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Will the lower creatures, that is other animals, go to heaven or hell

  1. davidkaluge profile image72
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    It seems we often ignore the other creatures when we talk about heaven and hell. We know that some Animals were saved from Noah's flood. Then will the animals die and be forgotten or will they go to heaven or hell depending on how they spent their live. We know that most Animals marry more than a wife and it seems right in the animal world. Therefore, it becomes difficult for us to determine how the animals will be judged on the last day, if they will ever stand judgement.

    1. mischeviousme profile image60
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Do you wish for such a thing? Would they even be animals in heaven or like us, without form? That is to say, if heaven exists outside of the individual mind.

    2. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Though this is all obviously speculation on my part, my view is that animals are living beings meaning they do pass on spiritually, but do not have free will so I don't believe they're routed one way or the other based on actions.

      God does seem to hold them accountable in some aspects, like in Genesis 9 when He's establishing his covenant with Noah ....

      Gen 9:4-6 - “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

      “Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind."

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        Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Eh...I was just teasing about spiders and snakes goin' to hell.
        Are you guys serious about thinking animals have accountability for their actions so that they go to either heaven or hell??    Actually, thanks for the verses in Genesis, it has led me to consider the meaning of those verses.  I'm...pretty sure they don't mean that animals are held to accountability....what version of the Bible did you use?....

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      logic,commonsenseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Who says 'they' are the lower creatures?

      1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
        HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        The food chain and our total dominance of the entire inhabitable planet. Though our rank on the food chain definitely drops a few pegs once we leave the land, which is why I don't take cruises.

        1. LewSethics profile image60
          LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We're only on top of the food chain if we stay in the city.  People in the wild get killed all the time by the animals that live there.
          Insects outnumber us about a billion to one, and they live in every habitat.

          1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
            HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Humans have been at the top of the food chain since before cities existed. Yes, the world is a dangerous place, but we still dominate it. Until we're in a planet of the apes type scenario, that will remain true.

            1. mischeviousme profile image60
              mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Molds and flies, they are at the top of the food chain.

    4. Gaizy profile image89
      Gaizyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Heaven, or Hell? - Or Fairyland?, or Narnia?  - because there is the same (lack of) evidence that any of these places exist - I can't believe that any of you are discussing this like it's real.

      1. Jerami profile image74
        Jeramiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        We have NO evidence that .999999999999999 of a per cent of that which is in the universe exists.

           If we were able to cause ALL of those things to "Not" exist ; that we have no evidence of ...   I'm pretty sure that would cause our non-existence!

        1. Gaizy profile image89
          Gaizyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          So that means that there is even LESS evidence any of them exist. At least I can see, feel and experience what is around me here and now - Not the case with Heaven or Narnia.

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            Gusserposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            That which is flesh, is flesh. That which is spirit , is spirit.

            1. Gaizy profile image89
              Gaizyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              That which is nonsense, is nonsense.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this


                +1

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                Gusserposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                That which is your opinion, is your opinion.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  That which is your irrational belief, is your irrational belief.

                  This could go on and on but the bottom line is whether or not you can show your irrational belief is anything but...

                  1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                    HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I think this thread is proof this can go on and on. Ditto, A Troubled Man. The bottom line is whether or not you can show your irrational belief is anything but...

                    Everything in existence today, everything we study scientifically, every physical element this physical world is made of, can be found elsewhere in some form in the universe.

                    But we can't tie human consciousness to anything physical. We can't attribute it to any matter or particle or element. We can see physical reactions in the brain. We can trace oxygenated blood and see what regions 'light up' based on stimuli. But there's no one area that 'lights up' that ties these various regions together. That drives the will. Genesis says that God said life is in the blood. Blood happens to be the one and only 'connecting' element between the various regions of the brain that work together to perform a task.

                    To me, your belief is irrational because nothing that even remotely resembles human consciousness can be found elsewhere. And we can't explain how it just came about naturally. There must be a source. A source we just can't detect.

                    You keep calling people's ability to think into question because you don't agree with their beliefs, though you can't disprove them. And you can't prove yours. You just have faith your belief is right and ours is wrong. So, how does your ability to think make yours more right than ours?

