forever with the love of a God, The subconscious won't let that go. It will continue to lie and cheat as that little lie has given the subconscious control. Cat333 does't know she is lying to us, but her subconscious does.
You may be right - certainly other nations and peoples don't seem to have that almost debilitating fear. At least until the missionaries come, whereupon it is nurtured into a giant tree instead of a dandelion.
They say that life's a carousel
Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well
The world is full of Kings and Queens
Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams
It's Heaven and Hell, oh well
And they'll tell you black is really white
The moon is just the sun at night
And when you walk in golden halls
You get to keep the gold that falls
It's Heaven and Hell, oh no!
Fool, fool!
You've got to bleed for the dancer!
Fool, fool!
Look for the answer!
Fool, fool, fool!
And you know for a fact that she is lying? Sweeping statements made as fact without proof are always wrong to make. People like you who say you cannot know for sure what really lies beyond this life are the ones who are lying.
No matter if you believe me or Cat or anyone else, we do know what lies beyond this life. it i snot blind faith but faith with evidence. We post stuff here in the hopes that your eyes will be open. That is all we can do.
I also notice how much time you spend here in these forums. The title of this thread is Christian Discussion and you force your way in almost daily to spew your venomous words. I invite you to come to one of our church services and try to do it in person.I didn't say it was a conscious lie. She thinks she is telling the truth.
Like that sweeping statement? I dare not say someone else is not knowingly lying, but you state that I'm lying. There is only wishful thinking that life exists after death. Someone claiming to know what the kingdom of God is like is not being honest with themselves as logic should tell them that have no way of knowing that information.
That sir was not really being honest was it. You have no special powers and cannot provide any evidence. You are in fact attempting to manipulate others into thinking you have special knowledge that we know you don't have. It's rather like me claiming I visited Mars last night on my invisible spaceship.
How Christlike of you to threaten others. I guess you feel it's easier to lie to others if they are in front of you. Now go back to quoting scripture that no one reads and the threaten someone who questions you.A lie is a lie whether known to the one lying or not.
No threats were made against you. I invited you to come to church and do what you do here.
Thanks for calling me a liar I truly appreciate it very much.
Now let's get down to business. Many have been banned from these forums because of calling you and others liars. Just in one day alone, you have called at least two different people liars. Tell me, why should you not be banned?A lie is an intentionally false statement. So you are wrong. I specifically said she had no intent to lie. You however accused me of lying with intent.
Why?
You don't like when someone does it to you but you don't mind telling other they are a liar?
I have no idea what you are talking about. Who was banned for calling me a liar?
- Nice sweeping statement made as fact without proof, there.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
āGod, that comforteth those that are cast down.ā - 2Co_7:6 Remember when you were a child and skinned your knee or got hurt in some way? Nothing could comfort you like mom could. She knew just the right words to say and how to treat your wounds.
God is like a mother because He knows how to comfort those who have been cast down. Jesus told His disciples that He must go away but that He would pray to the Father to send another comforter. The Holy Ghost can comfort us like no one else can. He knows what we need even before we do. He has the power to comfort when things seem to be the worst they have even been.
Let God comfort us when we feel cast down, trodden underfoot, hurt, bruised and abused. No one can help us like He can.Amen, brother SirDent, and praise God for the incredible comfort he gives us!
That would contradict everything you're saying about children. Where is their comfort? Why would God give YOU comfort and take away their lives?
The Comforter (that is, the Holy Spirit) is at work in the world and he does indeed bring comfort to the children. God comforts me IN MY PAIN and God comforts them IN THEIR PAIN. And after we've suffered a little while here on earth, God will take us to himself and we will be COMFORTED FULLY AND ETERNALLY!
Is that why Mother Teresa insisted the dying receive no pain medication? Suffering brings one closer to God?
Sorry, but that statement would show you really have no idea what those children are going through. You only know of your own comfort, oblivious to the world around you.
Are you now making assumptions about my pain, EncephaloiDead?
Is it possible a person with physical pain disorders, clinical depression/anxiety, stressful circumstances, death of close loved ones, etc. DOES experience pain that you have no business judging?
Regardless of the level of pain of any person, God comforts those who are his IN THEIR PAIN! And the children are his!
