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Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago
Everything exists because something or someone else existed before it. I exist because my mother existed. Without her I would never have been born. A tree lives because there was a tree before it.

Even things that divide could not exist without the life it divided from.

Pigs, cows, humans did not just crawl out of water and grow by without something before it.

A creating force, that which we call Absolute, God, Natural forces
must be a life in order to create one.

We sustain life:
The plants give off oxygen which we breathe, we then give off carbon dioxide and the plants take it in and produce more oxygen.
All things run in cycles and are in perfect order.

GOD LIVES!!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, who created God? He would need a creator as well.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is the natural science, plus he is a spirit
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And how do you know that?
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you did not answer the question. In this theory you hold to, if everything comes from something or has a cause then God too, would have to have an origin or creator if you will, and that origin another creator and so on. I am well read on the Laws of causality, and the law of cause and effect both in Newton's view and in relating to Quantum Mechanics, and physics. All reiterate the relationship between an event and its cause or origin, and in turn the relationship of cause to its own cause.
  
  In science and in religion there is a consensus that this Law works well as it is universal and unbiased in its effect and application up to a point then we simply do not know. For instance the Big bang that is so talked about is the most accepted origin of this current Universe and existence, not of existence itself. mathematical equations point to the existence of something before the big bang which from a physics point of view would make since and follow this law. Yet people bend this theory and express it to say something it never did, just as evolution is used to express something it never did. Evolution as Darwin himself stated does not believe men came from Apes, yet popular creationist will tell you this is exactly what it advocates. In Biology We have learned something quite different. In Physics, Chemistry, and geology we learn that under pressure heat and violence that three elements, specifically carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen will combine to form Amino Acids, the basic building block of life. We learn all kinds of thing that do not line up with a literal interpretation of the Bible. What does this mean for the Bible then? Nothing because it is a book of moral fables, examples, rules, and suggestions handed down and written by an ancient people to unite them in a common and shared ideology and belief and to guide them in centuries to come. Most of the things we read in the Bible are just good common sense, that someone was bright enough to observe it and write it down is no big mystery.
  
  The day the Bible become the substance of your faith as a believer, and the backbone of it then you have become an idolater and lost. Take away the Bible and belief remains, as should faith, all this insistence on a book is sad and only denying many from experiencing a life, a life that is a gift. This constant need and obsession with labeling enemies and passing on condemnation is only going to find you in a life filled with hate and anger.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Turtles, damnit! I told you people before!!!!
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did...
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  itcollposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would like an answer to this question,too.
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I bet He'd like to know, too!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is a plausible idea that when the universe began (Big Bang, I guess, though I am no cosmologist -- I assume that is still the best explanation), this was when *time* came into being. So, at a certain point (the "beginning") there is no "before."
  
  Of course a Christian probably wouldn't like this idea, as I am suggesting God came into being at the same time as the first instant of "Creation", rather than him actually *doing* the creating.....
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seek God and God will tell you.
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  DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do people keep posting this s**t? I'm not getting involved more than this this time.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then what are you doing here?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is here because this is a public forum and also because it has been posted numerous times in different ways.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  way too many times.
  
  in fact, more times than even their god can count.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a ponytail?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you guys hate this type of forum but you keep coming back. It doesn't make sense. Do you go to places in your town that you hate?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hate's a fairly strong word, even for you christians to use.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not a Christian. I've already said I am a Kabbalist
  Just because someone believes in God doesn't make them a Christian. Did you find this under the Christian category?
  Fact is you guys love these forums because you love to argue. Your lives are empty and boring.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  gee, sorry i didn't get back to you sooner. i was catching up on the latest tiger woods news. did you know he also had sex with a porn star? evidently one of her movies was titled "diary of a horny housewife".
  
  lucky guy.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ponytail?
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  Dao Hoaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Fact is you guys love these forums because you love to argue. Your lives are empty and boring."
  
