Apprenticeship Program
Wow!!!
That sounds great and I would like to reap from the benefits of the apprenticeship program in the future. Unfortantely right now I have a lot on my plate between my regular job and taking a couple online classes to finish up a Masters Degree that was on hold for the last couple of years. It does sound tempting though and good luck to all of you who are now and will be participating in the program at a future date. Keep in touch and let me know how you all are progressing from time to time. And hopefully this apprenticship program is nothing like the show that Donald Trump had started on television a few years back-I'm sure there is no comparison!
Thanks for the feedback.
Jl
Well, that answers my question as to if you need to be a newbie
I had received an email inviting me but it didn't specify what it was, then I received another one saying I went on a waiting list because of the overwhelming response. I definitely want to do it.
This is the question that I was searching for an answer to, when I found your comment, Marisa.
Does anyone know?
Thanks!
TammyThis is why I asked to be released from my application, EF. That and not knowing who is teaching the classes in the first place. So far, I've found no staff member I wish to emulate, as far as writing ability is concerned. I'll just struggle along as I have and not be under any kind of pressure to support things I disagree with. In my humble opinion, money is not worth giving up one's ability to voice one's concerns when things aren't right.
Yep, that idiot is still running the show over at Helium and is a joke as a moderator. Because of having such a person defending the site's rule changes, it has sunk to new levels of obscurity as a content source. I detest brown-nosers no matter where they are. But writing sites always have a "Rex" or two to quell dissent concerning any changes which may cause problems for them. It's merely business, I suppose!
It's amazing how a silly little presumptuous title will affect some folks negatively!
Never read it, but I am sure it is relevant for you to have mentioned it
You maintain ownership of your Hub. The per-Hub bonus, is just that, an added bonus.
I'm working about 50 hrs per week and was able to do it. Just thirty minutes of writing a day worked for me. Only do it if you have the time, but it may seem much more daunting than it really is. Good luck in whatever you choose to do!
Jl,
If you are at all worried about time, then you should wait. It *is* a great program that everybody should join, bit it is also intensive as the others have said. However, if you don't meet the minimum requirements in any given month, then you're out. Since you only have one shot, best to wait until you know you have time. That way you can fully benefit, and be sure to stick it out for the duration - because it's just that awesome
Shanna11, I knew you you had a superhero uniform on under your regular clothes! You must be exhausted... Hubhugs
LOL!...hilarious...((
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What the program has done for me is give me more motivation to write, more ideas of topics to write about, and I definitely like friendliness of my team. I am happy to have been invited to the beta group.
I think the quality of my hubs has gone up.I'm not sure that I can add any more than what has already been said about the program but I will add that I truly look forward each day to the new things that I am learning and the awesome interactions with the team. I also can say that I have seen an increase in traffic as well. I can't believe that we are just starting month 2 and can only imagine what I will be like as an online writer at the end of the 6 months.
Jl, do what you feel that you can handle. I know that I really thought long and hard about the commitment part of it as well. As a full time elementary teacher and mom of two preschool kids, I didn't know if I could handle it all, but I made it work. I don't sleep much
but I knew that this was a temporary situation and the benefits would be lifelong.That answered my question! I am very, very interested in the program, but with the kids I was worried about having the time to do it. I don't sleep much anyway, so I could use that awake time to write.
The Apprenticeship Program seems like such a great thing to be involved in! I sent in my application and I'm hoping that I'll be accepted eventually...
Congrats to everyone who has already become a part of it! I've looked over a few of your articles and wow, they're looking GREAT! Such inspirationsYou have all answered a number of my questions. I also wondered about the time it would take to learn and then apply the lessons to new hubs, but you have given me encouragement to go ahead and apply. Thanks for all of the feedback!
I have watched a couple of cell phone created videos that worked pretty well also.
I use the free program that came with my old laptop too, cara. Does just fine, and not a whole lot of hassle was involved in getting it set up.
Will everyone get a 'rejection' or 'in the waiting list' email? or is there a deadline when we should expect an acceptance!
Hotmail have sent me an email to tell me to stop checking my inbox every 38 seconds!Also - is there a way to amend an application! I just re-read the info and realized I'd put in a subject that is not allowed within the program!!! So I don't want to get rejected because I'm an 'idiot who can't read'!!!
Obviously from these posts, newbies are targeted for the new program over those of us who have been here for a while. Please withdraw my application and thanks for your loyalty, HP!
Then you've not looked at those who are in the program, Simey. Some have only been here a couple of months and others only a bit longer. Sure, the greeters and others who always go along with anything HP says will be in the program first. It's always been this way here. At least this time they didn't try to pull the old "random selection" line they've used before.
