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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is true because God says so in the bible.
There we have the basis of all religion. Reliance on circular logic.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unbeknownst to yourself, earnest, you have said the Truth. ..At least, that is the basis of all Christian religion.
  Genesis 1:1 is written as a statement of fact, and it is a statement of fact.
  Those who believe it are those with Faith.
  Those who balk at it are those like you who throw the Faith away.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not unknown to me, the circular logic of your statement went over your head I think!
  
  I believe such blindness is a delusional aspect of religiosity.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I'm sure you do, earnest.

Tell me, what were you given in exchange for your soul?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You must have confused me with someone who believes in worshipping a delusion!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I see.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I wonder if you do see Brenda.
My soul is part of my psych with it's own archetypes, I have no need to project my soul on other archetypes.
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Michael Adams1959posted 15 years ago
All I know if I am worshipping a delusion it's the best delusion I have EVER had!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And the Amen corner said
  AMEN!
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
ps, just wanted to thank all the 'believers' and 'former believers' for completely indulging their agenda and ignoring this request. Might.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/32501?p … ost1052065
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  .........
  The Answer is here James. John 3: 5--12:
  
  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
  
  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
  
  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
  
  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
  
  Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
  
  Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
  
  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
  
  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
To Him Who sits
on the throne
and unto the Lamb
be blessing and glory
and honor and power
Forever!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
We believe in God the Father
We believe in Christ the Son
We believe in the Holy Spirit
We are the Church and we stand as one.

Holy, Holy , Holy is our God
Worthy, worthy, worthy is our King
All glory and honor are His to receive
To Jesus we sing....
because we believe

We believe in the Holy Bible
We believe in the virgin birth
We believe in the resurrection
That Christ one day will return to earth

We believe in the blood of Jesus
We believe in eternal life
We believe in His blood that frees us
To become the bride of Christ

Holy, Holy, Holy is our God
Worthy, worthy, worthy is our King
All glory and honor are His to receive
To Jesus we sing....
Because We Believe!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
1Peter 4: 12-14:

"Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you;

But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you; on their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified."
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Ah, but, Father, apparently they DO know what they do!?

I pray as always that You continue to draw them to You, but I must abide by Your decision.

If there are any to pull out of the fire, use Your vessels here to do so if You wish; but if You have given them over to reprobate minds, who are we to argue with that? Thy will be done. In the name most Holy, Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Apparently if you add all of the people together that god is said to have killed in the bible, it comes to over 33 million.
I wonder how that compares with the quoran?

God the amateur engineer.

Apparently he made a few million "B" grade products!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cookie cutter preachers.......ya'll are hiss-terical.
  preach on, brother, preach on! Give `em that old time religion.
  can you get a witness?!
  beat that pulpit, stomp that foot! Amen brother, Amen!
  -how much did that cost me in euro?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No harm no foul ... They were doina die anyway.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Ah, you two!
It costs you nothing but perhaps your pride! A broken, contrite spirit is what's required.
Because He paid the price long ago!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Gimme that ol' time religion

It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
and it's good enough for me!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Let's go down and flog some homosexuals
flog some homosexuals
flog some homosexuals

Let's go down and flog some homosexuals
'til we make them straight
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Our spiritual lives are eternal. God references harvesting from the earth quite often. When we are harvested, does it really matter how or when?

Compaired to life eternal, this life on earth is but a wisper in a whirlwind.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. — Denis Diderot
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
Jerami

I have followed this Hub every day or so since I posted on it, and I must say I am impressed with the skill your God has given you in being able to word things the way you do. In my opinion it shows wisdom, and a lot of patience. I have just read your profile and have found that although I have a few years on you...we have some things in common, and thanks to you I am now ready to post one of my own. Now having said that...none of what I am about to post is directed at you.

The number of Christians that you see here that are posting things that oppose homosexuality are hardly a good representation of the total number of Christians. The saying has been said that one should not judge another until they have walked a mile in their shoes.

So given that...I have some questions for some of you. Have you ever taken the time to think about what a person goes through being born with things that are deemed so out the normal? How about questions such as what is wrong with me? Am I gay or what? What am I supposed to do? Why do I feel like this? What is happening? And on and on and on for years, and you think that suddenly because some Christian comes along and tells them that what they are doing is wrong...that you are going to help them? Well how is your track record? Any success? And I am not interested in if I help just one it is worth it. Been there done that.

