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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   I see.
   
   I define the human condition as we're lost in sin unless we acknowledge the power of a non-human God.

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      (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Certainly, your belief is part of the human condition, a detail, so to speak.
      
      We aren't lost in sin, Brenda. Humans are filled with compassion and caring, with no requirement whatsoever from gods. If that were truly the case, none of us would be here.

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         Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I reject the notion that we are full of compassion and caring..
         
         I myself consist of a chewy nugget centre, coated by a thin layer of milk chocolate

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            Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Drat!
            You said the right words, Greek One.
            
            I cannot resist nutty chocolates!  haha
            
            I assume that statue of Homer in your avatar is a CHOCOLATE BAR??!!!  haha

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            (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Okay, then answer this, how the heck did they get the chewy nougat center inside of you?

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               Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               That's a great question for a show called "How It's Made" or the show "How Do They Do It?"
               
               Ever seen those shows?
               
               Very interesting stuff.
               
               I've seen how many things from pencil erasers to rockets are made.
               Can't say as I retained all that knowledge, but the shows are very interesting,  and I did learn some things!

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               Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               you aren't gay-bashing with that question, are you?? lol

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                  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Okay, I really didn't need that visual. Lol.

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   Hokeyposted 15 years ago

   I don't know what religious people do. I kind of wished I'd been a Christian with the blind faith that God is doing the right thing. As a Buddhist, you feel like you have more control over the situation, and that you can change your karma.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The thing about Christianity is that it's always available to anyone, until they're dead.
      It's a wonderful thing to be able to leave it all in God's hands.
      Is that what you're meaning, Hokey?

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         (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Are you afraid to take control of your own life, Brenda?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Let's say I learned my lesson(s) in my younger days,  when I entertained the idea that I was much more immortal than I now see I am.

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               (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               We are mortal, Brenda, which is why we need to take control of our own lives ourselves.

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         Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yes Brenda that must be a wonderful thing. Alas that is not what I believe. God comes from within. There isn't dualism. We are not God but we have power over our destiny. In your belief this is called free will. There is no divine intervention. Everything that happens is because of Actions and conditions. There is a divine spark in all and we are all interconnected. My brother died yesterday of a Heroin overdose. I miss him badly. It's times like these that I understand why you believe what you do. It empowers you to let go. Let go and let god right?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yes.
            The Peace of God is a restful thing.
            
            But with the knowledge of God and free will comes a thing called accountability.  Christians know our life's choices have eternal consequences,  and our hearts become burdened for the sake of everyone else's soul as well as our own.
            
            I'm so sorry about your brother!
            I hope you find closure about his death.
            I don't believe you'll find it anywhere but at the feet of God.
            Not trying to preach at you.  Just saying what I know in my heart....

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               Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               For me to let go I accept that life is impermanence. Ever changing. That is why we live in the moment so that we experience fully what is happening now with the knowledge that this too will pass. I also understand that even though I love him very deeply that he doesn't belong to me.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   Who does he belong to?

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      Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      His life was his own

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   Hokey,
   
   I'm  going to go fix dinner (supper, my Mom calls it).
   
   If it will help you in any way to discuss more later, feel free and I'll respond when I can.
   Will try to read your hub later, as I got a glimpse in the feed that you've written one about your brother?
   
   I'd like to pray for you too,  but if that's offensive to you I won't, because it would be useless.
   
   Later.

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      Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your wonderful offer. I accept your prayers. We call it Metta which means lovingkindness but it all comes down to the same thing. Wishing for the well being of another. Namaste Brenda.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   Then it's a given.  I've prayed for you.  And will keep you in my prayers and heart.
   I'm always reminded when praying for anyone, of how Jesus told Peter that He had prayed for him.  That passage always comforts me and encourages me, to know that there's such a great Mediator between God and Man.  That comfort can be yours too.  I'm not Jesus, but I have prayed to Him that He will keep drawing you to Him.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   Hokey,
   
   I was tempted to post many things tonight, in many threads.
   I was tempted to fight back in anger at the wrongs I've seen on here.
   I was tempted to be distracted from continuing the promise I made to you.
   But I was drawn inextricably right back here, where I am stuck thinking about you.
   I said prayers again for you tonight.
   I hope you don't mind.
   Thinking of you.
   Love in Christ.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   Been over a week.  Wow.
   
