Hating Scripture

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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
Over the past few days I have been witness to and taken part in some pretty lively debates about using scripture to chastise and condemn those who disagree with someone's particular view or belief. During these debates people have been banned, insulted, and made fool of. However the debate rages on. I have been advised that the animosity is not towards those who use scripture in the above mentioned way but is actually a plot of the vocal majority to silence anyone reading, spreading, or believing in scripture. As a Christian myself and a Bible believer so to speak, I have not been the target of this animosity, in fact the only anger I have brushed up against is those so called believers, that see my stance on tolerance and patience as contrary to God's will and word and am in fact hampering God's message and failing to act in love.

So weigh in Hubbers do you all hate scripture or could it be something else, maybe a reaction to the method of its delivery and the person behind it.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate scripture. I don't hate believers and I don't hate nonbelievers. Not worth the effort. I taught my kids that ANYTHING could be used as a weapon. Anything. Scriptures and words are too often used as weapons. So, with that in mind, I do no agree that using weapons to preach The Word is a good idea. Nor is using anything else as a weapon to enforce it is a good idea either.
  
  So, then, as anything can be used as a weapon, anything can ultimately become a tool for good, a blessing, or way to show us how to move forward. Just all in how you want to look at it.
  
  That's my take on the subject.
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  Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brilliant observation. Well said!
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's all in the delivery.
  
  no one's going to want to listen to you (editorial 'you') if you are pounding your message into them with a hammer.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  An interesting thought. Hammer! Oh yea. Communist's hammer, remember? It is symbol of beating and advancing. But even we are on the way to it, communism will not last too long. But memory of suffering will last very long. Vladimir
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  depending upon what the message is, the messenger can feel that there is an urgency for the delivery to be completed.
  sometimes there are too many messengers feeling this way with nothing new to say.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is two kinds of people: religious and biblical believers. It is easy to slide to religion if we are not on guard. I usually do not quote too much scripture. Everyone is intelligent enough to find it, if needed. I am definitely against using the scripture against brothers. That's not only unethical but frankly said sin. The Christians should be very careful. The scripture is for edification, building others.
  As far as concern of witnessing we do not have to introduce sin but Jesus. It is Holy Spirit's job.
  I just wrote the hub Being Positive. Then I must live what I preach.
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  BJCposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to this!!
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that people don't want to hear what the scripture says because they don't want to face their personal down falls.
  
  Reading, studying the bible fills you with love, faith and personal responsibility to improve yourself. People don't want to "change" so they don't want to hear about the things God expects from them.
  
  I use to believe my life was fun when I worked in the casinos, hung out with friends and drank...all the time. But those friends all left when I decided to give up the drinking. Nobody was there; when I really needed someone I turned to God and my life changed for the better.
  
  Through prayer and faith in him I have become a totally new person with a family and great life. I have friends that want to be there for me no matter what I am going through and family I love deeply.
  
  When I have trouble in my life I don't stress; I rely and lean on him even more and trust that things will be fine.
  
  He has wrapped me in a life that is like a "blanket" of protection and I wake each morning very Thankful for HIM!
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See that was a very heartfelt emotional response based on personal interpretation and experience and you didn't even have to quote a single verse to get across your love for God and his effect in your life...
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  loveofnightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wisdom should be excepted in whatever form it appears.why debate the source of a truth as long as it's the truth.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love The Truth.....The Truth is a PERSON.
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Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years ago
Even if you're not a Christian, there is always something to be learned from Scripture . . . but the same can be said of any piece of comprehensive literature. And in regard to literature, there are always a variety of interpretations to be made.
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  lrohnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, Jonathan. Scott, I am certain that the folks on here don't hate scripture. The hubbers, though, love to have intelligent discussions with folks who share a different viewpoint from them. But how can one engage in an intelligent discussion when others respond to tough questions by tossing scripture in everyone's face? You don't see folks in the political forums answering heated questions by regurgitating gobs of legal statutes. They may discuss, interpret and convey the essence of them, but that's about it.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
Wow some very well thought replies so far...and encouraging.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
One can always have fun at the expense of both camps
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is also very true...the dangerous man has no ties to anyone, keeps his own council, and plays his own side.
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BJCposted 15 years ago
Actions speak louder than words and as a believer of the scripture, I believe it is important to act accordingly as opposed to speak to non-believers of the Christian faith. I've said it before and yeah, I'll say it again. Sometimes, some Christians behave worse than an unsaved person and that is VERY offputting. No, none of us are perfect and we shouldn't claim to be, but if we are followers of Christ we should at least allow Him to come through in in our life so others can see a difference in how we live our life.

Finally it would seem that the scripture can provoke change where needed and create some guilt where needed, but it always convicts people and sometimes this conviction creates anger because who wants to be reminded, by scripture, that we're not doing what we're supposed to be doing.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes some Christians behave worse?! As in most of the time most Christians behave better than an “unsaved” person? I don’t see the strong connection between believer and good conduct. To suggest that on the whole “unsaved” persons do not conduct themselves in a decent and moral way is insulting to me.
  
