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Who are the greatest fools?

  1. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Atheists have been called "fools" on these forums. We (and they) all know why. But, conversely they see believers as fools. Again, we all know why?
    I have to admit, I AM a fool for Christ. (thought I'd get that right out front), So, which one is the greatest fool?
    A) Atheist
    B) Believer ? And why?

    1. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you've pretty much summed it up. Either side sees the other as a fool. As the scripture says...the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So what a fool am I !! big_smile

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Careful CJ ,thats considered too forceful here wink

        1. fierycj profile image85
          fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Scripture's always forceful. Double-edged and all that. You know it. I know it. wink

      3. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yup that about sums it up all right. Ever since that was written, wars conflict and hatred has been spread.

        I am only doing what you asked me to when I point out that your beliefs are ridiculous, pathetic crutches to salve your fear of death and reality.

        "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

        Logically - you must want people to call you a fool. After 1500 years of calling people fools, we are now starting to do the same to you.

        Just like you asked us to. wink

        Rather foolish don't you think - calling people fools and then saying you are only doing what you want others to do to you?

        More proof that the bible is worthless rubbish written by short-sighted men with a penchant for conflict.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As the scripture says...

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Lost me? Care to explain.

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It is God who is quoting (scripture)via the Bible..Only the fool has said etc..

              I am slow to call someone a fool ,although I assume like yourself you have heard some very foolish theories.

              1. fierycj profile image85
                fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Ha ha God even goes from calling them fools to laughing at them. 'The Almighty shall hold them in derision' And yet they say He aint got a sense of humour. Ha ha ha ha

              2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                LOLO

                So god thinks I am a fool?

                You do not. 

                Did I get that right?

                You nicely avoided the point I was making though. wink

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry sounded as though you felt Christians were calling you personally a fool...wanted you to stay focused is all.

                  The word comes from God ,which I believe you went on to say why you didnt beleive in that book.

                  It matters not what I think of you. I can tell you I find you a helpful person in technology matters. So therefore I would not call you a fool.

                  But as I said the laws you are so vehemently against are not mine, but Gods.

                  Do I agree with what God says, yes

                  Do I agree with Pres Obama's (example) yes

                  Are we the same person -No

                  1. fierycj profile image85
                    fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Boom!

                  2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No - just because you believe they are god's laws, that does not make them so. And I am not vehemently against any laws.

                    I am vehemently against people who think they have laws from a non-existent god and therefore can stand there and tell me that they are not calling me a fool - god is.

                    And if you believe every word in that book - you must believe I am a fool. No?

              3. mcbean profile image83
                mcbeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I would beg to differ on the point that the bible is an accurate version of anything. It is a book of stories that were originally passed verbally before being writting down by many sources and compiled by others. Much like a game we played as children known as 'Chinese Whispers' every time a story is heard and passed on it changes until it is essentially nonsense.
                The Bible, like the Koran, is full of contradictions. It is impossible to follow every word exactly due to this.
                This has created a dilemma for the church authorities who have to decide how to make this ancient book relevant to modern life.

                1. aka-dj profile image80
                  aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Please do some serious research, before you make childish statements as this. You are entitled to an opinion, but get some depth to your understanding.
                  By all means read pro and con material, and then decide for yourself.
                  Based on your logic, there is no historical basis for any ancient history either. All is contrived. sad

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I wonder if you realize how condescending you sound?

                    I agree with what he said. And I have spent some considerable time investigating the matter. There is very little proven historical fact in the bible, and much of what there is, is contradictory.

                    There is massive amounts of historical evidence for ancient history. Or are you suggesting that stonehenge and the pyramids do not count?

                    Very little of the actual historical evidence we have found concurs with your book of fairy tales. In fact, I have only ever been able to find one reference to jesus outside the bible.

                    Yet still you prefer to cover your eyes, and condescendingly tell other people to do some research.

                    And you wonder why your religion causes strife, conflict and wars.................

                  2. mcbean profile image83
                    mcbeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    My point, which you seem to have missed, is that you speak with absolute certainty about events that occured over 2000 years ago. Do you not think there may just be the smallest amount of reporting error? How many different version of the bible are around today? You don't think it was written in modern english do you? Each successive translation was flawless? Ancient history needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Like it has been said of wars - the victor writes the history - an obvious example of reporting bias

                    On a separate point: I am 100% convinced that Jesus walked the earth. There is plenty of evidence cross referenced from many sources. This does not mean I think he was the son of god. I think he was an excellent orator and a charismatic figure, but still a regular human like you and me. My evidence for this is that he is dead, still. Evidence that he was the son of god is hearsay. If performing miracles is evidence I will go to church on sunday and worship David Copperfield. It must have taken divine intervention for him to ever hook up with Claudia Schiffer.

                2. mohitmisra profile image59
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ying and yang both exists and contradiction is the way the mystic expresses life and god which is correct.