   Just bumping for the Heaven of it!
   

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   It's been too long.
   Perusing and engaging in so many other topics at the expense of this one is like walking in the devil's playground;  no place to lay one's head, no rest.
   
   Wondering if there are any others on this site who are willing to say they're simply born-again Christians?

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      donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      Yes. And I admire your boldness!
      
      The reason I don't get into the "debates" is because I feel it becomes more a 'man-made battleground' and ends up defeating the purpose. It's important to always respond with love and compassion when presenting the Gospel. But what I find on the forums sometimes puts me in a "defensive stance" and I'm tempted to respond with the same tongue lashings that we get from the atheists/non-believers. So I try to stay out of that mindset. It's spiritualy self-defeating for me and does nothing to make my Faith more solid.
      
      Brenda, if you get a chance, read my hub My Reality Show Experience:the Whole Story. I want to share it with you, as it is based on my Faith.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   There's an old song that's been running through my head.  I heard it in a Pentecostal service as a child, and even though I don't agree with some aspects of that doctrine,  the song sticks and I am praising God today!
   
   "I know God is God
   and He always will be God!
   
   He's God in the Father
   He's God in the Son
   He's God in the Holy Ghost
   He's God all three in one!
   
   Well, I know God is God
   And He always will be God!"
   
   haha
   I LOVE it!  And I Love Him!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Another one...
    
    
    "My God is real
    He's real in my soul
    My God is real
    for He has washed and made me whole
    His Love for me
    is like pure gold
    My God is real
    for I can feel Him in my soul!"

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    1Samuel 30:6:
    
    "And David was greatly distressed;  for the people spake of stoning him,  because the soul of all the people was grieved,  every man for his sons and for his daughters;  but David encouraged himself in the Lord his God."

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Judges 20: 22:
    
    "And the people,  the men of Israel,  encouraged themselves,  and set their battle again in array in the place where they put themselves in array the first day."

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    Beelzedadposted 15 years ago

    Hi Brenda, you might have to change the title to "Christian Monologue."

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       Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       If necessary, so it shall be!  ha
       
       

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Will do, donotfear.  Thank you!
    
    I understand your view.
    But I never leave out Judgement while speaking of His Love.  You've seen that.  The two go hand in hand.
    In this thread, I will still call Mark K. a ruthlessly irreverent fool.
    Are you mad at me now again?

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       donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       
       Am I mad at you again?  Not at all, nor have I ever been.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Awesome, donotfear!
    Thanks for showing me the hub.  You rate way up there!  haha
    I rated the hub UP too.
    And our God rates WAYYYY up there!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31D2g7t5Bjs

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwhY2dI488s

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    Williamjordanposted 15 years ago

    This seems to be a good disscussion glad theres no preaching so far. I love to see fellow belivers enjoying their faith.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Cool.
    
    Thanks for coming in here!
    
    ..if ya stick around long enough, though, who knows?...there...might..be...preachin'!  hahaha

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    If and when the time comes (and it's already here in some instances) that America's laws are driven so far left that they attempt to supercede God's laws,  what will you do, Christians?
    And for Christians in other countries, have you faced that challenge yet, or do you see it coming?
    
    Will you obey man or God?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Didja hear that pin drop?
    
    haha
    
    
    Well I'm off to cater to the demands of ....laundry.
    Folding towels is sometimes very rewarding!
    

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       Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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       Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       To interject here... true Christians of course follow the Greek Orthodox faith.
       
       Thank yuu very much
       
       

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          Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I beg to differ.
          Christians follow only the Lord, period.
          But you're welcome to elaborate and I'm willing to debate.  Not discuss, but civil debate!  haha

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             paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             Hi friends Brenda Durham and Greek One
             
             If you want to debate; please select someone as a moderator for peace.
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Sorry.  I personally trust NO ONE to remain neutral as a moderator!  haha
                And I doubt anyone else would either.
                I can see it now----mods fighting the mod who takes up for the Christian and the other mod fighting the ones who take up for the Catholic and on and on.....and then of course some other intervention or interference would pop in...
                