  Imho you grossly overestimate the impact of scripture on those “unsaved”.
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  BJCposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Clarification on saved - someone who has asked Jesus Christ in his/her heart. Yes, sometimes christian people do behave worse than non-christians. For example, in stores or restaurants the Christians have been rude and demanding. I've known them to steal from their employer, talk about others, and lie. These things should not take place and a believer should not think they are above reproach, none of us are. There is no intent to infer an unbeliever is a terrible person. However, if someone professes to be of a particular faith, one would expect moral behavior. Again, no insult intended.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know what saved means. I’m guessing I’m much older than you, therefore likely I have spent at least as much time in church as you have.
  
  Again you imply Christians on the whole have a higher code of conduct. I’d confidently stand toe to toe with any Christian and be assessed for kindness and respect to others.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Morals were set by the word and if you are not a believer than you would not know what Morals are?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry again most laws we know today were set forth in Hammurabi's code almost a thousand years before the first Biblical accounts were written, and in fact as Abraham was an immigrant from this area of what is now Iraq he probably carried this legal tradition with him to Canaan, and from it we get the Ten Commandments.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The ten commandments written by God and given to Moses. He spent 40 days and 40 nights with God as he wrote his words on the tablets.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you considered writing a Hub about your faith and welcome to Hubpages :0
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I have not; why should I?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religion gets the traffic
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you should write a hub because you feel strongly about it
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not disputing that but all morals are not from the Ten Commandments people have had a moral sense of right and wrong thousands of years before Moses came. As such Morals to not come exclusively from the word and Scripture but were a work in progress handed down throughout all of Human history as such Abraham and the Hebrew people were well established before Moses came along and had been following a moral code for hundreds of years.
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Bibowenposted 15 years ago
First, scripture should be used to state what the Christian believes. Second, while I think it's legitmate to use scripture as a "reason why," it will probably not convince many. You have to engage a person's thinking and reasoning. Giving a lone quote from the Bible is not likely to convince.

Having said that, even if Bible verses are not convincing to others, the Christian believes that the statement from scripture is true. So, at least for the Christian, stating verses in discussion is a way of staying "on track" in the pursuit of the truth. And the pursuit of truth has merit regardless of whether you convince others or not in that pursuit.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good words.
  I would like to add first before we talk we should pray and then listen what God say. Vladimir
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Lisa HWposted 15 years ago
I don't hate Scriptures.

I don't hate people who believe in whatever anyone believes in (Christian, non-believers, or otherwise)
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I don't want anyone reading or citing Scriptures to me in day-to-day conversation, though; because if I want to know what's in the Bible I'll look for it myself (or go to a church and hear it from an "official" preacher), and I don't want anyone presuming I need to hear/learn what's in the Scriptures. To presume I "need lessons" is presuming either that I've never heard any religious teachings and/or that I'm not someone who just happens to come by living as a good person naturally. Presuming either of these things is insult.

I like and want separation of church and state.

I also like to relate to people who share their own, personal, thoughts rather than reciting Scriptures. I just think if someone has truly assimilated what they've read/heard about what the Bible says they ought to be able to have a conversation without citing Bible verses. If people have truly learned something and understand what it means they don't need to quote where they learned it from. People can either say something like, "I don't believe in seeking revenge because of my religion," or they could go on and put in their own words why doing something like that is something they see as "wrong". Spewing back Bible verses when others are trying to relate to one is not "relating". It is (or should be) possible to share one's beliefs with others in one's own words. I'd think that would cover the "rules" of some religions which ask their followers to "spread the word" without excluding genuine communication between people of different beliefs.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lisa, I am sure you are beautiful person. But I am sad, even you are mostly right. The way we talk is wrong, it is true. But one can prevent this. See the faith comes not by thinking or behaving, but by hearing Word. Many of us probably do not think and do not hear what we say. We have to be sensitive haw to minister.
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rmcrayneposted 15 years ago
Never have been a fan of smugness or condescension, especially from Bible thumpers.

Past 1 or 2 passages, the scripture loses impact. Don’t like people hiding behind scriptures.

Don’t like people hiding behind prayer. Encountered too many “Christians” who “prayed over it”, which amounted to nothing more than a meditation with themselves to rationalize their bad behavior.

BTW, Well said LisaHW.
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Play Free Gamesposted 15 years ago
This is a loaded question. As a believer, there is no reason for me to hate the scriptures, but love them. I either beleive in all the scripture or none of it.

For unbelievers the scriptures can be difficult to accept and therefore be angry with them. The Holy Spirit has to be within someone in order to understand the scriptures and the ways of God. These are not my words, but what the scriptures say.

Unfortunately, there are many who call themselves Christians, but do not live the life as one. This is what can upset many who are not Christians as the do not practice what they preach. Maybe more will be tolerant of the scriptures when Christians live there lives "Daily" by them.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I am very impressed with the intellectual tone of this conversation. I have to go do some work on my book but I will catch up to this thread later. Very good points everyone, thank you for sharing.
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And all in all, when you're being attacked simply for stating your beliefs, I find it more helpful to simply be embarrassed for such people. If someone uses an attack to present their point of view, then they probably don't want to convince you, they probably just want to vent their anger.
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  lrohnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a decent discussion because we have an intelligent and open person leading it, Scott!
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
If a scripture concept is being debated, I can see that a person would quote it to avoid being accused of taking it out of context; that happens in a lot of religious discussions.

I wouldn't mind seeing a link to the referenced verse(s) so that it's easily available if I need to read it.

