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It is religion which tells us how to spend life in every aspects of life. It has proved each and every thing that the modern science has proved now in 21st century but it has proved that aspects 1400 years before.
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attorney directoryIf Islam is the religion of peace why is this?
http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv2.htmlI once believed that, unfortunately, it now shoves planes through Buildings killing many many innocent people. I have no belief that that was the work of Allah, but rather a Human being.......Islam has become controlled just as Western religion has, it holds back people, whereas it should move them forward.
Islam is most definitely a religion of peace. No true Muslim condones terrorism, violence and murder of innocent men, women and children. A true Muslim does not put down other religions either.
I read some of the comments made about Islam and I was really shocked. I was shocked that all these people who are artistic and eloquent with their writing could be so harsh and ignorant.
I say ignorant because you must truly read an Islamic teaching to understand Islam not watch FoxNews or CNN.
Do not let the people who do perpetrate disgraceful acts give you your opinion of Islam. Talk to a Muslim, read a book, look up Islamic sites. Learn about the religion before you spew hatred.
Those who throw hatred toward an entire religion for what some have done are just as bad because you are spreading the dislike. And nothing good comes from spreading hatred.Well - thanks for the input. Religion = good. People who do not suck up to religion = bad. very eloquent. You join just to tell us how awesome Islam is? Or was there a point here?
I sure as hell do not watch CNN or Fox. I make my decisions based on what people say and do. Not what your TV tells me to thanks.Well I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do. I did not join HubPages to promote Islam. But I let my light shine by just being the best Muslimah I can be. I have opinions, thoughts, and truths about many subjects. You will see this in my writing.
I am who I am and you are who you are. Insha Allah(God willing) we learn from each other. I look forward to reading your hubs and I invite you to read mine. Much luck to you in your endeavors.Well - seeing as you have no hubs yet....... But feel free to read mine. And I am quite happy making my own decisions thank you. But - you go ahead and repeat what you have been told to.
I totally agree that Islam is the religion of Peace and i was reading the 1st page post of this forum and some claimed it to be proved that Islam is the religion of Peace
I have some Own Points to discuss here
1. Every Religion teaches us good things and if any of the follower doesn't obey the religion then who is to be called wrong, the religion or the followers?
2. I'm a Muslim and my religion prohibits me to rape a girl yet i do then who is wrong, me or my religion?
Of course it's my fault because Islam doesn't teach us these things !!!
Here i would say, That Beard is known as Symbol of Muslims, Christ also kept beard and all the other Prophets did so and It to be obeyed by all the Christan, they must keep beard because they are following Christ, but they don't; here if i say the Christianity is not good religion, it would hurt the feelings of Christan and i don't want this to do,
Look Dear, USA is victim country where so much rapes happen (you may get the statistics) who lives in USA, Muslims? who do those rapes? MUSLIMS? Their crime rate is high, who do this?
obviously those who live there - and Their religion stops them to do all these, yet they do, it's their fault not of the religion.
Allah sent Prophets time to time on earth and Muhammad is the Last Prophet of Allah with a Book Qur'an, which not only tell you what to do and what no to do but also tell you how to do ...when to do, what to think, how to live, what you should wear, who you can talk to, when you can talk to them, etc etc.
June 16 2009
A Christian man was stoned to death in Pakistan for drinking tea from a roadside stall designated for Muslims.
According to International Christian Concern (ICC) the man, Ishtiaq Masih, had ordered tea at a stall in Machharkay village, Punjab, Pakistan, after his bus stopped to allow passengers to relieve themselves.
When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served.
Ishtiaq had not noticed the warning sign before ordering his tea, as he ordered with a group of his fellow passengers.
Witnesses claim the owner and 14 of his employees beat Ishtiaq with stones, iron rods and clubs, and stabbed him multiple times with kitchen knives as Ishtiaq pleaded for mercy.
The other bus passengers intervened and took Ishtiaq to the Rural Health Center in the village. Ishtiaq died as a result of spinal, head, and chest injuries. The doctor who took Ishtiaq's case told ICC that Ishtiaq had excessive internal and external bleeding, a fractured skull, and brain injuries.
A correspondent from the ICC confirmed that he saw a warning posted outside the tea stall, which read: "All non-Muslims should introduce their faith prior to ordering tea. This tea stall serves Muslims only."
(The Asian News)
Sorry, what was that comment you made?Lady I am with you on this..... Pakistan has too many fundamentalists... I did rate them as the most dangerous.... you gotta read this http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15421?p … post234449
This report of ICC was not showed in any of the local or international newspapers or news channels and if so please give me the reference. Also Pakistan is not the caliphate-islamic state. It's rulers are Honorary Freemasons.
Secondly, what will you say about Freemasonry and Zionism who is killing and butchering 1000s of innocents world wide, for instance, Paletine, Lebenon, Kashmir, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam (in the past), Japan (past), Kosovo, chechnya, Bosnia ... and the list goes on and on ... what will you say about Atheist White Americans killing Black ones, the last century faced horrific tragedies against BLACKS of USA.dear friend, lets talk about the solution please. you are muslim i respect for that but why are we here marketing our religion. this is why religion got poluted, because the way each of you spread. are every one of you racing with each other in the name of religion. WHY?
Lol - you've been marketing your religion through so many threads here. So - at least be honest about that
dont defend, it will make you weaker, the more you defend the more you weaker will be, let it go, both of you not bad person indeed. how about starts to work on it, how? make others love islam and for that islam must show their love first,
i love you, it does not mean i can allow you put yourself into HELL. I will atleast present you the right way. Then it's your choice to follow or not, no obligation at all.
Have you gone to heaven ? How can you guide others?
Sure he has gone to heaven....in his dreams to enjoy the heavenly virgins...LOL
Of course - he hasn't, but he would like to think that he has!! That thinking of course comes from the arrogance of feeling superior in some way to other human beings - solely based on the relgion that he comes from!!!
Lol - so you want to save us all! I don't see any reason for converting. If I believe in God, I believe in God. I don't see any reason why I should subscribe to what one person's interpretation of God was or is.
I don't see the Quran as anything special or unique. It hasn't imbibed in its followers nonviolence or tolerance of other faiths. It has promoted dictatorial tendencies and regressive methods in parts of the world that have chosen to implement Shariah Law in its "purest form."
it's not implemented in it's purest form. Regarding tolerance, sorry, we can not tolerate so many rapes per day in USA or any other part of the world and we can not forgive them. ONLY DEATH PENALTY for rapists. God forbid, We can not watch you be raped again and againThe purest form = chopping off limbs/heads, stoning women for adultery, etc. Can you deny that? What's your preference - you would like to see implementation of such laws across the Muslim world?
As for "rapes in the USA" - that's a different topic. Maybe you can open another thread to discuss that. As far as I can see, this thread is named "Islam" - so stick to the topic.Perhaps you need to Google some. What's the punishment for adultery in Islam?
1 - When an unmarried man and woman caught in adultery - they get 100 lashes each
Evidence 1: 4 sane persons scrutinized them having sexual intercourse.
Evidence 2: Acknowledgment of both guilty.
Evidence 3: DNA Tests.
2 - When a married man and woman caught in adultery - they get death penalty
Evidence 1: 4 sane persons scrutinized them having sexual intercourse
Evidence 2: Acknowledgment of both guilty.
Evidence 3: DNA Tests
3 - When a rapist rapes a woman - the rapist gets the death penalty not the woman.
Evidence 1: Acknowledgment of the victim only.
Evidence 2: Physical evidence of bodily scar/bruise/mark/damage, torn clothing etc of the victim.
Evidence 3: DNA TestsOuch!! I don't know what to say!!! Btw, are you saying that stoning of married adulterous women does not happen or is not prescribed by the Quran?
@Shil In case you haven't noticed... he keeps copy pasting the same thing.... He feels Allah has drilled a direct pipe into his brain.... Oops.... Usman's mind is closed for anything and everything that doesn't revolve around Freemasons or Zionists...LOL
how can you love me? when even your love for your family is not TRUE and how can you make me believe that you love me when there is no realisation of YOUR TRUE SELF, till you realise the word LOVE never exist within us. PLEASE understand it, i am not get you down. appreciate you
OK Usman. This was all over the news and the source I used above was Asian news. As for your second paragraph, lets not drift from the thread topic which was simply
"Islam is the Religion of Peace".
So, if you say that comment was not shown in any local newspaper, how about this one. I even heard it on the news:
Oct 2008
Female British Aid worker killed ‘because of Religion’
A female British aid worker has been killed by gunmen in Kabul because she was 'spreading Christianity,' it has been confirmed.
Two unidentified hitmen on motorbikes attacked Gayle Williams as she walked alone at 8am, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said.
An FCO spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that a British national was shot dead in Kabul today. Next of kin have been informed."
Metro.co.uk News
May I add that this woman was helping the Country.Dear Lady
who were the motorbikers ??? does any one know ???
If you figure them as Muslims, why can't they be Freemasons as the soldiers of Zionists are also there in Afghanistan.
Moreover, Afghanistan has got no Caliphate - Islamic State or Caliph rather an American Govt. Thoese Americans whose half population is born out of wedlock (illegitimate). For reference please take the following
In April 2009, the National Center for Health Statistics announced that nearly 40 percent of babies born in the United States in 2007 were delivered by unwed mothers. The 1.7 million out-of-wedlock births, out of 4.3 million total births, represented a more than 25 percent jump from five years before.Mmmh. OK Usman. I think I’ll leave it here for now. Thanks for your responses. The world would just be a better and happier place if innocent lives are not cut short in the name of Religion.
A Salaam alei-kun.@LadyE Don't even try reasoning with this guy.... he sees the whole universe infested with Freemasons and Zionists....LOL
Yes Islam is the Best religion in the world. There has always been the concept of black sheep. So there aRE SOME BLACK SHEEP in the Islamic countries but not all muslims are wrong and they dont want to blow them up. those people whichdo this are being misguided about Islam.
Islam Is the Best Religion.
It is religion which tells us how to spend life in every aspects of life.
It has proved each and every thing that the modern science has proved now in 21st century but it has proved that aspects 1400 years before.
It has given the rights of women but other religion they dont give as such rights for them which islam gives them ,specially in the 19th centuy they have not given the right of vote in the 17th century they have not the authority to touch the Holy bookDo you have any idea how stupid you sound saying islam is a religion of peace and then picking a fight with all the other religionists?
The sooner we get your religion back in the bronze ages where it belongs, the better.there is no fight with others; why do u think if someone say christianity or islam.. religion of peace would bring fight; any religion should bring peace inside yourself and others; and this is so clear.
and also for your knowledge muslems believe in all books ( Torah, bible , Quran) came from one God within different stages; and because islam it's the last stage in God messages; and that's the reason many believers from jews and christian enter islam happy because they understood the messages.
if you believe in God, and you were jews believe in moses and torah; then, if you deny jesus and bible; God-the father- will never accept youbecause you deny God message.
and also if you are christian you belive in jesus and bible; then, you hear about Muhammad and the last book from God-Quran- and you deny it; God will not accept you.
islam just name equal the meaning of christianity; only because islam the last stage of God messages and islam present all of them.
but For God wisdom you believe or not- it's your choice no body will choose for you; and no body to blame except you-..
in the end ; i ask God to guide us to His right way all of you my brothers...And I say the Torah Quoran and the bible all worship an abhorant, by-polar and hysterical sociopathic entity who scares the bloody daylights out of god-botherers who were indoctrinated at an early age, then bought up listening to this crap.
Mark does have a point, your religion does have more extremist than any other religion. I would say if any religion is peaceful it is Buddhism or such.
I just wrote a hub on the terrorism that comes forth from Islam. Your holy book does state a jihad or holy war against all infidels..and that would be me since i don't agree with your religion.
I am not saying all muslims are violent...just your extremists and those who support extremists.Dear Jew!
Qur'an does not state any holy war against infidels, it's your misconception which you got from international media. Jihad means to strive and struggle, it does not mean HOLY WAR. On the other hand, In some books of the Old Testament (for example, Joshua) commandments are given to commit horrible violence against non-Jewish peoples. Mass murder is commanded, with no regard for women, children or the elderly. This merciless savagery is totally against God's justice. Take for instance, the black history of CRUSADERS. Also the hisotory of SALAH UDIN AYUBI who when entered Jerusalam pardoned each and every non muslsim whether Jews or Christians and let them with the fair choice of stay in peace or leave in peace.That also is a misconception God only required the complete annihilation of the race after they tried to destroy Israel. For example, they did not kill a pregnant woman once but had mercy on her. Later in life her child grew to hate israel and seek its destruction. If not for Esther asking the king of persia to spare the lives of the jews, they would have been killed. It was for this reason God had commanded it.
Yes, I do remember the black history of the crusade...but it is not commanded once in our bible to do that...it was wrong but history cannot be changed...only the future can be changed.
Extremist factions of Islam declare that Qu'ran state they must die in the name of allah to go to heaven killing an infidel...I don't know if the Qu'ran states this or not, but i do know this is what the extreme factions are saying. I having nothing against peaceful Islam. I had many friends in Israel who were Muslim. But I do not agree at all with such groups as Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, etc.You see when Muslim governments are not doing their job to resist Israeli unjust invasion then these kind of groups develped to fill up the gape. Have a look at the maps of Israel in 1948 and now in 2009, it will become crystal clear how the Jews illegally captured Palestine despite the fact these Jews were welcomed by Muslims as guests in 1947 after being kicked out by Hitler. So, now what these guests did to the innocents of Palestine and their territory, the judgment is completely yours now.
may be because muslim countries are oppressed very much either by western leaders or by their friends (local leaders)
there is no problem with making Jihad aginst those who fight Muslims to change thier ideals or take their wealth
don't you think ?
altough , most wetern people are nice but there are also many have been fooled by the leaders to engage in what called good wars.
very obvious ?Very obvious. And one of the tools they use is religion.
so , is there anything in Quran encourges Muslims to kill people just because they are infidels according to Islam ?
(by the way I am an infidel too according to other religions , it is not a bad word)To be honest - I do not know the book that well. There are certainly muslimists who think it does.
And I am an infidel according to all religions except FSMism.or may be they don't understand what in it
so do you pray in the kitchen for the great FSM or enjoying his sons is enough to be gratefulNo - It Is Written That We Must Toast Him With Red Wine.
No question. Oddly enough He Commands all the same things I agree with. Strange how Perfect His Noodlyness is. And of course, He Came after all the other minor religions to Unite Mankind in Friendship and Pasta.
Ramen
Where is the famous christian acceptance and brotherhood?
You are kidding right? Did you just join HubPages to propagate this. If so, stay on and try and prove all that you are saying with FACTS. Also, try and explain what is going on in the SWAT area of Pakistan, where the Taliban have gone on a school-buring spree. IMHO, I don't see Islam evolving - only regressing with time. It seems the followers just want to follow the Book that was written 1400 years before. Apparently, Islam can't be adapted to modern times. So, we have Shariah Law being asked for by the Taliban and being grated by the Pakistani Govt in Pakistan. Kinda gives you an idea of where Islam is headed.
name one law in Shariah prevents modern life evolution
you would say; some muslims
show me where it says in Islam to do soThese SWAT talibans are mercenaries, we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing. These are enough evidence that these people are bought by Zionists and are misused for maligning Islam. Further the weapons which they use are totally Russian and Indian made.
I don't know if its an error or anything. Frankly, I wouldn't care less, and I'm not making fun of anyone either. I just like the phrase...spend life in every aspects of life.
It means it can be spent on killing, butchering, rapeing, sex, loot, raid, plunder, gamble, drink, decieve ..................
If islam is the religion of peace, why do all the islam church members love to blow themselves and other people up? Huh? It is definitely NOT the religion of "peace". Christianity is!
--JohnWell hey! It's my good buddy oh boy everybody. Did you go back an eat your words yet? Do I hear an apology?
John, You have a complete misconception of Islam and I am Christian you need to study World Religions and study the Ka'ran as that is not true. Christianity is a branch of religion and Jesus was originally a Jew , who became Christianities Lord and Saviour. True Christians would not blasphemy other religions when you are holding your head high as a Christian you have to ask yourself WWJD? Can you lead others to Christ by acting the way you do? Christianity is not the religion of Peace either as look at what you are doing you are yelling, shame on you.
And I dont mean to yell. Im not actually yelling. Im typing like im yelling but im not yelling. I dont even mean to yell. Well, type like i am yelling.
John- I can't even get a retraction from you? Whats your deal? Too immature? Or are you really that dumb?
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Hmm, I dont know. I guess we just like to post on the same forum topics. Something wrong? Immature? How???John, Be nice WWJD???
you do owe her an apology, that would be the right thing to do.
Of course, if i am doing something wrong, then obviously it's not the fault of the religion. Consider, someone gets a latest BMW and he/she can not drive and sits on the driving seat and just bangs up the car. Now, who will be blamed. The car or the driver. If you want to test Islam then judge it by the best person who is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
C'mon let's get real and admit that he's right
oh.. people; there is a big difference between religion, and some people express themselves under pressure; may be you are christian but you could kill yourself or kill others as you see every day story about christian man killed his own family and others, and he is a christian; so, Is this christian man and others presented christianity?!; for sure no...
oh people understand islam forst without ignorance...
again; oh.. people; there is a big difference between religion, and some people express themselves under pressure; may be you are christian but you could kill yourself or kill others as you see every day story about christian man killed his own family and others, and he is a christian; so, Is this christian man and others presented christianity?!; for sure no...
oh people understand islam forst without ignorance...The ones who blow themselves up are name sake muslims, acting as mercenaries, constantly fed by Zionists. Look around it's happening all over the world, Sudan, Pakistan, SriLanka, Palestine. They use to buy these kind of people from both sides, government and non - government (rebells / taliban etc) and make them fight, spread terror and demoralize Islam or any other system which itches their beloved systems of capitalism, zionism, freemasonary etc.
dear Islam is the religion of peace. what you are saying is not the way of Islam but different reasons are behind that, those may be psychological, economical or racial etc.I'm a hindu by religion but I have a belief and faith On Islam because Islam gives Complete and better solution to our life as well as hereafter.
Better for who? I feel confident in saying not many muslims follow the idea of blowing anything up. It is those who insist that others follow their doctrine who are to blame on all sides of the argument including self proclaimed christians and others as well who are indoctrinated with hatred and fear.
Islam is a great religion. But so is Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jewism et al. What is your point anyway?
You have a point.
Sadly, the majority of the Western wall has a bad view of Islam because of only a small number of them.
I know some people who are Islamic, none of them want to blow themselves up. It's the extremists we need to worry about, and of course we do. Due to the media, we fear the man on the train with the rucksack, if he is of a certain ethnic persuasion.
Personally, I believe that one of the largest and most successful terrorist groups in the world, is the media. The definition of a terrorist
"a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells"
Hmm, kind of sums up the media. If they stopped making everything sound so "Hollywood" and stopped making it seem like it's much worse than it actually is, then it might quieten down the extremists.
Sadly, the only thing that's likely to stop all of this, is a couple of 20 megaton Nukes served up about 5am."Western wall has a bad view of Islam because of only a small number of them"?
The Truth is the extremist are not true Muslim but are brain washed Muslim who think they are acting in the name of Ala. The 99.9999999999% of Muslim are good law abiding citizens and not a threat to society.