Some of you have no idea what a person like that goes through to get to the place where they can feel good about themselves. And I would be willing to believe that some of you have not reached the place where you can feel good about yourselves.

At the age of twelve I realized that I was not what you would call normal. I am a 25 year Christian. I have been spiritually physically healed numerous times. But guess what? Christ did not remove the one thing I wanted most to be removed. And quite frankly (had he) I would have been ever so proud and would be joining some here attempting to straighten others out.

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Why do we need to go and learn what this means could it be because we are a messed up world ? Could it be because none of us is perfect?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aint that the truth!!
  The one thing that I might add; ....
  
  When looking at a "SINNER" we should allways think ...
  "But for the grace of God... There I go"
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He may not have removed that "thorn in the flesh", but He did (or will, if you let Him) give you the strength and self-control to not ACT upon your temptations. Do you deny His power?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow. Did you go back to your first husband and deny the temptation of ongoing adultery?
  
  Well done Brenda. His Power Must Be Strong In You.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. — Samuel Clemens
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
Some how my post above got posted on this hub...I do not know how that happened. Please feel free to remove it as I am posting it on the hub I thought it was being posted on. Sorry about this.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Gee Mark, thanks so much. Apparently you missed me. That's nice!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never even noticed you were gone. Did you get banned again?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, of course not. Why would I get banned? Matter of fact, I've never posted anything worthy of banning. But you know that.
  
  Nah, my internet connection is sometimes iffy. Didn't you read my first post today? I thought you never missed anything I write! (ya know, seein' as how we agree on everything and all; we're two peas in a pod, two birds of a feather, etc., all those old cliches!)
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry - my mistake. I thought you had been banned before.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed I was banned before. I said I've never posted anything worthy of being banned. Difference there, ya know.
  Are you pretending to be confused today?
  
  How many times have you been banned? Let's compare notes.
  Me---2 times.
  You--??
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never said anything worthy of being banned either. I do get a lot of complaints against me though. I even got banned for calling someone "sweetie pie," which I had always thought of as a term of affection.
  
  Just goes to show - some people always reject your love.....
  
  Oh - and the Internet connection thing? God telling you to stop embarrassing Him. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Think so?
  hmmm....I think it's more the Devil tryin' to stop me. He IS the prince of the power of the air, ya know. Or maybe you dunno. I guess you don't believe in stuff like that, huh?
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
Ya right Brenda...Go figure...Just like the apostle Paul denied Jesus the power to remove the thorn in his flesh.
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
Yes Jerami...

You are correct...That is a welcomed addition.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Da deble dunnit!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ha
  Sometimes.
  And sometimes his children do the dirty deeds.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
The Lighthouse

There's a lighthouse on a hillside
That overlooks life's sea
When I'm tossed about, it sends out
A light that I might see
And the light that shines in darkness now
Will safely lead me thru the night
If it wasn't for The Lighthouse
My ship would sail no more.

cho: And I thank God for The Lighthouse
I owe my life to Him
For Jesus is The Lighthouse
And from the rocks I've seen
He has shown a light all around me
That I might clearly see
If it wasn't for The Lighthouse
Tell me where would this ship be.

Ev'rybody that lives about me
They said tear that lighthouse down
'Cause the big ships they don't sail this way anymore
There's no use of it standing 'round
Then my mind goes back to that stormy night
When just in time, I saw that light
Yes that light from that old lighthouse
That stands up there on the hill.

cho:

He has shown a light all around me
That I could clearly see
If it wasn't for The Lighthouse
Tell me where would this ship be.
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
I'm just curious as to why a person who says he is atheist or non-christian would enter a forum marked christian discussion to begin with, since it would seem that it is clearly not for anyone who doesn't share that belief. Unless that person was willing to listen and accept that belief. Or is there another reason why non-christians or atheists would enter that forum.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some people just want to mock or attack, some want to debate, some want to convince Christians there is no God, and a myriad of other reasons. But the basic truth is that everyone, Christian or atheist or whatever, is like a moth drawn to the flame of Christ's Name. Love Him or hate Him, everyone is drawn toward His Name at some point in their lives; that's what His promise was when He headed for the Cross. I wrote a poem about it once, but it's no longer printed here.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like that answer. I started to answer that question but it was too difficult for me to express what I was thinking.
  