          2. Jerami profile image74
            Jeramiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Regardless of what it is that you believe; can you prove beyond any doubt that you believe you can feel these things?

              Maybe sometimes  but not always.

    5. LewSethics profile image60
      LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on if they are good or bad. 
      Rin Tin Tin, Scout (Tonto's horse), Silver (LR's horse), Lassie, all go to heaven.
      Cujo, piranas, great white sharks, anopheles mosquitos, fleas, all go to the hot and heavy.
      Animals that get dressed in cute clothes are already in hell so they get reincarnated as second rate actors, like Jim Carey and Nicolas Cage.

    6. wilmiers77 profile image60
      wilmiers77posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      God put humans in charge of the animals. God does not hold them responsible to his commandments. We say that animal souls return to Earth, for they do not seek God. We know that a few horses alone with a few others is in heaven from the biblical text of Revelations. These are for God's purpose. Yes, God have pets.

  2. Alastar Packer profile image81
    Alastar Packerposted 5 years ago

    How in the name of any kind of sanity or reason could one believe animals would go to hell-fire? To believe or even consider such a thing is an affront to any kind of Creator, Creation, or God. Why in the name of heaven would an all powerful and unfathomable loving deity create creatures with the built in physiology & chemicals they have and then send them to eternal hell-fire for following their biological demands and functions. And yes, humans can sometimes over come their more negative traits in this area but the same could be said for us as well.smile



    Btw, in 1968 thousands of people saw a Marien(Virgin Mary)Apparition on top of a Christian Coptic church in Egypt for some time; and doves and a donkey were seen along with the supposed Mary. If the apparitions truly came from God then one could say with confidence the lower beasts really do go to heaven although there are other theories for the occurrence of course.( photos & videos of it can be found on the web.)

  3. seanorjohn profile image82
    seanorjohnposted 5 years ago

    Are you talking about Republicans or Democrats? Just asking.

  4. wilderness profile image94
    wildernessposted 5 years ago

    Stan Jones thought so...

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Spiders go to hell. I'm fairly sure of that.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      big_smile wink
      and snakes.

    2. Alastar Packer profile image81
      Alastar Packerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Scorpions too.

      1. mischeviousme profile image60
        mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Don't forget mosquitoes, flies and Hawaiians... Just kidding about the flies.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol...

    3. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      ^That's funny

  6. paradigmsearch profile image86
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/03/snarling20karly_6.jpg
    All dogs go to heaven. -Don Bluth

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      lol

  7. SopranoRocks profile image60
    SopranoRocksposted 5 years ago

    Sheep go to heaven. Goats go to hell.  Haha jk those are song lyrics.  I think there is an animal heaven/utopia where none are abused or neglected and it mixes with human heaven for extra love.  I like to think my father is with his best canine friend Spot for eternity.  Good question!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image27
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry All animal go to hell, unless you rush to your local church and convert them to be saved.

      If your animal or pet dose not agree, stop feeding them for a wail, they will come around to your ways soon and think you are Jesus

      1. SopranoRocks profile image60
        SopranoRocksposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Wow that's harsh.  You and I are two very different people. You have your opinion though and I will respect that.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I commend you on your kindness but that isn't an opinion. lol

          He's the class clown. If it's sarcastic, he'll surely cling to it.

          That's his safety net. smile

          But it's alright, sometimes he isn't so bad.

          cool

        2. Castlepaloma profile image27
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          SopranoRocks

          Do you mean we do not have the same sense of humor? lol

      2. LewSethics profile image60
        LewSethicsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        At least you don't have to circumcise the males anymore.

  8. Rain Defence profile image98
    Rain Defenceposted 5 years ago

    Animals don't have the luxury of believing in things like religion. They're more bothered by finding food to eat and stopping predators from eating them. They won't go to heaven or hell, they'll just die of old age if they're lucky, or by being killed if not.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image27
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I hope you you don't think I'm religion, only specking on behalf of the religious hopeless animals lover who treat their pets the same as their children

      1. SopranoRocks profile image60
        SopranoRocksposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Well I am one of those.  My pets are my children, as I am not really a kid person.  Guess  we can agree to disagree.  I am not religious but I like to think good people and all animals go to a better place, as so many are treated poorly in this world.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          No pun intended, just a kind question because I got a mixed impression...