You know, I have a question. I am a Christian and when come across Christians in my personal life who try to oppress other people I will say something about it. So do Muslims who are against violence know other Muslims who are for violence? And if so, what do they do about it? I always wondered about that? Because I know 2 Muslim people who are great ambassadors for their culture and I feel really bad for them because of the rep their religion has. If I needed it they would give me the shirt off their back. So I always wondered about this.
I am really coming to the conclusion that it was neither them, or Christians or any other religion that put enmity between us, but more like a snake who puts words in to confuse and set people against each other.
I know some Muslims too and I went to a Mosque and just asked them myself. She women there said, (and she was very kind and lovey person) something to the effect of, now they aren't really of God are they?
It actually blew my mind. I was thinking doyee, how did I miss that one. The most obvious answer. I also asked her why Muslims are fighting Christians. She said, no what they do is what they do but for us in Islam, it means peace and we love Jesus.
Then she asked me if believe Jesus is God. I said no, she said do you believe Jesus is the son of God. I said sure, that is what they call him. And she said, no God does not have a son but Jesus is a prophet.
I said ok, doesn't bother me none, then I asked why they are fighting over that. She said they are not. But some people want to make you think that they are.
I also asked her, if we are all God's Children then how come Jesus cannot be the son of God. And she said, when you put it that way, then yes he is but this isn't something that people understand.
- and of course there was a lot more to understand about it but it's for me to say-Agreed. I'll be back in a few hours. We could chat. ciao
please sandra!
dont make confussions. Son or sons of God refers to the phenomenon which directs towards the affection and love between the relationship of a father and son. Son or Sons of God does not refer to be begotted son or sons of God. Ask any christian pope, he will also give you this theme for the father and son/sons mentioned in Bibles. Hope you are getting the points in my replies.
Any given religion has extreme people, Christians had David Koresh the muslims have the radical imams that propagate bombs to get their point across. You cannot condemn all muslims based on the actions of a few. Their Koran does advocate killing unbelievers in a couple of verses that the radicals base their whole philosophy on. They get adherents because they are much more active in their communities than others. The loudest voice gets heard not necesarily the right voice. Non radical muslims just live their lives like anyone else Muslim does not mean suicide bomber. Radical muslim can mean suicide bomber but we must know there is a difference. We don't have to approve of thier religion but we have to not condemn all muslims based on the actions of the radicals. The Christian bible says judge not and you will not be judged, it also says the measuer you use will be used against you. Christ will hold us accountable for everything we say and do that does not line up with His will. Yes, this includes hating other religions. We are not called to hate them.
Sorry, your info is very unrealistic.
The 9/11 tragedy caused the growth of Islam in America to accelerate greatly. One of the clearest indications of this is that after the attacks, the Qur'an became the best-selling book in many states for a long time. American interest in the Qur'an increased to such an extent that Penguin Books, one of the best-known publishers of the Qur'an in English, reported that it had printed 20,000 extra copies after 9/11.54
USA Today reported on this intense interest in "People Want to Know, so Koran is Bestseller," saying that sales of the Qur'an had increased by five times.55
For more detailed authentic references, please click on the following
http://www.riseofislam.com/islam_in_america_06.htmlHey I like this comment very much..... I like your name and avatar, I am going to be your fan,.... do you like Cat Stevens..
Every religion was great and were for the people of their respective times. Islam is the last and final religion rather a complete way of life for the whole of human kind.
Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, almost all the religions teach to follow only ONE God - ALLAH but their followers DONT. All these religions prophecised the comming of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last and final messenger from Allah and instructed to follow him but their followers DONT. So it's the duty of a Muslim to inform them, next, it's their choice. Nobody can force you.
i dont think that islam is a religion of peace. THOSE MUSLIM people must prove to all that they are true muslim by there deeds..
The criteria for judging Islam is not Muslims. It's Qur'an and the last and final messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
I haven't seen many but here's an Islamic web site that denounces terrorism.
http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/ … alism.html
Not many know that tens of thousands, both Muslims and Christians witnessed sightings of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Cairo, Egypt in the 1960s.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/vmary.htm
I very much like the similarities between Islam and Christianity. Muslims recognize the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, they give reverence to Jesus and Mary, they believe the antichrist (they call it the dajjal) has to come before Jesus returns to do away with the antichrist and a lot of other similarities. What I don't get about Islam is the fact that they do believe that Jesus will return and do away with the antichrist to make everything perfect, but they believe Jesus is just a prophet and not God. No other prophet has done anything similar. That is quite the job for just a prophet, isn't it?
MikeSomeone explained it to me this way... because God (Allah) is above All. or like Jesus said, "A pupil is not above his teacher, but everyone that is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher.
So while they revere Mohammad as the last ( I believe) prophet, it is not fair or right to place one above the other because God is Above all and no one, even in perfection is better than the other.
Though I may have it wrong so maybe someone from the Islamic faith can come and explain it better for us. Eng M. maybe? Where you at Eng.M?I like what you said here Sandra and is very much part of my faith where none of the prophets is better than the other. In fact none of the prophets ever denigrated another. They come at a different time and place, but always from the same source, with the same inherent principles like the Golden Rule which is present in every religion, but with different social teachings that reflect the needs of the day as part of an ongoing progressive revelation. We might call it Monday, Tuesday, Wed etc but its the light from the same Sun.
So correct-The Prophets are One
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The stages of life are man then God -man or prophet and then God-when man no longer exists.Yes, light from the same sun but light consists of rays and different type of rays (in terms of their intensity and reach) for different times and differnt people. The last ray is ISLAM which is for the last group of people until the end of universe. Islam confirms and respects all the previous Prophets and their respective revelations. All of those prophets and revelations prophecised about the coming of the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and instructed to follow him. Even hinduism has got this information. So, please go back to your scriptures and read them in context. I will try to give the direct references if someone wants.
My dear!
Allah is the greatest. All are equal in the eyes of God. I am glad you are getting the stuff.And what does Allah say about homosexuals?
The act is forbidden or the person who is homosexual is forbidden?
No it doesn't. If you mean homosexual persons are unwelcome then why not say so?
And presumably this is what you mean when you say "love."?
What does the word "love" mean? Same as unwelcome and forbidden?
I see you have now dropped your other persona in favor of this one. Why?
Dear Make!
Your question is absolutly valid and relevent. You are just one click away to find out your answer. If you have time then click on http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH
But Sandra there is lots of proof in the Bible that Jesus is God though. Not just from His apostles but from Jesus Himself. In John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one."
It would be nice to see us come together.
Yeah I wouldn't mind getting Eng M. to answer my question. I'll post it again.
What I don't get about Islam is the fact that they do believe that Jesus will return and do away with the antichrist (dajjal) to make everything perfect, but they believe Jesus is just a prophet and not God. No other prophet has done anything similar. That is quite the job for just a prophet, isn't it?
MikeBut in this passage Jesus is not saying he is God, but rather that he is of God's equal in heaven, by his grace and that he, Christ's rite of passage comes about his duty to forgiveness.
Mike not remembering where this quote is isn't there also a reference to Jesus saying that He also comes from God. We often take one thing in isolation but its the complete revelation of the prophets, the indicators of their station and the transformations they brought to the world that are the 'fruits' we should examine. Mohammed for example infused huge developments in mathematics and was responsible for many advancements. Prophets have been characterised by their innate knowledge and their ability to transform hearts which is why there are huge numbers of followers of the major religions (not the denominations per se). If people don't recognise the prophet, or follow His teachings -I'm talking in general- its not the fault of the prophet but our own inability to examine without judgement and with clear eyes, yeh?
These Zionists (not ordianry christians, jews or hindus) have vanished the whole history from their text books which deals with the contributions of Muslims in the field of science specially when europe was indulged in its DARK AGES. Please refer to the following infamous web site
DISCOVER THE 1000 YEARS OF MISSING HISTORY
http://www.muslimheritage.com
I certainly understand Jesus said this but these are my thoughts on my acceptance of Christ as god but not God. Either way I really want us to come together as well.
http://thanksgod.org/?page_id=2Jesus is Mohammad----- Mohammad is Jesus= Buddha, Zaratushtra,Krishna, Mahavira, Guru Nanak.
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I respectfully disagree. I don't know what I believe to be the truth, but this doesn't seem reasonable. Too broad perhaps.Its is the truth all humans should understand-its high time these foolish wars in the name of One god stops.
No Sir
Jesus (pbuh) = Jesus (pbuh)
Muhammad (pbuh) = Muhammad (pbuh)
The prophets came one after another as successors.
Every thing is not God
Every thing is God's, He is the creator, the ultimate one.
He created humans, the ultimate machine (creation) from God and Prophets are specially appointed personel for delivering the message of God to others and give them guidance
John 10:30, I and the Father are one.
For context,
You have to go to the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10,
Verse No. 23, that ‘Jesus walked into the temple, in Solomon’s porch’.
Verse No. 24 says, and the Jews came around him and asked him. ‘How long does thou make us doubt? - If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly’.
Verse No.25 says, ‘I told you, but you believe me not - the works that I do in my father’s name, - they bear witness of me. Verse No.26 says that, ‘you believe not because you are not my sheep, as I said unto you’. The Jews, they are asking Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) that ‘Why don’t you speak plainly?’. So he tells them that…‘Yes I am the Messiah - I have told you clearly, but because you are not my sheep, you don’t believe in me.
Verse No.27 continues…Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) continues saying that… ‘My sheep - they hear my voice, and I know them - and they follow me.
Verse No.28, that… ‘I give them eternal life - no man can pluck them out of my hand, and they shall not perish’.
Verse No.29 says ‘My father who giveth to me, He is greater than all - No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand. Then
Verse No. 30 says, ‘I and my father are one’ – ‘Any person who has little bit sense can make out, ‘I and my father are one’ doesn’t mean one - as one person. It means one is purpose.
Verse No.28 says, ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand – Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) says- ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand’.
Verse No.29 is saying. ‘No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand’.
Verse No.30 says ‘I and my father are one’ -In purpose. Both Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and Almighty God - they are one in purpose.
If I say that my father is an Engineer - Even I am an Engineer. If I say, ‘I and my father are one’ - What does it mean? It means one in purpose - As Engineering profession, my father is an Engineer - Even I am an Engineer. It doesn’t mean that ‘I and my father are one’ -In person. It means my father is an Engineer - even I am an Engineer.
So, God and Jesus(pbuh) were one in profession, not one in person.
No RKHenry Jesus is clearly saying He is God in John 10:30. John 1:1, Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22 are just some verses that speak of the Divinity of Jesus and the whole chapter of John 14 talks about the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 says "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
You got me. I'm not familiar with those verses. I am just familiar with what my parents always said. I don't think they were bible readers either. Who knows where they got the crazy idea that Christ was the son of God and not God himself.
Confused. But hey thanks.I think what is best for us to be together and worlds apart is to start looking for all the things that are good. To start focusing on the good instead of looking to snuff out what is bad because by looking for what is good, we are snuffing out what is bad.
I think we can already see what is bad and that it has been there so long and in some ways we have become acclimated to looking for those things to, I guess, protect ourselves from it and all along we have been against each other who are for the same.
It doesn't make sense. Like what Jesus said about pulling the straw from your brothers eyes when you have a rafter in your own eye.
I came to the conclusion that the "rafter" in my own eye is that for every straw drawn from another is yet another in my own. I don't have just one straw in my eye but I have many that I can see in my brothers. So when I see it in my brothers I need only to remove it from myself.
And I believe it is a continual process. I believe I will always be a seeker and I will find many things and I will understand many things but when it comes to the last straw the only one who can remove this from my eye is God.
Because, what you cannot see in me, I also cannot see in myself. I hope this makes some sense.
So why did Jesus when he was on the cross say" why have you forsaken me? "
Everything is God-this entire cosmos is God-Jesus understood himself and so he made the statement that he is the son of God or he is God.
The little finger is part of the body,the same way is man part of the cosmos or gods body.
Like Hindus have On Namo Shiva- I bow to god
Shiv ho hum- I am God.Please correct your understanding related to Hindism books. Refer to the following for One God who has got no image, no partner (world, universe etc)
Ekam evaditiyam
“He is One only without a second” - Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1
Na casya kasuj janita na cadhipah
“Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord” - Svetasavatara Upanishad 6,9 part II page 263
Na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him - Yajurved 32:3
Ma chidanyadvi shansata
“O friends, do not worship any body but Him, the Divine One. - Rigveda Book 8:1:1Do understand Hindu philosophy has both concepts.The Muslim concept that even the prophet cannot be compared to god and the Christian concept where the prophet is equated with god.Both are correct
Om namo shiva -I bow to god and Shiv ho hum- I am god are both true.
All is Allah so you and everything are a part of him.The essence pervades everything.Please read the verses you mentioned in context, then you will realize what does it actually mean. There is a hell of difference between God (Caps G) and god (small g).
I am a knower of god or Allah.I write on him as he has instructed me to,the very purpose I am here on this planet right now, to spread his message
And what is the difference for you as I don't see any difference.
I guess I addressed what you said in my previous post Lifebydesign (nice name by the way). See Lifebydesign there is just way too much proof in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments for a Christian to not recognize Jesus as God.
Maybe Eng M. will try to answer my question.
I've tried many times to get an answer to my question from a Muslim but I don't believe I have got one yet.happy days to you
makemany , Sandra and all the others
I hope I could answer your question Makemoney about why we think Jesus is just a prophet, yet he is still alive and would come in the end of days to kill the antichrist
First, muslims don't differentiate between any prophet
we have to believe on all of them as equal prophets sent by God
God says:
(The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys ) 2:285
Quran
YUSUFALI translation
But, each prophet was better than others in some area and so all humans
ex: some people have special skills and other people have others.
Moses had many miracels and was a very strong man
Jesus was very nice ,soft and a man with special capabilities like bringing some dead to life
Suliman could deal with jins and control them
and Mohammed had the Quran ,the preserved book on earth
In addition to Jesus abilities, God has given him miraculous birth and death to test people in some way
his death comes after thousands of years fom his born which was a miracle in itsself
So, God is capable of doing everything
he has many characteristics described by his 99 names and his characteristics appear in his actions
thanxThanks Eng.M
My next question was going to be "but why will it be Jesus that kills the antichrist and not Moses, Isaiah, Jeremias, Daniel or even Mohamed?" But it looks like you have already answered that by saying "each prophet was better than others in some area."
Belief in the divinity of Jesus and in the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is a fundamental belief of all Christians.
So it looks like we are at an impasse as to coming together as one for the time being.
But we can continue to try to foster an open dialogue and peace.
Thanks again Eng.M
MikeMake Money how do you know that it won't be Muhammed? The bible? Do you have any other resource other than that? Curious.
Yeah from the Bible but also from Muslims RKHenry. See, that was the reason for my original question. Muslims also believe that Jesus will return to do away with the antichrist. I think it's pretty cool that both Muslims and Christians believe that.
Also, he is making this role because God knows there will be a big controversy at the end of days about who really Jesus was ?
there is one prayer in Islam says:
thanks God who didn't have a son
you know why ? because I don't know either
may be because that will confuse us and let many enities control us
what you think ?
we don't need to
we need to learn from each other
all the time, with love
No
thank you MakeMoneyYour question is again very valid.
Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) is alive and was not killed.
The three major misconceptions which we see around in the Christian world, Jesus (pbuh)’s death, his claim to be God and the concept of TRINITY, were merely developed by the Christian elders and due to this very reason Jesus (pbuh) will return to earth before the end of time for proving them to be wrong and killing the Antichrist (Dajjal) for the peace to prevail on earth. Jesus (pbuh) is the only messenger of Allah from the total of 124 thousand messengers in the history of mankind, whose followers, majority of them consider him to be divine, the begotten son of God and was killed by Jews on the cross ruthlessly. All these type of things, attributed to Jesus (pbuh) are unique in the sense because none of the other messengers of Allah faced these types of allegations which the Christians attribute to Jesus Christ (pbuh). His return is also mentioned in Bible without any doubt.
Do you know, when Jesus (pbuh) will return, these popes, priests and missionaries will approach him and say
Bible - " Oh master, oh master, did'nt we do miracles on your name ..... Jesus (pbuh) replies ..... oh men of inequity depart from here, i do not even know you".
This will be the statement of Jesus (pbuh) to christians and that's the main reason of his return to earth, to prove to the christians that he never claimed divinity or trinity and he was not dead. Look at the irony, the word TRINITY which these popes cry about does not exists in the complete range and flavours of Bibles, the old and the new testaments alike.
For other detailes please click on http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH
Sandra asked this question and I have answered it for her- make money can look it up.
Makemoney
believe me , I read the holy bibel and I found that Jesus didn't say 'I am God' or 'worship me'
they were all interpretations made after his death by the monks
he could be his son as we are his sons
but he is one of the best sons
(if son means that God has crated us from him)
is it from perfection of God to have a son as we have sons?
does he need to show us his love this way? aren't there other ways ?
God says:
(Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. ) 112
Quran
YUSUFALI translation
There is no God but the one who gave everything
regardsYes but they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. They think He was just a prophet. Muslims show reverence to both Jesus and Mary, which is also cool I think.
How do you feel about the fact that Christ was both? Is that a possibility? If not why?
I like this - both. Why does it have to be 'either/or' it can be 'and' in some instances.
I've always thought divinity was related to being a prophet? Baha'is by the way believe in the divine station of all the prophets - or Manifestations of God as we call them.
I still don't understand why can't Christ be both.
You mean man and Prophet? He can, and from what I remember he alludes to it Himself.
Absolutely.
In fact Moses if I remember correctly was the 'Friend' of God. It is a progressive revelation after all. [As an aside: we go to the next class of school with a different teacher, but that doesn't mean we say the one before was wrong or ignorant, or couldn't teach us about more advanced things. They teach us what is relevant for the social and spiritual needs of the time that they appear and to our capacity to get it. Not that we always do, or want to ]
Where ever I go, I cant escape you, can I RK? LOL
AEvans, your right. I apologize. But Islam is not the religion of peace, everyone knows that. Thats all Ill say! lolI was actually just thinking that Misha. RKHenry, are you a guy or a girl? lol
- Leta Sposted 16 years ago
0I would respectfully disagree with you, RK,
These figures are all symbols of the enlightened human being/God throughout various cultures. It is a universal mythos I believe he is suggesting. Broad enough for me to be able to handle it--if you know what I'm saying.Yeah, and I'm happy for you. But still its too broad for me. I wish somebody would of thought to ask me why. Maybe then the problem could've been address. I don't know, but food for thought. I did leave an open ended statement. I was looking for answers not rebuttals. Respectfully speaking.
Rosa Parks isn't Ghandi and Ghandi wasn't Rosa Parks, but they still wanted the same thing. That's what I'm saying. They were different men for a reason. To pretend to know that reason is something different.And Lita was looking for a spiced up intellectual flirt. Adjust accordingly
Now, Misha! Don't be jealous! That's bad.
RK--Ignore Misha, please. He really doesn't know what he's saying half the time,
So, OK, open ended. What do you think? (It really wasn't a rebuttal. Just my thoughts.)
