Why would someone be hell bent on banning a reformed character?.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   I have been here a while now, but did not know that someone can get you banned. How do they do it? Can they be stopped?

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Mandy, I gather that you have to be banned legitimately the first time and then a report can get you re banned? That would seem to need monitoring for abuses. Thanks for the information Mandy, I am a bit surprised I have survived so long on the religious forums.

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      mandybeau4posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Mandy, that does make more sense now.

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   Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

   One thing I wonder about, though, is the time of night (San Francisco time, anyway, which is where HubPages adm work, unless, of course, they have some night/weekend monitor-person looming about).  These newest bans seem to be taking place.  It's not the workday in California, and it's the weekend.  I know adm people could be on here (the same way a lot of other US people are) in the middle of the night, so that could explain it.  I wonder, though, if usually things like bans would wait until the usual business day/week to happen.  I'm wondering if there's some automatic thing in the system that just bans any name that resembles "mandybeau"?   (I don't know anything how this stuff works - just wondering how something like this works, and wondering if maybe it isn't a human being reporting you....)

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I thought that there was a new moderator, I am assuming that she works weekends.... doesnt seem to take her time to ever post though.

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         Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hmmm - "stealth" moderating.  I suppose that would make more sense than letting the forums "go wild" all weekend and having to clean it all up Monday mornings.  (There's hasn't been much "wild" around here recently, though...).  OR.... maybe HP has hired just one person specifically to be assigned to a 24/7 watch for any version of "Mandybeau". 

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            Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh you So Deserve that 100 Lisa!!

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   cindyvineposted 13 years ago

   Mandy, just change your name to Bandymeau!

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   Helen Caterposted 13 years ago

   It's a sad ole world when you can't say your bit. What happened to freedom of speach. Anyways good to have you here still.

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   poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

   hi mandy..... wondered where you were, what have you been doing ...... nothing and still you get banned. wow

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   Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago

   I am having trouble thinking of any one less offensive.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Clearly you did not include yourself in that equation Mark
   
   Mandymybeau..... You must stop dating that Mayor!
   Are there Moose prints across your account page?
   It seems to be a bit tough mate.

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   Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

   bandymeau!!  Nice to meet you!! 

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    ummm, it would most likely be an IP flag, if a user is flagged and temporarily banned than the IP is recorded and any accounts generated from that IP are quick to be banned also? It cant be automated or you wouldnt be able to enter the forums at all from the same IP..but perhaps just one little flag?
    
    I couldnt be sure but most likely your just get shot down over and over because you are openly admitting you are supposed to be banned and users are hitting you with a report w/o bothering to comment

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    OMG... Bandy-Mo... Well Howdy Mate... Tie Ya Boots to that thar Hichn Post Yonder an set awhile as ya straighten those pins!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I do not remember hubpages being like this in the past. Surely the person doing this should be banned from hubpages?

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    AGAIN? WTH? seriously that is just wrong! Please whoever keeps getting her band knock it off. so not cool!

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       bandymeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Man mandy I am so sorry you are going through such horrible treatment on this website and hubteam should be ashamed of themselves for going along with those ppl who are flagging yur hubs when there is nohting wrong with them!

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       bandymeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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          Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          shoot I don't think I would be any good at it but if it would actually help then shoot I so would!

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    marilynzposted 13 years ago

    

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    you had to make another one? this is getting out of hand seriously! You should contact the hubteam and ask why you keep getting banned.

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    this is still wrong. the hubteam should look into this issue and STOP deleting you from hubpages.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    What Response have you had from Admin Bandy?

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    pauldeedsposted 13 years ago

    Creating account after account to circumvent a forum ban is not something that we appreciate.  Mandybeau had the option to take 3 days off, and come back, hopefully without the personal attacks.  Now she's going to have wait at least 30 days.

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       Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Wow! I have no idea what happened but that would really harsh my good mood. 30 days is a lot!

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Okay got ya thanks Paul

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          rebel1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    I don't even know who she is?

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    blue dogposted 13 years ago

    it's nice getting both sides of the story, without all the emotional blah blah blah.  if we choose to break rules, we live with the consequences.
    
    thanks, paul, for the rest of the story.

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       rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       we know there are those who clearly will never follow the rules...
       

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          blue dogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          you've just gotta love those "reformed" alter egos.

