Obama under the guise of not making new citizens pledge allegiance to this country has removed it from other places including the schools! Surely all others in power will not let this stand, do you think? So many wanted to deny the absence of flags at the DNC but clearly this is what it is all about. The democrats want to do away with America altogether it would appear. Surely the democratic party has some patriots left in it to stand up against this. Do you think?
I guess this answers Obama's reluctance to place his hand over his heart to this country which has given him so much!
Really? Because I just did a pledge of allegiance ....at the school I work at.
Surely there is a forum labelled 'nonsense' on this site.
@ Jackie, I read a very interesting article a few weeks ago about Hillary being into Globalism and how she would "tenderly" lead her sheep (us) into the ways and ideologies of the world and other nations and in the process, dismantle under the guise or disguise rather of being more tolerant of other races.
Pretty much the thinking of Obama and even George W. Bush was slightly mentioned in this article along with Rumsfield, so to be fair, it is not "just" Clinton who thinks that America, the name and foundation should be washed away with laws and easy-to-eat slop from her bucket, so can we stand against this cold and unfeeling Globalism?
Sure. Vote in November is one way.
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it is completely false.
My wife is in her 42nd year working as a school teacher and I know, for a fact, her kids say the Pledge of Allegiance at the start of each school day.
The problem is more that they don't know what the pledge means and THAT isn't being taught to them !
Your kinda late to the party .
No, the bigger problem is people who don't understand the difference between bogus news and real news inflicting their ignorance upon us by voting.. They have that right, but can't they be responsible about it?
No horse boy you probably have no clue what it means yourself (Or its history) and youre extremely late to after all of this has been proven to be a hoax. It's called reading material critically and clearly. You should try it. Geez! Once again you snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
"For the left-wing, reality is optional." ~ Dr. Sebastian Gorka
Sebastian L. Gorka is a national security professional specializing in irregular warfare, including counterinsurgency and counterterrorism. He is the Vice President of the Institute of World Politics in Washington, DC and the Chairman of Threat Knowledge Group. Previously he served as the Major General Matthew C. Horner Distinguished Chair of Military Theory at the Marine Corps University. He is a founding member of the Council for Emerging National Security Affairs and has served as the Associate Dean for Congressional Affairs and Relations to the Special Operations Community at the National Defense University. Gorka is also currently affiliated with USSOCOM’s Joint Special Operations University, and is a regular instructor for the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School in Fort Bragg, as well as the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division. He has testified before Congress on the threat of ISIS and Global Jihadism and briefed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Intelligence Council, the National Counterterrorism Center and the Commandant of the Marine Corps. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Dr. Sebastian Gorka: Terrorists Strike Every 83 Hours While Obama, Hillary Clinton Insist ‘Everything Is Fine Here’
* https://counterjihadreport.com/2016/07/ … fine-here/
Well, until you have walked a day in my wife's shoes and observed exactly what happens in her classroom, then you really don't know what is happening in the real world. This is the propaganda that is tearing this country apart. My wife's kids know all too well about the meaning of the Pledge, the sacrifice of Americans and what it means to be American. Sorry for those who go through life with blinders on.
If this is true it is terrible. Total disrespect for the people and country. Coming from him it is understandable. When he goes abroad all he does is run the country down.
No Norma I did think it was ABC News but it was a fake one and of course it did not surprise me he would do such a thing but I did apologize and I keep watching the news for when it really happens. lol
Jackie, I have seen you bring up so many of these lies as questions. Please check if they are the truth before you share them.
I have a right to ask questions the same as anyone else. I thought it was true and I have apologized. What do you want? And who are you?
Jackie, do you really think anyone really has the authority do what it is that was claimed in the bogus website? Neither Obama nor anyone else has that kind of power.
This is just silly stuff passed around on the Internet to fuel paranoia among conservatives. It isn't true.
I am not an Obama fan, but I hate to see things like this spread.
Thankfully, this is not true. Always check your sources.
I found the same on Snopes. We need to fact-check before posting.