We praise God THROUGH OUR PAIN!No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy regarding your comfort.
So, why would God create tens of thousands of children every day only to watch them slowly starve to death over a few years, less or more, and then kill them? He creates these children whose entire lives are misery and pain.
How are your children doing, btw? Have they been fed? Are they good? Not starving? Will they live to grow up to be adults? Do they experience the same pain day in and day out as those starving children?
If what you say is true that, "We praise God THROUGH OUR PAIN!" then obviously those starving children are praising God every single moment of their lives while your children are not praising God at all.God's children are created for ETERNITY. Anything here (the shortest life of a few seconds to the longest life of 120+ years) is but a breath compared to eternity.
You have so much opportunity to HELP these children! Praise God for your blessings and then go help them, as you've been given a heart for them FOR A GOOD AND GOD-GIVEN PURPOSE!
In America we are such a blessed nation that our "poor" are blessed compared to the poor in other nations. The truly starving children would be so happy to find trashcans FULL of "good" food outside the restaurants, just thrown out and not yet bad!
We recognize our blessings here, praise God for them, but we don't discount the sufferings of many kinds.
My children are well presently. Thank you for your concern.
We praise God both in our sufferings and in our blessings and victories.Yes, that's what I thought. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. I'm sure the parents of all those children your God killed would be happy to know that.
By your definition, God will "kill" my children sooner or later, because they will go home to him someday. This cannot be murder in the true sense because the Sovereign Lord determines the number of our days.
My children may go to God during childhood, young adulthood, midlife or old age. This is for God alone to decide. I praise him regardless. I know myself, and if my children go to God during childhood, I will most likely ask him to take me also along with them, but I will nonetheless praise him forever and ever, as I am his and am sealed as his! To God be the glory both now and forever!Wow, that's very complicated. I prefer reality, it just makes more sense.
Yes, after they have lived a full life of comfort and joy in direct contradiction to the very short life those other children must endure, thanks to your God.
So, he creates tens of thousands of children only to take their lives away after they live a life of abject poverty and misery, something YOUR children need not worry about. God is just so fair in his dealings with children, don't you think?
Of course, you do, anyone who lives in a tiny, selfish bubble oblivious to the world around them would probably do the same thing.You see the future, Encephaloidead?
I make no assumptions about the length of my or my children's days. I make no assumptions about the pain I or my children will go through. I trust God that NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS he will get us through and will take us to himself in the end!
Those children LIVE IN CHRIST. They are alive, even as Christ Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven! To him be the glory both now and forevermore. Amen.Here's a hint about reality, those children are dead after living a very short life of misery, your children are alive, healthy and happy. See the difference? Or, will you continue to evade reality and keep on preaching?
If you in fact are CERTAIN the children are dead rather than alive in Christ, and I am evading reality, why even call God a murderer? Since you are so sure that he does not exist and I and countless others are delusional, why call him anything at all?
Should "preaching" (or prophesying) be done only by those with "dead" children? What a clever way to limit the "preachers"! Still, many a preacher has experienced the death of his/her child, and they continue to preach and praise God. How will you attempt to limit them?
Please don't preach things like that. I normally don't care what people preach, but this is outright untrue.
We don't "Praise God with our pain." That doesn't even mean anything. God may be comforting to you. That's between you and God.
There are real people, with real issues, and REAL pain and suffering.janesix - We praise God IN OUR PAIN or THROUGH OUR PAIN, no one said WITH our pain. We praise God in both good and hard times.
Why would you judge another's pain?
It is not only me who God comforts; his comforting presence goes out and comforts hurting children and others both near and far..
"It is not only me who God comforts; his comforting presence goes out and comforts hurting children and others both near and far"
Not true by any means. God does not comfort people in pain. Maybe some people are comforted by their faith.Yes, our faith is a means to accessing God's comfort, but our faith can further bring about comfort for others when we pray to our Father that his comforting presence go to them in their times of trial.
Perhaps someone has been praying for you in your days of pain, or perhaps they are being called to.
We ourselves also have the privilege of bringing them comfort by any means we are able, bringing them the comfort which God himself has given to us.This reminds me of this scripture. Mar_2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. This shows me that the man who was sick may have had no faith at all but their faith was seen by Jesus and the man was healed of his Palsy.
