All those that believe in Jesus, came to Him under different circumstances ... some came through a crisis, other's came through an experience, still others came through going to church, others came through reading the Bible, other's came through a relationship with a Believer and other's came because they were raised in the Word and accepted Him as Savior at an early age. How and why did you come to Him?
when i was little, my parents took me to church and i was enrolled in catechism, and that is where i first learned about The Good Shepherd. to me he was very loving and kind but really special because he was the son of god. as i grew up and left the church, my views about God changed but i still have good feelings about Jesus (although i don't believe anymore that he was God's son), and i think a little part of me will always carry that love with me throughout my life because he seemed closer to us than God (and less scary).
I was raised in a Christian home, but as I grew and left home I also grew and left God. I decided to live my life my way; as my life began to fall apart (badly) I began having these dreams...I was in a field and I was battling against an evil spirit; I would wake knowing that my life was going to end badly. I began to pray; asking for guidance and protection and slowly but very surely my life began to take a new path..my decisions were better made and I left everything and started over...I am now a wife, mother and grand-mother filled with nothing but Love.
I am thankful for him letting me make my choices but obviously staying right there by my side; he was there to pick me up when I was falling and now I live my life for HIm.
I give God(Spirit) all the glory and praise for the great gift of the Holy Spirit in any believer in Christ Jesus. The Words of God are Spirit and Life(John 6:63). He proved His Name and His Words in Matthew 7:7 at my early age of under 7 years; yes, my parents(late) and others are witnesses. God is faithful. His love is awesome! He's more than religion. He is Love.
I grew up in church. My mother and grandmother drug me to church every Sunday, but I never made the connection with God. Looking back, I believe part of the reason for that was not being in a church that really preached the Word. I don't even remember there being any invitations to accept Jesus as Saviour. I witnessed many become members of the church, but never any conversions.
Well, when I turned 18, though I still lived under my parents' roof, I was no longer made to go to church. So I dropped it like a bad habit. And went about doing my own thing. Church was not on my agenda for life, and unfortunately, neither was God.
To sum it up: I spent years in drugs, alcohol, partying and all types of other sins. Thankfully, my mother was still in church (the same church I grew up in) and she prayed for my brother and I daily. As a matter of fact, I remember on many occasions she would be in the living room on her knees praying as I would walk past her on my way to the club.
Sin leads to more sin. In all of my 'living it up', I got myself into the worst situation I had ever been in. I had definitely hit rock bottom. I had been through other things up to that point, but this time I knew I could not get myself out of my mess. And for the first time ever, while watching TBN, I called upon the name of the Lord and He saved me. That was nearly 10 years ago, and I am so grateful that even though all those years when I wasn't looking for Him, He was looking for me. And He found me at the end of myself. Praise be to God.
I tried the whole church and Jesus Christ thing. It did not work for me. I became more suicidal and began cutting on myself. Now that i am in the eastern arts i have noproblems. Everyone has a right to their own belief though. That is the power of free will. Well to you and all others BLESSED BE!!!!
Having a Catholic background I new of God, but never new I could have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I also new of praying but never took it seriously. It wasn't until a major crisis in my life that turned be toward Jesus Christ.
I became a Christian simply because I inherited my parent’s belief. Children don’t accept Yeshua into their life; it is forced on them through programming and indoctrination.
Your religious affiliation or lack thereof all depends on you geographical location. People living in Iran and Indonesia are Muslims. If born in India they are Hindus and if born in China they are Buddhists. Many people born in parts of Russia and Denmark are born into families that are Atheist. In the United States 75 to 80 percent of the citizens are Christians; therefore the majority of Americans are Christians for that reason only.
I disagree. The Word says that no one comes to the Father unless He draws them. A person that accepts Jesus through coercion or programming may not (in my opinion) have had a life changing experience with Him. Unfortunately, the only person that knows that is the person themselves and God. When you are in a true relationship nothing draws you but the person that you are desiring to know. It should be the same with people who are in relationship with Jesus. If you don't have a relationship with Him what is the point of being called a Christian? Then you may as well be a Atheist or Muslim or Hindu. And not everyone that calls themselves a Christian is one. He said that you will know them by their fruit ...
Obvious you would think?
I was a spiritualist, so i meditated a lot. A denounced Jesus as never existing, but during my meditations i would always feel his presence. One day i was meditating, and I "opened" myself up, and i started to hear Jesus. He told me to follow his word, and ignore the old testament, everything needed for me to be a believer. I used to be like earnesthub, going to forums just to disprove others, to make myself feel superior.
Ah so you have to meditate + read the bible + have faith + be chosen for Jesus to talk to you.
The magic formula!
Are you a prophet?
I came to him because he never gave up on me even when I gave up on him. He always put people in my life that encouraged me to have faith even during my worst days. Some of those people were straightforward, and some of those people didn't even know they were influencing me. He has always answered my prayers, and guided me in the right direction. It wasn't always the direction I wanted to be guided, but in hindsight there was no better outcome than the guidance from Jesus. Once I confessed all of my sins and asked for forgiveness it was a great feeling, and I hope I can fulfill his plans for me without screwing it up.
So your god answers your petty prayers while he lets half the children on earth go hungry because your "special" right?
GOD has a plan for everyone. Even you. Additionally, there are plenty of people who donate and volunteer to help children in need. The BIBLE also explains how GOD cursed for generations. Lastly, the BIBLE also explains that if you are a Christian you will suffer, but the ultimate reward is what to look forward to.
Holy bolone! And you believe that???
Screw the kids ay? Nice god!
Yes, I do believe the BIBLE. Everyone has a choice. Even you, and the parents of those children.
What sort of choice do you have if your country of birth is poor and you are living off a rubbish tip? You should get real about the world you live in.
You have as much choice as anyone else. You should get real, and stop trying to use a situation as an excuse. Excuses and choices are two different things.
I thought that would be your response. How charitable of you.
Anytime, I'm here to help. There are those who do, and those who talk about doing.
No you are here telling me that if you were born living on a rubbish tip with 10,000 others because you are the third generation living there, that is only an excuse for being hungry. You make as much sense as your god!
First, I have no clue what a "rubbish tip" is. Second, if you're family has lived somewhere for generations, and they are hungry, then they chose to live there. Lastly, my ancestors were poor and hungry also, but they made a choice, and immigrated to America. You make no sense at all. You make excuses.
Yes, I've been to many third world countries, and lived in them.
Maybe this will make more sense to you, since the BIBLE doesn't.
http://picasaweb.google.com/EDIGITY/Lim … directlink
There are literally hundreds of thousands of poor living in and on rubbish tips.
One little boy on a documentary about it is trying to feed a family of six.
There is no money, there is no chance to get out, there is no support from the government.
If you read or watch the news, you will see these families living off less than a dollar a day.
You blame them for this, whereas you would not last a day in their world. You make me want to puke!!!
