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SirDentposted 14 years ago
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
....I found it, one of them! Some of my HubPages notices have been going into my Spam folder....
Watch for a reply, Woman.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
WOC, I tried twice a while ago. Did you get either of them?
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 8:9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
Wow.
We have made contact.
Houston, the plane has landed safely. I repeat, the plane has landed. Errr...make that Reagan International. (The air traffic controller was asleep in the tower...ROFL. Actually, looks like my Spam folder and regular e-mail box needs to be cleaned...)
LOL
Finally, Woman of Courage; nice to be able to talk with you lady.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes the plane has landed. Odd thing is, I recieved several emails from others through hubpages which didn't get sent to the spam folder. It's so nice to finally contact each other. How was your day?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I had an okay day; am taking a bit of a cold. Thanks for asking. Hope you're doing well too?!
  I've gotta go to bed; very sleepy. I just replied to you by e-mail again! Talk to you later! †
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Hallelujah!
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
"Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

(Hebrews 4: 14, 15, & 16)
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Two souls came to the Lord at Church tonight.

God is still looking for those who have a desire to know Him.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Totally AWESOME news, SirDent! The angels in heaven are rejoicing over those souls!
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Haleluyah! One soul came to the Lord at church yesterday. God is doing a great thing touching the lives of people everywhere.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."

(Galatians 6: 7&8)
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalme 118:24.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Psa 37:5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

Hos 10:13 Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war; He shall cry, yea, roar, He shall prevail against His enemies.

I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself; now will I cry like a trevailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up their pools.

And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; and I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them."

(Isaiah 42: 13-16)
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  These are only the perceptions of of the scribes; the Creator-God is not a physical being;He is only attributive without a blemish.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree the Creator isn't a physical being. He did, however, manifest in the flesh through the man Jesus Christ. That's the thing, paarsurrey.......Jesus was both God and man.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If jesus was god then why did he talk to himself. You know, he asked himself why he had forsaken himself?
  Also, why did he need to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from the punishment (hell) that he created to pay for the sins that he introduced us to?
  Makes no sense to me. How about you?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus talked to the Father as an example to us humans. He, knowing He was God's Son, could have done anything He wanted to without explaining anything to anybody. His life and death and resurrection was simply an example to us, for our benefit.
  And he didn't introduce us to sin in the way that you seem to mean. God gave us free will and warned us what we should NOT do as well as what we should do.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was god, Jesus was gods son. Make your mind up, which is it?
  As for god introducing us to sin, he told adam not to eat from the tree but at the time, adam didnt know what right and wrong was so how did he know it was wrong to disobey god?
  He didnt have the knowledge that he was doing wrong until after he ate the fruit.
  Thats not very fair is it? Isnt god all knowing? So he put the tree there KNOWING that adam and eve would eat from it.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
It's both those things and more.
Jesus was the Son of God, and Jesus was God in the flesh, and Jesus is God, inseparable from God the Father, the Holy Spirit.

I think Adam knew it was wrong. He only felt shame, however, after the deed was done. You have some good questions, but I perceive you're set on blaming God for everything, am I correct? With that mindset, you won't find the answers you want because your heart is closed off to God.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you think Adam knew it was wrong? The babble is pretty clear that Adam had no knowledge of good and evil.
  
  You know - because he had not eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We don't always have to experience something to know it's wrong.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really? So - even though the bible is 100% completely clear that Adam did not know the difference between good and evil - you are now saying the bible is wrong about this and you know better than the bible?
  
  Confused.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not saying that at all.
  
  I'm saying I believe Adam and Eve's conscience was tested. And they failed.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What? conscience? Please show me the scripture that backs this up. The bible is clear - they did not know the difference between good and evil. How could they have a conscience withoit this knowledge?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sin is a transgression of the law. What was the law? The rules. God told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge. They knew NOT to because God had told them NOT to.
  