        2. t.keeley profile image84
          t.keeleyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm just going to jump in late in the game with an earlier post to sum up how stupid this argument even is...

          Any believer of any religion -- Mark hit it. You want to convert him through your pathetic quotes, phrases, adages, words, etc., and all you do is push him farther away from it. It's not that he doesn't see what you're saying, it's what you're saying he doesn't care to see because of the way you're going about it. Frankly, trying your hardest to convert anyone of any religion is futile, and I think it's proving itself here.

          Arguing faith is about as worthless as arguing politics...everyone's opinion should be viewed like ass holes. We all have one and it stinks.

          To Mark -- sorry people are doing this, although you're rightly doing it back. In over a year at HP I've yet to see you truly start this argument, so my props to you for sticking out the muddy waters of religion drivel continually assaulted at you and others disagreeing with some of this crazy stuff here.

          My opinion? Wait, mine stinks too!!!

    2. AEvans profile image70
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Personally to me all mankind are fools each and everyone of us. Instead of embracing each other for what our beliefs are we argue and always try to prove our point. smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like you more and more after comments like these. Excellent thought.

        1. AEvans profile image70
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you. smile

    3. phonereversetrace profile image60
      phonereversetraceposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Both are fools. Anyone that isn't willing to go beyond the mind and its incessant, bickering belief systems will always be deluded.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and both are "grouped belief"

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nope. One is a lack of belief. I know it is a difficult concept to grasp, but try. I am sure you will get it eventually. wink

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol you have a grouped belief in your lack of belief. Maybe you will someday get the concept.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ah - so you are telling me what is in my head. Excellent. You should join the christian cult - they are good at knowing what I have in my head. Perhaps if you spent a little time educating yourself you would be able to understand that a lack of belief is not a belief.

              I will try and simplify it for you - who knows, maybe it will help.

              Do you have a belief that there is no Santa Clause, or do you not have a belief that there is a Santa?

              See the difference? Subtle, I know, but you will get there.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What a shame , your condescending manner has lost my respect.

                Note Im speaking for myself and not God.

                I am hopeful too that your pride wont stop your further learning too.

                Oh well ( isnt that how you do it..flick people off)

                lol have a good day

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Still avoiding the question huh?

                  I do not care if I have your respect or not. Your passive aggressive "god says you are a fool, not me," is at the root of the whole discussion.

                  Pity you cannot see it.

                  And the marine and I have a history that does not include wanting your opinion on how we speak to each other. Nor will I have offended him as I have apparently offended you.

                  How very christian of you to judge me when you have no idea.

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Bumped this up because I couldnt get back online til now

                    @Mark K.
                    I owe you an opology as I thought you were responding to my answer ,hence my reply. It was not my intention to interupt you and marine's chat.

                    Re-read your post and I did answer your question.

                    Quit splitting hairs about who calls who a fool or not.

                    I do think a better question might have been

                    Whats the most foolish thing you have heard or seen.


                    The Hubpages Religious forum is a perfect example of what Christianity is Not according to Gods TOS  wink

              2. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol I always enjoy our conversations. Not everyday am I questioned on my belief of Santa.


                Why do you classify yourself as a group such as atheist's? This is the same as any other group. Grouped ideas/belief. Do you find comfort in a grouped belief or "unbelief"? Why do you need to have a title to what you believe or dont believe?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL

                  No - I am not in a group of anything. If you think about it, there is only a term "atheist," because of the believers.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ah, this is one of the main problems. Everything has a "term" to "separate" everyone. If everyone claimed individualism rather than a term, we would be a lot better off.

          2. phonereversetrace profile image60
            phonereversetraceposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Anything the mind can conceive is always going to be wrong.

    4. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Neither, but I am curious as to why this question singled out only those 2 particular groups.  Are they the only ones worth mentioning?  What I mean is, it seems to me you had a greater purpose for just singling out those two groups.  What your bases for wanting to know?  Just to call over 5 billion people fools???hmm 

      Does that solve our problems towards world peace or something?  Really, what am I missing here?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He is pushing his agenda. You don't think he actually wants an answer do you?

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image82
          IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, you've gotta a point there.  But I don't think he really EVER wants to know the answer.  He just likes making a fuss.  I should have known better.  As you well know Mark, us Christians are usually up to no good.smile

      2. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hmm Hadn't thought of that one? 5 billion fools. I gues my question then would still hold true. Which "group" would be the greatest? Believers, or atheists.
        Oh, but I already know the answer. lol lol lol

    5. Lady_E profile image81
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If people don't believe in God, that's fine. They should be left to their opinion but they shouldn't blatantly disrespect other peoples religion - same way they wouldn't disrespect other peoples culture.