  That is not attacking. It is just a defense mechanism when being cornered.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My life is far from boring. Truth is I just came here not long ago. I had no ideal there were mad dogs here. Stop grouping me because you have no idea who I am. Please. M.Y.O.B. Thanks
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You post on a public forum, on a public site then tell other people to Mind their own business that is either funny or tragically sad. Do you not understand how these forums work?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm on many forums with no such problems. So this is your idea of a public forum? If we were all in person none of this harsh stuff would be said. This forum is full of people with deep aggression letting it out on people they don't know because they feel they can't let it out in their own surroundings. The other forums are nothing like this.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you even read the things you post? Everything you just said applies to yourself so quit your whining and crying and go to another topic thread if you are uncomfortable or unequipped to handle argument and debate, then don't stir up a hornets nest then play the victim. You're an adult so take responsibility for your words And unlike you I have no problem speaking my mind in public or anywhere I certainly wouldn't hide behind a fake name or religion.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have reason for not using my real name. I used to have my own CMS website with 43000 members. It was called The Light Barrier.org until a hacker got into it and emailed people all over the internet using my system email advertising his business. It got me on a spam black list. I took it down because of this.
  I had a forum and on that forum a black person said something. People attacked her. When I took up for her and ask them to leave.
  They started emailing with with photos of black men and white women having sex. Then they threatened my life for "Liking black people" They then used my ID and email address to sign me up on the internet for all kinds of things. They told me they were KKK and watching me. Told me they knew where I lived and to watch over my shoulder. I started using this name and a non existing address for Whois. I need my safety. I'm not a man. You never know why someone does what they do. Usually it is for a good reason.
  And I started fighting back here after many many attacks. I have a right to defend myself. When defending myself didn't help I started giving back what I got. So stop judging me.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again I ask....Do you hear yourself? Do you have any idea how crazy you are coming off as? How paranoid and delusional? You're not fighting back, you're having an argument with yourself and its really starting to become frightening.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are also tiring and boring to me. You are coming across as a person without feelings or understanding of what someone says. Last post to you. You even look kind of mean. Not mean like someone is afraid of you just someone who has aggression inside. An angry person. Sorry about that but it's not my fault.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you promise? I would be so happy if you'd actually stop replying and go away that would make my aggressive non-understanding heart leap for joy, and then I wouldn't have to listen to you stoop to criticizing someone's looks and crying about people picking on you. Or would you like to continue on what you look like?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What existed before him
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What school did you get your science degree from?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I got my (undergraduate) Bachelors and my MSe from a university in Florida. However I won't reveal my location.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not secular enough?
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to burst you're bubble here Deborah, but I beg to differ.
  
  The Universe came to be. The Earth then came to be. Then environmental changes occurred, hence created Human life.
  
  Nothing created Human life, before there was human life. That's what makes US-the Human Race- UNIQUE!
  
  I can see how you arrived at your conclusions, however, it is unfortunate that you have based your conclusions on an untruth.
  
  How I know this untruth, because I've lived through it, practiced it and studied it, in and out, and when all said and done- It's a lie or hoax. However, you choose to look it.
  
  The doctrinations of religions is exclusively meant to enforce a set of unachieveable goals, so that those who follow, will willingly give up their own free will and fight against their own true nature. All because, a higher cause, such as a mystical supposed God.
  
  I've been down that road and I can honestly say, in GOOD conscience, there is no god. There is NO higher power looking out for humans. And, it's really sad to learn of the understanding that Jesus' teachings were specifically driven to get people to be their own GOD in their own life and NOT follow religion's false God. And, That's the truth.
  
  It's sad. Thank you for your time.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Meaning of Life is to be found in The Life of Brian
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Be and do and believe whatever you want. Please allow me to do the same.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh what a nice sermon. Thanks.
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  alexandriaruthkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  in our heart only, but we are not sure, dont talk about absolute LADY, I believe that GOD exist because I have faith but i dont have tangible proof
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Absolute is a term meaning not subject to any limitation and unconditional LADY. I will express myself too LADY
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And so will everyone else and you'll cry foul when they do, how ironic is that?
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  alexandriaruthkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I respect you, and I long believe that there is no use convincing a person, we all have our own take, good nite LADY
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you worship a noun?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What and who I worship is no concern of anyone. Anything to harass huh?? Bored? empty?
  I understand. Go worship who you want.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm confused. If it is so private why have you been broadcasting it all evening? All I am saying is that, because there exists a word "abolute" with the definition "without limitation" is not proof that there is an Absolute - there *might* be, and there might not (seriously - I am not disputing the possibility); I was just defending the accurate statement of the other poster, that it is a matter of faith, ie unprovable
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because I wrote something to share and if you read from the beginning it has been a challenge of what i believe all the way.
  All of you fight back but expect me to mew like a kitten. Why is that?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No you should fight back. Seems fine to me (not being sarcastic, btw)
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  Dao Hoaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah! Being cornered again!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never cornered and you?
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Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago
Well if you take life down to an atomic level you will discover that the same atoms that compose our being were once part of a dying star! That means the very definition of life as we know it is inclusive of objects that may never before considered to be "life".
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awareposted 14 years ago
watch the show how the earth was made. or the universe .
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awareposted 14 years ago
and as far as god goes .its not involved nor is it a he
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awareposted 14 years ago
so if god is a he how big is his penis?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Trees are male and female (ask a nursery) but they don't have one.
  Why are you being disgusting?
  When will you become an adult?
  Why are you using blasphemy?
  Should I flag this?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for saying part of my body is disgusting
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awareposted 14 years ago
deb my idea of god is big . vast in fact its not limited or caged by gender. you are the one claiming god has genitalia. im the one pointing out that thats a silly concept
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. I'm a Kabbalist. God is male and female. However I will call God he when it is appropriate.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  If you're a kabbalist as you claim to be, you should know God doesn't have any gender. He's beyond that in Kabbalah.
  He's beyond Ain, Ain Sof, Ain sof Aur.
  It's never appropiate to say God's 'He'
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  One of the main things Kabbalists teach is that God is male and female.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong! that's the emanation of God in Chokmah and Binah
  that's not God
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Chokmah is fire and Binah is water
  and they are complimentary opposites. But God is Unity. He has both male and female. He created us in his image..Male and female.
  I am speaking of God not the duality of creation.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Please !!
  Chokmah is fire and Binah is water ???
  you sound just like Madonna
  don't be so simple !
  Go and read your Kabbalah books properly and then come with a proper answer.!!!!!!!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are so wrong, it's funny. You have no idea what you are saying. IHVH is the four elements
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go and join Madonna !
  
