Are Some People Just Dumb

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   Dale Mazurekposted 14 years ago

   I know thats a bit harsh but come on.
   
   I was just hub hopping and every 6 out of ten hubs were total duplicate content.  So many of them were taken right from Wikipedia.
   
   Then we hear "why is my score so low". 
   
   It is great that hubpages started hub hopping.  Now we can see what they go through on a daily basis.
   
   One writer had 13 hubs, a score of 11 and every hub was copied right out of wikipedia.
   
   Lordy, Lordy
   
   Dale

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      KeithTaxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Too many people want fast and easy and are willing to steal to get it. It never works. Give the reader something real and after a while, revenue will come.
      
      I don't care for Hubhopping. It bring my blood to a boil. So much poor writing. Too many want to slop anything down and publish it. No wonder editors hate the slush pile.

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         Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Honestly I couldnt believe what I was seeing.  truthfully I think I was marking maybe one out of 15 up.  the rest were either marked down or flagged.
         
         garbage I say

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hub Hopping serves only to help HP  banning accounts. You do their hard work.
            I don't waste my time in there. Once seen, once gone for ever !

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               Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Tantrum, I would never flag anything controversial.  In fact I like controversy.
               
               I am just talking about blatant garbage that people are trying to publish.
               
               In that way i dont think there is nothing wrong with helping out.

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                  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  and I'm talking of the same stuff. A lot of poorly written  and copied content on the hub hopping. That's what I'm talking about !
                  I thought you were talking of the same kind of hubs.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If that was true wouldn't it create duplicates and wouldn't it be flagged?

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         Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I know what you are saying but i suspect it hadnt been caught yet.   The hubber had only joined a few hours prior so that would be my guess.
         
         Hubstaff do all they can but people do fall through the cracks where they are eventually caught.
         
         Dale

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            IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah they do get caught. We know about some of them because they are the ones who come to the forums complaining their hub score is dropping!

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Is it possible that someone lifted that content from Hubpages and placed it into Wikipedia?

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   Faybe Bayposted 14 years ago

   How do you know it's duplicate? I thought some were but wasn't sure.

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      Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I just copy and paste a section and put it into google search and guess what.
      
      The exact same article comes up, word for word.
      
      Yep thats how I do it.
      
      Im not usually this critical but man did some of those open my eyes to what some people are trying to do.
      
      like I said in a post yesterday, if I wanted I could have 1500 hubs up in no time if I wanted to just copy and paste.

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         Faybe Bayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, exactly. I didn't know how people were "knowing" something was duplicate.
         
         If it appears with a low score, I rewrite! i check my topic too, in the Hub pages search, as well as google.

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         mod2vintposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's how I check on my sons school reports. I've caught him many times pulling the old copy and paste trick.

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            Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            That is hilarious.  I guess i forgot about the internet for students.
            
            Was just text books and encyclopedias for me when I went to school.
            
            You are brilliant

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            Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I've got to admit that I used to do the copy/paste thing in school. Never for English, but for Science and even once for Algebra. It's a wonder how my teachers never caught on!
            
            But when it comes to creative writing, that's just wrong, especially when you claim it all as your own and don't give the actual author credit. And no wonder their HubScore is low, Wikipedia has got to be the dullest reading on the internet!

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   girly_girl09posted 14 years ago

   The ones that really boil my blood are the legal ones. There is one account in particular that publishes useless legal 'advice' that is not only terrible, but is also used to boost certain keywords for insert city here lawyers for seo purposes. Total crap. There is so much to flag!
   
   Hub hopping can be fun, but also discouraging. I have the entertainment category as one of my faves and need to figure out how to remove it. During hub hopping, I now get all sorts of indian desi aunties pictures (whatever the hell that means! lol)  anyone else? I don't get why those pics are allowed.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's what I'm talking about. A lot of hubs to flag. You waste your time flagging there, instead of doing other more fruitful things.

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      darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      An aunty is to an Indian what a MILF is to a Westerner. Though probably best described as a MIWLF.

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   Ohmaposted 14 years ago

   i do not care for the hub hopping feature myself but I agree i have seen some really poor quality hubs.