      There are a few Atheists in Forums who do that. I will not call them Fools but a time will come in their lives, when they will willingly admit to themselves, that they are Fools.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If atheist is being a fool, then Im the greatest fool of all! And proud 2 b ! big_smile

        1. Lady_E profile image81
          Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          My comments stated - "A few Atheists in Forums".
          I don't recall reading any of your posts disrespecting anyone's religion. As stated above, if people don't believe in God, thats Fine. I have Atheists Friends.

          I'm merely referring to the few that are disrespectful to other people's religion and you are not one of them.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Which brings us to the nub  of the discussion.

            You are a christian.

            The bible says I am a fool.

            Yet - I should respect this religion?

    6. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      For some the enlightened one is the greatest fool.
      For some the atheist is the greatest fool.
      For some the man who can only see divinity in his prophet or religion is the greatest fool.

      1. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Which of the three are YOU?

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. aka-dj profile image80
            aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Bad answer! mad
            Idiot was not one of the choices. lol
            Nice poem though. big_smile

            1. mohitmisra profile image59
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile

    7. darkside profile image80
      darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The greatest fool is the one who thinks he can win an argument on the internet.

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        Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well put, Darkside.  And the second greatest fool is one who thinks he can win any argument, period.

    8. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why this obsession with comparative folly? I am interested in the greatest writers, artists, musicians, philosophers, scientists, explorers, athletes, sportsmen, chefs, winemakers, etc, etc.

      Leave the fools to their folly, whatever the nature of it. We have nothing to learn from fools.

  2. profile image0
    dennisemattposted 7 years ago

    C. people who believe they can force their ideals and beliefs down someone else's throat.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agree !

    2. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ding ding ding, I think you own the thread with "c". Less ignorance and more acceptance. Except for acceptance of ignorance.

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agree 100%

    4. Dangazzm profile image68
      Dangazzmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ill sign this one, I am a christian but I WILL NOT even talk about my religion unless specifically asked what I believe and why I believe it just like the Bible says we should do.

      Although I question the Bible all of the time just because I want to prepare myself if someone was to question me... I sort of lost interest over the years I just leave it like it is and try not to get into arguments like these in person because they can get kind of heated for some strange reason...

  3. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Sometimes Ive been guilty of both ,but Id rather be a thought a fool for Christ than for anything less..

  4. profile image58
    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Only the Athiest can lose !

    1. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Got a question for ya, bc. When you're doing all this alter-ego stuff, you use two browsers, cos you obviously cant keep signing in and signing out every time. That would be a lot of work. Or are you just weird like that, man? smile

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        CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It creates an interest my friend in an otherwords boring forum full of some really crappy topics. Of course I am using 2 browsers but am actually using 5 at this moment.

        As for a lot of work this is just a few seconds of light entertainment from what I am actually doing. I wouldnt call myself weird because as I have said before over 25 top hubbers have alter-egos, I just like to make mine public because I don't care a monkeys about the thoughts of others. I mean do you really think I would lose sleep over what you think about me, get real !

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yea its like playing dress-ups lol

          1. profile image58
            CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Lol don't even go there smile

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ok just stay outta my closet lol

        2. fierycj profile image85
          fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why so insecure, homes. You gonna throw another tantrum, threaten to leave and then apologize and come back again. What a melodramatic queen, you are, badcompany. Lol.

          1. profile image61
            badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As I recall my drama queen friend I actually talked you one night to actually shut up before you got yerself kicked off the site because you were overreacting like a big child so please don't lecture me with BS that you do yerself. At least I know I am doing it, so as I say think back my friend or has yer memory conventiently forgotten that night ?

            1. fierycj profile image85
              fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry, dont keep tabs. But you're welcome to post the link, though. You know, jar my memory. Lol. Yes, I do put on a bit of drama in here. But Its not to be compared with yours. I mean, whether you care to admit it or not, you've lost a lot of respect in here, people just dont hold you in high esteem as they did anymore, and it might take sometime to get it back. But of course, you dont care what people think, do you? smile

              1. AEvans profile image70
                AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Boys!!!! Naughty, naughty no arguing stop digging at each other and respect each other or take the boxing match outside the ring. Both of you are highly respected one is not better then another so slow the testosterone down and learn from each other, no go out and play. big_smile

                1. fierycj profile image85
                  fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes ma'am. *grabs his bball and dunks it* seriously though, Jules. BC is my man, I like the guy, he's a humorous son of a gun, but once he loses his humour, he's not so much fun. Just angry and insecure. I know he's better than that. smile

                  1. AEvans profile image70
                    AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    He is and so are you if you read some of his articles you will find out what is really going on in his life. He is a great man and we only have to be supportive, enough said go off and read. I am certain he also admires you. smile

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                badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The night you were arguing with Mark Knowles and he made a complete fool of you then you went off on one. Both myself and Brenda Scully managed to calm you down. I bring my drama on, as when I say I am leaving I am not, it's an act but hey you wouldnt know about acting or would you Mr future Holywood Director. Of course I lost some peoples respect that night but most unlike you have moved on. I don't care what you think for sure and to be honest most of your comments after mine mainly now consist of the same old alter-ego weirdo crap.