Yes, SirDent, as you say, THEIR faith was what brought about a response from God. In other places, it was the faith of a parent that brought healing or release from demonic possession for a child.
Please quit spreading lies.
People depending on "faith" for healing ends up with people dying. Especially when it's innocent children who can't fend for themselves.I'll tell you my own story of "faith" healing. I was going blind. I had cataracts that happened out of nowhere, coming on very quickly in both eyes, within a period of a couple months. Nearly blind and with no money or insurance, I spent weeks trying to "heal myself with loving, healing energy".
Guess what? I became blind. Luckily, someone found a hospital who was willing to provide my $9000 surgery free of cost. Who actually paid for my surgery in reality? Donations from CARING HUMAN BEINGS. To whom I will always be grateful to for saving me from a life of blindness.
THIS is caring and loving.
God is real, but he doesn't heal, and he doesn't comfort. That is for us to do for each other.
That is the scariest statement I have ever seen in my life.
Demonic possession of a child? Seriously?
Like these two kids that were killed because their mother thought they were possessed by demons?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/19/justice/m … sm-deaths/
They were 1 and 2 years old.
Seriously, this shit has to stop. It's beyond silliness now, it's dangerous.Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Do you follow the Bible or not? Cat did not say all children were possessed with devils. She merely pointed out that some were set free of demonic spirits because of the faith of a parent.Do you have any idea how many children have been killed during "exorcisms"? Seriously? How many children possessed by "devils" were drowned or smothered? Not hundreds of years ago. NOW. That link above was less than two months ago.
So, yeah, no. No, I don't follow the Bible when it says to kill your children because you don't understand science. Would you? Would you smother, stab, drown, burn and mutilate your child because the bible said he might be possessed by "demons"?
That's what the religious are doing TODAY. Are you game for that? That's what you're advocating. That's what you are saying you believe is right and holy.
Congrats. I'll take my chances with Satan if that's what God means.
I'm actually sick at my stomach right now.That has nothing to do with what anyone said. A woman came to Jesus asking for her daughter to be healed because she was vexed with an unclean spirit. Show me where Jesus killed children like you mentioned above.
I am glad you at least made a decision who to follow. Many times I have read where you called yourself a christian, Your colors are showing,That's what parents cleaning children of evil spirits do. They strangle them, stab them, burn them and drown them. Want links?
I'm glad you finally made a decision on what kind of parent you are. Many times I have read where you call yourself a father. Your colors are showing.
Go ahead and report me for my personal attack, I reported you for yours.I didn't see you attack anyone personally. What I saw was you twisted things around to make them say what you wanted them to say.
You also posted links to try and confirm what Cat said but it was a failure because you had no idea what she said. .You never seem to see where you personally attack me, yet you've done it in several posts.
Personal grudge much?
*edit: Misread your post. Sorry.
Anyway, Jesus isn't who I'm worried about. It's his crazy ass followers that kill their kids because they think God said to. God said they were possessed by demons. That's what you two are saying is fine.
Once again: Jesus Good.
Crazy Zealots: Bad.
Guess who's side you are routing for?I forgot you were from these parts...
Do you remember about twenty years ago, the woman who took her two kids out in the woods and left them there because she said she prayed to God to heal them from their demons and that was what he told her to do?
I knew that woman. She was the most devout Baptist you'd ever want to meet in your life. She never showed one sign of insanity before that. She swears still to this day that that's what God wanted and that her two girls were possessed (and still are) by demons.
That's what you are encouraging... whether you admit it or not. One of those girls lost part of her foot and three of her fingers because she covered her sister with her body to protect her from the cold. Sounds demonic to me.
What this scripture tells us is the writer had no idea what causes illness or what an illness was. Which is in line with what the people of that time thought.
But go ahead listen to them.
So I guess what you are saying is that there are no ill children of real christians?
Are all illnesses demonic possessions? I always figured that it was just the ignorance of the writers of the bible, but perhaps it's our ignorance and we should just go back to praying for the ill rather than wasting all that money on doctors?
Not all illnesses are due to demonic possession and in fact IMO most are not. All illnesses stem from sin which entered into mankind when Adam ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
That doesn't explain why other animals get sick. There is a natural explanation and it actually makes sense.