Rochelle (and Carb Diva) my source was ABC so I think I would take their word over Snopes which I have already proved to be a biased liberal rag. I will find it and put here as soon as I can. You will find the ABC link on down. It is happening and it is horrible.
http://hubpages.com/politics/Is-Snopes- … ing-Search
Wrong, and in the wrong forum, and just so obviously not true. Wow
OOPS SHE HAS DONE IT YET AGAIN. Will her "wonders" even cease........
YOU should apologize to US for posting this outrageous thread. This thread as in many of your threads are mainly based upon pure conjecture, even prevarication. This is one of many conjectural, illogical threads that you are quite fond of posting. Enjoy yourself...........you are way above .....your head.........Stop while you are ahead, PLEASE.........
I expect apologies but I am sure you liberals would not know the truth if it hit you in the face. Here you go. Make sure you read on down to see this is in schools not just new citizens so you don't embarrass yourself further.
http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-o … in-schools
the website that you are referring to abc.com.co is not the same as abc.com
Also, if you go to the contact page you will see a photograph of the Westboro Baptist Church as well as a very questionable disclaimer.
Oopsie, she did it again........
Got caught in the spin.........
Really don't know when...........
She DID it ......YET AGAIN.........
Why, oh why.......OH WHY.........
My apologies. My shame will be sufficient for you I am sure. I had no idea someone could take ABC News name and so I did believe it without a doubt. I am sorry and I will make sure what links I give ever again are the real people. Still Snopes I think as wrong as this place.
Make this stop.........PLEASE, make it stop.
You really want to make IT stop, you called me- I'll see what I.......CAN DO...........
What can I DO......TO HELP............This have GOT TO STOP........RIGHT NOW.....
The OP has THAT gift or shall we say IMMENSE TALENT of creating threads ad infinitum, based upon pure conjecture, never reason. Our hats are off to......HER. Give HER the due she deserves..........We SALUTE the OP..........NO ONE can create endless threads as only she can..............
OP, we at this forum elect YOU to be the Queen of Creating Threads Based Upon Pure Conjecture & Hyperbole........................................
Simply CAN'T WAIT, even ANTICIPATE what the OP will do next ...............hmmmmmm.................
Ok, Jackie, I will give you another chance...
I would sure like to know who is behind the bogus ABC site? Is this some attempt to attack mainstream media? The offending site is politically provacative and pornographic.
You're SO SWEET, Credence2.................As an adult, it is expected that one should exercise some discernment when visiting sites. If a site doesn't seem to be legit, then it............ISN'T.....legit. An 11 year old knows better than that..........Poor Jackie, this is ALL OVER her head. She is drowning but she refuses to admit it................She is out of her league.........Get out of the political forums, Jackie.....this isn't a game for novices.......GET OUT NOW.........before you reach a point of........NO RETURN........It's BEST to quit while.....ONE is.....AHEAD.........
I have since found other links with the same material but I am not familiar with them either,
YOU'VE BEEN PROVEN WRONG EACH TIME. GIVE IT UP.......GIVE IT UP.............
If you don't stop, Big Mama will have to speak with you................& you don't want that, do you......
Jackie, the site behind the url you post is not the real ABC news, but a spoof. If you type in abcnews.com (not abcnews.com.co) it will redirect to http://abcnews.go.com/ which is the real ABC news site. The spoof is so poorly done, they don't even do the ABC news logo correctly - they use the wrong font for "abc". Plus, the rest of the stories on the site obviously would not be posted by the real ABC news.
This proves that SOMEONE has extremely poor discernment skills. The OP has consistently proven this ad infinitum on her posts. Let's see how the OP will entertain us with more of her "threads". Can't wait to see what the OP will do next. The song, "Let Me Entertain You" comes to mind.
I was about to post the same thing but I see that I'm late to the party.
C'mon, you couldn't tell that wasn't the "real" ABC News logo on that site? Seriously? Wow.
