Can you judge a person by his or her looks?
Hi Mega, so did you!
I'm pushing the limits on another "no-touch" topic and see where it goes.
A lot of social fears emerging. People react to it in very passionate ways and it shows me how people reject ideas that may expose them.- . I assure you, you're the one jumping to conclusions.
Read my links. Now a theory is a theory. I can quote studies until ad nauseum about mind body connections but you know why you think I'm jumping to conclusions? Because people would readily touch universal physical features but are afraid of race...but then had I not ventured on race...an important point will not be raised.
Racial features shows a divergent adaptive styles and therefor behaviors,
big nope
Can you judge a persong by their looks? Never. I've met too many people whom I would've sadly lost the opportunity of knowing if I had decided to judge on their appearance. I've learned to never assume, it just makes an a-s-s out of u-m-e!
It's not an issue of judgment. It's an issue of how the physical appearance bears clues to a person's tendencies not choices.
A person that advertises bad fat genes on the face will not necessarily choose to be fat. BY changing habits of thought, you change appearance in the long term.
That said, certain things cannot be changed for instance...a person with slanty narrow eyes will always have a tendency to be detailed and cautious versus the wide eyed big boobed blonde who's open to whatever you suggest.
Green snakes are harmless?
Where do you get this stuff? Try cuddling up to a green Mamba snake. Deadly as hell!
I could argue that.
It is obvious to me she knows little about snakes, and the other arguments are also conjecture. I do not like to point this out, but after establishing that green snakes are not all harmless, she goes on about the red ones. I think the "they bite, you die thing is a bit much too!
In the bush if we got bitten even by a tiger snake, we always tied the wound off with a bandage and cut the wound and bled it. Then..... back to work. I saw several people bitten by so called deadly snakes like the Australian tiger or yellow belly, red belly browns who simply ignored it, because the snake did not get a good strike. It is rare to cop enough venom to kill you if you wear clothes!Yeah, but did she go to bed yet?
At this point I'm probably better off just staying up anyway.
Maybe I am crazy... Waste of time.You have an awful lot of facial hair Earnest.
Which I find sexy, but it probably means you're a cheater.Loyal as a Labrador PB!
except for red and yellow milk snakes..harmless...
I believe you can see a whole lot in some-one's eyes. They are a window to the soul. They tell a story just by looking in.
When you are truly happy the eyes laugh too.I agree with blonde poet on the eyes, but my personal view is that you should never judge some one on their looks, only what is on the inside is what counts lol
I see what you mean!!
Some people dont always take pride in their appearance but can be the nicest people you could ever wish to meet and vice versa if you know what i mean?
Never judge a book by its cover lolErr...yes.
I'm confused, you did not know that genetics are born out of habits of choice?
You are creating and recreating your genes as we speak.
if the child was at risk from abuse or neglect etc I would seriously hesitate but if the child is not at risk then no I would not hesitate because that lady poses no threat and is a genuine loving person. xx
- crmhaskeposted 14 years ago
0Well, brown skinned people are generally apologetic, will be polite and smile a lot even when they disagree with you. Notice how I'm still polite and smiling
You can call me names and I'll still smile genetics has its advantages. Care for a snack?
I will come back after dinner for my sources.
I assure you, I am not making things up.
Well then she is black I believe, at least partially, so according to her own theory perhaps she just doesn't have a natural disposition for science.
As a matter of fact, I am lighter skinned than my fellow Filipinos. I also do not associate so much in many fiestas.
See? She said so. And in all caps. So it must be true.
I could go on and on to the point of ridiculous.
The thing is, all people are sentient. All people are capable of adapting and getting new ideas. That is not the point. Adaptation styles include physical adaptations to a specific environment.
Saying I'm racist because I am saying racial features arise from chemical/biological natures is just putting color that exist only one's own colored thinking.
People have different styles of adaptation and its varied. To say one is superior than the other is funny. On what measures?
There are many different measures of superior which eventually even things out.
Science was created by a predominantly white population...it is an adaptive consequence. BUT that said, Chinese and Indian Medicines are quite impressive as well. They are not called science but only now science is recognizing the :scientific basis for them. But I digress,
this is about physical features... Taking offense is your option but no need to put color where there is none. COLOR is a melatonin thing and melatonin is from a gland and gland secretions affect our behavior.
fact, science, neutral.