I would like to see you swap places, that would seem like "divine intervention"!
You don't have a clue of what life I've lived, or where I've lived. I stand by my original statement, everyone has a choice. Here's a thought. Maybe, if you live in poverty, keep your willy wrapped up and legs closed, so you don't have to put a helpless child into that situation. There are plenty of people who come from poverty, and grow up to be successful contributing members of society. Not all of us have lost faith earnest, but you obviously have.
Those parents have a choice???? Have you ever even been to a third world country?????
Jesus was beat into me by my parents and society!
Your parents and the society you lived in "beat" their views of Jesus into you - have you searched for your own?
Yes, I have searched for myself, and the concept of a savior makes no sense. Though Jesus probably did exist, in the past, but not as the son of God. There is no such being in the real world. Bummer!
1 Corinthians 1:18: Them who are perishing the cross is merely foolishness to them. But to us who believe and know the truth, it is life eternal. So believe that Jesus is the Son of God, not only that but Jesus is God. Read John 1:1-10, and if you believe in God, believe in Him also who was sent to die for your sins.
Hmmm, I think threats of going to hell is what made me believe. Who wouldn't pick rejoicing singing church songs in heaven compared to burning in hell with the devil! Not me! The devil is scary! I believe! Thank You baby jesus.
I came to be a christian by praying God whoever you are reveal yourself to me I don't want to follow a god that doesn't exist. Then I could not ignore all the signs of his presence. I was in a church of 7000 people and the preacher preached directly to me about my rapist. He told me to forgive him. Which was weird he was talking about forgiveness and I was thinking I couldn't forgive him.At that moment I knew God was real and he was talking to me through that preacher. Been a christian ever sense.
Coming from a Taoist background, I had a series of undeniable experience with Jesus through the years that helped me put my trust in Him more and more. He has walked with me faithfully through the years, though I had not been faithful all the time.
Amazing Love! How can that be? That He love a person such as I.
Application. Through application of the principles He taught we gain that firm foundation - that rock upon which to build upon. All the singing and dancing in the aisles and all the other actions people endulge in as a sign of faith is all for naught without the daily implementation and application of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Faith is only nurtured through action. There is no level plateau of faith. Either it's increasing or decreasing and what drives it is the application.
I accepted jesus christ as my personal savior in an Air Force USO club.
I was young, ignorant, and "leadable."
I was finally asked to leave baptist seminary 'cause I was too inquisitive and wouldn't take the answer to my questions; "have faith my son, have faith," as a credible answer to my queries.
Time passed. My studies continued thru college and into graduate work.
My studies in science, history (including religious history) and years of "chat" with believers and non-believers, I finally constructed a "logical" concept that didn't include a metaphysical god thing.
I became a very "strong atheist."
My education continued.
I finally came to a very "reasoned" decision i.e. I am not an atheist.
I cannot deny or accept that which cannot be defined....ergo, I am but a human being seeking "input" and living this singular life exactly the way I want to live it.
I am surrounded by a very deadly, natural, predatory species of life. "It" is an evolved, semi-conscious animal we have classified as Homo/sapienssapiens.
I finally came to a very "reasoned" decision i.e. I am not an atheist.
Hi friend qwark
You made a good decision; now please put some reason in your faith to make it rational and logical; so that you could convince others. Blind faith is no faith.
I love Jesus n Mary as mentioned in Quran
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Jesus and God fought and died for us. They shared wisdom and happiness everywhere they went.
Hi Precious Pearl,
No idea if this will get to you as this thread has been inactive for years, but I've been searching online for stories of what brings people to believe in Jesus and I stumbled across this thread. I appreciate your calm and loving energy and for some random reason feel drawn to ask you a question. I've been seeing someone for a short time. She believes strongly in Jesus. Actually, she invited Jesus into her life 12 months ago. I knew her before this occurred as we had gone out a few times and while I was attracted to her, I didn't feel a connection with her. We went our separate ways. A number of months later we got in touch and met for a drink. She had since found Jesus and within twenty minutes of talking to her, I knew that I wanted to commit my life to this woman. Fell in love with her on the spot. Always thought that was a crazy thing to hear when people said it. And yet there you go. Our connection is unreal. The universe aligns when we are together and random, improbable, inexplicable things happen that make us stop short and literally take it in. I'm 40 years old and I've dated a lot in my life. I'm not cheesy or naive when it comes to dating. Yet I never knew that this kind of connection was possible. I believe that God brought her into my life. The only thing is, I don't believe in God. At least, not in a literal translation of the bible. I don't believe in immaculate conception, that Jesus literally died to save us, etc. But I pray and talk to God every day. And I see evidence of Him all around me. For me, she is evidence of Him. I did not like her before she found God. It was only after that I felt such a powerful connection. I see the effect of God in her life. And I love Him, and her for it. She needs to be with a man who has the same belief in Jesus. She knows this. And I know this. And I am searching for a way to believe in a way that would have me believe in my heart. I can not lie to myself just to make a relationship work. I need to make the choice for myself. To see the need in my life for a personal relationship with Jesus as the true son of God. I am searching for a way to believe and I don't know where to go or how to do this. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you.
May you find what you are looking for, and may the God of love and mercy - our Creator and the Father of all who come to him - through the saving and atoning work of our Lord Jesus Christ and the power and working of the Holy Spirit, reveal truth to you and bring you to Himself and into his Kingdom and family and into eternal life. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Some verses that might be helpful to you:
You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." (Matthew 7:7)
But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 4:29)
1 Chronicles 22:19
Now devote your heart and soul to seeking the LORD your God.
I was 7. I just asked my dad how to get saved right there in my parents' bedroom and he walked me through it. Just a week later my 3 siblings were saved, although my sister and one of my brothers have been saved "officially" more recently. They didn't feel they were good enough until a year ago and my dad helped them again.
I did not come to Him or chose Him.
He came to me and chose me just like He said
"you have not chosen Me, but rather I have chosen you"
He appeared to me in visible manifested form and I believed on Him.
I didn't come to Him, but rather He came to me. He called and I responded.
He called and you came. He often calls and people don't come. I am so glad that you did.
Already know you are a prophet.
When I was a teen and sowing some wild oat, he was stalking me. On numerous occasions when I was in dire stress he comforted me. when I was way out on a limb and it was cracking. I begged for help and he appeared to me and set forth an agenda. The mountain was removed.
Jesus planted a seed long ago and it continues to grow.
I cannot pick a day
I think that God does not want to be so big in our lives that he blocks our vision of his creations, yet he does not want to be out of our peripheral vision.
I think that he is a stalker and will get ya when he knows that you are ready.
Interesting. I never heard Him described quite that way before. Thank you for sharing.
Why answer Misha's question then?