When people just use scripture to yell at or threaten people, it's irrelevant.
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\Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago
i love the bible, i read it all the time..... i like to have discussions with people, but i don't quote scripture at them and i don't expect it to be done to me.... a discussion is different than a lecture.....

it would be nice to sometimes discuss our beliefs, ask what do you think this scripture means etc, and accept that different people will have different views that is life...

Jesus always taught by example, so if we copy him we can't go far wrong....... i don't believe anyone is saved, where born again christians think they are..... but wo what.....
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  A_to_Jposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just joined and found this. Very interesting. Just thought I would put my two cents in after reading your take on this Brenda.
  You said Jesus taught by example, this is true but not entirely. Jesus also taught through scripture.
  And aside from that, Jesus is the word. His words are scripture. So when he spoke to the crowds and taught, he was quoting scripture.
  
  I think it is important for christians to share their faith through Gods word. It will not come back void. It's words are more true than our own.
  Just my take on it
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLeNkSip_ew
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus also taught by parable actually it was mostly by parable. As the common man could neither read or write and few had even read the scripture. How does that answer the question about people having a problem with the scripture being quoted or with its delivery , well you're right reader I thought I'd deflect it and give a vague answer. I guess a better question would be when is it pointless to quote scripture, and at what point does doing so serve merely to deflect ignorance and infuriate the listener?
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  A_to_Jposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At what point scott?
  Maybe when it startes to make more sense to them and they begin to believe it.
  
  I don't know just my thoughts
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You really think blindly quoting scripture to justify yourself and your actions without demonstrating its actual impact and effect in your actions is going to win you respect and converts?
  
  I'll give you an example as I'm not trying to say you're wrong. I work with a jail ministry and we go in once a week to meet with the inmates. Now There are also six other churches that go in there on the other six days. They all do the same thing...they go in quote scripture and do what I like to call the salvation and damnation pitch. Now We start out by talking to the guys about how they are who they want and what they want to accomplish in life and we get to know them on a personal basis. Now without fail as we all carry Bible's someone always ask about God, and then a dialog is opened in which we explain what we think and how it has effected us, and even now and then read scripture just to illustrate a point.
  
  Now all the other programs are seeing a drop in enrollment when we asked the inmates why they reply that they're tired of being lectured on the scripture but not being shown how to live it. We demonstrate it first by action then share the scripture when asked why we do what we do.
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  A_to_Jposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not blindly quoting scripture. I didn't say that. You should quote it as it relates to the discussion at hand of course, is all I am saying.
  easy there now,...not wanting a fight here with you. you look like you could kick my butt! lol
  
  But I agree with you and I am glad you do what you do, it is a blessing to them as well as yourself.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
It constantly amazes me ,not so much the unbelief or belief but the amount of crazy people starting threads everyday on much the same topic!

Also it seems to become the same ones venting ( on both sides)

Hate , bitterness, judgement, critism,hostility.

In fairness I guess to them it isnt the same ,but from my perspective it is.

I know how I feel about Jesus Christ and His influence in my life and values, and I dont need to be on repeat , or react to every single negative, just the occassional one.

Guess my point is we could all tone it down ,both sides
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I guess that is the heart of the issue for me, I read the scripture often but I really don't enjoy having thrown at me repeatedly by people that have not internalized it. I feel like I'm not getting in answer in such a case but just a programmed response.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think some people use the scripture to beat people down; but that is not the purpose.
  
  It is to use as a tool to apply to our lives and live by; actions speak louder than words...and if you live a good life you will pass that on to others without having to push it down their throats.
  
  Jesus walked this earth and lived his life according to the word of his father and people followed him and listened to him; they learned and taught..that is what we should be doing.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree with you totally
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Respect means , listening first and sadly many people dont do that.

Wwe could all get on if we really wanted too , so motivation is a good key as well IMO (in my opinion ) and

A strong healthy sense of humour
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getitriteposted 15 years ago
In order for scriptures to be a valid source of reference, one must have a presupposition(assumption) that the bible is the "WORD OF GOD." The nonbeliever doesn't hate scripture, he is just tired of believers using an invalid source(the bible) to prove the premise.

Believers must understand: To the nonbeliever, the bible is not a valid source to support the argument. Therefore, when you keep using scripture to back up your claims, it can make people indignant.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. Most people do not mind a persons beliefs so much as mind being force fed with them.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alot like how to Muslims Christians are wrong and lost, yeah I get your point. One man's enemy is another's hero depending on perspective
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The great thing about the Bible is it has been tested and retested over time and still stands.
  
  So you realize how many authors of the books there were over thousands of years and it all fits? It is the only book written in this manner and the only book that can be documented as truth.
  
  Even the scientist have used to find and test their theories...hmmm something to think about!
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  While I do not disagree as I read the Bible and believe it also, I think you just opened the door on that one, alot of the bible is accurate historically but say it has been proven to be True and you just made a claim that will be impossible to back up to those that don't share your beliefs.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have, absolutely, nothing to back up that claim. And I would gladly risk going to hell before I let YOU convince me of anything.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See, you gotta know how far to go and when that is too far
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should spend a little time studying the findings of this world and how the bible was used. I don't have to convince you of anything that should be done by you having faith in him.
  
  They have proven Jesus walked and died on this earth with use of the bible; they have found cities thought to be "myth" from the use of the bible.
  
  The world searches for the Holy Grail; described in the bible; look at the book of revelations and look at the stories in the news...do they sound familiar?
  
