Here's the twist... How can you prove that God doesn't exist?

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  1. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 9 years ago

    Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid.     
                           Proverbs 12:1

    1. aka-dj profile image77
      aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That's good.I like that.
      How can you bring correction to one that rejects the truth?
      If I say "such and such is wrong", does that bring correction?
      To some yes, but not in these forums. It brings condemnation like "who do you think you are shoving your beliefs on us", or "who gave you the right to judge others". Then there are the less venomous ones like "how condescending is that?". Or "holier than thou attitudes"

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        When you point the finger there are three pointing back at you.  Think about that one dj.

  2. topgunjager profile image60
    topgunjagerposted 9 years ago

    just curious, i see a lot of people here talking about truth, how do you define what's true anyway? what's the basis of the truth you speak of? i'd like to read opinions from both sides=)

    1. cheaptrick profile image71
      cheaptrickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Truth is one of those elusive things people use to validate themselves.Usually people who talk about"I'm telling the Truth"are lying for sure!Kinda like the pimps in Mexico who say"you can buy my mother,shes a Virgin".IMO,absolutes are circumstantial...

    2. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Truth, and particularly 'The Truth' is actually little more than a buzzword for proselytizers. The only way we can advance is through 'objective knowledge' which is the body of results and derivations from theories which have been stated in falsifiable form and which have not yet been falsified.
      Such knowledge might be true, but has not been proven.
      The above deterministic model can be (must be) softened, or rendered slightly more 'fuzzy' allowing for statistical analysis in non-deterministic fields like biology, psychology etc. Nevertheless the basic criterion of falsifiability still applies, and we can say meaningful things about the probability of error in our theories.
      Personal revelation, mysticism, ancient scripture, prophesy, etc may be interesting and may sometimes contain truth, but as they are unfalsifiable in their formulation, they belong strictly in the class of non-science, on the far side of a bridge of faith.

    3. marinealways24 profile image58
      marinealways24posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I have a theory of how to find truth, but I don't know if it's correct. I think a formula shoud be logical thought, faith in that logical thought, then the thoughts debated with others to find a logical truth.

      1. marinealways24 profile image58
        marinealways24posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Then again, all of the words you and I use along with everyone else could simply be an illusion to make use think we know what we are talking about.

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    seasoningposted 9 years ago

    how long is this thread going to drag on

  4. yoshi97 profile image67
    yoshi97posted 9 years ago

    How interesting ... we skip past that we have no answer for to reply to something we already admit is muddled in uncertainty.

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    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    Okay I'm jumping in.  My theory is this.  If God as people say want peace and goodness for all mankind, understanding there will be tragedy, why does he leave everyone in doubt.  Prime example this forum.  He could, will all his said to have powers ease everyones mind with one gesture.  Then no one would have doubt.  Surely he would want this, then people could unite with truth not fiction.

    Yet he does nothing of the sort.  Come have a Starbucks, talk over the clouds.  People may argue but he speaks every day in the form of miracles.  He also speaks everyday through the form of tragedy.

    So show up or I'm not buying.  To carry a bible under my arm, and call a man named Jesus Christ is a little far fetched.  I am not without spirituality, however I am with doubt about a God that could easily clear things up if he existed and release the chase of faith.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmm.....very interesting, my friend.

      How are you today kim? big_smile

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    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    Without God seems to be
    lol

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol lol

      Isn't everyone?

      Seriously, isn't everyone living without God?

      It's not like they each really need his help. They live their life, with their own thoughts and by their own actions. So where does God play a factor?

      lol

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        lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        in loneliness and fear

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Loneliness? Don't they have themselves or family?

          Fear? What are they afraid of? Their own life, I don't get how you can be afraid of life. Unless you're fear is death. And, in that case, they are not really afraid of life, but afraid of death and what they leave behind.

          Just a thought.

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            lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            well my feeling is far too many are.