Ok this is the short version...delette it if you want LOL!!!I bumped into an old classmate who had entered the priesthood about 5 previous, I asked him how it was going, and he replied that he had recently quit the order and was very happy about his decision. Great I replied I have just come from Friar Tuck and his merry men and I wouldn’t join them either. To be honest I can’t remember our conversation, I may have said something like that, but I do remember that he was not happy with the priest hood and so he quit. Anyway, it was like a confirmation that God did not want me to enter by that doorway, so I went of to look behind door number 3.
About a week later as I was walking home from the unemployment office I started talking to God, I was not too sure if he existed at all and yet deep inside I felt a strong desire that I was meant for something better than this present predicament. I came to a cross walk outside a pub named Flannerys that I used to frequent, stopped looked up to heaven and said God if you are really there please show me as I don’t know what to do or where to go from here and then I walked across the road and proceeded up the long slow hill in front of me. As I neared the top I thought I recognized a man I used to know coming out of a corner store as I drew closer I called out his name ROY is that you? He turned around looked at me and with a big smile said Hi Mick how’s it going? At first I was not to sure it was him as the Roy I knew was always drunk, stoned and no fun to be around. I knew Roy’s Dad Harry Grey from my motorcycle racing days as his younger son was also a rider and both were club members. Roy only showed up when the club bar was open.
I kept looking at Roy, it looked like him but he didn’t act like Roy, this guy was too happy .He invited me inside the store (I had fitted the place out about 2 years before) we talked like we were old friends. Finally I stopped Roy and asked what has happened to you? Why are you so happy? He replied with a big Smile ` I met Jesus Mick; he’s real and living in my heart. My mouth fell open and I immediately told him what I had asked God at the bottom of the hill. I became like a little kid firing off questions and hanging on to every answer Roy gave. I was excited and could feel that the growing desire inside was about to be met.
As the store became busy and we could no longer carry on our conversation Roy invited me to his church that night and I eagerly accepted his invitation. I arrived early, it was an old rented hall with high ceilings and white walls and blue carpet. At the front of the hall stood a speakers podium and facing it were rows of neatly arranged chairs divided by an isle. There were a about 15 or so people standing around chatting and Roy was with them, he came right over and began to introduce me to everyone. They seemed friendly and warm, especially the girls who were quite good looking! Okay I’m in the right place I thought as I talked to a beautiful red head with blue eyes and sharp black rimmed spectacles. I always thought of church people as reverent and boring but these individuals had something I wanted, I could feel it but I just didn’t know what that was – yet.
Then the pastor walked in with his wife and Roy introduced me, his name was Michael O Brian and he and his wife (can’t remember her name) where Americans. They seemed rather friendly. Michael then excused himself and the couple walked to the front of the hall and positioned themselves, Michael at the podium and his wife sat down at the electric piano, by this time the room was nearly full so I sat with Roy at the back and watched.
Behind Michael was a large white screen and all of a sudden it was lit up with the bright light of an overhead projector the kind I was used to in high school. Michael then proceeded to open with a short prayer and then the words of a praise song appeared on the screen and a young boy with a guitar stood in front of the podium and began to lead the group in worship accompanied by Michaels wife on the piano, they sang about 2 or so songs and then people began to raise their hands as if in surrender and shout out praises to God as they sang, some also began to speak in what sounded like garbled language then the room was filled with a wonderful peaceful presence, it made me want to cry – I felt embarrassed so I held back. I could feel this strong compelling coming from inside of my body wanting to let go but I was afraid so I sat down pretended to pray hoping no one would notice me. I just wanted to run out of the hall as I felt so unworthy to be in that place. I became very aware of the sin in my life and it made me uncomfortable. Then the music stopped and there was silence and then one by one people began to speak out words they believed God was giving then, some in the garbled language and some as I later found out gave the meaning of the garbled words. I had heard my Mother talk about this kind of thing before but had never experienced it until now. Then it was over and big loud thanks went up to God.
The pastor then gave a short sermon and when he was finished we all filed into the adjacent room and drank some coffee. Roy asked me what I thought .I told him I was not to sure but I think I liked it.
I kept returning over the next several weeks and watching. Some nights they did altar calls-that is to ask if anyone wanted to ask Jesus into their hearts. I still was not ready for that yet. One night Harry, Roys father came and at the altar call he walked boldly down the isle and accepted Jesus, Roy and I both cried.
That night the pastor talked about the baptism of the holy spirit and then again the next week (I wont go into what it means now) it sounded great and I knew I wanted it but there was a price to pay it meant surrendering your whole life over to Jesus. That scared me because I thought what if God wants me to become a Catholic priest those guys could never get married or have sex, hey, that was a big hang up for me.
Then about two weeks later after a Friday night meeting in the coffee room I was talking with Trish a girl I had become close to and I confided in Trish my secret fear, she looked at a me and smiled and said she didn’t think that God would want me to do that but it was also a possibility. That did not make me feel any better about my upcoming decision .It was tearing me up inside and I knew I would not have any real relief until I surrendered my life to Jesus. Then I thought my life isn’t that great now what have I got to lose. So with knots in my stomach I walked over to the pastor and youth leader who were praying for someone else and waited. When they were finished they asked me what they could do for me, .I told them that I was afraid but that I wanted to accept Jesus into my heart and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit as well. Then John the youth leader led me in a simple prayer of repentance and renouncing Satan and all his hold over me and then I asked Jesus into my heart and surrendered to him at which point Michael prayed for me to receive the baptism of the holy spirit .He then asked me to ask Jesus to baptize me with the holy spirit and during this whole time they placed both their hands on my head and shoulders. Michael also told me that I would receive tongues as a sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Well I asked Jesus to baptize me with the holy spirit and all of a sudden I was engulfed in what I can only describe as fire from heaven – not fire that burns – but fire that is out of this world, warm, yet peaceful and the presence of strong Love and then Michael asked me to open my mouth and speak my new language in faith and as I did out came this sound I had never heard before, it was a language I did not understand and the more I spoke it the more peaceful I became .It was a wonderful experience. I still speak in tongues today and can turn it on and of as I choose. When I’m confused or unsure of how to pray I simply pray in tongues and if I don’t receive direction right then I at least receive Gods peace that all is in his hands.
Praise the Most High God!! What an incredibly awesome testimony. Thank you for sharing this with us. What a tremendous blessing! Abba, Great is Your Faithfulness!! Your Love Never Fails!!
Wow Mick! That's really an awesome testimony. I'm really glad I read all of it and didn't delete it as you suggested at the beginning LOL.
I believe this happened to you and I thank God that not only your life here on earth is saved, but your eternity is now assured as well. Thank you for sharing your testimony with us, I am reminded how powerful the truth is and how quickly it can open a heart!
So god runs around in your life doing stuff while the world burns. Funny little god.
I have experienced praying for and watching people getting saved but have not heard it from inside their head, so thank you for sharing
The story, and plight, of Jesus is inspiring. It gives hope. Jesus was selfless and revolutionary.