          No religion? But still a better place?

          Apologies, I don't understand. The whole ideal came from religion didn't it? Life after death.. a better place etc. and so forth?

          Rewarded for poor treatment would go hand in hand with punishment for hateful and mean pain causing actions wouldn't it??

          Anyway, not attempting another subject, just confused on your perspective is all.

          cool

          1. SopranoRocks profile image60
            SopranoRocksposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            My beliefs are odd I know. and even hard to explain.  I was born Catholic and believe in God but not religion or the Bible.  I don't know what happens after we die but reincarnation or a utopia are nice thoughts smile

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Well lets hope you haven't completely ruled out the Bible, as I don't know many who know the entire book cover to cover and you seem SOOO smart.. serious. And apparently can't learn enough. ( you actually sound like me, an endless sponge, lol )

              But hey, we're all different right?

              Thx, was just curious.

              cool

              1. SopranoRocks profile image60
                SopranoRocksposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Np I don't mind the questions and yours are interesting.  No it's not that I ruled it out, because you are right I have not read it all.  I believe it is a great story based in history (and I love historical fiction).  But that is all it is.  I don't understand following it like it is the word of God, if that makes sense.  To me it is like basing my beliefs solely upon Grapes of Wrath -or- War and Peace.

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Lol, I know what you mean in part. Sometimes I read the OT and say God? That sounds kinda mean, I know I'm probably missing a detail, but help..? lol

                  Lots of times things correlate correctly, and I think for the record to have been preserved so well says a lot in general anyway.. I can say things make more sense sometimes with more text from the entirety, especially since the books aren't exactly chronological anyhow, and then the prophesy thing and translation ordeal..

                  Can't WAIT to learn Hebrew, Greek, and Araimic. big_smile

                  Just remember, you don't have to believe it to read it.

                  People say "it's soo barbaric!"..

                  I listened to someone say that and walked into their house with a bookshelf of nothing but murder stories.. lol

                  I don't judge though, you just have to take it for what it is first. A record.. Then once the connections start to show up, you can decide and tell everyone, nope, read it all.. still nothing.

                  Though I don't hear it much, lol, which if I'm honest makes me happy.

                  I have lots of faith, but I could ALWAYS use more, but I'm a slow reader. Might take me awhile, plus i end up studying to understand the cultural ways of the times and why this or that was said three paragraphs in anyway. smile

                  It is the world's best selling story after all.

                  cool

                  1. SopranoRocks profile image60
                    SopranoRocksposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I agree it is based in history and is a record of the times.  And it is a good story no doubt.  I also don't see any of it as barbaric as society today.  As you said, many people today love a good murder mystery or a great gore horror movie (me included). I am glad you have an open mind. I often get people thinking I am an atheist or something without even hearing me out.  I just like to have my faith and spirituality (which are two different things) where I see fit for myself.  We all have beliefs, mine are just mostly created as I go and not very conventional.  Nice speaking with you smile 
                    Haha so funny how far off topic many of the comments to this question have gone - many tangents. The discussions created here though are priceless, so props and kudos to davidkaluge for delving into an intriguing subject matter!

        2. Castlepaloma profile image27
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I hear often enough that :All Dogs go to Heaven:, maybe because they are the only one who can manage to love unconditional naturally and pure (God spelling it backwards is doG) Maybe most people go to hell because rarely we can love unconditional and run a stray to other gods

          I wonder every 7 years for a dog equals 1 human year, would 7 difference dogs show up to met with their same master in Heaven. Would each dog get jealousy of the other like how God get jealous of other Gods

  9. Disturbia profile image60
    Disturbiaposted 5 years ago

    They will go to the same place that we will all go, back to the earth.

  10. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
    HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years ago

    That translation comes from the NIV. That kind of throws me too, assuming animals don't have free will, but the way that reads to me basically means that anytime a human's blood is spilled, someone or something will be held accountable.

