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Is there a possibilty this was staged by the FBI?

  1. 910chris profile image73
    910chrisposted 5 years ago

    I have to admit, when some guy goes on a rampage killing a dozen people and injuring dozens more, why does he just stop and give himself up? He seemed pretty hell-bent on killing everyone as he was the "jokker", but simply lies down without any resistance at all? He has on full body armor, had his apartment  booby-trapped, yet he goes quietly into police custody? Here is a link that talks more about what I was already thinking yesterday: http://www.prisonplanet.com/colorado-ba … taged.html  There are too many things that just don't add up!

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      rickyliceaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Alex Jones?
      What happened to those Fema concentration camps, or the imminent collapse of everything that's been just around the corner for every year now?

      1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image91
        Dr Billy Kiddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        We know one thing, 910chris is just plain crazy. And pretty damn sick too. Why don't you just say, "Obama did it," killed all those people?

        1. 910chris profile image73
          910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          See, that is just plain stupid. When one can't explain things away with intelligence, they move to personal attacks.

          So I am sick, crazy, and somehow I implied "Obama did it". You are the most irrational person here.

          1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image91
            Dr Billy Kiddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I apologize for the mixed-up comment. I sure got that all confused. You're smart for thinking about all the different posibilities in an insane situation. We all seem to have to do that a lot, anymore. There just is no telling if we're ever going to get the truth on this massacre. The whole thing just gets stranger and stranger.

            1. 910chris profile image73
              910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you for the apology. It is my hope that people will not just believe what they are told, and empower themselves with knowledge.

              1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You will be glad that I am such a person. I don't believe what you told me.

              2. Dr Billy Kidd profile image91
                Dr Billy Kiddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'm hoping more people will think about all the various posibilities ... including whether the government is behind some of the crazy things we see today.

                1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                  Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure, that will be fruitful. Check under the bed before you go to sleep. Jimmy Hoffa may be hiding there.

    2. Jane Bovary profile image83
      Jane Bovaryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Seems like pretty flimsy evidence for a conspiracy. Until something compelling pops up, I generally go with Occam's Razor on these things -  ie; the simplest answer is often the correct one. Why make more assumptions than you need to?

      1. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Let's see, I have already stated the information about the FBI putting up a post about a terror threat at a movie theater 2 months ago, which we now know is when James Holmes started his plan. http://news.yahoo.com/police-colo-suspe … 12400.html
        Now, police are saying there is a possibly a second person who helped him. I don't believe in coincidence's, and people who would rather be spoon fed from the talking heads then actually doing some logical thinking for themselves, are a lost cause. If being a realist and a free thinker make me crazy, then guilty as charged and damn proud of it!!

        What the official story is, seems pretty flimsy to me.

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
          WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Paranoia.

        2. 910chris profile image73
          910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I guess there is nothing to police holding a terror drill on a movie theater hours before the real thing happened. <embed width="576" height="324" src="http://media.nbcwashington.com/designvideo/embeddedPlayer.swf" flashvars="v=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcwashington.com%2Fi%2Fembed_new%2F%3Fcid%3D163252916%26path=${encodedPath}" allowFullScreen="true" AllowScriptAccess="always" />

    3. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The answer is simple.  You can't explain crazy.

      1. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually can explain crazy - I think he saw the second man with the gun - as witnesses saw - knew that he was about to be terminated after having been trigger as the manchurian man and snapped out of his programming.

        What's really crazy is how the gov't planned this, used this man, for the political purpose of ending the gun ownership - which everybody is calling for. Strange - we don't know yet how he got the guns, bombs, tactical equipment worth 20 grand all by himself as a unemployed student.

        Crazy is thinking this guy was a lone nut.
        Crazy is thinking that taking guns from all Americans will stop mass murders.
        Crazy is being blind to all the past nasty things that happened and thinking we live in a utopian eden of morality by those who have control over vast resources.

        That's crazy.

        Crazy to be willfully ignorant to a  blatant sham saying 'crazy' or 'god's will'. Unless you are disinforming the public on purpose as part of your job. Shame people who question the appearance of facts so that they are seen as silly, paranoid and should be dismissed as 'crazy' themselves.

        "America is exactly the same as Russia in every aspect regarding dealing with political opponents ... the myth is propagated here that this does not go on, when it most certainly does" http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

        "Kremlin of masterminding the and Pechatniki and Kashirskoye bombings in order to blame Chechen terrorists and whip up support for an invasion of Chechnya ... it isn’t always necessary to kill millions of people to frighten all the others: A few choice assassinations, in the right time and place, usually suffice."

        What about the 2002 Moscow theater hostage crisis by 'Chechens' later blown up by the military while still negotiating - only to find out that one of the terrorist was a Russian reporter who escaped and the women were Russian convicts.  - The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin  By Masha Gessen http://www.scribd.com/doc/88933304/The- … ssen-Masha

        Disinformation and suppression of information ... television reporting and false information that was spoon fed by authorities.

        1. David 470 profile image86
          David 470posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          This is sort of how I feel. People are always  labeled as crazy because people think with their emotions too much and this often clouds their judgement. While it is very sad many lose their lives. We can not just jump to conclusions and says James Holmes was insane.

          Hitler, for example, was a very smart man -- even though he used his intelligence to strike harm upon others.

          James Holmes may have had some unconventional motive that is not yet apparent or this has something to do with the government.

          While it's hard to say, I think people should keep an open mind to the possibility that this could have been done so more stricter gun enforcement laws would be enacted.

          Most people look at things in a black and white kind of way. For example, Holmes will either be seen as insane or people will think this is a government conspiracy (which the later is possible).

          There are many factors to consider. This appears to be an isolated incident according to investigators, but it's still possible he could have been linked to something more, but I am doubtful to that, but will still put it into perspective.

      2. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Crazy is living in your own little world believing everything you are told and taking it without question. To me, that is simply idiotic.

