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   Sally's Troveposted 11 years ago

   I know this is a sad song, you've heard it before, but guess what? It's getting worse and worse and worse.
   
   Plus, some bug bit my left hand, it itches like crazy. I'm determined not to scratch (cortizone is near by, although I'd rather not).
   
   I'll suffer the itch on my hand like the itch on HP.
   
   Really, I didn't do anything to deserve either!
   
   Thanks for listening/reading. I feel better now.

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      rmcrayneposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Queen Helene Mint Julep Masque is great for burns, bites, inflammation.  Prevents infection.

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I love Queen Helene...I haven't been able to find it in my local stores, only online. I love the mint facial scrub. Didn't know about the masque. Wish I had some now to put this maddening itch to rest. I'm getting to the point where biting off the sucker might feel good.

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      AEvansposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Glad you feel better, I love reading your words.

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You are a dear.

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      moonlakeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Strange for such a drastic drop in views. I think that is really terrible and not knowing what to do about it is the worst. Your hubs are top notch so makes you wonder what their thinking.

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you for the good words, moonlake. They mean a lot to me.

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      Hauntyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I can relate, Sherri. My current traffic is pathetic, it's about 1/4 of what it used to be and it's going down down down...

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      Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      My daily views have dropped by around 20%. Traffic has generally been on the decline since the changes that eliminated "Topics" and "Hubbers".  Hubpages has a problem in that it seems they continue to institute change for the sake of change.  This site was much better functionally when I joined it two years ago than it is now. I don't think a new writer coming aboard today has much of a chance to get noticed at all.  This is the reason there seems to be a steady stream of good writers leaving the site, especially over the past year. WB

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Wayne, if your traffic has diminished by only 20 percent, while so many have seen an 80 percent decline, maybe you have some advice to offer.

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            Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            No...I don't. I have never really been a big traffic builder so I have no real idea. I suspect I am just on the tail-end of the dive and have not yet seen the real effect.  I just see the numbers dropping slightly lower with each day. Honestly, I do not think the site has good public appeal. It is built and continually changes more with the writer in mind. Unfortunately, they need to ask some of the writers before they make their changes. About a year ago, we had a pretty good site...it has deteriorated since then for the writer. I do not think that has been on purpose, it is just that they keep changing things to show that they cah change things...driving past the point of perfection serves no useful purpose. WB

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         gracenotesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Wayne, you have a good point here, about change, just for its own sake.
         
         Unfortunately, that's the American way.  New and improved, bigger, better.
         
         I used to be a medical research librarian, and there was one database provider called OVID that many students loved to use.  The fact that it ran about 2 months behind on currency, compared to the government-funded version of MEDLINE (PubMed), usually didn't bother researchers, unless it was crucial that they get the most up-to-date, breaking studies.
         
         This company, OVID, kept their user menus and interface stable for a long time.  I would say that there was a comfort factor that kept people returning to use it.
         
         And, in fact, this provider did not offer their product cheaply.  It was a very popular option for searching, and if it went away, the students howled in protest.

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            Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You make such a good point about how people use tools to perform work. Once you know how to use a hammer and chisel, you can create the sculpture of your imagination without the tool properties ever interfering with the creative process.
            
            Language is like that, too. Once you master language tools, they are only vehicles for expression. I guess driving a car is like that, too.
            
            OVID is another excellent example. Their interface was not only comfortable, it did not interfere with the work it enabled.
            
            What's happening on HP is that change is impacting the ability to perform productive work.
            
            Thanks for this insightful comment.

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               gracenotesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Sally's, I'm so glad that someone else has these sentiments about OVID!  Thanks.

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      klarawieckposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Left Hand Itching means you'll receive money. Right Hand Itching means you'll lose money. Throw away the cream!

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Awesome! I'll itch away, then. Never heard that one before. I haven't received any money yet, but I also haven't gone to my mailbox today.
         
         Update: Ever since the nail polish application, the itch has gone away and the "bite" is beginning to dry up/recede. However, the google irritation is still alive and well.

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   Cagsilposted 11 years ago

   Yeah, the traffic drop is significant for me as well. I was holding pretty much steady until the newest Google change screwed things up. Unfortunately, now I'm not sure how to proceed forward to get my traffic back.

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Glad I'm not the only one, but I already knew that. I'm not sure what to do either. Misery loves company, but I'm really sorry that you're going through this, too.
      
      Penguins are such wonderful creatures, as are pandas. They are both endangered. Shame on Google for picking those names.

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         Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Okay, I'll agree.

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      starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      same here total traffic plunge these past two weeks ... good thing I dont rely soley on hubpages in order to eat

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   Debby Bruckposted 11 years ago

   Homeopathic STING cream works like a charm
   
   But, the sting from drop in views you will have to find another solution

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Right you are, Debby. I did a bit of a search on homeopathic sting cream, and came up with lots of products. Do you have one in mind, and can I send it to HP and Google? They are not itching right now, but may be soon.
      
      On the other hand (no pun intended), maybe they should itch with no relief.

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      Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I tend to agree with Debbie. I look at the hubs which score in the 90's and 100's and cannot for the life of me figure out why except that most of them deal with plain vanilla subjects not related to any controversy, etc.  At the same time, you don't see any poetry there or any short-fiction...it's all about "how to"....a real safe subject for those more aligned with politically correct thinking than they are writing and the talents exhibited by the individual writer. WB

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         Cameron Corniukposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yup. I had to pull mine to get my score back up, although they still haven't recovered from a minor error I couldn't manage to straighten out with HP directly as I would in the old days.