There is no real natural explanation. Bodies wear out is what docs say. Why do bodies wear out when everything in a body is created to replenish itself?
When death came to mankind, it came to all creation.Sorry, you just made that up. Plus illness has nothing to do with the body wearing out. Old age does have something to do with the body wearing out.
Death is a natural process. Growth ends for males in the early twenties, and females in the late teens. It is, biologically, all down hill from there. Maintanence of the body, slow decay towards death.
"Doctor" Dent just debunked a couple thousand years of medical history with one fell swoop of the bible.
BSFC.
- This is why good people die young and evil people live long lives.
God is our Healer and our Redeemer. Jesus healed all who came to him, and cast out demons of many, many people, including juveniles. He did so lovingly, never harshly, never in anger or judgmentally.
Melissa Barrett and friends - I have never been violent with anyone, and I have never advocated the harm of anyone. Please stop falsely portraying me as someone who would advocate the victimization of children. Thank you.janesix - Do you not know that God healed your eyes? Do you not know that those donations came from people whose hearts God laid it on to help you? Your "loving, healing energy" attempts were not the method He used to heal you; your surgery was. We don't always get to decide HOW or WHEN God heals; He does. Sometimes it's miraculously, sometimes it's by the wonderful abilities he's given our awesome bodies, sometimes its through the knowledge and skills and love of his creation. But it is ALWAYS from God.
And if we die instead of seeing a healing this side of things? That's when the ULTIMATE HEALING has taken place.
If we say our faith brings about healing, this is true. And if we conversely say some with faith have not been healed on earth, this is also true. Everything is not "either or". There is no contradiction and there is no deception in the word of God. This requires discernment and understanding.
You acknowledge God's existence, but you deny that he is Healer and Comforter? God has healed you, and I pray God comforts you also. May God bless you, janesix.No, I don't see God as a healer or comforter. I am not a Christian. I think of God in an entirely different way. The ultimate good, and the source of our creation. I think we are God, and dogs are god, and plants and viruses.
We have to help each other, not depend on God.
"Starving children in Africa" That's all I need to say to you about your God.
Why did your God save my sight, instead of helping one of those starving babies?So when you thought she was a Christian you didnt like her, but now that she claims not to be one, you like her better. Her posts have not changed. She is the same person she always was, so what you seem to be saying is you simply don't like Christians as opposed to not liking what they believe.
He seems to like me, mo and deepes just fine.
Maybe it's you?I'm married to a Christian. Almost all of my friends are Christians. I never said I didn't like her, I've been concerned for her in the past when she didn't seem right just as you attempted to do with Eric, she seems to be thinking so I'm encouraging her. When you start thinking for yourself I'll do the same.
So Deepes and Melissa think for themselves (as well as Michele) but I do not think for myself.
I understand. Thank you for explaining.You do realize when they chastise you for not thinking for yourself what they really mean is how dare you disagree with the conclusions they've accepted from others?
I do realize that, however I'm not really allowed to say it. I think that's why I like you so much, you say the things I'm not allowed to say. I read thru that "Do we matter" thread and was shocked at how awful the opposition was to the OP. When I read your post I was once again struck so grateful that your voice of reason was there to speak something truthful and intelligent.
That's interesting Emile...
Thanks for that brilliant piece of armchair psychology.
A Catholic, two atheists, a mainline Christian and a Unitarian walk into a bar....When she talks, she sounds more like Christ than you do. I'm sorry to say that for so many reasons.
Have you read the things you say to ppl? You get off on wounding. One of the first things I ever heard you say was that you were a self proclaimed *itch. Jesus loved others. He loved the hurting and the wounded. He didn't see how deeply he could bury them. None of us are perfect here. We are wounded and full of flaws and mistakes, are you different? Are you above everyone else, that you would keep wounding? And if you are above us, why would you want to wound? And if you're the same, then why speak down to everyone?
Beth, you hurl insults wrapped in sugar like a float at the Macy's day parade. The only difference between you and I (in that regard) is I'm brave enough to admit to myself what I am. I love others, I just don't like a lot of people. I'm kind, but I'm not nice. If you're bleeding, starving or in trouble, I'll help you. If you want to be given false compliments and told how perfect you are, go somewhere else. Want to point out my flaws? Have at it. I've got plenty of them. You just have no clue what they are.
