Should prostitution be legalized

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Guardian1posted 16 years ago
With all the shady prostitution and rapes that occur, do you think legalizing prostitution would benefit those who choose this as their profession and lower the incidences of rape because men will have another legal outlet for their urges?
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  lisafwg01posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Rape has precious little to do with sex, so, no, I do not think that legalizing prostitution would have any impact on the occurance of rape crimes.
  
  With that being said, I actually don't see any justifiable reason for prostitution being illegal. If someone is an adult and chooses to use their body as a commodity that's their business. Decriminalize it and then regulate it just like any other "professional" industry.
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  badcompany99posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with Lisa rape for a guy is being in control of the woman and having a satisfaction of being powerful. In real life most rapists are either loners or in a bad relationship. Be interesting though to compare the rape stats in Holland with the rape stats in the UK.
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  Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It is a profession that is uneasily looked upon and I think, always will be. There are all sorts of moral and ethical dilemmas surrounding it and why women might choose it. That being said, I think legalizing it would give women more control over their situations, health, money, etc. and that it should be done. I don't judge...and who knows, given certain circumstances, I or anyone might even agree to sell...
  
  And it is legal in Las Vegas, and in Holland, and LG mentioned England (another thing I didn't know, LG), after all.
  
  I do find it a little funny that somebody here related sex to sh*ting and what else? Eating? however. That says a lot, right there. I guess we share those things with other animals, don't we?
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  accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Legalizing it might mean more STDs and may be trouble for the entire globe. Its so unrule for a healthy person to rape, so to my own opinion, it should be regulated to some extent. Nice topic.
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  mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Acco only the un healthy nutters do this type of thing, I think I woudl like to harm thwem by leaving them in the religious forum for an hour or so.
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  accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds so funny Mandy, How was your night?
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  MangoGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rape has more to do with anger than it has to do with sexual drive. Anyway, prostitution is legal in Germany.
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  badcompany99posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think its legal nearly everywhere but the uk, over here the only thing raped is the damn taxpayer by the money grabbing politicians with their expenses for 2nd homes etc, bloody disgrace !
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  MangoGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should consider sailing other waters then.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think rape can happen anywhere under the right er wrong circumstances. Some guys aren't really a catch, but they are raised or learn from peers and the media a kind of arrogance about themselves and low opinion of women. These guys will sometimes rape because they are frustrated about not regularly getting (or not getting at all) the kind of sexual fulfillment that they think they deserve. Sometimes it's not overt anger. It's more that they put their sexual needs ahead of a woman's rights and feelings. Sometimes they convince themselves that they are doing the woman a favor. You know the saying: "That woman's so uptight. What she needs is a good F---. Remember Jeffrey Dommer. He wasn't angry at the guys he raped and ate. He was trying to change them into "love slaves" by pouring chemicals into their brains. He was a real sicko, but not motivated by anger.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, a new member and already posting to forum. Awesome. Welcome to Hubpages.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, we're getting F-ed sideways.
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone have given you their opinions,in my point of view it should not be legalized at any cost.By nature human should have some sort of discipline towards GOD as well as to his/her body.I'm not here to point out this issue in a religious aspect but for example for human intake of food is must but irregular eating or unusual eating will lead us to a dangerous health likewise take this issue with these small examples.Then what's the difference between us and animals. God has given us sixth sense to think what is right n what is wrong and act as per his wish that is the righteous path too.Laws were created for our beneficial and peaceful living that should not reverse our disciplined life.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what else good points you want to make my point right just think my point in a deep manner you can make good points out of it. what's the need to legalize a unlegalized one. If that is the right one it would have been legalized before and there's nothing to take now this topic as an issue right?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wish there was a way to control Prostituion without legalizing it but Government decides and we elect Governments to do that .
  You say you dont say your opinion from a religious perspective yet you also say we should discipline towards God ,that means obeying him right?
  Not everyone agrees there is a God so they dont choose their morals that way.
  But they have rights too and their decisions,choices,vote is to be respected.
  I thought the point you made about the consequences of unhealthy was a good one.
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for your last comment.Okay i'll come to your point i didn't refer any of the religious fact in my post but we have been taught in our school days is to be a disciplined person and that should be taken for all the issues. i think u don't believe in God but it's the way for us to go in a righteous path that's it.. coming to the point everyone knows about the dangerous over sexual immorality then why to legalize which are not good for us just think.. this place is not to argue or fight just to give their own points but what's wrong in accepting the right one??
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  johnb0127posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Could you please use some periods! I had a very hard time reading that and I still dont get it
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The thing is it should not be legalized got it?
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is a difficult topic because there are saftey and moral issues at war. Regardless of what Government does prostitution will continue. Their is "high class" expensive prostitution and back alley prostitution. Something must be done to protect those operating out on the street as well as to rescue those forced into the trade. We as individuals can't correct these problem. It requires a task force, new/better laws and, yes, a lot of prayer.
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  andromidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think by legalizing prostitution we will only give it a social
  recognition as a profession.Otherwise there is nothing extra ordinary about it.The rapist will keep on raping, they won't change
  their mentality but definitely it will be good news for sex hungry people or lonely people.Moreover woman from the poorer countries
  will be more interested in prostitution which in turn increase human trafficking in African and South-East Asian Countries.
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  usmanali81posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, it must not be legalized. But Freemasons already legalized rape, adultry and homosexuality under the hollow slogans of art, love and humanity. This is the worst time in the history of the world that so called liberal nations legalized homosexuality.
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Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years ago
I think it should be legalized, yes. Most things that are above the table are safer than things that are done illegally, and besides, like marijuana, it's something else that can be taxed if it's a legitimate business, meaning that overall tax rates could be (theoretically) lowered.
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Guardian1posted 16 years ago
Thanks for the replies ladies.
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pgrundyposted 16 years ago
It is legal in Holland and fewer men use prostitutes there. You'd think it would be the reverse, but it actually cuts down on the traffic.