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         Len Cannonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I noticed this comment because it seems to have gained some traction with other commenters.  If there's one thing I've learned from HubPages, it is that it is not a place for political editorials or fiction.  It isn't because of anything HubPages has or hasn't done, it's because this type of site is less than ideal for that particular type of content.
         
         How do you find your editorials?  Type of "abortion opinion piece" into Google?  Even IF HubPages had a better relationship with Google, good luck beating out the 1.5 million other people who've written about just that same topic. I find editorials in newspapers, on personal websites I already visit, from links on tumblr and Facebook. Not from search engines.  There's no real mechanism for someone who isn't on HubPages to find your opinion pieces.
         
         That goes double for fiction! I can't even think of a way for someone to find your short stories on HubPages that doesn't involve them being a HP users looking for new fiction or you linking it to someone.  There are better sites dedicated to fiction that have a larger community interested in reading, sharing, and promoting quality fiction. 
         
         When I started out on HubPages, I was writing articles about politics or some satirical joke articles. It was a mistake. They never did well, even in the best of times, and now they're dead. I still try to write fun or funny articles from time to time. But it takes a lot of thought to figure out what type of title will attract attention from people poking around on search engines. And that does mean "How to", "Best of" "The weirdest/funniest/greatest/whatever", and all types of other cliche terms.
         
         My WILDLY liberal politics hubs get 0 hits a day now. They're done. Even when they were getting views 99% of them came from HubPages. Once I figured out what HubPages was designed for, I saw things get a lot better for myself.

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            Barbara Kayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Wayne, I agree with Len. I wrote a couple of these and they got some traffic when I first wrote them. Now they get 0. I still write what I really care about though, even if it isn't popular or searchable.

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            gracenotesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with Len and Wayne.  Political essays and hubs on certain controversial subjects are not going to fare well in the long run (for most of us).  If you're pretty good, yes, you're going to get a lot of comments and a following from fellow hubbers, but you'll have to be satisfied with that.
            
            I realized this fact early on.  Although I would love to write essays, I think I can save these for a writer's group, or for publication in the comments section of a good web site.  On some of my favorite web sites, I admire the writing abilities of so many people who comment on articles.  Part of the fun is watching for their next clever observation.
            
            It's not that I dislike topical writing that touches on current events.  I just think it's wise not to go there.  I am not so foolish to think that I can compete with the many competent journalists out there who already have years of experience and a wide readership.
            
            By the way, my traffic is on par, and about where it was a few months ago.  The thing that disturbs me the most is the lack of income during May.  Those click values seem to be low, at least for my favorite subjects.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

   If I ever, ever, ever reached 1,400 page views, I would not know what to do with myself.  I consider myself lucky when I reach 400 on any given day.  Which is probably why the black and white attack skipped over me.  I probably bored them silly with my account.

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      With the stuff you produce, Arlene, two years from now (or sooner) I would expect you'd be in that 1000+ range. Then Google will do another black and white slam, and we'll all be in the same bucket again! Visions of caught fish in a bucket of salt water waiting to go home to get filleted for dinner.

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      moonlakeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree I have never came close to 1400.

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      Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Arlene, I have been here over two years, scored 100 as a writer 78 times and have 571 hubs.  I have never to my knowledge exceeded over 200 hub views a day.  For a long time now I have been below 150 and have now dropped below 100.  I have worked very hard to make my hubs the highest quality that I can write.  The changes which continue to happen tend to undermind things and one is continually forced back to their hubs to go through some gyration that has nothing to do with the writing or talent involved.  If you write politically with a conservative slant, you can count on all your hubs suffering in some fashion...I am convinced of that.  I have always written for the shear enjoyment of it all and the interaction with other good writers.  Those writers are slowly drifting away and I am starting to see why.  What a shame...Hubpages had much more potential at one time than it does today. WB

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "The changes which continue to happen tend to undermind things and one is continually forced back to their hubs to go through some gyration that has nothing to do with the writing or talent involved."
         
         I agree with you completely, from the gut. HP has redesigned its site with hints they derive about what google is doing. I don't think this move has done anyone, to date, any good. Shooting in the dark?
         
         I say "from the gut", because I don't have any expertise about SEO stuff. I just write things that I think others would like to know. The problem is today, that others who would like to know about my stuff are getting side-shifted into google crap, and HP is trying to figure it out. Sort of like the tail wagging the dog. Or the age-old question of the chicken and the egg.
         
         I'm just going to continue to write good stuff, whether it's here or elsewhere. I'd like for it to be here, but with the dismal views my stuff gets here these days, along with my stuff being stolen and the work involved in filing DMCAs, frankly, HP may not be a venue I want to pursue. Lots of thought needs to go into this.

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         EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Case in point: there was a thing they introduced about a year ago which set a lower limit of 50 words per Amazon item. To help people comply with this new rule before the deadline, an automated warning appeared on people's hubs. Only thing is, the warning didn't do the word count properly. As a result, many people thought their hubs had a clean bill of health (because there was no automated warning), and were shocked to find their hubs being unpublished a few weeks later. I know of at least one user who actually got banned as a result of this. I'm sure the same thing would have happened to me if I hadn't gone through my hubs one by one to check the word count/no. of Amazon products ratio.
         