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, by far...too many people fear death. And, therefore they don't really understand their life. big_smile

              Just another thought. lol

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                lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                unfortunately too many live in the destination and miss the journey

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Isn't blissful ignorance wonderful. lol lol lol lol

                2. XTASIS profile image60
                  XTASISposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  What a Hell of a trip they're missing !
                  lol

                  1. Cagsil profile image77
                    Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Agreed. lol

              2. Stimp profile image71
                Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Alright, Cags, stop thinking now lol

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Bite me. lol

                  1. Stimp profile image71
                    Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Wow!!  Wasn't expecting THAT from you....  too funny....  lol  lol

      2. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        The one putting those thoughts into your head.God is orchestrating this entire cosmos not only we humans on this planet.

        1. Bovine Currency profile image61
          Bovine Currencyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          God orchestrates this entire cosmos?  Well let me play the fiddle as I sing, 'the wheels on the little yellow bus go round and round, round and round... lololol  god inserts thoughts now...  WOAH! HAHALOLOL!!!

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            So have you created these planets and stars and now move them around with such precision.Have you created yourself? So how can you say they are only your thoughts when you haven't made yourself.

            1. Bovine Currency profile image61
              Bovine Currencyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Nothing was created, it has just always been.  If there was no beginning there was no creator. 

              All you can achieve by opening this sort of discussion is nothing.  You believe in a creator god.  others might argue the big bang.  Me, I dont buy either so you are picking the wrong guy.

              1. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Have you been around always or were you created a few years back?
                Will you all ways be around or will you be destroyed in a few years time?
                There is a creator and I have come across the Light like many others have.Because you haven't doesn't mean god doesn't exist.

                1. Bovine Currency profile image61
                  Bovine Currencyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  My mum and dad created me, not god LOL!!  you are a funny dude

                  1. mohitmisra profile image59
                    mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Do you believe all to its was sex, isn't it far more complex than that.You can have sex and have babies, are you really solely responsible for creating.

                2. Bovine Currency profile image61
                  Bovine Currencyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Lets just skip to the meat of it.  Why don't you tell me who created god.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image59
                    mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    That is why this super entity is called god, all comes from him , nothing creates god.

  7. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
    GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years ago

    1) Define exist CONSISTENTLY. Science doesn't deal in loose terms like god does with loose women. Science is a study that is objective and rational. Please define 'exist' in a RATIONAL manner so that it applies to ALL those items above which YOU say exist!

    2) Be prepared to be slapped with a straight-jacket and shipped to an insane asylum.


    If you don't want to go down the path of science, then you have 3 other choices:

    1) Define 'exist' in logic. Then use a logic argument to show how the above items exist.
    2) Define 'exist' philosophically. Then use a philosophical argument to show how the above items exist.
    3) Define 'exist' religiously. Then use a religious argument to show how the above items exist.

    The Rationale Fatfist and Mohi Here in this Thread is proving the non-existence of Supreme Entity who is God I wonder why you two have Gotten Here at the existence...

    @ Fatfist how will you prove the non-existence of God... I am keeping my eye on your reply... Lets get into the meat of the thread not the other way around...

  8. Stimp profile image71
    Stimpposted 9 years ago

    Ok...I'm gonna answer a question with a question.  How do you prove something does NOT exist?  Is that even possible?  If a person doesn't know what a donut is, how can I convince them it's not sitting on my counter, when in fact it's not?  I don't know just askin.

    1. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
      GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      How sure it doesn't exist you have no proofs of the non-existence?

      The Burden of Proof lies to the Atheists, show Proof of God's non-existence... The Theists are awaiting your witty, smart, sizzling and crisp answers...

      1. Stimp profile image71
        Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        AS in MINE, personally?  Cuz they'll be waitin' a long time.  I've got none this a.m.  Too tired. lol

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Excuse you sir. The BURDEN of PROOF is on the believer. They are the ONES trying to bring into reality, something that has already been defined as NOT real or doesn't exist in reality.

          You want proof that God doesn't exist....READ the post I left for Stimp.

      2. profile image54
        (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Many answers have been provided for you, some from a scientific perspective, all of which you've hastily and without any forethought dismissed.

        Cult indoctrination is a powerful tool that has been honed over the centuries to decimate any hint of critical thinking, reason and rationale in a child growing up in such an environment.

        This is the burden of proof all too evident in your posts.