  That attempted comment kept growing in every direction.
  
  You said it best.
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
Well Brenda maybe you should reprint that poem, it sounds like it would be very inspiring. I'm glad you wanted to start a forum like this I just hope it can keep going with all positive discussion, as I could see it was already getting questionable reactions. But that can be turned around. I believe God wants us to be happy and to have interaction with others who believe the same way we do. Because it helps to edify us and our faith.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And yet it is always good to hear different beliefs than just our own. I think that we should keep expanding our minds, Maturing in our faith.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just now reprinted it in a hub. Dunno if it'll be flagged or what, but it's the same poem as before.
  
  Yes, God does want us to fellowship with other Christians; thanks for that reminder. ...It's just hard sometimes because there's so much division amongst people about what Christianity even is.
  
  Nice to meet you!
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
I just read you poem, Moths to a Flame. Left you a comment as well. Thanks again for the chance to read it. Beautiful.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome. Thanks for coming in. Hope you'll share whatever's on your heart or mind anytime.
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
about this statement you made,

...It's just hard sometimes because there's so much division amongst people about what Christianity even is.

I was just wondering what are you thoughts, myself I grew up in a baptist church, and in a pentecostal church, just wondering about you, any denomination in particular, I'm not really inclined to one denomination anymore more of a general christian I guess you would say.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some people only see the religion that gets labeled Christianity, and so anyone who believes in Jesus can claim to be a Christian, but are they born-again? Anyone can go to a "Christian" church and practice the religion and yet not be saved. And different denominations and different Churches are lightyears apart in some doctrinal ways.
  And there's controversy over what a Christian will and will not do too, how they will behave and what they refrain from doing, etc..
  
  I grew up in a Separate Baptist Church that believed in being born-again, practiced communion, water baptism as a follow-up to salvation, and foot washing ceremonies; and they refused the doctrine of eternal salvation...(in other words, they believed, as I still do, that a born-again person can backslide, willfully deny Christ, and lose their soul.)
  I've visited Pentecostal Churches in my youth and adult life, and non-denominational churches, a Quaker-based Church once, and it's odd how different the "feel" of churches can be, as well as the activities and ways of worship. A lot of that has to do with the Church leadership; a pastor's focus or personality can make all the difference in how worship services go.
  
  I still "claim" the denomination of Separate Baptist, I guess.
  But it's not my focus. The most important thing to me is to be simply a follower of Christ. ...kinda like you, since you said a "general" Christian? But you don't believe in being born again, do you?
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
Oh yes I believe in being born again, and like you I believe a person can backslide. Since seeing mostly, Baptist and Pentecostal practices, both very similar in some respects and very different in others, in both instances I have known some phenomonal people who truly try to lead a life for Christ.

I however since I have grown, feel that there is not one denomination or another that is best. Like I don't think when we all "get to heaven" that there will only be Baptists or only Pentecostals, or fill in the blank. I think there will just be Christians, that even though their beliefs may be different they are all fundamentally Christian.

If that makes any sense. The church seemed to put a lot of ceremony into being saved. But I don't think thats it at all. I think being saved is in you heart. And it shows in your actions. There will be people there who are very meek and passive, like the Amish, as well as people who are very passionate as well.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that! As long as the fundamentals are maintained.
  One of my life-long "best" friends is a Pentecostal. I see her as just a Christian. Amen.
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
I don't always understand some denominations, and wonder sometimes about them, but it try not to judge. Like, Catholicism, and Mormons, Even Seventh Day Adventists, seems a little odd to me. But then again I was not raised that way so I just feel we have a different way of looking at things. Different interpretations of the same thing basically. Sometimes I think it is because it serves what they/we want. But who am I to judge. Judge not lest ye be judged. The only thing that really baffles me is atheists. Because sometimes I wonder how a person can deny the very existance of God, with so much I can feel way down deep in my soul. Do you believe blasphemy is an unforgiveable sin. I mean atheists do that all the time. Scary. I almost expect lightening to strike them dead. (insert nervous chuckle here) But perhaps I am wrong in my thinking here.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't define the unforgiveable sin....
  
