Where is the crowd? In the forums one of my posts is deleted at the top, in the official announcements section... about hubnuggets... why? I feel insulted. Only a few postings there... all are deleted? Is HubPages dying?
I can still see your post. It is not dying at all! It is alive and kicking like a horsie!!
A little cloudy...but at least Spring is in full bloom down here. And in Big "D"?
cold this week, last week 80 plus LOL
Hope ya'll get a Good Steady, Nice Warm Spring...(with no cold fronts)...soon!
http://hubpages.com/forum/post/1555718.... it's no longer available.
Well, first of all you had the wrong link, but secondly you replied to a spammer's post on the thread, which meant your reply quoted him/her, with the spammy link intact.
You quoted a spammer, whose post we pulled down. Since your post included the quoted offending material, we had to take it down, too.
Moral of the story: Never quote a spammer in the forums.
I don't know if they're dying or not, but they do seem to be "bleeding" and "limping along" so to speak.
People trying to deny it do so at their own peril. Something is wrong but I think HubPages is trying to fix it though. I hope they do because I like HubPages.
I'm stunned to see people who's been here for years saying that for the first time in years they are not going to make AdSense payout. And people with over 400 hubs and used to getting regular payout saying that they made a little more than a dollar a day, etc. That's major, especially because a lot of people saying that are elite (with or without the "e" on their profile).
I've been making payout for almost a year and things are not that bad for me... yet. I added the HP new ad program a few days ago and it hasn't been so great. I was doing way better with AdSense alone. I'm letting the HP ad program run a little bit longer to give it a fair chance, but I'm not about to sit by and not make AdSense payout because of it.
Thanks for trying to make things better though HubPages. I hope things work out for good.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Now, I'm getting out of here before being slammed for telling the truth.
Just curious as to how you added the new HP ad program when you have no hubs?
Obviously a sockpuppet account. Didn't feel brave enough to say what he wanted to say in his usual username.
Having said that he raises some fair points.
You're kidding right? You'd think people could figure it out. This is a secondary acct. I learned the hard way to protect my work and income potential by keeping it separate from opinon.
People who disagree with you often are juvenile about it and try to attack in "certain" ways.
I hope you can figure out what I mean. If not, sorry, maybe It'll come to you later.
You can call it a limp... Or bleeding I suppose, because we did take a hit. I personally have been recovering, there is no question about that.
You also don't seem to realize it is a BRAND NEW AD SYSTEM THAT WILL IMPROVE. It is in beta testing. They want to make money to here at Hubpages...
It was a rough month with a lot of changes. There was a 4-5 day period I did not make anything. That was scary, but I waited it out. I continue to make more hubs, and will continue to make content.
Whether you want to call this a content farm or not I really can care less. There is no doubt that Hubpages and places like it will be around for a loooong time. You would have to be brainless to think otherwise. The only way it won't happen is if the Gov't steps in and takes away our freedom even more. Which has already happened somewhat to me.. Amazon is no longer a source of income for me..
THANKS GOVERNOR QUINN YOU JACKASS!
sorry getting a little heated
Whoa dude, why are you getting all emotional on ME? I didn't say anything about a "content farm", nor did I say anything about the government stepping in.
I said that I would give the new HP ad program a fair chance. I've read that they said it pulls down personal AdSense earnings and it might not be right for everyone. If it doesn't work for me, I'll deactivate it. I'm not going to sacrifice my monthly AdSense payouts for it. If the new HP ad program works for you then goody, goody gum drops for you & all is well like that.
Oh, now I get it! Sorry that your state tried to make Amazon pay taxes so they stopped the affiliate program there. I hate it for ya. But wait, i've been reading the forums. Didn't you say you've been living in Florida? So you're o.k. right?
I'm deciding.. Not sure yet. About the citizenship, but I think I am about to take action tomorrow. It really is dumb for me not to. Maybe it'll give me an excuse to be down here full time! Well not when it's really hot..
lol, I wasn't getting heated at you, and I wasn't really saying you said it was a content farm, I was thinking out loud. I do that a lot, people probably never understand me... haha
I am just in defense of Hubpages and what will spawn from it. I also can care less if you are trying to be a "sock puppet", but I feel like I already am one behind Mikeydoes.