    2. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Stimp- I keep trying to tell people, but they simply won't listen.

      How do you prove something does NOT exist? By living in reality.

      That simple. Reality exists. It exists free of independent thoughts, desires, will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.

      By 'all knowable', it means that we can define, measure or grasp, everything we have learned or created. Whenever mankind makes a new discovery, then reality anews from a new point and we move forward. It's called "objective" reality.

      In case people want proof of what reality is- you are it. Your human consciousness grants you the ability to determine what is real and what isn't. Your conscience re-affirms whether or not something is real or not.

      Should you try to bring something from outside of reality, into reality, then you're consciousness and your conscience will not be fooled, because those two things can't be fooled by the mind.

      1. XTASIS profile image60
        XTASISposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        So clear!
        Why Believers can't see the truth in this statement ?
        Well, we know the answer, don't we ? big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          The reason the can't see the truth in that statement is because it challenges their faith and they see it as a lie, so that they can justify to themselves that they believe.

          However, with that said- the consciousness, conscience and subconscious can never be completely fooled or forced to convert, something that isn't real, to be real. And, this is basic biology of human nature, which can't be broken.

      2. Stimp profile image71
        Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I had with my mother.  One year around my birthday, she called all upset.  Okay "what's up, ma?"  "Did you get my eCard for your birthday?"  "no, I didn't".  As the tears flow from her eyes and the voice quivers she says "Well, why didn't you tell me."  WT#?  I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING.  How could I tell her I didn't get it when I didn't know of it's existence.  I tried to explain that but you know mothers.  She was so upset by that point, there was no reasoning.

        and for those who have decided to make inappropriate judgements or decisions about who I am or what I believe in....I am not an atheist.  I have my own belief system, but it certain doesn't mean I am an atheist.  Sorry, to disappoint you (not you Cags...just "you" in general).

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          No problem, I just said the same thing, because I'm not part of any form of religion. Just simply because I KNOW what they are.

  9. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
    GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years ago

    The Atheists will laugh at every answers the Theists might answer if they are asked about the existence of God... Because Atheists will use every trick in the book to discredit God...

    But the Theists will rejoice when Atheists are asked of the non-existence of God...

    Even the greatest Atheist Scientists cannot claim of the non-existence of a very Powerful Entity...

    And so far this thread haven't induced any substantial answers of the Atheists to the thread's question, that is... How can you prove that God Doesn't Exist...

    Conclusion: "GOD DOES EXISTS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT"

    This thread was few days old already and no breakthroughs is whipped out by the Atheists...

    I'm no longer posting in this thread in the days ahead as much as possible...

    Because this thread already served its purpose...

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Excuse me sir- I AM NOT an atheist or of any religion.

      So, please refrain from labeling ALL non-believers into the category of atheism. It's absurd and it's an insult.

      1. Stimp profile image71
        Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you.... big_smile

        1. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
          GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah You are right... I already modify it Buddy, BTW, Have a nice day to the two of you... Stimp and Cags big_smile

          1. Stimp profile image71
            Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Well you have a good day too....and I mean that!!

          2. yoshi97 profile image67
            yoshi97posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I already offered proof that 'the biblical God' as we know it can not exist, but was ignored. Now, I do believe in God as a force of nature, so I won't discount that ... but with the argument I gave earlier ... either the biblical God doesn't exist, or he he is more human than we are - given to perform acts that are contrary to his own existence and purpose.

            But that's okay ... refute the easy ones because they take far less energy. After all, it's real easy to say science isn't proof, but let's here religion say the Bible isn't true! the Bible creates a paradox that no religionist will touch, because they already know it's contradictory in their mind - so they call that part imagery ... but heck ... all the rest is true, right?

            You're not looking for discussion or debate ... your looking for proof that God must exist, and when given strong evidence to the contrary you people go on debating with the ones basing their arguments on science (as you requested) which puts them in a no-win situation.

            You can't absolutely disprove anything, but you CAN prove an unresolvable paradox exists, which debunks what is commonly believed.