I think that there can be universals with cultural specifics--especially in regard to these 'enlightened being/ Christ figures.' Rosa & Ghandi I see as a bit different...Lita Girl, you crack me up.
When you say "universals"- do you mean universal meaning? Principles? Ideas? Beliefs?All of the above. Can be found in almost any realm--a la Joseph Campbell, idea of "Mythos," if you have read him.
I didn't read the beginning of this thread, so... I see now your question about Christ being both God and Prophet. And really see no reason why not. I would view that as transcendence in stages....and perhaps we all are doing that.
I do think mohitmisra makes a lot of sense. Concerning religion, I personally do not like a lot of specifics or organization, either--this is what all that Old World fighting and killing was/is about, in my eyes. Some, like Mark Knowles, would say get rid of God all together. I'd say, people--stop being so stupid and by all means practice a measure of decency and tolerance all around.
They taught exactly the same thing.Here the essence is the same in all of them.
- taught the same thing, that does not mean i am you and you are me.
Here in this dimension we split up but we come from the one and will always be one. You are me and I am you. All is me from my view point.One.
"Nothing really belongs to me,
At the same time all is mine as far as I can see "I read this somewhere...you are God in the form of (mohitmisra, in this case) and I am the same God in the form of Capable Woman.
We are the same God in different forms... I dunno, I find this quite beautiful and it helps me empathize with others.Happy you can relate with this truth you are indeed a goddess.
But dear, what about the verses from veda which directs Hindus to worship only ONE God and do not add partners, images or idols to Him. Have a look at the following
Ekam evaditiyam
“He is One only without a second” - Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1
Na casya kasuj janita na cadhipah
“Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord” - Svetasavatara Upanishad 6,9 part II page 263
Na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him - Yajurved 32:3
Ma chidanyadvi shansata
“O friends, do not worship any body but Him, the Divine One. - Rigveda Book 8:1:1
Also Hinduism have prophesized about the Qur’an and Muhammad (pbuh) and instructed to follow Muhammad (pbuh) when you find him or become aware of him.You are only looking at on part of the philosophy as it matches the Muslim philosophy.if you read more you will understand more .
Aham Bhramasmi-- I am Brahma, Om Namo Shiva- I am Shiva exist i Hindu philosphy.
Tat Tvam Asi -"Thou art that," "That thou art," or "You are that,"
An idol is a physical manifestation of the divine and its okay to start with it but one needs to go beyond to the formless.
The Hindus also believe Muhammad is not the last prophet .The last prophet will be born into a bhramin family, will write and unite the religions.
Age of Aquarius will witness a great prophet from the east has been prophecised. - that means NOW.And apart from yourself, Mohit, who do you think might be the One?
hhmmm, so you want to say that Hinduism consists of two philosophies. One is concerned with One God, the creator of all things and the other is One God, comprising in himself all the things which we see around??? And it's a choice in Hinduism to follow any of the two???
Comming to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) issue. Please refer to the following which clearly prophecise Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
a)Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 5-8
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee, ‘Oye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.”
b) Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 10-27
c) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 127, Verses 1-113 (kuntap sukla)
d) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 6
e) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 7
f) Samveda, Book 2, Hymn 6, Verse 8hhmmm, so you want to say that Hinduism consists of two philosophies. One is concerned with One God, the creator of all things and the other is One God, comprising in himself all the things which we see around??? And it's a choice in Hinduism to follow any of the two???
Both these philosophies are correct.Be open minded.
If you contradict the second part then you are saying ,
all is not Allah.
I never said Muhammad is not a great prophet ,he is very, very great.What I am saying is Jesus is equally great and Islam is not greater than Christianity because of the difference in philosophy.They had exactly the same message of oneness and love to humanity from God.
Prophet Muhammad- "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam" meaning “To your be your religion, to me be mine.”
He taught tolerance between religions and never said his was the true and greatest religion which some Muslims do today.Some foolish Christians also say Jesus is the greatest and this ego only leads to stupid wars which needs to stop.I need to add its a pleasure debating with you.
Dear Mohit, you are a very logical person, i like your style.
Now, i want to say something about this greatness issue which you explained. You see when some muslims compare a prophet with another, they do not do it on the basis of their personalities, physical strengths or miracles as the missionaries do rather the comparison is on the overall achievements of the delivered message, the final goals and their effects. In the same way, certain well known non muslim historians have done the same job and put Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) number ONE like The Hundred by Michael H. Hart. http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT Here, if you ponder, famous non muslim professionals praising a being, implies that there is something very special in it. Imagine, non-muslims, doing research and writing books to remove the misconceptions related to Allah, Muhammad (pbuh) and Islam, those misconceptions which are immensly created by Zionits on daily basis as they only fear ISLAM to be the only remaining ideology which can remove their evil machinations to rule the world with one eyed Antichrist-Dajjal and under the new world order against which laymen of the world over specially europians and americans have staged a large number of protests and are staunch opposers to this evil system.
In addition, i agree that Islam, christianity, hinduism and others are great religions but the greatest of them, if someone calls Islam to be the greatest way of life bears a valid reason and the foremost is that God who gave religions to His people is the same in all religions THE ONE GOD. He Himself told his followers in several scriptures that there will be a final great Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and a final great word Qur'an for you to come. Who so ever finds it, starts following it. Now, tell me what's the big deal in that. Take for instance, the medical books which are great as a whole but the latest addition of any authentic medical book outdates the previous one, now here in this case, if there does arise any problem then why is it for QUR'AN??? Why there are double standards???
At last, i never claimed any superiority or close mindedness You informed me that there is nothing in Hinduism which is related to Muhammad (pbuh), in response, my job was to agree with you BUT the problem is that there are some verses in hindu scriptures which deals with this subject and i simply quoted them, you can check it up. Now, after getting the evidence, you agree with it or not, it's totally up to you, neither i am forcing you nor will i kill you . RELAXDear usmanali81 I enjoy debating with scholars
Hinduism believes in a few maha avatars or prophets and amongst them are Jesus and Muhammad who are also know as avatars of Vishnu.Some texts say there will be one more and some there will be two more avatars.
Now, after getting the evidence, you agree with it or not, it's totally up to you, neither i am forcing you nor will i kill you. RELAX neither am I or will I
Like I said before the Buddhists expect the return of Buddha, Christians the return of Christ, some Muslims the Mahdi, Parsee the twins, Hindus the Vishnu avatar.This will be the tenth and final maha avatar.
Here, if you ponder, famous non muslim professionals praising a being, implies that there is something very special in it. Imagine, non-muslims, doing research and writing books to remove .
I am half a Hindu and half Parsee meaning part of my ancestors were from Iran.I praise all the prophets
Praised all religions in my book.
“BEHOLD BUT ONE IN ALL THINGS: IT IS THE
SECOND THAT LEADS YOU ASTRAY”
SANT KABIR
“I AM THY SHIELD AND THY EXCEEDINGLY
GREAT REWARD”
THE HOLY BIBLE
“THE FIRST LAW OF DYNAMICS:
ENERGY CAN NEITHER BE CREATED NOR BE DESTROYED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ENERGY, THAT THING
WHICH ANIMATES THE BODY, AT THE TIME OF DEATH?
WHEN WE FINALLY COME TO OUR SENSES, KRISHNA SAYS
WE NEVER RETURN TO THIS MATERIAL WORLD, THIS
PAINFUL PLAYGROUND WE MISTAKENLY CALL HOME”
THE HOLY BHAGWAT GITA
“UNTO ALLAH IS YOUR RETURN AND
HE IS ABLE TO DO ALL THINGS”
THE HOLY QURAN
Take for instance, the medical books which are great as a whole but the latest addition of any authentic medical book outdates the previous one, now here in this case, if there does arise any problem then why is it for QUR'AN??? Why there are double standards???
My book Ponder Awhile is ranked over The Holy Quran on Franklin but that doesn't make me the greater prophet. Like I said before god sends the prophets when this earth is in a mess and he spreads god knowledge in the language of that time.The Essence is the same right from Zarathustra the first recorded prophet or from the Holy hindu texts like the Vedas which you quoted earlier one.
I am trying to answer you - Respectfully speaking.Sorry, there is a hell of difference in RETURN and COME. The verses of Hindu Scriptures which i mentioned about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not deal with RETURN. Return is used for the one who has already come, gone away and will return / come back. So, these verses in Hinduism is giving a prediction that the last Prophet by the name of Muhammad (pbuh) will come (not return) whom you will need to follow. So, if there are any avaters in Hinduism whose return (come back) is expected does not include Muhammad (pbuh). Muhammad (pbuh) has alread come to this earth and will never return.
Regarding Mahdi, Muslims do not believe he will return or he will be the Prophet, no, not at all. It's only a prediction about a Muslim man among others named Mahdi who will lead the people of the world as a just Muslim leader / Caliph near the end of time and during this time Jesus (pbuh) will also return (come back).
In my example of the medical books, i tried to explain the Qur'an outdates previous religious scriptures. It's not that Qur'an outdates a medical book or a philosophy book and vice versaProphets represent the Light or Allah. Have you been one with the Light or Allah- I have.
You do believe Christians, Hindus and Parsee expect another prophet so for many Muhammad is not the last prophet. One holy hindu texts say there will be an unlimited amount of prophets. Many believe he is eminent.
Sikhs believe Guru Nanak was a prophet and the tribe of Baha'i believes Baha'ullah was a prophet . All three were great masters. Mohit!
I do not have to believe the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs about their believes and practices. What i need to believe is the one which is written in their scriptures and it's totally opposite what they practice and preach, i dont know why but it's STRANGE.
You are talking about unlimited amount of prophets to come in these scriptures, i wonder where is that??? Regarding Guru Nanak and others, i did not say they were wrong or not great.
What i am talking about is related to the LAST Prophet ... LAST (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh))... mentioned and predicted in almost all of the religious scriptures whether it be Bible, Hindu or Sikh scriptures and instructed very well to follow him when you find him. What i am talking about is worshiping ONE God and none other which is mentioned in almost all of these religeous scriptures.
So now tell me, do i need to follow what's written in these scriptures or i have to follow the false notions and practices of their followers???The scriptures Hindu and Parsee say there will be one more prophet who is expected now .I repeat Hindu philosophy - he will be born onto a Brahman family,will write and unite the religions- Kalki.
The age of Aquarius will start with this prophet from the East. The Buddhists Expect the return of Buddha- The laughing Buddha,Maetriya and the Dalai Lama is supposedly gaurding the universe and he will take over.
The Parsees expect the twins as the present day avatars.
Christians the return of Christ.
Recently many believed Sai Baba and Meher Baba to be avatars or prophets. Both were supreme masters.
Then like I said before you had the great Guru Nanak. Many Mulsims converted to Sikhs because they felt the ideology of Islam has been corrupted over a period of time.They felt Islam considered themselves as the best which is not true and that all religions are equal and god is one.Something Guru Nanak and Muhammad taught. Muhammad himself said to your religion be true and me to mine. Live and let live - Mahavira,
So according to you Muhammad was the last prophet and so the greatest.?
You are not following the scriptures.Hinduism is not confined to Brahmins only. The new "prophet" may also be born in a harijan or dalit family. The main draw-back in Hinduism is the ego problem among the religious-sects.
Hinduism shrinks because of the Brahmin atrocities. Unless and until there is equality and liberalism, no one will stick to Hindu religious thoughts.
As for Budha, he should have come by now and he should have visited the Srilankan Tamil camps where lakhs of people are herded like cattle in a small area, ready to be sent for the kill. More than a lakh Tamils have been killed, in the last 5 months, their habitations reduced to ashes and there is now there is no sign of any habitation. What is the meaning of religion and Budha laughing after allowing such a holocaust.
All were done on the pretext of Budhist supremacy in Srilanka.Who are you to decide what the Buddha should be doing?
It is prophecised that he will be born into a Brahman family. Brahman- knower of Brahma- an awakened or enlightened one .Anyone can become a Brahman.Most of the masterpieces from India have been written by Brahmans who have showed mankind the way to god.A harijan or dalit can become a Brahman.
Death is happening in all parts of the world and not just in Sri Lanka, its your ego towards the Tamils and Sri Lankans which makes you make such statement.
The laughing Buddha symbolizes someone who understand the cosmic joke- all is he- he is the one dying.A Brahman is a knower of Brahma-Allah, an enlightened one.Anyone irrespective of their caste can become a Brahman.
But Hinduism does not consider him / her as a brahman. Hindu scriptures catagorically divide people in 4 castes on the basis of their net worth of family, education, finance, economics, politics etc. Take for example the following.
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 40
The Lord says: “There is no being on earth, or again in heaven among the gods, that is liberated from the three qualities born of Nature.”
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 41
“Of Brahmans, Kshatriyas and Vaishiyas, as also the Shudras, O Arjun, the duties are distributed according to the qualities born of their own nature.”
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 42
“Serenity, self-restraint, austerity, purity, forgiveness and also uprightness, knowledge, realization and belief in God are the duties of the Brahmans, born of their own nature.”
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 43
“Prowess, splendour, firmness, dexterity and also not fleeing from battle, generosity and lordliness are the duties of Kshatriyas, born of their own nature.”
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 44
“Agriculture, cattle-rearing and trade are the duties of the Vaishiyas merchant class), born of their own nature; and action consisting of service is the duty of the Shudras (servant class), born of their own nature.”
Bhagavad-Gita, Ch.18, verse 45
“Each man devoted to his own duty, attains perfection.”Here one is talking about an a enlightened society where all castes are needed in order to function properly.Perform your duty whatever it is , is the meaning of the above passage.Understand what you are made for, the reason you are here on this planet and do it, this will burn your desires, the reason you have materialized and you can attain Moksha.
This is why Krishna chided Arjuna on the battle field saying, "you are a shatriya, your job is of a warrior and you must do your job, the outcome of the battle has already been decided."
A person born into a sudra or shatriya family may have the qualities of a Brahman in him, takes interest in spiritual subjects.An enlightened one a knower of Brahma is called a Brahmin.You may be born intro a Brahman family but you become one upon gaining enlightenment.
My surname is "Misra "- "the name given to the Brahmins-enlightened ones who settled by the river Ganges." This is from my fathers side who lived in Allahabad the confluence of the Ganga, Jamuna and mystical Sraswati, but I became a Brahmin , a knower of Brahma or Allah at the age of twenty four when I came in contact with god, got enlightened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin
Brahmin is the class of educators, law makers, scholars and preachers in Hinduism[1][2][3][4]. It is said to occupy the first position among the four varnas of Hinduism.[5]
The English word brahmin is an anglicised form of the Sanskrit word Brāhmana (Brāhman also refers to a sanskrit word Brahma- meaning 'knowledge', Brahman (noun form) who possesses the 'knowledge.' Brahmins are also called Vipra "learned",[6] or Dvija "twice-born".[7]
Dvija "twice-born"-- reborn is what Christianity calls these saints.
Or what Jesus meant by saying one must be reborn- Here one is absolutly not talking about the enlightened society rather the text is talking about the NATURE of different kinds of people divided into different classes. Yes, Shudras may have the qualities of Brahmans and can think of becoming Brahmans BUT can not actually become Brahmans, Kshatriyas or Vaishiyas.
Mahabharat
Santi Parva, SectionXLVIII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Bhishma said: O Krishna (O Supreme Lord), Brahmans are thy mouth, Kshatriyas are thy two arms, Vaishiyas are thy stomach and thighs, and Shudras live in thy feet.
Mahabharata
Santi Parva, Section CLXXXVIII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Brigu said, “…(The Creator created) human beings with their four divisions, viz, Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishiyas, and Shudras. The complexion the Brahmans obtained was white; that which the Kshatriyas obtained was red; that which the Vaishiyas got was yellow; and that which was given to the Shudras was black.”
There are thousands of verses of Vedas and other books of Sanatan Dharm, which talk, about Caste system and Vedantist agree with it totally as mentioned the statements above.
Now turn towards the Glorious Qur’an: Alhamdulillah, Allah clearly states in the glorious Qur’an in
Surah Hujuraat (49:13) that, “O mankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other not that ye may despise each other. Verily the most honored among you in the sight of Allah (God) is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”Here one is absolutly not talking about the enlightened society rather the text is talking about the NATURE of different kinds of people divided into different classes.
Only an enlightened society can see this. It is similar to what some of the Greek philosophers proposed. In early age let the child play, then with time we can observe as elders who care as to what the child is inclined and tutor him as such.Is he inclined to spirituality, towards a warrior or towards the arts.
The folly happens when the wrong person is in the wrong field.
Yes, Shudras or sudras may have the qualities of Brahmans and can think of becoming Brahmans smile BUT can not actually become Brahmans, Kshatriyas or Vaishiyas.
This is wrong ego which we have in India today and what some believe, someone born into a Brahmin family calls himself a Brahmin.No he comes from a family of Brahmins, Kabir the weaver - a Vaishiyas gained enlightenment, became a Brahmin or knower of god.
Enlightenment is the criteria for being called Brahmin.
"Verily the most honored among you in the sight of Allah (God) is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”[/b]"
-this person will be called a Brahmin.- The Qur'anic quotation which i mentioned was for showing you that Islam / Qur'an does not support this kind of seperative classes which Hinduism believes in. It's not the matter of Indians rather it's the matter of Hindu scriptures who themselves support and encourage this class system. You did not go through the other two verses from Hindu Scriptures. I am mentioning them here again.
Mahabharat
Santi Parva, SectionXLVIII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Bhishma said: O Krishna (O Supreme Lord), Brahmans are thy mouth, Kshatriyas are thy two arms, Vaishiyas are thy stomach and thighs, and Shudras live in thy feet.
Mahabharata
Santi Parva, Section CLXXXVIII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Brigu said, “…(The Creator created) human beings with their four divisions, viz, Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishiyas, and Shudras. The complexion the Brahmans obtained was white; that which the Kshatriyas obtained was red; that which the Vaishiyas got was yellow; and that which was given to the Shudras was black.”These is metaphorical usmanali, don't take them literally.
The undercurrent of an enlightened society is that all is one.The Brahmin cannot live without the Kshatriya or vashiya or sudra.Neither can the Kshatriya live without the Brahmin or vaishya or sudra and similarly the rest.There was respect for each , when the respect got lost is when the injustice started.Mahabharat
Santi Parva, SectionXLVIII
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Bhishma said: O Krishna (O Supreme Lord), Brahmans are thy mouth, Kshatriyas are thy two arms, Vaishiyas are thy stomach and thighs, and Shudras live in thy feet.
The meaning of this is that all these different parts make up god. He cant function properly if any one is missing. He needs all to become whole.But feet can not become mouth so people in the feet are suppressed and degraded all the time. Consult a celebrated history for that.
Moreover, as per science brain has got a higher class than feet
Can you be able without your feet? Are feet not important?
There are many passages in spirituality which you cannot take literally or you miss out on the meaning .
There is a passage in the Quran which says something like" you will have 7 virgins when you go to heaven." If you take this literally you are totally missing the point.The point being heaven is a far greater and happier dimension then we are in.
Some would say what a ridiculous thing to say.What need of virgins when one is with Allah.There is no two in the dimension of god, all is One- Allah, so who can have sex with who?
Then you have the third eye in hinduism, if you actually think there is one more eye needed on your body , again you are missing out on the depth.