I think it should be legal and there should be health requirements for the girls so they are safer all around.
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Guardian1posted 16 years ago
I was thinking that the guys would be able to act out fantasies that they couldn't with a girlfriend or wife. Some guys have weird tastes. Some women are more old fashion, which is they're perogative of course.

I agree that regulating prostitution could make it safer healthwise. I would hope that the women would be more protected from physical harm also, because the streets can be rough. I can't imagine how people carry this stuff out in back alleys.
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  badcompany99posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I still think it wouldnt stop rape, its an inbuilt thing like the Yorkshire Ripper or Ted Bundy, Sutcliffe actually used prositutes but he still had that inner time bomb with a hatred of women. Ted Bundy had no problems picking women up but for him he just couldnt control that urge to not only rape but murder. It lies way deeper than just having sex, my view anyway.
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  Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I am extremely old fashioned but kinky as hell. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Guardian1- I feel that this is a very sensitive issue and being legal isn't the only view. Even a "moral"(varies from society to society) view where premarital or extra marital effects on the individuals/relationships need to be considered.
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You're right it is a sensitive issue. Law and morality doesn't necessarily coincide, however. Each person has to decide what is morally right for them and teach that to their children. Too often it is the media and peers teaching children what to think and do. Guns are legal, but it is not the fact that it's legal that makes it appealing to those who abuse it. Also, though prostitution is illegal here, we still have play boy/girl and stars doing nude scenes for entertainment and money. Sex sells. It always has. It always will.
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you, old fashioned and kinky can co-exist in the same brain and body ;-).
  
  By the way, you guys are making me so sad. Everyone responds to this, which is controversial, but no one has checked out the sweet one I wrote: "All Little Girls are Goddesses." Come on ladies, it's supposed to make you smile.
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  LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It was far too saccharine for my taste. I'm not American.
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I said it was sweet ;-). What does not being American have to do with it? People respond similarly to emotional stimuli.
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  LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  In my limited experience, Americans bullshit / vomit-worthy meters are much less sensitive.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now, now, LG... You can't say that! Some of us Americans also cannot really stand the Hallmark sweet type verse, in fact we write the opposite type stuff.
  
  And what about that strange Euro-trash disco dance music (not so much England but on the continent, and surely, Russia). Blllaaah! Vomitus!
  
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To the first - the really vomit-inducing, "read this, pass it on" stories of little girls and grannies are American.
  
  To the second, yup, it's weird shit.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Welllll.... Yes. I know the kind who do it. I really don't know how they don't choke on their own cutesy-ness and cliches, but then I don't understand the draw of Miss America, apple pie or Chevrolet, either.
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't get Miss Anywhere either (beauty contests are treated as a joke here in the UK, seen as very out-dated), and I don't really known what a Chevolet looks like.
  
  My mother makes a fantastic apple and rubarb crumble, though.
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  Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Miss America is pretty much a joke in the US too. It used to be on television, but people stopped watching it. Chevrolet's are actually not bad looking cars. A "Malibu" caught my eye last week because it was kind of attractive looking. They're pretty "un-luxurious" on the inside, though. Acceptable enough, but not the least bit impressive.
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  mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pahleez rapists don't need outlets like prodssies, they are controlling dorks that actually need castrating, or worse, they thrive on fear, so technically a prossie doesn't cut it for a rapist unless she is prepared to sit and scream, while he does his thing, Bruising and bashing her. No a 303 in the gonads, that helps rapists no end they actually cease to offend. We have legal prostitution in this Country, and it hasn't stopped the Rape statistics. Because New zealand has alot of inbreds.
  My attitude is to kill them.........before they breed another generation. It also dooesn't sstop aids or Hiv or Hep c they are still out there because despite what we hear prostitutes are not the brightest lights in the house.
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nmsposted 16 years ago
I don't think Legalizing prostitution will make society a better place. Indeed it will help those rapist. Currently in most countries it is illegal. So rapist, criminals, will be prosecuted under LAW. But if it is made legal, then he can escape easily claiming he has paid her! So its like opening the doors to criminals...
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I never thought about that. It does sound like it could happen, but then so many rapist are people the victims knows and they often claim it was consentual. When I say legalize, I mean men and women working at some kind of regulated establishment. Sex would occur within the safe confines of the establihment, so non-consentual sex on the outside would be recognized as such. There are always problem with any system. Hopeful those who choose this profession would think up ways to protect everyone involved.
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  Bob Cedarposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  If it was legal it would probably be held in brothels with super security. I mean why risk getting a disease from a street walker where you could go in a brothel and view the girls/guys health records and vice versa. The whole point of making something legit is so it wouldn't be held in back alleys behind dumpsters.
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Teresa McGurkposted 16 years ago
It isn't a profession I would choose for myself, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be legal -- with health insurance coverage, benefits, pension plan, etc.
I've read through the comments and they are all great: no, it would not stop rape; but it would stop some of the more dangerous aspects of "streetwalking."