                Talking of respect, I have lost any I ever had for you. I once said there is nobody on here I dislike but for you I will make an exception. In future let's just ignore each other on here, unless you have a thing for me !

                1. fierycj profile image85
                  fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Is that still part of the drama?  smile

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        dennisemattposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I can have two seperate windows open,both logged in as me. So I imagine, you could log in as a diff user too? I have done this, to try and keep up with forums in one window, and do hubs in another. I bet you could even have 3 alter egos!!!  wink

  5. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I think that a fool is anyone that does not know what he/she  believes in or why they believe in it. They just do because SOMEBODY told them to. I think that there are as many athiest as there are because us bible thumping Christians are setting an example that is not worth following. We cain't even agree as to what the true is,  so what makes us think that we can "Teach" a nonbeliever to believe like us when as a whole we don't know what that is, or why. When we point at someone calling them a fool there are three fingers pointing back at ourselves.

    1. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      and thats the whole truth

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes ! smile

  6. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    we are all fools in the eyes of God! That's why  he created us, to have a Big Laugh lol

    1. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. Ha ha ha I imagine how dumb and foolish we must always seem, even now arguing in a pc forum, I bet he's shaking the celestial temples with the Boom! Of His kadosh laughter!

  7. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Boom !?... It sounded like a fire cracker to me big_smile

  8. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    AMAZING!!!
    How Foolish to Believe that YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SOLD...

    CJ Refers to the Power of the Scriptures.
    Yes... The Power of Words is immense.

    How Best to SELL the words?
    Who would be the ones to target that Sale to?
    Are You Not Attempting to SELL HERE?

    THE OLDEST PROFESSION - Selling.
    The Art (Skills) of Selling = How one puts their message across!

    The ORIGINAL BIBLE was incomplete and as such required new words to be added to enable it to be suitable for sale!
    It ALSO REQUIRED TRANSLATION so that:

    (A) Could be understood by potential purchasers of it
    (B) Could be promoted to FOOLS, WISEMEN & PUBLISHERS
    (C) Could be sufficiently ambiguous to handle any Sales Objection
    (D) Could be an ILLUSTRATION of the POWER OF WORDS (Alone).

    ONLY A FOOL WOULD DISAGREE THAT: As mere people of various cultures, languages, intellect and education... HISTORY SHOWS THAT: We are destined to Never ACCURATELY INTERPRETE the Words of Others in the CONTEXT OF THE WRITER. hmm

    Is that Not Why We Write?
    OR Are Some Driven Only To Sell?

    The Arrogant Believer (either way)IS the Fool.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Arrogance and/or Ignorance has to be the biggest block to any communication IMO

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    I am just as repulsed if not highly irritated by certain scripture spamming people.

    That same scripture is for everyone ,not just believers,although yes, their are many who beleive they are somehow exempt..lol

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ah - now we are back to you making fun of me for not subscribing to your irrational beliefs. So - back to the question you have once again avoided.

      Do you believe every word in the bible?

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Making fun of you ?

        I am not asking you to subscribe to anything.

  10. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0006.gif

    1. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Stop trying to BS a BSer lol

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What is a BS ?A Big Saviour ?.. yikes ...Oh!. .. thank you ! big_smile

  11. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I just posted this in another thread.  I think it fits well in this thread too.


    For verse 17 think of the plagues of Egypt when Pharaoh wouldn't let His people go.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Quite right - I have been contacted by quite a few people who have thanked me for helping them deal with the cognitive dissonance they were facing trying to reconcile an irrational belief system with the facts.

      When you think about it - a god just makes no sense. They feel better in themselves and I am happy to have helped them. big_smile

  12. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Sir Mark... You are a god in the eyes of so many! lol

  13. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    It sounds like we are all fools.  This reminds me of the joke about the guy that says to the priest, "I'd attend the services but they are filled with hypocrites."

    The priest replies, "Well there is always room for one more." smile

  14. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I think it is okay for them to disagree.  People expressing their divergent opinions is what makes the world go round smile.  People always having to agree is sort of milk toast boring.

  15. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    He is not insecure and you are not insecure.  I just thought the two of you were bantering.  Sometimes when people agree too much that concerns me because I think they are compromising their true thoughts such to look conciliatory smile.

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      badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am insecure, I will give him that but it went beyond banter and that is my last word on this topic. But cheers SP and AE, I can only agree I have lost respect on here and yes I am insecure, does that make me an alien, nooo, it makes me honest and just another human being, no more than that !

      1. fierycj profile image85
        fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I've got my flaws too. Hey, I'm a Mindless relentless! Dude, quit being such a dame about this and grab a beer. You still gonna give me the silent treatment in here, huh? You still da man, BC. You know it. I know it. So quit f***ing around! smile

        1. profile image61
          badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nahhhh course not ya big dipstick I wud miss yer damn banter, jeeez why do you think I picked a female alter-ego, because I am a big dame, no hard feelings on my part man. Lets just forget it ok !