The ".co" after ".com" is another big giveaway. ".co" is the official domain for Colombia, in South America. Why would ABC News use a Colombian host for their web site?
...and that "I love always being right" graphic was the icing on the cake.....
Elizabeth, such hyperbolic conjectures. It is beyond unbelievable.........Let's the festivities......I mean, GAMES begin. This is going to be.......SO MUCH FUN.......(evil laughter)..........The OP got the ABC logos......CONFUSED........it's quite laughable.....really(hellish laughter).................
Not laughable at all given the media today . I still blame liberals for the mess called Media .
Yes I printed a retraction above, I found it was not the ABC and have apologized.
Being British, this doesn't really concern me. What concerns me is the fact that you were on the wrong forum YET AGAIN, this time with two threads posted more or less simultaneously. The other is titled "Why would Obama release so many from Gitmo at such a crucial time?" After reporting, both have now been moved to the Politics and Social Issues forum, where they belong.
"Donald Trump Tweets Image Of His Penis – WARNING: Graphic Content
abcnews - August 16, 2016 56
WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) — Donald Trump has broken all kinds of norms during his presidential campaign, but he just went to a whole new level this morning by tweeting what is supposedly an image of his private-parts. The tweet... "
"Ted Cruz Will Endorse Donald Trump For President If He Makes Masturbation Illegal
abcnews - August 16, 2016 2
WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) — U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) sent shockwaves through the Republican Party today when he announced that he would endorse Donald Trump for President, but only if the GOP nominee would be willing to publicly support..."
The fake ABC News site has fooled folks before and likely will again.
In Jackie's defense , We can then all blame the new media , Because I for one am constantly amazed by the NEW liberal media P.C. ! It goes to show though that to simply" Google it " , one will end up with a media page of search results of every possible opinion out there . And here is the kicker --- Even on dedicated sights , ABC , Msnbc, Fox ,the newspaper sights , all of them , the actual truth factor of an article is about 10 %.
All the more reason for being able to discern reality from fiction .
Sad but true .
I agree and thousands of others agree!
Once in awhile mainstream media will publish an great honest article on a Saturday when people are most likely busy doing other things, then for the rest of the week they will have reporters saying the complete opposite. Its laughable really!
ADDED: Here is a great example from the New York Times, it correctly says "US Proxy War" ... that is TRUE! I was totally surprised that the NYT was honest about it. It is a proxy war.
Military Success in Syria Gives Putin Upper Hand in U.S. Proxy War
* http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/world … .html?_r=0
Darn good article...maybe its not completely honest, IDK.
CNN Selectively Edits Police Shooting Victim's Sister's Words to Protest
* http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri … ters-words
That story was broke by News Busters, and honest news site.
MAINSTREAM MEDIA EDITS VIDEO CALLING FOR VIOLENCE
Blatant example of distorting the truth by CNN
Sherelle Smith, sister of the 23 year old killed by police in Milwaukee Saturday called for violence in suburban neighborhoods.
Both online and on television, CNN edited out Sherelle Smith calling for rioters to take their violence “to the suburbs.”
Correspondent Ana Cabrera reported Ms. Smith was “calling for peace” in a nationally televised segment Monday on CNN Newsroom, the Washington Times reported.
* http://www.infowars.com/mainstream-medi … -violence/
This is the kind of sleezy editing that is done to paint Trump in a negative light, while painting Clinton is a positive light. They spread disinformation! The Clinton News Network (CNN) is the most dishonest, which is owned by Time Warner, big supporter of the Clinton campaign.
CNN's Chris Cuomo: 'We Couldn't Help Hillary Any More Than We Have'
<snipped>, uh back, if you check the ownership of the liberal media, you will find that their owners are extremely conservative masters of dissension. They love to let their media stir up controversy and make it look like "liberals" did it. It makes them lots of greenbacks. Do some research on ownership. Rupert Mucdoch, for instance.
I think everyone here knows that he would do this if he could. Admit it. He will yet if he has time.
No, not everyone occupies the same bubble that you do.