  The Bible says Eve was deceived. How does one get deceived? By questioning the law, by questioning whether something is really right or true, or not. Eve did this by listening to the serpent, allowing him to tempt her to question the rules. We also can sin by deliberately doing something we already know is wrong. Adam did this. The Bible says he wasn't deceived. Yet the Bible refers to Adam's "sin". So, either way is wrong, it is sin.
  If they didn't both have a conscience, they wouldn't have realized they had fallen into sin even after eating of the tree.
  They realized their nakedness and were ashamed. The thing is, it wasn't a sin to be naked before that, but it was a sin to have disobeyed God. So their covering themselves after that was a feeble attempt to hide from God. The actual act of disobeying was the proof of the test.
  
  One thing we keep leaving out is the attempt to dismiss God's authority in all this, and reverence for Him.....
  
  If Adam and Eve had really been in awe of God's power like they should've been, they would've eaten of the tree of life. Why didn't they want all the good things that God had to offer them? Or maybe they did, and just hadn't taken the opportunity yet. Or.....Notice that Satan tempted them to eat of the other tree....
  Maybe they just hadn't "gotten around" to eating of the Tree of Life. Yet it was there in the midst of the Garden, we can assume in the midst of the Garden in the same vicinity as the other tree.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still did not address the point I made. They did not know the difference between good and evil. Eve was deceived because she did not understand the concept of deception. This is the root of what we are discussing is it not?
  
  Now you are arguing that they should have been in awe of God's power and this is why they were punished?
  
  You do a lot of maybes and assuming here as well. Have you even read this book?
  
  Or are you simply saying the book is wrong?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dont blame god for anything since I dont believe he exists. That would be as silly as blaming an imaginary friend dont you think?
  Im simply questionning the inconsistencies in the bible.
  Would you care to explain how jesus is gods son and at the same time god himself? You just asserted that he was yet you provide no explanation for this illogical claim.
  Also, you said you believe adam knew it was wrong, well the bible says he didnt know what wrong was until AFTER he ate the fruit so what you think is contradictory to what the bible says.
  Are you saying the bible is wrong?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, the Bible isn't wrong. People's interpretation of it can be wrong sometimes.
  I believe God made Adam and Eve with a conscience. Eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil made them see themselves in the light of their own sinfulness.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what are you saying? Did adam know he was doing wrong or not? Remember the bible states clearly that he had NO knowledge of good and evil before he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not a bad discussion. Give me Scripture that says Adam had NO knowledge of good and evil. I admit he had no first-hand knowledge of the consequences of evil....even though he had been warned that death was the consequence.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you REALLY need the scripture from genesis about the tree of good and evil? Its in genesis 2.
  If the adam already had knowledge of good and evil, then what do you think the tree of knowledge of good and evilvwas for?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it was simply to give them a choice. God always challenges us to choose. In the form of Jesus, He did the same thing---challenged mankind to choose Him over evil.
  
  Let me also ask you a question. There were two trees in the midst of the Garden. Why do you think the serpent tempted Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge instead of the Tree of Life?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well then if you believe that adam already had knowledge of good and evil then you undermine what the tree of knowledge actually gave them.
  If he already had the knowledge then the tree would have nothing to offer amd the bible clearly states that he saw things differently after eating from it so that is how we know he gained knowledge of good and evil AFTER eating from he tree. Knowledge that he did not have before otherwise he wouldnt have changed.
  As for what I believe about the serpent, I think its a fairytale that is poorly written and inconsistent with many contradictions and lots of nonsense.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well....I said I believe he knew it was wrong. He had NOT experienced the act nor the consequences of the sin before he ate.
  
  Adam knew God was the authority. Adam had experienced the creation of Eve! Genesis 2: 23 tells us this. So he must've known he should do as the Creator said. So I still think the "knowledge of good and evil" in the case of Adam was an awareness of having been put to the test of temptation and failing, not just being tempted and resisting.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "he must've known"
  
  Clearly he didnt and I already explained why. All you are doing is stating your belief and not backing it up.
  
  The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. Not the tree of experience. He gained knowledge of good and evil after eating from the tree which implies that he did not already have that knowledge.
  