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             rebel1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I am so reformed its painful

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          rebel1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Whatever I bet u never break a single rule ever Can u say tht... MMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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             rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             ???? I can see you're new around here.
             yes, I do try to be professional on a writing/publishing site.

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    Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

       I know, I guess, I maybe shouldn't find the humor in this; but - I'm sorry - I just discovered, after last knowing that the series of "mandybeau's" (1,2,3,4, etc.) had turned into "bandymeau"; that there's now been "bandymeau1" and "bandymeau2".    I have to say you gotta kind of admire "bandymeau's" stick-to-it-ive-ness. 

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    rebel1posted 13 years ago

    Banned for what????????? You might like to say who reported me bet you dont tho!
    I don't want to know about the old time, I have not transgressed.
    I will wait 3 days which I think is a stupid childish punishment, not because I am being told but because I am busy at the moment and it suits.
    Crazdwriter Lisa Pearldiver Lisa Thanx for yr support see you soon
    Mandybeau

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Well, if you want to be banned permanently you are going about it the right way.

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    Maddie Ruudposted 13 years ago

    If you want to know why you were banned, emailing us would be a better approach than creating multiple accounts to get around the ban, after you've been warned several times not to do so.  I've sent you emails about this, but you have not responded, so responding here seems the only way you might actually pay attention. 
    
    Continuing this behavior will result in a permanant ban on all of your accounts.  I recommend, if you'd like to continue to use HubPaegs, that you cut your losses and take the 30 day forum ban in stride.

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       Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Maddie you have the patience of a saint. You and the rest of the HubPages team have been more than reasonable and compassionate in dealing with this situation.

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       Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       thanks for telling the other side with Paul about this topic, Maddie. Now I understand it better.

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    oh, thanks maddie, now I see... duh~~
    
    why even put up with this? they need to go join a chat room....
    they come back and do the same thing after their ban.

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    mega1posted 13 years ago

    Would someone be kind enough to list the bannable actions as for real, not as they are in the rules.  I need to know because I have trigger finger and my fingers type faster than my brain so I have to be careful.  Would it get anyone in trouble for listing the hypothetical bannable actions?  Don't want you to get in trouble, but I'm so curious.

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       relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       When you go to make a forum post, there's a link, in a blue box over on the lefthand side that contains a sentence that reads "Please use the Forums in the spirit of community!  forum rules"
       
       When you click through that link, you see a yellow box that contains the following:
       
       
       I don't know how much more real someone could explain that stuff.  It all seems rather plainly explained to me.

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    I echo Mega - what can we be banned for other than personal attacks?

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       Maddie Ruudposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Usually, for established users (people who sign up just to spam are showed no mercy), it's personal attacks or repeated posting of links despite warnings.

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    relache, I doubt if 3/4 of forum posters have ever read that.

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       relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I doubt that 10% of forum posters have ever read it...

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          darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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             rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             so that leaves 1/4 of the 10% that have read it possibly understand it.

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    cindyvineposted 13 years ago

    Ah, I haven't been on much lately but haven't see Mandy say anything that would get her banned again.  I don't know what happened for her to get a three day ban.  The fact she makes more accounts shows how committed she is to being a part of the HP family.  Seriously, just let her be.  She's not hurting anyone and all this banning etc is making her more like an icon.  There have been other hubbers who have made far far worse comments on the forums and they just get given the 'bad boy' label and it's accepted as just part of them.  In fact, they are even reverred for it.  Give her the 'bad girl' label and let her be.  Otherwise, this all degenerates to a primary school playground level.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No, it shows that she can't behave like a grown-up. 
       
       It's like the little kid who's punished for misbehaving, who then goes on misbehaving, and complains when the punishment keeps escalating.
       
       All Mandy had to do was take three days off. Now, for flouting the ban, she's forced to take 30 days off.  I hope she's learned her lesson.
       
       Bear in mind we are all guests of HubPages and we have to play by their rules while we're at their house.

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       Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Of course it brings it down to a playground level...the trouble is, I think many of us are just used to these kind of 'rules,' (which I might say the TOS are actually very vague, not plain...and which indeed could be interpreted in a variety of ways) with corporate work environments, etc., which are on the same level, and also, I believe there are some people who just don't like Mandy for whatever reason (and maybe there is reason she's not liked, I'm not saying there isn't.) 
       
