RESOLVED: Pinterest temporarily blocked HubPages

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   melbelposted 11 years ago

   http://www.pinterest.com/source/hubpages.com/
   
   Looks like there are no hubs on Pinterest (I noticed no Pinterest traffic today and had to investigate.)
   
   Hubs are no longer pinnable.
   
   I wish hubbers wouldn't spam social networks. :\

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      MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'm still getting pintrest traffic...

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         Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I have a very small amount of visitors, but any pins to do with hubpages have been removed and can't pin anyone's or mine.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            All of mine are still there.  Have you been making quite a few pins lately, all from HP?

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               melbelposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I seldom pin. One of my hubs gets pinned like crazy, but not by hubbers (that I know of.) I just noticed mine were gone so I check the hp domain and it looked like theirs were gone. Tried to pin a hub to see what would happen and no dice.

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               Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Hi Wilderness, I just had a look at your Pinterest to clarify and can't see any from Hubpages on there. I assume you had some? I think that your browser might be storing an old cached page. If you delete history, then you can see that hubpages pins are missing (if you had any). I deleted my history today for some other item and that's why I was able to see the missing pins so quickly.
               
               I think it is a sitewide block, not individual subdomains....

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                  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You are correct.  I didn't bother to open the boards, just looked at the thumbnails and assumed there were pins behind them.  There are not.
                  
                  Unfortunately, when this happened before all the pins that disappeared were not restored.  Everything started from scratch.
                  
                  If it goes that way again, I will not be pinning any hubs.  While I get some traffic from them, it isn't a whole lot and not worth the effort to continually fix their errors.

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                     mommytalksposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     ^^^ That is not a true statement. I had over 200k pins on one hub the last time it happened and they were all restored.
                     
                     That's not to say that I am not thoroughly pissed AGAIN!

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               LCDWriterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It looked like mine were there but when I clicked on them, it shows they aren't there.  I hate that.  I only sometimes pin if it is a pinterest worthy topic but it seems really weird that this would happen.  Has it happened before and do the usually get restored?

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                  Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I have been reading and it happened quite awhile ago - a sitewide block. Basically it involves Hubpages staff liaising with Pinterest to find the issue and discuss it. Could be awhile. Let's cross our fingers for them!

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               TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Not really.  I have done some rearranging, some deleting, etc...but I also pin from others, which is evident if you saw my what is on my boards right now.

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      Susana Sposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Me too. So pointless for a handful of hits...
      
      Then they ruin it for everyone else. Grrrrrrr

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   Barbara Kayposted 11 years ago

   I looked and mine are removed too. I got a lot of traffic from there. Darn.

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   Patsybellposted 11 years ago

   Glad you brought this up. I was trying to pin some hubs and couldn't. My older hubs are still on Pinterest but I have no luck pinning anything new.

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      Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Try clearing history in your browser and see if you can still see the old hub pins.....that will clarify if it is sitewide or just certain subdomains. I'm getting the feeling that this is sitewide though, as I went to a few trusty subdomains who take extra care and theirs were missing too.

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      PegCole17posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Me too. Thought it was just me.
      

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   calculus-geometryposted 11 years ago

   Crud.  I recently posted something that started to get about a pin a day, and I hardly ever get something pinned.

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   DzyMsLizzyposted 11 years ago

   Damn!  What a crock of steaming nitrogenous waste material! 
   
   There are PLENTY, and I mean plenty of massive pins from a lot of other sites, and they don't get blocked!!
   And, didn't this happen once before???????
   What, if anything, is HP doing about this?

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      Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe a solution for HP is to restrict pinning to x amount per day or month? I believe it would reduce the ultra spam thing that Pinterest seems to be against. But possibly, there are other reasons for the blockage....we don't know as no reasons are given when trying to pin, when apparently this happened last time, the reason given was spam.
      
      I have to say that traffic hasn't suffered much....yet. However less people seeing hubs will eventually mean less traffic overall, than what could have been gained.

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         mommytalksposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         That might work for YOU ... but I can get 1000 pins a WEEK that *I* have nothing to do with!

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   melbelposted 11 years ago

   It happened before and it was due to hubbers over-pinning their own stuff.
   