  IHVH
  is far more than 4 elements !!
  and you're a Kabbalist ?
  that's New Age babble !fashion Kabbalah
  
  and as I said before, Kabbalist lessons are not to be debate in a forum.
  What you can debate in a forum is all this childish things you're saying
  THAT'S NOT KABBALAH
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is the most sacred text of the Kabbalah
  All of these (there are hundreds) agree with me.
  You can't read a little about the Kabbalah and think you know it I have been studying and practicing it for years
  http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm
  
  http://www.donaldtyson.com/tetragra.html
  
  http://www.mazzaroth.com/Introduction/TheNamesOfGod.htm
  
  http://www.servantsofthelight.org/QBL/B … ction.html
  
  http://www.cix.co.uk/~craftings/kabbalah.htm
  
  http://www.spiritandflesh.com/Judaism_K … uction.htm
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again!!
  
  Some of those links are not reliable.
  the one's that are, as the Zohar ,you have read very lightly ,it seems.
  If you have read all that, which I think not, you would know that there's a lot of teaching behind some 'obvious' statements.
  i think you didn't notice this .That's very strange being a Kabbalist as you say
  and if you are ,you must be very old.
  I'm not a kabbalist after more than 11 years studying.
  I couldn't be ,even studying 11 years more !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do study the Zohar. It agrees with what I have told you.
  Age has nothing to do with it. I started studying the Kabbalah in the 1990s. Some people absorb and learn faster then others. That's not my fault
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  Dao Hoaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry! No self-promoting! Therefore, I am not going to read them.
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  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, that's quite a reaction from someone who believes in nothing!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i studied Kabbalah for more than 11 years. that doesn't mean I have to believe what I studied.
  For me it's a philosophical way of living.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not only did I study, I live it and practice it. It's not just a philosophy.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah tantrum you left yourself naked and open for attack, just like you have been on the attack for as long as you have been coming to these forums. Thanks, you know what they say about paybacks.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Naked and open for attack?? where ?
  I'm naked alright but not for attack. Just for fun !
  
  and about paybacks, you should know more than me ,for what I have been reading in the forums !
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
The belief in evolution and the belief in God is not mutually exclusive.

The OP basically makes no sense linguistically.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In fact the belief that the belief in evolution and the belief in God are mutually exclusive is simply not accurate. For a start, Darwin never suggested this, and he should know! But there are countless thousands (millions) of people who believe in both, some extremely educated, some not...
  
  The bottom line is this: God could have used evolution to perform creation. (I am not sure I believe this, but I mean, of course he/she/it could have, right?)
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You must be reading the wrong scripture. The Hebrew scripture shows differently. Evolution and Creationism walk hand in hand. We were created then evolved.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. No scripture. I'm a pantheist, .
  
  I mean there basically is no main idea or thesis kinda thing in that post.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry I wasn't writing a thesis I was simply making a true statement.
  People in the flesh and the 3 dimensional world we live in causes us to have to come from someone or something else.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  By definition I am also a Pantheist. Why do you think your God is bigger then mine or that I have made God small?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You must want to argue, is what I think...due to the nature of the post. And the world "creationism," (hence my previous statement), is anathema to most moderates.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one was arguing. You said you don't use scripture because you are a Pantheist which means a doctrine that identifies God with the universe. So that means because I study ancient scripture (Not the English Bible) that I don't identify God with the universe.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? I believe 'the looking for a fight' just may be inherent in that para. (?)
  
  Just...like I said before. You are not real clear in the OP or in responses to me, but I gather by the defensive tone/phrases that you are looking to fight.
  
  I believe all have the right to believe as they wish, as long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your hair looks great in color! Have you ever done big hair?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have big hair, sneak0...about 2 ft. long (will never cut it). Source of my strength, like Samson,
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm jealous, I've been scalped!
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awareposted 14 years ago
so god is a hermaphrodite now? keep digging that hole
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awareposted 14 years ago
god has the worst p r guys. it needs to find better representation
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
This is a forum, a place for debate. Do you just want to make statements and have everyone agree with you?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Being a forum does not mean it is for debate. How do you come up with that logic?
  
  forum |ˈfôrəm|
  noun ( pl. forums )
  1 a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exchanged being a two way street not a pulpit to spout your beliefs from. Those are called Hubs. If you want to proclaim your views free from criticism then go back and write a few more.
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AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years ago
If God exists and "wants a relationship with us" then, given that we are all pretty damn different, it makes most sense that "he" would provide lots of different ways to get to "him." I mean, at least this has some kind of consistency to it as an idea -- rather than the "believe my sh*t or else..." line.