And no, I don't expect loyalty from HP for the members who have made the site lots of money and kept it going through the hard times of Pandas and other such troubles. I'm not that delusional! It feels good to be overlooked for someone who's only been here a matter of 4 weeks or so, right?
But good luck with your application anyway! Edited to add-look at the first page of this thread, Simey. There are 3 people on the first page in the program who haven't been here 6 months yet. I didn't search any further along but I'm sure there are more. So much for that!
Unless HP figures the veterans are already experienced enough to not need this new program then no, it's not fair, Marisa. Otherwise, why have certain other older members in it at all? And the second month does have older members in it as Holle has stated she was invited to participate. You can't have it both ways.
And I too am curious as to why they are paying upfronts for the hubs, as well as, teaching them things we had to learn for ourselves the hard way. Nope, HP has no loyalty to many of its older members. But what else is new? This place is reminding me more of Helium every day! And we know how that place turned out, don't we? HA! "Scheme" is a good word for it!
Tell you what, working in the outside world with the three dimensional people sure means you miss a lot around here!
Hey Randy do you think that we need to put up a mail box? Looks like stuff like mail, cards and invitations isn't getting through to the Big G Sandbox?Reading this thread was the first I heard of this program Izzy, so I've not even thought of applying/not applying. Probably forgot to put the stamp on my invitation lol! (or I deleted an email without really looking at the subject line
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I'm not sure what this upfront payment is all about as I think that getting a free course that teaches you a lot and mentors you is enough of a reward. If they are going to change the site to upfront payments and then you lose the right to your material then I am definitely off elsewhere.
I think that the big shame is that what is probably a very worthwhile, beneficial project has been handled in such a way that it has caused dissension among hubbers.
Every hubber on the site who is writing hubs to an acceptable standard needs to feel appreciated and encouraged, as after all we are all creating HP's revenue. This has been handled in such a way that it has done nothing to help the perception that HP is becoming more and more of an insiders club, and that if you don't have membership to the inner clique then you are not welcome.
I would have thought that this would be a perception that HP would want to dispel, to make sure that the site was inclusive and welcoming. It is human nature to always want to include your old friends and adherents in new projects and give them contest prizes etc when they do well, but there are thousands and thousands of good hubbers on the site, so maybe occasionally they need to spread their nets a bit wider and risk including some hubbers who aren't necessarily dyed-in-the wool HP cheerleaders in their projects?
Without the dissenting, original, in-your-face, grumpy, bad-tempered, unique, heretical etc, etc hubbers this will indeed become a very bland place, and we should all welcome a bit of difference and spice to liven things up a bit. But with all this recipe and how to stuff, I'm concerned that HP is morphing into some kind of vanilla flavoured 21st century Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management, and the only recipes I know involve vodka lol!
No, of course not. Your complaints are baby sh*t!
As I told Shanna, you are not blamed for being chosen. You are simply another victim--as the rest of us are--of the insensitivity of TPTB.
No doubt you are biased, as you cannot help but being. Suppose you had a job for many years and then someone without your experience and loyalty to the company was promoted after being there only a matter of weeks. Would YOU be pleased? It's the same thing. Try looking at it from this perspective.
Trusted? What a laugh! Have you been banned repeatedly with no explanation as to why in most cases? I even got banned for a month "accidentally" according to the email I received. No explanation for that one either. So yes, you might say I'm a bit perturbed.
But good luck with the program! There's no doubt I won't be in it!
Yep, it's easy to tell someone they should probably leave after they've been here over 3 years. I prefer to hope things get better instead of worse here. If I had only been here 5 months like you, I would have already left.
Don't worry about it, Shanna! Believe me, your turn to be ticked off about these sort of things is guaranteed in the future. I'm sorry you guys are caught in the middle, I really mean it. Staff knew it would cause trouble, so don't take it personally!
This is a competitive business. Don't look back
No one is blaming you, Shanna. And this isn't the first time HP has treated its veterans this way by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps if you had been here for several years and then been ignored for those who just joined, you would understand what I'm referring to.
This isn't about you at all! HP put you in this position, so get angry at them if at anyone. They knew this would happen because they've done this before. You'll be the victim of something similar if you stay here long enough.
Bitter and jealous? Bitter at the lack of loyalty on this site, no question. Jealous? Of whom or what? I seriously doubt HP can teach originality to it's apprentices if they don't already possess it.
Yes, I know originality is not the object of this program, CPC. And whether you have more talent than you know what to do with is certainly your opinion. I certainly do not claim that for myself and besides, this is not the issue here. I merely wonder how HP chose the group in the first place and how they decided to promote those who have very little time on this site instead of those HP knew had been around through the hard times already.