  Think about this; Nostradomous is someone people believe in his profecies...but all his messages were written thousand of years prior in the bible. Strange what people will opt to believe in for fear of holding themselves accountable for their actions that are considered to be sins in the bible. Just because you don't believe doesnt' make it untrue.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nostradamus came 1500 years after Christ and the Bible, just a correction not saying you're wrong
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe what was meant was that the prophecies of Nostradamus were already written in the bible a long time before he prophesied them.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect, my friend, I am really sorry that you didn't get the point. You still have absolutely no proof. That is where the debate gets heated. The believer only has his presupposition, and, sadly, can't see beyond it. On the other hand, some people prefer to make a conscious effort to think and reason before drawing any assumption. BTW, I have read the bible.
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SirDentposted 15 years ago
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Those who have not come to Jesus Christ cannot understand scripture and it helps them none at all. Scripture is for those who have found the grace of God through faith. The scriptures are what perfects the man of God and enables us (believers) to do good works.

Scriptures have been thrown out to embarrass and condemn unbelievers many many times. I have done it myself also. I have learned better than to do that now. It is a process like going to school. Those who use scriptures to hurt others, will learn how to not do it.

The Holy Ghost is the force that leads believers. He is the one who brings us to the truth. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Ghost. I did not have the Holy Ghost until I came to Christ and repented of my sins.

Scripture can perform surgery on those who want it. It can also heal those who need it. To those who do not want it, it is pointless to use it. It is like casting pearls before the swine. (no insults intended but making a point).

Lastly, 1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order. If it is not done in love, then it is pointless. Even unbelievers most of the time can tell if someone is stating something with love or with venom.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I learn more from one of your posts Sir than several others thankyou
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Scriptures are for all; it is never pointless to read the scriptures. If all are born and don't have knowledge of God and never read or hear the scriptures than how would you know of him and his expectations of us.
  
  I read to develop myself to be a better christian; to walk in his words. These are for all to learn.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As soon as I saw the quote marks I almost thought to myself Oh here we go again, but you pulled off a good point and answered my question...good job.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
Remember just because you don't believe doesn't mean its not true there's a double edged sword If ever one were spoken....I love you Margie and I agree with you in alot pf principles but you just shot a huge hole in your argument with that line, these guys are seasoned pros and will use that to tear you apart.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gotcha! Thanks for the advice; could have been better worded.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
Think of this as spiritual debate 101 shore up your defense's to prevent weakness and you argument unraveling...I do appreciate you guys participating though and being civil.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
There is quite a lot to debate here
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
yes there is
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Margie01posted 15 years ago
All the laws of this world are off shoots of the Ten Commandments...think about it; what are the punishments by law for breaking them.

Morals come from what we know to be the "right" way to behave; but where do those "right" ways come from? They come from the rules that were set by God in the commandments.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmm
  
  my son was a very well behaved little boy, and is a very caring and compassionate person with high moral values and he never studied the Bible or the ten commandments, or went to church, so there goes that theory. i think we learn right from wrong from strong role models and how something feels to us - if it feels bad being stolen from, or lied to, or punched, then it's probably not a good idea to do it to someone else.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your son learned by your example or the example of someone close to him and that person learned by someone else...if you carry this back over time it all comes from one place as we did as a people.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Margie , I have family who have morals and values but do no give God credit for having them ,which is fine with me.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years ago
Sidenote: The funny thing about the ten commandments is that they existed long before Moses wrote them down. Hell, the Sumerian people had a list of ten commandments that were eerily similar to the Ten Commandments given to the Hebrew people.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HHMMM....
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  What year was this; I can guarantee they were not....give me more info?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was in the BC era between 5000 to 1000, you'd have to Google Hammurabi, the Assyrians, Sumerians and a few others. I learned it in a history class at Bible College.There are alot of ideas and stories in the Old Testament that are based in earlier traditions and cultures, the Noah flood story was actually first told as the epic of Gilgamesh. As I said, Abraham, the Patriarch of the Hebrews was an immigrant from this land and would have carried many of those traditions from that area with him when he went west.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sumerians were here BCE not before the Ten Commandments; these were written before Jesus was born...alot of people get the who thing confused because they assume that nothing happend before Jesus was actually here walking this earth. The old testament was written long before he was born and died.
  
  Do you realize it took 1500 years for the Bible to be written?
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
No nude pics get traffic though they may be just hubbers
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
From Shuruppak
1900-1700 BC on clay tablets

Do not curse with powerful means, Do not kill, do not laugh with or sit alone in a chamber with a girl that is married, do not steal or commit robbery and do not spit out lies
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey there it is Thanks Earnest....just because something came first or from an earlier time doesn't make it any less relevant or powerful regardless of what you're religion may be. All great Faiths share a similar Moral and behavioral stance at their core despite how far some extremist may wander from it.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True; and it would be before Christ because the Ten Commandments were written before Christ was born...long before.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to history the best accurate guess for the exodus was 1477BCE.
  Hammurabi's Code was written between 1796-1750 BCE, and was based on: Codex of Lipit Ishtar 1870 BCE, which expanded on: The Laws of Eshnunna 1930 BCE, which were based on: The Code of Ur-Nammu from 2050 BCE...when Christ was alive is not relevant in this point, The Hebrews left Egypt then received the Ten Commandments, and Egypt itself had a documented system of Laws and Moral Codes dating back to 3500 BCE. You're dancing around the subject. You stated all Morals came from the word and the Ten Commandments but History shows that's not true at all. The Bible is not a history book, It is the History of The world as Christians and The Hebrew people believe, even then most of those can not come to any agreement on specific dates and time lines without consulting outside historical records of surrounding civilizations and nations.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No dancing; just stating that Morals had to come from somewhere...God established the Way of life from the very beginning (as in) when he created the world and life. There would be no rules, morals or anything had he not put us here...do you realize that?
  