  But I will say that I know how you feel.
  I have family members who were raised the same way I was, and yet they claim to be atheists. The Bible says unbelief is a sin! And I believe a person can quench the Spirit often enough that their hearts become so hard that God stops striving with them; and then they lose sight of the way back to Him....it becomes a decision they have no desire to ever make, and they could become hopelessly lost. It is said that it's often harder for a "good" person who maybe never did anything majorly wrong, to get saved, than for a person who's been in deep sinful activities and had to cry out to the Lord in despair.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In answer to your previous question.
  
  Basically we atheists hate hypocrisy and many of us feel the Christian religion is a disgusting, hate mongering abomination that holds us back from developing, both as a species and individually.
  
  I mean - anyone who thinks they do not judge but does not understand why other people could possibly disagree with what they think and does not think this is judging is suffering from some strong mental delusions.
  
  Or do you feel that this is not a valid viewpoint and a "Christian discussion" should not include this viewpoint? Us atheists should shut the hell up and go talk to other atheists and leave you loving Christians alone to spread the word of god in peace? Because you would never ever consider sharing it with any one other than another Christian. Even though you all believe a different version of The Nonsense.
  
  I hope that answers your question.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
I read in another thread that Brenda had converted to Universalism.

Maybe it's just a rumor.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See now there you are Ron---told ya you were just avoiding the Flame earlier!
  And you should stop starting false rumors. God'll get you for that, if I don't get ya first! ha
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My "flame" is waiting for me in the other room. I'm going to join her.
  
  Sleep well. May you have sweet dreams of heathens getting their due.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I'll dream about you getting born again, Ron.
  That would be awesome.
  
  Good night; sleep well.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Once was traumatic enough. I'm at ease with the probability that my death will cause the fattening of some worms and not much else.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that how you'd want your kids or anyone that you love to think of it?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do I want my loved ones to accept evidence-based reality?
  
  Sure.
  
  And actually my wish is to have my body ground into cat food so that it won't be wasted. That will probably be the last of my life's contributions.
  
  If I'm wrong and I do actually meet the Christian God after my death, he better protect his groin from my knee. He's done some awful things to my fellow humans over the years.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alright then, that's your choice, to dash any hopes in them of their souls being saved. Way ta go Ron.
  And fyi there is much evidence of God's existence. You just keep wearin' those dark glasses so you won't see it.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmm..
  Your knee will be on the ground my friend.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Only if God is napping.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you better make sure Jesus comes back on a Sunday! LOL
  
  Actually, Ron, I think God sleeps with one eye open
  .....you can't get past Him that easy.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Diane----good night; been good talkin' to you! Hope to talk again soon!
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Diane Insideposted 15 years ago
I'm afraid I have to go as well been great corresponding and enlightening as well. Maybe I'll dream Ron get saved as well. You know what they say when two or more get together in the name of the Lord.
Good night.
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
When Christians come on to Homosexuals etc. like has happened here they cause a lot of pain in that individual...and that is why there are people striking back. It is just another one of the laws of the universe.

One of my life's lessons has been no pain no gain. along with what goes around comes around. I often attempt to point to things that that can come back and bite you. Yes as a Christian God can see you through that, but that does not mean it will be easy. In fact it can be very painful.

I sincerely hope that your God Bless's you Brenda...
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Judge not that we be not judged !!
I am not going to judge anyone cause the bible says that would be a sin, ...but... that person over there is going to hell ...???
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Brie Hoffman's hub can explain it very well for you Jerami, if you're willing to listen.
Sorry I don't remember how to get the link onto this thread, but the hub is (as fitting) Judge Not Lest You Be Judged.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sugesting I read this HUB.
  Good read !
  There seems to be a very thin line created in these scripture between Judging a sinner who flaunts their sin and a believer sinning by casting a stumbling block before another believer.
  
  I would think that upon this thin line it says to take ourselves out of the equation and giving the person over to Satan and let God deal with saving their soul.
  
  I hope we all know the difference between constructive criticism and destructive? I guess we each must recognize what is truly in our heart When ever we do whatever that we do.
  
  Cause we have all been given over??
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No...I'm not sure what you mean...
  I don't think we've all "been given over"...
  We retain free will until we die; that's what I believe. Some people's hearts do get so hardened that they seem to be, or may be, hopeless, but only God and/or they know when that is.
  
  But like you said, we can sometimes discern their status by their behavior at some given time. Flaunting outright rebellion and blasphemy....yeah that's usually obvious, and it's both saddening and anger-inciting.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
And I see a couple wings got singed by the Flame last night. ha
For one, I bet Mark is still fighting the drawing of the Spirit. He is stubborn for sure....
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought Mark made some comments that deserve a second look at. I wonder what it is that the Christians he has encountered have done, that have caused him to think the way he does about us?
  