Well he took out the word God, so he must have something against it. What real American would do that?
False. Not true. A hoax.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How many more of you are out there?
Perhaps the ones that made it in the first place? You DO know that the reference was added much later?
JL, stop looking at YouTube. Instead read political articles that are impartial &/or better yet factual. Come on now, this hyperbolic hypothesis that you are making is becoming......TIRED......Stop IT NOW.....You have SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED your credibility quotient. I would STOP if I were.....YOU....
People find the strangest things to get up in arms about. Neither of my kids were expected to say the pledge in school. Both are adults. I suppose Obama's evil liberal reach goes further than I thought.
The media this year is going to lose the most , While gaining profit from sensationalizing our plights in America by hits on network sights , they are losing the readership of the traditional American informed public . that and an agenda of social reforming on the side of liberal politics , they see only the short term profiting of dollar signs and totally forget that the American voter came from an origin of controlled media , of tyrannical political power and divisive rhetoric.
I for one hate our media , I hate having to digest 90 % garbage for the small amounts of truth and integrity and I hate it that accuracy in media is a long lost art !
False websites aside, didn't it even occur to you that the content was bogus? What U.S. President would even think of doing such a thing was my first reaction? I proves the point that some people are so deeply prejudiced against Barack Obama that they will believe anything said against him no matter how scurrilous.
For your information Jackie, Mr. Obama did not take the Oath of Office with a hand on the Koran. Michelle Obama is not a transgendered man. And, Mr. Obama did not found ISIS.
Rupert, this isn't the only hyperbolic thread OP started. She started several of this nature. She even posted conjectural, hyperbolic sociopolitical questions. Her wonders continue yet again. No research into verifiable data but so-called sites which gives hackneyed "information." That is par for the course for the OP.
He hasn't installed Death Panels, taken away everyone's guns, imposed Sharia Law, or implanted everyone in America with microchips, either. He really needs to get on the stick, he's only got a few months left in office!
Seriously, man....worst. Tyrannical overlord. EVER.
And, he only has a few months left to orchestrate a horrific, large scale national disaster that will give him an excuse to declare martial law and remain in office.
He's got to serve a 3rd, even a 4th term. He has MUCH work to do after all......... The FEMA camps must be filled...........A civilian militia has to be established.............America as we know it will be......O-V-E-R.........A NEW America will take place.......................Welcome to our wonderful, New America............
Cmon, do you hard right people really believe the things that you post?what gives you the idea that Obama will overstay his constitutionally mandated max of two 4 year terms?
If anybody is a threat as a usurper, it is Donald Trump.
I think he will be controlling Hillary. He has already said he is not leaving DC. He has filled the White House with those doing his will and unless someone cleans house...well...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … -term.html
Oh...........................................I REALLY DON'T....................BELIEVE THIS. Somebody please SLAP ME................I don't believe that someone would make SUCH STATEMENTS....................Some people.....REALLY..........................beyond description..................
This forum is better than any reality show. JL is the..............prize. Stay tuned to see what will happen .....NEXT.
"...I don't believe that someone would make SUCH STATEMENTS....................Some people.....REALLY..........................beyond description.................."
...and some people aren't.
Those who despise the constitution the absolute most are the teachers who stand by , probably hand over heart , and obey the school directives letting the kids recite it , YET while professing a code of ethics and feeding from the trough of education tax dollars , actually teach these same kids afterwards the" evils" of the country that they just pledged their allegiance to !
I went to school too.
Shame on that Marxist NEA agenda.
Here's your sign.
But it has been known that conservatives discredit independent thought and inquiry by any student. There is nothing more dangerous within the Rightwing universe than an independent thinker, thus your constant war against the very idea of universal public school and higher education.
Look around you, horse, the rightwinger is fast going the way of the Passenger Pigeon and in any truly modern society, discredited by all intelligent and thoughful people. You should go hook yourself up to a buggy and acquire a whip.
There is still time remaining to come away from the Dark Side, horse.
The dark side ?
