I would like to take this time to show appreciation and gratitude to the true believers out there. Some of the Christians on HP have presented themselves so eloquently, it has given me a new respect for Christians. Those of you who have maintained integrity, and defended your beliefs, have been really inspiring. My hat's off to you.
This thread is all about hope and glory. This is a thread to restore the spirit of the true believer. I invite you to use this thread to give glory to God. If that is what you want to do, I think this is a great place to do it.
In that post you stated,"So, it is time for me to stop interacting here. I will leave you in peace to congratulate each other about how much you "love" everyone and looking forward to the party you will be enjoying in heaven."
So what happened? I didn't agree with much that you ever said, but I always thought you at least had integrity. I guess not.
Thank you, Precious Pearl. I truly believe that this thread has worked to mend some bridges. I think, regardless of religion, God would rather see us all getting along together. We're all here for the same reason.
Believers are loved because they give us hope in something miraculous and the freedom to reach beyond what we know and strive for what could be. In belief is potential and in potential possibility. In Christ I find the possibility to rise above my own faults and mistakes and through belief move closer to a better me then has ever been, and I see that in helping others and loving them for the priceless individuals that they are that I open myself up to in turn be loved and helped. But that's just my opinion.
I should give more thanks to you, Sanctus. You believe your faith is weak, but you shined with eloquence yesterday. You gave everyone pause. If you want to give the glory to God, go ahead, but you did his work yesterday.
Welcome Jane and INVICTUS! I was moved by your posts as well. Jane, I am glad you have never felt "hated" by anyone on the religious posts. Keep your faith and your good attitude and you will be able to change the climate of the religious forums for the better.
I am a firm believer in God, always have been without a shadow of a doubt. But that is my own personal belief and not yours so I keep it to myself. In the end we all die and then and only then will we be judged. Not by some looney tune on a Forum, lol that's all Folks
I believe in God too and try to keep it more personal. I think some of the Christians have been kind about sharing their faith, but others are more aggressive. The non-religious may appear hostile to some, but I think they are just irritated about someone telling them what they have to believe. With the non-religious people at least I do not feel judged by my actions as I do with some of the staunch Christians. At the end of the day I just do not enjoy arguing religion. Could people on all sides be more polite about it, absolutely! Of course the best way to achieve that goal might be to write hubs on religion rather than post on the forum. I noticed on hubs there is just usually a different tone. Not better or worse, just usually a bit less heated.
Hi Sandra, Sweetie, and A Texan Welcome to a kinder, gentler, Christian forum. Whether you are a believer, or non-believer, you have contributed to the cause. I am considered a "non-believer" because I don't adhere to the dogma, but I do see the beauty of the faith. Also, I want to see if a non-contraversial thread can survive among the forums. The thread about "hate" thrived. I want to see how long a thread about "love" will last.
What a lovely tribute, Davina. I am a nonbeliever, but I have great respect for many, many believers on this site. I learn valuable lessons from many of them daily, in my life and here. I think the climate here is about to change for the better, so many reasons... This thread being one of them. Thanks for posting this.
Thank you for contributing, Wordscribe. A lot of us "non-believers" were slandered with the "hate" thread. I think it is most beneficial for us to speak out and say that we may not believe the way the "believers" do, but we still respect their intelligence and respect their right to speak out. I hope that some of the angry Christians will read this and know that there is nothing to be angry about.
I'm a believer, but in the strictest accords of the church I am seen as a non-believer, as I dare to mix science with my religion.
For me, I see a need for staunch believers and non-believers alike, as one grounds us to the physical world we live in and the other reminds us of the ethereal world awaiting us when we pass on.
I think the think that pleases me most about this thread is that it's a bunch of people getting together to say they are okay with religion and that they chose not to fight about it.
Let everyone live as they will, I say ... for it is their job to tend to their own sheep.
And Badco, I also knew you were religious, but like myself, you keep it inside of yourself and don't force it upon others. You also keep an open mind to every thing around you. That's what makes you are.
I do feel more comfortable with the non-believers, but only because they don't pass judgment upon me and are willing to acknowledge the small personal successes I have. As such, I would prefer to drink beer with the dregs than to sip wine with the kings and queens.
Does any of that make sense?