So, the winner... is: The Bahai's
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awareposted 14 years ago
this is what i think. god is under attack . religions are making a fool out of the great idea of god. they have made god small petty and hateful . continually pigeon hole it with archaic dogma and out dated scripture . my intent is to free god from the cage religions have placed it in
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tantrumposted 14 years ago

you don't give up ! do you ??!!

So you 'absorb' Kabbalah faster than me.
of course you do !
By the way you post, I can tell, you don't 'Absorb' all of it.
You 'absorb' almost nothing !
You miss a lot !

explain me what Macronit is then. what it represents.
but not in half an hour after Googling it
answer me know !
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Tantrum
  
  Having fun yet?
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you meant to write "now".
  
  Macronit has something to do with that spaghetti monster of Mark's, doesn't it Madonna?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  thanks for pointing that out ! It's late ,I'm tired and I make mistakes. a lot
  and
  like your sense of humour
  Macronit is Spaghetti monster's mom
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah the Macaroni Monster.
  
  Hey don't stop now, this is just starting to get good, a three way cat fight, Deborah, tantrum and Lita. The Madonna cabal. Or is that a four way cat fight Cagsil?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't count me in this "fight" MM--at all. I was just pointing out some things that should be obvious. Clarity in writing, belief, and ideas is important when you try and express yourself.
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am very clear in what I write. It is simple to see and understand.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I can't say so, no. I initially read you were a kind of mixed bag fundamentalist evangelical. Apparently, that isn't the case.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  24 minutes and no answer ?
  I'm sure you had enough time to Google and understand what it is ?
  
  ?????I'm not debating with you any more. It's too boring !
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Don't I always have fun ?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just checking.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Thank you !
  you're too kind !
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
TIME'S UP !!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
what a joke! everything in this thread !!!

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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Which it seems is, what Kabbalah have taught her
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well whatever helps you feel good about life I guess. Just don't try and twist a bunch of phrases around and meanings to justify what amounts to little more then bigotry, discrimination and camouflaged hatred of those who feel differently. If you don't like me just say it, but don't hide behind God or anyone's holy scripture, be an adult take ownership of your pettiness and accountability for your words.
  
  Funny how little the God said it was okay defense holds up in a court of law and facts. Then again religion will just counter with something about persecution and agents of this Satan controlled world and on and on.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  when you say 'you' on your post, are you talking to me ???
  
  I don't believe in anything. Just in case you don't know.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I mean "You" as in general when people start these threads to promote their belief. I know what your beliefs or lack there of are. I have noticed a surge recently of so called followers of "faith" trying to quote poorly twisted scientific data to somehow prove their faith, and legitimize their own beliefs, and its just puzzling to me. If this is a belief based on faith why the need to prove it using science?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I posted this on a religious forum, where it belongs. I'm not trying to promote my beliefs. I don't care what you believe. Take it or leave it.
  However I have freedom of speech as long as I am not abusive or unkind.
  What I posted is true. it also does not have anything to do with the nature of God. God is above it all. Don't make yourself equal.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You tell me what not to do then talk about freedom of speech? Get a clue sister and take a walk. What you post is true to you not the world and if you don't like it I suggest you take it or leave it. If you're not promoting your belief then what's all the typing and posting for, I hate to say it but Mark is right you are way out there...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I post to give. When I see something I want to freely give.
  That's all just in case someone wants it., I want to give and my intentions are all good.
  You get offended because I say I don't care if you believe it.
  How is that taking away your freedom of speech? Not once did I say your opinions stink the way you have about my opinions.
  
  When you say take a walk, are you saying to leave the forum?
  You came in here. If you disagree that's your choice.
  If I offer someone money and they don't want it, they reject wealth not me. Your ego is surely acting up to get so offended all
  just because I said I don't care.
  Other people mirror us so we can see who we are.
  I am tired of the mark thing too.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're not a mirror of me, the fact that you would think that, shows just how lost you are. Telling people what they should think isn't giving its forcing, and selfish. What makes you think that people want your gift at all yet you assume they do, and then talk to me about ego. I get offended because you presume to tell me what the truth is and what I should believe. Your ego is colossal and out of control lady.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is odd. I have noticed the same thing lately. In fact - I asked a question recently:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/28272
  
  What is wrong with believing in something by Faith? Copyright Mark Knowles
  
  Because I was (and am) genuinely puzzled. And - no one really answered the question. What I got was 11 pages of people trying to persuade me that they had "proof" or "evidence" and their "faith" was the same as my "faith" in my car brakes working when I had just had them serviced.
  