  If he didnt have that knowledge, then he didnt know what wrong was. He didnt know disobeying anything was wrong just like a 2 year old doesnt.
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mclinoramaposted 14 years ago
It seems that yes, Satan did temp Adam and Eve to chose good or evil (I'm not even really going to approach the idea of whether he turned into a serpent, is a serpent, because I honestly don't care about that aspect of things at all) and I think that people are tempted everyday, but in more of a figurative sense. Our "minds" tell us if you do A, which you know to be wrong, you will get B, and isn't B worth doing something bad? How bad could the consequences really be? Surely they couldn't outweigh getting B!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  btw, Welcome to HubPages mclinorama.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
And notice that in this discussion, we are talking about the tree of knowledge of good and evil instead of focusing on the Lord, who IS the "Tree of Life". We are questioning God's word.
Sound familiar? That's what happened in Adam and Eve's situation....

Me? I want to know more about the Tree of Life.
What about you, Mark, and "Jesus was a hippy"?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im questionning the bible. I dont believe the bible to be true since it seems to be so inconsistent and contradictory.
  
  The bible is the main reason I DONT believe in the christian god.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean you're not at all curious about the "tree of life"?
  Even Revelation talks about that same tree being in Heaven.
  How do you suppose it got from the Garden of Eden to Heaven?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im about as curious about the tree of life as I am about the book of revelations and the impending doom we have yet to receive.
  
  I think the book is total nonsense. I personally dont bother trying to make things make sense anymore because it has proven to be impossible many times in the past.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, then do as Adam and Eve did, and focus on the temptations instead of the One who can keep you from falling into temptation.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im just focusing on the contradictions and the inconsistencies in the bible should they be about anything.
  
  If you want me to look at the good side of it then lets look at how an all loving god can drown children and babies in a global flood.
  
  Or how such a brilliant being can give laws such as "thou shallt not kill" in the same book as "kill those who try to lead you away from god".
  
  It doesnt matter what part of the bible I focus on. I think you are just trying to chane the topic since you have no real answer for the tree of knowledge problem other then you made up what you believe because it is not what the bible says.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
Once again, you're trying to blame God instead of taking responsibility for your own choices in life and realizing that everyone else also must take responsibility for their own behavior.
If you don't first acknowledge that God is sovreign and good, then you will always stay confused.
Romans 9 would be a good Chapter to read.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im not sure if this post is to me but if it is, then you must remember that blaming a non existant being for anything is just plain silly. I dont blame god for anything because I dont believe he exists. The bible is the only thing on earth to describe the christian god and it is total nonsense.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do you refer to Jesus even in your screen name? Come on, you're curious about Jesus. The book of John reveals that Jesus is God. So why are you curious about Jesus when you say you don't believe God exists?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just because a man existed doesnt mean he was god. Mohammed existed and so did buddha and joseph smith. Just because they existed dose that mean what they said was true? No it doesnt.
  
  Im not curious about Jesus. As far as I can tell, he was a preacher that got killed like many others in his time.
  
  Do you believe the koran? How about the ghita?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the Bible. No, I don't believe the Koran, and haven't heard of the ghita. I learned a lesson from the Garden of Eden's events. I choose to focus on what I know God says, rather than to seek too much knowledge and have too many choices battering at my conscience.
  
  Why would you have lack of curiosity about a man who died and then rose again from the dead to offer you salvation?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, you choose not to have knowledge. Theres a perfect example of why I think the bible is destructive to the progression of society.
  
  You read the koran but dont believe it? Why not? I would say it is much more in keeping with the god of the old testament then the new one. Anyone reading all three would say that the new testament seems to be about a different god altogether.
  
  Old testament - vengeful god
  New testament - loving god of forgiveness
  Koran - vengeful god
  
  I think you just dont like the koran or you were brought up in a christian society and therefore brainwashed, sorry, taught christianity maybe by your family?
  
  I know the bible is false. The geneologies from adam to jesus equate to only about 6000 years while civilisations have been known to exist for well over 10,000 years.
  
  The global flood evidently never happened and all history shows that during the time of the supposed flood, there were chinese people before AND after the alleged event.
  