I don't hurl insults. That's not true at all, but you and this group that your a part of have said it repeatedly. Say it all you want, but for the most part, I try very hard to let the stuff you guys say go by.
Lastly, I do know a lot of your faults. It doesn't matter, why would I them against you? To hurt you? Haven't you been hurt enough? What would I gain from that? Do you think it would make me feel good to attempt to hurt you? I just want you to open your eyes. Sarcasm is one thing, you flat out hurt others for fun.No, I say the truth as I see it if others are hurt, that's their issue. I'm not responsible for everybody's emotional health. I don't feel any need to have to tiptoe around the poor delicate flowers.
And yes, Beth, it IS true. But again, you would never admit that. How you see yourself is not how others see you.My words have fallen on deaf ears, but I tried. I know that you cannot be told your wrong, so I will let it go completely.
I thank you for choosing me two nights in a row. Good night.
Did I choose you last night? You apparently remember more about it than I do. Good night.
Please. I can assure you. There's no resemblance.
But, don't think simply because you feel ganged up on that there is some consensus of value. They like and feed on cross validation. Think your own thoughts and feel good that you are confident to do so.I know you are not a believer Emile, I didn't mean to imply that.
As I've said many times, you speak with reason, you defend those being bullied, and you are right in very much of what you say (in my opinion).Actually, i was simply saying don't compare my attitude to Jesus's. I personally think the more we understand him the more we realize we could never measure up. It's the utmost respect i have which makes me uncomfortable with anyone implying my words would be considered right by him.
And the bartender says, 'What is this? Some kind of a joke?'
And the bartender says: Wow, you all must not agree on anything. I wonder why people keep thinking you share some kind of group mind. It must be them projecting their inability to have conversations with people from other philosophies onto everyone so that they can play the victim.
I laugh at that one all the time.
Sorry, I personally in no way want to upset you. I'm sure you are a fine person. Perhaps I have you confused with another but I believe you admit to following scripture without thought. If I'm wrong about that that I humbly apologies. You also seem to never question any other believers, is there a reason for that. I think we talked about that earlier.
Following scripture without thought? I don't even know how to answer that. lol
So question a believer? Do you mean their salvation? It's not my place... that's between them and God. Melissa says she believes, I just questioned her on her treatment of others. I hope that covered that question?Well let's seeā¦
Melissa, do you think homosexuality is a sin, punishable by God or just something natural?
Beth, same question? Now I want you to think for yourself and not post scripture.How bout this instead. This is a game to you. It's what you do for entertainment. I don't want to be your performing dog. Maybe Melissa doesn't either. I have shared most of my beliefs. If you have forgotten them, google.
You know the answer to that one.
God wouldn't make someone to be a certain way and then punish them for it. At least not any God I would serve.
Edit: Bark.
Thank you. And I am becoming more fond of you and the other atheists that I used to have problems with.
I decided to start looking at the world in a new way, from other people's point of view. I can even see Richard Dawkins has really good points that I totally refused to look at before.
So, God doesn't give comfort. Just like I said.
At least now you're admitting it.
Thank you.janesix - God is ever helping those precious babies in Africa! Healing your eyesight does not get in the way of his help for them. You need not fear asking him for anything, as if it will take away from some other greater thing he will do.
WE are responsible for feeding the children. Let's do something about it right now. You and I, if no one else. Do what you can; I'll do what I can. Now, let's do it. "Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth" (1 John 3:18).Oh my gosh, what a good and meaningful post. I haven't read any of your posts yet, but I hope you keep sharing truth. (And if you're new, welcome.)
Thank you, Beth37, for your encouraging words! May God bless you!
She's not new, she is JCSimonelli using a sock puppet because she was banned, she admits this herself.
And, if you believe her posts and good and meaningful, then you either share her beliefs happy beliefs that God is murdering tens of thousands of innocent children every day, or you just haven't read those posts. If you had an iota of compassion, you would not consider her posts good and meaningful at all, but instead bsfc.
- SirDentposted 11 years ago0
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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