The Inevitable Demise of Bubblews! Arvind Apologises!
- robertzimmerman2posted 9 years ago
0 I don't think it's necessarily, particularly, "generous in spirit" for someone to want to remain fair. There's the kind of blind benefit-of-the-doubt that makes people just think all is now well and all will be great from here on. Then there's the kind of benefit-of-the-doubt that reserves judgment, drastic actions/assumptions, but also remains cautious enough for the "benefit-giver" to watch out for himself and his own interests as well.
A lot of people on that site have a very legitimate gripe (although I imagine a lot of others contributed to the making of the problem in the first place and in one way or another). As far as who invested what in whom/what, or what the pay set-up on there was, I don't know enough about all that. The site looked like a big "horror show" to me when I first signed up; but I think detecting "baloney" may have been easier when the site was simpler. I can't help but think once they polished it up they may have attracted more sophisticated people; but also, whenever scamming/spamming is made more difficult, the scammers, spammers, and "borderliners" find less obvious ways of getting around things likes rules and geneal good faith of some endeavors.
I've never been all into B's, but I've been on there closing in (sort of) on two years now. I've made modest money on there (VERY modest), been paid, and didn't see any of what's there now reduced (at least not yet). BUT, I don't have thousands of followers/followeees and thousands of posts with zillions of tags and links to whose-ever posts, or zillions of comments from people who - it''s pretty obvious - are "borderliners" at best. So, I'm reserving judgment (but I have to see what changes they do in the next couple of months before I figure out if I have no use for the site or some use for it).
I don't think it's fair, though, to make the jump from what was legitimate grievances/grips to stuff like, "I wouldn't put it past him to......" or to make the jump from "they didn't pay redemptions" to "they had no problem ignoring redemptions". That's presuming to read someone else's mind. And, calling him a sociopath and whatever else, or saying what he "thinks", isn't just mind-reading. It's presuming to diagnose someone when that kind of diagnosis isn't even easy for professionals.
So, I don't think aiming to be fair by withholding assumptions and presumptions is being "generous of spirit". It's just using reason and logic in knowing which conclusions can and can't be drawn at the moment.
I don't know Arvind from Adam (as they say), but if anyone wants to make sure that any unethical behavior/practices are dealt with the way they should be (whether that's by B's members of anyone else); they'd better not make themselves look like borderline-crazy people (or at least not people who are out of control of their own emotions to the point where they're obviously being unfair who are making up stuff, unable to remain objective and reasonable (and use reason and logic).
I'm here wasting time because I don't plan to do anything on B's OR on here tonight (at least not with my own Hubs or any new ones). I just don't think, though, that people who decide to be cautious about sorting out what to do or think about something like the B's mess (not like it's the first Internet-site mess that's ever happened
) shouldn't have other people implying that they're too naive or stupid NOT to give at least some limited benefit-of-the-doubt for now.
Oh well, this whole Internet-writing/posting stuff is something I haven't been able to take very seriously since the first big Panda, and then the big "Stellar Thing", not to mention visions of mobs of people thronging between places like Squidoo and here and Bubblews, some thronging back under one or more new names, and then either staying or leaving (or both, for all I know) until "everyone" does the next mob-migration to the next place (and maybe back).
Really, as far as I'm concerned, good luck to the folks who own and/or run any of "these sites". WHAT a horror show it has to be to actually be the folks who have to actually deal with some of the "this stuff". At this point, all I can say is "OMG". THEN, who knows... tomorrow everyone will wake up, sign into HubPages and get something like, "Welcome to the New Bubblews/Squidoo/Helium/MyLot, where writers pay readers to read their not-so-stellar stuff". Really, I'm losing it (and my forty-whatever dollars on Bubblews is the same today as it was three days ago, plus a few cents, of course)."Then there's the kind of benefit-of-the-doubt that reserves judgment, drastic actions/assumptions, but also remains cautious enough for the "benefit-giver" to watch out for himself and his own interests as well." - That time came and went a 6 months ago, when they dumped everyone's earnings in the "server glitch."
Not only was this mass refusal to pay the writers predictable, it was predicted right here on these forums a couple of months ago. When they announced that you could only redeem once a month, and would have to wait a month, then 60 days then 90 days to receive payment, it was obvious that they intended to keep the writers feverishly performing for as long as possible before pulling the rug out from under them.
There is no benefit-of-the-doubt to be had. If the company intended to cheat its users, then this is exactly how it would have played out, and it did.
How it has been working for people, is they ask for their redemption, let's say $240.00 and they get $13 deposited in their bank. I have a good idea how much work it takes on that site to earn $240.00.
It is horrible for someone to have put that kind of effort in to that site to receive a pittance in return. And hundreds, if not thousands have. Effort that could have been expended on something profitable; many here and on B cannot afford to waste time for nothing. That is where their "incompetence" becomes criminal.
I did not read on his mea culpa where he and his staff had skipped their salary payments to join in "taking one for the team." Would have been nice to hear they were suffering too, instead they simply didn't get new motorcycles or trips to Aruba.
Arvind begins his missive by equating himself to Abraham Lincoln, as a leader doing the best he can. And then he makes this grossly disingenuous comment that tells us just how false everything he writes is:
"Part of this was poor management of our vast growth and part of this was that sometimes, we are a little afraid of you guys
. We've been entrusted with this great community, and you guys aren't afraid to speak your minds."
I think we all know that posts critical of B are deleted, critical user's accounts are also deleted and any criticism of Bubblews anywhere on the Internet is against the TOS and cause for forfeiture of your future redemptions. This sentiment in his last writing is so wholly false; I don't know how anyone could be hoodwinked into further association with that site, or into believing in his good intentions.
On another note - I do not see how generosity of spirit equates to stupid and naive. Perhaps that was projection.
lol... You sir, could get blood from a turnip. You'll always end up on your feet.
I agree.
Liking posts and befriending people is not against any rules.
Scamming is things like copying and pasting, spinning articles, paying people to like or comment etc.
I certainly never felt guilty about anything.
(Not that I ever fully took Bubblews seriously. It was a re-run of MyLot, but with an unsustainable payment scheme - not that MyLot worked out either when it was a paying site!)
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