  I am a firm believer in the Bible and even that states that not all was written about what Jesus did while here. It would be impossible to document everything...time was not documented as easily back then. But if this book has stood this long and is the guide to many than it must have something.
  
  Those civilizations were discovered and then information has been found to lead them to even more information with the use of the Bible. Just the fact that there is this conversation around this stands for something.
  
  Do you think it is possible to say that people argue the points because of their own fears?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you that the Bible stands for something no doubt it is a foundation for a life better lived and realized if one chooses to follow it. But I do not believe it to be the end all and be all of history knowledge and truth. Saying that, I do believe that all law and Morals came from God as I believe God created all peoples. To say that all law and morals come from the ten Commandments is bold to say the least, and ignores a tremendous amount of historical fact and documents predating even Abraham by hundreds of years.
  
  I don't know if people argue because of fear or ignorance, I personally believe its just a reflection of how you were raised and educated regarding your faith. If its what you believe and hold to be sacred then its offending to be told that you're wrong. I can be comfortable debating alot of matters of Biblical history and the secular view because I take the long view that since God created all that all is permissible and contributes to a greater work that transcends religion and race.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hehe.... "sit alone in a chamber with a girl who is married"... that's cute.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Do not laugh with," is even funnier.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I'm outta here for the night you all have a good time, be civil and have a good week.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Scott you do
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Scott Life,
Not to burst a bubble on your belly rub about what a Christian should be, but you have entered and exited some very powerful discussions in which you have sided with those aiming to bash the Bible, Christians, God, Jesus and everything a pure Apostolic Faith stands for. Example- mark, lee's hubs. These two do anything and everything just short of the "F" word in front of their lowercase God.

You are in a dangerous position of self righteousness and a confused "interpretation" of the Bible and the Message of Jesus. Or you are a Jesuit.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've never stated anywhere what I thought a christian should be, I'm giving historical facts does that lesson God's power or Jesus legitimacy, I don't see how. I've never said the Bible was wrong or inaccurate but I also know it is a book written over a long period of history in which many things were going on and to discount all of history that is not covered by the Bible and to say its wrong is the Ultimate example of self righteous behavior. If history supports the Bible then yay, but if it contradicts it then history must be wrong is this how a true believer in God should act...I am confused
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But really since you seem to be the authority on how true Christians should act by all means tell us all so those of us unsure can modify our behavior to reflect it and live up to your image.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What's wrong in being a jesuit ?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Now if "that see my stance on tolerance and patience"
means that you need to agree with what atheists say to
gain their trust-b4 you give testimony, you have done a
great job.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh so its the Atheist that you think you're better then now I get it...I'm sorry is it just not holy for me to fraternize with those unsure of God's role or existence
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is merely saying that he is not closed-minded.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
"we" should look at the evidence "your" scientists dismiss as Biblical Facts. "we" should take careful study of literature and evidence that will never get published in magazines and articles because it makes the Bible more accurate(and these magazines are run by atheists).

Finally, a strong stance is not something to be ashamed of. If I debate with a person who has no moral standard, so be it. But they will know where I stand, and I will surely tell them of the Love of Christ. (their final laugh)
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean "Your" scientist, you demonstrate already your attitude of us versus them, yes I've read your hubs and watched you and Lee go at it, my friend but if you think you can boil all of humanity down into us versus them, and believer VS. Non , then you are far from Jesus or God's love my friend and every word you speak just illustrates it further.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let go of the conspiracy man no one is out to silence you and persecute you, the only one persecuting you is YOU.
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
Were there any people that Christ did not "associate with" / "hang out with"?

Were there any people that He refused do do something for?

Was there anything He did not "tolerate"?

Was there anything He had no patience for?

Were there any people who asked Him a question and He refused to answer?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  y / n ?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gonna have to go with No, That i can recall myself.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did HE ever answer Herod's questions ?
  
  Did HE answer any of the false charges brought against HIM?
  
  Did HE hate fear?
  
  Did HE do things for people who mocked HIM?
  
  Did He do things for people who had no faith or belief in HIM?
  
  Did HE tolerate the money changers in the temple?
  
  Did He tolerate the self righteous?
  
  Did HE hang out with scribes and pharisees?
  
  Did HE hate the deed of the Nicolaitans?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was TERRIBLE !!
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there going to be a point in all this...just say what you want to say already
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am asking you because you seem to know a lot and want to tolerate and be patient.
  