You have "when thy eye be single" Jesus. Now if you think only a person with one eye can enter heaven again you are missing out on the depth of these words.
This is not metaphorical at all. Look at the verses again, very plain to understand. Also if you read the verses before and after them in context, it becomes even more clear that human beings are degraded and divided religiously in Hinduism.
Now that you say Brahman cannot live without the Kshatriya; this thing is absolutly not mentioned in any of the Hindu religious scriptures. Infact it's your own philosophy to be kept in DARK. Do you know Shudras (merchant class) are not entitled to the study of the Vedas as you said they can think of it and can become enlightened but are not actually allowed to do it.
Do not take it personal. It's the fact which Hindu scriptures itselves are evident on it. Take one more in the following
Translation and explanations by Swami Vireswarananda Advaita Ashrama, Mayavati, Himalayas
Brahma-Sutras 1-3-36:
Because purificatory ceremonies are mentioned (in the case of the twice born) and their absence are declared (in the case of the Shudras).
[Note: Purificatory ceremonies like Upanayana (Sacred Thread) etc. are declared by the scriptures to be a necessary condition of the study of all kinds of knowledge or Vidya; but these are meant only for the higher castes (Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishiyas). Their absence in the case of the Shudras is repeatedly declared in the scriptures.
"Shudras do not incur sin (by eating prohibited food), nor have they any purificatory rights " etc. (Manusmrti 10-12-6). Consequently they are not entitled to the study of the Vedas.]When you are not looking at it in an enlightened way, you are corrupting it.Its your outlook.
Purificatory ceremonies like Upanayana (Sacred Thread) etc. are declared by the scriptures to be a necessary condition of the study of all kinds of knowledge or Vidya- I never had the thread ceremony and got enlightened without it.
Like I said before the Greek philosophers also proposed this as an enlightened way of society.
Sir,
You have a remarkable in depth understanding of the Vedic scriptures. Seriously, not many Hindus I have met are as well versed about Hindu texts like you are. Are you a Theology major expert(especially comparative religions)?
Coming to your observations about Hinduism I humbly admit that some of my fore fathers might have practiced discrimination of others based on caste(because even I belong to the priestly community). But thankfully our generation in India is slowly rising above caste based distinctions (but sadly politicians like Mayawati still persist on playing the caste based politics as if two wrongs make a right). It is really a pleasure to meet such a scholar who has such a vast knowledge of other religions. In fact the need of the hour is to come together as one. We seem to have all the religions in the world to divide each other but not enough to love each other.He doesn't understand the scriptures.
Like Mark mentioned earlier you need to be castrated in order to enter heaven according to the Quran.This is totally absurd if you take it literally, the depth means one needs to be pure.One needs to be stripped of his ego and attachments.
Ridiculing is too easy, try and see the truth, the beauty in a spiritual passage.A couplet form "Ponder Awhile"
"We are constantly fighting like cats ad dogs,
Reality is covered by some strange fog."
This is metaphorical, please don't go looking for a fog to go through.Be practical Mohit
, may be the class system can do something for Philosophers but for Practitioners this system can do nothing accept INJUSTICE.Dont Muslims have different people in different jobs,dont you have scholars, artists ,warriors and workers?
Which society in the world doesn't?
Like the passage you mentioned says man cannot function properly without his legs, arms, stomach and mind, all are needed.Oh no dont think muslims are to back positions..they are very cleaver as so many I mate in my class..
and I found so many muslims are very helpful, thay are very honest with their God -allah..and I dont know why in India people fights for the Hindu Muslim issue...they dont thinks that this issue was made by British to split india in to parts n so pakistan came to born...
many people have respects for Hinduism ....
I request u all Hindus and Muslima who r in Hubpages try to write on this issue and plz end up the wor....
thanks ..for nice subject...All the prophets and religions are equal Apeksha ,is my point.
u people go on writing big posts so some times many diverts from main subjects...
same thing wan tell to people...I get very irritated when anyone praises their own prophet or religion and tries to put down other prophets or religions
i did not do it at all, go back and have a look again.
You were saying old medicine and new medicine and like I said the message is the same since the beginning, god doesn't get old.He is beyond time
"You are made of such fine light ,love tissue,
No beginning , no end an ageless issue. "
For your kind information, the most cleaver and genious people of the world are JEWS. QUR'AN praised them
, so astonishing. You see the maximum number of phd in the world are produced by Israel.Saints or god men are have been produced in every nook and corner of this planet.
My dear friend!
Yes, every family, group, society, country has got these distributions BUT Hinduism is the only religion who catagorically documented the forcefull division of people and assigned classes to them on the basis of their family background, social, financial and political status, color, caste etc. The text in Hindu scriptures clearly describes that the people working under different classes can not join another class no matter if a Shudar can do the job of Brahman, they are simply not allowed by Hinduism to do so.Corrupted minds corrupted the ideal yet the essence or philosophy is correct.This corruption took place with time due to the greed of man ,it was not always there.
My ancestors being Parsees had to flee Iran because Muslims were chopping of their heads if they didn't convert to Islam, Hinduism doesn't force anyone into their belief.The Parsees couldn't live in peace in Iran and so came to India which is know all over the world for its religious tolerance.
Hindus accept both Jesus and Muhammad as great prophets but sadly its not the other way around, the great Hindu prophets are not given the respect they deserve by Christians and Muslims.For your kind info brother!
Iran has got more than 6,000 jews living peacfully with Muslims, even Israel invited them for permanent residency but they refused and preferred to live with Muslims, why ???
Iran has got a considerable amount of Parsee as well.
For confirmation, you can watch several documentries built by BBC and other channels and get amazed.
Now comming to the religion of your ancestors, it's just to amaze you, do not misundertand me.
The Zorastrians… the Parsis, they call Almighty God as ‘Ahora Mazda’. ‘Ahora’ means ‘the Lord’ … ‘God’, ‘Mazda’ means ‘Wise’. ‘Ahora Mazda’ means ‘the Wise Lord’ or ‘the Wise God’, and He has been given several attributes and names in the ‘Dasatir’. For example, - ‘He is the only One, He has no beginning, no origin, and no end - He has no father, no mother, no wife, no son. He has got no image - He is beyond imagination. There is nothing like Him - No vision can see Him. He is beyond comprehension. He is closer to you than yourself’. There are also other attributes given to Almighty God, in the ‘Awastha’. The other Sacred Scripture of the Parsis. It is mentioned in the ‘Awastha’, in the ‘Kathas’, and the ‘Yasnas’, He is called as the Creator, in Yasna, Ch. No.31, Verse No.7 and 11, and also in other places in Yasna, Ch. No. 44, Verse No.7, Ch. No. 50, Verse No.11, Ch.No. 51, Verse No.7. In several places He is called as the ‘Creator’.
Peace be upon youBuddy its common truth the Parsees fled from Iran and came to India as they were being persecuted by the Muslims.
So now is the prophet Muhammad greater than the prophet Zarathustra,? they taught exactly the same thing.
Some Parsees also have this foolish ego that since Zarataushtra is the first prophet he is the greatest ,it is as absurd as some Mulsims saying Muhammad being the last prophet is the greatest or some Christians saying because Jesus was crucified he is the greatest prophet.
He is closer to you than yourself- I am a knower of god ,try to understand I have spent the last few years of my life as a poet spreading gods message.
You may not like it but many do call me prophet.
CW, he doesn't have the "remarkable in depth understanding of the Vedic scriptures" as you think. He is one among many Muslims out there, who resort to copy-n-paste to further their propaganda.
Their only goal is to prove that Islam is the perfect religion and all non-Muslims should convert to Islam because of that. He's not a theologian - just a humble copy-n-paster of texts. He wouldn't have read most of what he's copying and pasting himself.Correctly said, if he did have the understanding he would never try and ridicule it and say Islam is a superior philosophy..
Exactly. Those not familiar with this copy-n-paste mechanism would mistake this guy as having vast knowledge of other religions but what he really is - is a guy with lot of spare time on his hands and lots of cut-n-paste material!! Posting those is being passed off as debate!!
Ha ha - I know you will. But, problem is he won't oblige. He knows what he is good at --- that is copying and pasting verses from the Internet
Let him try, will explain those verse to him, the real meaning.
But, he doesn't have an open mind - does he? If one comes to a debate (in the real sense), one comes with an open mind. Yes, you take a position, but are also willing to consider other views.
If you come with the sole intention of proving that your way is the right way - you seek to only prove your superiority. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy situation!!!Will open up his mind.He has limited understanding right now, will teach him.
Dear!
If some one knows the correct formula for making a nuclear bomb and he / she comes and show you, then what's wrong in taking the correct formula. Any way, you love to be on the wrong formula, go ahead, it's your choice. But i am still here, so you can ask for the formula any timeHave a look at this link please you will understand I have the correct knowledge or formula.
not you.
http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … r/ebooks/0
- where did i say that???
Your own Hindu Scripture is saying that. Your own Hindu Scripture is dividing people in classes. The class issue was started by YOU and VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA. i just mentioned some of the verses from Hindu Scriptures, i from my ownself said nothing.Like I said if you are not thinking in an enlightened way you will corrupt whats written.
For example if it's written, "Go and rape the the poor girl". How can you get enlightenment from this sentence. Enlightenment which you are talking about can work in Philosophy. So dont mix it up with religious scriptures as these are meant for ordianry people and thus are written in easy languages whose chapters and verses must be read in context. Do you know what a CONTEXT is ??? Also explain the enlightenment which you are talking about.
Enlightenment-in light-one with Allah-Shiva-The Holy Spirit.
So its true to enter heaven one needs to be castrated?
Its true you will have 7 virgins when you go to heaven?
Enlightenment is religious.Making contact with the creator, god, Allah, Brahma, Shiva, Ahura Mazda, The Holy Spirit.
Can you tell me in which text its mentioned go rape the poor girl?
The enlightened ones write religious scriptures.
Why have you not answered my question "don't Muslims have holy men, warriors, artists and manual laborer.? Dont you need all in order to function properly.? Can you function properly without your hands or feet?
Stop making the great prophet Muhammad into a fanatic.
So what I am getting from your present statements is that what Shil/Mohit suggested earlier about you copy/pasting without understanding seems to be possible in your case. Well then there are countless writings written by others who have found discrepancies in Islam and even on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and for the sake of a discussion I can also include them but then it won't be me who is talking to you(but some other writer). Btw every religion will have some strengths and weaknesses. If we only selectively read/understand(that too with a preset mindset) then we will only "see" what we want to see. I hope my friend you will understand what I am trying to say. Have a good day.
Dear,
I quote from the religious scriptures not from the books of other folks.
The countless writings against Islam are from other people not from the religious scripture-Qur'an. Let me help you with this if you want to malign Islam. Buy the book by the name of Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie and push your limits to degrade Islam. The more you degrade Islam the more it prevails. Do you know after 911, ISLAM became the most searched word in GOOGLE. Do you know ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in Europe and America after 911, which SWORD is forcing them to become Muslims???SWORD- I just told you many of my ancestors fled Iran because they didn't want to convert. The others stayed back and converted as they didn't want their heads chopped off in the name of Allah.
What is your Taliban about?
This is why when the great Guru Nanak came on this planet, many converted from Islam to become Sikhs where there is no distinction between religons.Taliban is the political game plan of Zionist Jews, Zionist Christians, Zionist Hindus and Zionist Muslims to gain full control of the most important parts of the world, to sweep away the hurdles for the awaited Antichrist by Freemasons, New Conservatives and Zionists.
Talibans are mercenaries just like the Tamil Tigers taking money, food and weapons from their Zionist God Fathers just for promoting chaos, killing of innocents and dome the the whole territories with evil clouds, this same thing was also prophecized by Prophet Muhammd (peace be upon him) as a sign of the arrival of Antichrist-Dajjal. Talibans have got no businesses, no bank balances, no jobs, they are getting their stuff from Zionists and their agents. Even when some Talibans were caught dead by Pakistan Army or Tribal Elders, they were found un circumcised bearing enough evidence for these people to be mercenaries bought from different locations of the world like Russia, India, Arab, Pakistan etc., AMAZING HA, for conformation have a look at some of those videos on YouTube (if they are not banned). Circumcision is compulsory in ISLAM.I understand the frustration by the Muslims, no one wants an outsider coming to their country and dictating terms.
What we were talking about is tolerance and Parsees fled to India because Muslims in that part had no tolerance and were converting people with the sword, with force.What sort of philosophy is this?
Why are people so against the Freemasons? They were founded on the teachings of the first prophet Zarathustra and do a lot for charity.Come on dear, get some more info.
According to Freemasons themselves, their roots start from Ancient Egypt. For the history of Freemasons, you have to study the chain of Ancient Egypt--Crusaders--Knights Templars--Kabbalah--Freemasons Freemasons believe on Kabbalah which is a secret mystical book full of black magic and things like these which were also preached and practiced by the Ancient Egyptian Council of Magicians to Pharaoh. And it's the common practice of magicians to hide behind the black deeds and concepts by making use of charity, donations, gifts and things like that on the front end. Please go through http://hubpages.com/hub/Pharaoh-Remesses and get enlightened what God did with one of the greatest deniers.Some of the most respectable men in India are Freemasons, you do understand magic can be black when misused and white when used correctly or for good.The first known inscripition for Jesus was on a bowl where he was called magician.I joined the Freemasons but was too busy to go to their meetings.The Kabbalah is a mystical book , meant to reach god,this universe is magic.
A couplet for "Ponder Awhile"
"Either you can see the magic,
Or your life is indeed tragic."
"If you can see the magic in just one flower, your life will change drastically" Buddha
I am enlightened.hhmmm, so you are a Freemason, a Hindu, a Parsi at the same time ... Kindly put your legs in one boat other wise your legs will tear apart.
All is Allah , all is Shiva.
Who will tear my legs apart? Only a sadist, fanatic. Like the ones who attacked Jesus and Muhamamad.
I belong to all.No one will tear your legs apart. This will be done automatically. Have some practical on two real boats in a river.
So what can I do if my dad is a Hindu and mother is a Parsee ? Disown both or one of them or embrace both. ?
God is the same for all of humanity, all religions.Are his legs torn apart?
Give me the evidence to back up your claims. How and in which way is the Taliban the "political game plan of Zionist Jews, Zionist Christians, Zionist Hindus and Zionist Muslims"?
Prior to 9/11 most Muslims were praising the Taliban for being the "ideal Muslims" by following the Koran perfectly. Now, they've become creations of other people? You've got quite the imagination to come up with this.
Not me, these are your own religions, proving that ISLAM is the perfect religion, i am just compiling up the information and presenting it to you. Now if you dont like it, through it away.
Even Atheists are comming towards Islam. Do you know something about Pragmatism; a new form of Atheism in which people agreed upon One God concept but further they say "ok fine, yes, there is One God but He has nothing to do with our lives". May be in future they say "ok fine, let's bring God in our lives as we can not clear up our own created mess, oh God please Guide us"This is not the meaning of these words, and you are speaking with a forked tongue. I understand your religion encourages you to lie in order to push your irrational beliefs on everyone else, but please.......
A new atheism that believes in one god.
I can recommend the Oxford English dictionary if you are having difficulty understanding these words. It will help a lot.Dictionary gives word by word meaning not the explaination. There is a whole world behind Capitalism, dictionary can not take it all
too small. So for you, consult some Pragmatist scholar.LOL
What do you think atheism and pragmatism mean then? LOL
Making up your own BS definitions is not helping your cause. In fact - thank you very much for reminding me why I am not interested in following your religion. I do not like liars and cheats. It is against my moral code. You clearly have none. Thank you once again.Please answer the questions. I do not like to see people lying, stealing other's word and spreading deliberate misinformation.
Thank you once again for reminding me why I do not like religionists.
Do you even know what "atheist" and "pragmatist," mean?Yes, of course, it means that
USA alone has got the maximum number of prisons and prisoners in the world.
In USA alone, maximum number of rapes take place per day (almost 2000 rapes per day).
USA alone, has got the maximum number of registered cases of Depression, Hypertension, Obesity, Breast Cancer, Aids ....... (a long list of diseases) despite the fact that they are leading a top notch facilitated life.
In 2009, from USA alone, the credit crunch started and ate the whole world, imagine their auditors did not knew about what's happening in their own sleeves.
USA alone, is under the debt of 7.0 Trillion Dollars bought most of it from Rothchilds (they are Jews not Muslims).
USA alone, has deposited the maximum number of soldiers in different territories of the world, just for killing and butchering innocents in order to fulfull their SADIST desires.
Danmark and Greenland alone, has got the maximum number of suicide cases despite the fact, these are the safest places and considered as heavens on earth.
EUROPE and USA alone, have got the maximum number of old age houses, where the open minded Atheists and Zionists dump their innocent and loving parents single-handedly.
UK alone, awarded the honor of SIR to Salman Rushdi for his book Satanic Verses in which he merely used slang language and abused Christianity, Islam and the Prophets.
Do you want some more explaination for any of the ISMs ???Yes please. This is extremely funny. Do it some more. You are beautifully demonstrating MUSLIMISM for all to see.
amazingly you keep going out of the topic of discussion
stop being childish please , you know the figures he provided could be right
it has nothing to do with Islam
why do you insist to attack people
having fun doing that or just killing some timethat's right
but I mean that you don't have to disagree with the other part of discussion all the time to make your point MarkI know that he might wanted to tell you results of the two but not what they mean
regardless of their meanings
he and I also don't think your proposal is better for humanityWhat other part of the discussion? That is meaningless garbage thrown out to confuse the fact that this muslimist does not know the meaning of the words "atheist" or "pragmatist." What does the amount of depression in the US have to do with the meaning of these words?
Yes, it addresses very clearly but may be not for funny people like you
No it doesn't mr muslimist. You may think raping women and stoning adulterers to death is the answer to American depression but I do not see what that has to do with atheism. Perhaps you could explain.
Country Woman has explained why you are very, very wrong. Perhaps you could reply to her also?Muslimist is the term invented by you in this forum. You can call me a Muslim. You people asked a list of questions one after another. Now you tell me if a rapist comes and rapes your mother, daughter, sister, wife or spouse, which punishment will you prefer for him???
You are demonstrating the term muslimist right now. In fact, I would say you invented it yourself - not me. Please answer the question instead of going off on another tangent. What does depressed people in Denmark or America have to do with atheism?
I have read your rantings. Oddly enough, I do not see the rape, child abuse and depression statistics for any muslim countries on your list. Neither do I see what this has to do with atheism.
I am not depressed, not do I rape women or abuse children - and I am offended that you suggest the fact that I do not believe your fairy tail will make me do these things.
You do not understand what atheism means - it means I do not believe in a god - any god - yours or any of the other thousands that people claim to believe in. That is all.
It does not mean I am a rapist, child molester or depressed or ill.
You are muslimist with a one-sided, bigoted, irrational viewpoint.
As far as I recall - your prophet had a nine year old wife and rape is legal in Muslim countries is it not?1- it was normal at that time ( people have different judgments at different eras )
2- she is one of the most tradition(the prophet says)teller , around 5000 right one , she used to teach men and women their religion
(young people are more willing to remember)
3- to strengthen relation with the prophet , his best companion Abu Bakor asked to do so
4-other wives the prophet had were mostly old , divorced or widows ( he could have better if it's only about women)
and no mr.Marksist , it is illegalAll right - let's deal with this one for now. The legal age for women to be married was 9 years old - or at least to consummate a marriage. This is what your book says.