            So, keep debating with the scientists ... it's an easy win. smile


            Which brings me to the point ... why would a believer (such as myself) basically state that God doesn't exist? I'm only saying God doesn't exist as people perceive God should. God is nature ... and in that sense God definitely exists. However, God is not this voyuer watching our every action and passing judgment upon us. If he was doing as many believed then his responses wouldn't be so mixed in the Bible.

            The funniest thing is ... my God is stronger than your God, as no one can disprove nature. Now, the God in the Bible ... too many paradoxes to consider it all true.

            Ah well, continue on and keep ignoring me ... ignorance is bliss. smile

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              From the descriptive measure you use to provide proof of GOD, which is your perspective and I will not argue, because You can label Nature however you please. Mankind call Nature, Nature.

              I will not contest Nature's existence, because if it wasn't for Nature's existence, human life couldn't exist, as it does.

              I bow to you Master Yoshi. big_smile

              Your perspective is proper, as long as, you don't think Nature itself is a guiding source to be listened to. lol

              Such, as a higher authority, who commands humans to obey. lol

              Otherwise, I'm good with your position.

              But, one question- How do you see Nature? Does just exist or did something or someone create it?

              I'm just curious about your perspective on that, if you don't mind. I'm always a sucker for good conversation Yoshi. But, it's someone of these other people who are completely out of whack and really don't understand life or their own beliefs.

              Thank you for a well thought out post. big_smile

              1. yoshi97 profile image67
                yoshi97posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                I see nature as a set of cosmic laws we are only just beginning to understand. Do I see nature as a being ... no. Do I see nature as creation ... yes. Do I see nature as something we need to understand better ... absolutely!

                We can't create stars, black holes, or planets ... but nature can ... for that we should be in awe and reverence. As it is, we do enough damage to our planet out of our ignorance of how nature works. By learning more, we could fix up what we messed up and go on to make many great discoveries!

                Nature is a force that will always dwarf any of our accomplishments, which is why I see it worthy of being considered as the God of creation ... though in this presence of form it's not the kind of God that answers prayers.

                For the God we all seek, we need only look within. For internally we are capable of good or evil and we are free to chose at any moment which path we shall follow. To think there is a heavenly force ready to punish us for any misguided step is crucial for many to perceive the need for everyone to get along, but there are quite a few of us capable of moderating our behaviors on our won.

                The only means by which to resolve the God paradox is to see God as a belief and realize that those who believe in God give him substance, thus making him real (to them).

                Nature is the most powerful force in the universe ... as God is proclaimed to be an all powerful force, then does not nature fit the definition?

                As for what created nature ... I don't see nature as having a creator. Nature is a series of laws that interact to create everything around us. As such, while nature is constantly changing and in motion, these changes are brought upon by the laws of nature and are not able to be changed or modified without the use of another law.

                As an example ... gravity ... A rock dropped from your hand will always strike the ground, unless another force counteracts the fall. Example ... if you drop the rock on a spring, the spring could shoot it back into the air.

                I hope that helps to explain my thoughts a bit. smile

                1. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
                  GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Now this kind of post make sense...

                  Laws of Nature also encompasses all other Laws in Science... Being a rationalist I see your view as God as the Nature itself...

                  God created the universe and everything on it with this Laws, in contrast to some beliefs that God is nothing but to worship him with faith is half truth half lies, God worked in wonderful ways and through the wonders of Nature you'll see his existence... I hope I'm right though... big_smile

            2. fatfist profile image77
              fatfistposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              That is a very crucial point, yoshi.


              How can somebody say that this "God" concept (an idea in people's minds) is directly mapped to a supernatural object that is supposedly part of reality as described in the OT, NT, and Koran?

              They can't! If they say it's true, then they belong in the insane asylum along with the idiots who claim that gravity is some type of a being. Nobody knows what any of these basic imponderable effects of our reality are: gravity, electricity, magnetism, light, matter, energy, space. And we experience their "effects" every single day. How the hell can anyone say there is some supernatural effect called "God", and they know "Him", he has a "son", and he has given them some type of truth they call absolute?

              If any such supernatural "thing" is possible, it certainly isn't called: God, Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha, etc. Nor does it have any "truth" to give you. It couldn't care less about you or whether you were naughty or nice. It probably couldn't even think.