         I agree with you, there has been far too much change on this site. A lot of it seems to be of the knee jerk variety. Sometimes in life, it's actually better to wait and see rather than run around like a headless chicken changing things for the sake of it.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

   Why, thank you so much, Sally's Trove.  But I hope I made you feel better with my BIG 400 comment. 
   
   I get bitten all the of the time by unknown bugs.  I just suffer because mosquito bites leave big, hard welts on me because I am allergic to the swamp water or any gross scum water that they breed in.  Out here in Northern California, my neighborhood gets sprayed occasionally to combat West Nile disease.

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   SmartAndFunposted 11 years ago

   Whine away, my dears. There's nothing wrong with a little venting now and then, especially when it is for a good reason.
   
   Personally, I'm waiting for Google Puppy to come along and lick our faces and wag its tail, then magically bestow page views upon us all.
   
   Here fella! Come 'ere! Good boy!

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      Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Love it! I'm ready. I've got antibacterial wipes.

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         Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         A vaccination shot might be more accurate than antibacterial wipes.

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            Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            No argument here. Whatever works.

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               Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It would be nice if all I had to do was get a vaccination and my traffic would return. Unfortunately, the irrationality of it makes it quite funny/amusing to think of at least.

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                  Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I hate shots, white coat syndrome and all that, but I'd gladly take one if my traffic here returned.

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                     Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     White coat syndrome?
                     
                     Never heard of that before.

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                        Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Cags, you're gonna choke on all those big-mouthed laughs...need a CPR specialist?

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                           Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Why you offering services? Just curious, what's your per hour fee?

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                              Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Not offering services. But if you needed CPR, I'd do it for free.

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                                 Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Good to know.

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                     tillsontitanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Try an oatmeal bath...Aveeno works well.  Aloe is good too.

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                        Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't think that oatmeal bath will help with google.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      In my case, a St Bernard might be more appropriate - a puppy just isn't going to cut it.

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The bigger the better. And the St. Bernard comes with a keg of brandy? Perfect.

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            LeanManposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            With our luck, puppy or st,Bernard it will turn out to be rabid.....

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               wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                 Seems that way, doesn't it?

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                  Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Totally insightful.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

   Yuck, yuck, yuck.  Snorty snort snort.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

   I made enough this month for two orders of egg foo yung for me and my honey, so I can't complain.  I can even stop by afterwards at WalMart for the wipes.  Ho, ho, ho!!!

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are definitely at the top of what it means to write hubs on HP. Dinner for you and your honey? There's not much better than that.
      
      I was hoping for a trip to Fiji.

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   Sally's Troveposted 11 years ago

   White coat syndrome: scared to death of anyone who looks like a doctor. Makes your blood pressure shoot up the roof.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Ah, Fiji . . .

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I've never been there, although my mother has. I'd love to go, and maybe stay. Forever. I think that would make me forget about HP. Have you been there?

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    No.  I've been to Hawaii and the Philippines.  I have been to Tahiti by myself.  I was about 26 and got on the wrong bus back to the hotel.  I ended up at the bus driver's house, so out comes his wife who is about to have her baby.  There were chickens all over the place.  They just smiled at me and drove me back to the hotel.  Dumb American Girl.  They are the most gorgeous people with thick dark hair and flawless skin.  But they like that bark.  It's like a drug, and it rots the teeth.  I've only met people from Fiji, but they came to California to live.

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       SmartAndFunposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       LOL, You have the best stories, Arlene!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       What a great experience! There are good people everywhere, and we're lucky to find them when we're young and not so experienced in the ways of the world.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Thank you, SmartAndFun!  I go to Hawaii whenever I can.  Like, when I have the money???  Looking forward to cruising the island again later this year.  But some of the people who have lived in Hawaii all their lives tell me that it is such a treat to come to the U.S.  They say it gets tiring to stay on the same island.  OH, HURT ME!!!  What's not to like about Paradise???

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    habeeposted 11 years ago

    My traffic is sucking canal water!

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       Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sheeesh.... Sorry to hear that... Drunk Driving again were you girl?

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          habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Yep - too much diet Sprite! lol

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    Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

    For some reason the old joke "What's black and white and read/red all over?"
    comes to mind.
    Answer: Panda/penguin-smacked hubs/hubbers!
    Ouch!
    
    It does help to be in such great company.
    We will all get through this.
    Meantime, let's all go to Hawaii with Arlene!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Ouch is right!

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       Bedbugabscondposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       How many Hubbers does it take to change a lightbulb?
       
       None, a penguin ate the light bulb, and a panda ate the penguin.

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          tillsontitanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Way to go!  Keeping our sense of humor will get us through this as it has all other issues.

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    Lisa HWposted 11 years ago

    The way I see it, people (and I'm one) need to look at the bright side of a decline:  It can be liberating in a lot of ways.  (It might have been kind of good if it hadn't happened a couple of months before my daughter's wedding, but - hey - who cares!!!!     )   (See how liberating it all can be??  )

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       LOL Love it!

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    Anna Marie Bowmanposted 11 years ago

    I thought I was the only one...misery does love company, though.  I figure I will just keep plugging along, keep writing and hope everything turns out.  After all, aren't they running out of black and white animals to torture us with??  Pandas...penguins...I'm waiting on the zebra and of course, the aptly named skunk...