          1. fierycj profile image85
            fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            my man! Now you're talking! Now you're talking! You like Jack, BC? Drinks on me...http://liebchen11.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/jack_daniels.jpg

      2. AEvans profile image70
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        smile (((Big Hug)))

  16. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    All humans have insecurities, and each of us show these in different ways.  Life is just way too short for us to take this all too seriously smile.

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      badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am not taking it seriously, I am in future just ignoring a hubber on a website !

      1. fierycj profile image85
        fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aww shucks, dude. sad

        1. SweetiePie profile image85
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think that is my fault for saying no one should take it seriously.  I guess you both were just having fun.  Sorry for getting involved.

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            badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No don't be silly I am glad you came into it, you made me step back and think, both you and AE of course. But hey tis only 615pm here and I can't even blame the drink for my arguing, oh well that's entertainment for ya smile

            1. SweetiePie profile image85
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hope you have a nice dinner.  Everyone on this site wants people to look at their hubs or they would never write here smile.

  17. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    You should both star in a movie together smile.

    1. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You kill me, woman. smile

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    badcompany99posted 7 years ago

    Lol Cheers my man, the BC is off out but am glad we ended on a good drink, enjoy yer night my friend smile

    1. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You too, gotta recharge and do some writing. Later, homes! *peace sign*

    2. fierycj profile image85
      fierycjposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You too, gotta recharge and do some writing. Later, homes! *peace sign*

  19. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I think the both of you are just trying to get people to look at your Hubs. smile

    Cool photo

    http://z.hubpages.com/u/1368277_f260.jpg

    I guess it worked. smile

  20. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Yep, I didn't say there was anything wrong with it SweetiePie. smile

  21. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I know you did not smile.

  22. waynet profile image49
    waynetposted 7 years ago

    People who start religious debate forum threads like this could be high up in the fool stakes...oh and Jesus too, his long beard just looked so foolish, perhaps the biggest fools are those who choose to believe fantastical stories as fact....

    Religion is so old school, why don't we come up with something else that everyone can worship without hate and all that "my Gods bigger than yours" cack!

    I'd happily worship a games console that played many different games throughout the year...ahh yes that sounds much better....

  23. Jess Killmenow profile image59
    Jess Killmenowposted 7 years ago

    I confess.  I am the greatest fool.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You don't have to. We all know lol

  24. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Thanks Lady E!  You know I'm a joker, don't u? big_smile

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      CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I still think yer the greatest fool though smile

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          sad (weeping ) sad

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          CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's a compliment ya crazy fool !

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              WHY CAN'T ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT I AM A J.O.K.E.R.!! °° lol   And i love you both BC & GB lol

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              CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We know you are a joker, who else but a joker or a fool would even be on this damn thread ?

    2. Lady_E profile image81
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      < smiling and waving at yah > wink

  25. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Yeah!!  So what r u doing here ? Following me ? big_smile

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      CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I prefer to call it stalking, makes me sound more creepy than I am and with my alter-ego I can follow you on two threads. But I see tonight boredom seems to rule the forums as Religion takes over and the same old crap is poured out.

      Why people air their religious beliefs is beyond me to be honest, me I actually do believe in God but having lived in Belfast through the troubles and seen people die in the name of Religion I don't really care what they do or don't believe in.

      To be honest I think some use it as some sort of twisted game just to wind really decent people up and think they are both smart and clever in doing so, I find it pathetic !

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thi is a religion forum, CG ,where religion is aired. .if it smells bad,...I'm sorry. It's not me. And yes, it's pathetic, but  I think it's funny as well. You know mw lol

        1. profile image58
          CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am sure if you were bundled into a car at 19 years old, hooded, driven into the woods and shot twice through the head because you were not of the same religion that would be funny but for some reason as it was a friend of mine I just couldnt raise a laugh that day. Religion stinks and is resonsible for most wars and even on here responsible for most heated arguments and the really funny thing is most religious people are total hypocrites. Anyway rant over !

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't think I deserve this rant ! It could have been enough with a tantrum ! smile

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              CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It wasn't aimed at you my friend, just religion in general is a really sore point with me which is why you rarely find me in it discussing it, am out of this relgious forum now !

  26. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    A basic description of who I think God is.
    I believe in a higher being than my self. this would be kinda arrogant to think that after millions of years that the universe has been in existence that mankind is the top of the totem pole.
    I also believe that this higher being has communicated with mankind  (Adam and Abraham etc). Abraham called this higher power God. God gave us the 10 commandments as good advice as to how everyone should stay out of trouble while enjoying life to the fullest.
    We didn't follow that advise very well.
    I believe that God developed a new plan to help us out, he unselfishly sacrificed a part of himself to benefit more of us. God created all things, bugs and the birds that eat them, and eagles that eat the rabbits and birds. The rabbit thinks that the eagle is evil
    God created good and evil.
    GOD  CREATED  LIFE  and death.  and left the middle part up to us. I believe that he created many doors to go through when we die, and something behind those doors.  I do not think that this description should anger anyone. All that I did was to leave off the window dressing, We can dress him up however we want to and he will still be who he is
    ..the Great ..I AM ...