Jesus is a role model and humble, how his qualities shine, and i try to imitate them in my daily life
Jesus has chosen everyone. But not everyone has chosen Jesus. When I first began to believe was when I was a kid. Being unable to really understand why it was that I did believe. That was my "in the blind faith days" as I call them.
After coming to the age where I had grown to understand more I grew closer to the Lord. I began to understand as I let the Holy Spirit in to teach and guide me into that greater understanding. There was yet another choice I had made in that.
The more I allowed Gods Spirit to move in me, and through me the more and more I came to believe, and trust and know. The more and more I came to know Him the more I came to loving him.
God has done so many great and wonderful things for me and my family and friends. It would take up pages and pages of this forum to list them all. But at the end of it all I just say, Thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus!
I don't think anything made me choose to follow him I guess that's the point. In the Movie "Kingdom of Heaven" one of the characters explained the difference between Islam, and Christianity...Christ said choose, Allah says obey...I'd have to say that I was even given a choice on the issue was what made it appealing to me.
Yes, you are right ... He chooses us and then we make the choice to come to Him or not.
The joy of the Lord contained in His Word and the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer are great values for me.
Several of you have made some good points. He came to us. But we still had to choose whether we would accept Him or not. I came to the Lord when I was younger, having been raised Christian. It was the most important decision of my life.
Mine too! The most important and life changing decision.
I felt God enter my heart in church over thirty years ago. I've never wavered in my belief in Him since. I do wonder about organized "religions" though. They are all, I feel created by man and many are designed to make money and lots of it! I think if Jesus came back to earth today he would have a real problem with most if not all churches, and I think he would again be persecuted and suffer the same fate again, regardless of what He did (raising the dead, healing people, etc.)Not to sound morbid or anything, but I look forward to the day I take my last breath just to see what happens I think I know and I'll have that faith until that day!(then I won't need to have faith I'll just know lol.)
Blessed be God Almighty!
Amen. I agree the church has strayed into a lot of commercialism. And no where in the Bible will you find Methodist, Baptist (Accept for John the Baptist), Catholicism, etc ... those are all man made religions and although there is nothing wrong with being one of the above I don't believe that was Jesus' intention. I believe it was Paul who even said that we shouldn't be concerned with "I am a part of ...". He said that our common denominator was our belief in the Risen Lord and the Power of His Resurrection.
I was raised catholic but no longer follow it. I still believe very strongly in God and read my Bible, but I have not found a religion that really fits me. The reason I left the catholic church was because of what the Father told me about becoming a member and I really do not wish to go into that now, but suffice it to say it turned me away from the catholic religion. I have never lost touch with God though. I still pray and like I said I read the Bible often, I just have to find my way back to a church that fits with me.
Well I grew up going to church and sunday school. I don't remember much about what I learned kinda went through the motions as I colored pictures of Jesus and the lambs when I was little. I feared God and knew better not to mess around with him because he was no one to play with - he was always serious.
But, as I got older, and things went the way they did in my life, one day I came to the bible and I prayed to the Father and said, I know about you and all you have done and can do but, I don't know much about your son and I thought if I am going to walk as a Christian then I need to learn about Jesus who I have heard so much about. So, I started there. Reading The New Testament. I heard Jesus tell me that I was going to be walking in the fire of hell but, not to worry, because he was going to be right there beside me holding my hand all the way. He was right, and we did (Jesus and I) walked through hell together and came through the otherside. He lifted me to where I could see (understand) why things were the way they were in (my hell) and he blessed me to remain calm and at peace the entire time. It was the most amazing, strangest time I have ever been through in my life - the death of my Mother. But, Jesus was with me through it all and held me up strong. I thank him for that and he's never left my side since. I am so blessed to have him with me. In Jesus Name. Amen
was a spiritualist, so i meditated a lot. A denounced Jesus as never existing, but during my meditations i would always feel his presence. One day i was meditating, and I "opened" myself up, and i started to hear Jesus. He told me to follow his word, and ignore the old testament, everything needed for me to be a believer. I used to be like earnesthub, going to forums just to disprove others, to make myself feel superior.
You know less about me than you know about life, and that is saying something. I come here to speak truthfully as many others do. I do not give a rats what you believe.
If you want to make gutless attacks do it overtly, not hidden away in your boring post in answer to someone else!
well, this one cagedncrazy ,is pathetic !! Maybe that's why he/she is caged & crazy !
The Holy Spirit came to me.
Grew up in the Catholic Church, Providence R.I., Aletrboy, all of it. Got afronted by it, and left it. No affiliations with any church. Graduated school and was hired to do Field work with the World Bank around the Globe. In Capetown, I was Introduced to Wicca, and liked it, I thought, and took it up, followed.
When I got to my Third degree, I realised how truly empty and foolish it was, and at a Beltaine Celibration, I refused the Red Rope, backed off the Altar, and left the Circle. Was nethered by the Covin, big deal!- for them! and Never looked back.
When I got Home, I went through several months of confusion and not sleeping well at all. And a good friend at work, talked with me a lot.
I sought counciling, cleared my head, and then one Night in my appartment, (had 3 days off) I Picked up the Bible, my GrandFather had given me when I graduated, and it connected for me. I decided that All of us were truly under the Grace, and for me, I also wanted to be.
So I said the Act of Confirmation, asked a local Church to Baptise me as a symbol of Obidence to God, and I have never looked back sense.
Wicca was an empty Void, there is no such thing as a Goddess, it is all false euphoria, and high emotional trance, and nothing gets done. No bang for the buck! it is folly.
To me, inside me, in Faith, God is real. He took the confusion, the hurting, the empty feeling, all of that away, helped me heal myself, work things out; and all I had to do was ask Him, and he did it willingly.
Jon, are you trying to tell me that he is able to do that here on earth while thousands die of starvation? What makes you special? Do you think that is ok?
Earnest, an explanation in senserity about my beliefe.
No, I am not claiming that I am special, choosen or with any power what-so-ever, nor do I think something like that is ok. What you describe, that you stated, is a Man Made, Mankind created mess, Goverment Made disasters caused by Man. God does not edict starvation, genocide, war at all Earnest.
Its is man made with Goverments, Dictators, Presidents and Murderers, Thugs, Thief's Men with hidden agendas. It is (MEN and Women) acting above God. Making Human free will Decisions in place of God, acting as a God. While Other nations of Men who can, are not stepping up to stop it. Are Allowing it, and worring only about themselves first, not the opressed and those needing help.
People have a slanted look about God. Claim he is all loving etc... etc..., The truth is, The Book says he is a Just God, and thats all it says. meaning he Judges all of us in the end the same way.
It says That he is the same yesterday, as he is today and will be tomarrow. In other words he does not change. His plan is in motion.
The fact that Tribes, kill other tribes, and starve them out is a failure of Man. Murderers and Dictators, Presidents and Kings get Judged when the time for them comes. God does not change anyone's will inside. He set a plan in motion and created us for Fellowship with Him.