        1. AshtonFirefly profile image83
          AshtonFireflyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          +1

    4. Efficient Admin profile image91
      Efficient Adminposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes I agree there is a lot more to this story. It is very bizarre. Usually the gunman shots himself too.  It was very strange that his apartment was booby trapped and the police knew about it -- I am curious how did they know the place was booby-wired without entering? No details are provided on that front that I know of.

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        DMartelonlineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He told them it was booby trapped

    5. PseudoLogic profile image60
      PseudoLogicposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think this individual was severely brainwashed. I don't know exactly who is behind it, weather it be the FBI, CIA, or some foreign duplicate, but it is clear to me that the event was staged and will be used to further the demise of America's sovereignty and strengthen globalist authority. I suggest watching this small yet informative documentary by Michael Tsarion on the subject if you are truly curious, he really sheds light on the subject quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7POcUyTtd0

    6. LauraGT profile image87
      LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I actually think it's more likely that this was staged by the NRA.  They LOVE this fear-based society.  Helps them with perpetuate this myth that people need guns to be safe.

    7. LauraGT profile image87
      LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So, this definitely means that George Bush planned 9/11.  He was the sitting president when it happened. Yes, sitting presidents control everything that happen under their watch and do everything for political gain.  And, everything that benefits them politically was their doing.  Don't tell me little Georgie didn't gain politically from 9/11.

      1. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Bush didn't do a thing, Cheney in a 1990's report said that a "Pearl Harbor event' would have to happen to further political goals.  Bush 43 probably doesn't even have sphincter control let all control the United States for 8 years.

        Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo … _Harbor.22

        1. LauraGT profile image87
          LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I was being sarcastic, you realize?  But, I'm not really sure I understand the point of your response.  Are you suggesting Cheney orchestrated 9/11?

          1. ptosis profile image77
            ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            in part yes, they certainly used 911 for political agenda.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    I would say that it would be more probable that it was staged the CIA than the FBI. lol

    1. Efficient Admin profile image91
      Efficient Adminposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This.

    2. WD Curry 111 profile image60
      WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What's funny about that? How old are you, anyway? 15?

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    You are questioning why he made non-sane decisions?

    Yep, during an election year it is very convenient to say this was set up by the government. Why did they do it?


    No, wait... I bet it is a conspiracy to ban guns...yeah, that is it....

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      To push more fear on a grand scale.

      1. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        When the people are in fear of there lives, they give up any freedom they can for that false sense of security.
        Uninvited, are you telling me that the government WON'T use this as another reason to ban the 2nd amendment?

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They will attempt to tighten Gun Control Laws as well as limiting specific weapons from being in the individual's hand. No doubt about it.

        2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How many mass shootings have happened...when has that been used to ban guns?

          It happens, there is all sorts of talk, politicians give in to the NRA

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Every shooting regardless of whether or not it's on a mass scale still brings out the lobby against guns.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
              Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And since it's a free county then they have every right to do that.  And it also brings out the NRA supporters too.  The key is...nothing changes.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, nothing changes as to citizens rights, but government uses it as much as possible to tighten Gun Control Laws which have no hope of working for the expressed reasons they are being implemented.

                1. 910chris profile image73
                  910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Funny how this is right on the heels of the "UN Small Arms Treaty".

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I find that a stretch. It's already known that the President doesn't have the power to authorize UN to come into this country and enforce any gun laws. That would be treason.

                  2. twosheds1 profile image59
                    twosheds1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    There is no "Small Arms Treaty." That is a lie perpetuated by the NRA. There is a conference going on (ending today) on arms trade:
                    http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    I don't understand how some people can function believing in every conspiracy theory that comes along.

    This was not aimed at you Cagsil or anyone here smile

    1. kirstenblog profile image74
      kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The key is in believing in only half of them! lol
      ummm, I think last time I didn't believe so this time... lol

  5. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Conspiracy theorists by profession tend to make everything into a conspiracy. The cause I always look for: was he on anti-psychotic drugs.
    Links have been established between any number of these mass murders and anti-psychotic drugs.

    1. 910chris profile image73
      910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This follows along those lines. Murderers After being Medicated on Pharmaceuticals

      +Eric Harris, the triggerman in the Columbine school shootings – Luvox.
      +Chris Fetters (13 yrs. old) killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
      +Christopher Pittman (12 yrs. old) murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
      +Mathew Miller (13 yrs. old) hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
      +Jarred Viktor (15 yrs. old) stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.
      +Kip Kinkel (15 yrs. old) – on Prozac and RITALIN shot his parents while they slept and killed 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
      +Luke Woodham aged 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
      +Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.
      +Michael Carneal (14 yrs. old) Ritalin) killed 3 students and wounded 5 others at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky.
      +Young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
      +Andrew Golden, aged 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
      +TJ Solomon, aged 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
      +Rod Mathews, aged 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
      +James Wilson, aged 19, (Psychiatric Drugs – various) Breenwood, South Carolina, shot and killed 2 young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers at an elementary school.
      +Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
      +Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
      +Another boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) had a stand off at the school.
      +Jarred Viktor aged 15 (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
      +Chris Shanahan aged 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
      +Jeremy Stroheneyer – on Dexidin
      +Sam Manzie – on Paxil

      “…the family is how one of the major obstacles to improve mental health and hence should be weakened…” – World Federation for Mental Health

      A National Education Association report: Education in the 70’s – “Schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualized psych-social treatment for the student…” …and teachers must become psycho-social therapists. This will include bio-chemical and psychological mediation of learning,…” “…as drugs are introduced experimentally to improve in the learner such qualities as personality, concentration, and memory…”children are to become the objects of experimentation.”

      1. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I thank God that my father never put me on any drug when I was growing up. We are more or less experimenting on the kids of this nation!