  The bible is full of lies. Sorry to break it to you. I think you should pursue knowledge. Please?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As Eve should've said to the serpent-----No thanks. I don't have to have direct knowledge of things to know they're wrong, especially when I already have the truth.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you deliberately ignore anything and everything in favour of your belief. You dont know the truth, you only think you do.
  
  You are a prime example of the term, "ignorance is bliss".
  
  I hope you dont subject children to this ignorance of fact in favour of fanciful belief.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now now. Personal attacks is underhanded tactics. I was kinda wondering when you'd get around to that. But I did think it would be a last resort; instead, you've gone to it in a short time! lol. Sounds like a last-ditch effort that Satan would've used on Eve if she hadn't fallen for plan # 1. My God, she was an easy mark. But then, she didn't have a whole history of evidence and a Book explaining it and a risen Savior, did she? So today I'm blessed that I do have that Word to guide me.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No not atall. Why you would feel like I am personally attacking you is beyond me. You said yourself you dont want knowledge which implies that you ignore facts like the ones I gave you which you didnt respond to.
  
  And no, last resort? That implies I would think attacking you might acheive something. No, I am fairly sure you are indoctrinated beyond return to normality.
  
  You admit to denying knowledge and I find that very very sad. It honestly saddens me that that type of thinking is being instilled in children as we speak.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say I didn't want knowledge. I said I already know what truth is, and that I don't care to delve into certain kinds of knowledge that I already know are wrong.
  One doesn't have to run out into the middle of the road in front of a car to know that one is likely to get maimed or killed.
  
  And I find it not only sad, but shameful, that you would advocate teaching children there is no God.
  
  I'm about done with talking with you, unless you soon decide to straighten up and talk even some common sense.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im not talking about teaching children there is no god. At no point in my entire life have I EVER claimed that.
  
  "I choose to focus on what I know God says, rather than to seek too much knowledge"
  
  Your words.
  
  Prove there is a god, otherwise you have no place and no right to teach children that there is one.
  
  Would you like a mormon teaching their child that mormonism is correct? How about muslims teaching their children? No? Because its wrong?
  
  Not a single religion on this planet can prove that what they teach is true and therefore they have no right atall in teaching these things to young children who are succeptable to accepting these teachings as true.
  
  Let them grow up first until they are adults and capable of making up their own mind as to wether or not any of the religions are true.
  
  Teaching kids religion at a young age is paramount to child abuse. It is called brainwashing.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where have I heard that comment before around here? That teaching children religion is child abuse? Hmm....
  Well, I will say that teaching them false religion may be tantamount to child abuse. But they're THEIR children and they DO have the right to teach them as they see fit. Who are you to say they don't have that right? Apparently someone didn't teach you right at all!
  It's a sad thing indeed when people have the nerve to say parents shouldn't teach their children the Bible.
  Even sadder when I hear you infer that it's okay to teach children about "a god" but not the Christian God.
  Who brainwashed you into thinking we can pick and choose what God is according to our desires?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem in children learning about different religions just so long as they are not brainwashed into believing that any of them are TRUE.
  
  Can you prove your religion? No.
  
  I was brought up to make up my own mind. I wasnt forcefed any religion even though both my parents were religious.
  
  Who am I to say what they should teach them? Someone who cares about childrens rights.
  
  By your logic it is ok to teach children to be racist just so long as their taught it by their parents.
  
  No. Its a sad thing that children are being brainwashed by parents before they are old enough to make up their OWN MIND.
  
  You can't pick and choose a god. Can you choose what to believe? You can't make yourself believe something out of choice.
  
  Noone brainwashed me. Thats the point. I can use my own mind and I used it to study for myself and that is when I realised that all the religions I have ever encountered are utter baloney coined by primitive people in order to control the masses into doing what they wanted them to do.
  
  If you want to know why you believe what you believe, go and study the council of nicaea and read about constantine and how he got a bunch of bishops from different religions to pick and choose which parts of scripture they wanted to keep and which parts to toss out.
  
  Read about how they made up dec 25th as jesus birthday. Read about how they made up the whole trinity concept.
  
  Yes, It is wrong to teach children unproven things as fact when they are not old enough to decide for themself.
  