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      Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Ohma, I dont do a lot of hub hopping.
      
      I think only a couple times since it came out.
      
      I hope it doesnt end up being used for the wrong purposes but until then I guess it is what it is.
      
      Nice seeing you my friend
      
      Dale

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I went there only once and that was the end of hub hopping for me LOL!
      I couldn't believe what I was reading !

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         Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is why I cant go very often.
         
         I guess we never know how people are thinking.  And me of all people.  As a marketer I have seen all kinds of black hat tactics and garbage so why wouldnt people be doing the same thing here.

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   Ohmaposted 14 years ago

   I think the whole copy and paste issue is an integrity issue that has the potential to really damage the reputation of the site and all the hubbers that want to produce good quality writing. It is not a good thing to ignore this type of content.

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   whooopsposted 14 years ago

   I do not think that is harsh, but if that is the hard reality then it should be exposed and taken cared of legally.
   
   Obviously I am new so I have no idea that this is actually happening.
   
   But what I do see is all those hubs with hardly any content but are merely "sexy" photos and all those hubs with "exotic" photos of some Asian nation. I thought hubs like those are not allowed in here but I guess I am mistaken.

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   Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago

   The thing I think is funniest and most pathetic is that those who do copy content and then complain about being reported, flagged or banned then proclaim themselves "victims" and cry and whine to anyone who will listen.
   
   Like they couldn't see that coming or something.
   Not.

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   Lily Roseposted 14 years ago

   I started hopping a few days ago and I, too, was floored by the awful hubs being constantly published!  Honestly, I have never rated a hub down until I started Hub Hopping and I find I'm continually rating hubs down there.
   
   I agree, I'm pretty fed up with hopping - it's annoying and pretty worthless, but definitely good for the staff.

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps the way to increase the value of the real estate in the neighborhood is to do *more* hubhopping, and *more* reports, flags and down ratings. I'm thinking if we are all persistent in this it can have a good effect in time.

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         Lily Roseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I see what you mean about weeding out the bad, but exactly what benefit would that provide to the rest of us?  Better hub score?  More views?  Higher Google ranking? I'm not trying to sound condescending, I'm truly curious if it would actually benefit the "good" hubs...

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            IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It would benefit us all in the long run if hubpages gained and earned the reputation as being THE place to write.
            Well I guess it has already, but its up to us to help the staff keep it that way.
            Now I know that all these copied hubs could be out there, though not that far as they will be nofollow, but their writers could have spammed links to everywhere. If people click the links they will see Hubpages, and automatically think everything from hubpages is crap.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            One of the reasons our Hubs get indexed and ranked so well is HubPages' good reputation with Google.
            
            Every now and then you'll hear of a revenue-sharing site getting "Google slapped" (dumped by Google) because there's too much spam.  It happened to Squidoo, for instance.  We don't want that to happen to HubPages, because that will harm our earnings. Also, Hubs which contravene Adsense TOS could result in HubPages losing its Adsense account, which would be disastrous for all of us. 
            
            So it's in our interests to help weed out the spam and the porn etc.
            
            We could take Tantrum's and Aware's selfish position and say "it's not our job" - but then HubPages would have to hire more staff to keep up with the job, which means they'd have to take a bigger cut of ad revenues to pay for them.  So we'd still lose out.

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               Lily Roseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for that explanation, Marisa, it certainly makes sense.  I'm glad to help out by doing a bit of hub hopping every now and then, but does it help at all if I rate something down, or only when something is flagged?  Because if I rate something down because I think it is a poor hub, that doesn't notify the staff of anything, right?

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                  thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  down votes dont notify hubpages as far as I am aware, only flags.

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                     Lily Roseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Ok, so we'd only be helping out the staff if we come across something that we feel violates the TOS and we flag it, right?
                     
                     It's too bad that action can't be taken on a hub if it receives a certain number of down ratings...

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                        Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't think they would ever introduce such a system, since it would be open to abuse.

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   Yes.
   
   Yes, they are.

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    Rafiniposted 14 years ago

    I tried hubhopping this morning and then remembered I had hubs from hubbers I follow to catch up on!  As soon as I get caught up, I will try it again.  From what I saw this morning, I will like the feature. 
    