        1. mrnasir profile image59
          mrnasirposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Very true.

      2. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Once you are on those Rx - can not get off of them or  will go into a suicidal/murderous rage. What if there was a shortage of meds country wide and everybody went ballistic on each other like crazed zombies.

        How did an unemployed neuroscience student get $20k worth of guns, ammo & tactical gear - a birthday present?

        How did he build a highly technical series of IED's without blowing himself up in the process?

        Who was the second man with a gun eyewitnesses said was in outside in the front of the movie house during the shooting?

        A programmed assassin always ends up being killed or  suicide. Was the second man in fron of the movie house supposes to have kill the Manchurian candidate?


        Operation Open Eyes.If IQ>120 recall command/trigger within 5 minutes.

        False Flag Op SOP  Now I can't find anything on second suspect at movie house with a gun/rifle but the second suspect is now :'someone made either a call or a text from the person of interest’s phone threatening violence if James Egan Holmes was not released from jail. That call prompted police to issue an alert to find and detain him." - http://news.centennialcobuzz.com/tweets … 0777776129

        As far as gun control - I do believe the we don't even know where he got the guns from - legally or illegally. For all we know, the gun could of been lost from the "Fast & Furious" fiasco - maybe we should outlaw the ATF, DEA since that little operation  has killed more people - mostly in Mexico, that this one guy did in 90 seconds.

        " ... hundreds of Mexican citizens who were murdered with weapons the Obama administration gave to cartels through Fast and Furious and two American law enforcement officers — Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata — were killed with Fast and Furious guns.”"

        "more security in public places ... constant presence of police and military "

        - I'd rather bring my own protection.

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          rickyliceaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Conspiracies do happen, but some people think every little thing is part of a plan, accidents and unpredictable events never happen in their minds.

          1. lone77star profile image88
            lone77starposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And perhaps the truth is somewhere between two extremes.

            Like 9/11. We don't know who did it, but Al Qaeda (a CIA op) certainly wasn't the only one involved, if at all. The 3 WTC buildings came down by controlled demolition and that takes weeks or months to prepare. And with two Bush family members running the security company, either they knew or they were lousy at their jobs.

            There were FBI agents who filed suit against the government for ignoring their evidence prior to 9/11. The attorney who handled Clinton's impeachment took on some of those agents. I don't know what became of their cases, but it's either gross incompetence, or complicity and coverup. With Dick Cheney ordering military officers to stand down when a plane was spotted heading right for the Pentagon, you have to wonder. Transportation Secretary Mineta was bewildered by this. I don't blame him.

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Not a single one of the drugs mentioned in this post is an anti-psychotic.  They are ALL (with the exception of Ritalin) anti-depressants, which are STRONGLY NOT recommended for teenagers.  Perhaps these folks were on these drugs because there was something seriously wrong with each of them, and it just happens that they were out of control with or without psychotropic drugs.

      4. Efficient Admin profile image91
        Efficient Adminposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for posting this information.  This is incredible.  Not a big surprise people flip out from taking the scrips.

    2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I always ask; who is most likely to benefit from a tragic incident like this, and why?

      1. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is a good question.

      2. Mighty Mom profile image90
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        So far it looks like crackpot conspiracy theorists are benefitting the most.
        And loudmouthed Tea Party congressmen from Texas.
        roll

        1. lone77star profile image88
          lone77starposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, @Mighty Mom, what would you do if many of those crackpot conspiracy theorists are right? Wouldn't you be a bit miffed that someone was trashing our precious Constitution and Bill of Rights? Would you want your children to live in a world where America looks more like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia? Living outside of the United States for 5 years, the Corporate Party Media kool-aid has worn off. I believed in the Bush conspiracy theory for nearly a decade. No more.

          America is based upon its Constitution in more than merely a legal sense. The whole idea of America is bound up in liberty and in the last several decades, liberty has slowly been eroded. You've got to wonder if it's merely legislative incompetence or slow tyranny.

          There's an old story about a frog in cold water on the stove. Bring the water to a slow boil and the frog won't worry until it's too late to do anything about it. I'm sure Hitler would've been envious.

          So, who do we believe: Bush and his conspiracy theory?

          Giuliani committed a felony by cleaning up the crime scene before an investigation could be thoroughly done. Bush dragged his feet so that an official investigation didn't start for more than 400 days! Then, the chairman of the 9/11 commission said that it was set up to fail, because it was under-funded, and ignored. Cooperation by the White House was minimal. Bush had also stopped other groups from performing their own investigations. And initially, he gave the 9/11 commission $600k. Clinton's sexual exploits cost tax payers something like $40 million! Let's say Bush was not involved in committing treason and mass murder. This all looks highly suspicious. Could he really have been that much of a bozo, and if so, does that translate to the rest of the government? So many dropped balls on 9/11, that by itself is a red flag. But then those responsible were promoted, not canned! Hmmm!

          Lubya playing at PotUS:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SDGb-TJcU
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvqXXnxLZw

          Engineers and Architects Speak out on 9/11 (professionals without a conflict of interest):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zNHLg3j7sM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

  6. sabrebIade profile image81
    sabrebIadeposted 5 years ago

    Before 9/11 you know what we called people like this?
    CRAZY

    1. 910chris profile image73
      910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So what are they called now?

      1. Josak profile image61
        Josakposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Crazy

        1. 910chris profile image73
          910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'll give you that one Josak!

    2. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1.  Staged by the FBI?   Oh boy, what have someone been smoking and inhaling!   What convoluted logic!

  7. AEvans profile image66
    AEvansposted 5 years ago

    Are you serious? The FBI would never have anyone do a random shooting. The shooter was an intelligent human being without any remorse for anyone. What he did was heinous and insane. I would say he gave himself up because something snapped in his mind and he realized it was the best thing to do. Oddly some of the shooters will murder innocent people and never turn the guns on themselves.