  I honestly feel that this is where a lot of the ill feeling towards religion is coming from at the moment.
  
  Take this religionist here as an example. It (don't think it is actually female) has twisted the meaning of evolution, used semantics to try and prove an unprovable point and created nothing but ill will and arguments.
  
  Why? because if its/her "interpretation" of science is right - that means my education was wasted and all the knowledge I have garnered is a lie.
  
  She is telling everyone here they are idiots. No wonder there is ill will.
  
  All to shout it's point that GOD LIVES!, which is meaningless.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I LOVE this line.
  He finally admits there COULD be a possibility he is....dare I say it....WRONG.
  Heaven forbid. You are human.
  
  But of course, you are right, no?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How did you deduce this from Mark's comment?
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With my warped and twisted little mind>
  You guys crack me up.
  I think someone called it "irony"?
  But of course, a "religionist" like me couldn't possibly have a sense of humor!! Could one?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  aka, I must admit that is pretty accurate!
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  Will Apseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We live in an age where faith is derided and where so many 'authorities' insist that science is the only path to truth. It's not the religious who are persecuting unbelievers these days its the unbelievers who are persecuting those with faith in their religions. The rationalists have set the agenda hence the craving for proof and certainty.
  
  Sadly you are part of that, Mark.
  
  If you were to take issue with those Christians who want to ban the teaching of Darwin in biology classes, you would get my full support. If you had points to argue in favour of abortion, sex education for teenagers or any other locus for fundamentalist Christian activity, I'm sure you would get a decent hearing.
  
  When you round on all Christians and suggest there is something dangerous, unhealthy or crazy about them you leave me far behind.
  
  Attacking Christians as a group is no better than attacking any other group (race, religion, ethnic group) simply for being who they are.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But I do take issue with those who wish to ban the teaching of Darwin and other evolutionary theory in school classes.
  
  http://markpknowles.com/why-make-fun-of-creationists/
  http://hubpages.com/hub/creation-v-evolution
  
  I have also proposed and promoted an alternative source of ethical teaching by Paraglider which I have linked to in my hb about Christians:
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Rational-Code-Ethics
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Rational-Code-o … Discussion
  http://hubpages.com/hub/christians-on-hubpages
  
  Sadly - you prefer to take personal issue with me and choose to read only what you have already decided I am going to say, and have never bothered to read any of this.
  
  But - I look forward to your ongoing support.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are very observant Will. Well I guess it's what everyone else has been observing too though. It is very clear with Mark and his little cabal.
  
  Anyway thanks and you have my respect whether we are on different sides of an issue or not. This would have been better said in a Christian thread but we can always copy and paste it. Thanks again. Mike
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - all atheists are not communists now then?
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  GardnerOsagieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let's go evol mark!
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No they are not and I have never said that they are Mark. But you certainly act like a communist or an organizer of the League of the Militant Godless.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  So - I because I stand up for women's right - I am a communist?
  
  No doubt you would prefer it if people were not allowed to speak out aginst child abuse. I know you have complained to hubpages - yet here I am allowed to say my piece.
  
  You must be very angry. Well - obviously you are. How very christian of you.
  
  I see you blamed "lack of supervision" for jl leaving too. Despite his statement. Guess god really does give you all the answers into your head after all Make Money.
  
  No - sorry - I will continue to speak out against your anti-gay, anti womens rights and anti free speech agendas. No matter how scary you find me.
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  Will Apseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, I first took issue with you for a really humourless 'joke' (read attack) on the French. You defended yourself my saying some of your best friends were French (where have we heard that line before?)
  
  Your attacks on Christians are similar. They are a group you feel safe in attacking. The question is why do you need any group to attack?
  
  Usually, this kind of thing is do with splitting and projection (I am all goodness so they must be all badness). Sometimes it is a self worth issue. (I'm not worth much but at least I am British, German, American, White, a member of some master race or other).
  
  It's disturbing, like some horrible echo from the thirties and forties.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is because you have decided I am all bad. And do not understand that I make fun of just about everybody - including myself.
  
  Me? I am a grain of sand on the beach and will be gone soon. Worry not.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
because they are not sure of their beliefs..
simple as that.
you can never be sure of something unreal.
it's not reliable
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you run along and put on some clothes.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes according to the bible you cannot show your body. As one other religionist has said here many times, you risk rape wearing a bikini. (No doubt from some sexually bent religionist)
  God does not care if anyone is raped so I guess that scares the bejeezuz out of them!
  
  From the bible.
  