    1. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Animals are as free to do whatever they want and are only restricted by the environment and external influences around them, just like we are.

      1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
        HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Most of their behavior is instinctual. That's why countless individual animals of a given species behave just like all the other individuals in that species. There is an obvious delicate balance in the animal kingdom that free will would reek absolute havoc on. Like if individual cells in your body could decide on their own free will whether or not to adhere to what the body's DNA dictates. If that were the case then each cell could potentially become cancerous, endangering the organism as a whole. If animals truly had free will the world would be a much different place.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Do you anything to back that up because it all sounds like pure baloney?



          Highly doubtful.

          1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
            HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this



            Which part sounds like baloney? The delicate balance of the natural world or free will's potential affect on it?

            The will that drives each individual creature is not their own. They simply follow by instinct. They are conscious just as we are, they have quirks and personalities, but they do exactly as they were told by God to do during creation. They're fruitful and they multiply.

            A multitude of individual beings of varying species, all following God's will to be fruitful and multiply, living in close proximity, inevitably they intersect. They adapt and change to continue to exist and do as they were told. They develop defenses to protect themselves, physical traits that aid in hunting, all to do what God said. Life feeds on life.

            But they weren't given an individual will to be whatever they chose to be. They still live within the balance of nature. We're the ones that don't. We're the ones that leave waste and destroy to live. We're the ones that live in opposition to, and outside the will of, nature. God's will is born of his infinite wisdom in knowing exactly what they need. Our will is young and ignorant and while we have a lot of great ideas, we still ultimately prove to be very new to the game.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              All of it.



              lol Faith based 'goddunit' baloney.

              1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "Faith based 'goddunit' baloney."

                Faith based 'nothing-dunit' baloney. What's the difference? The difference is you've brought nothing new to the table and I've backed up my theories with both ancient documentation that dates back to the dawn of civilization and have shown how current scientific understanding does not conflict. What do you have to offer to convince me you're baloney is more rational or sound than mine?

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  lol

        2. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol..

          You trying to say they are robots?

          I don't know why I even consider some things....

          In that case YOU are a robot..

          I can do the robot dance.. wink but i aint one, and neither is my dog or the birds.

          You need to study more on systems before saying they can't operate within laws without differences from one another.. thats absurd.. lol

          cool

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Okay. Yeah the KJV reads different from the NIV.
      KJV says (verse 5):

      "And surely your blood of your lives will I require, at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man."

      and verse 6 goes on to explain--

      "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:  for in the image of God made he man."

      So...it's showing man's superiority over the animals.  We can use them for food, and we're allowed to kill them if they kill a person, just as we're allowed to kill murderers via capital punishment;  and especially it is humans who are made in the image of God, not animals.  It isn't saying that animals have free will nor will go to heaven or hell.

  11. Druid Dude profile image59
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    Don't drag them into strictly human concepts. There are animals in "heaven" as well as "hell" but they are not condemned or rewarded. It is natural for them to be there.

  12. davidkaluge profile image72
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    I think we have to ask, what goes to heaven or hell after death? That is since the physical body will decay. Secondly, some people believe in a new earth where man and animals will live together. Thirdly, some people claim that heaven is beauitful and have flowers, though we wonder how they know it. However, those that say it claim its by vision or whatever. Then if flowers are in heaven, it means animals can stand a chance. But did God create the animals to just live and die or kill us or cause disease.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      God told Adam to have dominion over the animals.  God wouldn't tell us to use animals for meat, etc., if they were slated to choose between heaven and hell.

      1. Druid Dude profile image59
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        They are a natural part of the content heaven, hell, here...anywhere.