I often hear the argument that the word of god as written in your book is never-changing and is the same today as it was when it was written. In Iran the legal age for marriage is still nine for girls.
So are you now saying that the word of god can now be changed to suit modern day ethics?no I didn't say that
Quran or sunnah don't mention anything about this aspect
there are many things are left according to different eras
the word doesn't need to change
it is written to suit all times ..
it is flexible ..
Dear Mark!
I respect you as an elderly man. Kindly put off your glasses to see the whole picture of Atheism. I am not saying that all atheists are bad. You are a good atheist but over all if you analyse this ideology leads to destruction as for an atheist there is No God, No Heaven, No Hell, No Life after death, so there is no compliance and audit for him / her that is why they make use of this materialistic world in any way which suites them.
Now, let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!
First of all, it is important to know:
Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:
1) People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
2) Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries. See the following examples:
A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth:
The news item can be obtained from New Straits Times, 10/3/2001.
Activists condemn Gypsy girl's arranged wedding in Romania
Tuesday, September 30, 2003 Posted: 3:58 PM EDT (1958 GMT)
BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) -- Human rights activists and Romanians on Tuesday condemned the arranged marriage of a 12-year-old Gypsy girl, saying it was illegal and a violation of human rights.
In our world today, we still have people especially in the third world countries, marry very young girls. Why should we call someone who married a 9-year old girl 1400 years ago a child molester, when we still practice it today? The girl above even gave birth at the age of 9!
And should we also call Aisha's (our Prophet's wife) parents child molesters too, since they agreed by their own will and choice to marry their daughter to our Prophet, and they were proud of it too?
Child brides as young as 8 (eight) were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility!
It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.
That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.
Threrefore, Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!This is rubbish. Muslims are just as likely as anyone else to make use of this materialistic world. In fact, where slavery is still in operation - it is in muslim countries.
How dare you tell me what my standards are. I have seen you lie and steal other people's words and now you are telling me what atheists do and do not do? This is the problem with having an irrational belief such as yours - you start behaving like this - and wars ensue.
I do not need to believe in your invisible super being to lead a moral life. I am quite capable of making my own judgments as to what is acceptable behavior and what is not.
Interesting argument in favor of having sex with children you put forward. Odd that you were castigating the West for child abuse and promiscuity, yet in your culture it is still acceptable for a man to have several wives and have sex with 10 year olds.
As for the respect - you have not shown me any respect - so please do not lie about that as well. You sir, are a muslimist through and through.I DARED as it's an attitude of LIONS to rip off the evils like Hyena.
I don't understand. You favor sex with children and lie and steal other's work. You also claim to respect me and show disrespect.
Are these things not evil? Is this what your religion is all about? I am confused.LOL - what was that again? That's the most ridiculous statement I've come across anywhere!!!
Are you justifying child marriage? Also, in Saudi Arabia, you have cases of old men marrying young girls. CNN reported one such instance just a while back. Hmm, so what does one make of that?
When an Arab marries a young lady, it comes on CNN headlines and when a white son of a bitch rapist rapes a breast feeding baby or juveniles it comes as a small news on CNN, WHY???
Take for example the following from Washington post which came as a small news.
MOUNTWOOD DR., 9500 block, Dec. 9. A man allegedly had sexual contact with a female juvenile. A 33-year-old Manassas man was arrested.
Also, no one is talking about legality here - what about the morality of it? Did he feel comfortable marrying a child? You talk as if all men around that time were marrying children - was that the case?
may be she was happy to be married to the best man ever on earth
he died on her lap
and yes , it was the case
people mustn't marry young girls now especially as there are no reasons for that
as Muslims , we are sure that the prophet didn't oppress anyone by anyway
we believe this marriage as it was for reasons , it was also performed to have this contraversory issue in our daysHow do you know -- were you a witness? Did you interview her?
If i did'nt then why are you promoting misinterpretations as i am dead shure you also did'nt interviewed her, why are you misrepresenting her???
What misinterpretation are you talking about --- its a fact. He did marry that girl -- so what is the misinterpretation? Did non-muslims manufacture her?
It seems you are compiling up my replies and posts and preparing a book or a hub to right, very BAAD, you are stealing my stuff.
The misrepresentation from her side by you that she is not happy with that man
Oh yes - would she have thought of him as daddy. I am sure she would have been happy to have a father figure --- that would have made it alright, would it? Its a question of age and the morality of it and the correctness of it. A little girl wouldn't know - but a grown up adult should've known better!!!
Their is a trend by the old men of westerners to have juvenile mistresses aside from their so called wife / spouse / girl friend. So what's wrong if an old Muslim man marries a juvenile and gives her complete rights and respect as that of a wife.
If you can't see anything wrong in this you are one sick puppy!
Your past was just a creepy sperm and your future is dry clay. Whay are you so arrogant???
Fear ALLAHHe's blind. How can he see imperfection in his prophet. He's drowning in his own propaganda!!
Mr Usman- The "westerners" if they have any inappropriate relationships then they can be charged with bigamy/adultery hence punishable by a court of law. But in this case no matter even if given "rights" and "respect" the core issue of the subject being a minor makes even her consent(for consummation of marriage) inadmissible in any court of law and goes completely against all principles of natural justice. Hope you can understand my rationale and not take this as a personal attack on any individual. I am talking more from a principle point of view.
Mark- It is not funny at all for me. He is having a terrible misconception and if he is a young guy then please try to inform guys like him that there is more to it than what meets the eye.
Usman- First I thought you are an elderly person but after reading couple of posts I feel you may be a young guy who is just not getting the so called "facts" from the right sources. I have studied in US and also presently working in US. It is fair to say that there are good people and not so good people in every religion or even with no religion. And also my earlier point is there would be people always trying to prove others as bad to show themselves as good. A case in point is a guy called Zakir Naik who distorts and misrepresents facts to suit his particular point of view. Personally I have many wonderful Muslim friends and I have a pretty good opinion about Islam my friend. Have a good day.Be my guest CW.
I have a feeling you will be talking to deaf ears though. He is on a number of other discussion forums pushing his religion in much the same fashion.
Looking forward to the ensuing conversation actually.- not pushing just presenting, by the way right now you are in the forum of ISLAM presenting yourself as a funny guy
Mark- Maybe you are right about the "deaf" ears.
PS: I just read his response and wouldn't like to further engage in pointless conversations on this thread. Have a good day.You give up too easy.
Just remember - these are open, public forums that anyone can see. I am not really talking to him.Well there should be some give and take in fruitful discussions otherwise we would be going in circles. I am open to listen and discuss but when somebody doesn't want to listen then there is no point. I actually wanted to write a hub. Do you think there is anything to be gained in pouring water on desert sand when rather I could be watering a thirsty plant. I prefer to direct my energies where it might be of some use either to me(enjoying/learning) or others. But I admire you for your resolve. Have a good day and a wonderful weekend ahead. Btw I preferred my last post in this thread to be the last one but now I don't know(but I still hope I don't have to come back here)
Well, as I said - I am not really talking to these people. I am well aware that they have the information they need piped directly into their heads by their god, so I don't really expect them to listen.
But - other people can see and read these forums and make their own mind up.
Usman- 1) This point is correct. But it is also due to two factors one is that US has the third largest population in the world and also many a times many of the prisoners in 1st/2nd in population i.e., China/India have quasi judicial lockups more so in "China which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.)" (copied from the source).
Also many of the jails are full of drug dealers and other illegal activities for which the US still has a Judicial remedy unlike some countries where there "quick" justice meted out to such folks.
Source: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-has- … -prisoners
2) About rapes there is no clear evidence but South Africa seems to have the highest incidence of rapes in the world. And also out of personal experience I felt much much safer both in the university campus and also around my present work place/home in US. Personally I have never heard of any incidences of rape in my brief stay in US so far(except in news sometimes).
Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1 … 452C553558
3) Diseases and depressions: Many nations don't even acknowledge mental conditions as disorders to even seek treatment hence it is highly commendable that US and other western countries not only identify but also seek to redress the disorders.
4) US does have treasury bonds which are held by China/Japan(but no way any private family owns substantial stake in the US to control its decision making). And also Rothchild's total wealth i.e., there own wealth is no where near to "7.0 Trillion Dollars". Although reading further about family wealth folks like Rothchild's I found lot of conspiracy theories abound around them:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
Source: (For individual wealth) http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/11/worlds … _land.html
5) US does have its presence everywhere when the central agency like UN isn't adequate and I do agree it sometimes needlessly goes into war. But there purpose can be termed more profit motive rather than "sadism" which might seem with abu ghraib/guatanamo incidents. Sadly Bush spoiled the US image a lot and Obama is trying to redeem the US image. And also US is one of the first countries to mobilize relief/aid when and where it is needed hence they might be profit seekers but not "sadists".
6) Countries like Greenland which are in the arctic circle have half the year in total darkness and that might have a lot to do with the detrimental psychological effects although I have not researched this piece further.
7) Europe/US societies differ but at least everyone has an equal shot towards retirement pensions from government agencies like Social security where as in many Asian countries if the kids don't look after the parents then they have no other go. And more ever US does have a very strong Christian influence (especially in Midwest and deep south) hence not all are atheists and also all atheists aren't people with no human emotions of empathy or love as it seems to be from that statement.
8) "SIR" is a title award given by the British Monarchy as much as Bharat Ratna by India or Nishan-e-Imtiaz/Nishan-e-Pakistan by Pakistan hence it is up to the respective countries internal decision making body to take that call.
PS: Hope I did ok in my attempt, MarkDear CountryWomen
(1) USA and China have got separate ideologies, no matter based on the Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, yet their development and structures are different that is why China claims to be a Socialist state where as USA a Capitalist. Now if you analyze the history, the cry of Atheism originated from USA and has got the maximum number of Atheists. USA’s ordinary as well as elite classes were very much influenced by Atheism over the past hundred years, no matter Freemasons and Zionists supported Atheism as it takes people away from religion very easily. Take for example the support for the song of Lennon-Imagine there is no religion, recently, even Obama promoted the same very song in a gathering.
That’s the reason I mentioned the causes and effects of following the doctrine of Atheism by USA and Europe especially as an answer to Marks immature question.
(2) Sexual assault Statistics
• 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 4 boys will be sexually assaulted before age 18. (Office of Criminal Justice Planning)
• 80% of all rapes that occur are committed by a date or acquaintance. (Office of Criminal Justice Planning)
• 1.3 women in the United States are forcibly raped each minute. (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation)
• 68% of rapes occur between the hours of 6pm and 6am. (U.S. Dept of Justice)
• Only 2% of rapists are convicted and imprisoned. (U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee)
(3) You did not read my point carefully, read it again in the following especially the bold letters, also remember, USA claims to be the Super Power of the World.
USA alone, has got the maximum number of registered cases of Depression, Hypertension, Obesity, Breast Cancer, Aids ....... (a long list of diseases) despite the fact that they are leading a top notch facilitated life.
(4) Please do not give me wikipedia reference because it’s easily changeable, any body, you and me as well, can change the information on wikipedia. Just create a user account (free) and see how you can play with wikipedia
You call them conspiracy theories but for your kind information these have now become facts as thousands of evidences and chain of actions and reactions are recorded in this regard as well as in support of 911-that the job was not done by Afghanistan or Obama sorry Osama
(5) Thanks for agreeing but killing and butchering is not allowed whether it be for profit or for filling up the UN gape.
(6) Research it again.
(7) The true Christians are believed to be the nuns and popes in churches, the Christians you see around are merely name sake Christians just as there are name sake Muslims. Majority of the world whether be Muslims or Non Muslims are greatly influenced and submerged by materialistic gains which supports Atheism and this in turn supports Freemasons and Zionists.
(8) But spoiling an award on a book whose supporting material is slang, abusive and violent, how ridiculous. A proud English nation giving award for a pathetic book. Hhmmm …. Oh I see … May be it’s the effect of repeated marriages with cousins for generations that is why the Queen did it unintentionally as she blinks her eyes unintentionally.Lol - you are a funny guy. You quote all those statistics as if that's supposed to mean anything. Well - news for you - it means nothing. In democratic countries, you have free access to information, you can gather data from people and people are open to sharing information. How many Islamic countries around the world can match that.
You make it seem as if sexual assualts don't happen in Islamic countries. Lol - read up some. In Pakistan, incest is common place. Now of course they don't show up in offical numbers - why? Obviously, because talking about the subject is taboo in countries like that. Also, the repercussions for the girl/woman involved is huge - could even mean death. So, why would a sexual abuse victim speak up in Islamic countries and how would that show up in statistics.
Statistics mean zilch. Fact is a lot worse happens in closed Muslim societies that go unreported because of fear, as I've stated above. Just who are you kidding with those lame numbers. Stop pretending you live in an ideal society. Your house is just as dirty (if not more). Stop deluding yourself.
Just another thing, I know sodomy of young kids is commonplace in Afghanistan. You ain't proving anything quoting statistics!!!These Muslim countries which you see around are name sake Muslim countries divided in 1920s after the destruction of Khilafa. Caliphate(Khilafa) is the true Islamic State System. Read The Last Mughal by a non muslim historian to clear your misconceptions. For an overview of the book http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT
Zakir Naik distorts and misrepresents ... hhmmm ... like for example ???
My friend only folks who want to believe in people like him actually like him. Oh by the way here is one link among many links which state some of his assertions to be incorrect. If you want more links then let me know. http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Rebuttals_to_Zakir_Naik
PS: I do admire that man for his memory in trying to remember the quotes/verse numbers but alas it is his agenda that keeps others from taking him seriously(unless for those who want to believe him).- i told you not to mention the wikepedia references as their text can be changed by anyone. Therefore it's not authentic. The sentence in the very first paragraph in your wikipedia reference "human males are polygamous by nature and that a man is less likely to cheat if he has more than one wife." proves wikipedia to be RUBBISH promoting falsehood against Islam as they get heavy payments from their Zionit God fathers. This sentence was never ever told by Zakir Naik. Take a look at the videos for clarification. The media takes verses as well as speeches of scholars out of context. So if you want to have the clear picture watch the whole videos not the edited portions of that as the wikipedia is presenting just to degrade Islam.
I guess you will only believe in what you want to believe. You feel the whole world is a "Zionist" conspiracy and Islam is 100% right and all others are 100% wrong. No matter myself or anybody else provides any amount of proof it will be discredited since they don't align to your views. It is ok for Dr.Zakir Naik and others to degrade other religions but not ok if there is any criticism of Islam in anyway by others. Grow up my friend. Anyway here is another link just search online and you will find may links like this.
PS: Thanks for inspiring me to write this hub: http://hubpages.com/hub/Do-I-need-to-de … rn-NationsOut of experience comes good judgement. Please give me some more time to learn(maybe a few decades)..LOL
Edit: Dingdong even if religious I now feel reason only works with "reasonable" people.LOL
Well, I have given up with people like him. Now - I just make fun of them and subscribe to the view that I am 100% certain there is no such thing as whatever it is they are 100% certain is right. Drives them insane... as you have seen.Well his initial post where he compared different religions (including verses) seemed like a scholar but later his inability to understand other view points started making me doubt whether even the original posts were based on his own reading/understanding.
Anyway I guess by the time I get wise like you I would have people cracking these jokes at me.
That would be me actually lol
I did point out earlier that he had been cutting and pasting arguments that he had taken from elsewhere - these were not his own thoughts or words. But I guess that is OK if you are doing it in allah's name.....Well I got into the thread from the middle and maybe I should have gone back couple of pages where you had already mentioned. I know you have a lot more experience and must have dealt with many folks to figure out by now. Btw it was meant to be me(how long it will take for me to become wise since I am 26 now) and not meant for you or anyone.
you can laugh as much you want because you are funning guy at all
Isn't it one thing all religious people do alike?
No one is degrading other religions, rather we are just showing the both sides of the picture. If i am standing on a cliff and getting amazed by the beautiful landscape and suddenly an innocent child comes near the edge while running unknowingly what a cliff is, what the edge is, what the pain is and what the death is??? You tell me is'nt it my duty to hold the child right there, is'nt it my duty to correct the child. If i let the child fall off the cliff, does not his parents blame me for not stopping him.
So, the clear pictures are presented to you and now if you want to jump off the cliff and die then go ahead, your choice.The clear picture is that all the prophets are messengers of god, all are equal and no person should try and convert someone into his religion as both bow to the same one god.
Their message has been the same and you have quoted these before.
Even if I change the name from the Vedas to the Zen Avistha to the Quran - the message is identical.Ekam evaditiyam
“He is One only without a second” -The Holy Quran
Na casya kasuj janita na cadhipah
“Of Him there are neither parents nor Lord” - The Holy Vedas
Na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him - The Holy Avistha
Have changed the names, can you find a difference or are these truths identical.
God does not age with time as we humans do, his message is the same from the beginning of time as he is timeless.The prophets or messenger come to reiterate the same truth .
Prophet Muhammad- "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam" meaning “To your be your religion, to me be mine.”Message is by the same ONE God-Allah and Message itself bears some similarities at certain points but not at all points. Take for example the message of following the final prophet which is there in all other religious scriptures and not in Qur'an as Qur'an itself was revealed on the last Prophet.
The message of all prophets is that there is this super entity which is all powerful, exists in everything and has all knowledge.
Being one with this entity is our true nature and it is a state of absolute bliss which we all can experience and is our true home , from where we and everything has come and will go back to.Agreed, but the message does not stop here. It goes on and commands you to follow Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
I am called prophet by many and my book is even ranked over editions of the Holy Quran.No one commands me except god. For me all the prophets are very great and equal and they have exactly the same message.
This is going back to the finger pointing to the moon or the message and the messenger .
Stop focusing on the finger or you miss out on the glory of the moon, similarly stop focusing more on the messenger than the message.You miss the point.
Please show me the difference in the philosophy of different religions or even saints? must be many gods according to you.The biggest difference is related to the implementation. ISLAM gives you the right path as well as a way to implement that right path. No other religion on earth gives you these amazing details, take for instance. THEFT which is forbidden in Christianity, Islam and Hinduism (that's the right path). Now further only goes Islam and teaches you the way how to stop theft indivisually and globally. The step wise explaination is as follows.
(1) Islam guides and instructs not to become thief and do not steal.
(2) Islam guides and instructs about ZAKAT (charity) which is a minimum amount, 2.5% of the prescribed quantity of Gold or cash equivalent accumulated for one year. This amount must be given to poors and needy (a list of these kind of people are also mentioned) per lunar year by each and every rich person of community. The collection and distribution of Zakat can be done on government level if there exists CALIPHATE and CALIPH.
(3) After getting ZAKAT, if someone steals then comes the punishment of chopping off hands (the punishment is so sever that if a thief hears about it, at once starts thinking thousand times before robbery)
Imagine, if you implement these steps today, the poverty will be eradicated from the whole world. Even if only the 10 richest of the world, whose budget is more the the 3rd world countries all over, start giving ZAKAT there will be no poor on the face of this earth.Why aren't muslim countries doing well then - in fact, why are they doing so terribly? You'd think life would be a paradise in your brotherhood countries, since you seem to make it sound as if following Islam is a cure-all. What's the state of education, status of women, poverty in islamic countries?