  You think it is right to brainwash children before they are old enough to decide the facts for themselves and you question MY upbringing?
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
You're drawing conclusions that aren't true.

By the way, you said you care about children's rights....

Are you for or against abortion?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am for abortion for the following reasons.
  
  1. A feutus does not feel anything. Dont tell me it does because I was one once and I know.
  
  2. There are already too many children in homes that are being bought up without loving parents and that is very bad for the child. An unwanted child growing up without real parents is not good.
  
  3. Women in poor countries where abortion is illegal often dump or kill their babies after they are born and are developed enough to suffer and feel pain.
  
  On the assumption that you are anti abortion can I assume your reasons are that the bible says its wrong?
  
  My answers are based on pain and suffering. What are yours based on?
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Druid Dudeposted 14 years ago
To teach that there is a god when there isn't is wrong, just as the reverse is also true. Science, regardless of common assertion, can't, and doesn't disprove god. The reverse is also true that the followers of "unscientific" points of veiw can't disprove the accepted tennants of science. Both would be in error to attempt to discredit the other. Sad that so many people don't realize this. There is an intangible "something" and most scientists agree, but, exactly what it is, and what it means to us, is unknown. Even Hawking doesn't disprove god, because he knows that he can't. One person claimed that it was because he was afraid of the church. REALLY!
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  DoubleScorpionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like the ideas presented here.
  
  I have a question to add to your line of thought.
  
  If science proves there is no god, what happens to the belief? Something to ponder...
  In my opinion, there would still be those who claim it is all lies.
  
  But, if science proves there is a god, what happens to science?
  Something to ponder...
  In my opinion, nothing would happen to science. They still attempt to figure out the unknowns.
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  Druid Dudeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  both were born simoultaneously. Same mother. One went one way, one went the other. When they can agree, then and only then, will we stand on the threshold of the dream.
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Science does not bring any new concepts; it only brings forth what is already in existence in the nature, set and created by the Creator-God.
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  Druid Dudeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Anew concept was that the earth was round, not flat. Sure, the planet was already round (Oval) but, an individual had to prove it before it became widely accepted, otherwise, it was the inquisition.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is not that Earth became round after when the science people declared it as such; Earth was already round and the science people only corrected the wrong notion that it was not round. Nature did not take anything from the Scientists.
  
  And the Religion also accepted it as should be.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How grateful I am to know He endured such things for our sake. What great Love He has for us!
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  Been listening to the "Geuss Who"?
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Tonight I'm asking the Lord to comfort all those Believers who are hurting. Lord please wrap them in your arms and ease their pain, remind them You're their God, their Comforter; Your mercy endures forever; may Your Holy Spirit intercede on their behalf when they haven't the strength to pray. In the name above all names----Jesus Christ. Amen.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Psa 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who is this Lord?
  Anybody, please
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is the son of God. He died for our sins. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,the truth,and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But Jesus is not mentioned in Psalme 118:24:
  
  Psalme 118:24.
  
  [16] I will think of thy justifications: I will not forget thy words. [17] GIMEL. Give bountifully to thy servant, enliven me: and I shall keep thy words. [18] Open thou my eyes: and I will consider the wondrous things of thy law. [19] I am a sojourner on the earth: hide not thy commandments from me. [20] My soul hath coveted to long for thy justifications, at all times.
  [21] Thou hast rebuked the proud: they are cursed who decline from thy commandments. [22] Remove from reproach and contempt: because I have sought after thy testimonies. [23] For princes sat, and spoke against me: but thy servant was employed in thy justifications. [24] For thy testimonies are my meditation: and thy justifications my counsel. [25] DALETH. My soul hath cleaved to the pavement: quicken thou me according to thy word.
  [26] I have declared my ways, and thou hast heard me: teach me thy justifications. [27] Make me to understand the way of thy justifications: and I shall be exercised in thy wondrous works. [28] My soul hath slumbered through heaviness: strengthen thou me in thy words. [29] Remove from me the way of iniquity: and out of thy law have mercy on me. [30] I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments I have not forgotten.
  Book Of Psalms Psalm 118
  
  http://www.drbo.org/chapter/21118.htm
  
  God-the-Father of Jesus had no wife; so He had no son or daughter .Did God-the-Father of Jesus had any wife?
  