Sorry, I never finished reading that book.
Which actually is true. The Human... something. I fergit. I started it, but never finished reading it. Got it around here somewhere...
- crmhaskeposted 14 years ago0
Except maybe Pandora Box whose dogged perserverance in these forums frightens me a little !
I merely seek peace and understanding.
fortunately for you, I am only a writer testing the attitudes of people on a premise on a subject matter that interests me.
"on a premise" ..premise. Not fact.
That's exactly what I believe too: in reading people we CAN get it wrong...so why have 'final' judgements about anyone...esp. negative ones...
(really enjoying reading some of the posts here...)
I modify that saying you mentioned to:
"You can't judge a book by its cover, but if its cover looks creepy chances are the book is creepy."
- crmhaskeposted 14 years ago0
this is the second time she says she's done after i've given her an actual source.
ah well...dawkins not enough for her I suppose.
It is based on facts... but is an established theory. just like the theory of relativity.
True, but it's gotta be better than citing journalists to prove scientific theories.
Besides, I was just agreeing with her.
"each trait that we consider sexually attractive already summarizes a huge amount of information about an individual's genes body and MIND"
-page 205 geoffrey miller the mating mind how sexual choice shaped our nature.
reviews for this book: "sexual selection, darwin's other theory has finally come in from the cold...geoffrey miller has really been theone with that ball abd he now brings his ideas and evidence together in this thoughtful witty, vividly written book..." richard dawkins
Exhilirating stimulating reading this book enables a rich confusion of apparently unrelated detials to fall into one place- and isn't this what science is all about. -NATURE
and that is that. unless you want some more quotes?that said we all have ways of overcoming our genetic predispositions. choice belongs to the present and the future... predisposition is not predestiny.
mesomorph, ectomorph and endomorph...that's like an old psych theory
I see the whole thing about the animal kingdom, and the ways in which the biological hardwiring of humans can be traced back to/extended out to the animal kingdom. I know there are things like the fact that ferule cats are said to be able to have kittens earlier than cats living with families; and that a similar thing occurs when humans adolescents are living under stress/threat and "prematurely launched" into reproductive maturity. So, I'm not necessarily questioning much of the science. I believe it is not, however, complete; and I believe there are often times when conclusions are drawn based on insufficient study. In other words, I'm not so much questioning the overall science, as I am some of the conclusions (or else the misinterpretation of what may be valid, but still incomplete, conclusions).
I have the three grown kids (so I can see how they turned out, as well as know how each was a newborn/infant).
None of them have the same facial features at all - not the two biological ones, not the adopted one.
All three were had very similar natures, behavior, personalities, and other "inner" traits as children. All three remain very similar in a lot of ways. All three had the same slight, slender, builds (I fed them all the same kinds of food, of course. It was, I guess, a coincidence that the two biological children have a mother with a small frame; and my son's birth mother has a small frame as well.
The adopted one has a biological brother who looks just like him - only who is overweight. He has an entirely, entirely, different personality than my son.
I had all three tested for school reasons. The eldest one (adopted) excelled in many of the same areas his younger siblings did (I mean - way ahead of his age level). His birth mother is a whole different story. She was described as "of limited mental capacity".
Then again, he doesn't have the same kind of verbal ability his younger siblings have; but this was a child with "God-knows-what" for a prenatal environment, not to mention a head injury in early infancy.
At the same time, each of my three kids has a completely different personality (even if they are, in many ways, similar "kinds" of people).
If nothing else, if someone looked at the almost clone-like similarities between my son and that one biological brother, there would be no way whatsoever to make any assumptions about how similar or different they are. They're wildly different in so many ways.
With a major mix of nationalities in their backgrounds, nobody would see any similarities between my two birth children's facial features (for the most part); and yet they are similar "as people" in so many ways.
On the one hand, I can see a precise pattern between what my son and daughter inherited from me versus their father; then again, with my sister's three kids there is no such perfect pattern.