              The herding mentality of humans has always made them pursue imaginary beings into oblivion. That's their faith, and that's fine. But that's where the party ends. Once they say this imaginary being is "real", then they shouldn't complain when other people respond to them.

    2. profile image54
      (Q)posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, I would agree. It demonstrates clearly that the mind of an immature child can remain intact well after childhood.

      It also demonstrates that those same minds will believe anything they want to believe despite facts to the contrary.

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        adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I am new to this but would you give the FACTS to the contrary that proves that God does not exist?

        1. TimTurner profile image68
          TimTurnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          All religions are created so they can't be disproved because they are based on faith.  YOU need to ask why YOUR religion is the right one and YOUR god is the right one.

          Organized religion was created about 2,500 years ago with Buddhism.  Juddiasm and Christianity came about around 2,000 to 1,500 years ago then Islam, Mormons and the rest.

          But humans have been around for a good 15,000 years.  So why wasn't religion part of those people's lives?

          Simple.  Religion is man-made.

          But since all religions are based on faith (great way to build a company, btw) you can't prove or disprove it.  Funny how that works, huh? smile

          1. TimTurner profile image68
            TimTurnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, it looks like Buddhism and Judaism was created around 3,000 years ago.  Again, if a god existed and was always there, why didn't he show himself/herself/itself 15,000 or 20,000 years earlier to the humans living around that time?

            There is no way around those facts.  Religions we know today were created WAY after humans existed.

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              adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Religion is as old as mankind and there is no such thing that  life as we know it has been around 15,000 or even earlier than that. That is a myth that no history can account for.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Actually there is a good argument that we became self aware around 30,000 years ago.

                We are talking archaeology, anthropology and geology though - not history.

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                  adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  How could you dissociate those disciplines from History? How would you use the "data" you gather from them? What do you do use the archaelogy data for? Not to ascertain History?

        2. fatfist profile image77
          fatfistposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Once you define this "God" using positive predication and reify it into reality, it is extremely EASY to prove that it is impossible for such a "thing" or whatever, to exist. This is why all theists and theologians refuse to provide such unambiguous definitions. It is this failure to define the terms that make or break one’s argument that allows people to get away with murder.

          If you don't define it, OR, "attempt" to define it using a sleight of hand we call NEGATIVE predication, then it only remains as a concept in your mind. Then you must concede that it is only part of your faith. It's that simple!

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            adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I don't quite get you but you are missing the point that the God, the God of the Jews, that we say created the Universe can not be defined and I don't deny the fact that I know He exists only by faith. This God of the Jews I am talking about, no human or creature can stand in from of Him. it is just that complicated!

            1. fatfist profile image77
              fatfistposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              (can not be defined and I don't deny the fact that I know He exists only by faith.)

              Now we're getting somewhere. Everybody has faith in some type of proposition. You admit you can't unambiguously define this concept in order to reify it into reality. So you have "faith" it somehow exists, without even defining the word "exists". And that's ok. You have faith. I don't have any issue with that. Thanks for the response.

              The point is: we can't disprove something that cannot be defined!

              We can't disprove that "skhgyejblah" is not some type of supernatural whatchamacallit.

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                adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                If you can not disprove it, then it exists! And if you disagree with that what is your argument?

                1. fatfist profile image77
                  fatfistposted 9 years agoin reply to this

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                    adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Don not ask for definition. We are not babies here. I don't see how I have been cornered at all. A proven truth???????? That does not sound right. There is too much air in that phraseology. An enraged Pilate asks Jesus once: What is truth? after He told him He came to earth to testify to the truth. Perhaps, even if all "truths" could be proven they would have nevertheless be discarded because they just will not fit some brain harness.
                    Can you prove true love scientifically?

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                adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, "skhgyejblah" exists because you've just created "it". We are not just sure about its attributes.

                1. fatfist profile image77
                  fatfistposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes! It exists as a concept in MY mind. The fact that you referred to it, also proves that it now exists as a concept in YOUR mind.
                  If I write a bible about it and herd a bunch of people together to believe in it, then it will exist in more people's minds.