  Jesus did not die for your sins; he did not die a cursed death on Cross; that is why they did not give him any funeral bath and no funeral prayers were done for him; they knew Jesus had not died.
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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus was before David and was born after David. Only God could pull it off. Glory to Hios Holy name. \o/
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I noticed some people writing in the forums about their PHds in religious studies and things like that.

I would like to know who taught Elijah? Elijah is a man who was taken up on a chariot of fire to heaven. Never died and is still alive today. I ask again, who taught him?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hard to argue with logic like this.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was attempting to only read this thread and not respond to anyone "christian" out of respect for nature of this thread. I did respond to one post that I thought was interesting and ask that person some "what if" questions, as I was curious to his thoughts.
  
  I find it amazing how some people, will dispute something, simply because they disagree with or dislike the person posting. I don't agree with everything that is posted on here, but I can't dispute it, because either (A) I don't know enough on the subject, or (B) I have no proof, other than my opinion.
  
  I find that reading others, allows me to learn things. And sometimes, even though I don't agree with someone; what they said, or how they said it, clears up a thought I had on something because it made me look at it from a different point of view.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lost me. Sorry.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No worries. I was just saying, in general, why do people argue a point as truth, without all the facts or a strong understanding of the knowledge
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  They are religious?
  
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
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Psa 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

Psa 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

Psa 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

Psa 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
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Greek Oneposted 14 years ago
thankfully, we have examples where religious tyranny was overthrown by calmer, more peaceful anti religious sentiment..

life France during the revolution, for example

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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup - religion causes conflicts. Whether it provokes a backlash such as the French Revolution or bows down to the Inquisition.
  
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha.. blaming it for the backlash too? Where does personal responsibility come in?
  
  If religion and God are the creation of man's imagination, then it is man himself that is to blame... religion being just an outlet for man's better and worse angles.. as is politics, or economics, or any other area of thought which inspires great, and evil, acts.
  
  Our faults, dear Mark, lies not in Whom we worship in the stars, but in ourselves
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  logic,commonsenseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely right on oh Greek One!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah - and inventing a god was one of our biggest faults.
  
  Innit
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would argue that the failure to properly market Beta format videotapes was man's biggest mistake... but you are entitled to your opinion
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All I have to say is
  
  "U-matic"
  
  RIP.
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  before me time
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No - not really. LOLOLO
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written 'That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.'"

(Romans 3:3&4)
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Greek Oneposted 14 years ago
I'm an 18 year old nubile young lady from California.. I have no idea what you are talking about
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would explain why you follow the Leafs.
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes... and if I was an 18 year old homosexual male, i would naturally follow the Canucks
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you implying, miss, that an 18 year old homosexual male is more intelligent in naturally following a Stanley Cup contender than an 18 year old nubile young lady from California?
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no, i am implying that as the only 'cup' the Canucks will drink out of is of the 'jock' variety, it is natural that such an image would intrigue a homosexual male
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That image should also intrigue an 18 year old nubile young lady from California, too.
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i like well hung players.. not those who play so bad in the playoffs, they should be hung
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psa 34:9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fear the lord? I thought he loved us?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fear (as in respect)
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As opposed to fear (as in fear)?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  7. fear
  to be worried or afraid.
  
  8. fear
  to have reverential awe of. <<<<
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I view God in those terms, both terms actually.
  After all, He is GOD! I fear His power, His wrath, if I sin. And always I am in awe of Him.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Fear is a distressing negative emotion induced by a perceived threat."
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear
  
  Liars for Jesus at it again. Making up false definitions of words. This is why your religion causes so many conflicts.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Christian discussion?
  Right on topic bro'
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fear of the Lord dj. Kiwi here is explaining to me you Christians have a special new meaning of the word fear.
  
  Come on - this is the basis of your religion - of course it is on topic.
  