Man, you got that right. LOL. You're all over the place. You should try to settle down a little bit. I don't know if you're being nice to me or nasty on this second quote. LOL.
I see you've got issues (greedy politicians messing up your game plan, and all).
Anyhow, I hope you can get it together. Hope it works out for you man.
Yes it is !! All the best writers gone. Only the ones the bend their heads and aquiesce are here.
Don't you worry about HubPages. Ehow filed bankruptcy in 2000 and look where they are now. Have a little faith ma dear!
HP will never die. Many of us are just involved with other things. Keep your head up, don't be disgruntled and just have fun on HP.
It's not dying. It's just standing in a nice steamy bathhouse, much like a glistening and naked Ethan Hawke and scrubbing away all of the dead cells. (Late 90's Ethan Hawke, not old and wrinkly Ethan Hawke, just so we're clear)
In a few days you are going to discover there are more HubPages elites than hubbers! HP and all the other content farms are dying. No doubt about it!
HubPages Elites are hubbers?
Cheer up, there is plenty of life left in HP, but if you are not happy here you can always write elsewhere.
Of course! I've to wait for some time before publishing my next article here. I don't like to make baseless comments. Crowd is decreasing very rapidly here... not that everybody will understand it just now. But a fact is always a fact!
Good example of my occasional bad grammar, RedElf by using the question mark after hubbers.
I meant to point out that HubPages Elites are hubbers,albeit ones who undertake special tasks on the site, so probably should have used an exclamation mark.
But if anyone is that unhappy with HP, they should just go and write somewhere else
I feel that you possess skills which would be well suited to the political forums, have you ever considered contributing to those?
It is tax season by the way, a hell of a lot of self-employed hubbers working out how much they have to give to the taxman this year, thus far too busy to talk about tripe such as the possibility of Hubpages dying.
You're the perfect example HP is dying... why can't you stay cool ryankett? And a bit gentle? You're looking frustrated.
My earnings are fine, by the way, I'm just frustrated by complete non-entities talking this site down.
Your have the 1000 page view accolade, congrats, that gives you absolutely no insight whatsoever into what has changed.
I am still publishing here.
Andycool, being completely Andyuncool, by sounding the death knell to somebody elses business with absolutely no appreciation of just how big this site was and still is.
Don't look at my accolades, that's silly to judge someone's potential. I'm here only six months... and maybe I'm a novice here.... that doesn't mean I don't know the rules of the game.
Here's a google insider for you:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … ogle.co.in
And another thing I want to mention: I and my kind of writing is in... you and your kind of writing is out... unless you change yourself.
That link leads to a post that was written on February 24th, the day of the algo change. It is not only out of date, it is inaccurate as it talks about Demand studios being one of the content farms that Google wanted to target, yet Demand studios were largely untouched - in fact their SERPS have improved.
What kind of writing would you say you write?
Oh I see, so your writing is 'in' and my writing is 'out'. Which would explain why I still make a four figure sum monthly on Hubpages
Thank you for linking to something a month after the event, as you can imagine the google algorithm change has been much discussed, mostly in the week preceeding the 24th February.
In other words, "old news, get your old news", this game moves very fast, the "hubpages is dying" thing became old at least two weeks ago. It is now the "I know what still works on Hubpages" thing, and if you aren't in that loop then that's not my problem.
Now you're talking like politicians! After three / four years of writing, earning four figures only is nothing to be proud of actually! Anyway we should stop these kind of arguments, at least I.
The future of content farms are in serious trouble, because such kind of business models are unsustainable in the long run. Now I don't expect anything in reply.
General people are the last to understand these corporate games. Google invented it and Google will destroy it.
Who has been writing for three or four years? Not me sunshine, 21 months to be precise.
And how much should I expect to be earning after 21 months on Hubpages? Five figures a month? Come down to earth, yeah?
Tell me, what do you know about the Squidoo slap of 2007? Not much? That was 4 years ago by the way, tell me what you know (probably nothing) and I will tell you what I know.