By the way -- prostitution was legal in one quarter of New Orleans in the late 1800's or early 1900's. Brothels were taxed, but otherwise left alone.
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Adam Bposted 16 years ago
Yes it should be legalized. I wrote a hub on this very topic, please check it out!
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sassychicposted 16 years ago
What the heck? H###**** NOOOO!!!!!!!!\

What do you think that is displaying to other nations? Or to younger children?
i have a hard time believing anything positive about Prosititution! Sorry that's crazy and pure out wrong, what ever happened to teaching girls to be independent and storng on there own? or that Girls need to be strong and powerful on there own, not sleeping around or getting laid with creepy guys? Geesss, I guess you guys know what I think....
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  lisafwg01posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to get blasted for this, but frankly I see very little difference between a woman who has sex for money and women who will only sleep with a man IF they spend money on them or are rich. The only difference between the two, IMO, is the tittle and the fact that dating/marrying a man for his money is perfectly acceptable, and even encouraged, but simply screwing a man for his money is not.
  
  I wouldn't do either, but who I am to dictate what another adult chooses to do with their body?
  
  Legalize it, regulate it and tax it...everybody wins.
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  lxxyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed!
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  trooper22posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree 100%. I have been to many countries where Prostitution is legal, and each of them have far less STD's and sex crimes per capita than countries where Prostition is not legal yet wide spead. Men will always look for sex on the sly, and there will always be women willing to sell what they have to accomidate those men. Sex is as much a part of humanity as making waste and eating.
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  Bob Cedarposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  why can't it be creepy women buying whore men? lol as far as being bad role model for girls you are basically saying only women can be whores. Here in America where religion/law are supposed to be two different things, why can't a person pay for sex. And I agree with (forgot who posted it) putting out to get fancy treats is the exact same thing as being a prostitute. It's like an old joke. What's the difference between a prostitute and a slut. Prostitutes get paid cash, sluts get paid dinner.
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  sassychicposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Okay I guess I wasnt thinking properly but I just think human trafficing and all that crap is gross to sa the least. I understand cultural differences and traditions and all but hmmmm what's the benefit of being a prosititute?
  Money but....Really is money the greatest thing?
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  lxxyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Benefits?
  
  1. Money, everyday. Take home pay.
  
  2. Its the best job in the world for sexaholics! (And yes, women are quite the bed demons!)
  
  3. It allows people to get their jollies when none can be had.
  
  4. Its not human trafficking; no one is selling another person as a slave. Its a consenting business proposition between two adults.
  
  Is money the greatest thing? No. But still, people need it to buy stuff to live. Quit thinking about the prostitute as a victim; some are, but most are not. They do it because its a quick way to make bucks. Why do you think there's so many exotic dancers?
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It's a sad reality that many woman have talents that's it's harder to make money with. With so many big corporations, it's hard for the litte man or little woman to make a buck with their idea or skill. I don't think I'd be able to sell my body, but I have considered doing that phone sex stuff because I have a really sexy voice. I'd much perfer to get paid to write though, which is my heart and soul.
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  badcompany99posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  A sexy voice with that face, when can you start ??
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  Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  The moral stance is certainly a noble one. But then, what about gambling (Wall St. speculating), and the prostitution of ideas (politics)? At least women selling sex is a straightforward purchase of services offered for sale -- unlike most major corporate dealings these days. No -- I'm inclined to believe prostitution is less fraudulent than much of the fabric of corporate America.
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  pgrundyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, Teresa.
  
  I will say this for the other side of the argument though: Even people who feel it should be legal (I do, for example), still wouldn't be thrilled if their wives or daughters took it up. When I get into this discussion with men, they often get very passionate about how acceptable it is and how it doesn't hurt women and so on, and I usually let them go on and then (if I'm close to the man) I'll just say, "You're right. I think I could make some money there myself," at which point he freaks out. So then I'm like, "But you just said it was a perfectly respectable job? Don't you want me to make good money?"
  
  Career Day at the local public high school: Brothel Madam shows up to recruit girls, gives a speech on sexual practices, career opportunities, benefit packages, and girls line up to apply.
  
  No?
  
  Right, probably not. Because being a whore, legal or not, is dangerous, depressing, degrading, and a drag. But everyone wants to believe there are all these volunteer whores out there raking it in and having a great time. Ain't so.
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lxxyposted 16 years ago
Prostitution should be legalized, franchised, and all people checked for STDs. It's the world's oldest profession, and you are never going to get rid of it except through time and cultural change.

Many of your religions teaches that sex is "sinful." But this is false; many other cultures are okay with multiple partners. For instance, the Japanese do not frown upon it at all. The only stipulation, of course, is that those who do it do not fall in love with those they bed.

After all, many already have a family and a loving wife. But variety is the spice of life.
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LennyPposted 16 years ago
Saying rape has nothing to do with sex is like saying armed robbery has nothing to do with money. Both are horrible acts that take a very violent, deprived mind to commit but they have definite motivations.
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  lxxyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Rape has a sexual point, for sure. But its ultimate point is empowering the perp to rule over its victim. Many rapists who are not caught over time graduate to the school of serial killing.
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Technically speaking, yes, obviously rape has to do with sex in that rape is forced sex. The point being made by saying that rape has nothing to do with sex is that rape is not driven by horniness, it's driven by power issues. If a guy is just horny, he can go pleasure himself, get a hooker, or go to a bar and pick up someone. The decision to rape rather than one of those other options comes from a rage center and is about power, domination and control. That was the point of that comment.
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lxxyposted 16 years ago
Tee, you hit the mark. I love your comments.
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Mrvoodooposted 16 years ago
Recently down the pub I was chatting to a girl about time she'd spent in Thailand, she proceeded to tell me how disgusting she'd found all the Thai women there prostituting themselves, then she continued to spend the rest of the night getting drunker and drunker and bouncing from one guys lap to the next. Who she went home with that night is anybodys guess...
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Crazy how hypocritical and stupid people can be when they knock back a few. You get all kinds.
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  Mrvoodooposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It certainly is, I spent some time living with some prostitutes and they were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, it can be a dangerous game but I sincerely hope that they fulfill their dreams, best of luck to them, may they always be safe and happy.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, may they all be safe and happy.
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  mandybeauposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Its legal in New Zealand now, and all the old ones work from Home, no really rich hoes out here they all have drug habits, that keep them poor. Oldest profession, you can't stop it so make them pay taxes after all the hourly rate is a little better than most, even for the ugly ones.
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LondonGirlposted 16 years ago
Prostitution is legal in the UK. Has been for decades.
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  Mrvoodooposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Really? I could have sworn it wasn't.
  