    There is a mother laying in the hospital right now, paralyzed and in critical condition that does not even know her 6-year old daughter died in that shooting. The man was sick and insane; but I do not believe the FBI, CIA or any other governmental agency had anything to do with the shooting.

    My heart and prayers to all of those families who have lost family members or are suffering at this time. Look what our world is coming to? sad So sick.

    1. 910chris profile image73
      910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am gonna give you a link that shows the FBI openly admitting to terror plots. http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domes … s_FBI.html
      Please, read it, and take away from it what you will.
      As for all the people who were hurt in one way or another, my prayers are with them. When things like this happen, I just look at my little guys and hope I NEVER have to go through the pain that these people are going through now. I don't know what I would do.

      1. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well then I guess you also believe that Oswald  was a lone shooter and the CIA didn't kill the president of the United States neither!  Operation Zipper or Mockingbird never happened - there was no MKULTRA, Paperclip, MKNAOMI and everything is happily moral and legal today.

        What about witnesses saying there was a second man with a gun in the front of the theatre?

      2. mollymeadows profile image85
        mollymeadowsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        AEvans, I think most people would agree with you. Witnesses reported that he inexplicably ignored some people standing within 5 feet of him, that he looked straight at them and didn't shoot them, while others were shot without mercy.

        It's true he was intelligent, but smart doesn't always equal sane. This young man is mentally ill. I pity his family -- they're victims too. We should pray for all of them.

    2. Mighty Mom profile image90
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

      Well, the shooter had a degree from the University of California system and in graduate school program at University of Colorado. Both are public as opposed to private universities.

      So one conspiracy might be that this is the work of some anti higher education group.

      I'm dead serious.
      My theory makes as much -- or more -- sense as anything Alex Jones has ever or will ever say.
      tongue

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        rickyliceaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I see a future for you in the Conspiracy Business, just remember keep your highly placed sources secret.
        And always mention at least one key terms "New World Order", Illuminati, Freemasons, Jews, and CFR.

    3. Lindy's World profile image82
      Lindy's Worldposted 5 years ago

      Personally, I feel that this man had a mental break.  We don't know what was going on inside of him.  I think this is a tragic event but not a conspiracy.  The shooter was just someone with a mental illness. Maybe, the true question should be is why isn't there more mental health options available.  I pray for the victims, and yes the shooter and his family.  As there is much more below the surface that we, as the public, don't know.  This was a true tragedy.

    4. prettydarkhorse profile image62
      prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

      We don't know, but the amateurish way he conducted the booby traps in his apartment makes me think this is a case of individual craziness.

      1. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You think the booby traps were amaeurish? Then what about this: “Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes’ apartment is booby-trapped with a ‘sophisticated’ maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it,” reports Yahoo News

    5. ptosis profile image77
      ptosisposted 5 years ago

      "Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more?" http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/21 … ng-staged/


      "All this looks like James Holmes completed a “mission” and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in gun confiscation across America."
      http://lewrockwell.com/eddlem/eddlem61.1.html

      "Could the Obama administration be using political terrorism to achieve their political goals of destroying the second amendment and popularizing the UN gun control treaty? It is not out of the question. They came up with Fast and Furious, which led to the deaths of Americans."
      http://nworeport.wordpress.com/tag/batm … ed-terror/

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        JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Ptosis,

        Can you link me directly to the portion of the arms treaty that would restrict gun rights in the US?

        1. ptosis profile image77
          ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "Each State Party shall adopt legislation or other appropriate measures,
          including appropriate law enforcement and judicial mechanisms, to ensure its ability
          to enforce domestically the obligations of this Treaty and to prohibit the transfer of
          arms from any location ..." http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ … 120307.pdf

          "To ensure that comprehensive and accurate records are kept for as long as possible on the manufacture, holding and transfer of small arms and light weapons under their jurisdiction. These records should be organized and maintained in such a way as to ensure that accurate information can be promptly retrieved and collated by competent national authorities.

          To develop and implement, where possible, effective disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes, including the effective collection, control, storage and destruction of small arms and light weapons…" http://usun.state.gov/briefing/statements/194950.htm

          http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.as … /RES/66/47
          http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ … ments.html

          "... the U.S. Government has no right to support a treaty that violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights." http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2 … -the-deal/

          "our Forefathers, who understood that our most dangerous enemy has never been a gun or a religious group, but the erosion of the civil liberties which make us truly free." http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ … n-control/

          The thinking that less guns means less violence hasn't worked in NYC - NY has the toughest gun laws in the country. "much of the genocide against Tutsis was carried out by Hutu-aligned government forces with machetes — not guns! Since the UN has traditionally backed genocidal governments over the victims who use “illicit” guns to defend themselves, it’s not surprising that human rights violator Iran is one of several regional chairmen of the UN ATT convention." - http://www.infowars.com/un-arms-transfe … radualism/

          http://dgilber2.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/guns4.jpg


          http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001083531/gun_rights_equalizer_comic_xlarge.jpeg

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
            WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Smart, too.

          2. Will Apse profile image89
            Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You do realize that the UN is trying to limit the sale of light weapons into the trouble zones of the world?

            UN stats that prompted this initiative:

            Approximately 500,000 people are killed each year with small arms - 300,000 in "conflict" and 200,000 in murders, suicides and accidents. Recently released statistics show that the number of small arms in civilian possession far outnumber those in the possession of states and police.

            http://www.un.org/disarmament/HomePage/ … artrto.htm

            Anyway, the US will probably continue to sell guns to Third World Warlords, Drug Barons, criminals and insurgents of all kinds, because, as usual, grassroots conservative paranoia is being made to work for big business.

            The arms industry will suborn a few senators, a few more will completely fail to understand the issue and a few more still will actually believe the same nonsense that you do.