We, mankind, left him. He, did not abandon us. He gave us a concience inside, and he can not interfear with it, the plan is in place. We have a sense of right and wrong, we have the power to act alone, or seek him. it is up to us, individualy, to either believe and seek or to not believe and not seek. Either way it is excersise of free will, do as you wish to.
And We are to take care of our own self in that aspect. I can not go to him and intercede for my wife, my kids, any one, only take care of my whitness to God alone, just me.
So these folks in the Forum that say its there way are foolish. They can not speak for God, or change anyone. If God will not, they surely can not! They do not think about that.
Nor can I, if I believe, put down any other for their belief. God actualy only makes two requests. Believe in Him by faith, and Keep "Agape" Love (love for all people) Frendship kind of love.
When we act alone, we end up in messes we create by our own actions, Like Iraq, Afganistan, murders, fights, stabbings, shootings... etc... Jail time, law suits, divorce etc.. etc...
Acting with Agape Love (love for all mankind) is something God asks us to do. And we as a world are "not" doing this, thus others starve and are Murderd, or are wronged.
It is Mans human instinct for His own survival above others and for Conquest (Power and Wealth). Its man exercising his Free will, on his own.
People choose by concious choice, God does not decide this for us. God puts the mechanism there in place at birth, if any of us chooses to use it to seek Him so be it. It is ours to use as we see to. He will not interfear.
We can also use concience as a guide for Good steps, good works to emulate Gods behavior. How we Know right from wrong.
But works and deeds alone are not a Gaurantee of our salvation. It is honest Heart felt beliefe, not of the Head, but inside you.
What you speak of, selection, starvations etc... it is about people making decisions for God, not asking for Guidance.
Same reason Adam and Eve got kicked from paridise, acting on their own without thought, Exercising their free will. Its Been that way for mankind for as long as we have exhisted, and will continue.
As for special privelage, no, not special, you are confusing a Religionist interpretation of pre-selection, with God.
God in working his plan has for some reason chosen folks for whatever his purpose was at the time. he is free to, he knows the begining, the end and the Middle, so he can act and not affect the Order of the plan put in place. He is Omniscent, (all knowing) we are not.
In truth, Very very few have been ever chosen, and will be. I am not that, and will not be. That is up to God, it is his universe. His ways.
As far as privelage. its Just me, a small Human seeking a Spirit God by faith because I believe he is. It is Nothing More than that for me. I am nothing special or chosen, or with powers.
God is that, I am only Human, and I do not do it right all the time.
Hope this explains me, for what it is worth.
hunger is just one form of pain.
What about little ones that die from disease every day?
How can there be a god present and able who would ignore that?
I see religionists who claim their prayers to find their keys or help their sick child were answered. Makes absolutely no sense at all.
Death is no loss to God.
What do you mean no loss to god, we are talking about children who suffer. That does not worry a god who will even find my car keys or cure my cancer?
Who reigns over the earth right now? in my beleif
The devil, yes I know. Made by god. This is even more ridiculous and takes a stack of scripture to work around.
then I have nothing more to say. And really, its getting late.
I am curious, the question was directed to those who believed in Jesus Christ, and if you are not believing, why are you trying so hard to rebuff everyone?
This is a religious forum, I will offer my opinion.
Let me guess, you are pro religion right?
Well, I am not exactly pro religion; in fact I never believed in religions.
However, you're not answering my question; the question in the forum was directed to those who believed in Jesus Christ, and if you are not believing, why are you trying so hard to rebuff everyone?
Although this is a religious forum, the question was not directed to you isn't it? So I just want to find out what is making you try so hard to rebuff everyone.
You think I'm trying hard? You should read some older posts! I feel no urge to answer your question, I think it is more interesting to know why you asked it!
Then I guess you have disappointed me.
I thought as a person who wishes to give a logical and clear view of what he believes in will have the capacity to be able to explain himself, when he argues with everyone in such a neutral and harmless post question.
This post question was only for those who believed in Jesus Christ, and was not about arguing about who is right or wrong in their views.
Yet you came in rudely to rebuff everyone.
I don't know, but that's not courtesy isn't it?
But it is courteous for the religionists to do it. You need to be around the forums a bit more.
Your answer still does not justify your actions.
If religionists rob a bank, will you rob a bank too?
So seriously, your answer does not justify anything at all.
And just why do you think I need to justify anything to you?
You have contributed zilch to the thread.
Lol, you forgot you didn't contribute to the thread either.
Very smart assed of you, do you have a reading problem?
Nope I don't have a reading problem. You claimed that I didn't contribute zilch to the thread, yet on what part did you contribute?
You didn't answer the question posted for this thread, and me neither. So I don't really understand your point when you claim that I have contributed zilch to the thread.
Anyway, I wasn't meaning to incur your wrath, nor to make enemies. Just thought that you might be an intelligent and logical person who is also negotiable and a gentleman.
I really was wondering what was making you rebuff everyone when they were just sharing their personal experiences.
Of course, like you said, you need to justify yourself to noone. But then again, you were making logical remarks of God, rebuffing everyone's personal experiences.
So no offense, I was just asking.
I think it's a control thing. You have to ask yourself why do those that continually renounce religion spend so much time hanging around it if they loathe it so much(some of your major posters to the religion forums are unbelievers). Some people are not happy unless they're hating something.
I find this comment offensive. Should we just let you keep telling people a pile of rhubarb from a 2,000 year old book that tells everyone they must worship a sky fairy without challenging it?
God ignores nothing! Put the time in presepective. Our time in this life is nothing more than a speck in the grand scheme. Which one among us has not known our child to suffer for a moment, knowing that the future is still bright?
I'd like to hear more about how people came to believe in Jesus or strengthened their relationship with him.
Really? And you signed up and made an account just to hear that?
LOLO - You guys are really funny. Relationship with an imaginary person? How does that work exactly?
I am a Catholic not because I was raised that way, but because after leaving the Church, studying pretty much every other religion, and getting kicked around a little bit, I realized that Christianity provides us with the supreme example of love, forgiveness, and self-sacrifice.
Challenge all you want, Earnest. But you're just being plain insulting. If you think you're perfectly capable of being good without divine guidance, I'd hope for better effort.
Insults are often met with like Valerie, I know some of your beliefs and you know some of mine, and as this was not aimed at you maybe I should use a religious excuse for it, like "that is what my book says," it wasn't me?
Your assertions aside, I do live a good loving honest life. Always have. I do not appreciate others who claim to be religiously correct telling me how to live my life based on their faith either, especially as I can see straight through their hypocrisy with the aid of psychological knowledge that I can teach my kids...but hey, that's life.
My life is an open book, literally, my hubs are about real things that show who I am.
Don't caste aspersions on my character based on the fact that I do not pretend to not see covert hostility! I respond in kind, that is all, and I do not let people crap on me with "love"
Okay, if you don't let people crap on them, you have to prove you're better and not crap on them in turn. Responding in kind to hostility only makes you just as hostile and just as bad.