  * No you are right, just checked, but...
  
  In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual servicies for money) is not illegal, but several activities surrounding it (such as solicitation in a public place, operating a brothel or other forms of pimping) are outlawed.
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  LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I knew that. I've prosecuted several related offences (-:
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I like that there are so many well informed people on this site. I didn't expect to get so many responses to this post, but it's good to get people thinking. There are so many changes that need to made to the American legal system, not necessarily legalizing prostitution, but there has to be a way to deter the ever rising grime rates. Also, it's crazy how often criminals get off because of loopholes in the laws.
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logic,commonsenseposted 16 years ago
I think Lisa put it very aptly.
It serves a purpose and if you are not forced to participate why would anyone hold it against anyone that does.
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SweetiePieposted 16 years ago
Before they banned the erotic listings on Craiglist there was quite a bit of prostitution being advertised, but now these amateurs are just be more discrete about it. Some of those ads are just so ridiculous it is hard to believe people really wanted some of those things.
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  People have the weirdest secret thoughts and desires. To each their own, I guess, unless they're hurting someone.
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cashmereposted 16 years ago
Geez...no I feel it should be outlawed.
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mktol1984posted 16 years ago
It could possibly lower the amount of rapes if prostitution were leagilized if only because if women are able to do there career in a safe building with security instead of at night on a poorly lit road women that prostute themselves could be subject to taxes which will help our tax rates as well as it creates a whole new set of jobs that can't be out sourced the government can regulate the business which could reduce the chances of spreading dieases I also remember a story a few years ago in amsterdam i believe that prostitution is legal the women there helped the police track down and stop people that were doing illegal human trafficking and forceing underage women into prostitution so there are a number of possible benifits to allowing this in america but the religious groups would have a fit and they seem to hold more power then most other groups in our country
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  The religious community would definiely have a field day with this idea. They would tear it apart. The overall religious establishment does have a lot of power. I wish they were more active in the community. With the economy the way it is, so many people are out of jobs, more are on the streets. People are losing their minds left and right. It's under-reported and scary as all hell.
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pgrundyposted 16 years ago
BTW I think that the more desired, respectable route is to be the pampered full time wife of a wealthy man. More respectable, and after awhile you don't even have to have sex with anymore--his secretary will take care of that. All you have to do is plan parties, hire the servants, have one boy and one girl child, maintain your figure, and accompany him to public events without getting drunk.
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  Amanda Severnposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds good to me!
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  lisafwg01posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  More respectable, yes, but in reality still "whoring" oneself. Who's more honest: the prostitute or the goldigger? I say the prostitute is.
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  pgrundyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh no. I can see why you would say that though. Most people would, I think.
  
  The description of a wealthy wife I gave used to be the description of pretty much any wife. Dishonest? Not necessarily. It's a job description and if both parties understand and agree I think it is mean spirited to call it wrong or bad. I was never offered such a position (too plump!) but if I had been I might have taken it.
  
  I've known prostitutes from younger days working in restaurants and bars. They're not honest. Many of them despise the men they service (and often men in general) and openly mock them when they aren't around. Many prefer sex with women, not because they were born that way but because the profession and early abuse drove them that direction.
  
  It's like with any group of workers--some are nice, some not so much, and most wish they didn't have to work at all.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is funny. I can probably say I turned down the first job a couple times. I flirted with the idea of taking the position, BUT realllly didn't try that hard, as I sensed it probably would have been quite wrong for me. Yes, I'm very ashamed to say it, but I once had schemes on a republican ear doctor from my hometown, . Must have been temporarily insane.
  
  The second position, interestingly enough, I have also been offered (have I lived a weird life comparatively speaking?), even down to naming sums of money--though I did not officially 'solicit' it, but some men just assume things they should not...But--I don't like icky physical labor if I have the choice.
  
  Naw, I've pretty much been a freelancer full-time, as far as this stuff goes.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just think women are fairly hard on women in general when it comes to sex and decisions about relationships. We're very judgmental of each other and of our various choices. It would be nice to see us all lighten up a bit in that regard.
  
  I've been 'dependent' and I've been independent and it's not like everything is simple and straightforward. I think every woman needs to know she can take care of herself, but I also think there are times in a woman's life--childbearing for example--when being in a more dependent position and caring for children without pay is a legitimate choice.
  
  People make lots of different arrangements inside their relationships. I don't really think there's a right or wrong kind of relationship, just right or wrong at the time for any given person.
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  Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, lol, Pam. Well, it's all true!
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  pgrundyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I know Lita--Like the saying goes, "Too soon old, too late schmart!" lol!
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Or for the other saying "Youth is wasted on the young"
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  Guardian1posted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I wish
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  LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  That's my mother. Apart from the secretary bit, my father has neither secretary nor mistress (as far as I know) and she had 4 children.
  