- these Islamic countries are name sake Islamic countries, built after the destruction of Caliphate in 1922 by the hands of Christian Zionists. Now each of these countries were then given agents as Prime Ministers and Presidents which are called HONORARY MASONS in the language of Freemasony. Look at Africa in the world map. The irony is that they have divided the Muslim territory of Caliphate merely by using a ruler and pencil, drawing straight lines. So, these countries do not possess the complete Islamic law as a whole and the foremost evidence in this regard is that these countries are divided. In contrast, Caliphate (Islamic state), has got no division and all the territories are run under one governing body; Caliph, which we do not find today.
These are very minor philosophies.I am talking about God here.Do different religions worship different gods?
Do good is the message of all religions- wake up.
No religions tells you to steal or injure someone.All religions are equally good is what you need to understand.They are teachings of great masters who represent the Light or God.
Dear!
I am not trying to convert you at all, rather i am presenting you the things. I agree all the prophets (peace be upon them all) are equal and except the last prophet all the other prophets emphasized upon following the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as he comes. So, when your Hindu Scriptures is saying that and you do not follow this commandment of your scripture it's your fault, not mine. I think it's very clear to you now and needs no further clarificationI am enlightened and take direct guidance and orders from God, don't need any prophet or any religion.
The prophets are guides who guide you on the path to walk, one must become like them.
Now Allah told me to write and show humanity the oneness in all religion and his prophets as ugly wars are happening in his name which really irritates him.
Allow me to stop you from falling over the cliff. Open your eyes, let go your ridiculous notions of muslimism and avoid the inevitable conflict with the other religionisms.
You can stop yourself from falling. It is not too late.It seems there is some magic in your glasses which is not letting you see the clear pictures and kept you in delusion for years but i think there is a little spark in your heart which will ultimatley revert you back to ISLAM
you will be welcomed.It can be argued that you are the one living in delusion and self-propaganda. How many humans are there in the world and how many of them happen to be muslims? It seems the "truth" wasn't so true.
Wouldn't all this time (1400 years) have been enough to have made non-muslims see and accept the "truth." The fact that, they continue to follow their own religions -- proves the point that there is no such thing as "the truth" that you speak of.I don't agree that just because all have not accepted "the truth" then it goes to reason that it (truth) does not exist. If that were the case ALL would accept it. Or,conversely, ALL would reject it.
The reality is, that the "truth IS out there", and it's up to each individual to find it. Unfortunately, today, truth has become relative for most people. Absolute truth is just that, absolute.In other words it stands alone. Being believed, accepted, rejected, denied or ignored does not change a thing. It just IS.
Of course, I am not speaking of, (or for), Islam.
Whether the "truth" exists or not --- no one belonging to any one religion can state with certainty that his/her way is the "only true way."
That attitude has cost many lives in the past, would continue to cost lives in the future. All for what? God? Why is it that goodness isn't limited to one group of people if they are the only ones to whom "truth" has been revealed?
To me religion is my own personal matter -- and I don't like someone preaching to me and sitting in judgment on my religion. Its none of their business. They've been given no divine right to do that.Who is preaching to you? You mean outside of HP?
As I often say, these are mere words on a screen. You read them with your own prejudices. What one writes as a light hearted comment, another will take deep offence to. Others opinions/beliefs are just as valid as your own, and vice-versa. Take what you want, and give what you want.Don't blame others for that.I wasn't talking to you - if your response was based on my post.
not even for Atheism ?
religious response at many times come as a result of the certain language Atheists use.
it is like religious people are trying to stop the revolutionary movement of absolute materialism thinking
regardless of who is right and what are the intentions of both sides , if a side uses the certainty language he must expect a similar response (which applies for both)LOL
Absolute materialism thinking? Yeah right. The only reason you say you have the truth is because some atheist said there was no god first. Oh - wait a minute - that is not possible.
Guess you must have started by saying you had the truth.
Why do you guys always resort to semantics? Atheists are no more or less materialistic than anyone else. So - best to try a new argument.Mark- That often seems to be the issue. I have seen the moment I say I am not sure if there is a God and I don't even say this with a certainty and lo behold I get lectures in ethics/morality. Somehow not being "religious"(according to them) makes me less of a human or lacking in the ability to spiritually progress. Isn't it possible that a human being can internalize what is universally good or bad and what is relatively good or bad with/without religion?
Even in this thread there are certain people who start with the assumption that there way of thinking/beliefs is the only way and then somehow there idea of only one life makes it imperative on all of us to choose there "only" way right here right now. I mean they feel that this is the only important religion or way to be followed as of now or for eternity. And then there are others who feel they have been listening to "God" and somehow have a different take but then there own idea of "self importance" seems equally inadequate. Anyway each to his/her own. As long as somebody doesn't tell me that "you will go to hell" I am fine with there beliefs. Have a good day everyone
I said absolute referring to atheism as part of it
people in some aspect are two groups :
those who have some religious or spiritual thinking
and those who completely deny them
I know materialism could include a lot of religious people
I might be material in some ways
so don't get everything wrong , would you ?
The attitude which you are talking about cost many lives in the past, present and future as well BUT not from Muslims' side. It was, is and will be from the side of Freemasons, Zionists, Fascists. The World War III will be initiated by Zionists (with Christian allies) against Muslims just as they did in WWI and WWII and Muslims will face sever caualties and losses.
It seems that you will also become a Muslim in the near future because as prophecised both in Christianity and Islam; after the ARMAGEDDON-WORLD WAR III, the world will become totally aware of the hidden agendas and propagandas of Freemasons and Zionists against ISLAM and innocent human beings and there will not be a single human who will be a Non-Muslims, everyone will happily accept ISLAM as the ULTIMATE ART OF LIVING ON EARTH.
So, get ready, if you survive in WWIII, you will find yourself as a Muslim after that.
Regarding the CIA references given by CIA for gender population is totally wrong and tottally oposite to authentic sources. Sources like
U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee
and some others EXCLUDING CIA because CIA has got the worst reputation for their false reports. Take for example, the report of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan and Iraq, after invasion no nuclear weapons found and the CIA reports were just used to invade for killing and buthcering innocents. Also at the end when Bush admitted his faults in his last speach (during an interview), the CIA did not publish any report for Bush to be the number one terrorist as they did with Osama. Where is CIA now??? why Bush is not trialed for fullfilling his sadist desires in Iraq. Bush admitted and was sorry that there were no weapons of mass destrucition in Iraq. That's how CIA misreportS and is used for Zionists agendas agains innocents. There are hundreds of other examples on false and bogus CIA reports.
they are two different Physicological attitude toward people , life , religionists and religions as well as what is happening generally in life
and congrats for the 100 by the way
That's a question that should be asked of you - how old are you seriously?? Most of the muslims I've encountered spouting this BS are 16 - 18 year old kids. You must be one of them - lol!!
- please dont call me sir, i am not a scholar. I am just an ordinary Muslim.
When we see religions are dividing us, it's not the religions rather some mischief mongors who do it for personal gains. I repeatidly tell people to read your scriptures in context and then you will realize what's true and what's false. For comming together ther must be a central point around which all religions can sit together. There must be some points (not all) to which all religions must agree.
Now if you analyse, there are many things which are common in all the religions like "dont be adultrous, dont rape, dont loot, dont decieve, dont gamble, dont drink, dont have pork, dont have clothes of opposite sex, maintain modesty in clothes as well as hearts etc etc BUT the most basic commonality in all the religions is worship only ONE God and Prophet Muhammad is the last and final Messenger of God. This bottom line is as important as 2+2=4. If you do not agree with 2+2=4 then you can not become a good mathematician or engineer. Similarly the ONE God and the final Messenger concept is there in all the religious scriptures whether it be Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism or Islam. Please have a look at my prevous posts for valid references from Bibles and vedas. Also http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH. Now at least, come to this very basic commonality that all the religions have. All the religions agree that there is none worthy of worship accept ONE God and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be the last and final Messenger, so whoever finds him, follow him. If there own religions are directing them towards ISLAM, QUR'AN, ALLAH, MUHAMMAD (PBUH) then what's the matter, why they deny this very basic and clear cut directions of their scriptures??? Even though Bibles, Hindu and other religious scriptures have been altered so many times in history yet the players were unable to remove these facts from these altered scriptures, is it not amazing, is it not a miracle of Qur'an, still preserved for the last 1400 years in it's orginal language, letter by letter. Qur'an is not the property of any Muslim rather it's a way of life for the whole of mankind as the previous scriptures were for the people of that time that is why the prophecy of following the last Messenger Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned in all the previous scriptures.
After this intimation, you agree or not, that's totally upto you and them. No body can force you.
- again what you are saying are related to the ideologies of the followers which are not there in their scriptures
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not say your religion be true and me to mine rather he said to the whole of mankind "OBEY ALLAH (One God) AND OBEY HIS MESSENGER (Muhammad pbuh)"Read different philosophies in order to understand whats in their scriptures.
Prophet Muhammad- "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam"
What do you think this means.Muhammad was not a fanatic, none of the prophets are fanatics.They understand the oneness of all.
Someone who thinks "HIS PROPHET-HIS RELIGIONS IS THE BEST."
= FANATIC.
Drop the my in order to see the truth.
"Behold but one in all things, It is the second that leads you astray" Kabir.So you are entermingling the subject of Philosophy and Religious Scriptures. For your kind information, none of the religious scriptures state to learn / read this scripture according to this particular philosophy. Scriptures are self explainatory. Take for example the following famous verse from Bible.
" I and my father are one"
Now here if i take the philosophy of Paul and Popes then i have no other choice than to accept that Jesus (pbuh) and Allah are one in person. But if i read it in plain english and specially in context then i come to the right explaination of the the above mentioned verse that Jesus (pbuh) was saying that he and Allah are one in profession, the profession of delivering the true message.
Regarding me, i am nothing, i am just a lay man, my past was just a drop of sperm and my future is in the clay, you know very well i am not a fanatic as i am showing you the verses from these scriptures (forget about Qur'an and Islam) which themselves testify that there is no god but God (ONE) and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the final Messenger of God. So where is fanatisim??? In me or in these scriptures. These scriptures themselves ordering you to follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and take what he gives you. I quoted several verses from Bible as well as Hindu Scriptures mentioning clearing what i am explaining you.
So if some Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Atheist or Zionist does not agree with this basic notion of ONE God and the LAST Messenger (Muhammad (pbuh)) then it means they also do not agree with their own scriptures and just practice and preach the falsehood. In my whole replies especially to you and Sandra i did not quoted any Qur'anic verse or Hadith rather i quoted your own scriptures and showed how these Popes and Pandits hide these kind of verses from their scriptures and only preach what they like for some penny gains.
The biggest problem in this context is that the ordianary muslims, christians, hindus, sikhs do not read their scriptures at all, most of them have'nt read even a single translated verse ever in their whole lives. So now, if i or some one else comes and delivers the true context based interpretations, this becomes inacceptable for some of them and label us as fanatics
If you believe in Popes, Pandits or Mullas OR that you believe in what the scriptures tell you to do, the choice is totally yours." I and my father are one"
Now here if i take the philosophy of Paul and Popes then i have no other choice than to accept that Jesus (pbuh) and Allah are one in person. But if i read it in plain english and specially in context then i come to the right explaination of the the above mentioned verse that Jesus (pbuh) was saying that he and Allah are one in profession, the profession of delivering the true message.
Thay are one ,what you call the right expantion-
then i come to the right explaination of the the above mentioned verse that Jesus (pbuh) was saying that he and Allah are one in profession, the profession of delivering the true message.
Is very wrong, you do not understand Jesus or Allah .
You do understand you are debating with an enlightened one, a messenger of god who has written one book and got ranked over the Holy Quran.
usmanali-'Regarding me, i am nothing, i am just a lay man,'
Mohit- "I am not a layman."
I know god for myself , I dont have to believe anyone including the pope or a sage,I work for him
- Leta Sposted 16 years ago0
I do no 'stringing.' lol. I simply am not that mean. (And if it seems like it--keep in mind it is always only done with slight humor attached with those I think can handle it.)
But doubt I have 'answers' anyway, so OK! I dont belive on religions so I cant write anyting..Islam ,Hindu....
You have to have a reason for not believing but if you do not believe on religions then i must present ISLAM to you as the ultimate way of life as ISLAM at first, claims to be the ultimate way of life which encompasses Islam as a religion as well.
Usmanali81 - you have clearly come here to 'prove' that your religion is the only true one and that all others are either wrong or superseded by yours.
Just so we know the benefits of your religion, please provide a brief description of what awaits a christian, a hindu and an atheist or agnostic after death.
Please contrast this with what awaits a muslim after death. Please tell us in your own words, without reference to scripture. Thank you for your time.For Both, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike, there is another life which is eternal and that's the thing which awaits us. Death is actually a transition to another life. There, to live eternally, are two places, Hell and Heaven. So, after getting the message and signs from Allah, we are bound to follow him and his given way of life - ISLAM which was also the way of life for all the preceding prophets and their companions.
And how do you know this is true, except by reference to the Quran?
hi Paraglider ,
I hope Usman would execuse me
because as I muslim
you simply submit to the creator
you start by pondering creatures , believe in a power
you read the books and have faith
faith is something you believe but without seeing God
this faith becomes as a reality as much as you ponder the world , study it and think about it
best reagrdsIn other words you can't do it without begging the question. You can't simply submit to the creator if you don't think there's a creator. In other words, you can't start without having already started. Therein lies the irrationality.
Dear Paraglider,
Qur'an speaks about future in several places, off which almost 80% have become proved now, by established science, for instance, consider the following scientific facts in accordance with Qur'anic Verses.
Regarding the origin of the universe:
According to “The Big Bang”, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a BIG BANG (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it happening by “chance” is nill.
“Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” Qur’an Ch 21:V30
Regarding the impermanence of the sun’s existence:
The light of the sun is due to a chemical process on its surface that has been taking place continuously for the past five billion years. It will come to an end at some point of time in the future, when the sun will be totally extinguished, leading to extinction of all life on earth.
“And the Sun runs its course for a period determined for it; that is the decree of (Him) the exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.” Qur’an Ch 36:V38
Regarding the nature of the universe:
Edwin Hubble, provided observational evidence that all galaxies are moving away from one another, which implies that the universe is expanding. The expansion of the universe is now an established scientific fact.
“With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: For it is We Who create the vastness of Space.”
Qur’an Ch51:V47
Now, if a logical person ponders then he / she will come to the conclusion that "If Qur'an is 80% in complete accordance with established science then the remaining 20% which are not yet proved by science, for example, Heaven, Hell, Life after Death, will also be proved as correct and perfect in future where science becomes more advance.Dude - it is really bad form to cut and paste arguments taken from other websites word for word.
http://www.hallagulla.com/urdu/islam-mu … 71844.html- Yes, of course but it's good to copy from a website which has no copy rights, for example,
http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm
http://www.peacetv.tv/
http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.info/info/english.phpI was more talking about you trying to pass these off as your own arguments rather than the copyright aspect.
I know your religion does not encourage you to think for yourself, but still......
Very bad form. And rude.
Mark - there are a group of guys like him on another forum I know of. They have lots of such cut-n-paste items saved on their PC. They spend all their time trying to prove Islam as the greatest religion ever, the one and only truth, etc. Its best to ignore folks like him.
I know - I started a thread about this recently after finding a christian website that suggested people cut and paste from their site to use as arguments against people who choose not to believe their stuff:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14169
Which goes to one of my core arguments against most religions in that they discourage people from thinking for themselves.
Not really sure what one would hope to achieve by doing this.- Mark! what a funny guy you are
For your kind info religions have books which are to be followed.
Only in ISMs you can do and think anything you want, whether kill, butcher, rape, sex, loot, raid, plunder, gamble, decieve drink, ............ the list does not seem to endLOL - Yours is just another ISM - which allows lying apparently.
For your kind information - I do not lie. I do not take other people's words and pretend they are my own.You mean you have had an original thought? Here I thought there was nothing new under the sun! How wrong I was.
Seriously though, none of us can claim uniqueness when it comes to language. Everything we know we learned from others.In that sense, we don't own our thoughts/words as its originators.
Speak for yourself dj. I am not a religionist so I am allowed independent thoughts once in a while.
That is not the point I was making though.Yes, agreed.
Even in creation, no body is able to create a unique thing that we have never seen before, for instance, scientists create robots which resembles humans, insects or animals already created by ALLAH.
hhmmm, i did not pretend the references are my own. I openly admit it and giving an authentic reference is a good practice. You seem to be an atheist. Now if i say something against atheism, even with valid proof, it will not matter at all because i am a lay man and if i give you some valid references of some well known personalities with their vast vision, experiance and supporting evidences then it matters a slight.
Now, if have something nice to say on it then come to http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14597You cut and pasted something and gave no reference. Only after I pointed this out did you admit they were not your words.
I have nothing nice to say about your ridiculous statements on the other thread.I am not even sure what you are saying here either.
"valid proof"? What is that exactly?I don't have access to the dictionary you appear to be using. Your ignorance of science and language is quite astounding.
First of all, i do not cut
rather copy and paste. This action is done only for the valid references. It's very legall and you can also do it.Adding a link to make a point of reference is not what you are doing. Legality has nothing to do with it. This is a moral issue. You are cutting and pasting other people's words and attempting to pass them of as your own. This is lying. Isn't that a punishable offense against Allah?
I've seen all that pseudo-scientific stuff before, in a printed book claiming to prove that Islam predicted modern science. Unfortunately, vague phrases that can be interpreted retrospctively to have been prophecies carry no weight as argument.
What you are saying is that the Quran can be said to be in accordance with rigorous scientific discoveries, therefore where it diverges completely even from the field of scientific study, it should be taken to be absolutely true.
Sorry, but your argument doesn't stand up.If there is a choice between two things to eat A and B. And you have to choose only one of them to survive.
A is 80% pure
B is 20% pure
Which one will you prefer ???Pure what? Pure drivel, maybe.
Look - if have a box of clock parts and I shake them all together, will they turn into a clock? No of course they won't. But that, and all other baby metaphors, do not constitute sensible argument. Apart from quoting scripture and other people's leavings, you've not said anything yet to support your case.Imagine, without typical metaphores, how boring the lecture of a teacher will be, how boring will be the speach of Obama, how difficult to make a child understand, how difficult to explain the theory of reletivity
Therefore, relevant metaphores are a MUST to use for a good writing and speach
How pompous and arrogant of you to claim that. No wonder tolerance of other religions doesn't come naturally to people like you.
i am very tolerant, i did'nt kill you yet
Rajabilil and others on here who are supposed to understand Islam, please check this out:
http://hubpages.com/hub/islamicsects
and tell me what you think.
ThanksAlso click on http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT
Please refer to the books written by NON MUSLIM celebrated Historians. I stressed on Non Muslims because most of the readers do not agree with the Muslim Hisorians.
http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXTIn the near future i will be writing a hub (INSHA ALLAH) mentioning some of the beautiful, informative websites worth visiting because most of the non muslims and muslims alike access some wrong websites which does clearly delivers the true message of Islam and these kind of sites are just injected into the NET for maligning and degrading ISLAM and promoting PRAGMATISM (successor of ATHEISM), CAPITALISM AND ZIONISM.