    On a separate note, Hubbers dont know if they've been rated up or down, do they?

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       Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No.  A hubber will never know they were rated up or down or by whom.  There are many things that go into the hub score, it is hard to tell what has happened.

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    Disturbiaposted 14 years ago

    Yes, some people are just dumb.

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       Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I like your short-and-to-point contribution here. 
       
       I really "love" the ones that someone, who doesn't have a clue about English grammar, copies and then uses a spinner, and comes up with some incoherent pile of junk that makes you wonder if it's written in another language (or your own if you got D's in English).  It's all bad enough, but the killer is these people are too stupid to know that if you spin an article in another language, you get something that screams "copied and spun".
       
       The thing that irks me is that they're too stupid to know that everyone else isn't as dumb as they are.   

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    waynetposted 14 years ago

    Weeding out the bad content is a never ending job for sites like Hubpages as there are always people who think they can game the system, but soon some individuals soon realize that all their copy and pasting has all been for nothing.
    
    Hubhopping is quite useful and if all the hubbers who care about this site put in a little time to help out Hubpages staff as a community to get rid of the bad content then yes I believe this site will boost even further with good rankings...
    
    But as I said before, bad content exists on any site and it will always be a problem.

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    Amber Allenposted 14 years ago

    I've done some Hubhopping too.  Bad content on the site hurts us all.

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    Dale Mazurekposted 14 years ago

    I just cant figure out how people can even argue the point.
    
    If you take the chance and you get busted then you pay the price.
    
    Im pretty sure i would know if I was copying and pasting.
    
    Yet people come on here, begging, crying, yelling, screaming that they are innocent.
    
    
    all I can say is
    
    Hmmmmmmmmm

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       Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       What cracks me up is those who say, "I didn't copy and paste.  I typed it all myself."  And then when confronted about where the article came from, continue to insist, "But I typed it myself!" 

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    Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years ago

    Dale says: "Are Some People Just Dumb?"
    
    Hey! I resemble that question. 
    
    Dumb people have rights too you know. 
    
    
    
    
    
    {On the serious side, I believe what they are thinking is anything is better than nothing. If I do this and it gets me one click, that is better than not doing it, and not getting any...IMHO}

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       WildIrisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Are some people just dumb?  Certainly!...Too dumb for their own good.
       
       As for Hub Hopping~ After reading the above comments I thought I'd do a bit of Hopping.  Discouraging, bad, pathetic.  I lost count of the number of Hubs I hopped through, but  in the several minutes I Hopped I read only one good Hub worth a thumbs up.  Most of the other Hubs were short, so short that I wonder how they got published at all, and the quality was poor. Several Hubs I suspect were lifted from another source word-for-word, but I am not a good judge of this. Perhaps I am not here at HubPages enough to know, but many of the Hubs on Hub Hopping are not on the FEED or are they?
       
       What bothers me most is that if a person were to stumble on HubPages and start  Hub Hopping to check out the site and Hub Hopping were their first impression of HubPages, I doubt they'd give the site much credibility nor would they return.
       
       If I spend time Hopping and give articles a thumbs down, how many thumbs down does an article have to receive before it is removed?

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    awareposted 14 years ago

    So if there are 999 people with a score of 100. And  then you with a score of 99. Does  that make you the dummy of the bunch?

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       Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I would be very proud to be right there behind the hubbers with 100.  that is an elite bunch and to be on their heels would be something I would love.
       
       dale

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    myownworldposted 14 years ago

    Hub hopping is one exhausting, painful workout.... flagging one... rolling eyes in exasperation at another...and finally working your way through all the muck to discover a hidden pearl! I swear I've lost an inch or two already...!

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       awareposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I want to read one of these hidden pearls you have found.
       And    every time i see your name it has this red squiggly  line under it. why is that?  97 ? Get rid of that line , you'll have your 100.

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          myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          you just need to hop faster and higher each time. Eventually, you'll find something. Practice makes perfect!

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             Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             but don't spend too much time hopping.  I have a feeling the same kind of thing that happened with me and rating on another well known site might happen - absolute burn-out and inability to read yet one more horribly written thing. 
             