   Maybe HubPages could make it so that logged in users can't see the social share buttons so users are less likely to engage in spammy techniques. Not that all hubbers who pin, tweet, fb their own stuff are spammers, but man there are some who go overboard and tweet ONLY hub links (and all their hubs) or pin ONLY hubs and ruin it for the rest of us.

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      Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, it's true that the second time around Pinterest might have less patience for HP. I'm thinking that for everyone who hasn't read or doesn't know the "invisible rules" of not spamming, it might be better to restrict pins per month so that everyone has to do it.
      
      I, for example, did not know that promoting your own stuff was an issue, even in abundance (though I did pin lots of others besides myself, didn't know it was a 10:1 ratio until an hour ago). I should have known. But no one told me, until I researched it. Restricting pins would fix this for anyone like myself who did not know the rules.
      
      HP team, take note of suggestions, they might come in handy!!!

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   ilikegamesposted 11 years ago

   I was just about to get started on the popularity of Pinterest, guess I'll have to put the brakes on for now. Hopefully this is only temporary, it seems to be a big traffic generator for lots of people.

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      Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I hope it's temporary too. Though traffic value from Pinterest is smaller, it plays a valuable part in getting our work out there.

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   Anamika Sposted 11 years ago

   I tried to pin a craft hub , but could not. And now I know why. This is really sad... I really hope the issue is only temporary.

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   WryLiltposted 11 years ago

   I have about 150,000 pins on Pinterest so I certainly hope this gets fixed soon!

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      mommytalksposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      OOooooh - I have WryLilt beat?! I feel so cool! j/k

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         Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         273,000 pins!  That's awesome!

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            jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            How many do I have, Writer Fox? How do you know everything? Do you live in a pen in cyberspace? Awesome.

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         WryLiltposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Great job! Mine is just an estimate - I'd have a max of no more than 200k though I'm guessing.
         
         Well done!

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    Emma Lindhagenposted 11 years ago

    That's funny, I just joined Pintrest today. I guess a pinboard for my hubs is out of the question now, hah! Hopefully I'll figure out other uses for it too. Actually I was looking forward to pinning some of the awesome DIY hubs I've seen here.

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    jansharesposted 11 years ago

    Thanks for the heads up, melbel, I wasn't aware of any rules either, Suzanne Day. I just pinned my latest hub yesterday, I think. I really never understood it but have been using it and getting pinned by others for the last 6 months or so. I might pin twice a month or less, not very active on the site at all. What's the 10:1 ratio? For every 10 pins only one should be your own? Hmm. I can see why they would limit HP.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, it's roughly every 10 pins should be others and 1 for yourself. As I said, didn't know till this evening. Pinterest was working fine yesterday.....let's hope HP team notice and do what they have to do to get it resolved.

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    Glimmer Twin Fanposted 11 years ago

    Oh no, this is not good for my traffic at all.  And I have some older pins that had really gotten some traction and if they are gone, I'll never get that traffic back.  I hope this gets fixed.

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    LongTimeMotherposted 11 years ago

    I have 1K+ pins showing on one of my hubs. Sure wasn't me who pinned it more than 1,000 times. I'm certain it wasn't hubbers pinning either because hp traffic accounts for just a tiny fraction of total traffic to that hub.

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    Autumn Whiteposted 11 years ago

    Till yesterday it was all good but don't know what happened today.. Just hope that it gets fixed soon.

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    mommytalksposted 11 years ago

    Is anyone at HP addressing this? This is the SECOND time it has happened! I have one lone hub with over 273,000 pins (natural, viral)..... I didn't move it when I moved the others because I didn't want to change the URL ... if this can't be fixed, or continues to be a problem, I have no choice!! PIA!

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    SmartAndFunposted 11 years ago

    Hubbers on this thread are saying that it appears their Pinterest accounts have been hacked. Maybe that is the problem this time around?
    
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120043? … ost2541194

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    Glimmer Twin Fanposted 11 years ago

    I have checked and any hub that I have ever pinned from hubpages is gone.  Take a look at the hubpages pinterest account and many of their boards are empty.  Like mommytalk, I get most of my traffic from PInterest and this will really hurt my traffic here.  I also wonder if they do get restored, do they get restored on any/every pinterest account that one of my pins was repinned too.  This is very concerning.

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       Thelma Albertsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Mine are gone, too. I hope it will get fixed. I got a lot of traffics from there.