                I did say civil debate, if you'll read.
                
                Thanks.
                
                I am a simple Christian, peaceful most of the time. 

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                   paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Hi friend Brenda Durham
                   
                   Yes civil debate; what would be your conditions; maybe the other party agrees. The Moderator won't judge anybody but would ensure that both the friends remain civil and don't abuse.
                   
                   I know it is difficult; but nevetheless possible.
                   
                   Thanks
                   
                   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Never mind, paarsurrey.
    If you're offering to moderate,  again, never mind.
    I'm sure two adults like Greek One and me can debate civilly if we wanna.
    
    Hey, btw, who the heck are you, really?
    
    Come on!  'Fess up!
    Wouldn't be the first time someone finally told the truth 'round here. 
    
    I'll hafta catch ya later though.  Duty calls for now.
    
    

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       Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with whatever Brenda's position is so as to avoid the moderator’s involvement

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          Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Well shoot! LOL
          You're no fun at all, Greek!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Genesis 1: 3:
    
    "And God said, 'Let there be light': and there was light."
    
    
    

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Obadiah 21:
    
    "And saviors (saved ones/deliverers) shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau;  and the kingdom shall be the Lord's."

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Some really good Christian movies:
    
    
    The Passion of The Christ
    
    Flywheel
    
    Facing the Giants

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Joshua
    
    Fireproof

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    It was for me that Jesus died
    and it was for you as well
    to save us from the depths of sin
    to save us from a fiery hell
    
    
    Set aside any foolish pride
    lay it all upon the line
    Reputation matters not one slice
    compared to His great sacrifice
    
    
    He died for me; I Love Him so!
    My name means nothing, so you know.
    He died for me; I'll face my sin
    I can do no less than live for Him.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    "Marvel not that I said unto thee, 'Ye must be born again.'"
    
    I wonder how many born-again followers of Christ there are here.....

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    paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

    Christian Discussion
    
    Hi friends
    
    "Christianity" is a misnomer; it represents the new religion invented by clever Paul in Rome. It has nothing to do with Jesus or Christ; Jesus had gone to India; Paul thought it a good oppurtunity to launch a new religion and used Jesus as a scapegoat.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    oh ye of little or no Faith.
    
    But thanks for the bump.
    Maybe eventually there will actually be a few born-again Christians who aren't afraid to both spread the Gospel and carry their Crosses unhindered by political correctness.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Praise God I'm a "whosoever",
    
    SAVED,
    
    born-again,
    
    Blood-bought,
    
    FORGIVEN,
    
    part of the remnant of God!   How AWESOME that ANYONE can be so,  if they'll only reach out and touch the Lord as He goes by!
    
    What a Savior we have in the person of Christ JESUS, Amen!!!

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       Precious Pearlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Amen!  I stand in agreement with you!  How AWESOME is the Lover of My Soul!  He encompasses me about with songs of deliverance and soothes me with His everlasting, unconditional, unfailing love.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago

    Hi Brenda,
    
    here's a link you might like.  (seriously, it's not porn or devil worship, or love for Obama...)
    
    http://www.strike.tv/show/harmony/

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    calpol25posted 15 years ago

    Hi Brenda
    
    I know we have not got on in the past, but its good to see you back ,

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    So if you USE ALL CAPS - does that mean adultery is not a sin any more?
    
    Keen to know.........................
    
    Ron:
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XLshEBvYdw
    
    

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Mark, If I only had hair....

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Sorry, but you guys "aren't the droids I'm lookin' for."  LOL
    You've already had your chance(s) and ya blew it.  Especially you Mark.  So I'm no longer interested.
    
    
    
    Back on-topic----------
    
    Anybody born-again around here?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    P.S.
    
    I do have one thing to say to you Ron.....
    
    Thanks for being nice to me a few times, for whatever reason it was.
      I haven't forgotten that. 
    
    See ya around maybe.

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       Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I believe you can have strong disagreements with people and still like them.