Oh I get ya actually.
The write-stuff-that-doesnt-win-any-traffic-and-then-you-wont-be-upset-when-the-algorithm-changes strategy.
I must try that sometime, you are probably onto something there. If I wasn't winning 26000 page views per day, I wouldn't be upset when that falls to 18000 page views per day.
If I get 50 page views per day, I have only to worry about losing 20 page views per day, instead of 8000?
Everybody, Andy Uncool is actually correct, let's all apologise. The only problem there is, how do I pay the electricity bill?
Hey Andy, you should write the book 'Andy Uncool tells you how to win absolutely NO traffic online'. You might have a market, the problem being that you need IM types like me to help you sell it?
I think Shadesbreath beat him to it
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Top-Five-Wa … f-Anti-SEO
Yes, but he hasn't produced an 'uncool' version has he?
Sort it out WryLilt, you have been here 11 months, got promoted to elite (oh, actually, where's your e?), and you still don't know the difference between one micro-niche and another!
Shadesbreath produced the 'cool' way not to win traffic, this is the Andy Uncool way to win traffic, big difference!
EDIT: I can see your 'e' again? When I quote you, that dissapears!
Er, not wishing to get into an argument but my 20 views a day dropping to 5 or less still hurt.
Is HubPages all about making money? Am I missing something?
No it is not, if you don't want it to be.
Yes, you are missing something. You are missing the fact that Andycool is sounding the death knell to Hubpages as a result of a severe loss of search engine traffic.
The suggestion that this site and other content farms are dying has everything to do with a loss of money.
Whether you like it or not, those who chase the money on here are the ones that pay the sites overheads. Without those people there wouldn't be a hubpages platform for the fiction writers, or the poets, irrespective of whether they have as much value in other ways to the community (which they of course do).
@Jefsaid, HubPages is beyond the 'making money' crazy drive, I can categorically tell that many of us have learnt a lot we never knew existed about writing and publishing articles (hubs) online, the awesome caring community of Hubbers and HubPages Team. The money thing here remains absolutely secondary for me; I started and passionately hubbed for over a year with less concern on this money crazy wagon thing. Though presently making sustainable income with my work here. The future of
HubPages is absolutely great and bright, no doubt about it. @andycool, how andyuncool you tend to become... Cooldown! HubPages will only get better.
Then you're leaving finally? I told you HP is dying, you were never convinced! There were always early symptoms, not readily understandable by everyone.
IMHO, "HUBPAGES IS DYING", lots of symptoms are there!
Andy...you're talking through a hole in your head. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about Hubpages, far less its regular users.
Hubpages is not dying. My traffic is back up, my earnings not quite, but I am just put back a month or two, that's all.
I am saddened to think the likes of you must have just loved seeing RyanKett flare up last night.
I missed all that through doing something else at the time.
But you must have noticed his flare up had nothing to do with HP, rather it was against a hubber who has been harassing him.
For you to use this for your own ends is just sad.
A hubber is harassing you and you're gone! If it's that simple let HP ban that hubber! If HP doesn't do it, what's then? Don't think everyone is a fool, and will believe what you want to make them to believe! You grow up first!
PS: Online writing is no rocket science!
I'm quite sure no one is forcing you to be here. I can understand hubbers being concerned with their income through these changes but then there's people like you that want to bash Hubpages. Why? The great thing about Hubpages is if you don't want to log on anymore..you don't have to. If you want to delete your content...you can. Your complaining will get you nowhere though. Some of us have found a nice little home here where such negativity is just not welcome. Talking about Hubpages or the Elite will get you nowhere....it won't earn you anymore traffic and it certainly won't make you more money so why bother? Surely you have something more productive you can do with your time....like write more hubs.
And...to tell someone their style of writing is "out" and yours is "in" is as ridiculous as telling someone not to look at your accolades...oh wait, you did both. Point being, it's just kind of silly.
Now you're proved silly, theherbivorehippi! See, a lot of high voltage hubbers are gone! Today ryankett gone, what are you doing here?