  She works bloody hard, though, and my Dad wouldn't have been nearly as successful without her.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
When something illegal/illicit becomes legalized, it tends to have the effect of DECREASING rather than INCREASING demand. There are many benefits to legalizing prostitution. Safety of the working girls (and boys) is one.
But from a law and order, criminal justice standpoint, think of the police and prison resources it would free up for other crimes.
Hopefully it would also eliminate the "need" for the middleman, or pimp.
I dunno. it's not ever going away -- as stated before, it is the oldest profession in the book.
Why not de-stigmatize. It is, after all, your very basic business transaction for personal services rendered. I can even see little licenses posted over the hooker's bedpost (like the ones at nail and hair salons:-).
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I could not agree more Mighty Mom!
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think though that there would be (or there is) resistance from wealthy and prominent men who frequent prostitutes but have an interest in maintaining the secrecy element.
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lisafwg01posted 15 years ago
There is a vast difference between being "dependent" within an honest relationship, and marrying (or being involved with) someone for their money.

Women have been encouraged to "marry rich," some even openly admit that they are with the man they are with solely because he has money and that is accepted by society in general.

To me, that makes these women no different than any other prostitute other than the fact that what they are doing is legal.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know. Is it better to marry a poor man for love? What happens when you fall out of love and he's still poor and you start to blame each other and so on and so forth?
  
  I actually think the reverse of what you say is true. I think within American families women are very much pressured to marry within whatever class they were born into. If they marry down or up, the get reprimanded and judged constantly, both by the families they marry into and by their own families.
  
  Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to pressure women to marry at all? I'd like to see a world where women were nicer to each other, but maybe I hope for too much.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is really interesting ,and unfortunate at the same time. It happens similarily in New Zealand too,most noticeably by where or how much education etc. Quite silly realy because in my case my dad purposely enrolled me in an elite school and his reasons were so I wouldnt have to struggle with prejudice like he did, but in the end I married a hard working labourer ( like my two sisters) and our brothers went on to have Academic careers ,I dont know why we didnt. We wanted to be like our Mum I guess, have babies and be homemakers.
  I agree with you in" the hope in women being nicer to each other"
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I worked my way through college, twice, and took no end of crap for it from my family until I began to distance myself from them about fifteen years ago. My folks are dead now, my siblings live far away, and I'm a lot happier. The people in my life are nicer to me now than my own family was. It was all over stepping outside class boundaries. We were working class and the man was supposed to be the main thing, him and his good factory job. I stepped out of that and took it in the neck constantly for it.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
You are right there, Pam. I definitely feel that sort of 'competition' or judgment in regards to my sisters... My one sister is so bad about it that she calls me 'dependent' just because I live with a guy. I prefer to think of it as mutual interdependence... I can't say I know anything about childbirth, etc., but that seems to me an issue of common sense and fairness, not 'dependence.' Using the traditional little story (and there are women who do--I'm not judging--let their own lives and karma do that)is another thing.

And as far as what I said previously--ear doctor/wife thing--well, you know there is this societal 'norm' or ideal you are supposed to grow up wanting. I wasn't SO immune to it at 20 or so. But it definitely was not right for me...I probably would have just died...but then again, I don't think in all reality it ever could have happened.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I didn't want to marry at all, and my parents were just beside themselves that I was an old maid of 24 by the time I finally did. They didn't like my first husband because he was above their class and from another country. It was a horrible, disastrous marriage, and part of me felt like, "See, I married somebody and you're STILL not happy! Screw you both!" But now, so many years later, I realize that was what they knew. They thought that was their job--marry of the girls, push the boys into lucrative work.
  
  Marriage isn't that important to me at this age. Bill is my best friend and companion, and part of me feels like marriage might wreck that. Why risk it?
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
I know in New Zealand Prostitution was legalised to protect the workers and get them off the street.
Also workers must now be documentated therefore their work is taxed so actually some from the Prostitutes Union were reluctant to vote on the bill but of course it was passed in the end.
I havent been interested enough to check on stats so Im not sure if this works for everyone or not.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I read that the U.S. is one of the few developed countries NOT to legalize it (so as to make it safer).
  
  Doesn't surprise me.
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lawrettaposted 15 years ago
I think prostitution should be legalized but prostitutes must work with guard lines. the ones here are so many they litter the streets and are very wild. I think they should be allowed only in brothels and not on the streets.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There would definite have to be strict laws about safety and pblic lewdness.
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lisafwg01posted 15 years ago
A tad bit off topic, but I think we do ourselves an injustice (and men too for that matter) by perpetuating the idea that women need to be "taken care of" especially in a financial sense.

I know far too many women (especially within my generation and older) who haven't the first clue about how to take care of themselves and stand on their own when it comes to finances, and in turn they didn't (couldn't) teach their daughters any better.

I have several friends who faced a "later in life" divorce only to realize they didn't have the first clue about money beyond how to spend it. The harsh reality of having to make their own way and support themselves was daunting; it wouldn't have been if they were taught (and valued) those skills from the getgo.

When 50% of marriages (or more) end in divorce it is ridiculous not to have the necessary skills to survive on your own, even if, while you are in a relationship, you decide, as a couple, that one of you will be the primary "breadwinner."

As for marriage not being seen as an important or needed "life goal" that somehow determines a person's (because I think it applies to both genders) worth: I wholeheartedly agree. I would also add in having children as something that shouldn't be viewed as something people "have to do."
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. I completely agree. Sometimes I think that girls are kept purposely helpless (in some family traditions) because it makes them easier to control. To a certain degree, that's true of society as a whole but much less so than a generation ago. Marriage is a hard sell for women, who tend to get less out of it than men, so if you condition women to think they 'need' it then it's easier to get them to fall for it.
  