  Seems to me he is fighting against those kind of Christians...and I really wonder if one were not able to hide behind a keyboard...what would really happen.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They shaved his head.
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well...God only made so many perfect heads...The rest he had to cover.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If Jesus is the true god, then what is God?
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A deity.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Almost everyone has had a few (or a lot) of bad experiences with Christians or fellow Christians or whatever.
  
  ....When I grew up, I knew of people who used the fact that a local preacher smoked cigarettes as an excuse to not get saved; they said he was a hypocrite so they refused to go to church.
  Thing is, they could've gone to some other church, or else they could've (lo and behold!) actually sought the face of the Lord themselves instead of using the preacher's habit as an excuse.
  They really didn't care what the preacher did; they were just running from God.
  
  That's how I see Mark's case.
  Comes a time when we have to stop accusing others of keeping us from God and take responsibility for our own decisions.
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Basically we atheists hate hypocrisy and many of us feel the "Christian religion is a disgusting, hate mongering abomination' that holds us back from developing, both as a species and individually.
  
  Seems to me the above is a little more than an excuse it contains some pretty strong language that is beyond and above what smoking is. Both anger and hate come to mind.
  
  1 Corinthians 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
  8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
  
  If I read it correctly It he hates the Christian Religion. Seems that the love you claim to show could not have produced that kind of a reaction... because Love never fails, and attempts at white washing won't change that.
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
2 Corinthians 4:11
For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Trinity.
Father,
Son,
Holy Ghost.

God=Creator, Almighty, Alpha, Omega
Jesus=Son of God, manifestation of God in the flesh, God
Holy Ghost=Spirit of God, therefore Spirit of Christ, God

Three-in-One
Distinct but inseparable.
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I knew that...Colossians 2: 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And OH...What version of the Bible contains the word Trinity?
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I have no clue what you mean, Bearded Lady.
Your post is confusing....
Are you blaming Christians for Mark's hatred for Christians?
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No...but it looks like the actions of some may have contributed to the hatred.
  I have never heard of someone hating some one for no reason. Something has caused it to happen.
  
  But one thing I believe...is that the kind of Love that never fails...did not cause it.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate anybody. I love/hate christians as much as I do any other group of people that purposely divide themselves from the rest of us - except perhaps football fans. Not fond of large groups of football fans (soccer).
  
  I do hate their hypocritical belief system, because it is guaranteed to cause conflict. As Brenda sez - Her God is the God of War, and will often instigate wars, famin, pestilence, etc, to get what He wants. This is a type of "love" I have never been able to grasp. The tough "this is going to hurt Me more than it hurts you," sort of love.
  
  That is the way to do it - right? The same wot god sez. Love the christian - hate the christianity?
  
  I love christians in direct proportion to the way they tell me their god loves me and show it in exactly the same way. Just like they ask me to.
  
  Do unto others.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
This represents the Savior who died for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBAhvI0T … r_embedded
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
And this represents the soldiers who've died for your freedom; so don't even tell me America wasn't based on Godly principles of His sacrifice and Love.

..................

Marine Stuns a Tea Party with the Second Verse of the Star Spangled Banner:

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewke … fdf96d723e
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Having a bad day are we Brenda?
  
  Happy 4th of July.
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Randy Godwinposted 15 years ago
The Tea Party group probably thought Francis Scott Key had some special insight into how God wanted America to act. Not true of course!
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CYBERSUPEposted 15 years ago
Hi Brenda,
I believe that Jesus Christ died to save me from my sins and I do believe that there is life after death. I am a christian and proud to display it, By Example!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amen CYBERSUPE! Praise the Lord!
  Hope you're having an awesome 4th of July, as I am!
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Bearded Ladyposted 15 years ago
Mark...

Your post above in response to my post is very well written, very mature post with a lot of truth in it.

When one loves the Christian yet hates the Christianity as expressed by you, demonstrates to me that you obtain the knowledge required to become born again if you so wish. For me that is enough, and any attempts at pounding the same stuff into you over and over, will only push you farther away (if that is possible.)

Thanks for responding.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's true of anyone. You can't force someone to believe in something.
  