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That has a lot of truth in it. I hope people can understand you smile

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I may be the biggest fool I think I may have been on the wrong thread sorry

  27. waynet profile image49
    waynetposted 7 years ago

    ??

  28. Davinagirl3 profile image62
    Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago

    The true "fool" is the person who refuses to see the other person's perspective.  A "fool" doesn't take the time to ask him/herself why he/she believes what he/she believes.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And that is what most people do, regretfully

  29. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    me... for posting on this thread lol

  30. LVM profile image54
    LVMposted 7 years ago

    Any, of both.  They become fools when they become fanatics.

  31. Jerami profile image76
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    realy am sorry thought I was on the define god thread, I got stupid

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't have to apologize. you're welcome here if you want to have a laugh big_smile

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thanks I need a laff

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It lookslike nobody's laughing now. Everyone became seriousssss. Sorry smile

          1. Jerami profile image76
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            don't do that on my acount. I like fun but too slow typing to keep up though. and can't remember any jokes right now.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol I'm not doing anything ! Everyonebecame serious all of a sudden. Better if you go to your threads and checked them. C u later smile !

              1. Jerami profile image76
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                gotcha

  32. profile image0
    Ghost32posted 7 years ago

    I have no clue if either one is a fool, but this thread did remind me of a fascinating occurrence from early 1973 in Spokane, Washington.

    My second wife and I had just recently hooked up.  She (Carolyn) worked as a secretary for a boat trailer manufacturer, as did her friend (Gloria).  They were hard at work one morning when what we euphemistically called a Jesus Freak walked through the front door.  This young man immediately demanded to know if they believed in God. 

    Rather than call Security to throw him out so they could get back to work, they politely told him:

    Gloria:  "I'm an atheist.  God doesn't exist."

    Carolyn:  "I'm a Christian.  I also believe astrology has validity."

    The erstwhile follower of the God of Love exploded.  He verbally attacked...no, not the atheist, but the avowed Christian who DARED to include (gasp!) that ol' Devil ASTROLOGY (choke! wheeze!) in her box of mental concepts. 

    Go figure.

    1. Dangazzm profile image68
      Dangazzmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I chuckled from this one, I hate that people get their religion all mixed up. You are also not supposed to pass judgement on others but look at the satanist man we did that! just kidding, but seriously I like the idea of astrology, numerology ETC. They are kind of cool and interesting

  33. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Those who base their beliefs on a literal reading of the bible.

    "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."   Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    1. Dangazzm profile image68
      Dangazzmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

      29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

      Please you need to use King James Version as the New King James Version or whatever you used looses it meaning as there cannot be a direct translation as such.

      This was written for a time in which that was a punishment befitting for the crime while right now... not so much, also you remember women were property and did not have any real rights as a human being so this was payment to the father for TAKING his daughter but I understand people not wanting to accept this being in the Bible

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The meaning and morals remain the same, no matter which version you choose to read, and the bible is full of such instructions! smile

    2. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It sounds like a good deterrent for "fornication". Of course, it is widely acceptable in our society today.
      Try a few quotes from the lips of Jesus. You seem to be stuck in the OT.

  34. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Not at all stuck in the OT. smile The NT is not much better although they cut back on some of the fire and brimstone. smile

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ye, but it does have "Hellfire", but that's different. big_smile

  35. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    How about all the lies Jesus told for starters?

    Here's one!
    And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen.  "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."  (Matthew 21:21-22
    How about getting that mountain to move believers? Feeling up to it? smile

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I doubt you can call that statement a lie. It's a conditional directive, using the word "if", you have (that level of faith).
      Why would I want to move the mountain anyway. I like them where they are. Perhaps to prove something? Nah, don't have anything to prove. cool

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OK, I like that one smile here is another.

        Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.  For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.  (Matthew 7:7-8

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You can preach to me like this all day. I LOVE this stuff. One of my favorite (promises) for praying.
          You ought to try it sometime. SERIOUSLY!

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            been there, done that, then I started to read wider. SERIOUSLY! smile

            1. aka-dj profile image80
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The mind is an amazing "machine". It will grow stronger in whatever you feed into it. (I know you know that stuff). So, it is up to each person to "filter" what they put into it. The old GIGO principle applies here.
              That's why I am ok with other's beliefs (or lack of) because they are each responsible for their own lives. I am not responsible for others, nor are they accountable to me. (did I express all that OK?) big_smile

      2. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        If you don't have anything to prove - why are you always arguing your case?