Do you have more than one account, I wonder? I certainly hope so, as having only 6 hubs doesn't bode well for your opinion having much weight on this subject. But you are free to express yourself as we all are. Good luck getting invited to the program!
Thanks. We'll see how it goes if I get accepted. I had many more hubs at one time but removed most of them to other sites. WriteAngled just enlightened me regarding the number of writers to this site and the amount of time it would take if we all waited our turn.
Can't really speak to the selection process.
Is this a word used in the new apprentice program? Or is it your own take on authorship?
Will, I'm agreeing with you again. Who are you, and what have you done with the real Will?
No I had a little peek back out over the edge yesterday, but since my return to your august company, my traffic has experienced some days of all-time lows! I'm not sure that being let out occasionally for visits to the sunlit uplands of Google traffic is that great really, as you get your hopes up again, get all enthused and then get slapped back down.
I really must do something about the 'vacuous' stuff I write lol!
"A company agitator"!
Way to BN, Simey! This should get you an invite pretty quickly!
I think I counted 9 newbies under 6 months membership who posted on this thread. This doesn't leave much room for the greeters in the first 30, does it? And we still don't know how many newbies have been invited in the first wave. Let's see, at 30 a month that's only 360 a year at this rate.
Oh, I'll bet the newbies are supposed to teach the rest of us oldies when they get through the program. The ultimate slap upside the noggin would be right in line with the way things are heading here. And yes, after all of the previous slights we've suffered, HP knew darn well what they were doing and what trouble would come of it. Certainly they won't claim they didn't, or will they?
Let us know when you get the invite and we'll see how the BNing worked, Simey!
Seriously, you'll consider the glass half full like many others until it's tossed in your face, but by the time you find out what the outcome is it will be too late to speak out, as you've already taken up for them. What good would it do then?
And I did not assume the rest of the group were newbies. I merely pointed out those who posted on this thread. I'm sure HP will gladly give us a list if we ask them. (joking)
I'm not suggesting the program is a bad thing at all, just badly handled as usual. I am sure however, they were well aware of the problems it would cause by doing this in such a manner. Thus the secrecy they utilized in the first place. The whole thing is certainly humorous to me as nothing surprises me here anymore. And I am laughing at it despite what others may think. It's not as if I depend on HP for anything substantial any longer. ;P
I really don't mean to be so hard on you, Simey as I consider you a worthy member here. Unfortunately, being a worthy member isn't worth a hoot to HP as we are merely numbers on a computer program. I truly hope you are accepted in the program if you want to be in it. I do wonder who taught the teachers, though!
Glad you don't take it personally, Simey!
And despite what others may think, I have everyone's best interest at heart when I create a stench on the forums. Like Marisa said earlier in this thread, I've dealt with some very bad writing sites before and hate to see this one go the way of those others.
When a site starts showing favoritism to those who haven't contributed as much as those who helped establish it in the first place, it is usually the beginning of the end. I only hope HP will eventually get a good member PR person as they certainly don't have one now! I've said my peace and unless I'm addressed further by anyone else I'll just fade back into the woodwork now.
" A sense of familiarity with the staff"? After only 2 months on the site, as well!
Try again, CPC!
I agree, there is a PR issue and a perception that HP doesn't always have the member's interest at heart - and this is something that HP does have to fix! I also feel that HP are open to constructive critism, but there's a very fine line between constructive and non-constructive - and as is the case there's a whole boat load of subjectivity involved.
I've seen HP react to critism and change things, but I've also seen people ignored.
The problem for me is that the forum isn't really the place to discuss 'business issues' - although I'm not sure where the right place is - a more formal approach where concerns are voiced and addressed in a calm and constructive way is needed so that we all can have a voice.
We'll never have total calm here but I agree that there must be a better way to discuss these things without feeling you're rocking the boat.Of course they are! They knew it was coming, they've been through it before. No surprise for either us nor them.
Who said everyone is out to get them, Will? Do you accuse everyone who speaks up about things they consider wrong twisted and bitter? I've certainly read a few complaints by you before on the forums. Twisted and bitter are you? Oh, that's different, right?
So who then were you referring to in your post, Will?
Wow! What a coincidence your random philosophical speculation came out in this thread, especially with so many others to post it in. What are the odds it would be so?
Sorry!
- kelleywardposted 12 years ago
0 WriteA - Yes, fortunate you! Thanks for the incredible statistics. I guess I was being overly optimistic.
(understatement)
I respect your opinion and your writing. Getting off topic, I've been meaning to tell you that every time I see your avatar, I think of a young Shirley MacLaine. Any suggesstions on how to get freelance work?Now if I can only differentiate the saner moments from all the rest.