       I'm glad you wrote this first, Cindy.  I was going to post something, then decided not to, due to my own experience here...then came back again.
       
       The fact is, only some 'things' are classified as personal attacks...that is for SOME people.  I ask, ie:  Are repeated nonsense posts in the forums following or targeting specific people considered "personal attacks?"  Only for some.  Maybe that was the case for Mandy.  Not so for others.  How about her kinda annoying (sorry, Mandy) writing style with all those exclamation points...or the fact you have to read between the lines to get what she's really trying to say?  Yeah, I bet that is bannable, especially for those not 'getting' what she said.  But other annoying 'styles' (and those guilty of more egregious sins) of other hubbers don't seem to be fit to be banned.
       
       I'm sure its like anything or anywhere I've been - a lot of this is interpretation and boils down to who is liked and who is disliked... Then there is always the skeleton crew phenomenon in any workplace coverage.
       
       Whatever.  Anyway--what happened (as far as what I saw and in my interpretation) is that Mandy came back under Mandy2, was fine for a while, and then posted some question about "creepy characters" in the forums.  Somebody evidently thought she was talking about them....or used the incidence to ban her.  In reality, she was talking about some creepy character in her personal life and wanted advice.  She was banned anyway.  'Interpretation,' I'm sure.
       
       Critical thinking skills and fairness are important.  Not so much, however, among or about those defined as unpopular OR difficult people (or maybe the words used are actually more along the lines of.."I just don't like her!"). I know, I happen to be one of the 'difficult' people on Hubpages if that definition can be defined by being banned for indiscretions (real or imagined).
       
       And I work in public relations. (!) I do find it ironic. But then the field is more about solving communication problems than it is about being 'nice' all the time.

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          Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          LOL, you're soooo not "difficult."  Your only problem is that you are intelligent and articulate.  That never does well in a place like this, a forum where the masses get to speak.
          
          From Aristotle to James Madison and lots and lots of great minds in between (and a handful afterwards), everyone has recognized the problem with that.  It's worse that you are a chick.  Chicks are supposed to make babies and bake cake.  You really should just learn your place.

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          Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think that's fair.  The moderators can't possibly monitor every post in every thread, so of course some people will get away with it. But that's not because HubPages staff "like" them, it's because other Hubbers don't report them.  You are just as much at liberty as anyone else to use the "report' button.
          
          
          
          If Mandy came back as Mandy2 because she was banned, she did something she's not allowed to do.  The minute the moderator noticed her, no matter how well-behaved she was being, she would have got banned again - because a ban is a ban, and if you can get around it by pretending to be someone else, what's the point of it?

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    Marisa Wrightposted 13 years ago

    ...the funny thing is, if someone is truly a reformed character, we probably never get to hear about it.
    
    I can think of one formerly notorious Hubber who came back with a new persona, promising that he was reformed. Unfortunately he had a few drinks, made a few inappropriate remarks and is now banned from the forums for life.
    
    He is not complaining about that - he accepts that he was his own worst enemy and has only himself to blame.  Which, IMO, is a sign that he's finally learned his lesson and could come back to the forums - but he's quite happy to leave things as they are and get on with other things.
    
    Mandy could do with taking a leaf out of his book.

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    If Lita were my wife ... I'd be in the oven baking cakes ... she's too smart a cookie to waste away in the kitchen (as are many other women here)

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    cindyvineposted 13 years ago

    I don't think she was pretending to be someone else.  In my mind Mandybeau2 is probably the same person as Mandybeau1.  She has been quite transparent and open.  She came back, towed the line, then got a three day ban.  Okay, I accept she should have just taken the ban, but if she is anything like me, it's the prinicple of the thing.  If the ban was unfair or overly harsh, and she sees other people getting away with saying some really nasty things.  Sorry Mark Knowles, but how many people complain about the way he speaks to them in the forums and yet it is excepted and he is never banned.  Then I can understand her fighting the ban by creating new accounts.  It goes back to the principle of the thing.  If a person perceives the punishment to be unwarranted and unjustified, then they will not take it lying down.  It is all a matter of perception.  Others might feel it was warranted, but if she doesn't...Do you get what I'm saying here?

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