  Dear me.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you provide Non-Christian discussion all the time.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  SO - rather than apologize for berating me for not staying on topic when I was on topic and responding to what some one else has said - you change the subject.
  
  OK
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I apologise for berating you.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Liar me or you ?
  
  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Fear
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh - I know there are some Liars For Jesus with dictionary websites that this one scrapes from.
  
  What does the Oxford English say?
  
  If sez it online iz it reel?
  
  And no - I was not calling you a liar. You are just repeating nonsense you got from some one else.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok Sir Smarty pants try this:
  
  Oxford Dict.
  
  http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entr … _us1246476
  
  1)
  
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  4) Reverence /in awe of God
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good grief! You think this site is the same as the Oxford English dictionary?
  
  This wouldn't be the same database that defines atheism as "refusing to believe in god" would it?
  
  In any case - this is what you linked to actually says
  
  "an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat"
  
  archaic "a mixed feeling of dread and reverence"
  
  "a feeling of anxiety concerning the outcome of something or the safety"
  
  "a feeling of anxiety concerning the outcome of something or the safety"
  
  Not seeing the word you said was there - awe.
  
  No wonder your religion causes so many fights.
  
  As a matter of interest - what do you think you are going to achieve by telling lies about this? Do you think I will accept your religious nonsense? Or do you think I may be even more turned off of your religion than I already am?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not what fear means. I dont respect anyone who uses scare tactics to make people do what they want.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  http://www.answers.com/topic/fear
  
  (fîr)
  n. 1. a. A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger.
  b. A state or condition marked by this feeling: living in fear.
  
  2. A feeling of disquiet or apprehension: a fear of looking foolish.
  3. Extreme reverence or awe, as toward a supreme power.
  4. A reason for dread or apprehension: Being alone is my greatest fear.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seems like they only know one kind of fear sirdent
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is an archaic (old fashioned) definition of fear which you got from a free online dictionary.
  
  Look up the oxford dictionary or something with a little more credence and it will tell you that the single definition that you chose, is archaic.
  
  I think if you took a census, most people would think fear means to be scared of.
  
  And I am also not in reverance or awe of anyone who uses scare tactics tomake people do what they want.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No you are wrong ,'fear of' describes more than one defination.
  
  So,really you owe me an opology.
  
  It was not my intention to scare anyone and I object to you suggesting it was.
  
  All the definations of fear!
  
  http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entr … _us1246476
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was talking about god using scare tactics not you
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You answered under my name
  
  Nevermind.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im a little confused. I wasnt accusing you of using scare tactics, I was talking about god using scare tactics and me not respecting him.
  
  As for the definition of the term "fear" the definition regarding reverance and awe is an archaic definition or old fashioned, so to speak.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok ,but in your original post you didnt use the word God ,so it looked like you and Mark had accused (or implied) same thing, me of lying.
  
  But ok lets move on.
  
  Maybe old fashioned ,but we have many English words like that.
  
  Its true that its also one of the words we dont use everyday ( not even Christians) but thats not to say we are not aware of its defination.
  
  The main point I think here is God hasnt scared me into believing in Him ,not for one single second.
  
  The more I read ,talked to him, and reasoned my way through His word ,the more I got to know Him.
  
  It is a personal relationship ,not an intellectual relationship.
  
  That is why many people who dont know Jesus ,dont get it,in my opinion.
  
  God is Spirit and isnt contained in just a book.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  The Bible is an old book writtne over the course of about 1000 years.
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Psa 34:13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

Psa 34:14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Psa 34:15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
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Psa 34:16 The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

Psa 34:17 The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
"And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

Saying, 'Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord; peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, 'Master, rebuke thy disciples.'

And he answered and said unto them, 'I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.'"
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

(Isaiah 25:8)
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He did that, yes. Note the Death AND Resurrection.
  100% complete Atonement!!!
  
  Question is, what are ya'll doing about it!
  