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    MagKayeposted 11 years ago

    I just don't understand why this has to happen.
    Surely it can only be good to generate more traffic for HubPages itself, and not only for our articles.
    
    Why are we always being screwed for our efforts?

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    jansharesposted 11 years ago

    I checked, too. All of my boards with HP articles are empty. I experimented to see if I could just upload pics of my food onto the boards and it worked. So, at least I can put the images back but that does nothing for getting searchers to click on the recipe! No link to HP, no traffic. Bummer.

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    MagKayeposted 11 years ago

    So I have just managed to go and pin one of my hubs again. I wonder how long it will stay up.
    
    All my previous pins from HP were gone. Perhaps this was a technical glitch and has now been fixed.
    Has anyone else managed to pin anything in the last hour or so?
    
    If anyone feels like going and checking to see if you can see my pin, my pinterest name is Maggie Kaye. I posted something onto my fertility board.
    
    Mag.
    
    Edit: Well, shit. It just leads to a pic, not the hub page. Suckage.

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       jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yup, no go.

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          MagKayeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for looking. See my comment a bit further down here- I think I have found a suitable problem-fixer. For now.

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    Millionaire Tipsposted 11 years ago

    It doesn't make sense to me that they would block the whole site because one or two pinners are spamming.  Why not simply block those pinners? .

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       Glimmer Twin Fanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed Millionaire Tips

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       Susana Sposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It won't be one or two spammers, it'll be thousands. There are a few in this thread! Which is why it would be enough of a problem for Pinterest to do something about.
       
       No site likes spam.

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    jansharesposted 11 years ago

    We've been banned. How awful.

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       MagKayeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Sucks. I was getting so much traffic from people repinning a few of my hubs. :-/

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    MagKayeposted 11 years ago

    Until this is sorted out with HP, there might be a way around it.
    What I did was open one of my made-for-Pinterest images and copy the image URL.
    I pasted that URL into my new pin on Pinterest, and the pin then shows just the image.
    In the comments/caption section beneath the image, I said a short blurb about it and then posted a link to the actual article.
    When you click on the link, it takes you to the Hub page.
    
    Et voila.

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       jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Brilliant, will try later.

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       moonlakeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I tried this and it worked so we will see how long our pin stays up.

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    LongTimeMotherposted 11 years ago

    lol. To think just one week ago hp was excited about celebrities pinning hubs. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/119846
    
    I'm just waiting, hoping they'll miraculously be reinstated. Can't imagine why they would want to ban original photos.

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    FatFreddysCatposted 11 years ago

    (shrugs) I gave Pinterest a try and never got much traffic from it, so I haven't used it in a while. Bummer for those of you who got a lot of views from it though.

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    modern housewifeposted 11 years ago

    Wow! So is the problem people pinning mostly only their down stuff or pinning their same article many times? I did not realize that it was a problem to pin mostly my own stuff.  I had read several articles talking about how great pinterest is for promoting your blog and I just started using it so I haven't spent a lot of time on it yet, except for pinning my articles.  I agree, couldn't pinterest just block users who spam the site?
    
    I really hope hubpages is able to work with pinterest to resolve this problem.

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    CloudExplorerposted 11 years ago

    I'll go head up and check my Pinterest right now. Will brb to tell the epic tale

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    CloudExplorerposted 11 years ago

    Yupper all my Hubpages pins and group related pins of cool Hubbers who teamed up on a cool board or two are gone!
    
    I know I never ever spammed Pinterest, and hope those who have done so would have been penalized, not all of us. That's not fair and for all of Hubpages to get hit for such a violation is preposterous in my honest opinion, I hope its some glitch!

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       randomcreativeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I agree. I don't know why Pinterest doesn't ban certain users instead of penalizing everyone.

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    moonlakeposted 11 years ago

    My pins are gone and on my Google analytics it shows I have 0 visitor for yesterday and I did have visitor because I saw them. I always watch my analytics so something strange is going on.

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       jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That happened with GA the week before last so that is likely a glitch. It will probably straighten out a few hours or less. I think I posted a forum on it, "Google Analytics Glitch?" under technical problems.

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    ChristinSposted 11 years ago

    I'll just quit hubbing then.  My traffic is in the toilet, because the bulk of my traffic comes from a few hubs that regularly go viral on Pinterest.  My traffic is less than half of what it normally is and it was reaching all time highs - thanks to Pinterest, but some people can't grasp the concept of not spamming.  It's very irritating.