Sorry I do not agree. If someone tries to insult covertly that is dishonest and should be jumped on. I do not like dishonesty, emotional dishonesty is no exception.
And I do not like people engaging in the same behavior they decry in others, yet pretending they're still somehow any better. If you don't like to take it, don't dish it.
No, you're the one talking about how good you are while at the same time behaving in a very disrespectful manner to others on the basis of their beliefs.
I am just defending myself as a good person, and providing the necessary support for that in defense of your unwarranted attack on my character.
Challenge all you want, Earnest. But you're just being plain insulting. If you think you're perfectly capable of being good without divine guidance, I'd hope for better effort.
Implying that I was lacking, and the reason was a lack of divine grace.
Thanks Jon, yes it does explain you. I do not buy any of your beliefs though. I was a born again Christian, a foundation member of CBMC, saw and even had the dead sea scroll read to me by the expert of the time the director of the Institute of archeology Clifford Wilson who was a fellow member.
I also spent 8 months reading the quoran.
I believe that all humans are naturally religious, I choose to be a bit independent of my religiosity of soul, as I feel I understand it logically.
I can agree with this Earnest, I really can, and you do not have to believe as I do at all. I would never ask you to either. I respect your logic and person. I accept it faithfully, and in time may come to a more logic understanding of all this. But like you I rail at Injustice, and Idiot Goverment, and maybe to much...lol But I have to agree the Religionist Posts are sometimes a bit much.
That scrool must have been fasnating to see, wow
And you are still gonna be me spperation of Church and State CZAR...lol We will declare Friday, a Fosters, Fish and Hot Chips day!
I used to Love that when I was in Perth.
good funny post Jon. Are you really dutch? I am in awe oh Holland. I had a close friend from there for about twenty years. He was religious too!
German, French actualy. Dutch is a nickname my grandfather pinned on me and it stuck! My Grandparents came to U.S. from Hamburg, came in through Elis Island, my family name is one of the names on the wall there. Lived in Connecticut, and Rhode Island as a Kid. Dad was US Navy, ended up in Washing DC for my High School years.
So more German , not Dutch
For me, Christianity was just a natural part of life. Both my parents were devout Christians, and they lived their lives accordingly. My mother was the most selfless person I have ever known. She helped everyone: the poor, the sick, the old, the lonely, the hungry, injured animals, hungry animals, etc. I try to be like my mom, even though I know I'll never be the person she was.
Do I think you have to be a Christian to be a good person? Absolutely not! I had a friend and fellow teacher who was an atheist but was a wonderful person who helped many, many people.
Religion and spirituality are deeply personal. I'm not particularly into organized religion, but I am very spiritual. I talk to God every day, and he has answered many of my prayers.
I tell you, for me it was the communion wafers. I mean they are so tasty. You also get a shot of wine with them which adds a really nice touch. I love'em!
Thanks for the comic relief! But you're right - "they ain't bad!
i came to believe otherwise because of the so many justifications here against the existence of GOD...lol
Awww com'on guys , you can't be serious LOL. Ours used to stick to the roof of our mouths and they would take forever to go away .
After what I saw happened to my mother when she proclaimed she found Him, it was inspiring. She gathered us together and told us that she has found something that no one had ever given her. Since that time, she has gotten her doctorate in Theology and 3 other masters. She is an elder in the church and an ordained minister. She has truly found HIM!
If it is that simple why don't we not just deny them the right to pro-create by castrating all the men?
Why can you not see, that there are those born in to countries that can not feed them. Their fault? The could just leave? You must have a heart of stone like your crazy god!
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
You still don't understand, because you have no faith. There is no denial of procreation. There is choice. I know that there are those born in countries who cannot feed themselves. It's not the child's fault. What, are you saying to make them slaves? I don't think that would help the children at all.
No, it is you who does not understand. You do not see the world, you see a planet controlled by a vicious yet invisible, impossible magic entity, because you selectively read one book that is so messed up psychologically it displays its psychosis on the page! The quote from Ephesians was to demonstrate the type of thinking that could allow your heartless response, and you are either being deliberately obtrusive or maybe English is your second language?
I've seen the world first hand with my own eyes, and there are many people everywhere who share the same beliefs as I. The planet is controlled by choices and free will. I read many books, however; the BIBLE is the only one book that counts. Your delusions fill you with negative energy, which you focus on religion. Maybe you had a bad religious experience in your life, but don't worry GOD will still be there whenever you choose to come back.
Maybe I have seen different things to you in my travels, and maybe you were indoctrinated as a kid.
All my history in religion is here for all to see, I am a real person, not the product of your imagination!
That avatar is a picture of me, my history is written in my hubs. Make your snide insinuations to someone who is as blind to it as some of your fundamentalist friends apparently are.
Quite the opposite. My family either believes in atheism or evolution. There was no attack, only direct observation and interpretation of your comments, which all can see, and conclude for themselves. I am also a real person(whatever that is supposed to mean?)
I edited that out before your reply... a change of heart.
You can leave it in. I doesn't bother me.
You already believe whatever you want, make the choices you want, and live the life you want. Whatever you do, in my belief, is between you and GOD. Your arguments are futile, because I can't speak for GOD. However, I can tell by your posts that you spend an awful lot of time trying to disprove things in the BIBLE. It just amazes me that a person who doesn't believe in something wastes that much energy trying to argue about it. At the time in my life when I didn't believe in the BIBLE I had nothing to do with it. I didn't spend countless hours preaching against its teachings. It just seems a little off to me. But to each their own. Preach on.
Wow - I puked at this too. Did jeebus find your car keys too? Well done. Great is the LOrd!!!!
How about if you take the Bible within the context of how we are commanded to love one another, feed our hungry, take care of our poor and sick, et cetera? The reason poverty and starvation happen is not because God in His divine "psychosis" allows it, but because those of us able to follow His instructions don't listen or think the paltry little bit we do is "good enough."
I agree wholeheartedly with the statements promoting love in the bible. Many of the stories are repeated from earlier times, and religion has no special place in being able to see that we are never better as a people than when we feed our poor and tend the ill.
I am not anti-morality, which is often implied of non believers and is a fallacy. I can arrive at love with logic very easily.
Very good point. Thank you Valerie. It's sounds to me like those are CHOICES we would have to make.
We are born, where we cannot control. If you are from one of those places you die young, suffer your whole life. Why?
What sort of system is that?
On one hand, god is supposedly protecting and feeding the "believers"
Lots of these people are believers too, they pray all day and night for release from their plight.
You or your god judge these people unworthy of a reasonable life, while he runs around finding car keys to the rich religionists Porche?