With my two biological children here's the pattern:
Daughter - my hair color; her father's head and hairline
Son - father's hair color and texture, my head and hairline
Daughter - my eye shape, father's eye color
Son - father's eye shape, my eye color (slightly varied)
Daughter - my nose
Son - my nose, but a man's version of it
Daughter - my mouth
Son - father's mouth
Daughter - my chin
Son - father's chin
Daughter - my white complexion
Son - father's darker complexion
Daughter - my frame and build
Son - father's frame and build
(and by the way, my adopted son has my ex-husband's frame and build too
)
Daughter - father's hands/finger shape
Son - my hands/finger shape
Daughter - my feet
Son - father's feet
Based on this, I might have jumped to the conclusion that it's a pattern with having sons and daughters; but as I said, my sister's kids (a lot of other people's kids I know) don't show the same kind of perfectly "planned" pattern).
All I know is that I can look in the mirror and see what I see, and compare it to what a lot of people think they can assume about me, based on what I look at; know what other people often think they can assume about me; and see that my facial features aren't good indicators of who/what I am as a person.
The same is true when I look at my kids, see differences or similarities, and know what kind of people they are (and how a lot of people don't realize what kind of people they are, because those people do the thing about basing assumptions on facial features).
Maybe my individual, anecdotal, evidence isn't enough for scientists; but it's the only evidence that has been staring me in the face for decades; so it's why I am certain that it is misguided and never wise to use facial features as a way of assuming things about people. Anyone who thinks they can do that is a case of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". So, my main point isn't to question what science has found; but to point out that I, personally, believe science has not yet found "the whole picture" (or else conclusions made cannot be used in day-to-day life because of the variations in genetic mixes, nurture, and whatever else from individual to individual.- QuincyDaWonderDogposted 14 years ago0
I know you said you're leaving for now, and I may not be back; so here's just something to back up (to some degree) your belief:
Without digging up a bunch of references that I'm using (and in some cases not using) for the "theory" (that may be mine but may be more than theory in at least some scientific circles): (and I couldn't even find your link, for some reason, so maybe this is there already - maybe because it's late...)
I think there is a kind of "equilibrium" with regard to balance of things like brain chemicals/hormones which, if it is generally maintained throughout childhood, will mean a person will develop "as planned" in terms of what he's inherited for features.
I think if/when that equilibrium is "shaken" (perhaps, for example, a child who feels stressed or under threat at certain developmental points along the way; or else for his whole childhood); something like increases in the flight-or-flight hormone (or other chemical changes) can affect the way the brain/body/features develop.
It pretty much looks to me as if features most subject to most dramatic change as a child reaches reproductive maturity may be most "at risk" of being altered by what may be imbalances in chemicals/hormones. (For example, my mother, not nearly as secure a person as I've always been, pretty much had my nose - only her nose was much longer than mine is; then again, though, maybe I just have my father's "influence" in the "nose department").
I do think, though, with the rapid physiological changes in a baby's brain during his first three years, there might be the chance the brain's development (and resulting "pattern of brain chemicals/hormones" could be altered to the point where the child's physical traits could eventually be altered as well. (Maybe an example would be a child who would have only been "sort of muscular" because of his genes who might be insecure/threatened in infancy and end up being even more muscular than he otherwise would have been. Maybe, under the influence of flight-or-flight, or other "mixes of chemicals/hormones" one child's development will (at least during any given time) take a direction toward the physical versus the cognitive; and perhaps even alter the "blueprint" on which future development is built.
Think about body types - ectomorphs (both male and female), endomorphs (associated with female) and mesomorphs (associated with male) (although both sexes can be any of those).
Suppose we're all supposed to be ectomorphs (at least as children); but later (as reproductive maturity is reached) "lean toward" endomorph or mesomorph, depending on our sex.
If, as you (or the science) suggested, body type is only one trait that can be altered by the "blend of chemicals" at any given time; then where the science might be correct would be with individuals who didn't have "just the right" equilibrium throughout childhood. That would back up what you suggest; but, because I was good at knowing how to keep my babies/children feeling secure and happy (I'm good with babies and young children, because my parents were), what I've said is also true (because children who lived in "reasonable equilibrium" as children would not have their "pre-destined features" altered as a result of disequilibrium.
In other words, we're both right (but I'm still right in saying some science may not tell the whole picture )
I'll be back tomorrow to read - but I've think I've "contributed" about all I "have" for now. (By the way - on that list of traits my kids got: My son got my "Spock" ears, and my daughter got her father's "C shaped" ears. )I'm still dumbfounded by the "green snakes are harmless" statement. Like I said, try getting friendly with a green Mamba.
The green Mamba is VERY venomous!
does that mean my facial features are going to change which will then change who I am inside?
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