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       Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Well Congrats anyway for your 1000 followers Anna Marie..
       
       I think they actually have their own Skunk Division already!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Skunk really should have been the first one...it stank and all the updates that followed stank, too, except for a brief period starting in November, ending in January, where my traffic was the best ever. Pee-eew!

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    CMHypnoposted 11 years ago

    The sun is finally shining over here in the UK after a cold, wet April/May, so all your British Google traffic is outside firing up the bbq and having a few drinks.  As its the Queen's Jubilee next week, I expect internet traffic here will stay a bit slow.
    
    White or red anyone?

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Scotch, please.

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          Gordon Hamiltonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Excellent choice, Sherri! Unfortunately, I'm allergic to cortisone so can't use it for insect bites or anything else but do you know that a good single malt whisky is also an excellent treatment? It doesn't cure the bite - but you certainly don't feel the pain any more...
          
          Traffic down by almost exactly fifty percent so feeling your other pain as well.

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             Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Gordon, I'm glad you chimed in here. Now, do I drink the malt or put it on the damn sore? Or both?
             
             It's interesting that your traffic is down 50 percent and not 80. I wonder if google dot co dot uk has something to do with that? Like, google implementing things in the US before implementing them in the rest of the world.

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                Gordon Hamiltonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                You could maybe spare a very brief dab for the sore, Sherri - it will work the magic in no time (but sting like Hell for a few seconds) and it can be used very successfully as an antiseptic but the anaesthetic value is far superior
                
                Re Google, the overwhelming amount of my Google traffic comes from America, so I don't think it would be a factor. Interesting thought, though - maybe HP staff reading this thread might have a better idea...?

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    EmpressFelicityposted 11 years ago

    My traffic is sucking too. A few weeks back I described its slow decline as being rather like the gradual deflation of a balloon after a birthday party.
    
    Now it's almost at the shrivelled-up wrinkly bladder stage.
    
    Formerly I did at least get the odd respectable Adsense click to supplement my HP ad program earnings but this month on Adsense I have made the grand total of... £0.40.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Love this image! Yup, it sure seems like all the air's just about gone.

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          EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I just looked at my HP page views stats. I've dropped down to less than 100 views over the last 24 hours.
          
          Six months or so ago, I was getting over 1,000 views a day.

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    noenhulkposted 11 years ago

    still consider yourself lucky. Many hubbers are struggling to get that page views (250) daily including me. It might go back to normal... if google wants.

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    prasetio30posted 11 years ago

    I have the same feeling with you. From 1600 views jump into 500 views per day.  But I should never give up and always do the best in HP.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I always admire your optimism. You are a breath of fresh air.

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    2uesdayposted 11 years ago

    If Google is going to answer any queries it can respond to itself, then in future the way we write for search traffic may have to change if we want to any get traffic. I am wondering if the way forward is to write about things that Google cannot answer/respond to itself on the results page.
    
    Maybe I just imagined this but I thought I read that it will post responses to tings like - 'who is William Morris' with a paragraph or two containing the answer. Hence the person with the query will stay on Google rather than come to an article containing information about 'William Morris'.
    
    So I am thinking that maybe I need to write things on subjects that cannot be answered in that way. Complicated line of thought though, and may be do to lack of sleep.
    
    I am also remembering not to put all the eggs in one basket as I think that helps, i.e. to have something to gauge traffic variations against.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You and rebekahELLE are on target here. This most recent change will have a disastrous effect on what I like to call "indie writers on content farms".
       
       I tried out some searches this afternoon (after reading your posts and posts I'd seen elsewhere), and frankly, from a user's point of view, I hate the changes. If I google John Kennedy, I don't want a bunch of crap on the right hand side of the page that leads me only to other google search returns or to sites about Boston or Jackie. A HUGE waste of my time.
       
       Can't wait to see what the "indie" and IM communities have to say about this.

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       Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I like that line of thought, definitely.  One of the words used to describe traffic-grabbing content, when I first started writing online, was 'unique'.
       
       That stuck with me.  My General Lee/Charles Ingalls hub, which is just starting to get traffic, is getting traffic from a pretty nice set of diverse queries...not going to draw a lot of traffic, but it could get a trickle from many different search phrases.  Time will tell, I guess, but I agree thinking outside the box on any topic is one way to go.
       
       Edit:  For any beginners reading this, I mean search queries that land people on my page and they don't click right back off in disappointment.  A page that matched what the searcher was looking for, in other words.

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          That's always the goal. Thanks for sharing...but I'm afraid that google is taking that thinking out of their current push.
          
          And, does this new aspect of throwing out links to google's own links have a name now? Can we call it skunk, zebra, or how about just beelzebub?

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             Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Everything I've read from Google implies this isn't being taken out of the equation, but enforced.  Duplicate and similar content have been marked, without question.

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                Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                OK...what do you mean? Can you clarify? I have no idea what you are talking about, but that may have something to do with this horrible itch I have. Please elaborate.

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          IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          As a Google battered wife, can I just note that when Google decides to slap you around they send you the wrong search traffic too.
          
          I know how to add content to match search terms that found my hub, but Google have been sending the most ridiculous search terms to my hubs since August last year.
          
          They send them in numbers for a few days at a time, then no traffic at all for weeks, then more traffic for another search term that has nothing to do with the hub, then nothing again for a while.
          