- Direxmdposted 16 years ago0
I appreciate the good side of Islam, Christianity & Judaism. I understand the hypocracy, violence and hatred that have occured, and will continue to occur--there is only so much I can do. I just want to save a life, help others out, and maybe teach someone peace (once I learn that abstract concept myself, in it's most pure state [but even then, what is that?])
Religion is how you translate it, I don't think there is any "religion of peace", since humans are all different, translate religion different, and thus violence may occur (sometimes on global, genocidal levels).
I'm not understating the seriousness of religious violence, I just understand why it occurs, and the psychology behind it. A calm mind acts quicker, swifter and more precisely.
Selamwhat do u mean there is no religion of peace...as far as i'm concern there is no religion that does not promote peace...all religion promotes freedom, kindness and good deeds...it's just us as an individual take this thing for granted which explains the violence and hatred amongst each other
I fail to understand why people fight in the name of God and religion. God must be laughing at all of us thinking what kind of jokers HE has created. Religion is nothing but a road map to reach the Almighty and there is nothing wrong in having different road maps. We have all the time in the world to say our map is better than his road map. Time we all grow up.
Too many roads to choose from. Trouble is, they are ALL dead ends. Even if they could reach the "gate", they will find it shut.
Jesus is that gate, and many will not be able to go through. (for obvious reasons).Jay
sometimes it might be the case
but sometimes people need to discuss with love to have a strong faith
both cases may coexist , I hope we would be from the last type
thanx- Yes, it's time to grow up and do not count 2+2=5.
Dear, If ISLAM claims to be the final word of God and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the final messenger of God whom each and every human being must follow then their is a reason for that and the foremost reason is that the same message is prophecised in alimost all ohter religious scriptures and they instruct their followers to start following ISLAM if you find it.
So now, what's the problem in accepting ISLAM if your own religions are directing you.But FSM came after islam. Surely this is the true religion to follow? Did you try what I suggested? You will feel much better afterwards.
You probably won't be afraid of gay people any more either.
We dont get affraid. Remember, we dont join army to earn
homosexuality
and more more
of course some diseases are not only becauce of homosexuality
And therein lies the ridiculous contradiction of your irrational beliefs. Islam is another religion of hate and intolerance.
That is why I asked the original question. You said the people were forbidden. Don't see how you can do that.
Do you think homosexuals should be punished?you may need to read more and write less
do not just repeat what people say
where did I say that
qute me please
no if they didn't do it in public
and for myself , honestly , I don't either love or hate themi thought that up all by myself thanks. Unlike yourself - I can think for myself instead of parroting stuff from a 1600 year old hate manual.
Try thinking for yourself instead of just repeating the stuff in your book. You might see how irrational you are being.
If you come to my country (Indonesia), you'll see the majority of Indonesians are Muslims, many of the Muslim women wear veils, with variety of clothes; long pants, skirts, or long dresses. We go to school, study in university, get married, and raise our children.
We do what other people all around the world do everyday; go to work and earn some money. None of my family members thinks of blowing him self or hurts others who aren't Muslims, what for? It's busy enough taking care of our own families, why bother doing irrational things such as hurting others?
About homosexuality, actually that is not the only thing forbidden in Islam. Muslims are also not allowed to drink alcohol, pork meat, or engaged in sexual relationship unless they are married.
Whether one likes it or not, when one embraces Islam, he must follow the rules. That way, he can show God (Allah) that he has become the good follower.
BUT, God (Allah) says in Quran that there's no force for anyone to embrace Islam. Being a Muslim or not is a man's choice, even those who have embraced Islam the first time must never force others to do the same, let alone hurt them.
About some Muslims who prefer do the 'harsh' ways, I think the problem is not as easy as calling them 'terrorists'. Even us Indonesians had to fight over our freedom for 350 years before the first president proclaimed Indonesia's Independence in 1945. Long before the year, we fought Portuguese, Netherlands, UK, and Japan's colonial governments and troops who came to Indonesia and tried to rule us. I think the same thing may be happening to the Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, or Afghanistan right now. Maybe it's because we're seeing the battle now, that we address them as terrorists. Perhaps, hundreds of years later, our grandsons don't even recognize any battle that has ever happened there because the countries have become a safe, prosperous, free places to live.
All in all, I think it's very rude to accuse and generalize that all Muslims are 'terrorists' and Islam is 'another religion of hate and intolerance'. Muslims are just like any other people in the world who want peaceful life to live (so are the Christians, Buddhists, Hindus). The rules in Islam are set only for the followers, when you're a Muslim you should obey them but you don't have to if you're not. NONETHELESS, being a Muslim is choice, not a force.
Forgive my lack in English.I think you should read a few of the other posts and threads - see how many of them are clearly showing hatred and intolerance towards gay people.
They do not seem to have a problem with people eating bacon sandwiches, but the gay thing is obviously intolerant.
And your English is fine.Just like your attitude towards religion in general, 'twin.'
Like I said - if you have nothing to say why bother? I mean - I am up for a good argument, but your inane one liners are unlikely to do much for me.
Try saying something - go ahead - I will argue with you. Or does your religion rely solely on antagonizing people? Do you even have any opinions that are not negative one liners?
When the Creator wants you to have women then why you run after GAYISM ?????????????????????????????????????
Maybe your creator is a homophobe like you?
so much people say islam is old and intolerate,here I found not that evidence but people who never know islam itself
Posting in an epic trainwreck thread, as per usual.
See you guys next week!Aren't you glad you suggested a religion forum?
I am, there are gems in this forum, mostly threads that don't have ten pages of back and forth arguments!
- fierycjposted 16 years ago0
It never ceases to kill me how muslim extremists are so eager to blow themselves up. I mean, here's the rest of the world taking medical checkups, eating low carb diets, exercising, doing therapy, yoga and all what not just to keep alive, and these guys just go along, strapping their chests with loads of C4, and blowing themselves into smithereens. It gets me all the time.
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Those who blow themselves up killing innocents can not be justified at all in Islam.
But now consider the case of those whose, innocent mothers, daughters, sisters and wives were raped, tortured and killed ruthlessly in front of them after tying them up, whose respectfull fathers were beaten to death in front of their eyes, properties and belongings looted, houses captured and destroyed, tell me what will be their state of mind??? Do you expect them to roast a lamb and distribute candies to Israeli and American soldiers????????????????????????????????????????
I belong to a Muslim family, never once has my parents disapproved my being friends with people belonging to other religions or castes. I may not be the perfect Muslim, but I do pray & read the Quran & I have yet to come across any statements that encourages killing, hurting or even verbally abusing any individual be it Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Christians etc. The Quran states that humans hold the most prestigious position among all living beings.
The extremist groups who are spoiling the name of Islam are not Muslims in any sense of the word! They are just against humanity and they will duly suffer the consequences in life or at the day of judgment. It saddens me when people compare & fight over religions and nationalities. No religion promotes such profanities, it is the people who hav wrong perceptions & we are all accountable for what is happening in the world today.
If we hope for world peace, we all need to join hands & come together for fighting against extremism and all the causes that are promoting differences among all.I challenge that we can not fight extremism by ignoring the fact and influence of Zionism the world over. Do you know what Zionism is??? The extremists which people talk about do not have any businesses, jobs or bank accounts then who is providing them MONEY, FOOD and WEAPONS??? Think about it.
Now we are getting to what your religion is really all about.
Just another ISM.I did not ever say to become ignorant of these issues, i was merely stating my opinion regarding the religious debate. People everywhere hold wrong perceptions about our religion, If we start calling them names as well, wat would be the difference among us all? Our religion teaches us the msg of peace & patience. The same qualities among many were practiced by Mohammad PBUH. He did not seek revenge from his enemies even after He gained victory over Makkah.
I am well aware of these extremists & the propaganda surrounding the whole Islamic teaching concept. either way we Muslims are being targeted in the name of war against terror, wat about those poor innocent people who have been deprived of their homes, properties, even their basic needs. People have lost their relatives, family members etc. Its not that easy to start fighting or conducting a war against anyone, everyone overlooks the after effects of such issues.you are most welcome and by the way i or other muslims did not created the names like ZIONISM, ZIONISTS, FREEMASONS, NEW CONSERVATIVES etc. These names were given by themselves. If you have any beautiful names for them, do not hasitate to suggest them
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You do understand you are debating with an enlightened one, a messenger of god who has written one book and got ranked over the Holy Quran.
usmanali-'Regarding me, i am nothing, i am just a lay man,'
Mohit- "I am not a layman."
I know god for myself , I dont have to believe anyone including the pope or a sage,I work for him smile
And here comes the megalomaniac again, mohit get back on your pills!Truth doesn't change because you cannot handle it.
Just pointing out your propensity to let your ego run the race.
Speaking the truth.If you had written a book got ranked over Holy Bibles, Holy Qurans,top 10 poetry, top philosophy-Religious, top 10 spiritualism and mentioned it - it would be called truth.Only a foolish megalomaniac , zealot would come and abuse you in case you were really that person.
You are the meglomaniac, the idiot, the zealot, the fool, the swine.
He he! You are as weak as piss mohit. You lose your cool pretty easy ay?
Glad you liked a dose of your own medicine- hope it feels really nice.
Nothing going on here.You speak, you say who you are!
i just want to laugh here (not on any particular) ... please let me ...
Mohit and Earnest!
Can't you two bear with each other. Earnest really have some big problem with Mohit. I don't know what's that???You don't? Try reading this.
mohitmisra wrote:
earnestshub wrote:
mohitmisra wrote:
Speaking the truth.If you had written a book got ranked over Holy Bibles, Holy Qurans,top 10 poetry, top philosophy-Religious, top 10 spiritualism and mentioned it - it would be called truth.
Here we go with the megalomania again.
You are the meglomaniac, the idiot, the zealot, the fool, the swine.
The list grows...usmanali81 and me are having a nice debate, kindly stay out of it as you don't understand what we are talking about.
Have I lied about my book rankings that you call me names? If I had not written a book and got ranked and then you called me names I would accept it but why should I take your abuse when I am speaking the truth? I have never come to your business forum and abused you.
This is a religious forum, i don't believe that has anything to do with business, unless you are trolling here for sales of your book.
And I am a very highly ranked religious poet/philosopher is simple truth.Means I am very qualified to be here and express my views and I do not lie.
Your ranking is negligible except on two sites, your poetry is infantile, and how much you know about nothing astounds me.
anyway you wanna take the discussion to some place and he wants to take it to another
don't you get it
he is saying , I dont need to know what they mean because they don't worth that
and we are called Muslims ya MarksistMy thought is that Islam is as good as any other religion. It is only a group of people who are earning bad name to this religion. Recently there was some "Racial Discrimination" against Indians in the US and Australia. We cannot say all Americans or Australians are IDEOTS or Terrorists because of these incidents. South Africa and even the US have witnessed the war of supremacy between the BLACK and the WHITE. It is only a group of people.
Leaving right now as i have to do some shooting practice
Wa salam ( Peace be upon you)You shall not murder!!!
and brain wash kids to die for you..
Thats all Ive got to say about thatonly if some one wanted to kill or control you
violence is solved with love but with violence sometimes"These wars are justified or are they lame?
It is with love and not terror does the One get tame."
Don't click on the picture. It is a spam journalism site. If you don't want any unwanted cookies or bugs- I would stay away!
What a crappy move Guidebaba!!Many wars have, and still being fought in the name of God.
Who-evers name it is done is still wrong!
Any god
Any man
WrongProbably you are right about others reading and making up there minds(if not the intended target). I will see about how I feel and decide whether to participate. I sometimes feel drained when the point I am trying to make doesn't seem to go through. Thanks for the encouragement.
My pleasure - he will be back tomorrow after terrorist training school.
usmanali80 Wrote the following
Dear Mark!
I respect you as an elderly man.
usmanali81 why respect someone only because they are elderly, which Mark is not by the way.
I agree with Mark, you are rude in the extreme! Not all people are controlled by some invisible entity so that they will behave out of fear. Some of us have the capacity to control and deal with our own processes and do not need to be told that we are somehow less than you because we have chosen to think for ourselves.I have nothing against any religion including Islam. In fact I do not believe in Religion. It is the single most destructive institution that man has ever created.It has divided people and most of the religious leaders are nothing but criminals. we don't need religion to guide us..
we need perfect rules to guide us , don't we ?
people are not perfectReligion isn't perfect either - in fact, some religions are more dangerous than people themselves. People who blow up other people state they do so because of their religion and its teachings - don't they? Why is it that they interpret their religion differently than some others following the same religion?
it might be because they would act bad with or without religion interpretations
it is their nature , don't you think ?they may fight for the ideology if religions'v never existed
If it is in their nature and religion doesn't have to do anything with it --- then why claim one religion is better / perfect / the true religion / etc ?
Just accept that they are good and bad people in all religions and the good shall go to Heaven and the bad shall go to Hell (if you believe in God). Why categorize some as "infidels" and condemn them and say they will go to Hell, etc?
That's intolerance - don't you think??I think
may be because God wanted us to worship him by his way
(simply not having partners with him)
he may wanted to test us to know whether we would think our religion is better because of ego or because we are grateful to him
a true religion is approached by loving God & people without seeking fame or anything else
people should love eachother and show others the way of good
we do this as we are grateful to whom created us and guided us to good
people don't judge who is in hell or heaven as we don't know what in the heartspeople have rights to God
their rights to other people is included in these of God
everything goes back to himAnd this apparently includes the right to F*** 10 year old girls.
well , some aspects in life can't be taken , understood alone
don't you think ?discuss the points I wrote before
tell me where I am wrong instead of repeating specific points for your own purposes
it is about faith
no one of us was alive at the time of the prophet
A TRUTH = TRUTH
AND FALSE = FALSE
So do not mix them, when Islam claims to be the final truth now, then their is a reason for that. The foremost reason is the other religions themselves prophecised Muhammad (peace be upon him) and instructed to follow him. So, now following the outdated religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc is itself keeping our selves in DARK.
Now you must come towards the light; ISLAM-The Final Art of Living for Mankind.So everyone should convert to Islam correct?
They are obviously worshiping some other god and false prophets -correct?
The prophets spoke different truths according to you-correct?
If this is not called fanatical behavior-what is?
This like god telling his left arm to chop his right arm off- madness.
Please do understand all other religions believe there will be one more prophet after Muhammad if not a few prophets after him.After getting the real true picture, everyone SHOULD accept ISLAM and if they don't, then it's their own choice and no body can force them. Now that's BINGO
Not in this lifetime. Not even in the next though I'm very open and receptive to muslim people. Everyone can worship whatever they want and that's A-Ok with me. Not interested in your religion for myself. Sorry.
It's ok, certainly you can but the next stage of life will be based on punishment and reward. No second chance will be given in the form of new life from scratch.
Not according to your prophet who was a wise man.
Prophet Muhammad- "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam" meaning “To your be your religion, to me be mine.”
Please listen to your prophet and stop making up your own stories and in the process make him out to be some fanatic.
You are ruining the prophets name, he taught tolerance and not fanaticism.
God belongs to all and not only to those who call themselves Muslims.For your kind info, "salla allahu alayhi wa sallam" means peace be upon him. It's not to your be your religion, to me be mine.
And yes, God belongs to all and the message of ISLAM is for the whole of mankind not only for Muslims
Qur'an, Ch 2-THE COW, V 185 "Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful."Peace is what he wants , what all the prophets want.
Live and let live-Mahavira
So if god belongs to all of humanity including every religion then let people follow the religion they want to .
Some Parsees say Zaratushtra was the first recorded prophet-does that make their religion greater than any other?
Before that you had Hinduism which simply engulfed all philosophies-Hindus-Indus -the people residing by the river Indus.
When you say one cannot compare Jesus with god then you cannot say all is Allah.In your case all is not Allah. Poor god no longer omnipresent.
Bramha, Allah, Jevovah, Vishnu, Ahuramazda, Shiva...
What’s in a name?
A way to identify the same,
Geography, language is mainly to blame.
Your glory is such,
Man asks for too much.
Meditation or one pointed concentration is the key,
But who says there is no fee?Names does not matter but when a name refers to a God with 10 heads and 50 hands and sun shining behind it, that really irritates as Hinduism itself is against creating images of God so why do these Hindus do it, it's their fault not mine.
The first and the last prophet of the world does not make some one great. The greatness comes where all the religious scriptures of the world mentioned the comming of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in Arabia and instructed to follow him when you find him. That's GREATNESS, that's where the elders of other religions start personal jealousy and hide behind these verses by misquoting, misinterpreting the scriptures out of context to ordianary people.
WAKE UP ... the world is near to endSo why have mosques, aren't they equated with idols?
The hands and heads are symbolic.
You will have to remove All is Allah from your philosophy which is something you cannot do.If all is Allah then not only the prophets but every humans, animal ,thing is Allah.
You have this philosophy but turn a blind eye to it and discredit other religions.
How many times do I repeat that all other religions expect their prophet, do you really think Muhammad was Jesus who had returned or that Muhammad was a twin which the Parsees expect or that he was born into a Brahmin family, wrote and united the religions according to Hindu philosophy? NO
Look at the one in all in order to understand truth, your religion or prophets is the best is non sense.- Masjid represents the unity and disipline. It's not that we have idols there. Even some people have houses on top of Masjids and live there. Tell me which idol worshiper stands or sleeps on top of his / her idol???
So, Masjid is not an idolIf the whole world were to be dominated by Islamists then, I'd guess the top priority would be to destroy statues of Buddha and other such idols.
I am not advocating Taliban but the fact is if Bhudda was alive today, even he had destroyed these statues
Nonsense it stand for the ideal man every human can become.
Isn't it something physical?
The Buddhas statues become idols but the mosques do not- how convenient.We enter the Masjid, the followers of Bhuddas could not enter a statue. Any way Bhudda also forbidden statues but their followers built them and worshiped, it's not my fault rather the followers'
Its called respect and its just fine.
So you are saying is all is not Allah who is limited in space and does not encompass everything.Buddha was great prophet like Muhammad , how would you feel if someone had torn or blown him up.?
This my religion is the best attitude has and is only leading to ugly wars and it is not what Allah wants .This is your greed and your ego power trip which makes you say this.
"Unto Allah is your return and he is able to do all things" The Holy Quran.
Everything including every human comes and goes back to Allah and not only those who call themselves Muslims.Allah or Shiva or Jevovah is juts a name symbolizing the same great entity or God.
This is as foolish as fighting over ma or mata or mai or mater or mother saying no only ma is correct all others are wrong.
All stand for mother , its just a different name used by different languages.Yes, every one will return to Allah but Allah will not forgive those who associated partners with Him, who made images of Him, who did not followed the fullfilled prophecies regarding Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned in Bibles, Hindism, Bhuddism, Sikhism, Parsiism .......... list goes on and on
The last prophet is yet to appear accordoing to the Christians, Hindus and Parsees ,why cant you understand that.?
Sikhism was founded on the teachings of Guru Nanak who was considered as a great prophet by many and does not say Guru Nanak is not a prophet and that Muhammad was the last prophet.Which crappy books are you reading?