  If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
  
  Nice!
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, please, Ms. Sexton, why don't you stop your childishness?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Poor me !
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LAWD, some people...
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Better yet since you're so tired of being ridiculed for sharing then stop sharing, there's an old saying...if you don't want flies in your face then don't stir the crap. You got hounded yesterday and most of last night for this and what do you do? You come back and start it again. What do you expect to happen when you do this?
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Why are you speaking of me as though i am not here?
  I am very sure of what I believe. if someone doesn't understand what I mean, seek illumination.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Am I speaking to you ?
  Not at all
  I'm speaking to everyone.
  that's why the post is not directed to anyone in particular.
  I'm sure you know that's what it means ??
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Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago
Creation and separation are a part of Yesod in Malkuth. Not in God. Elohim has no beginning or end. Just unity. El is not a human. Elohim can not be compared to humans. We are small. Elohim is the light. When the universe was created God did not have to separate from anyone. Ain Sof is the Absolute. Keter is unity. The law of separation began only after creation. Below God.
Because we have to come from someone in our 3 dimensional world is the nature of mankind not God.
Belief has nothing to do with it. Many people believe but it doesn't mean they work to rise above their true nature. I go by the Hebrew scripture not the English Bible. Semantics does matter.
Humans are animals with egos. Everything was unity until creation then everything emanated from God. Because of creation (natural laws) everything separated from each other. A woman can not create another human until it is separated from her body. Male from female, complimentary opposites. You can't have one without the other. Up from down also complimentary opposites.
Elohim the giver humans the receiver.
Man can not receive the light of AhoVah, because they want to only receive pleasure.
Mankind is the real creation and all the other things are made for man. The animals go by natural instinct and the thing that separates us from animals is that we can receive illumination, but the ego stands in the way, pleasure and urges. In other words we want to receive but for our own pleasure not for illumination or unity with AhoVah.

I know nothing of Madonna. I don't follow her and the red string.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  'Creation and separation are a part of Yesod in Malkuth.'
  Wrong. Creation and separation are part of Hod in Malkuth
  If we are talking of material creation
  Of course not in God. that's obvious!
  
  ' When the universe was created God did not have to separate from anyone. '
  
  that statement doesn't make sense at all. If you think it does, explain.
  
  'Ain Sof is the Absolute'
  Wrong
  Ain, Ain sof and Ain sof Aur are. the three of them. They are also the Void.
  
  'Keter is unity.'
  Kether is more than that.
  
  'The law of separation began only after creation.'
  Wrong
  It begins in the emanation of Kether in Binah.
  If we are talking of divine creation
  
  'Because we have to come from someone in our 3 dimensional world is the nature of mankind not God.'
  Wrong
  Mankind is one of the creations of God.
  
  'Everything was unity until creation then everything emanated from God.'
  Wrong
  Separation began in Binah , After the comprehension of Chokmah, just before Creation .
  
  'A woman can not create another human until it is separated from her body'
  Wrong. Women don't create. God does.
  
  'Man can not receive the light of AhoVah, because they want to only receive pleasure.'
  Aho Vah is not a Kabbalistic word. It's not even hebrew.
  It's a vulgar translation to latin
  
  Maybe you mean Yod He Vauh He ?
  
  and why do you post everything intermingled?
  those are partial lessons of different parts of the Zohar, and some you got them all wrong
  where you in a hurry??
  
  This is my last post to you.
  Very elemental Kabbalah
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The gates and lights and worlds are too complex to write them here. There is a simple expression and there is the complex expression. Yes I am in a hurry. I have Progressive Relapsing Multiple Sclerosis. It is hard for me to type because I have Neuropathy with extreme Parathesis and my hands and fingers hurt.
  
  And you wrote this
  where you in a hurry??
  lol
  This is my last post to you.
  Very elemental Kabbalah
  
  Didn't you mean "WERE" not "WHERE" Were you in a hurry?
  Karma and even more...if you get my point.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I was in a hurry!
  I had to write all those wrongs of you quickly, and my answers, before you think I was Googling It.
  what I write is what I know, Not what I copy from other sites
  
  And If you're ill, does that give you a right to offend ?
  
  Poor things the Kabbalah have teach you then !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing I said was wrong. If you knew the Kabbalah you wouldn't express dislike of everyone as you do.
  I haven't copied anything.
  You say I offend.
  Where, because I have freedom to speak? because I defend myself? Everyone defends themselves. Even after you said it is the last post to me, you come back to defend yourself and to try to offend me. Why do you expect more from me? I see double standards here on the forums all the time.
  You go to every forum and say unkind things to everyone.
  
  All you guys here want to be who you are. I have a right to start a forum for those interested, You have a right not to read what I post. I don't understand your problem (everyone's) When I see a topic an atheist posts, I don't go in and tell them they are wrong. It is always the other way around.
  None of you will run me off.
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your attitude has run me screaming from anything you post, my dear. I find you to be an obnoxious, cantankerous woman just aching for a fight.
  See ya!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I see you the same way. Coming in and instantly attacking someone
  you don't even know. What you really don't like is that I don't say "YES DEAR, whatever you say" People on the other sites have a lot of respect for me and love what I write. This forum is full of different people then I am use to. People who have no respect for people's opinions.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Dao Hoaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I pity God because he has to save the sicks and the poors (Rick too)!
  