  Maybe looking into these things will help you understand more, the one you speak of.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Christian answer to what you're asking is yes he did something for everyone of these people who mocked him, ridiculed him and and asked of him, He died for their sins and in rising again answered all their questions and he often ate and spoke with both Pharisee and Sadducee and prayed even for those that crucified him and hated him...so is that what you want to hear or do you want to tell me how I'm mistaken and point out the flaws in my way of thinking...in three days on these forums I've noticed only one thing that you have a point against whatever is being discussed...so what exactly do you want to hear then so i can save myself some time
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No answer for any of these?
  Where did HE do things for people who had no faith?
  Did He refuse to do things for people with no faith and then when they pleaded, HE gave them what they asked for?
  Was there anything He did not "tolerate"?
  Was there anything He had no patience for?
  Were there any people who asked Him a question and He refused to answer?
  Did HE answer any of the false charges brought against HIM?
  Did HE hate fear? Unbelief?
  Did He make a whip and beat people with it?
  Throw them out of the temple and reject them?
  Did HE do anything for Herod when asked to?
  Did He speak to Herod? Associate with him?
  Did He tolerate the money changers in the temple?
  
  All of the stuff you said HE did, where is that written please?
  I am simply challenging what is being said in order to get to more truth.
  Christ did not mind being challenged at all did HE?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Is not the test of time Good V Evil?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wait so now you're good and those who don't agree with you are evil you definitely got balls my friend, remember with the words you use to condemn me you condemn yourself.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sweet Scott I guess that makes me Evil too since I definitely don't agree with this person. UGH what is wrong with closed minded religious people these days?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
havn't the 7 fat cows and 7 skinny cows hieroglyphs made it into National Geographic. no. hmmm

surely the chariot parts at the bottom of the dead sea have made it there? no. wow.

then science must have reviewed their initial idea that dirt layers(strata) represent millions of years and it has petrified trees going through 60 million years worth of strata. no. maybe long ago trees lived forever and they have evolved to shortened life?

Conspiracy you say? well, how could we call thousands of archeologists spending a lifes work looking for answeres outside of the Bible a "conspiracy". I would hate to think that they wouldn't review their "facts" once new data is collected- but then what about the years wasted?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dude this ain't your Hub and I'm not debating your conspiracy, if you want to expand on it then write a Hub give me the title and I will come read it.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
N-e-ways back to the original question Scott posed: I don't hate the scripture just how people keep repeating it and repeating it and repeating it to me. that is fine when it's once or we are discussing religion (NOT ARGUING MIND YOU ) but when ppl just repeat it again and again to force me to have their same opinion on things then yea I hate it.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Tantrum- "What's wrong in being a jesuit?"

review the Jesuit Oath and then get back to me. I will discuss further if you like, but that is a good starting point.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know about jesuits. I'm an atheist, but if i were forced to believe, i would be a jesuit. They are the only christians that study theology in a scientific way.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure they do. Have you reviewed the oath?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are you exactly Sooner since you insist on spreading your view
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think the oath you're refering to is real. It sounds childish and stupid. i'm sure you're refering to the one that's all over the web .
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is an Atheist, what does it mean to you?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What it means to everybody : a non believer. A theist: without god.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So does that mean you don't believe in the devil as well?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can assure you its real. There are hard copied prints. Jesuits used to be more sectative and this was not supposed to be released EVER. Now they cover their works with charity.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, what are you my friend?
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you do with this oath? And who is it between; anyone that matters?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I don't remember how it goes now, but it doesn't sound very intelligent. Don't you think? Jesuits have been persecuted by the catholic church for ages. Maybe this is another slander
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lynnechandlerposted 15 years ago
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=jesuit
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thank you Lynne ! I'll check it later
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I skimed through it, lynne...WOW!
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lynnechandlerposted 15 years ago
Your welcome tantrum. Makes for interesting reading and there are other sites as well that was just one.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
Don't forget Tantrum you can stay as you are....you can go to meetings at UU churches. they accept EVERYONE
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What's that?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did Christ accept everyone?
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes he did and so do I.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It looks as he accepted me. then I rejected him.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yet if you do decide to come to him he will still be there for you; because he is our Awesome God.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome to hubpages. Please don't lecture me. I HATE religion. Sorry !
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Calvinist God?
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
lol Unitarian Universalists. I have a hub on it
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yikes!! I'm not going ! Nor reading your hub either, sorry
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why not?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because during these days I was off hubpages, I received a lot of e-mails with fan's publishe hubs. There must be like 60 or more! Lol. i will have to delete half of them.no time to read all
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  aaa sorry you got bombarded by so many lol I have gotten tons too and so behind on reading myself lol. You can always just do some research on UU on your own time instead of read my hub
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I have to waste my time reading about those churches, I'd prefer to read your hub
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's all good you don't have to just know that UU excepts all walks of life and walks of religion which is so nice. Feels nice to go somewhere and FEEL welcomed.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years ago
As for the original question; I don't hate scripture, but I do hate what some people will do with it. I have seen many so called 'Christians' use the scriptures to condemn people for the most idiotic of things. I have been told by at least one person that I am in error because I do not want children, nor do I want to marry. (Genesis: Be fruitful and multiply)

There's a will known saying, that all objects in and of themselves are neutral, and they only become good or evil when someone uses them.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well i don't believe you are wrong for not wanting to marry or multiply...but as far as your saying is concerned then how can we explain the evil in this world against the innocent.
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil, I the LORD do all of these things.
  
  Also, just look at the infamous site by Fred Phelps, which not only condemns homosexuals, but also condemns everyone, and they use scripture to support their beliefs about how THEY are the only chosen ones of God. (Everyone else will burn in Hell.)
  