  For facts and figures, you can convince someone by logic - but that can't be used in religion. Christians can only explain their viewpoint and provide a living example of their beliefs.
  
  Intolerant, bigoted Christians who spew hate are not living a Christian life in the spirit of Jesus. I sometimes think some evangelical Christians should invent a new religion which excludes the New Testament, because they persist in quoting the Old Testament to justify their views whilst ignoring all the changes Jesus made to the Old Testament "eye for an eye" viewpoint.
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  Bearded Ladyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good point Marisa...In fact some see that as a sin.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Artist: Chris Rice
Song: Untitled Hymn (Come To Jesus)

Lyrics:

Weak and wounded sinner
Lost and left to die
O, raise your head, for love is passing by
Come to Jesus
Come to Jesus
Come to Jesus and live!

Now your burden's lifted
And carried far away
And precious blood has washed away the stain, so
Sing to Jesus
Sing to Jesus
Sing to Jesus and live!

And like a newborn baby
Don't be afraid to crawl
And remember when you walk
Sometimes we fall...so
Fall on Jesus
Fall on Jesus
Fall on Jesus and live!

Sometimes the way is lonely
And steep and filled with pain
So if your sky is dark and pours the rain, then
Cry to Jesus
Cry to Jesus
Cry to Jesus and live!

O, and when the love spills over
And music fills the night
And when you can't contain your joy inside, then
Dance for Jesus
Dance for Jesus
Dance for Jesus and live!

And with your final heartbeat
Kiss the world goodbye
Then go in peace, and laugh on Glory's side, and
Fly to Jesus
Fly to Jesus
Fly to Jesus and live!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or la la la la la la la la la la la la Now I can't hear you Mark!
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rebekahELLEposted 15 years ago
here's my contribution, a beautiful hub written by winsome,
we miss a lot by labeling each other.

http://hubpages.com/hub/What-if-God-Was-One-of-Us
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I remember that song. I forget who sang it, but it was pretty popular on the radio.
  
  The thing is........
  God WAS "one of us" in the form of Jesus, a manifestation who came to live on this earth long ago. You probably know the story.
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/32501?p … ost1052065
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Twenty One Days,
  
  I've answered that before, but you weren't satisfied with it, so there's no use me re-iterating it.
  
  But I will answer it about THE Anointed One (Jesus).
  
  He was Loving, Compassionate, Meek at times, He refrained from Judgement at times, He healed the sick and opened blinded eyes, He avoided the Roman soldiers at times and for His own purposes, He was Powerful but didn't admit to being God.
  
  On the other hand, He was Judgemental, Rebellious (in the eyes of the authorities), Radical, He Boldly spoke against sin and sinners, He allowed the Roman soldiers to capture Him, He was Powerful and DID admit to being God.
  
  The "anointing" was evidenced in all those things, (and more), some of which are often called contradictory by unbelievers, but which are actually evidence of His discernment and Godliness.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda, again, you repeat yourself but not answer the questions. I am fully aware of who HE is and what HE does. But that was not my question at all. I am also fully aware of what the anointing is. Was also not my question.
  
  BTW, you sounded very Jewish with this saying: "On the other hand".
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ((chuckles)) on the "Jewish" reference....
  
  ??
  I don't get it. I didn't know that was a Jewish saying.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
This is an awesome praise song. I couldn't seem to catch a link to the actual video(s), but they're totally worth checking out on youtube or tangle.

Revelation Song

Worthy is the, Lamb who was slain
Holy, Holy, is He
Sing a new song, to him who sits on
Heaven's mercy seat
[2X]

Holy, Holy, Holy
Is the Lord God Almighty
Who was, and is, and is to come
With all creation I sing
Praise to the King of Kings
You are my everything
And I will adore You

Clothed in rainbows, of living color
Flashes of lightning, rolls of thunder
Blessing and honor, strength and glory and power be
to You the only wise King

Holy, Holy, Holy
Is the Lord God Almighty
Who was, and is, and is to come
With all creation I sing
Praise to the King of Kings
You are my everything
And I will adore You

Filled with wonder, awestruck wonder
At the mention of your name
Jesus your name is power
Breath, and living water
Such a marvelous mystery
Yeah...

Holy, Holy, Holy
Is the Lord God Almighty
Who was, and is, and is to come, yeah
With all creation I sing
Praise to the King of Kings
You are my everything
And I will adore You
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