  I've never had to option of being taken care of so I don't know what I'd be like if I had. I just don't know. It's easy to say I'm above all that, but I'm probably not. I'll never know.
  
  It has always surprised me too that girls aren't taught fighting skills from about age 5. We could do it. Imagine the effect if men knew that harassment or attempted rape would likely result in them getting the crap kicked out them by the 'victim'. I know criminals could still use guns and so forth, but I think if women were brought up with the skills to defend themselves a lot of men who misbehave on impulse would clean it up or think twice.
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jami430posted 15 years ago
Just because legalizing prostitution would not eliminate rape does not mean it wouldn't have its advantages. I've always supported legalization for the same reasons most people have presented--taxation, health regulation, and safety for the girls (or boys?).

The point is, we will never know what legalization of prostitution (or marijuana for that matter) will do to our country or whether it will "lower our morals" (since apparently having sex means you have no morals..ridiculous) until it happens. Unless we were able to do some sort of "trial run."
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jacobt2posted 15 years ago
prostitution should be illegal. Prostitution is dangerous. All kinds of STDs can be spread from prostitution. With someone being paid to have sex with many different people for a job, that person can easily spread diseases to multiple people. Also, prostitution is dehumanizing to women. Some women are forced to be prostitutes, but forced or not, prostitution is having women being an object used to bring men pleasure. Moreover, prostitution is just plain immoral and will bring America further into an immoral way of living.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In legalizing prostitution, the goverment would be able to initiate health policies (manditory testing, etc) that would hopefully keep everyone safe. Prostitution is happening right now in America behind closed doors, in seady motels, in alleyways, etc. I think it is more the lust for money that dehumanizes us all. Even the curch, sorry to say...well, perhaps not the "church" as an overall estabishment, but certain ministers (evangelists) are money grubbers. You know, send me some $ and I'm say a prayer for you and send you this blessed piece of cloth...and buy me a new boat and a fur coat for my ho. Sorry to be so graphic, but I'm imagining the old ladies that sent in their nest egg and were left more impovrished with non of the miracles promised.
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Lucey Knightposted 15 years ago
To legalize or not to legalize.....hmmm. Sounds like an excellent topic for a hub.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I'll probably do a hub on that. Just testing the waters I guess. Wow what a profile pic. It made me blush. I may look like a school teacher, but I have a furtile imagination. lol
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Pearldiverposted 15 years ago
Wow... All Men are Rapist's.... primal erges, & 'pay as you enter' painted on the steps of our buses..... Worth som pieces of 8 ere Capn.

My dear ol Gran's terrier used to do som damage to postie's socks tho.. I tell ya!
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for replying ;-). I love feedback, good or bad. Damn 17 fans in 6 days. What's your secret. Wish I had friends :-(.
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Pete Maidaposted 15 years ago
I think that in a age that has no problem with "friends with privileges" that claiming there is something wrong with other reasons for casual sex between consenting adults is down right silly.
Keeping it illegal is not supporting some strict moral code; clearing we don't have one of those.
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jacobt2posted 15 years ago
Prostitution is just plain immoral. At the same time it is somewhat dangerous and disgusting. All people should stay away from it, and especially Christians. Proverbs speaks about it much and says not to lust after an immoral woman’s beauty or sleep with another man’s wife. Additionally, in Proverbs 7:22-23 describes a man going with a prostitute and says, “All at once he followed her like an ox going to the slaughter, like a deer stepping into a noose till an arrow pierces his liver, like a bird darting into a snare, little knowing it will cost him his life.” In fact, all of Proverbs chapter 7 discusses this subject. It is titled Warning Against the Adulteress. Check out more on this topic and related ones in my hub at
http://hubpages.com/hub/Some-Christian-Sexual-Ethics
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  Pete Maidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's very nice but we have in the United States something called separation of church and state. Everyone is free to worship as they please but no law should be passed or continued based on writings from a particular religion.
  Isn't the person being equally snared when they enter into a relationship that doesn't involve money? At least with a business proposition both people know the score. A man can lose a lot more from a pseudo lover the snags him for his money. I believe that those words speak to more than prostitution. I believe the words are saying that men are weak willed when it comes to women and they are easily led.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So I gather you are without sin yourself. Congratulations, have not met anyone as perfect as yourself. Doesn't the bible also say to love your brothers and your sisters, and how do you expect to reach out to these people if you do not show them love and compassion.
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  jacobt2posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about? I in no way implied that I am without sin. I can't even see how you took my words in that manner. I am just offering my opinion and backing it with Scripture.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judge Not Lest You Be Judged
  LOL
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  lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thankfully, the United States is not a theocracy and civil laws are not based on your religious beliefs.
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  jacobt2posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But you can argue that they are, because your religious beliefs define how you live and what you believe in and what you want your environment to be like. The people and the leaders are going to fight for laws that agree with their beliefs that will agree with how they live which is defined by their religion.
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  lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps your religious beliefs define how you live, but my beliefs (or lack there of) do not "define how I live" beyond the fact that I don't attend any form of religious services. Other than that they are a non-issue and have no bearing on my day-to-day life.
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll pass on reading your hub, I'm sure its not worth anyone's time reading, especially if you quote bible verses.
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Gordon Hamiltonposted 15 years ago
I very, very much hope that a particular person does not see this post but I cannot resist.

Essentially, I do agree that prostitution is immoral. I am, however, also a realist and know that the "oldest profession" will carry on regardless of whether it is legalised or not. Why not, therefore, legalise it and tax it?