They have The Holy Guru Granth Sahib considered as the word of god and is a compilation of different spiritual poets who praised the light and these poets belonged to different religions- Omkara- God is one, so beautiful, no fanaticism.
Images and idols are a mark of respect for that particular saint or prophet who represent the light.They are guides who take you beyond to Allah -the Light.Mohit,
Refer to the following which clearly prophecise Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) catagorically in Hinduism and Christianity (major religions)
a)Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 5-8
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee, ‘Oye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents.”
b) Bhavishya Purana, Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhaya 3, Shloka 10-27
c) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 127, Verses 1-113 (kuntap sukla)
d) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 6
e) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn 21, Verse 7
f) Samveda, Book 2, Hymn 6, Verse 8
Guru Nanak, Guru Garanth Sahib, Osho and many others are not dwellers of Arabia but Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is.So bored with this copy-n-paste. Are you typographically challenged my friend? Come on - use your own mind for a change.
My mind is deadly sure about what is written in your books but the problem is you are not getting it. when you will get rid of saying 2+2=5
Lol - you don't have a mind to speak of. This thread is filled with reams of material you've copied from other forums/sites.
So, where does that leave you? All that you've done on this thread is to display muslims in bad light to all those who've read this thread.
You've come across as being intolerant and dismissive of anything and everything different from Islam.
Hinduism does consider Muhammad as one of the great prophets but believes there will be one more who will be born into a Brahmin family will write and unite the religions something Muhammad doesn't fit into.
a both in the ‘Panchgavya’ and the Ganges water (i.e. purging him of all time)
Did the prophet Muhammad bathe in the river Ganges?
Do you really belie people who follow the teachings of the Great Buddha or the Great Jesus Christ are wrong?
Is Jesus Christ not going to return?
Is the Maetrya or Buddhs not expected now?
The prophet Muhammad has simply repeated these philosophies which were written a long time before he came on this planet and you have quoted from the Vedas and Avestha, truth does not change over time but is timeless like god.
The prophets come and repeat the same truth when humanity has gone astray, when people abuse religions and stop following the correct path to walk.
Guru Granth Sahib is the Sikh Holy book and not a saint or prophet like Guru Nanak or Osho. It includes great Mulsim poets saints like Kabir and Farid.
Now tell me these great mystics were foolish ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Granth_Sahib
The founder of Christianity did not reduce his doctrines to writing and for them we are obliged to trust to the gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Arabian Prophet did not himself reduce to writing the chapters of the Quran. They were written or compiled by his adherents and followers. But the compositions of Sikh Gurus are preserved and we know at first hand what they taught.Dear Mohit,
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not physically take a bath in Panch gavya and the water of Ganges . Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom meaning washing away or making immune from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless i.e. ‘Maasoom’ as described by Qur'an.
Further if you read
Bhavishya Purana: Prati Sarag Parv III: Khand 3: Adhyay 3: Shalokas 10 to 27
“The Malechha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend [enemy] whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known Mahmada (Muhammad) who has been given by me, the epithet of Brahma, is busy in bringing the ‘Pishachas’ to the right path. O Raja, you need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a pischacha said to Raja Bhoj, O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatama, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing Adhan (call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation.”
This Prophecy states:
(I) The evildoers have corrupted the Arab land.
(ii) Arya Dharma is not found in that land.
(iii) The present enemies will be destroyed just as the previous enemies like Abraha had perished. The Qur’an speaks about these sorts of previous enemies: “Seest thou not how thy lord dealt with the Companions of the elephant? Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray? And He sent against them flights of Birds Striking them with stones of baked clay Then did he make them like an empty field Of stalk and straw, (of which the corn) has been eaten up. (Al Qur’an: Surah Al Fi’l: 105: 1 – 5)
(iv) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has been given the responsibility to guide the opponents of Divine Truth. Allah testifies the same responsibility in the Qur’an. (Al Qur’an: Surah Al Ma’idah: 5: 67)
(v) The Indian Raja need not go to Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the ‘Musalmaan’ meaning the Muslims will arise in India . This is what is promised by Allah that Islam will not just reach India but will prevail all over the world. (Al Qur’an: Surah Tauba: 9: 32, 33; Surah Fata’h: 48: 28; Surah Saff: 61: 9). Muhammad [pbuh] too commanded in His last sermon to all those present in the sermon to spread on earth wherever possible, in order to convey the Message of Islam in the Light of Qur’an and Authentic hadiths as mentioned in a Hadith recorded in Sahih Bukhari: vol: 4 H: 667
(vi) The coming Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] will attest the Truth of the Aryan faith i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people. This is what the purpose of Muhammad [pbuh] being sent to mankind as Messenger was and as is testified in: (Al Qur’an: Surah Ambiya: 21: 25; Surah An’am: 161 to 165)
(vii) The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tale on their heads, they will keep beards and they will create a great revolution. A similar message is mentioned in a Hadith recorded in Sahih Bukhari: vol: 7 H: 780, 781
(viii) They will announce the adhan i.e. ‘call for prayer’. Al Qur’an: Sura Ma’idah: 5: 58; Sura Jumu’ah: 62: 9 AND Sahih Bukhari: vol: 1 H: 578
(ix) He will only eat lawful things and animals, but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places: “Forbidden for you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine and that on which had been invoked the name of other than Allah…”. In Surah Al-Baqarah: 2: 173; Sura Al-Ma’idah: 5: 3; Surah Al-An’aam: 6 : 145; Surah Nahl: 16: 115
(x) They will not purify with grass like the Hindus, but by means of sword they will fight the evil-doers. The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Baqarah: 2: 191, 192; Surah Nisa: 4: 74 – 78; Surah Taubah: 9: 111
(xi) They will be called Musalmaan. Similar Message is in Surah Aal-e-Imran: 3: 64; Surah An’aam: 6: 163; Surah Fussilat: 41: 33
(xii) They will be a meat-eating nation. The Qur’an permits humans to eat herbivorous animals in Surah Ma’idah: 5: 1 and in Surah Mu’minoon: 23: 21
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Now, There is a hell of difference in RETURN and COME. The verses of Hindu Scriptures which i mentioned about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not deal with RETURN. Return is used for the one who has already come, gone away and will return / come back. So, these verses in Hinduism is giving a prediction that the last Prophet by the name of Muhammad (pbuh) will come (not return) whom you will need to follow.
For Mahdi, Muslims do not believe he will return or he will be the Prophet, no, not at all. It's only a prediction about a Muslim man among others named Mahdi who will lead the people of the world as a just and honest Muslim leader / Caliph near the end of time and during this time Jesus (pbuh) will also return (come back).
The sole purpose of Jesus(pbuh)'s return, will be for disproving the false concepts of Christians regarding TRINITY, CRUCIFICATION, DIVINITY etc and not as a new prophet. Jesus (pbuh) will not bring any new revelation. Read the following verse from Bible which Jesus (pbuh) is going to tell to christians on his return.
Gospel of Mathew: Ch 7:V 22
22. "Many will say to me on that day, 'My Lord, my Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name cast out demons and in your name perform great powers?'
23. "And then I will declare to them that, I never knew you, go away from me, workers of abomination.
Also Jesus (pbuh) on his return will kill the Anti-Christ for whom these Freemasons, Zionists are eagerly waiting and forcing to establish New World Order which paves a spineless path for Anti-Christ to come and rule the world with tyranny, injustice and magic of Ancient Egyptians and Kabbalah.
For further clarification regarding Jesus (pbuh), Kindly go through http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUHPlease do a search on avatars and you will understand Kalki is supposed to come now and and not fifteen hundred years ago.
You are saying Jesus will return and at te same time Muhammad is the last prophet. so what will Jesus be when he returns.
http://www.hindunet.org/avatars/
Of the ten universally recognized avatars, nine have already manifested whereas the tenth is yet to appear.
It is important to note that the all the Avatars are earthly form of Lord Vishnu , who himself is eternal, unchangeable and immutable.The sole purpose of Jesus (pbuh)'s return, will be for disproving the false concepts of Christians regarding TRINITY, CRUCIFICATION, DIVINITY etc and not as a new prophet. Jesus (pbuh) will not bring any new revelation. Read the following verse from Bible which Jesus (pbuh) is going to tell to christians specially popes and priests on his return.
Gospel of Mathew: Ch 7:V 22
22. "Many will say to me on that day, 'My Lord, my Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name cast out demons and in your name perform great powers?'
23. "And then I will declare to them that, I never knew you, go away from me, workers of abomination.
Also Jesus (pbuh) on his return, will kill the Anti-Christ for whom these Freemasons, Zionists are eagerly waiting and forcing to establish New World Order which paves a spineless path for Anti-Christ to come and rule the world with tyranny, injustice and magic of Ancient Egyptians and Kabbalah.
For further clarification regarding Jesus (pbuh), Kindly go through http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUHDidn't Muhammad repeat what had been said many thousands of years before him.The prophets come to reiterate the same truth.The truth doesn't change, its timeless like god.
Yes, the truth remains the same. What you are talking about is the basic truth: Follow only ONE God-Allah. In addition to that there are several other things, there are several other does and don'ts which were somewhat same as well as different from book to book. For example, the prophecy as an instruction to follow the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) when he comes is there in almost all the religious scriputes of the world but is not there in Qura'n because Qur'an itself was revealed on Prophet Muhammd (pbuh).
So, the basic message is the same but depending upon different situations, circumstances and mental levels of the people of different times the particular books were revealed and for the people who are near the end of time, the book is QUR'AN, for you as well as for me.Follow the truth of the messengers which is the same.Have respect for the all the prophets and religions equally.
For example, the prophecy as an instruction to follow the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad -how many times do I have to repeat that most geat relgions are waiting for the last prophet who will unite the religions as all are children of god.
You agree he spoke nothing new so live and let live.
Would you try and teach Muhammad about god? My work is being ranked in the same league as the Holy Quran, dont you think you can learn the truth about god from me?Muslims respect all the prophets more than any other.
Regarding the prophecy, it had been fullfilled more than 1400 years ago, i mentioned the verses of Hindu Scriptures to you in detail. So what are you waiting for, Antichrist???You are very thick skinned and fanatical.Please read what I have written about different religions expecting their prophet now as I am sick and tired of repeating it.
Why don't you write a book and get ranked over the Holy Quran since you believe you have a better understanding about god than I do.?
Since all the prophets spoke the same truth why in the world should everyone follow Muhammad?
You agree they spoke the same truth so what sense does it make? Is it because he is your prophet and you belong to Islam?
Oh sure -- the most important thing to God is to punish those who've made images of him - ridiculous!!
You cannot respect his prophets, he gets angry and doesn't allow you to come home.
Usmanali has changed the philosophy to all is not Allah who has suddenly become limited in his capacity. Poor god is no longer omnipresent.I think from your point of view, the punishment must first be given to the naked on the beaches.
Why are you irritated by differences? That's intolerant - if you can't accept another way of life, being lived by another group of people. How does that affect you? Why should you be bothered by any of that? They are not telling you how you should live - so why are you so affected by it?
The answer is your perceived superiority about your religion and about yourselves as a people.
"Wake up" - you say -- are we all asleep according to you Well, speaks volumes for the arrogant attitude of Muslims like you. Intolerance seems to be in-built in Islam, if I were to go by your utterances.- there are a lot of similarities between your religion and mine even i am following the prophecies regarding Qur'an, Islam, Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned in your religions.
The differences which you have got with me are the same as you have got with your own religion, i think it's Hinduism. You are not following the fulfilled prophecies but i do and yes that's the differenceLol - I have got no differences with my own religion. My religion isn't rigid and unflexible. I don't have to take literally even word and phrase written in my books - unlike you. Beheadings and chopping off hands need not be practiced in my religion to conform to the book. And I glad it is that way
hhmmm, your religion is flexible, go ahead, STEAL
Doesn't seem to stop you does it? I have watched you stealing other people's words and pretending they are your own. THIEF!
nice head Mark, you seem to visit the shoe maker frequently ... ha ... m i right
Its the same message by all prophets, religions are brothers and should not fight with each other as to which is the superior one.
i am just defending
. The attacks are from your side
You say "no body can force." Unfortunately (from your perspective) muslims don't have the power to enforce Islam on others in this age. If they had the power, such intolerance as shown by you, would ensure that they did use power to convert.
where did i show intolerance in my sentence. Infact, i said "and if they don't, then it's their own choice and no body can force them."
Who are you to sit in judgment of "truth" and "false?" Who gave you and your co-religionists the right to sit in judgment of that? You just prove the fact by your postings - the fact that you are an intolerant lot.
You and others like you are just like the Taliban in mindset -- you have just covered yourselves with a veneer of apparent modernity.
It is funny to see people like you drown in your own propaganda. Please yourself and believe in your grand delusions -- for you have nothing better to do than to try and prove the "greatness" of your own religion.
And people wonder why Islam breeds intolerance? With an attitude like that - should one wonder why the Taliban destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan? Its intolerance and it seems to be a hallmark of much of your co-religionists.- may be Taliban was trying to teach Bhudhas, not to worship statues as Bhudism also denounces images of God.
Regarding judgments, i did not made it, these are the judgments made by your own scriptures, you don't believe it, go ahead, enjoy!
ISLAM is the only perfect way of life remained to be followed. Islam does not promote killing.
"There is no need to change your faith,
And on your old religion lay a wreath."
Like I said before only someone who is ignorant about god will try and convert someone and only an equally ignorant person will convert.
Also you mentioned the Parsees living in Iran , they escaped into caves and mountains when the massacre was taking place and came out of hiding years later when the madness had stopped.No religion in the world promotes killing , all promote peace and oneness.
The prophet has understood the oneness of this entire cosmos and shares this message .
God exists in everything.
There is no such thing as a "perfect way." Such words indicate an arrogant mindset that says --- my way is the only way, the only true way and all other ways are trash, etc, etc. Which is what you have been trying to prove unsuccessfully here.
If Islam does not promote killing:
1. Why are so many of those who carry out terrorist attacks Muslims?
2. Why do they justify their actions in the name of Islam --- obviously some verses are open to interpretation - aren't they?
You may say it does not promote killing -- however, what is the ground reality? Are they not killing and don't they expect to be rewarded by Allah?There are some things which are perfected by Allah, your Lord and my Lord
Ch 3-The Table, V 3"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Those who blow themselves up killing innocents can not be justified at all in Islam.
These SWAT talibans are mercenaries, we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing. These are enough evidence that these people are bought by Zionists and are misused for maligning Islam. Further the weapons which they use are totally Russian and Indian made.
Regarding ground realities. Read this http://hubpages.com/hub/READ-NEXT"we found genetically engineerd dates alomst equals the lenght of a hand and burgers in a foreign packing."
Lol - is that the best you've got to explain the Taliban? So, let me see. What you are saying is that the Taliban was created and air-dropped into Pakistan/Afghanistan? Is it?
Where did these enlightened Taliban gain their education from? Which madrassas were they? Do I hear madrassas in Pakistan?
Oh wait - but I can see another Zionist conspiracy theory being put forward to that as wellShill1987,
i am really very sorry about your mental condition, any way, there are 100s of more methods to drop them in Pakistan, for example, by road, 100s of roads lead to Pakistan from IRAN, INDIA, CHINA, AFGHANISTAN, RUSSIA and there are 100s of no mans lands in these territories where these mercenaries get their training from Zionits.
Further, there are different tribes and groups in some of these areas. Zionists also use to buy the elders of some trouble making groups, train them, feed them with dumps of food, weapons, money, ideas. These things then automatically distributed to the people under a group lead by it's elder.
Now you will ask how Zionits come in these territories??? They come via HONARARY MASONS most of whom work as PMs and Presidents of the countries involved. Also some of the leading businessmen, diplomats, higher officials are hired as honarary masons who help them achive their goals. Ultimatly, Zionts buy people from both sides and watch them fighting, killing and butchering and that's the prerequisite of the awaited Antichrist-One eyed Dajjal
By the way how you got your training for degrading Islam by making such foolish replies.Lol - who are you kidding? The Taliban were neither air-dropped from the skies not transported via roads. They studied in madrassas in Pakistan. Face facts, instead of living in denial.
come on, go ahead, right a book on my replies, the book will get best sellers award
I see that you've run out of copy-n-paste stuff. Oh dear - why don't you visit some of your favorite Islamist forums for some inspiration. You are at a complete loss for words aren't you?
- i think you are in the wrong place, go to a beach and count the number of naked people there.
This forum's title is ISLAM.
I have written a book and its got ranked over the Holy Quran so what advice do you have for me?
You need a visit for sure. But, I wonder if the psychiatrist would remain sane after a Q&A session with you
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Truth is arrogant for the common man but simply truth for the awakened one.
You should visit a doctor for trying to teach me about god or Allah or Jevovah or Shiva.
Muslims have told me your book is so easy to understand god but the Quran is too complicated. Couldn't understand god after reading the Quran but got a better understanding after reading your book. This is true for almost all spiritual books, they are just too complicated for the common man and can very easily be misunderstood.For better understanding of Qur'an you have to read the traditions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
I understand the Quran or Allah better than you do.I have read about the prophet.Dont you think a spiritual writer ranked over the Quran would have a better understanding than most humans or at least you.? Do you think you can write on god and get ranked over the Quran, be one the same page as the Holy Quran and Holy Bible ?
- students of Madrassas are still studying there.
In other words - they were not air-dropped or transported via road by Zionists but are the creation of your own madrassas - that brainwash young kids to hate all things Western, to hate music, to hate modernity, etc.
Just to add ---- there are no "perfect rules." That's a myth. And no religion can claim to have laid down "perfect rules" for people to follow!!!
may be you are right
but people can't know the perfect rules when they see it because they are not perfectMyths are ISMs bassed on Pagan ideologies. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14597
hhmmm...World War I and II were not the product of relgions rather the ideologies were from ISMs and none of the ISMs believe in the ONE God-Allah.
So, look at the history, even today and then make your decision again.
If Islam is the religion of peace
then what religion do the 'taliban' follow? .....yea right!Doesn't quite answer the question --- don't you think?
You know the time when the Taliban were ruling Afghanistan, I came across so any muslims on online discussion forums (all educated ones) who were praising the Taliban for implementing the "true Islamic way." Now, I ask you this --- were they all wrong?
Now, of course, a lot of them shy away from owning up to the Taliban openly -- because they've gotten so much bad press. But, still they argue that they were essentially good people --- and still are good people. So, there seems to be a confusion amongst muslims as to what to make of the Taliban.
Why this confusion. Why don't they all share unqualified outrage at what they Taliban did and still do?I don't know
I am just trying to say that some people act due to their religions but in fact they are not told anywhere to kill innocents
I don't really know them to judge them
but it could be just the case of chosing between two bad alternatives
I think the Taliban were very extreme in implementing Islam
you are right
it is so much contraversial
I haven't really met one of the Taliban
but if they are killing innocents people then I am completely against them
and I am more against those who kill more innocents than the Taliban do (The US army)
what do the Taliban still do ?
best regards
- sandieganlizposted 15 years ago0
All I got to say is obviously "rajabilal" posted this forum to create a strong debate and stir up controversy.
Are you joking... ranked over Quran and Bible in Sales/Popularity? How come I have never heard of you?
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