Sorry you're leaving, WO! I fear I won't be long behind you, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I was going to email you but I didn't see your contact info on your profile. Sorry dude. This used to be a pretty good place to meet and talk with other writers without being censored by the mods or having others hit the report button if you didn't toe the line. Feel free to drop me a line if you wish.
If it was merely the traffic I have problems with here, then I can deal with that. And besides, this isn't the same HP I joined three years ago. My BS tolerance meter is running over close to the red zone right about now. Heck,I wouldn't be surprised to see Rex on the boards here before long!
I will 'out' myself now as part of Group 2. Why me? Don't really know, but I took the invitation to mean that I am a decent writer, but could use some help with SEO, keyword research and maybe a few other 'online' lessons. I also have a pretty good niche given my specialty and could do better (me & Hubpages) if I was encouraged/incentivized to write more. And it's working.
I had just seen a big uptick in views over the last few months for whatever reason, which then prompted me to write my first hub in a really long time and was just thinking about setting up my own site when I got the invite. I wasn't sure, but decided to jump in and it kept me writing here, instead of starting something new since I don't have time for both. It's easier here with the layouts and so on. So here I am.
I've been here 16 months and have written with variable frequency on several topics, but do best with the anesthesia hubs, so that's what I'm doing. The upfront payments and help with titles make it worth writing with more frequency. That's my story.To answer that question would require me to have psychic powers so can't help you there, I'm afraid
Does anyone know how long the wait list to get into the Apprenticeship program is? I applied, received an email generally describing what I'd read online here, but I have gotten no answer. If I knew my place on the waitlist, I could be more of a patient waiter.
NamasteI have a question,
I got invited to a BETA in Feb., but was unsure of what it was. Was this the BETA program for apprenticeship program and if so, will I still be able to enter the program even if I did sign up when I was invited?After reading some of the thread, not all of it, I'm curious why some hubbers assume all newbies don't know how to write well.
HP attracts writers! It's an online publishing site. I don't see why HP would need to exclusively limit a new program to veteran hubbers only. There is a fresh excitement with new writers that I'm sure HP admin notices. And for the complainers, well, come on, who would you choose first for a brand new program? Those who always complain about your business model?I will second that.
I wonder who the mentors are in the program? Strangely enough, not a single one is mentioned in this thread that I can see.
But hey, what a success story for the apprenticeship program. A staff picked Elite is also staff picked to be one of the first of only 30 hubbers to be in the new program, is mentored by the staff for week and told what the staff wanted to see in a hub. Then is picked by staff for a weekly contest win and later picked by staff for the grand prize. Something seems a bit funny there, I just can't put my finger on it.........!
Coincidentally, the apprentice program is started on the very day of the new program. What great PR to have one of the first in the program hand picked to win the grand prize and show what an apprentice can do with just a week of mentoring. Favoritism? Nah, just a boatload of mere coincidences.
But I'm merely speculating as I've not been able to find out who the judges for the contest or the mentoring program are. Conspiracy theory? Sure, but even if it isn't true what are the odds?
,You too, Cardelean! And congrats on your surprising win! It couldn't have come out any better if it was drawn up that way!
Sorry you have this opinion of me, Denise. I only entered one article which I had been working on anyway and just happened to find a question I could enter it under. I had no hopes of an article about slavery competing with a homemade play doh entry.
I'm sure it's merely a massively coincidental occurrence which just happened out of the blue. I had no hopes at all of winning anything in the contest. But there were plenty of others who worked hard on it and didn't have the benefit of being told by the judges what they wanted to see. Perhaps you know who the judges and AP mentors are?
Do you really think I didn't expect some one like you to say exactly what you said, Denise? Perhaps you believe I simply dash off my posts on these forums without a second thought of the repercussions they may produce? If so, you are sadly mistaken. Even if I had no entries at all in the contest I would say the same. This is not about Cardelean or her abilities. She's a fine writer and I say no different.
I'm sure she works hard, as you say, and I have no problem with her other than the name of the title she sports. And I'm really making no accusations as to any wrongdoing in this case because I don't know if the AP mentors are the same as the judges.
I can't find out who makes up either group and strangely enough, no one out of the entire group of chosen AP's who have posted on this thread have mentioned any of them by name.
But let me ask you one question and get your response. Do you think it would be unfair for an entrant in a contest to be mentored as to what was wanted, by one of the judges in the contest?
Isn't it great we all have those family sayings to put into these forum posts. My late grandpa used to say : "Whar thar's smoke, thar's far"!
I"m not "harping" Marisa. I'm merely defending myself against accusations by Denise. If you think it is unfair of me to ask her a question in return, I will withdraw it.
Congratulations, FitnessMarkLorle, for applying to the Apprenticeship program. It does sound like a wonderful opportunity. I will think positive thoughts for you.
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