(and here's a hug for you Davinagirl ... ya earned it)
It's a funny thing that title, Christian. Originally it meant those who follow Christ or the Christ. Yet today many of those who would call themselves that live in a way that Christ abhorred and rejected. Religion, tradition, dogma, rituals, all these things Jesus stood against and opposed. He came that a person could talk directly to God at any time in anyway without need for an intermediary or rite. however Christianity has become just what Christ opposed. Many that call themselves believers differ from the Jewish authorities of Jesus day in name only.Many though but not all. The truth of the matter is most Christians are humble loving people merely trying to live a life of love and servitude towards man. To say you are not a believer because you can't follow the Dogma or rituals is not really right though you are allowing those who deem themselves worthy to define your faith. You are a believer more pure then most.Your faith is your own and your relationship with God an intimate and personal thing.
To even the atheist out there I would say that you too have a relationship with God, just a strained and distant one. On your deathbed I would not be surprised that you meet God regardless of what you believed on earth and he will welcome you all the same just as a shepherd rejoices over the lost sheep that was found.I hate to use this cliche but I have found it to be simple and true, I too was once far from God I shook my fist at him often and dared him to show his face to me, but he never did. So I lost my belief but he never lost his in me. Now i do see his face every time I look in the mirror. Not to say that I am God but that he is in me, I see him in every face I pass by and in every faith and view.I do not believe that you can say you believe in the almighty God then ridicule the things he created on this earth, when you do you are ultimately expressing doubt towards his judgment, and aligning yourself towards another who does the same.
I know that when I walk in my fathers presence many years from now that I will see many a Hindu, Jew , and Buddhist close at hand, except that I won't see them as who they were on earth or what they believe. I will see them revealed for who they are just another child of God and I will rejoice to be reunited with my fellow children of God. To all those whom some would label Non-believer I say cast off that title. Just as I might sin, I am not a sinner, I am just a man. You may not believe in Christian theology but that doesn't make you a non-believer, just an individual searching for your own truth.
People with a quiet faith shine. They don't have to preach. But I also think that the confrontational stuff serves a purpose for both sides. It's just that, once you get past it, you're past it. It's enough.
That sounds snottier than I really mean it. Some people have to work things out vocally, loudly, and for a long time. It's just kinda who they are.
They do shine Pam. I can still see that shine when I think of many wonderful religious friends.
Their beliefs are evident in every thing they do for the world with respect and love daily.
One of my dear friends is a minister in an inner city church. He is an older man, yet has the respect of all the street dwellers, and homeless kids that are sadly in our city. He never speaks about his religion at all, he just lives it all day and night helping to bring love to these people.
When he sees adversity his eyes change with his strong inner faith something takes place. I have seen him cry openly in the situation and then the sad eyes change to a quiet determination that is not easy to ignore.
He is in his eighties and in my view a very powerful human.
Have to agree with the above, Davina - you have started such a nice thread that I even ended my self-imposed exile from the religion forum. Is it just me, or is there a dangerous plague of moderates taking over this thread?
BadCo, Yoshi, Scott - You pretty much summed everything up. I walk my own spiritual path and I am happy with that. I have no pressing need to convert anybody to my way of thinking - folks will find their own way in life
How refreshing is this thread! I am fairly new to these forums and since my faith is the most important thing tomeI gravitated to the ones on God.This Is the first one I have been in that is all about Love! To me God is my breath and my life! He has kept me safe through the storms in my life. There is a verse somewhere in the Bible that says with-in him I live and move and have my being. It took me along time to understand that verse for myself. But now it makes sense. I am the fish and he is the water.The water provides everything the fish needs, air, food, It surrounds the fish and it fills the fish as air fills our lungs. Again thank you for starting this thread!
I was telling my husband how grateful I was for this thread because my mother was rushed to the hospital this morning with, what we thought, might be a heart attack. I had to wait to find out whether she was okay, or not, and while I waited I started this thread. I was comforted by the spirit of community. If there is a God in Heaven, I know he is smiling down upon us, now. You all have comforted me more than you will know. My mother is okay. It wasn't a heart attack. I owe you all a debt of gratitude because you don't know me, but you have shared love and a spirit of togetherness that I could take part in. It has made all the difference in the world.
A stranger is merely a person who we haven't made an acquaintance with yet. Having read your words on the forums, I think we are beyond the stranger part enough that we can offer kind words when needed.