  This is a prime example of using Scripture for the purpose of evil.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're not wrong at all for not wanting to have kids or marry. that isn't religious at all just your opinion and what yu awnt to make you happy in life. Marriage and having kids isn't for everyone and you feel that it isn't right for you so props to you!
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey i just got told four weeks ago That wanting marriage and kids was against God's will and selfish that God should provide all the fulfillment I needed...this coming from married men with families...I kid you not.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WOW what? that is crazy, Scott! those guys are weird and dumb lol
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey RELIGION can be weird, and has many strange rules
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  @crazdwriter - Thanks! My mom is disappointed that I've decided not to have children, but I've just told her that I'm not good with kids.
  
  @ Scott.Life - Yeah, I've heard alot of stuff about marriage. How the only saints of God never get married, bla bla bla. Then I hear that you have to get married to prove that you love God.
  
  Where does this crazy stuff come from?
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  glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dualistic philosophy usually gnostic sources. Thats why I love to quote the bible especially genesis. In beginning male and female. And it was good.
  
  Human philosophies try to save themselves by works and see flesh as evil so glorify celibacy. In the beginning it was not so.
  
  Nevertheless in reality some born eunuch and some will make themselves eunuchs for the gospel sake. Not to be enforced as a burden or requirement for salvation.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
"Nothing either right or wrong. Thinking makes it so."
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I tend to lean towards the evil is the absence of good, just as hell is the absence of God more then a particular place.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  absolutely and good night all
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good and evil is knowledge we apparently were not to have touched or tasted of.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Genesis certainly makes the argument that we weren't supposed to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, maybe God would have preferred to show us when he was ready instead of us taking a shortcut to knowledge without the maturity to handle it, yet.
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's a piece of scripture concerning this that I always found interesting.
  
  Romans 8:19-21
  
  19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
  
  20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
  
  21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
  
  and the NIV
  
  19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that[a] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on! He knew the woman could not resist eating the fruit and besides, he knew the future. Why didn't he just put the tree somewhere else if he knew Eve would eventually give in to temptation. For a supreme being this God made an awful lot of mistakes in judging his creations. If Adam and Eve did not know what right and wrong was they could not have sinned by eating the fruit.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No need to know right from wrong in order to follow simple instructions not to taste or touch something when told not to.
  No need to put temptations "someplace else"....anywhere they are is where you are...you are the one who has to resit them, not have them removed.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But those without sin cannot be tempted because they have no guile.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any child can be tempted and they have no guile.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Temptations are the best thing there is
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  These were not children. They did not know right from wrong until they ate the fruit, therefore they could not sin until after they had eaten. Children DO know if they do wrong in many instances. At least I did.
  
  You never answered my question how you got your name.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They knew to follow instructions because when tempted, Eve told the serpent what GOD said to do and not to do, so she did know what the boundaries were.
  They were children too, God's children.
  Sin is to not follow instructions....just that simple.
  
  From the Torah:
  This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength"
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So they already knew right from wrong before eating the fruit? Then what waa the point of the whole fiasco?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They did not know good and evil...they did know to follow instructions and would not.
  They had plenty of trees to pick from and they could have eaten from the tree of life too...
  they wanted what they wanted,.... just like many today...and that created the fiasco.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But God already knew they would eat the fruit. Why go through the motions of a given?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He knew they had a choice to make.
  He knew the outcome no matter which way they went with said choice.
  If I already know what you are going to do, but you make a change and correct it, can you not change your destiny? And I knew you would do that too?
  Or do you think God learns patience with people?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. I do no think God learns patience with people. I would assume if he were all powerful he could learn nothing from man. He would already know the entire outcome from his little experiment with humans and the suffering they would endure because of his little experiment. I do not need such an ignorant being.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did Jesus learn anything while He was here?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure he was ever here.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God is within you and all this is happening because you want it to.Its a game you are playing with yourself , creating experiences to find out your real self. You have decided before coming to this planet what you want to see and experience.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But still, why din't God, in all his wisdom, just, simply not tempt these innocent first beings?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  because we are God's joke.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or we are just some alien races experiement?
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  glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tempting theory.
  
  But then christ would not need to die on cross. The Cross shows need for divine-human mediation.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's more like...we have a Sado-Masochist relationship with God. He's a sadist and we are masochist.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  those who believe in him are !
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not Tantrum that was mean I believe in God...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't read my posts then. half of them you're not going to likethem
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True but I like reading your posts
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does it say GOD tempted them or someone else did?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't God know it was going to happen anyway?
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And, so, why would God leave these innocent beings,that he "loved" vulnerable to the whims of a very powerful Satan then. One cannot be God and not God at the same time.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's like asking
  "why do I leave my child in the kitchen where they could hurt themselves with something"?
  Why do I tell them not to touch the stove and then walk away to see if they do it?
  Do you have temptations in your life?
  Do you remove all of them from yourself?
  Why not?
  What parent removes all temptations from a child?
  The child just gets told what to do or not do. No parent "EXPLAINS" everything!!!
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, it's like leaving sharp knives and loaded guns around children and trusting they will be fine. You wouldn't do that and supposedly God is a little smarter than you.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you did not answer any of the questions.....why not?
  I asked you 4 questions.
  
  And to answer you, I was 5 years old when I got my first hand gun, 7 when I got a .22cal Winchester Rifle, 12 when I got a 12gage Shotgun....never hurt anyone with any of them......had guns, knives and weapons all my life.
  I can follow instructions though. None of it was locked up in a closet either.
  Kept all mine in my room, same with my brother.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did not answer your questions because you ignored mine about how you came by your alias on this site.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did to answer you Randy....did you not read it?
  