You don't choose to be born. That is a choice made by your parents. I can't speak for every person praying to GOD. I only know that the BIBLE says GOD will take care of you if you have faith. Again, GOD is not making everyone rich. One becomes rich from the choices they make. Jesus Christ himself had nothing but the clothes on his back.
It is a lot different not having worldly good and starving from birth to death!
Any god that allowed one child to die while finding a religionists car keys is just a wee bit crazy for me!
What you speak is crazy. GOD doesn't allow any of it. If someone has kids, and they live in poverty that is their choice. Comparing starving kids to car keys is asinine, and blatantly demonstrates you have no knowledge of my religion. What's crazy is that you persistently argue about something you don't believe in.
What made you choose to believe in Jesus Christ?
This question is for believers in Jesus Christ.
There is no dispute that Jesus Christ was a real person.
What makes one believe in Jesus Christ is because people need for guidance and/or answers, which they cannot seem to find elsewhere.
What I don't get is WHY are a bunch of non-believers bothering people in this topic?
What to inflict their own personal views/beliefs? This defeats the purpose of an individual's right to belief what they choose to believe.
Being critical of religion can at times be necessary, but to pester people about their own belief is destructive and gains no ground.
Understanding WHY they choose to believe? Isn't of debate nor is it a topic to be debated here.
The believers want to share their own experiences, so that leads me(a non-believer) to a conclusion that other people(such as other non-believers) want to interrupt these people. Why? Is beyond any sort of comprehension.
The non-believers need to seriously get a grip. I'm not slamming anyone, even some of you are my fans....but come on.
I have been here now 3 weeks and I continue to try to understand believers, because I want knowledge, which is my ultimate goal.
But, even I am getting sick of the disruption many hubbers are causing, just to satisfy their own agenda.
To those who believe- do as you choose. I only ask to understand, so I can gain knowledge. I've got nothing to gain otherwise.
I'm outta here.
Have a nice day.
I started believing when I saw a ghost! I shouted "Jesus Christ!" and it disappeared. I think Jesus must've scared it away!
I surrendered to Christ when my marriage was on the brink of failure. I cried out to Him that I knew He was the only one who could heal my relationship with my wife, and He has! God is faithful. My journey with God is more hourly than anything else. I am learning to depend on him for everything. He says that he wants to be involved in even the smallest details of our lives. I surrender to him daily! I still make my share of mistakes, but God never stops teaching us. His love is unfailing and He has promised us that once we are His, noone or nothing will ever snatch us from his hand! Glory to God!
I stand in awe of His everlasting, unconditional, unfailing love for us. What a gift it is to know that He cares about every single detail. Read, if you would like, "Does God Still Speak to His People?"
Gosh - are you really a precious pearl?
Hmm - Oops
Puked again. Nice photo in your avatar - I assume you have copyright to that?
Excellent - please prove it.
I puked at this.
No - really - get a life.
Mr. Evolution......Im sorry but you sound like a very bitter little boy.
Your telling him to get a life when your the one responding to a forum that OBVIOUSLY does not apply to you?! trying to spread your evolutionary/athiestic views is going to get you no where as for us we will be awarded for our good works when our saviour comes the second time to redeem us.
Apparently god is gonna punish the kids again!
Psychotic little god!
How can any man be just in God’s sight, or how can any women’s child be innocent? (Job 25:4 NAB)
I blame my belief on Stupidity, youth and indoctrination.
I'm all better now, but the withdrawal symptoms lasted for years! .
Not so dramatic for me because I was born into a Christian family. The best image I remember about going to church as a child was me on the shoulders of my father as he walks to church with the rest of the family.
I first believed in Him because my mother told me it was so. It was something important to me until I became 12. Then, I started thinking for myself and came to my own conclusions. He is a fond childhood memory along with Santa and the Easter Bunny.
Constant harping from religionists and indoctrination at an early age.
I'm OK now though, and fully recovered thank you.
I watched a great show on TV last nite that covered the history of the Aborigines.
It resembled our savagery with Native Americans.
It was a 2 hour special. I never got out of my chair.
We white Europeans were really bastards on both continents.
You got any Aborigine blood in ya?
No, a descendant of England's solution to not being able to feed it's poor! White Caucasian all the way.Convict stock.
What white Australians (The English actually) did to the native people is just as disgusting as any other crime against a nation I have ever heard about.
I wish more people would watch things like this.
Damned criminal stock eh? I gotta keep ya where I can watch'ya...lol
WE did the same to Native Americans...I'm sure you know that.
I was glued to the TV..:-)
We crims are considered the elite by some here!
The latest trendy thing to be. Convict stock!
Yes, like you I watch doco's and have seen what America did to it's native people first hand as well.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= … 037343133#
if it gets snipped google Hidden From History. The website has the documentary Unrepentant.
The video is a terrible indictment of religious hate. This is a fine example of what religion is and does.
Totally disgusting self serving beliefs such as those in the OT are the reason for much carnage. In Australia the religious took the children away from the native people under the same type of belief system.
Hypocrisy in the extreme.
His beard made me believe in Jesus and he said to me, here have an easter egg, but then when I ate it the chocolate stuck to the holy beard and then from that moment on life was not the same as when it came to meal times another piece of food attached itself to the beard and the mould and the stench from the beard grew and grew until one day when a small pubic hair cally Henry couldn't bare it any longer shouted at the beard for being so stinky and horrible to look at that he give him a bath and a shave.....
But was that the end?, no, the beard grew and formed into a mass of hairy wigs and took over a nearby planet....and that is why I chose to believe in Jesus, because I made it up as I went along!
He died for me/us. Realizing this and seeing all he created for us.. our beautiful days,.
Earnest - I've read all your replies in this forum, and it seems you sure are angry about the kids who suffer in poverty-stricken countries. I'm with you. It makes me angry, too, but you're putting all the blame on God, and you're missing the bigger picture.
In the Bible, God gives us a truthful picture of what we will endure in our lives. He says there will be persecution, tribulations, and suffering. The little children you speak of who are suffering? It grieves God to see that happening. But while God has the capacity to just POOF suffering away, that's not what He chooses to do because He works through people. He gives PEOPLE the capacity to change the world and make a difference. Even for these children who are suffering.
I support Joyce Meyer Ministries, and it brings tears to my eyes when they show videos of their trips to poverty-stricken countries. It breaks my heart to see tiny babies with ribs protruding because they are so famished. But organizations like Joyce Meyer Ministries go out into countries like this and FEED THEM. God uses people to reach out and help change these dire circumstances. (And their financial records are available on their website so you know where every penny is going.)
YOU can do something to help these starving kids. The Bible says, "Whatever you do for the least of these, you do for Me." Jesus is saying our love counts. He asks us to love, and to reach out to the hurting and suffering. That's what I do. And I do it because God asks that of me, and because I just plain care, and it angers me to see children suffering. It makes me want to DO something.