Isn't that the worst? My mom has back pain and as a consequence falls at times. It got to be so bad that we thought seriously about getting her one of those Life Alert things. I don't have to tell you to make sure your mom takes care of herself. She sounds like she's worked hard all her life, she should take time to enjoy the fruits of all that hard labor.
Your mom is probably like mine. She doesn't rest... ever. Her days off consist of re-arranging her house, or scrubbing the floors. She has been a hard worker all her life. She has never known a life with out a lot of hard labor.
Thanks, Ernest. We have all managed to share a great deal of love and support here today. No one has questioned each other, or degraded the others' beliefs. We have all been very supportive. Everyone deserves a pat on the back. It was mentioned, yesterday, that only contraversial threads get any attention. As a community, we have proved that theory to be false.
I, now, know it to be true! I just wish some of the hubbers who think that we are full of hatred would've shown up on this thread. Maybe, we could have shown them that it is possible for us all to get along. I think we have learned a lot from each other, today. And, no one had to preach, brow-beat, or slap anyone across the face!
I am blushing! I am glad this thread worked out. It could have just fizzled and died. I am glad everyone realized what it was all about and didn't think it was lame. I really wish some of the "angry ones" could have seen it and taken part, but I guess not. Hey! I tried.
It is one of the great things about hubpages. We meet each other through our writings! We often know quite a lot about each other's families and such. For just one example, anyone who knows wordscribe knows what a sexy lady she is. I use the word sexy in the knowledge that it has a very different meaning to some.
To me it is something people cannot hide. The love of children and family just spills on to the page as sexy to a partner who loves them as well!
I love seeing mothers who are dealing with children acknowledge the difficulties without responding negatively to them. Sexy behavior!
I love the talk that accidentally reveals the love of partners. Understanding and giving love are the sexiest things on the planet to a loving partner, and who else do you need to be sexy towards?! Good positive stuff you can see and feel love!
To a lot of us, writing is therapeutic. Even if we vent through our writing, we can look at the piece and see our true meaning. Hubpages has been a really helpful place for me. I think of it as an oasis, of sorts, and I really like that so many different personalities can co-exist. That is why it saddens me to see animosity. We all have our battles in life. HP should be a place to escape them.
I think that I can get enough of love though, and that is the problem, that I get comfortable with what I think is enough. I wonder though, can love get enough of me, so that all that love is, I become, and I am consumed by love?
Well if we're quoting poetry now, this has to be one of my favorites:
When our two souls stand up erect and strong, Face to face, silent, drawing nigh and nigher, Until the lengthening wings break into fire, At either curved point, - what bitter wrong Can the earth do us, that we should not long Be here contented? Think! In mounting higher, The angels would press upon us and aspire To drop some golden orb of perfect song Into our deep, dear silence. Let us stay Rather on earth, Beleoved, - where the unfit Contrarious moods of men recoil away and isolate pure spirits, and permit A place to stand and love for a day, With darkness and the death-hour rounding it.
I still remember the day I first read that and it has remained with me ever since. Thanks for the post Davina, it's been too long since I've read the wisdom of this long lost poet. I thought I'd share it with you all and get your thoughts on it.
I guess I have stayed up a bit later than I thought I would. I am glad I did. I am glad I got to read this post. The poem is beautiful and, with that, I really will go to bed, now. Thanks again, everyone.
Oh goody, sounds like I'll have to do a hub. I believe it will be about their courtship and life together. It really is a remarkable story, you'd swear is was the plot to a romance novel except that those don't truly happen in real life. Or do they?
Good Morning, all. I hate to say it, but I have never read Elizabeth Barrett Browning. I would like to read a hub about her, too. I haven't read poetry in ages. I think it is just what I need right now.
Very Nice poetry, think I'll have to give it a read. To all the non-believers and believers out there, have a great weekend I love you all even AW, though I'm no longer replying to anything you say. Insanity has descended on that other thread and its sad. You all be safe this weekend I have to get back to my writing. See you on Monday.
I would like to thank OneStopWriteShop for inspiring me today. I guess she would be considered a "non-believer" for not being a staunch Christian, but she is a believer in my book... for what that's worth. She believes in the power of the human spirit. Here's to you, Katina.
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