          Even now, I occasionally see a single hub bounce back to Google's front page, but for the search terms that don't relate.
          
          By the time I notice and change the hub, it is too late, and traffic dies again.
          
          Yet before I got slapped, I got traffic for the search terms that directly related to the hub.
          
          I shouldn't have to add in ludicrous paragraphs to match Google search.
          
          Google should send traffic directly related to the hub content.
          
          Then again, it is just part and parcel of what Google does, and the power they have.

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    rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago

    Yes, that is correct. I googled the names of composers I write about to see what it looks like, and they display an image and short bio, info on the right sidebar, with links.
    
    My hubs still receive some traffic, but I think the key to those kind of hubs receiving traffic is backlinks in specific forums and blogs about the person/topic, and answering specific kind of questions not easily found online.
    
    With all of these changes, I'm glad I don't depend on online revenue for a living.

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    ripplemakerposted 11 years ago

    HI Sherri..me too! I had a huge drop as well... I had to laugh about the Penguins and Pandas being such cute creatures and why they had to use those names for these updates... do you think our traffic will go back up?

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Sorry I missed the rest of the party!  I went out for the egg foo yung (young) with my sweetie.  Courtesy of my payout.  I ate too much and was miserable.  Had to hit the hay!  Well, I guess that's better than bowing to the toilet god.  Back in the days of the "Young and the Restless/Young,  Dumb and 21).  Now, I am trying NOT to bow to the Google gods or having them upset me!

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    I write about different topics, and I can complain about the improvement over the month.  I've tried other online sites, but HP is very user friendly for me.  I do get help from ADM when I ask for it.  I admire writers who can make a living off online work.  I certainly can't.  I have my pension, so that takes the heat off paying the bills so that I can write.  Even then, retirement can make you very, very lazy.  I've never experienced a true Panda-Penquin attack.  As long as I see little red Christmas trees on my account, I'm okay with all of it.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    I CAN'T complain over the improvements that I've made over the months.  I started with a couple of pennies and finally made payout in March.  Through all of you, I learned how to think of my account as a business and not some overnight, get-quick-rich scheme.  Just keep plugging away.

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    tillsontitanposted 11 years ago

    I'm feeling really out of this ballgame!  I'm happy to get those 400 views per MONTH! Guess I'd better hone up on my hubbing skills!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Unfortunately, and I hate to say this because my life's work is helping people communicate meaningfully, it really doesn't matter what your hubbing skills are. I know, I just hate what I said. I've got hubs that talk about writing skills and how important they are (and all of that is true), but this newest google game has nothing to do with effective communication. It's got everything to do with capitalizing on limited attention spans and shoving searchers into google's own pockets.

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    rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago

    Google is plainly trying to further monopolize search. When I was putting together my composer hubs, I was searching in so many places to get information, it drove me crazy. So I wanted to make one page that gave substantial information along with links for those searching for info. One of those hubs does well from FB links and a songwriters forum. Those are exactly the readers I want. But I had to get out there and join a forum and a fanpage to bring in traffic.
    
    I probably won't write too many more hubs about specific people unless I have found info not easily available online.
    
    Remember, HP traffic is almost always down on weekends, especially holiday and summer weekends.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Just a gut thing, I am not an IM/SEO guru, it makes great sense to reach out to like interest groups. That's the strategy behind back linking. But, (pardon me while I bite this itch off my hand) it seems as though that's not enough, or more precisely, it's what google is undermining.

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          rebekahELLEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, yes, I know it's not enough, and that's why I don't spend too much time writing and publishing online at this time. I'm more concerned with viewers who really want the information finding it. I've never depended on this income and quite honestly, I'm glad I haven't written hundreds of hubs. I think it must be so disheartening to see your hard work diminished by the google gods.
          I just write when I feel like publishing. And lately it has been more time related and feeling somewhat uninspired to spend time writing. I have one that I wrote a few days ago at work, but I haven't put it together yet. Since March, my peak day was March 12 with 561 views according to GA. Since January, my peak day was Feb. 14, with over 1000 views. The last 7 days it shows 2108 views. That's down quite a bit. That's an average of 301 daily views.
          But the great weather is here, and I want to be outside, and I think many others feel that way too!
          
          Enjoy the weekend. I hope you get your itch taken care of.

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             Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             You have the right perspective. This is a great place for sharing, but not necessarily for income producing, although it was in the past.
             
             Damn the itch! I'll get rid of it eventually, and maybe gain some insight into my writings and google's dominance. google = itch.

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    Sally's Troveposted 11 years ago

    BTW, I do love a good malt whiskey. Unfortunately, it gives me an immediate headache. Ah, the battle between the taste buds and the internal dynamics.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    My Hubs are also a way for me to record my retirement.  Writing Hubs also keeps me out of jail.  I do enjoy Forums like this one.  Entertaining and useful.  Keeps me from being banned, too!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I saw you as a peppery element in life's soup from the beginning. Keep it up. If  you get banned, so what? Just say what you think...many excellent hubbers have been banned from time to time. Just go with what it is you want to say. (I don't have to remind you of consequences...you figure those out yourself.)

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    tillsontitanposted 11 years ago

    Sally's Trove you may not be an IM/SEO guru in your eyes but you are in many of ours.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       How do I love thee, let me count the ways. TY, so much tillsontitan. Your words are nectar to this person who is trying to find a way in, around this confusion. I just want to share what I find and elicit others' thoughts. This exploration is good for all of us.

