Can unbelievers question God's love for them?

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   SwordofManticorEposted 11 years ago

   After all, the church teaches the unbelievers that God loves them so much that He created a hell for them if they do not accept the gift of His grace, nor love and worship Him all because of their free will.

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      Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sure seems like it would be a strange mental gymnastic maneuver for no gain. But we do see that here. Many get into arguments about the traits and attitude of God even though they deny his  existence. I suppose they can question believers about it, but not God.
      And they can only question the believer about that believers belief not about Gods' attitude.
      No SoM it makes no sense at all.

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         getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         We can't question Santa Claus either, because, like God, he is imaginary.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That's like if a ruthless despot offered the same thing to his followers and they didn't accept, he would create the worst possible torture for them. It's nothing but a threat.
      
      That's why non-believers reject your God.

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         Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         But it's fine because he loves you~ <3 <3 <3

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            SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Will He still love them while they are eternally roasting in horrendous pain?

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               A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               He didn't love them in the first place if He sent them there.

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                  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Sometimes it does seem that this is not the world. That we have the right book but we are in the wrong place already, we just don't know it. ;-)

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                     A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh no, we have the right world, it is the book that is garbage.

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                        Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        The best selling most copied and quoted book of all history is hardly "garbage". In saying this you directly attack my beliefs and faith. Sorry ATM but that crosses a line. Please rephrase.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, it is.
                           
                           
                           
                           Yes, I am attacking your beliefs and faith, that is the entire point. If that upsets you, then you need to learn how to distance yourself from your faith and beliefs in order to discuss them. If you can't, that is a personal problem you'll have to deal with yourself.

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                              Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              That attitude is good for the world to see. I will quote it in the future. And it shall be a great example why not to follow your position.
                              
                              They can chose your hate and anger or not.

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Feel free, it does nothing to support your claims or your book and only serves to demonstrate the intolerance of your religion and what it has taught you.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                   <--- My hate and anger towards your faith and beliefs

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                                 Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Do you see everyone disagreeing you as angry? Because I don't see anger in his words.

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                                    Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    I believe you cannot see it.

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                           Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Directly attacking your beliefs and faith seems to be what these discussions are about.

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                              Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Calling derogatory names of people or books is really what you think these discussions are about? Thank you for that clarification.

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                                 Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 derogatory names of books? Why would that upset you? Did you write it? Would you be equally offended if he called Harry Potter garbage?

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                  SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  @ATM, if what I said were true, I would have to agree with you.

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What's absurd here is that some are agreeing with you! Oh the humanity. Why some can't see through the lies is beyond me. Sounds like the mafia, give me money or I'll hurt you, believe in me or I'll roast you in hell for eternity.

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   Zelkiiroposted 11 years ago

   Depends. How do you feel about my invisible 60-foot-tall komodo dragon who loves you?

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   augustine72posted 11 years ago

   The church does not teach that. It is you people who teach that and then you take a lot of pleasure in mocking something you teach.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Are you accusing me of teaching that God made a place called hell for those who do not believe and mock what I teach? So what does the church teach about hell than?

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   augustine72posted 11 years ago

   Yes I am accusing you. An by you I don't meant only you but most of atheists.
   
   The Church teaches that Hell was made for Satan and his angels. The Church teaches that these forces are at constant work to take us to Hell with them. The Church teaches that they are much more powerful than us and we cannot save ourselves from them and the only one who can do that is Jesus.
   
   Note: By Church I am not referring to any particular denomination that exists today. I mean any church that teaches the Bible truly.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You wrote…" The Church teaches that Hell was made for Satan and his angels"
      God…I will make a hell for satan and his angels.
      Adam sins
      God…Aww, now I have to send most of my creation that I love there too.
      God…Why didn't I see this coming?
      
      Are starting to see the foolishness in your churches  belief system yet?

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Augustine, please read, reread, and reread again what you have written. Then ask you self, "Doesn't all that just sound silly?".

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         Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         When the literalists take metaphors and dreams and declare them as facts, there is harm done. When the pharisees placed man's understanding above that of understanding God there was harm done -- including the crucifixion.

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            Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Believing in fallen angels and an arch fiend of God wanting to drag us all to hell? Yes that sounds very much like man's understanding to me.

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               SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               @DH, but didn't anyone tell you that fear sells?

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