            1. ptosis profile image77
              ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I agree. US is the biggest arms dealer for the entire world and not just '3rd world' Been that way since after the civil war - WW1, WW2, all wars since then. Gee it's the last thing we manufacture & export.
              I don't see Henry rifles being made in China.


              Maybe the UN doesn't care about trouble zones at all and there is a different reason - at what point did UN ever did any GOOD for anybody EVER? Name one instance.
              UN Puppet Show

              http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/f5/ec/1335894594_whichone6483.jpg

              Whether you carry it for hiking and camping, or for self-defense, this gun delivers when you need it most.
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          3. LauraGT profile image87
            LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly how would individuals having guns have helped anyone in 9/11?

            1. ptosis profile image77
              ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              WTF? That's like saying my toolbox only has a hammer and everything looks like a nail. - I don't understand why you pulled that one out of the air. Please explain why you thought I stated that a gun is an answer to life, universe and everything because I did not imply that.

              What are you implying?

              P.S. Some report that Holmes was going to NYC Batman showing - sounds crazy - why drive 1/2 way across the country for a senseless rampage. NYC has the toughest gun laws. Even if a NY trooper, if enter any city jurisdiction have to report to local cop shop. Licensed gun owners are not allowed within  miles of NYC, remember Bernhard Goetz.

              1. LauraGT profile image87
                LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The unlearned lesson of 9/11 cartoon above certainly suggest that gun ownership would have somehow helped save innocent lives.

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        1. You can learn anything on the Internet, he was a very, very smart guy from all reports
        2. He is not playing with a full deck, as obviously neither are some of those conspiracy theorists
        3. The Obama administration did not come up with Fast and Furious.

        1. profile image66
          logic,commonsenseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They just expanded on it.

          1. 910chris profile image73
            910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And put it in motion.

    6. Will Apse profile image89
      Will Apseposted 5 years ago

      Yeah, the govt know where you live and want take away your gun. So they kill a whole pile of people during Batman.

      Good grief...

      Gun lovers should take note of ptosis. Do you really think someone like this should own firearms?

      You could be his next bogeyman.

      1. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't own a firearm - to the great relief of all my neighbours, exes + future exes!

        I can kill men with my bad-breath alone.


        I  can name a few times that this country & others did cause an 'event' to further political aims - only to find out later decades later that the POTUS had no control over the CIA. Or are you telling me that JFK wasn't a coverup? Is that what you are telling me?

        How many instances of B.S. that has been uncovered for decades over & over again does it take for you to admit that it is possible this may/may not be one of them. Questioning is correct. blind acceptance is not.



        And the Easter Santa has a present for Will Apse.....

        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6928165_f248.jpg

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
          WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're a nut case! A funny nutcase, though.

          1. ptosis profile image77
            ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            (From GoodFellas)
            Joe Pesci scene were he asks the question " Funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY

            smile





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    7. WD Curry 111 profile image60
      WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago

      I worked at a mental health facility for severely emotionally disturbed adolescents for 10 years. Many of the most severe cases would assault peers or staff or both. When "mental heath technicians" came in to deal with the situation (physical management and clinical restraints) they would simply lay down on their face and comply. The whole ordeal was calculated. By submitting before staff could put hands on, they remained in control of the situation. There was satisfaction in manipulating the situation. Staff were compelled to operate within the parameters of the program and procedures. There were consequences for their behavior, but they knew that in advance . . . they had power.

      Sometimes the power to frustrate people and evoke emotion was enough to give them a rush of demonic delight. They loved to push the limits with their verbal nonsense. It was much like the way forum trolls behave around here. Think eagle heads and American flags.

      1. recommend1 profile image65
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        When you were being treated in that facility did you ever get cured of causing trouble for no reason and then laying down to get treated ?

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
          WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Nurse, this client is being oppositional and defiant. Did you forget to bring him his meds? His neurosis is advancing to psychosis. He is hallucinating that he is a clever manipulator of words and emotions.

      2. 910chris profile image73
        910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        So when you saw him in court: http://youtu.be/TbuIiwv3lX4
        does he looked drugged there or not?

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
          WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You are having a fantasy. I am not checking the link. Take my word for it, you are not qualified to tell if he is drugged or psychotic or whatever. With ten years of training and hands on experience . . . neither am I.

          Fox News and MSNBC are buzzing like brain dead fools over this. They are babbling all day long without saying anything of relevance or value. It is a distraction from the real issues that spawn this kind of problem. We just need to quit being mean to dweebs. Get busy on a meaningful, unrelated hub.and put your lame ass soap box away.

          Don't flag me, bro.

          I will say this. It doesn't have squat to do with the FBI. In his mind, the kid is in control. He is relishing his power. He knew he would get this attention from Fox News and people like you. he's loving every minute of it.  He has successfully manipulated you, your emotions and your mind. I see right through him, but what can I do? Snap out of it.

          1. 910chris profile image73
            910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You need to snap out of Candyland and wake up to the real world around you. Sticking your head in the sand and thinking and or believing everything your told.
            I would feel sorry for you, but that is not something I am capable of. Feeling sorry for a self-diluted fool who thinks there are in control of the world around them. Your the one who needs to snap out of it.

            Don't flag me bro.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
              Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              But you are believing everything those conspiracy sites are telling you.

              I just figured out why this is seen by some as a conspiracy. A nice looking young white boy could never have done something so violent of his own volition. Would we be having this same discussion if he had been Muslim or African-American?

              1. 910chris profile image73
                910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Where did I say that. Can you show me where I said that since you said it as a statement, not a question? In fact, the opposite is true, not only for conspiracy sites, but every facet of media.

                I like to think things through, view questions and answers at different angle's. See things from both points of view. Not just take what some government offical, or some news anchor tells me as the whole truth, and then go back to sleep.

              2. Will Apse profile image89
                Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That is a valid point. Many people will need to deny any part in this outrage while having a few stirrings of guilt. The guilt builds when you cannot easily push it off onto someone who can be constructed as 'other'.