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    Sally's Troveposted 11 years ago

    Now, I've still got that gawd-awful itch on my hand and a 75-pound dog who wants to get under my desk and mess up my connectivity. I'm going to take him for a walk and douse my itch with pure scotch - malt (ty Gordon).
    
    See you a bit later.

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       IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Try painting the bite area with nail polish. No idea why it works, but often it takes the itch away completely, and it certainly doesn't do any harm.

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          TY Izzy. At this moment, I am going to the cosmetics cabinet to find some nail polish. This thing is making me crazy. I did put scotch on it (TY, Gordon), but that didn't work. AAACH!

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             Gordon Hamiltonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Sherri - do you know what actually bit you?
             
             There are two other options that I've used all my life but you have to get it right. For example, vinegar is acidic and will counteract the effects of an alkaline wasp sting but severely irritate the acidic sting of a bee. On the other side of the coin, Bicarbonate of Soda (Baking soda) is alkaline and will have the opposite effects.
             
             You may want to take another wee dram of the anaesthetic before you experiment...
             
             Hope you find the solution soon

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                Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                TY so much, Gordon.  I have no idea what bit me, or if I'm staving off something like poison sumac. It's just a nasty place on my hand, itching like hell, about the size of a drop of a molecular pea made out of sodium alginate using a highly refined syringe.
                
                Meanwhile, I took Izzy's advice and painted the sucker with nail polish. It's the first relief I've had for days.
                
                I'm still swilling the the anaesthetic, by the way, so I now have psychological relief as well. I'll keep you all posted.

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I painted the area about an hour ago with Sally Hansen clear coat, and got immediate relief. But now, into the next hour, this thing is driving me crazy. I think I'll take a shower, scrub the hell out of it, dry it off, and coat it again. Thanks, IzzyM!
          
          Also, I'll follow Gordon's advice on numbing anesthetics in the form of ingested whiskey. Tomorrow will be a better day.

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             IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I never had clear polish and used to walk about with patches of psychedelic green or blue about my person. It worked at the time, but I suspect your bite has gone beyond that and you need a dab or two of hydrocortisone cream to remove the heat and itch.
             
             Meanwhile, the booze will take care of your anxiety issues, in other words you won't GAF about the itch, but it helps at the time
             
             Don't worry about the internet traffic stuff.
             
             I'm sure all this writing is great practice for greater things

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                Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Love your affirming and helpful messages, IzzyM. I happen to love green and blue on toes and fingers. Hey! Let's continue to work outside the box. Clear coat was what was handy. Think I'll have to dig around tomorrow...blue or green might take the itch away better than clear.

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       mistyhorizon2003posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Pour boiling water on a standard tea bag, then when it is still hot (or as hot as you can bear) place the tea bag on the bite or sting. Leave it there for several minutes or more. This should solve the problem, plus tea is a natural antiseptic. It will also draw any poison or infection from the wound.
       
       My traffic is also horribly down, and I am now virtually back to where my traffic was just after Panda hit the first time. My earnings are equally down to a fraction of what they were from Oct 2011-to about Jan 2012. I just can't get my mindset into the 'Just keep writing and things will get better' mode that many others have. I cannot see the point in continuing to write until we know if things will get better or not, otherwise it feels like Nero who allegedly 'played the fiddle while Rome burned' or the passengers on the Titanic who continued dancing in the ballroom refusing to believe the ship was sinking as this 'just wasn't possible' because the Titanic was 'unsinkable'!

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          EmpressFelicityposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Nor can I. I think future attempts at writing for myself online will be limited to subjects that I'm sure that nobody else is writing about, or subjects where I genuinely think I can offer a different perspective to those who have covered them before.
          
          I won't be writing Amazon sales hubs, that's for sure. Or recipes.
          
          I can't help feeling that sites like HubPages are on the way out, due to Google's  putting "authority sites" top of the SERPs by default.

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             mistyhorizon2003posted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I am inclined to agree with you which is why I believe now that eBooks and our own websites are the way forward if we want our work to be read, and certainly if we want to make any kind of useful income without watching it gradually diminishing every time there is another run of Panda (or Penguin now).

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the advice about the tea bag. I will definitely try that if this thing kicks up again.
          
          I, also, am unmotivated to write on HP, and yes, the situation is much akin to Nero fiddling while Rome burns. Well said.

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    WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

    I went down from a couple hundred to almost nil views overnight just over a week ago.
    
    However, in the last three days, I have started getting Google traffic again. I can't estimate the recovery all that easily, because I have unpublished my best hubs and transferred them to my own websites since I am sick of the HP roller-coaster.
    
    Extrapolating to what I have left, I think I've gone back to about 75% of what I had before. Interestingly, I'm seeing further climbs this weekend despite all the warnings about it being a holiday.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    I hope you find a cure for that itch of yours.  I am beginning to scratch.  Is it sympathy scratching???  Crazy weather.  That could be it.  My dogs have fleas this year for the first time.  And I am living off Claratin for the first time in about 5 years.  Oh, thank you for your insights on being banned.  I figured you can't take any of this personal, anyway!  You have me pegged, though.  Snorty, snort, snort.