        1. Druid Dude profile image59
          Druid Dudeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          "and God breathed life into his creation, and his creation became a living soul." If it lives, it has soul

          1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
            HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I believe that's true. If you look at the original Hebrew in Genesis 2:19, when God brings the animals to Adam to name them, the part that says "And whatever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof", in the original Hebrew 'living creature' is actually translated from 'nphsh chie' (or "living soul").

            http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInte … f/gen2.pdf

            But I don't think animals go to hell. Though my personal interpretation of hell is not how most see it anyway. I don't see it as a place of eternal pain and suffering. As far as I've seen, the only thing described as eternal in reference to hell was the fire itself. I think it more means that beings with free will who refuse to acknowledge God as the authority are simply removed from existence. Just as a cell that doesn't conform to the specified behavior mandated by DNA has to be removed so that it's cancerous tendencies don't spread. Without free will, animals would not be able to 'choose' to not acknowledge God as the ultimate authority.

            1. mischeviousme profile image60
              mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I see it as a natural cycle, even space/time is a part of nature. This all one thing, I'm just seeing the different interpretations of nature. That is what I have, I wear my own mirrored glasses.

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              Gusserposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              The term Soul does not imply eternal life. The soul is the body one inhabits. Soul & spirit are NOT the same.

              1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I have to say, the soul being the body is a new on me. Can you maybe explain that a bit more?

  13. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    I believe, and can see no alternative within my heart for I've actually prayed on understanding this before, that God who loves us as much as He doesn't wouldn't make them exist just to "disappear" just as He didn't make us to disappear.. It's just a simple parallel as God's nature is unchanging and consistent, meaning He loves the animals too.

    Not only that, but concerning animals and Hell.. Pah-leeezzeeee.. lol

    Jesus said two sparrows are sold for a penny and not one goes unnoticed before the Father...

    Paraphrased of course. smile

    That I think should be a case solver.


    cool

  14. aware profile image68
    awareposted 5 years ago

    those that refer to other life as lower wont be in my heaven

  15. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    Animals don't have free will????

    lol

    They are free as it gets.

    They run where they please.. eat what they please.. freely live where they please away from humanity (where we haven't destroyed or placed a city)

    They freely play when the please..

    Do EXACTLY whatever they want, WHENEVER they want, WHEREEVER they want... lol

    They certainly without doubt have free will, and I won't argue with anyone if they reply opposite to this post..

    But I will get a good laugh.. smile

    cool

  16. aware profile image68
    awareposted 5 years ago

    bees don't bother god ,nor do lions pray,   lower creatures are the only silence god gets. all are welcome i bet

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    It's all well and good to want animals in heaven, but let's be honest. They talk about heaven being a big city. If you let the animals in, who's going to clean up the poop?

    And if you let the animals in....where does it stop? Does that mean insects will be there too?  Would it really be heaven if you had to share it with mosquitos?

    And fish. Where would you put something like a whale shark?

    You people aren't thinking this one through.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image27
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      In dog heaven , dog poop just floats around with the people.

      Nobody or animal s**T stinks.

  18. Cara.R profile image77
    Cara.Rposted 5 years ago

    I was pondering the question and I wasn't sure if I should have answered in a humorous way or go in the lets pretend route. So I took the "Prudence" (Bones) route. No one knows for sure if there is a Heaven or a Hell. But if I were able to say for a 100% certainty that there were anything of the sort. There is no Hell and Heaven is not anything our brains could imagine. We are all made up of the same things. That is a fact. With that typed, everything on Earth turns into some other form of energy and "lives" in a new way that we can not fathom until we are dead.

  19. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    I believe in Heaven, and I believe I'll go there. I also believe that God will have whatever we need in Heaven to make us happy. For me, that would include a couple of horses, a cat or two, and lots of dogs - all creatures I loved during my earthly life.

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    Gusserposted 5 years ago

    Everyone dies for their sin.  The bible states " The soul that sinnith shall surely die. "

    1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Right, okay, I can see how you're looking at it I think. Unless I'm missing something, that only really means the soul is the body if you believe in eternal damnation, which I do not. I believe those who do not acknowledge God as the ultimate authority will simply be removed from existence. Here's part of why I think that ...

      Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

      Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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        Gusserposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Death is the grave only.  So the soul that sins----dies. All have sinned. All will die. The Spirit is a different matter.