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    mythbusterposted 15 years ago

    One of my favourite portions of Scripture is the account of Jesus at the town called Nain, where He raises the widow's son and returns the widow's "future" to her by raising her son "and Jesus gave him to his mother." (Luke 7:15).
    
    Entire account at Luke 7:11-17.
    
    Also in Luke - the account involving the Centurion at Capernaum asking Jesus to heal the Centurion's servant is quite a profound statement about respect and love.
    
    At Luke 7:1-16.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Yes.  And faith and compassion.
    Awesome verses!

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       Transformtrulyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       this is what im looking for consider me in, teaching people to transform their life with the word of god is my whole purpose for hubbing

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          Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Please elaborate.
          Are you born-again?

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    Precious Pearlposted 15 years ago

    Hi All! 
    
    One of my favorite scriptures is Jeremiah 29:11 which says "For I know the plans I have for you" declares the Lord "plans to prosper and not to harm you, plans to give you and a future." 
    
    And another one is 3 John ... "Beloved I would above all that you would prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers."
    
    Prospering means different things to some but to me it means I am healthy, at peace in my spirit, surrounded by those I love, in close relationship with Him and my needs are met.  It may mean something different to you.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Hi Precious Pearl!
    
    Nice to see ya!
    
    Are you a born-again Christian?

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       Precious Pearlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes Mam I am!! Born Again and on Fire for Him!  Nice to see you too!  Sorry it took me so long to respond.  Great to chat with another sister in the Lord.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Two questions--
    What was required of you in order to be born again?
    And do you hold any definite stance in your political views?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    What a beautiful day the Lord has made!   I WILL rejoice and be glad in it!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Bumping for the Heaven of it!
    
    It's a good day to be alive an' kickin', which I am (just not kickin' too high).
    
    Rise and shine all y'all who are born again,  'cause Jesus did! 
    
    (That is, IF there are anymore around here)......someone said I may have to call this thread "Christian Monologue" and they might be right.   But hey what's the good of talkin' to yourself if ya don't answer yourself?  So here I is, talkin' to myself and answerin' myself.  At least that way I'll be pretty sure to get the right answers eventually, instead of leftist ones!

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       Precious Pearlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Brenda,
       
       I love your sense of humor ... you gave me a much needed giggle this morning.  As the Word says ... you are encouraging yourself in your most holy faith ... if we don't encourage ourselves who will?
       
       God bless you and keep it coming Girl!

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    paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

    Christian Discussion
    
    Hi friends
    
    The Modern Christianity founded by cunning Paul; is only based on one core point "Jesus died a cursed death on Cross"; hence for understanding "Christian Deception"; one should solely focus on it. It is a fact that Jesus did not die on the Cross; so the whole "Christian Mythology" is proved false and the Cross, that tortured Jesus, explodes to pieces.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Paul didn't "found" Christianity.  The earlier disciples did (John, Peter, etc.).
    
    But Paul furthered the spread of it, Amen.
    
    For your information, Paul (whom you call "cunning") was a FORGIVEN man, which is the very basis of salvation.   He was born-again!  He had been a murderer, or at least consenting to the murder of Christians including the righteous Stephen who was stoned to death.   But the Lord interceded in his life and called him to spread the Gospel;  Paul repented and was saved, going on to become one of the most eloquent and fervent followers of Christ.
    
    Paul even speaks of people who refuse to see how he was forgiven, who kept bringing up his past against him, and he defends himself in specific Scriptures.   
    Perhaps you should read those before you continue to condemn the forgiven.

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       paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Brenda Durham
       
       Just please read from the following link:
       
       The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity
       by Lewis Loflin
       
       "Jesus was not the founder of Christianity as we know it today."
       
       http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/paul/paul.htm
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Correct. Stephen was the last one Paul ordered death to, some years after the Jerusalem event. Why some have daggers for S/Paul is weird. Only two so far in these forums do.

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          paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend Twenty One Days
          
          Only in love of Jesus and Mary.
          
          I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Too bad. False affection is adultery, you know.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Thanks Precious Pearl.
    God bless ya!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    Hi James.
    How ya doin' these days?