"Some of us have found a nice little home here where such negativity is just not welcome." When I read this kind of stuff I feel sorry for you! See how ryankett did attack me a few days ago in this thread, and see where he is today! I don't like to make baseless comments! You found a nice little home here just can't necessarily be a precondition that everything should be positive here! A fact remains a fact always!
Lol.. YOU ARE A JOKE. I don't care what you say and it's none of my concern if other Hubbers choose to leave..all I'm concerned about is that I'm making money so whatever. Everyone has to do what's best for them. Why does any of this affect me? It doesn't. I've had some of the strongest earnings I've ever had on Hubpages in the past 9 days. Do you really have nothing more productive to do with your time?
To say you feel sorry for me....for what? Because I'm making money. Oh boo hoo...yes..please feel sorry for me.
The site is not dying, instead it is changing like all vibrant businesses do when faced with challenges.
Why you would think it is dying, I don't know.
I agree, lakeerieartists! My businesses are always dying in one way or another today and are waiting to be revised and updated, tomorrow. It's not always fun, but that's the way it often works.
Do you still think so? I mean the man who started calling me andyuncool is no more with HP! Unwanted and undesirable facts are always hard to digest!
What Ryan does has no reflection on your contribution to this discussion.
You are the typical ' head bend down guy' ! LOL
More "elite" hubbers vs average hubbers? Not likely. On a second notion, that status has nothing to do with "content farm".
However, you are likely to believe what you want in light of what is said to begin with.
I will repeat, Hubpages is not dying.
Dying - I don't think so.
Changing - most definitely.
The real question is who will survive the changes?
I agree with all you said.
HP is in the middle of a paradigm shift (as is behavior on the Internet). It's going from what it was to what it will be. Along the way, there will be stormy weather.
HP isn't inventing its changes willy-nilly, it's acting on its knowledge and experience. And so I believe the future for HP is a good one.
But along the way, there is plenty of dissent as those who are reluctant to change dig their heels in the ground while they find fault. That negative energy could be turned to the positive by leaving non-productive ideas behind in this new environment.
Sally's Trove, your comment is the best I've read so far and I definitely agree with you. HP is not the problem.. HP is doing it's best to help us cope with the problem that Google created. As I have only been here a few months, my hubs have not been affected by the new Google algo and the changes being implemented by HP only affected a few of my hubs, as I don't have a lot of hubs in the first place. Most people don't like changes, specially if the changes affect them personally and financially. But I believe that after the dust has settled, HP will still be standing tall.... definitely not dead!
Absolutely! Hubpages is alive and well and anyone who thinks otherwise needs a reality check.
Hubpages isn't dying. It's becoming higher quality.
And as for the comment about elites, if that's the case, why am I the first elite to comment on this thread?
From what I can tell they are trying to improve the site and keep quality writers. I haven't had any negative issues with my site. I had to make a couple minor changes but nothing drastic.
I am very new to hub pages and writing in general. Started freelancing in late November and writing on hubpages in early Dec. I have noticed a decrease in pageviews even in my little bit of experience here. I do believe hubpages is trying to improve the site and I think it will survive.
The only thing that has happened is... DUNH DUNH DUHHH!
Google had an algorithm change! Go complain to Google. Make due and share your knowledge if you found ways to improve your rank. It NOW is harder to get high page ranks, but NOT IMPOSSIBLE! I still have several hubs that are ranked first, and wouldn't you know it.. I spent more time on those hubs!
What amazes me is people look at the graph and that little bump in the road, and immediately seem to think the internet and more specifically Hubpages is going to die off?? That is what it looks like to me.. I'm not really sure. All it is is gloom and doom and blowing things out of proportion with these people I don't get it. There is no rhyme or reason for it, either deal with the changes and make the necessary changes. We don't want hear your theories that are going to be proven wrong in if not a couple months, a few years down the road.
So here is my advice to you saying Hubpages is dying.
Ride it out, or even better.. RIDE OUT.
PS, lets not forget WHY this stooge thinks hubpages is dying. His post got deleted. The reason why is even more pathetic and hilarious at the same time.