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       randomcreativeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If HubPages cannot resolve this situation in a timely manner, I may think about walking as well. A significant portion of my traffic comes from Pinterest. More importantly, a significant portion of my passive writing income comes from HubPages. If I can't rely on this site anymore, then I need to take my content elsewhere.

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    RonElFranposted 11 years ago

    A google search took me to websitewithnoname dot com which has the headline, "Pinterest Bans HubPages! Is it all about Money?" They speculate that Pinterest wanted a cut from all its traffic to HP and HP said no. There's nothing to show if this "Pinterest Bans HubPages" is just their conclusion because HP is down on Pinterest, or if they actually have some official info.

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       Writer Foxposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It's not about money at all.  Pinterest doesn't make any money; the site is not monetized.  They are building traffic and have secured mega investor funds.  They have yet to post ads or even try to earn income from the site.

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    DeborahNeyensposted 11 years ago

    I am wondering if Hubpages staff will be weighing in on this issue any time soon. I got a decent amount of traffic from Pinterest but what I'm really bummed about is that I used Pinterest as a way to organize and easily find all the recipes, craft ideas, writing tips, etc. that I discovered by reading other people's hubs. Now all of that information is gone.

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       randomcreativeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm really frustrated about that, too, Deb. Pinterest has been my primary means of bookmarking sites for several years now. As I'm on HubPages nearly every day, it's only natural that I pin a lot of content from the site. Losing all of that would be a huge blow.

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          Victoria Lynnposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, this is awful. If the problem is rectified, will our pins be restored, or will we have to start again from scratch? I've pinned hubs for a few years now, and losing them all would be a HUGE blow.

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    mary615posted 11 years ago

    If my memory, ha,ha, serves me right, the same thing happened about a year ago.  I think the reason was so many Hubbers were pinning their own stuff (spamming), so Pinterest stopped allowing us to Pin.  That lasted for a short time, then we were once again allowed to Pin.  Maybe this will be temporary.

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    Paul Edmondsonposted 11 years ago

    I am reaching out to Pinterest and will try to resolve the issue. Thanks for reporting it.

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       ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you Paul! So many of us don't abuse the system and really depend on the traffic that Pinterest gives us.

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    Ghaelachposted 11 years ago

    Have just opened my Pinterest HP board and have 6 HP hubs there. Three of which I have since deleted from HP and three still at HP.

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    Act 3posted 11 years ago

    Glad to know HP is looking into this! I got my first big traffic boost when somebody else pinned one of my hubs; it took off from there. I'm careful not to pin many of my own hubs. Limiting the number seems like a good idea.

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       sallybeaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Most of mine have gone too - still a few images from the hubs but no actual links to any hubs - such a shame, I had quite a lot of views from Pinterest - views have gone down in the last two days - guess that might be the problem.

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    Victoria Lynnposted 11 years ago

    Such a bummer. Like Deb said, I use Pinterest to organize recipes and writing tips, mainly. I get a lot of traffic from there, too. Thanks, Paul, for looking into this.

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    ologsinquitoposted 11 years ago

    Thank you so much Paul. I try to pin judiciously.

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    randomcreativeposted 11 years ago

    Paul, please keep us informed on the latest happenings with this situation. Many HubPages writers pin responsibly and rely on our Pinterest traffic for income. We deserve to be kept in the loop on this type of situation.

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    Paul Edmondsonposted 11 years ago

    We were able to get a response from Pinterest's community team that the block has been reversed, but it will take up to 24 hours for search results for HubPages.com to appear again.

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       Victoria Lynnposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yay! So does that mean that the hubs they pulled will be restored? Did they tell you why they did it? Spammers?

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       jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you, Paul. You dah Man!

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          TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Just checked and all pins have returned!!! YAAYY

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             jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Ding Dong . . .

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          ChristinSposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, agreed thanks so much!

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       ologsinquitoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you so much. I'm sure we'll all be very careful and become active members of the Pinterest community, instead of just pinners.

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       LuisEGonzalezposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       It would help if their concerns about HP are shared with us

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          Marcy Goodfleischposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Luis - this happened once before, and was also resolved at that time. I think we have numerous people who overload Pinterest with hubs and aren't real active in sharing other interesting things. So, we all end up suffering.