Suffering is inevitable. I'm sure it would anger you, too, to hear about children suffering childhood sexual abuse. Why would God allow that? Well, I was one of those kids. It started when I was 7, and ended when I was 19. Years of terror and unspeakable horrors. I hated God. I felt like He abandoned me. What kind of God would let me endure that kind of torture and suffering? A God who knows that if I reach out to Him in my pain, I will find healing. And when I find healing, I can reach out to others who don't know Him, and they can find healing, too. A God who knows that because of the sins of mankind, many children will suffer. But one person can make a difference. I can make a difference by reaching out to help another person who is also suffering. I can start an organization to raise awareness of childhood sexual abuse and find ways to offer help to the children who are enduring this secret pain.
God did not make us robots. He gave us free will. A free will to make our own choices. Speaking for me, I'm choosing to send money every month to an organization that has the ability to reach out to hurting people. They can take my money further than I ever could. Are you helping in this way? Quit blaming God, and do what you can to help the situation. And maybe you already are, and if so, I commend you.
If I had not suffered, I would never have been drawn to God. He WANTS us to lean on Him and rely on Him. He promises to never leave us nor forsake us. My biggest question to Him, when dealing with feelings of Him abandoning me during the abuse, was, "Where were you God, when I was being raped?" I felt His strong answer... "I was there... crying with you." He GRIEVES for the children who are suffering, but there are reasons He doesn't just snap His fingers and make it stop. I would never have believed God was there with me, if I hadn't experienced His true healing from the abuse. Healing that only God could do, and I could NEVER do on my own. And now I have a story of strength that I can pass on to others who haven't healed yet.
I'm sorry for the things that have happened in your life to make you so angry at God. I do understand...there are many things that have happened in mine to make me question Him. But I've also learned that God can handle my anger, and my questions. And when I wait on Him, and seek Him instead of turning my back, and give Him a chance to answer, He does. In time, He makes all things clear.
Well, that's a load of pigswill. God has reasons for allowing tens of thousands of children to starve to death, yet he has all the time in the world to answer your prayers as long as you "give Him a chance"
It really is sad when believers try to justify this.
You totally missed the point of my post.
But - the point of your post was to completely dismiss some one else's opinion and assert that 1, Your invisible super being does in fact exist, and 2, anyone who does not believe in it must be angry at said invisible super being.
Or were you trying to make some other point? LOL
What I think is even sadder...... is human beings not being accountable for human action. If a child is starving, it is not because God didn't provide it. That is man's undoing. Man, and man alone.
I would agree with you .. we are responsible for this not God.
I just finished reading all the comments and replys...I haven't been to hub pages in a while, but was looking for something inspiring. Well, some of this was inspiring...some just aggravating. Here goes:
I think the Bible says something about avoiding foolish arguments...I'm not sure if He would consider some of this foolish .
this is Part of my Story
"He" first spoke to me when I was in my mid twenties. About 6 months before I had gotten pregnant by my long term boyfriend...we were in an off again and on again situation. I had had an abortion. I first suggested the abortion, but when I tried to change that decision...he insisted on it. there were many bad things in our relationship, including I think he planned to have his best friend kill me (another miracle story)
We broke up for 6 months after the abortion...I told him that I did not want to see him again. But when he showed up 6 months later, the relationship started all over again. I didn't know how to get out of it...or had the strength to walk away. I felt our relationship was wrong (as it was) and thought if we were married that at least the sex would be not an offense to God. So one night I prayed to God that we could get married. I felt it was sort of a sacrificial act on my part...therefore God pleasing.
So, as I said I begged God to get married...and just as clear as anything I heard (in my spirit) "NO"...I thought it was my imagination...so I asked two more times...each time hearing the same No. At first I thought God did not care about me...and was going to leave me in this sinful going-nowhere relationship.
Less than two months later we broke up...(this was after a 7 year relationship...shortly after I met and fell in love with the man of my dreams...30 years and 8 kids later, I have to say...whether that was God's voice or not, he was the one I addressed...and whoever I addressed answered.
I think the thing that impressed me most about God was that he did not expect a sacrifice...he was concerned about my well being...and happiness.
I have had many other messages since then...that is why I use the name "Listener" He says "he who has ears to hear, let him/her hear". he also says, "seek me and you shall find me if you search for me with all your heart"....
Earnest...if you want Him, you can find him...if you don't...then? Maybe he will just woo you in...
Maybe I will tell the story of how my Xs best friend took me into a woods at night and threatened to rape and kill me...he even pointed out the ditch he was going to throw me in. what happened after that still amazes me.
My faith has come from my experiences traveling around the world and the country. Too many things have happened in my life to be considered coincidents. I don't claim to be a member of any particular religion but I know that God is with me.
It's interesting to see those who simply will not accept the fact that events can happen randomly and MUST turn to the supernatural as the cause. Hilarious.
Ah, so you openly 'choose' to turn to the invisible and undetectable for your answers when none appear to solve your confusion.
"I haven't an answer to my question so god must be the answer."
Sadly my friend you are the confused one.
However, seeing his futile attempts at debating and playing well with other hubbers today. Makes you wonder why, the poor little guy tries at all. Sad really.
Confusion causes a mess of trouble.
How is that working for you Q? Feel better calling people names, and bashing them in the forums? Is that makes you feel taller?
Well, that's a load of pigswill. God has reasons for allowing tens of thousands of children to starve to death, yet he has all the time in the world to answer your prayers as long as you "give Him a chance"
It really is sad when believers try to justify this
If God interveins every time that humanity makes more babies that we want to feed pretty soon there would be so many people on the earth we will have standing room only.
We will have lost our farmland cause we are standing on that area also and we would be living a life no better than goldfish with our open mouths pointed up in the air waiting to be fed.
Humanity chooses to feed millions of tons of grain to cows so we can grill T-Bone steaks on the weekends.
So who is to blame for the children being hungry ????
Excellent point. I'll take mine medium-well please.
I will not go into the details of how I came to find Jesus Christ. I just thank God that I did. I feel an amazing comfort when I talk with God. It is as if I don't feel alone. It is a hard to explain feeling, but it is as if a peace comes over me and I am being held by the hand as I go through life's journeys.
Truly, it's an awesome experience of peace, especially when one realizes his/her true identity as a beloved child of God consciously. In fact when I understood the gospel of Jesus which was to fulfill the law in the Spirit of the Father other than fulfilling the antics of religion.
Jesus never segregated but walked in perfect love demonstrating the true nature of God(Spirit) in truth, spirit and power. My reasons for believing in Christ Jesus are most numerous.
As are mine for believing it is a sack of old rubbish!
That is what makes people unique, we all have our own beliefs. I choose to believe and you choose not to, we have reached our opinions through different roads.
Yes. We understand the reasons many people believe in God. This is not in doubt.
When they speak for him - that is the problem. Or - when they try and persuade other people he is real - this tends to cause friction also.
Know the road. No persuasion. All very neat and tidy. No need to cleanup. Have a wonderful day!
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