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    Paul Kuehnposted 11 years ago

    In the past year I have published 85 hubs.  The most views I have had in one day is 400 and it happened only once or twice.  over the past 6 weeks I have been averaging 200-250 hits a day, but lately my traffic has also fallen off 20-30%.  My worst days for views are on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Wayne, thank you so much for your insights.  I also am very fond of your poem about "Carrots and Peas."  It is the only poem here that I care to read and remember.  Also, the one about Marilyn Monroe.  Unfortunately, I've seen many people leave HubPages, and it's not all about the newbies who want to make money right away.  This is very scary to me.  I have finally come to the realization that I am retired and don't have to scramble for online money like a lot of these folk who depend on it for survival.  So I have to remind myself that my pension gives me the freedom to write.  I left another online site before coming here.  So I'm through complaining about the black and white attacks and other things I cannot control.  Like you, I do write for the pure joy of it.  Thank you for the reminder!!!

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    I long for the days of journalism where you wrote a cleaver or a catchy title to attract your readers.  But I tell ya.  Them days are long gone!

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       Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       There's still scope in your summary.  Rank with your title and content, and maybe, hook them in with thirty words that they can't resist.
       
       That's a theory.
       
       I'm working on it.

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I've been working on this approach too, Mark. Although I often find my 30 words gripping, I don't know that anyone else does, but the first problem is getting the ranking.
          
          Interestingly, my new blog, launched last November on blogspot, sometimes out-ranks older, more robust and active blogs of a similar topic that are not hosted on blogspot. An online friend of mine suggested that google "looks more kindly" on blogspot blogs, and there may be some truth to that.
          
          Who knows?

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    prettydarkhorseposted 11 years ago

    I hope you are feeling better now Sherri! The weather is crazy here, hot and humid then drizzle, sometimes it rains at night!
    
    @ number of views. Google is messing with their "relevance and personalized" searching. Crazy. Hope no. of views climb after the long holiday weekend!

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       "Messing" is an understatement!

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    Hypersapienposted 11 years ago

    I still consider myself a newbie here, so I probably don't have enough of a track record to have established a baseline for views.  Still, I'm somewhat happy with the views I'm getting (although I wouldn't complain about getting more).  I like seeing what the veteran hubbers get in terms of voews because it give me something to shoot for.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I think you are getting the idea that numbers of views here on HP have been much, much more in the past, and "veteran" hubbers, for the most part, are not happy about what has happened.
       
       But cheers to you for chiming in! Yours is a hopeful voice in a sea of disillusion. Good luck! And maybe some of your optimism will rub off on others.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    If the "veteran" Hubbers aren't making any money, then no one is making money.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm not quite sure that's exactly true, Arlene. But I'm not sure it isn't either. Many "veteran" hubbers have taken terrible hits, but some others may not have, although we will not necessarily hear from them about their strategies. This online writing/publishing/money-making field is guarded in secrecy. Some share, but most don't. It's sort of like, I'm the hungry big cat and I'm not going to tell you where I find my prey.
       
       There's always a new way to use a system, and of course, an eventual way to redesign a system. Now, there may be new or veteran hubbers who are figuring this out.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    It's just weird.  There's not much on my feed these days, and I don't recognize the names.  The people that I started HubPages with have bailed.  Or they don't write as much.  Maybe weeks and weeks before they write a Hub.  I don't like working in an environment where you don't really know what's going on.  Which is why I left the former online site before coming to this one.  I may force myself to writing and publish something this week.  Or not.  I'm not reading Hubs or writing all that much.  My house and garden are beginning to look good with this time off, though.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You and I come from a different world, the print world. You use two spaces after a period, although I weaned myself from that practice a few years ago.
       
       This is not a place of expectations about community. HP, early on, popularized itself as a writers' community, but that didn't happen. And here's why: HP also marketed itself as a place to earn money online. Nothing wrong with that, but knowing how to earn money online and being a community (people who come together to share) are not necessarily compatible.
       
       HP had a vibrant following a few years ago of folks who knew how to work HP to their own financial ends. That wasn't a bad thing. It made for a lot of good content and also a dynamic community (barring the inevitable spam).
       
       A good friend of mine doesn't want to write here anymore because, as you said, the good people she started with are mostly gone, so it's not a community for her.
       
       But you never know who you are going to meet online. Some may turn out to be trusted; others will be not so. HP is, what it is.

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          Urbane Chaosposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Like everything online, HubPages has changed a lot since I joined.. but I can't say that it's all bad either.  I agree, it's not so much of a writing community as it was before but there's still a lot of excellent writers here. 
          
          From what I've noticed (and I'll include myself here as well), HubPages has really been more of a stepping stone to greater things.  I've seen a lot of the older writers that I started with refine their writing skills and marketing skills here, and then move off to do their own thing.  It's still a community, but one that moves a little quicker than most.

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    rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago

    I saw an increase yesterday in views, surprisingly. Not a big one, but one that I noticed, especially on a holiday. I just saw on my FB feed that there was a Penguin update released Friday. http://searchengineland.com/google-push … paign=wall  I haven't read the entire article, but it looks like it was a refresh.

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    Peggy Wposted 11 years ago

    Hi Sally,
    
    My views have taken a serious nose dive also.  You are in good company from what I can determine!  Why do they have to keep naming these "adjustments" after such cute animals?
    