        And if you can actually prove it - like it says you can in the bible - why hasn't any one ever done so? wink

        Could it be because the bible is lying? Seems a logical answer to me.

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'd have to write hub on answering these points of yours.(it would be too long to put into a forum post.)
          The short answer is I really enjoy the "discussion", and challenging other's beliefs. Or lack of! big_smile

  36. discounthosting profile image60
    discounthostingposted 7 years ago

    This question may be the worst question that could possibly be asked...how can you classify the beliefs of people into fools and not fools? Belief systems are relative just like space and time. There is no right or wrong answer because it all depends on what you judge as proof and proof is relative as well. It's a stupid question that can't be answered. And yet here people are trying to answer them. May I ask why?

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure you can, your new here, smile

      1. discounthosting profile image60
        discounthostingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It seems like there are a lot of christians in this discussion and perhaps vocally on hubpages...where are the jews, muslims, buddhists, hindus, etc... voicing their opinion? And yes I am new and don't usually speak up but this topic prompted me to. smile

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Time will reveal all. Believe me, they too are here. And some much weirder beliefs too. Trust me. Well, even if you don't, you will find out for yourself.
          PS, put on your "thick skin" if you are touchy, because it can seem a bit rough sometimes.
          If you are interested, I have written a short hub on that. smile

        2. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good you are having your say, and I must say that apart from 3 extremist Muslims and a couple of Jews, that seems to be a fare assessment. smile The extremists are easy to spot, they have no hubs, no profiles and less credibility! smile

    2. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In time, "all shall be revealed my son". big_smile

  37. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    It takes time and education, but we can decide to read broadly once we understand how much there is to know, and I am talking outside of religion. smile
    You did put your reply in a more acceptable form. smile

  38. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Religion!!! Worst thing ever invented!!!

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Aka, you know I agree it is bad, but what is worse is when religionists replies are assumptive. smile You may notice that most atheists only reply to assumptive statements that are exclusive or inclusive. smile

      1. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Partially agreed. big_smile
        If I were to say, "God loves you" (all inclusive) as a positive comment, it seems to attract either no response, or some off the wall, "yea RIGHT... what about such-n-such?" attacks.
        I have copped a lot of abusive comments no matter the intent was neutral, or positive.
        My observation has been that people read posts through their own emotional lenses, and see things there that are not.

  39. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    All I can say is that is like telling me the tooth fairy loves me!  smile I do not believe, not at all, I do not believe even a bit. smile It is meaningless to speak of a god, when the sources of those beliefs are so terribly wrong in my view. The old and new testament, the Quoran and all the other tomes speak of a psychotic murderous entity offering endless threats and punishments, the same tactics used against the ignorant till this day in many countries by the churches. It makes me sad to see. smile

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly my point. You bring to the table all your prejudices, and filter the words on the screen accordingly.
      Your rejection of God, or anything related, is deemed tooth fairy stuff. And is actually totally reasonable, and expected.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        See ernest - you are just showing your prejudices. It is not possible that you gave it serious consideration and made a rational decision. wink

        Which is just a nice way of telling you that you are a fool. Which is a little difficult to stomach from some one who rejects scientific evidence as not having enough "proof." lol

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

    2. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, I see. You edited the post while I was writing. big_smile
      Thanks for toning down you anger, and only using the word "sad".
      Hey, you believed as you do, long before I came along, and you may continue ,long after we "part company". Don't get mad at me for believing what you reject. cool

  40. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    And what about the points I have made? Are they "just my prejudices" I may have some different understanding, but I have read your religious sources, you may not have seen what I base my information on, yet you pre judge? smile

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Basically, yes they are. Because the same writings (points as you call them) do not have the same impact on me. You certainly high lite certain themes from (mostly OT) scripture. I see these through "different eyes".
      But having said that, how many friends or relatives, close to you has religion killed, or destroyed?
      It's like blaming all Germans, for what Nazi's did in  WW2. Or holding all whites, for what redneck KKK did to African Americans.
      Bring it closer to home. You are to blame for all the Aborigines being dispossessed, killed and stolen. etc.
      I think that's caller racism, or prejudice. hmm

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you calling me a racist because I live in Australia? smile

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          NO!, because I don't hold you (personally, or this current generation) responsible for the actions of the past. We have moved past that. So, also, the quotes you use from the OT, are PAST, and not relevant for the current generation.
          But thank you for re-inforcing my statement about reading through your own prejudices. You obviously read accusation into example. big_smile

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No I did not, I am simply showing you the nature of scripture, but you got that religious glow again. smile And why the reference to the boomerang and the reference to racism?

            1. aka-dj profile image80
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Boomerang? You got me there. What Boomerang.
              Gee whizz man? I used the term racism as a way to give example. Keep it in context. It was used in three different scenarios.
              A lot of Aussies called me a "wog", but I don't hold ALL Ausies guilty of prejudice.
              Am I getting through yet?