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             randomcreativeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I agree that we all end up suffering because of a handful of people. I also agree that the communication on this issue needs to be better on both sides.

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             LuisEGonzalezposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             That'ts what I thought. I for example, pin articles for others at a ratio of 10:1 in their favor so I do not appear as abusing it.

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                SmartAndFunposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                I also wish they would tell us if this is why HP was blocked this time. If it was caused by people abusing Pinterest, the abusers will never stop if they don't know what they did to cause the block. I wonder if there was some other issue this time.

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       sallybeaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you so much Paul - good job done!!  Have a great week-end.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Paul, I certainly am educated about the 10:1 thingy now!!! Much appreciated.

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       Barbara Kayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Paul for all the work you and your team do.

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       Just Ask Susanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you Paul!

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       Emma Lindhagenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       that's fantastic, thanks a bunch!

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        Rosie2010posted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you so much, Paul.  You rock!!!!

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        Thelma Albertsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you very much Paul. It´s fantastic. Hurrah!

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    Glimmer Twin Fanposted 11 years ago

    Thank you so much!!!!!  Phew!

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    DeborahNeyensposted 11 years ago

    Great news! Thanks, Paul.

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    janderson99posted 11 years ago

    Yes, a Great and Fast resolution. Thanks Paul!

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    ForLoveofCupcakesposted 11 years ago

    Wow what I relief! I just finished reading this thread and was so discouraged but thrilled to see the issue has been resolved!!  :-)

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       Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Hey! I went to your page for a little cupcake porn and what did I find? Not one cupcake.

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    Paul Edmondsonposted 11 years ago

    I asked why it happened, but didn't get specifics.

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       paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe they changed their mind as to their original intentions...

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       Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Tell them I want a free puppy.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe it was just an intern error or something.

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          paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Actually, Beth's puppy got loose and stepped on the wrong keyboard.

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             Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I hardly recognized you!

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       LuisEGonzalezposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You're my hero.....at least for today..............

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    LongTimeMotherposted 11 years ago

    Thanks, Paul. I would imagine the Pinterest people noticed a huge difference in their stats once all the pinned hubs (and repinned hubs) were removed. Seems to me that hubbers pinning is mutually advantageous for both hp and p.
    
    So, here's a couple of questions.
    
    1)  When I pin hubs from other pinners, is that considered to be 'my' content because we're all from hp?
    
    2)  Do you think that EC hubs might have caused the problem because so many hubs no longer have subdomain references - making hp look spammy?
    
    My biggest problem comes from living off the grid with satellite internet. There's no way I can open and read countless pages looking for other nice pinnable pics to make the 10:1 ratio without pinning from hubs that catch my eye. Would be nice to have some clarification. Thanks.

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       janderson99posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Actually that raises another issue. When hubs were shifted from subs to EC the link URL would have changed. Does that mean that images posted to Pinterest BEFORE the shift to EC will not have broken links? Perhaps there is some redirection tool in place that resolves this??? I would am keen to get this confirmed.
       PS when I built a URL using the sub it redirected to the EC one, so perhaps this is not an issue??????

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          LongTimeMotherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Hi janderson99. When my hubs changed to EC, the pin links remained fine. When I decided to drop EC, my pins reverted back to my subdomain address.
          
          I don't know what would happen if it was EC before being pinned for the first time.

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             IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             It would make no difference. There is a re-drect either way.
             
             Whether or not your hubs are EC, you can still get to them by entering either hubpages.com/hub/exact-hub-url or by username.hubpages.com/hub/exact-hub-url.

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                janderson99posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks, I thought that was the case.
                Cheers,

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    jansharesposted 11 years ago

    Update: Apparantly it looks like it was a glitch after all. Check out Shyron E Shenko's post on this forum thread:
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120057

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    Suzanne Dayposted 11 years ago

    However, I cruised Pinterest a bit today and noticed pins from other sites were missing on my boards too. So the blockage/error obviously happened to quite a few websites.

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    MagKayeposted 11 years ago

    Thanks Paul!

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    The Examiner-1posted 11 years ago

    When I pinned this morning, I noticed that they had added the G+ button. There was probably a delay because of that.

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       Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Good news on that score - I will be G+ ing the best on Pinterest!

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