There are no losers from that move. It makes it safer for the women, safer for the men (free of the chance of arrest/prosecution) and earns extra money for the taxpayer who wants nothing to do with it from either respect.

I say it again - who loses from that?
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judges and policemen who use prostitutes lose. Businessmen who don't want their names a matter of public record lose. Men who smuggle and broker women and are making lots of money off doing that lose. Pimps and drug dealers lose. All those people lose if prostitution is legalized.
  
  These kinds of discussions are always focused on the prostitutes, never on the men who see a need for prostitutes or men who are making money off of prostitutes, or criminals who use prostitution to promote other crimes (like extortion or drugs or child pornography).
  
  Without customers, no prostitutes. Wow, profound huh? But men feel entitled, they can't help it, it's how they are, they're hardwired for it, blah, blah, blah...It's always going to be that way, always has been, and so forth.
  
  The sexual needs of men are always taken as sacrosanct, never mind that there's always the shower and a bar of soap. God forbid the poor darlings should be forced to jack off instead.
  
  That would be horrible.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for keeping it real , as always PG !
  So right, supply and demand.
  I think too that some people actually believe that only a certain 'type' of person frequents the services of a prostitue, and these are professionals who benefit most ,they have it both ways so to speak!
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking to the people I know a majority of men who see them are happily married businessmen(well what appears to be businessmen), young single guys are a very small proportion amidst the professional people that frequent prostitutes.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was so well said
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you said it best. Whatever is done, some group will be unhappy, but legalization may well be for the greater good. If people want to stop women from entering this field, they have to improve the education system and provide legitamate jobs. Everyone says they should just get off the streets, but I don't hear anyone providing a realistic solution. Prostitution will exist as long as there is a demand.
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
Of course it should be legal. It certainly is not going to go away.It is a proffession whether we think it good or bad. It certainly can not be an easy one either. Maybe it would offer a bit more protection for the women too.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more BP, the protection it would provide for the women is enough reason to legalize.
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Earnest, I have known women who are prostitutes, people tend to perceive them as all drug addicts,etc, but the women I have met, some are university students, some are mothers, so on. I know some poeple will argue that are better choices for them, maybe there is, but the bottom line is that they are human beings too. We should not judge them, unless we can say we are perfect ourselves, which we are not.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Sure it should be. And not taxed, we have too many taxes already, better cut them down
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is one of the reasons Parliament ( like the Senate in the USA) passed the legislation for Prostitution to be legal In New Zealand,so it could be taxed like all work (lol)
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Hope Alexanderposted 15 years ago
Yes, it should be legalized, because one shouldn't legislate morality, which is all the criminalization of prostitution is.

It was made legal in New Zealand a few years ago, and I believe there are still 10 or so women who haven't turned to it. (Because everyone knows that legalizing prostitution makes women want to sleep with men for money.)
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It does?
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  Hope Alexanderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, forgot /sarcasm
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
I thought you were serious
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raiderfanposted 15 years ago
Hell Yeah!
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
Look I don't know too much about the Bible but I know the bit how Jesus loved Mary Magdalene....he didn't say stay away from her...she is disgusting....
Misha and Raider you rock
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  jacobt2posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus didn't love Mary Magdalene...that is in the Da Vinci Code.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Da Vinci Code is bogus
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I distinctly saw Mary in the movie. Even if she was not in the equation,you tell me which sin is worse adultery, prostitution, lying, stealing, coveting,hurting someone,deceit,it goes on and on, I bet you have done at least one of them, and I would never think to say you are disgusting, perhaps other things.I don't care if it is a drug addict, prostitute, beggar, if one of them cried out to me, I would not hesitate getting down in the gutter to help them.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did intervene in the stoning of an adulteress, that is in the New Testament, not just in the movies. Apocryphal texts from the same era strongly suggest Mary Magdalene was one of the apostles, or even Jesus's closest friend, but she probably wasn't a prostitute--that part of the story was added later, in the Middle Ages sometime.
  
  Jesus gave one of his most important teachings to the woman at the well, a pagan who had had 'seven husbands and truly none.'
  
  I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would not appreciate the hate being spread around in his name these days.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pam, I love to agree to you
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, people will talk! We are supposed to be mortal enemies!
  
  I love to agree with you too.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Evidently, Misha and I are the ones who are mortal enemies, actually, Pam. I really never knew I was so tough--I'm thinking it must be my writing voice, in that, similar to yours. Sigh. What is one to do?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uh-oh, and I thought I was nice to you yesterday night, even did not object to you withdrawing your genes from the pool...
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My actual, real life boyfriend might have an issue with you, Misha, as he saw the contents of this post. How's that for me being tough? I do like tough boys, though, and mine qualifies. AND he wears a black leather jacket.
  
  Maybe you should worry about your own genes, huh, and 'bitching'(your term) or whatever? LOL Might be easier for all involved.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Lita, I told you already - I am scared to death
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a dangerous triangle (lol). You guys are funny.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I guess we should start our own 'bad girls club' here at HP.
  
  I'm getting my leather jacket out now...
  
  (Misha are you afraid? LOL!)
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  uh-oh, I am sooooooooo scared
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!"
  