  James.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Persevering, James, that's what I'm doing; striving for the mark of salvation, holding onto the hand of the One who is able to keep me from falling.
  And trying to impart that knowledge and strength, that awesome Good News of God's Love, to others.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you called?
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
Greek One, straighten up Mister. Usually you make me laugh, but not today; your humor is too ribald and I'm in too pensive a mood and I have a cold and my head hurts. (Oops...run-on sentence)....
You say you're a Believer, or did I get that wrong?
Tell me something good today, something the Lord has done for you yesterday or today or anytime. Don't let the stones cry out.
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He has given my the patience to deal with those on hubpages who misconstrue His words and deeds...
  
  His grace is magnificent
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
It is not that Earth became round after when the science people declared it as such; Earth was already round and the science people only corrected the wrong notion that it was not round. Nature did not take anything from the Scientists.

And the Religion also accepted it as should be.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I reckon the earth's always been round.
  I dunno what Religion you mean-----Islam? But I do know that I've never had a problem understanding that the earth is round.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The atheists do say that Judaism and Christianity believe that the Earth is flat; while in the times of Jesus or Moses or Adam even the atheists, if they existed at all, must have believed that it is flat. Science had not yet discovered that Earth was round.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe long ago some people believed the earth was flat, even Christians, I dunno. I think that idea came from misinterpreting some Bible passages that speak of the four corners of the earth or the rising of the sun. But I would think that no one believes that today.....
  You think scientists are the ones that cleared that up?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes; whenever science brings in new things with proofs every religion accepts it except of course the radicals; and the radicals or extremists are found even in atheists agnostics and the skeptics.
  
  Yet I see atheists quoting history from the pre-history periods; a very unscientific approach.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I personally don't accept everything that scientists say, period. They're human and fallible just like everyone else, and therefore their data can be erroneous.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Brenda went for a walk and forgot which thread I was on
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi kiwi, It's nice to see you here. Did you enjoy your walk?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yea thanks WOC, walked all the way to Diary Queen
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  Ha ha, Good for you!
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Psa 4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.

Psa 4:6 There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us.

Psa 4:7 Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you righteous then?
  
  Just as a matter of interest - what do you get out of doing this? I mean - it is hardly a "discussion" is it?
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
Eaglekiwi, hi. Yumm now that you said Dairy Queen, I'm thinking along the lines of a banana split. Look what ya did! haha
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
I declare April 14th Banana Split Day

Yep Its official -I checked.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Awesome!
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Beelzedadposted 14 years ago
Oh yes, we can find a definition for "fear" that means reverence and awe for a super being.

That's of course, if you have a so-called personal relationship and have conversations with the god.

But, so often, we hear believers giving us a choice not to have such a personal relationship. It is then that the definition of fear changes from reverence and awe to fear of gods wrath, eternal hellfire and goblins nibbling at your netheregions for all time. That certainly is something to fear, by the classic and most common use of the definition.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just because you prefer the idea of a god who never executes judgement, doesn't make the God who DOES, nonexistent nor any less real or important.
  Nor does it make Him any less loving.
  Because He knows you have the ability to choose good from evil. For Him to just let everyone get by with acting anyway they might be tempted to, would be to assume they're sub-human.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  True, it only shows that god to be petty and cruel simply because his concept of judgment is for self-serving reasons.
  
  Or any less evil. In other words, your god is psychotic that he can go from one extreme to the next, meting out endless love and endless violence, too.
  
  And, I can do that without his guidance. But, if I chose to accept his guidance, I too would be meting out endless love and endless violence, because that's what your god teaches.
  
  No, just human, which is what we are.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
I see now why He said His Spirit won't always strive with mankind. Hard hearts abound, apparently, in today's society, fueled by the rhetoric of audacious ones who, woefully, call good, evil.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You give good reason for your Spirit to go elsewhere then seeking whatever attention it wants here on earth. Leave mankind to conduct itself.
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Brenda Durhamposted 14 years ago
...once again, overlooking the Tree of Life and picking the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.....

Rebellion and sin carries pleasure, doesn't it?
....for a season....
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, so now you tell me I am sinning and it's giving me pleasure to sin. I'm wallowing in pure evil, chortling inanely while hatching my next diabolical plot to take over the world and cover it in darkness.
  
  Hilarious, Brenda.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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