                Bad things happen if you are obliged to confront the fact that this was a white college kid. There might be a problem close to home, something might need to change

                Good heavens you might even need to review some of your gun laws, mental health care provision- even, heaven forbid, your culture's deep and abiding love of violent loners (the kind of love that made Clint Eastwood rich).

                1. gmwilliams profile image82
                  gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  +1.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
                    WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Blah, blah, blah. What insight. You have your own problems to worry about. Think Clockwork Orange on steroids.

                    1. Will Apse profile image89
                      Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I might have hit a nerve. lol.

                  2. profile image0
                    Sooner28posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Like that will ever change man!  Come on!  We Americans love our violence and weapons.

              3. WD Curry 111 profile image60
                WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, I'll level with you. I am an FBI agent and the Martians made us do it.

                                         https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsoREAXcmHXS2HwhgDBuOWP_oinApgxR_5xns4n2o0rOGVp4ve

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                  Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I knew there was something odd about you lol

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
                    WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    How did you do that? I hadn't even posted yet. It must have been the Martians again.yikes

                    Run for your lives, the sky is falling! Head for the subterranean world inside the hollow earth!

                    https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwQEjt147lpTAoXyhHKaNJgGxIeC7tHYLLKqr9upSlSqO7gqaI

                    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      IT's a conspiracy...

                      1. WD Curry 111 profile image60
                        WD Curry 111posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                        Oh my gosh! The Canadians are in cahoots with the Martians!

                                              https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyg9rFMVW7LTsVpxGLb4FSNe0cSKHTF9IgfqrWIJaWI8TB0OWucLpG_wZvlQ

      3. mistylight profile image61
        mistylightposted 5 years ago

        Well, this is quite a discussion.  I am familiar with sites that rant and rave about how corrupt the government is, further a possibility that Obama is just hired and trained speaker to a much higher degree if you will.  If the government did do this, that is pretty sick.  Sick enough to pass the vote.  How     about  the bigger picture... to dummy down citizens, this spiral, crazy world situations...all so very very brutally and seared, displayed for everyone... really, this is of question.   I really think events are unfolding faster than most people understand.  It is wrong, if the this true.  Then again so is corporate greed, which is truly evident in this nation.  Its like we (truth seekers) know corporate greed is running this nation, but really( in my ignorance) who is running corporate greed?  Hmmm.  It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it?  Thanks Chris for the question.  I wouldn't have even considered that.  But I do now.

      4. Will Apse profile image89
        Will Apseposted 5 years ago

        If this made any sense I might reply...

        1. mistylight profile image61
          mistylightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry if you we were referring to me.  I really meant to say that I never would have considered this recent horrific event tied in with politics.  Its just something to ponder.  I have also been "informing" myself, about the events that unfold towards a one world government.  One of those contributors is cooperate greed, for example:  Walmart.  Walmart is suspected to be the next FEMA station.  Not that that has anything to do directly with the recent event or the FBI, just that it seems part of the prophetic vision that the  "conspiracy" rulers plans towards one world government, that would be eventually used to dummy down citizens into eliminating a good part of the population.  I just might believe all the possibilities that seem so corrupt.  When I "informed" myself about cooperate greed, it seemed to make sense.  Sort of like a pyramid.  Im not sure I explain this so well, more than Im commenting that its a possibility this shooting was involved by the FBI.  Which in effect trickles down to a corrupt government and so on.

          1. Quilligrapher profile image90
            Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you for contributing your perspective. You made yourself very clear.

            As for me, I believe the massacre was a conspiracy perpetrated by Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny! On one hand, I believe where there is smoke… there is fire. On the other hand, I believe the world is filled with people who always smell smoke even when there is no fire.

            I urge everyone to continue to pursue the facts and not to become distracted by the inevitable conspiracy theories from those prone to reject simple, verified, and straightforward explanations.

            I hope you enjoy your evening, Ms. Mistylight. I intend to do the same. 
            http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

            1. mistylight profile image61
              mistylightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              smile  Appreciate Mr. Quill.  I agree with you.  Thank you!

              1. 910chris profile image73
                910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I am very glad to read that you are empowering yourself with knowledge. I wish more Americans would do so.

                Have a great weekend misty!

      5. knolyourself profile image61
        knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

        If you can't persuade by argument, send "Lawyers, Guns and Money".

      6. profile image0
        Sooner28posted 5 years ago

        Just remember, that would-be-terrorist in May was an undercover FBI operative just testing to see if he was able to get through security (and he did).   For those of you who have forgotten this- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma … ng-for-cia

        The government isn't always completely honest with us either :p.

        So far, I don't know about the evidence in THIS case, but government orchestrated attacks cannot be ruled out a priori.

      7. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago

        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6941709_f248.jpg

        James Holmes’ AdultFriendFinder “girlfriend” is Photoshopped Keeley Hazell
        21 July 2012 http://www.bulletpeople.com/2012/07/21/ … pped-fake/

        JULY 5
        Holmes has no social media footprint with facebook, twitter et al then opened adultfriendfinder
        July 12 Holmes manifesto is delivered but not opened
        July 20 Holmes killing rampage

        Yet classicjimbo is a 'gold member' indicating a long and active  account life

      8. Mighty Mom profile image90
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

        I have an alternative premise that has been percolating as I've researched gun control and the public's support (or lack thereof).
        I suspect that if someone is behind James Holmes' actions, it's the NRA or other group that wants GUNS to be put center stage in the POTUS election.
        Neither Obama nor any other politician wants to talk about gun control.
        Polls say Americans simply don't want to discuss it now.

        But a horrendous massacre like this FORCES THE ISSUE into the spotlight.
        Obama HAS to take a stand. He simply can't turn away from it. And of course his base is going to demand tighter controls.