  <dramatic pause>
  
  <old woman comes along and chucks a stone>
  
  Jesus: "Mum, I hate it when you do that!"
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  johnb0127posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HAHAHA!!! Good one
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was a good one. And no, we're not here to judge, so you're right.
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  Pete Maidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is clever. We can use a little humor around here.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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  James A Watkinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And so would Jesus. You are so right and you have a fine attitude.
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
I second that motion GT. You rock ! ! !
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jacobt2posted 15 years ago
Well I guess we will just have to agree to disagree because I wholly believe in the Bible.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in the bible too. Think of it this way. We all know the prostitution will continue whether it is legal or not. This "profession" is as old as time. If legalizing it is the only way to aid the people forced into it, and those who work in dirty, unsafe conditions, then is it the right thing to do. Sometimes you must do wrong to make right. Like if you saw someone raping and attepting to murder someone you love dearly and you have to kill the attacker in order to save the innocent or loved one. You are doing wrong by committing murder yourself, but doing right in saving a life. You have to go with the greater good. But each decides what that is for themself.
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HealthCare Basicsposted 15 years ago
I believe in legalizing prostitution. Just for the sake of monitoring STD's, even out the "fee" system, and get the prostitutes housing. I can see it now: 25% off coupons on a first visit in the local valupack... Wow, but it will not effect the rape rate.
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bringing down the STD rates and providing a safe environment would certainly help the people who participate in these activities. I do think more people would turn to prostituton if it were legal, which is kind of unfortunate, because they'd be doing it more out of financial reasons and probably hating every minute of it. I hate that people have to suffer so much just to make a buck.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Thankfully, the United States is not a theocracy and civil laws are not based on your religious beliefs.

Civil laws do tend to vary from state to state.
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Legalise it and tax it hard !
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johnb0127posted 15 years ago
No, prostitution should not be legalized. These women need to get off the streets and find themselves a real job!
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are absolutely right and i agree to your point 100%
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok time to get real now , what do you do if they dont get off the streets and someone in your family contracts aids?
  because saying it should be ...does not equate to...will be done
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  dimplesharuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are right but without legalizing if this is the case just thing the reverse case,don't the situation get's too worse
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  johnb0127posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your out of your mind
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats your answer, no! go to jail ,do not pass go ,do not collect $200 lol
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  Guardian1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many of these women have been out of "real" work for so long that they would be hard pressed to find a legitamate job in the recognized workforce. Saying they should et of the streets a job is unrealistic, especially in these time of economic uncertainty. Many people have found themselves out of jobs are out on the street
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James A Watkinsposted 15 years ago
I believe it should not be illegal. There have been whores since before Moses and in this world they are never going to go away. So, I think we have more serious crime for the police to look after and if there is no way to eradicate prostitution—and there isn't—why spend all that money and the precious time of the police, judges, lawyers to put these sorry folks in an overcrowded jail, while we let out a violent punk because there's no room at the inn. I think if whores were licensed, had routine medical checkups, confined to a certain area, we would eliminate pimps and violence, reduce STDs and generate taxes. Does that make it right? NO! It is a grave sin. But unlike abortion—which I will go to the mat against—nobody gets killed during the procedure.
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johnb0127posted 15 years ago
I completely agree. Police officers should spend their time chasing after robbers or directing traffic at an accident. There are more important things police should worry about
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James A Watkinsposted 15 years ago
I also notice some vitriol directed at a young man for framing his reference with his Faith and maybe quoting a scripture. Isn't it interesting that if he had quoted Rosie O'Donnell, or Mark Twain or Joseph Stalin—not a peep of protest would be heard. But to quote the only Book to ever sell over a billion copies gets the demons in action. He also tried to say that EVERYBODY has a worldview that they see through. His is certainly as valid as anybody's. I saw a quote in here disdaining the idea that law might be based on religious belief. This shows a lack of understanding about where law comes from. Law is based on morality and morality is based on religious beliefs—for the most part. There is a reason why the Ten Commandments is engraved on the wall of the Supreme Court. The history of law is researchable.
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why assume that "law" is "American law" as you seem to? There is law and legal systems outside the USA, you know.;
  
  The history of law is certainly researchable. I've studied it, at university, first "History of English Law" then "Western European Legal History" in my LLM (post-grad law degree).
  
  And an awful lot of both wasn't religion. There was a difference between civil and canon law, rendering unto Caeser, etc.
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  James A Watkinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Right about canon law being another issue altogether. I guess I said American Law because it is that of which I am most familiar. Our law comes from your law, in particular the thoughts about your law by William Blackstone. They may not teach him in postmodern university, I don't know. I'm not an expert or anything. Didn't mean to step on any toes.
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  William Blackstone, still a big name (-:
  
  If you look at early English Common Law, you'll see it is long on procedure - jurisdiction, who makes the decision, due process.
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Pete Maidaposted 15 years ago
Everyone else is allowed to use their talents; why shouldn't they? Aids is more of a danger when the business is not in the light of day where it can be controlled. Yes I know there will always be rogues who will work outside the system but customers are not likely to risk an STD to partonize them.

There is another reason for the talents that is being missed. There are single business people who are just too busy for a real relationship that would like some no strings pleasure. I know this flys in the face of morality but this is a free country and they should have the right to seek out the pleasure that they want. By the way this includes busy female executives hiring male companions.

So no I don't get that prostitution should be illegal.
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Pete Maidaposted 15 years ago
Are we fixated on sex or what? I have made comments in too many hubs to count and my hubtivity is filled with three pages of comments about prostitution and gay marriage.

I guess that is a commentary in itself.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Americans are sex-obsessed and totally dysfunctional when discussing sex.
  
  I mean, I think the answer to your question is 'yes,' but it's mostly the U.S. that is having this big identity crisis, not Europe or Britain.
  
  We never got to puberty here much less got out of it, thanks to our Puritanical roots.
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blondepoetposted 15 years ago
Lol I have said my piece I am out of this one now
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