Stupid fella... how do you write guys with so little intelligence? Got heated so easily and got cooled equally quickly? Don't live your life by hearing theories... try to build theories if you're intelligent and educated enough!
Want to try and type so we could understand you? What theories? I have all my own philosophies and theories. I was heated at Governor Quinn?? Something you may want to read up on. Everything you say has been proven wrong in this thread. And you called me stupid, isn't that enough for a ban?
We've both been here 6 months, do you want to compare earnings and stats? If yours are better than mine, there is no reason you'd be saying Hubpages is dying, unless you are blind. I'm pretty sure I've outperformed you, which shows I can't be that dumb. And I'm also not here to outperform anyone, but when someone calls me stupid, I'd wonder how smart they really are. Especially when their stats aren't even in the same class. What I have learned from this site is worth it's weight in gold. Never mind my earnings..
You have no idea what you are talking about, and have little idea what my plans are for the future. I am extremely intelligent and will be making incredible amounts of money off of this site and sites like it for the rest of my life. You will be eating your words like crazy. Watch me. Literally.
A lot of people who took earnings hits weren't happy, of course. Nobody would prefer that. Most have said they're waiting to see what happens. Many have since noticed, or are beginning to notice, improvements again. It's business. Businesses, or business endeavors, are like people - they have their days when they're under the weather, but it doesn't mean they're dying.
It's too early for me to assume this is a trend; but since I was on here commiserating about having less-than-a-dollar days a few days recently, it may be worth mentioning that since the weekend, things have improved. Today, is the best day I've seen (not including the HP ad program) since, I think, the first few days in March. Besides, I've just been figuring that if one kind of earnings dwindles and can be replaced by another kind (one way or another) - that's fine. "Adjusting to change" doesn't equal "death".
I checked how my pages are ranking today and they seem to be improving. One started as #3, then went down to the bottom of the page and today it is #1. I think Google is bumping Hubpages back up a bit.
Maybe we should all be sharing pages we really like with friends at Facebook. I get enough videos shared with me that it is time to get even with some of my Facebook friends anyways. It would help out my favorite hubbers at the same time.
HP is not dead.
HP is not dying.
HP is in the middle of spring cleaning.
HP is a cool.
HP is hot.
HP is definitely not dying!!!
my two cents
Please hubpages don't die before my 30 days of 'russian hot babes,aunties hubs' experiment.
aw no it is not dying, just changing, and a little confusing at times, but with die hard hubbeers, like some on this thread, it will never die.....................
Whether you say HP is dying or not is pure speculation. Only the top management of the company know what's going on and whatever decisions they make will be for the good of their company.
I would try to increase and diversify your income streams and try to develop your own blogs.
Being a Hubpages writer is like renting in a really cool apartment building. Lots of cool stuff is included but in the end there are circumstance that you cannot control.
Having your own blog is like having your own house - much more control
Always be working towards slightly more freedom. That way you rely on fewer people to write and make a living.
That is what i am working towards and I suggest everyone do that same. If you need help or advice, contact me
If active Hubbers keep having their Hubs flagged and unpublished I could see the things getting pretty bad here.
If HubPages is now re-defining itself, then maybe we should be allowed to have a break, until HubPages finds its identity.
Something strange is definitely going on here. Its putting writers off and treating hubbers badly. I have been taking some of my hubs off and placing them on my own blog.
I have made some changes. How long will these people take. They dont even answer to your emails.
Do you think you are the only hubber on here submitting hubs for review? If I'm correct...you just said yesterday that you resubmitted. They need time. I resubmitted a hub and it was back published in about 36 hours which is a pretty fast response. If you dealt with other sites then you would know that sometimes you can't get a response for several days. Give them a little time.
If the hubs do not fit their TOS, they have every right to send warnings or unpublish hubs. If people would clearly read what HP accepts, you would see it has nothing to do with 'treating hubbers badly'.
HP has 205,278 published users, so be patient with your email response. And it is a weekend.
A changing business environment is one thing. But if this is a manual google slap, that just refuses to give us back our traffic - that's another thing. It's hard to believe that such a specific impact wasn't a very conscious and targeted one. How does an online business survive without large amounts of high quality traffic?