        Yet Romney, who as it happens (shock, shock, schock,) enacted tight gun controls in MA when governor, can appease his pro-gun base and say nothing needs to be done.

        It's a little too pat.

        I am not usually one for conspiracy theories, but this fits as well (or better) than any other.

        1. LauraGT profile image87
          LauraGTposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          +1.

      9. ptosis profile image77
        ptosisposted 5 years ago

        I just don't trust what the media puts out (mockingbird) because we've all been lied to so many times. And what really gets my goat is an editorial in the Tucson newspaper that people like me saying "hey wait a minutes" are ridiculed as 'nuts' and the editorial even said the following are just conspiracy theories by nuts like myself:

        "The Kennedy assassinations, Watergate, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the recent Fast and Furious fiasco are all examples of recent government culpability. There are still many highly intelligent men and women who believe the U.S. government was complicit in the 9/11 attack. Certainly the speed with which the Bush administration pushed the Patriot Act through is proof enough that there was at least some culpability that day." - James Holmes Conspiracy: Does he have an accomplice? Can an unemployed and broke man afford guns and ammunition ? Scallywag July 24, 2012  http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012/07 … mmunition/

      10. maxoxam41 profile image76
        maxoxam41posted 5 years ago

        People should question any violence directed to the people opening the door to a new law restricting people's frredom!

        1. Will Apse profile image89
          Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I notice Obama is considering legislation to ban sales of assault rifles thus limiting the freedom of nut jobs to gun down innocent people at their ease.

          It would also make it harder for the drug cartels in Columbia to gun down adversaries since the the US is a major source of these weapons for them too.

          Then there are the poor guys in Mexico who need to outgun the Mexican police and army to make a living from trafficking. They would suffer too. Prices would rise.

          In fact, if the UN was successful with the small arms treaty, they might find it really hard to source weapons at all.

          Evil President!

          1. Mighty Mom profile image90
            Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The timing on this is just too frigging coincidental. Who might want to FORCE Obama to take a rational but seemingly unpopular public stance on gun control?
            Hmmmm.

          2. ptosis profile image77
            ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Read again to make you understand. It was Fast & Furious that allowed 2 American deaths and hundreds of Mexican deaths AND the Government is STILL OPERATING TODAY. It's not lax gun laws it;s the feds themselves. How dense can somebody be after Fast & Furious?

            read again: Obama did not stop any future or ongoing ops - versions of Fast & Furious are still going on now.

            Read AGAIN!!
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

            http://digitalseance.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tull_thick-as-a-brick.gif

            1. Will Apse profile image89
              Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Fast and Furious certainly proved that Mexican drug cartels get their guns from straw buyers in the US.

              The AFT followed a lot of shipments.

              They could have scored major successes with the intelligence gathered. But they didn't. Mainly because of the gun nut whistle blowers who saw a great chance to score political points and sank the whole thing.

              Okay, that is my last contribution. You are starting to erode my faith in the essential reasonableness of humanity. lol.

      11. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
        Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago

        You ask these questions and assume it is the FBI? I have read this whole thread and it makes me wonder if any of you are of sound mind. I do not know if I will fit in here.

        You are very rude to some people. It seems as if you are not stable. Are you serious, or just stimulating yourself by taking this approach? Do you realize that it is tacky to talk of these things while families grieve. You are not displaying wisdom, grace, or mercy. I think this thread is sick in every way.

        1. Will Apse profile image89
          Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Its good to talk and the crazies need to talk more than most.

          I doubt if any of the grieving relatives will come to this thread.

          1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
            Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Perhaps you are right, but who knows. I just wonder why you people are so mean. I noticed you were happy that you bother people. What do you hope to accomplish. I don;t understand. I thought this was a place to write professionally. I am no pro, but I can write a short instructional piece. I would like to show how do make things and offer plans, tools and materials. I heard really good writers will help you along and I don't see anyone with that kind of inclination. Most of what I read seems like nonsense. Am I wasting my time? Should I learn to write the hubs? Does anyone read this stuff? I had no idea that people entertained themselves like this. To me, it isn't entertaining at all. It is disturbing and makes me uncomfortable.

        2. ptosis profile image77
          ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The grieving families at this time would not expose themselves to threads such as these. It's not as if we are talking in the living room of the survivors. This is out way of grieving because we are all still in the anger stage and will not be in the acceptance stage for quite some time.

          Sawfishlagoon - nobody is forcing you to read this. There is a lot more sicker stuff out on the net such as '2 girls & a cup', yet a persona would have to seek out to expose themselves to such sick self stimulation.

          If can't talk here and now, when then? What's your time frame? Don't you know that after each event that most people are struck dumb with shock?

          It took 2 years after 911 for me. By that time all the debris was hauled away to China which stuck me as odd because every plane crash is meticulously laid out somewhere for year & years.

          I think folks are becoming more and more inured due to mass communication and are able to snap out of shock quicker to talk about it while the corpses are still warm. Homicide investigators do this everyday - are they wrong by doing their job?

          1. 910chris profile image73
            910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            +2

          2. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
            Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            1. You never know what will turn up on a search. I have seen HubPages forums on the first page of Google searches when doing research. I had no idea what they were, and wondered why the important information that I sought was back several pages from a forum. I assumed HubPages must be of substance to appear so close to the front.

            2. No one is forcing me? What? You say that as if it carries weight. That is weak. It is an adolescent or "guilty" response.

            3. Obviously, you are not affected that way. You must be a special breed.

            4. That is just plain morbid.

            5. How well do you score on tests that require you to identify things that are dissimilar? You flunked this one.   smile  smile  smile  roll

            1. ptosis profile image77
              ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              1) everybody knows the top google hits are paid for and should be ignored unless looking for that company.
              2)3)4) I'm a special breed of angst-filled adolescent? Wow - I am flummoxed with your rapier wit & insight into my personality. You can diagnose more expertly than a Phd of psychology & all remotely via a forum. Impressive B.S.
              5) 99.9% It just so happens on visual. Lousy on words. Perhaps I should draw my conclusions instead of writing the out:

              http://www.progressnc.org/Debate%20Cartoon.jpg

              http://rightvoices.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/gr.jpg

              1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Whatever.