                  The point is: It is not defined. The word supernatural is not defined either and cannot be defined. So there is NOTHING to prove or disprove. Get it now?

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                    adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    I am sorry to say I still do not get it. How could it still be a concept in your mind [not mine] when you are looking at it in front of your eyes on your monitor? If you can create something it is no longer a concept. Have you ever read the Bible, though? I am just curious. Because if you did you would not have posted that anology.

  10. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 9 years ago

    You're welcome Stimp. big_smile

  11. Stimp profile image71
    Stimpposted 9 years ago

    alright...Cags...I can prove there is a God, in two ways
    1.  I fell off my horse and broke my damn rib last week....if Adam hadn't given a rib of his own for women, I'd have one less and therefore, probably wouldn't have broken that very one

    -- AND --

    2.  My bro-in-law had perkoset at thanksgiving and slipped me a few so I could get through it all.  And I said, "thank you, there IS a god."

    I'm not sure how much more you need lol

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It's nice to see that you give credit for what others do to God.

      How very moral of you. Interesting thought tho.....

      1. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
        GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I need proofs Buddy not discussion that is the goal of this thread...
        You are perfect to your opinion and thank you for saying I'm a very moral person at least other people done that for me hehehehe even in thoughts... big_smile

        No Proofs Still... big_smile

        I thought the atheists here are highly logical but I am seeing otherwise, I hope they are not like rats as they escape when cornered...
        I hope they're not...
        smile

        Your funny reactions will prove nothing... big_smile big_smile big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          What do you need proof of? Just curious.

          I've been here all day and already posted my thoughts. If you're not willing to read through the entire thread, that's not my fault.

          I don't necessarily need to repeat myself, that's for sure. You missed the party. lol lol

          Party is over. Have a nice day now. lol

          1. GeneralHowitzer profile image69
            GeneralHowitzerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Darn, I missed it wakikik...

            No Proofs still... Though...

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              You must not read well. Hmmm....that's sad.

    2. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      And, just curious....so I have to ask.....What makes you think ADAM was a real person?

      1. Stimp profile image71
        Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Cags...have you met me....I'm funnin' with ya (well actually with others THROUGH the use of you!). big_smile

  12. Stimp profile image71
    Stimpposted 9 years ago

    And, Adam was here for breakfast...he brought donuts lol

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      lol So, how is after 2000+ years? lol

      1. Stimp profile image71
        Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Ya know they were a little stale...but you pop those babies in the microwave with a dish of hot water for 30 seconds or so and you got yourself a meal, my friend..... lol

  13. drej2522 profile image80
    drej2522posted 9 years ago

    some mother's children...i tell ya smile

  14. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 9 years ago

    Religion teaches- 'MIME, conscience and subconscious'

    What does that boil down to? Control.

    They want you to be mimic(obey and follow without question), use your conscience and listen to your subconscious.

    However, what NO ONE does not realize is that to do the first "MIME" is completely against one's nature of life.

    The conscience will tell a person that they are not right, by following others commands about how to live. The conscience knows 'god' isn't real and it knows it's not right.

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    adauphinposted 9 years ago

    If anyone could prove the existence of God,then God has not existed.The majesty that this notion of God conveys proves to be too much for our finite mind to grasp. We can't even grasp His Science and our science can not capture Him and even duplicate the Deeds we attribute to Him. One is being the Designer of our unreachable and vast Universe that our science is unable to explain and map and contain and even explore because our lifespan is too short... Which one of our sciences can duplicate the making of a man with all his intricates from dust?
    God asks us to just start by believing He exists in order to prove His existence. Spiritually. I think that is what is called faith. And once He accepts you and you act as He tells you to then you will want to meet Him because God does not make sense to anybody. You will never be able to grasp His wisdom and power. God wants you at a local level to love your enenmy and cater to your enemy and pray for your enemy! Does that make any sense? That enemy can be anything you can think of like someone who robs you of your spouse or child or one that is dear to you...
    Why would I ever want to love my enemy? He dares to tell me I am not better than my enemy! And if I think I am better than my enemy that I am a liar and that He seeks the humble to translate His care to the others. Or I can be content with myself and forfeit the chance to ever get to meet Him and therefore have the fate of a tree or an animal or any creature that is deemed to be erased from the universe forever.