I'm not even sure that linking to my other sites from HP is a good idea anymore.
Even if it isn't a technically manual slap. It was aimed squarely at the likes of Hubpages and their business model. It affected less that 15 percent of all searches. They don't revise algos in a vacuum. The looked at the SERPs didn't like what they saw and then whacked away until they cleansed the results to their liking. Killing HP and leaving eHow. After a month of languishing and watching - that should tell us something.
Nelle, while Hubpages has been affected in this change, it has really not been a straight across the board slap towards all similar types of websites.
When I compare my Hubpages stats to what I get on Squidoo, I have found that on average, my hubs are now performing very similar to the way my lenses perform. The main difference for me has been that my lenses were more supported by backlinks than my hubs were because they performed without the backlinks.
For my Squidoo portfolio I have had little or no change in overall performance. I think that is just because the pages are more established and better supported. I have heard others are losing traffic there just like here.
Google is a part and parcel of the business equation for writing online whether we choose to like it or not, and we need to learn to work within their system to succeed.
I only joined hubpages the today and I have already made 7 hubs.........I think advertising will become more popular as the internet grows and people need an extra bit of money
So I would be pretty confident that it isn't dying and could possibly just be a dip or bad point, but it will grow eventually
check out my profile and hubs, they talk about some interesting things:)
I have no trouble with Google right now on my other sites. I have trouble with Google on HP.
If it was that simple I'd probably just walk away and check back in six months and see how my hubs are doing. But when you throw ebay into the equation, I have to see if I need to unpublish lots of ebay hubs to protect my account.
I've already stopped fixing the remaining ones and am just letting the filter unpublish them. So its not so easy as just saying deal with Google.
When Mark Knowles and sunforged (and you) are also watching ebay accounts, I only have to wonder how deep this will go. And then if this is the best place to write any more.
I guess what I am trying to say is that my stats on Hubpages are now looking more like my Squidoo stats and as I work on supporting my account through the same methods as I have learned to use on Squidoo, I expect to continue to see growth and stabilization throughout the entire Hubpages account.
My Ebay account actually has started to improve, and I expect to see that continue as well. Although I am working to improve it in other ways as well.
As is typical with this forum - any attempt at strategic thinking has been derailed by personality. I don't care who Andycool is and who he has a beef with. He asked an interesting question that we all should think about. But somehow he isn't worthy of being allowed to question the future of HP, when alot of us have been.
Yes it could have been a good discussion if we were all adults here, and didn't have to put up with pointless sniping.
I don't feel hubpages is dying. I do think it will be hard work to get it back to the very strong position it had previously. Despite the slap, many are still seeing front page for their keywords. Low earnings and low hits are a measure of market selection to a large degree. There is a single hub here that is a pile of guesswork and conjecture, badly written and yet has had more than a million hits.
The topic was hot, so it got hot traffic.
I agree with you. I do not see Hubpages as even close to dying. Instead I see it evolving to a new way of growing. Like most transitions, the reasons for some of the changes were in reaction to outside forces. In this case, the biggest one was the change in Google.
However, with the work to improve the site, and the addition of the new Hubpages Ad Program, I predict that earnings will bounce back much more quickly than they would on many other sites if they were in the same position.
That may indeed mean that we will not be able to use Ebay in the same way, however, it doesn't mean that Hubpages is dying.
Comparing Hubpages to your own sites is not comparing apples to apples. As Google sees it they are two different animals. But it does not mean that Hubpages does not have a place going forward. It will just be a slightly different one than it has had in the past.
Hopefully it will never die. Perhaps stuff is just getting lost in the sea of content more these days?
I wonder what the feeling is now? Is it dying or dead with change?
Yes, Andy, HP is dying. Time to get the rifle and put it out of its misery. Every change made in the name of improving traffic only drives it to new lows. HP is no longer worth the time or effort.
I wandered around Quantcast. HubPages will easily clear 25 million visitors globally this month. That's almost as many as on my own website. I think everything will be fine.
Props to whoever necroed this thread. Quite amusing to see certain members' 180 change in viewpoint between then and now.
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