                Apparently you are playing games. I am not.

                If I were - you are too easy.

              2. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                !. Not everybody.

      12. profile image0
        JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago

        Ooh, conspiracy theory time.

        James Holmes used an AR-15. Commonly referred to as an 'assault' rifle, 'automatic' rifle, or some other term like that. No discussion about other, non AR-15 platform semi-automatic rifles ever happens though, most people just know about those 'AR-15's.

        Obama mentions that AK-47s don't belong on our streets, but doesn't mention the AR-15.

        Police officer shot in Indiana, if it's a conspiracy it will be an AK-47 used.

        http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-pendleto … 248.column

        1. profile image0
          DMartelonlineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire assault rifle for the United States armed forces.

          1. profile image0
            DMartelonlineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry I missed part of the comment. I believe that the comment was intended to mean that military grade equipment does not belong on the streets - uncertain smile

          2. profile image0
            JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The point is, people, including politicians, use the terms AR15, AK47, assault rifle, and automatic rife incorrectly.

            People don't go out and buy true AR15s and AK47s, they buy variants built off of the platform that don't have selective fire. There is a huge difference between a true AK47 and a WASR 10. We have these 'gun debates' without ever clarifying exactly what we are talking about.

            1. recommend1 profile image65
              recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The trivial detail is only of interest to those who are in love with guns.  Guns should not be everywhere, they are just the cowards way of feeling powerful.

              1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Or, a free man protecting himself. I use mine to get food on a regular basis. I have never shot at a man, yet, but an 82 year old woman saved her own life with a 380 a few months back. I like a 380. It is a good back up pistol so you don't have to reload your 45.

                1. profile image0
                  JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Recommend1 only thinks guns are used to compensate for being stupid/moronic/small, or to murder people. He will never accept the facts about reality, or about how many peoples' lives are actually saved.

                  1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                    Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    What's that to me? Hey, why does my number keep changing. I started out as 30. Does spelling count?

                    1. Sawfishlagoon profile image60
                      Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I wonder why everyone in the world is worried about guns in the US. What about gun control in the middle east, how about that? Talk about crazy murdering. It is a way of life. Give them a chill pill why don't you? When the government starts taking guns away here, I will know that it isn't the American government, and I will know what to do.

                      1. Will Apse profile image89
                        Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                        Are you getting the body armor and the assault weapons and heading off to express yourself in the way that so many people seem to want to do?

                        Or you are going to be one of the fifty per cent who vote in a Presidential election?

                        Why anyone wants to arm a population where so many people obviously feel powerless, marginal and unrepresented in Government, is a mystery. Especially when the first fantasy the powerless reach for involves arms and destruction. And only a minority ever think democracy might work for them.

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                JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It isn't a trivial detail if someone says 'we should ban automatic rifles', and immediately starts on legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles. One involves rifles which are already heaviliy regulated, and one is less so.

                Seriously though, stop insulting every gun owner with broad comments like that. If you can't present logical arguments, don't result to ad hominem.

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                  recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The point is that your response is trivial detail to everyone except gun nuts.  I say gun nuts because that is how you are all viewed, outside of your reality bubble, by most of the world.  I realise that you cannot imagine this, but most of the civilised world does not walk around with a gun in its pocket and rifles in the boot of its cars.  I put this down to maturity and self confidence and the courage to face danger like any other member of society whether very old, very young, disabled or average.

                  So sorry guys, you are a bunch of cowards who think hiding behjind a bang stick makes you a man, when in fact it does precisely the opposite.

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                    twosheds1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    One wonders if the gun fetish might be related to a certain inadequacy...

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                      ptosisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      It's true. Most populations are jammed up in cities along waterways. Apparently, you have never driven 4 hours straight on a 'highway' that is dirt not seeing a single car, stock up on emergency items and food for months because the nearest damn store is 65 miles away. It's a little different feeling knowing that there is no 911 to rescue you as in a city or township.

                      BTW, 'stocking up on food' for more than 4 days is considered by the US as one of the profile hits for a terrorist. Shows what kind of citified mindset there is in people who live so detached from nature.

                      I saw what I thought was the biggest dog in my life hiking - it was a black bear, I just walked away but it sure would of been nice to shoot a bullet up in the air. I would never shoot at the bear - even with a camera - - I just wanted to walk out unharmed.

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                        twosheds1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                        Then I must be on a terrorist watch list because we only shop every other week (after payday). Sorry, I find that hard to believe. Also, I live in the eastern US, I don't think there's anywhere you drive in this half of the country for four hours without passing someone, unless you're driving 2 mph. Four hours at 60 mph would be 240 miles. That's from one corner of Ohio (where I live) to the other.

                        I hike too, and I've seen bears. Once they know you're there, they usually take off. You can buy bear bells, or some marbles or stones in a can hung from your pack makes enough noise to scare them off, but that's usually only a problem in thick brush where you can't see far in front of you. Grizzlies are another matter.

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        Longhunterposted 5 years ago

        No, the FBI didn't stage this. roll

        This was just one more nutcase that went over the edge and now the liberal groups and politicians are going to use it capitalize on their anti-gun agenda. They do this every time someone with a screw loose shots somebody. They don't giving a damn about the victims, just their agenda.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No, people want to ensure it does not happen again. What is wrong with having as many controls as Sudafed? Just keep records of what people buy...that is all... Saying they don't care about the victims is grossly incorrect...

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            Longhunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmm, Canadian. roll

            Nope, I'm just going to leave it alone.

            Have a good weekend, UW.

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          Sawfishlagoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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