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       Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hello Brenda. Amazed as always!
       A week back from my holiday in St Lucia,
       and ready to go there again or New Zealand.
       -cuz I have a new zeal, get it! -hehe.
       
       How's by you?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          haha I get it!
          That's cool.
          
          I'm...same ol' same ol'.
          I wish I could travel without getting sick.  It would be awesome to see some of those places...

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             Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             my photos of ST Lucia are on my FB page, which won't load here.
             
             What an awesome planet!

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                Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Indeed!
                The Creator is an amazing Artist!

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    TLMinutposted 15 years ago

    quote: Why some have daggers for S/Paul is weird. Only two so far in these forums do.
    
    Lots of people have a problem with Paul because of how what he taught is so different from what Jesus taught. Plus he was amazingly arrogant and conceited - makes it difficult to believe he's legit. I do think he is but  I don't believe we're supposed to take his teachings over I AM and Jesus.

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       Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What's "different" between what he taught and what Jesus taught?

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       Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       okay, make that three then.
       I really do not see the relevant comparison between Y`shua & Saul.
       Wouldn't be better to compare Peter or James to Paul -his own peers?
       
       Besides, the deepest point of all Pauline text:
       That I would only know Christ and Him crucified.
       
       Is that arrogance? I think not.
       
       Paul to the last letter, never considered himself worthy to be a believer -in spite of all he had seen, done and was gifted with.
       Yet, it still does not matter what Paul said, or Peter or John. What matters is each believer living IN Grace, not preconceived notions of faith or grace by their perception, but by Grace's perception Himself.

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       Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I would  say that I do not have a problem with Paul himself. I have my doubts as to the intentions of the Church when their perception of him was written into the scriptures.
       
          When the disciples spoke of the scriptures being the inspired word, they were not considering their words as being scripture?   Then many years later mankind has chosen to consider their letters to each other to be the word of God.
       
         This I have a problem with,  especially when some of their words seem to contradict those words that is said to have come out of the mouth of Christ.
          Seems a bit self defeating.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Again about contradictions.
          What contradictions are you meaning?

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             Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I am so sorry. I just now saw this post.
             
               I do not see contradictions in the scripture themselves, But in the way they are yet "INTERPRETED"
             
                And yea This is always about the prophesy concerning second coming, Rapture, etc. For to miss understand these causes the meaning of other scripture to be misunderstood.
             
                The prophesy was given to us because they are important.

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          paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend Jerami
          
          You are very right there. It is factual.
          
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          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             All too often people read what I write and perceive something that I did not intend.
             
                The same thing happens when we read these letters that the disciples wrote.
             
               Perception is a tricky thing.

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                paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Hi friend Jerami
                
                They were not revealed to Jesus by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; and hence their being tricky or deceitful is understandable.
                
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                SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                
                
                The carnal man cannot understand or even know the spiritual man. Those who try to understand scruipture in the flesh will always fail to find the truth.
                
                Spiritual things must be percieved only by the spirit. Jesus told the disciples that He would ask the Father to send the Comforter who will guide you in all truth.
                
                It is also written that the scriptures are not of "private interpretation." They must be rightly divided, which means, understood in righteousness. We cannot be righteous unless we are made righteous by God Himself.
                
                Sidenote: Too many try to find God on their own like they are hunting a rabbit for dinner. God cannot be found unless He first reveals Himself. He revealed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ.
                
                Isn't it amazing how God doesn't just speak words like men do. When He speaks, He reveals. 

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    how is perspective of an event contradiction?
    so luke and the scribes who traveled with Paul, wrote the events a little different from those who traveled with Peter or John.
    
    The silliness is defining these historical accounts both 'old testament' or 'new' as verbatim words that somehow invoke the Spirits power.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

    I find no contradictions in the Bible, New or Old Testament.
    Any confusion can be chalked up to human lack of perception, and cleared up by Spiritual perception.   Simple Faith is the bottom line, and it works.

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       paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Brenda Durham
       
       There are contradictions even within the the New Testament; then it should be compared with the Old Testament; when its own contradictions are removed.
       
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       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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