             Really - with the absolute burn-out I've have going now for months, I'd recommend hopping in limited doses only.  I'm not talking about subjects I don't like or viewpoints I don't agree with.  I'm talking about way, way, too many horrendously, poorly, written things about really stupid stuff.      On top of it all, I'm going to get repetitive stress injury from all the clicking past zillions of things.  (Sorry, I don't mean to be a writing/reading snob, but this thread was an invitation to vent.    )  I've written my own share of crap and know it, but at least it's clear I put some effort into it and wrote it myself.

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                Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I spent about 45 minutes hopping today.  I would say most of what I saw was decent.  There was one hub, that was only one sentence, that I flagged.  There was another of just photo's... of hair clips... It obviously would never earn, as the add space was too limited.  All the rest were well put together, and a few were even interesting to me. 

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    mega1posted 14 years ago

    its just dumb to even ask if some people are dumb!  of course some people are!  sometimes people who aren't usually dumb are even dumb!  I imagine you're just having an off day.  :

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    Hauntyposted 14 years ago

    I like to play with the frog button though.

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       mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       what's a frog button?

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          mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          oh you mean hub hopping -  well, how do you play with it?  it sounds dirty!

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             Hauntyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yep. I'm guilty of a few dirty clicks.

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Is it a full moon?

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       mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       nope, not here it isn't!  :  and yes, I DO know that the moon is full at pretty much the same time everywhere!  :

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    awareposted 14 years ago

    I don't judge hubs,  or trash others attempts at them . And i certainly would never flag one. Ill leave the book burning  to the pompous ones out there. Seems to be  no shortage  of them lately. All with scores in the 90 s . Go figure.

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       EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Since when has flagging hubs consisting of spam, flagrant plagiarism or keyword stuffing been on the same level as book burning?
       
       And you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about people with higher author scores than you.  If you're after external traffic, then it doesn't make any difference as long as your score is at least 75.
       
       Sheesh.

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          awareposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Bees ?  hornets  is what i have . And i aint in this for scores , money  ,or to write how to hubs. so when a poem of mine was recently  flagged and removed for none of the reasons you mentioned above i was  furious  .    Pretentious  , Snobs, turning their noses down at  speech that isn't up to their  standards .  And having the balls to have them removed  is as book burner as it gets .

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             thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Was your article keyword stuffed spam or plagiarism?
             
             I flag the really spammy stuff because I think the less spam content the better, however I generally rate up well written hubs, be they commercial or poetic.
             
             I think any hub containing excessive duplicate content should be de-published.

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             Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The hub staff does not pull things down unless they are a violation.  A flag will not get your article pulled if it is within the TOS guidelines.

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             Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             How do you know it was flagged?  HubPages won't tell you if a Hubber flags your Hubs.  A Hubber flag doesn't do anything to your Hub.
             
             You will, however, know if HubPages flags your Hubs. That may be because a Hubber brought it to their attention, or they may find it on their own. 
             
             It would be unusual for HubPages to take down any Hub for no reason. I'm sure we'd all want to know, and support you, if they did.  So let us know more.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       

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    AdamGeeposted 14 years ago

    I like hubhopping. I've found some very good articles, including some really moving poems. Yes, there are some poorly written articles, but I appreciate that people are working on their writing and expressing themselves.
    
    As far as people stealing content or violating other rules, flagging is just a click, and that's not very much work.
    
    Still I can see how some people might be turned off by hub-hopping.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    Copyright infringement is illegal...I definitely would flag it.

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    BeccaHubbardWoodsposted 14 years ago

    yes. there just isn't any hope for some.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    I'm sure even aware would flag this one, I just came across it...they copied a product page right off of Amazon, even including the comments. Looks like they did print screen and saved it as a graphic. I won't link to them here.

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       Lily Roseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Wow!  Now THAT's dumb!!!

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       Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ya but according to some people that should be okay

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    Lily Roseposted 14 years ago

    I can't belive how many people are treating this as a blog.  I just did some quick hopping and probably 4 out of 10 seem to be "blog posts!"

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