  Good night! It's pass my bed time!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK first HaVaYaH=Jehovah. The Y was translated into Greek as a J
  The EH is Ah
  
  2.
  The Elements
  Keter – has none
  
  Hochma – fire
  
  Bina – water
  
  ZA – air
  
  Malchut – earth
  
  3.
  Yesod the pure creative sexual urges turned to filthy sexual pleasure.
  
  4.
  God stopped creating and left it up to mankind, in order to survive, through childbirth. So yes women create.
  
  5.
  Hochmah through wisdsom discovered the hidden knowledge (Daat) and understood it (Bina) Polar opposites occur immediately.
  
  5.
  I should have said there is Unity in Keter and I was not implying that's all Keter is. Semantics+ see how important
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So Madonna's Kabbalah ...AGAIN !!
  
  you're only talking about the four elements, which is irrelevant for Kabbalah
  
  I'm sure you know That each Sephirot has the whole 10 Sphirot inside and each of them the 10 Sephirot again and on and on and on ad infinitum
  that's all I'm going to say
  you're so childish I can't believe you're a true Kabbalist
  Maybe My Madonna's standards you are !!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Code
  H.T.F.Y.Y.S.A.U.B.E.S.A.D.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Same old stuff. Boring...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is utter nonsense and merely serves to demonstrate that you have absolutely no understanding of the beliefs you shout out as true. Regurgitated garbage - as usual from some one with minimal understanding and insight.
  
  GOD DOES NOT LIVE!!!
  
  Plus - you are a thief and incapable of apologizing - or backing up your attack on me. Charlatan. I do now see you have credited a link to the work you stole.
  
  What a shame - now you have probably pushed a large group of people away from what I find to be an interesting if difficult to decipher religion.
  
  I would stick to the Tarot if I were you, although I very much doubt your readings would be of any value as your ego is so large. No doubt you would tell a client all about you.
  
  Your "interpretations" are contradictory and based solely on your own personal opinions. Any way - you were telling us we had stopped evolving - now it seems you do not understand how we evolved.
  
  Please explain the theory of evolution and then you can explain why the theory must be rejected if there was a developmental destination.
  
  Tribal thinking that will be the downfall of humanity.
  
  "all the other things are made for man" Copyright Deborah Sexton.
  
  Nonsense.
  
  I see you are making lots of friends and influencing people though.
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blue dogposted 14 years ago
see what happens, everyone. you force one guy out of hubpages because of religion and look what you get.

it is most definitely a disease.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@ deborah :

Karma is hindu.
nothing to do with Kabbalah :lol
as I said
Madonnas' fashion thingy

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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@ deborah
I am unkind to everyone ??
why don't you read this ???

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/29317

That's why everybody posts in my thread !

25 pages of praise and fun !

.
You should think before writing
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and you don't offend ? Saying I'm unkind to everybody ???
  Pleasseee !!!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look at what you have said to me since I came in here (hubpages, forums) .
  Never a welcome here, always a "you don't know what you are talking about"
  And yes Karma, Kabbalah didn't want to teach the Kabbalah because they knew anyone who used it could be hurt by it. Same Ideal as Karma, use it for evil, reap evil. Cause and effect, reap what you sow..all the same concept. Gagging at a gnat and swallowing at a camel?
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  Dao Hoaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Cause and effect, reap what you sow..all the same concept. Gagging at a gnat and swallowing at a camel?"
  
  No, she is not a cat because if she is cornered, she will....
  
  Good night! Again.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Don't you mean no respect for you? You try to force feed your religion with threats from your fairy!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Assuming you know what's going on?. If religion offends you and you have a choice to read something or not and you choose to read it, how is it I am pushing anything on anyone? Not logical. I know you don't agree with me, but why always so unkind to me?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can look through all my posts. I am not unkind to anyone unless they start talking "The truth" or "The word" or that non believers are off to be damned because they do not believe.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, that's your self-righteous excuse. Do you also hate other races?
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Because you don't know what you're talking about!
why cheapen Kabbalah in this way ?
Kaballah is not for the forums
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, you don't know what you are talking about.
  I've never cheapened anything. If I said the deep things of the Kabbalah no one would understand.
  The Kabbalah is for everyone. Freely I receive and freely I give.
  I thought you were done with me.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The deep things of the Kabbalah is what counts.
  Teaching Basic New Age things based in Kabbalah ,won't do good to anybody.
  the shallow has to turn into deep. If not is useless.
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Rhianni32posted 14 years ago
Just once I would like to read a religious thread from a comfortably secure religious person.
something like

"I'm happy in my beliefs in my religion. If you dont agree that is perfectly fine because we can each choose our own path and my sense of religion isnt dependent upon how many people agree with it."