    Hope your itching has abated by now.  I'm a big believer in the value of using aloe vera straight from the gelatinous inside of the plant.
    
    Have a few glasses of wine at night.  Maybe you won't care so much about the itching. 

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Oh, well.  Let's see what the week and the month of June brings.  My earnings for the past two months remain the same.  Still a Dollar-a-Day Hubber.  Some days are far better than others.  Sure, it would be nice to have more views.  I could go on a buying spree at Amazon.com and write nothing but product reviews!

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    LOL!  LOL!  You don't miss a thing, do you???  Maybe I can start weaning myself away from the two spaces. Just recently,  I did stop the two spaces when following a colon.  I don't know why.  I just did it.  But two spaces after a period is going to take some work because I've only been doing it since the 70s.  Yuck, yuck, yuck.
    
    I did have a friend who told me that he had "outgrown" HP.  I found that very interesting because he had been working the content mills and HP at the same time for about a year.  So he dropped HP and is now working the content mills full-time.
    
    I'm not looking for a lot of love from the cyber world.  But I've noticed that some people cannot live without HP, so they post, post, post away.  Once I slam my laptop shut, that's it.  All those little cyber voices are gone, and it's not like I'm meeting everyone for lunch.  Unfortunately, HP can be just another big distraction.  If I see the same names on the Forums day after day after day, it only tells me that writing is the last thing these people want to do.  But that's their call.

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       Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Fingers have their own memories. Any musician will tell you that (maybe you are a musician too?). It's really hard to break an old habit. Glad you started with the colon. I think I may have started there, too. The period followed from that.
       
       It's all part of making thoughts accessible to this younger generation, I think.
       They don't give a rat's ass about how to present information for the good of the reader. It's all about them.

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          Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Finger, colon and rat's ass?  What is happening to HP?  We need a mod, and quick.
          
          Yours, disgusted of Wherever.

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       ktrappposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Haha. The last time I did two spaces after a period was when I used an electric typewriter. Hopefully, you're not doing two spaces after your periods in all your hubs because the html just gets "cleaned" up and there is just one space left. To really add that second space you would have to go in and edit the html each time.  Strangely though, the double space remains in your forum posts and I believe profile biographies.

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          That's interesting. I didn't know that. So, if I regress to the two-space tango (TY for that visual, Arlene) while writing Hubs, nobody will ever know the historical era I come from.

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             ktrappposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             You've got it! But you've only got about 8 years on me so hopefully it's not too historical of an era.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Mark, always grateful that you are here to save the day.  Kinda like a Cyber Superman?  Or was that the theme from Mighty Mouse?

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       Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Probably the most squeaky of the two I expect.  I was fascinated by the double space thing.  Is it not allowed on the internet?

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          Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          LOL Mark, if you have to ask that, then you are missing a strong editorial tradition in writing that makes sense to the reader. Umm, I guess this would be a hub or something, but I don't feel up to it. Maybe Arlene does/could/would, or you.

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             Lisa HWposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I do the two-spaces-after-a-period thing too, and the only time I shake that is when I'm writing where it's absolutely required as part of the style rules.  I just like the non-crammed look and have no intention of changing.     I like to think there's at least a little virtue in being someone who isn't willing to buckle under "societal pressure".     Hey - I wonder if Google sent around some secret black-and-white creature to go after everyone who uses two spaces after periods.  Hmmm.....  Oh well...  That's OK.  They can have their Internet 'cuz I'm not about to change my space-practices for anyone.   

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                tillsontitanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Two spaces after a period is a hard habit to break.  I've been doing it for over 40 years and don't see myself stopping any time soon.  Onward and upward.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Sigh. I pass. Hubby cut down a tree yesterday, so I am getting my loppers out to cut branches. I am really working on my tan. Oh, lookit!!! I managed to get through this without double-spacing after the periods! WooHoo!!!

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Cool!  Then there's still hope for me!  Last year, I did have this 7-month gig for a content mill, but no one called me on my two-space tango.  Was still able to collect my pay.

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       Lisa HWposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Some places just won't let a two-spacer go through, but the idea of the task of going through an article and taking away spaces after every period and colon can be enough to make me remember not to double-space if I'm writing on one of those places..    That's the good thing about HubPages (at least for now) - two spaces after a period is kind of the least of anyone's problems. 

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    BAH, HUMBUG!!! The two spaces habit developed in junior high for me. At that time, all we had were the MANUAL typewriters. But since you put it that way (html) I can make the changes if I remember. Oh, lookit! I'm doing it! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

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       SmartAndFunposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Junior high - that's where I learned it, too! My editor at the little paper I write for now has asked me to knock it off and use one space. Something to do with the program they use. Back when I learned to type no one had computers. I'm old, I admit it.

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       ktrappposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Hahaha. You can add all the spaces you want here ... wheeeeeeeeeeee...                                      but not in your hubs. Oh, and remember how we used to underline titles of books too? Not on the web - underlining is for links. (Well - you can do it, it just becomes confusing.) Pesky html.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 11 years ago

    Ay, yi, yi, k! You're talking 200+ Hubs with double spaces for me. Ick, ick, ick. Maybe I should sit down with a couple of shawarmas one night and correcto! (N-O-T!!!)

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       ktrappposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Shawarmas - now where have I heard that before? But there's no correcting or fixing to be done since the double space automatically is eliminated for you.

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