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No it appears you are now calling Australians racist. I would be surprised if you were called a wog in Australia, I have not heard that term for ten years. smile The boomerang comment was from another thread, apologies. smile

  41. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Please read the post again, slowly. I said "I could", (meaning I don't because only some did".
    Well, that goes to show you how long I have lived here. (Much, Much, more than 10yrs). big_smile

  42. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    A few countries at religious war now, (according to Time Magazine, and there are many more. smile
    Nigeria.
    Bosnia
    Lebanon
    Ulster
    Turkey/Cyprus
    Philippines
    Pakistan/India
    just a few. smile

    You have avoided most questions and apart from biblical references you have nothing but your belief and no interest in truth that I can see. smile

  43. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    An Observation.
    You add value when you learn from others. smile

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Boy, here I thought it was when we gave something away. hmm
      I am learning new things all the time big_smile

  44. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    An observation

    dj already has all the answers he needs. wink

    Soon he will add some links to the massive amount of archeological proof that confirms the bible - but was not discovered or faked by a religionist. lol

    I have only ever found one reference to jesus outside the bible. Yet the "fact" of his existence is accepted and they even claim it is proven by outside sources. Where are these sources exactly?

  45. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Reference to Jesus outside the Bible;
    http://www.israelect.com/reference/Will … ahshua.htm

    Flavus Josephus
    Antiquities of the Jews
    Pliny the Younger
    Tacitus
    Maimonides
    Mara Bar-Scrapion
    Lacian of Samosata
    The Babylonian Talmud
    The Nag Hammadi Library
    Pilate's report to Caesar

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOLO - Most of these are written by religionists.

      Got any actual evidence - you know - the historical proof that dj was talking about - most of these are pieced together scribblings that are in dispute because they were doctored to suit by the religionist that "discovered," them. There are even a couple of guys currently awaiting trial in Egypt for forging references onto ancient artifacts.

      Deary me - you guys are desperate.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Isnt that exactly what evolutionist do , dig up pardon the pun , and talk about what they know ? or think ,or guess ,or predict based on  maybe , or ? and nothing more.
        Cant say Ive heard an atheist attribute creation to God

        lol lol

  46. Make  Money profile image73
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Not from the Christian religion Mark

    Flavus Josephus - Jewish source.
    Antiquities of the Jews - Jewish source.
    Pliny the Younger - lawyer, author, and magistrate of Ancient Rome.
    Tacitus - senator and a historian of the Roman Empire.
    Maimonides - Rabbi, Jewish source.
    Mara Bar-Scrapion - Syriac writer, non-Jewish, non-Christian.
    Lacian of Samosata - Assyrian rhetorician
    The Babylonian Talmud - Jewish source
    The Nag Hammadi Library - Gnostic Gospels
    Pilate's report to Caesar - Roman governor to Roman Emperor.

    It's nice that you believe at least one of these sources.  That means you are progressing.  God bless ya

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The man named Jesus existed. It's silly to deny that. The thing is, Was he the Son  of God ?  I think this is what atheist want you to prove smile

      And I'm not begining an argument. Only saying smile

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The athiest wouldnt believe it if Jesus were standing right in front of them claiming to be the son of God.
        They didnt then ,they dont now!

        Nothing really new.

      2. Make  Money profile image73
        Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are right tantrum, it's silly to deny that the historical Jesus existed.  Thanks for recognizing that. smile

        We can't prove anything to anyone that does not want to see it.  They have to see it themselves.

        But as long as atheists keep coming, Christians will keep trying to show them.  The fact that atheists keep coming makes you wonder whether they are questioning themselves.  Maybe in reality they are agnostic instead of atheist.  That's progress.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not really make money. I am an atheist. I am just trying to stop the spread of hatred you guys continue to do. Maybe then we can become what we are capable of? Who knows - it is worth a try.

          I have lots of people every week who write to me thanking me for helping them let go of their irrational beliefs.

          Nice to see you coming back and slowly seeing that your beliefs are false. I know you keep coming here to learn,. eventually the blinkers will be removed and you will see what a mistake you have made.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol don't mean to interrupt, but now you are confusing me. I asked if you were atheist and you said no, thats just what people term you and you called me a fool for assuming you were an atheist. I think I got lost somewhere.

  47. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 7 years ago

    The fools are the people who don't know the difference between what they know and what they believe.

    It's easy believe anything that is convenient or makes you feel better in the short term. To genuinely know something is a life's labour.

  48. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    My opinion is that  60% of christians  don't believe really in  The Bible And God / Jesus, and that 60% Atheist are afraid as hell of not believing in anything. That's the reason of all  these arguments.

  49. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Lost in the religion forum, where everything is possible ! LOL!

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol maybe it was divine intervention for me to get lost.

  50. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    Why do so many desire a title, believer or non-believer?

 
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