  This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As a fallen pastor once said to me"logic has no place in Christian religion." He was right but I still wonder why it has to be so. Going to bed now. By the way, the story of Genesis is just that, a story.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See, I gave you an answer and you do not return in kind.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You did not give an answer, you quoted scripture. Who decided you deserved the name quietnessandtruth. A name like this is earned not taken.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You asked where I got it from and I told you.
  No, salvation is not "earned" Randy...it is given and received.
  
  the name is not "quietnessandtruth"
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, my mistake. So you just assumed it suited you? Well, I guess this is quite common on this site. Perhaps I should use wonderfulandbrilliant as my alias. HA!
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said it was given and I received it. I know you can read better than that Randy.
  And you still have no answers?
  OK that's fine.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps I have missed a post somewhere, if so I'm sorry. Who gave it to you? I will go back and look at your questions again.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously the One who said it gave it to me and anyone else who believes on HIM.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I understand correctly, God himself gave you this name along with other believers. Did God appear to you and say " I now endow you with this title and the other believers voted the same way." If not, then clarify please.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shows you what the "pastor" knows.
  
  "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"
  
  Greek word for the term translated Word is "Logos"....we get our word "logic" from it.
  So the man is a liar.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can I argue with someone named and appointed by God himself?
  
  I didn't know the bible was originally written in Greek.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So God is merely a parent. I thought he was omniscient. How can an all powerful God be compared to having the parenting skills of a mere mortal creature with very limited knowledge. As I stated earlier: One cannot be God and not God at the same time.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Being a parent is part of being GOD....not merely being GOD.
  HE is not compared to us, we are compared to HIM.
  How about some answers to my questions?
  
  Omniscient is not the same as All Powerful by the way.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is a means by which to frighten and confuse, and ultimately to...control. I have proven my point, while you talk in circles(confusion)with answers someone else gave you(control) and you think you are having an intelligent debate. If we, then, are compared to Him, he is a bad example for us to follow. This is not about definitions of words, it's about the truth. I'm aware that omniscient means unlimited knowledge.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody gave me any answers.....I do not go to learn from anyone.
  Not interested in religion or controlling you or anyone else.
  Make no diff to me if you believe a word said.
  "it's about the truth"?
  What truth?
  Yours?
  Mine?
  Or the truth?
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  glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Randy thats the most difficult question for me in the universe.
  
  The answer is not very direct but helps: God had to give us free will. Nature of conflict between good and evil. So assuming that God saw it coming he could not do otherwise because he was bound by free will.
  
  Humanly, I see it as a divine tragedy. The bible presents it as a cosmic drama which begun in heaven. I would much prefer to have been born in a universe without sin. But we are already here so the best friend to have, as the song says, is Jesus.
  
  God gave us a choice and made provision for possibility of sinning by providing a Messiah. "Lamb slain from foundation of the world."
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I'm out everyone, I haven't slept in two days and i got work in the morning, thank you everyone for weighing in with your opinions even if I don't understand them, I'll still listen . Catch up to this tomorrow.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bad Scott Bad! Get to bed dude you need your sleep.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
@ Scott Yea tell me about it...Religion is definitely weird. Glad I became open minded

@ Sanctus: Ah...yea that is one thing that mom's do want...you to have kids so they can have grandkids and spoil them to death LMAO

By the way Sanctus have you just hung out with kids at like a park or something to know if you really aren't good with kids? just curious.
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I have. I am good with kids, I just don't want any of my own.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  AAAAAA I got you peggged you are one of those ones who would rather make other ppl's kid hyper and then go home and not deal with your own kids all hyper LMAO Just kidding.
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo
  ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo*inhales*
  ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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lynnechandlerposted 15 years ago
Nite Scott and everyone else. It has been interesting.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  night Lynne ttyl chica
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
From one of the most ridiculous biblical nonsense of Adam and eve and the kids that had incestuous sex that ended in mankind being every colour of the rainbow! Religion explains this by introducing "children of man of which Adam was apparently first! wottalottarot!
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking of Adam and Eve...I saw an Eve Costume for Halloween at Spencers LMAO
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Would you wear it for me please?
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope I'm not going as Eve this year...I am going as a fairy again this year. The Brat by Amy Brown LOVE HER WORK! Sorry Misha lmao
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never hurts to ask though. Sometimes you shall receive
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It it makes you feel any better I'll find some old Halloween pictures and make a hub about Halloween and post my pics
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would be quite delighted to see it. yet I'm afraid you can't post Eve's costume pics, goes against the TOS.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol yea really LMAO but no worries I don't have any costumes like that I swear
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cool, go for it then!
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
lol breath Sanctus Breath LMAO
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *is dead due to lack of breathing*
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh great...people we've lost one. Anyone got a sharp stick so we can poke him?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry she would raise from the dead ,like Lazarus I'm sure !
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *grabs popcorn to watch her raise from the dead* okay I'm ready HAHA
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  Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What'd I miss, y'all? xD
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Well if anyone needs any spare kids, I have plenty today, and will pay handsomely to be relieved of a few!
Just kiddin. I love em all, but I wish they would talk one at a time!
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
No need to put temptations "someplace else"....anywhere they are is where you are...you are the one who has to resit them, not have them removed.
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