    1. TimTurner profile image68
      TimTurnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I mean it's cool if you want to talk to and believe in something you'll never see, touch or feel.  But there is much greater things in life for me than chasing ghosts and mythical beings.

      "Ennemy" is spelled "enemy" btw.

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        adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Hey, Mr Webster, "enemy" ifs french for "ennemi"].

        Then you don't believe in love.

        If you say you believe in love because you can feel love, people can feel God too. But not anyone can feel God specially if you shut yourself up. A God that you can see and touch at this time can never or would never be a God. This kind of God would have ceased to exist if you could ever handle it.

        Perhaps, your idea of God is different from the God I am talking about. I am not talking about an idol-like god like an image of Buddha or virgin Mary or an animal or a sculpture made by one of us. Those things are ghosts and mythical beings.

        1. TimTurner profile image68
          TimTurnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Either way, you spelled enemy wrong lol  And this is an English speaking forum.

          I don't have an idea of a "god." I don't believe in anything of the sort.

          It seems you are "feeling" your "god" as mother earth.  You are feeling the powers of the Universe, not some magical being in the sky.

          The spiritual powers of the Universe are far greater than any "spirit" or "god" structure that humans create.

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            adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            You meant to say an English Grammar forum because the spoken English is different from the written English. Ain't that right?
            And while you don't want to chase ghosts and mythical beings you're talking about "The spiritual powers of the Universe are far greater than any "spirit" or "god" structure that humans create". What's up with that? I am not quite following your thought process! It seems a little bit contradictory to me.

  16. aware profile image67
    awareposted 9 years ago

    proof is in the pudding

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      lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      exactly, you can't  big_smile

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      adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Can you post me some then? i am kind of hungry!

  17. aware profile image67
    awareposted 9 years ago

    if proof had a flavor . using 4 words,  describe it

  18. aware profile image67
    awareposted 9 years ago

    dry bitter sourlike lemons

  19. aware profile image67
    awareposted 9 years ago

    i think proof would taste like sht

  20. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    you can't

  21. drej2522 profile image80
    drej2522posted 9 years ago

    wait...wait...what's Spaghetti?

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      adauphinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It is a rare pearl from the Italian Milky Way.

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    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    You're such a joy, Cagsil big_smile

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I know. Ain't I. lol big_smile

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I'm waiting for the Snartstorm....big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Wait....it's coming soon. lol

          1. profile image0
            Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I'm grabbing some popcorn, want any?

  23. drej2522 profile image80
    drej2522posted 9 years ago

    I'll get the goobers!

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Drej,

      You have fan mail. I just fanned you. big_smile

  24. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    The suspense is killing me....

  25. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 9 years ago

    Hey you guys, don't forget to get drinks. lol

  26. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Keg of Pumpkinhead Ale. Check.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Good Job. big_smile

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I love the stuff. Yummy.

  27. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    and the straws

  28. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 9 years ago

    Now that everyone is ready, no one wants to come out and play?

    lol lol

  29. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Hey Cagsil, start something new.... big_smile

  30. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 9 years ago

    And, btw- the thread itself is a joke.

    Proof already exists that god doesn't exist. But, it's the people who refuse to see it.

    Either way, now isn't a good time to talk about it, because like I said, I've already given my comment.

    But, thanks for playing. I'm outta here. Enjoy.

  31. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Shane....come back...come back....Shane!

  32. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Oh, these kids.......

  33. shazwellyn profile image70
    shazwellynposted 9 years ago

    Nope.... I dont think anyone can possibly prove that god doesnt exist.  Good investigation and well thought out. x

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I can prove he doesn't exist. But, no one wants to believe me.

      lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

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        Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        God's not happy with that response, Atheist  big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Yo- PUNK! Yeah, YOU!

          I'm not an atheist. Calling me an atheist is a direct insult.

          I have NO religious belief or religion affiliation. Got it. big_smile

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            Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Do your best. I have the God on my side. big_smile

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              So, in essence, what you're telling me is that what you are really saying is that you are alone.