  21. davidkaluge profile image72
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    You know man can be funny. We claim that God gave us dominion over the other creatures so that is why we use them as food. However, we forget that some of these creatures use us for food and in their world, they may claim God gave them the right to feast on us and they are right because they were made that why. Just as they were created with freewill, as we claim. But we need to go to the animal world to understand if they have freewill. I think some animals do have the choice to their action.

  22. Gaizy profile image89
    Gaizyposted 5 years ago

    Neither, they just decompose and recycle into the earth - as we all do.

  23. BobbiRant profile image61
    BobbiRantposted 5 years ago

    Well, I do not think even people go to heaven.  If one truly reads the Bible, it says we all have the same fate, humans and animals, all return to dust.  When we are dead we are dead, animals and humans.  When Jesus resurrected his friend, Lazarus, he didn't say: "He is in heaven."  Lazarus did not tell people about heaven.  Jesus said Lazarus was 'asleep in the grave."  Period! People do not become angels because the Bible explicitly tells us angels are not and never were, human, except those who tried human forms before the flood. But they are not able to take on human forms anymore, but then, those who did were rebellious angels or demons, not obedient ones. Good question though.

  24. Druid Dude profile image59
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    Heaven and hell are here and now. It all depends on personal perspective. It doesn't even count as opinion...this is more individual truth. That is why I said that animals exist in all three states. (There's that damn three again.) We exist in all three states at the same time. There is more to all the holy books than we have previously understood. Whatever is going on has been going on longer than we have been here. Simple as that.

  25. Disappearinghead profile image84
    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago

    When I was in school a teacher once said that if it wasn't for all those spiders, birds, and small furry animals eating insects, we'd be knee deep wading through them. Now if all those flies go to heaven, how deep an infestation would there be after several million years? hmm so in answer to the question, I think not.

    1. Druid Dude profile image59
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Same number here as there. We stand upon the earth, but we walk through heaven. Hell wasn't created , it is self created. Born in it? Geuss you been bad. Man is not the same as the animals...we have crimes to pay for. Don't worry, all dogs go to the heaven beyond, but all soul is mixed in the same bowl...and yet still separate.

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        Linkusblessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Animals in hell?  Are you serious?

        Hell is not a 'place', hell is a murderous, angry, vengeful, scheming, nasty obsessive mind and heart.  We've all 'been there' to varying degrees for varying periods of time. Hell can be a really bad mood.  We know what hell could be like. But hell is definitely not a 'place' out there-- full of the particular wild animals we personally don't like. Geebus.  Hell is a 'state' of being that transcends death.

        Animals (and babies) are the only truly, hell-devoid creatures on the planet. We create our own hells and we cast ourselves into hell through our thoughts, actions and feelings. 

        Animals are the only thing we've got to show us innocence and truth in action. Animals just do what they do, there is nothing inherent in them that predisposes them to entertaining evil or hellish thoughts.  Animals are neither 'good' or 'bad' they just are.   

        Hell is anywhere you want it to be, anytime you choose.  Or not.  But there are definitely no animals who inhabit the hells like we do.

        I'm sorry, but I can't believe anyone could seriously believe animals would or should 'go to' hell, that's absurd.

  26. davidkaluge profile image72
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    BobbiRant, were in the bible was it written that animal and man have same fate?

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    jomineposted 5 years ago

    So, do animals go to heaven?
    What about microbes, viruses and worms?

  28. SoManyPaths profile image60
    SoManyPathsposted 5 years ago

    interesting topic, animals eat living things to survive. While for humans to eat a living thing is an option. They have the brain and knowledge to choose.
    Some bugs eat living meat, (fleas and the like), so do insects also fall into the animal survival-to-eat waiver program?

    I always wondered with the recent NASA discoveries on possible life in another universe can that be a so-called heaven?

  29. Jonathan Janco profile image73
    Jonathan Jancoposted 5 years ago

    I would figure that considering human behavoir, quadripeds have a way better chance of going to heaven than you or I do.

  30. davidkaluge profile image72
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    Well, we know that not all animals eat flesh so we can't use that to judge them. They also have option as to what to eat and what not. I want to know where the bible said we have same fate as animals.

 
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