Man that would be great. I love those types of people and threads. *sigh*. Somehow I dont think i will get it from hubpages.
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  lorlie6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did not intend to return, but a voice of reason has appeared. Rhianni32, thanks for this post.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It started out milder, however after about 90 posts of darts and arrows, it is time to fight back. I had to enter Geburah.
  I know this isn't the place for me, although there could be a great work here.
  I've never seen a place like this. Because it could be a great place, that's exactly why the attacks come. Darkness trying to stop light.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No. It is because umpteen evangelicals have come before you -- and their message is normally that non-believers are going to hell, are sinners, are debauched, and so on, often for believing such things as the geological record of the earth's true age, and other "horrors" -- you probably weren't to know, but any whiff of dogmatism can't help but remind of that...
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  For your knowledge, you never entered Geburah
  In Geburah there's no bitterness . No small talk.
  In Geburah there's Divine Justice.
  someone that can enter Geburah, wouldn't be wasting time in a forum
  You're still cheapening Kabbalah.
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  Rhianni32posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It looks to me like it started out as you baiting the trap which worked and it was sprung as intended.
  Saying that after 90 posts its time to fight back is a little misleadig that you werent fighting back from the start.
  
  Please. This is an internet debate. You cant make someone else look bad or prove someone's beliefs are wrong. You can only make yourself look good or bad and show everyone your own character.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have different beliefs from you and your belief is right over mine because it is your belief. However, you along with everyone else is insane. So everyone has an insane belief. Nice St. Bernard in the picture! Have a sane day. lol
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@ Deborah
Why don't you admit you want to teach the same Kabbalah Madonna learned. And lets finish this stupid debate.
you just said that deep Kabbalah no one will understand. That's true. So why go on ??
I don't understand you !
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fun2hubposted 14 years ago
Uh Oh, what a drama!
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I sit on the sidelines sometimes and just shake my head.
  Better than any TV show.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your the show!
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
No Mark I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how you come across in these forums, similar to what Will said. Sometimes you go far beyond free speech and your take on abortion and homosexuality.

Mark did you see that tantrum was dishing your Spaghetti Monster. She said there is a higher power in noodleology, the Macaroni Monster.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is ok - The Flying Spaghetti Monster can take all the abuse you offer. She is omnipotent.
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XTASISposted 14 years ago
There are a lot of codes in Kabbalah. I Don't acknowledge yours.

Anyway, you know ,I'm sure ,that codes are rather personal,so I assume that's not a code at all. If not you're making a very bad mistake.
As codes in the Kabbalah refer to different parts and different learnings, could you please tell me where that code belongs ?
If that code has to do with your personal researches ,of course I will never know what you're talking about.

And anyway ,codes in the Kabbalah are written in Hebrew.
So again, I'm assuming you're translating it ? So how can I guess what you're talking about ?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ??? This is for someone else.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
And the point here is what?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't addressing that to you.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Forum! Not private conversation controlled by you. Tuck your ego in, it is hanging out again!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't mean I have to answer. I'd rather be me then anyone. I love my life and who I am. Do you like you?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you like yourself that much, why hide behind a fake avatar?
  Show yourself !
  I know someone that knows you and showed me a pic of you.
  Not bad! considering ...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is me. Are you speaking of the blonde picture?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not an avatar.
  You said you are 75 so that is certainly not your real picture. I've got many of my pictures. Tell me how to post them here and I will.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  can't stop laughing !!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know anyone that I know. You may know someone on the internet who has been on the same site with me. so don't fib.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
God again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bye y'all have a great day now !!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he asked me who created God so it was a God question. I couldn't answer him with a real estate reply. Go to sleep now.
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Presigoposted 14 years ago
I agree there is much bickering on here, most people do not express themselves freely unless they are behind a computer, we need to have some coutesy for each other, then maybe we could learn from each other.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
OMG I LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whew!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go put on some clothes. Do you think that looks good?
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  looks Amazing !!!
  What a Woman !!
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h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago
Deb,

I hope you know I am asking this in the kindest way...

What are you trying to accomplish with all the recent posts?

Holly
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
(((((( ugh !!))))))))
Shuddering
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Here you are again. Being snide.
  You're the one shuddering because you aren't wearing any clothes.
  I never said I was frightened of anyone. I am however smart.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're so smart that you always reply to my posts !
  thank you !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've never said I wouldn't. You on the other hand have said you would not reply to me again. If I'm not mistaken, you've promised it twice. Please keep your promise.
  Otherwise it appears your dual minds are in constant conflict.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have double personalities, yeah !
  Not a problem at all. They keep me company
  
  and I never promised anything. I only said I wasn't going to reply anymore.
  but as I'm always changing my mind, I decided it's fun to talk to you.
  
  I have a really good time talking to you, so I think we'll be seeing each other a lot
  CU !
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