              Hmm....interesting. But, not surprising. big_smile

            2. shazwellyn profile image70
              shazwellynposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              wow.. he called you a punk.... kewl!  It must be something to do with the wool dye. hehehe x

              1. profile image0
                Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Your Brit humor is so different from what I hear all the time. Thanks a bunch, Shaz. No offense intended at all. smile

                1. shazwellyn profile image70
                  shazwellynposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I am imagining a sheep with dyed wool, spiking up dancing to 'rock the casbah' by the Clash.  Wow... how cool is that!? x

                  1. profile image0
                    Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Holy Crap! That has to be the best thing I could be doing right now! big_smile

          2. Stimp profile image71
            Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, Lord, I knew that was comin'.....

            1. profile image0
              Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

              lol

        2. shazwellyn profile image70
          shazwellynposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I dont want to be in the middle of bolts of lightening... happy hippy shaz just believes in looooooooooove!  Whether God is behind this, I will await my death to find out.  *singing madonnas ... life is a mystery... everyone must stand along... I hear your voice and it feels like........ home!*   Prayer by Madonna. x

          1. profile image0
            Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I try to draw out the faithful or, um, otherwise with these little comments. Someone's gotta bite big_smile

          2. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            lol big_smile

      2. shazwellyn profile image70
        shazwellynposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        aww cagsil... I would love to read another one of your hubs about it .. why waste it in the forum? x

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I already posted my answer to this thread. But, no one wants to believe it. So, I leave to them to figure out.

          As for the Hub- I have a 3-part arrangement coming out, each will be linked to the other, because there was too much information to put inside ONE Hub.

  34. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    They try, however.....big_smile

  35. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Sigh.

    1. Stimp profile image71
      Stimpposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Time to move along and raise CAINE somewhere else.

  36. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Politics?

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol

  37. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Lightening has to strike somewhere?

  38. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    whyare you asking us to, doubts within?

  39. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    It's like asking if you still beat your wife?

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What does that got to do with anything? Explain, for us ignorant people. big_smile

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        You don't know Multivac? Huh? You...don't...know? big_smile

        1. profile image0
          lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          meany iam the typo queen and dont forget it or i'll skin you alive

          1. profile image0
            Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            big_smile

        2. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          No to answer your question. I don't know. big_smile

          I don't claim to know everything.

    2. profile image0
      lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      oh, I get it know,thanks lol

  40. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    how can I prove God doesn't exist when not one person on this planet can prove that he did     this thread sucks but I'm game to go at it again if you want to.  Still awake, it is after all late, maybe fell asleep reading lol

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol

  41. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    I believe if we envision ourselves with long tails......

  42. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    is capitol hill the capitol of the united states?  I always wanted to know

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, the Capitol Building is in Washington D.C. which is the capital of the United States.

      1. profile image0
        lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        then why do they call it capitol hill?

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Because, the Capitol Building is there, as well as, Congressional House and The President Office- The White House.

          These things I think are within a 5 mile range of one another.

          I'm not exactly sure. big_smile

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            Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe it's up a hill? big_smile

            1. profile image0
              lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              oh, i get it now, it's on a hill. cool

              1. Cagsil profile image77
                Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                lol

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                  Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  actually, I think it is.

                  1. profile image0
                    lyricsingrayposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    well thats what you said, but why is it called capitol if it isnt the capitol?

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    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    304! and 75 posts to go yeh for me

  44. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    yay!

  45. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    hey! think i can make 4000 - im bringing back addicts post

  46. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    You don't know everything? Oh, this undoes a great portion of my sparring material...... big_smile

  47. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    Her nails, Cags, her nails....

    1. shazwellyn profile image70
      shazwellynposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      very importand detail, didn't you know?  Of course not... you have hoofs dont you.  Waste of time doing your nails babes! x

  48. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    guys can we prove that god spelled backwards is dog?

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes we can. lol

  49. profile image0
    Denno66posted 9 years ago

    That is reasonable.

  50. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 9 years ago

    59 more post, liked it when it was 69

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      lol

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        giggity

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