The exact definition of the dark side is the systematic indoctrination of undeveloped minds of our youth through out our education system . While the practices and principles of structural socialism could never stand on their own ; it is the subsidization by tax dollars and the NEA and thus the acquired attention in classrooms by extreme liberal ideology that IS of the dark side .
Your idea of independent thought of liberals - is the greatest joke of all ! Turning our kids into the Little Eichmann's of a Nazi like thinking process and leaving this mess that is our education system , isn't independence , it is actually systematic mind control ! I'm not even a conspiracy theorist -but one visit to a school these days is all one needs to see it!
Proof ? Look at the inner cities in America , look at the university systems , look at the welfare systems , look at our health care systems . Can you spell b-r-o--k-e-n ? Our kids are dumber than fifty percent of the rest of the world. Yea , liberals can take credit for a lot !
By the way, Horse Boy, Eichmann and the Nazi didn't like liberals....imagine that! You're on the same side, after all. You <snipped> never surprise me with your dim view of history, sociology, or politics. No wonder why you don't like school and "all of that edumacation." You weren't paying attention at all (or getting by with rote memorization that you assume was critical thinking).
Typical nasty little liberal attacks , can't beat the argument, can't win the debate ,can't prove the point just call out the half dozen or so names applied to offend conservative brilliance , even ex-teachers can learn , just open the door to the mind the way the kids did , Lay the name calling aside.
Debate the truths or go home .
First off you lost the argument and debate because there was nothing to argue about. Pretty much this thread had been debunked and was done until you had to pipe in and start ranting about things you have no clue of understanding. And when you couldn't win that you resorted to name calling or going off on some communist liberal paranoia trip that made no sense.
Now, that I gave you a dose of your medicine, you feel attacked or violated? Please! You're a typical closed minded nut job who thinks there's a cabal out to get you. Or better yet, that cabal of educated liberals have ruined your chance at success or rejected your writing.
Here's a thought: if you're going to be the bully, try to grow a pair and stop whining that your feelings were hurt because someone turned the table on you. And, as many of your like mided ilks say :Wake up! Also, stop trying to impose your false concept of truth on others. You can't handle then leave. You've been schooled by a teacher (not ex).
Schooled by a teacher ? Sorry , Today in the real world , that's kind of a question mark , but thanks for joining the rest of the hypocrites , you fit in very well . Truly , You must be from La La land . I'll check later but that's my guess .
Conservatives don't lose arguments and debates , sooner or later liberals change their minds ............Again.
Lose argument? You did. I bet you're a tough talker on the forum. Especially when you finally get back to mothers basement and log on (or is it dial up?
BTW I can tell when you're reaching. The phrasing in your last response was rushed and a bit convoluted. Slow down, think it through....right now, your statement are hilariously predictable....IM sure your twitching to use liberal as a pejorative, again, but know to use it to make your point without contradicting yourself. Over and over again.
You probably never read the constitution. Who are we kidding?
The sad fact of the matter is that no intelligent, educated person would ever believe the claim made in this forum or would ever be sucked into any online article claiming such a thing. However, an intelligent person would probably start to question the validity of much of the other stuff they were reading.
It's truly too bad that our news media today is so saturated to begin with untruths . It has also become the latest tool of leftists to flood our media with" News "opinions tracking completely to outright lies ! Blame the socialist brainwashing left for that . Not the people who fall for these pages of garbage . !
ANYONE who's been here for awhile knows one thing , No longer is there accuracy , integrity or truth in the American Media !
Why doesn't ABC for one , do something about that ?
LOL, your brain must be on fire from the mental gymnastics you went through for that tortured excuse.
Jackie and her equally fact-challenged cohorts are referencing right wing fake news sites yet you twist yourself in knots to claim the "liberal media" boogeyman is to blame.
PrettyPanther hit the nail on the head. Fundamentally, educated people don't believe all these conspiracy theories. I think it's probably unfair to call people who believe this stuff morons. It's largely lack of education. They haven't been trained to think objectively. Sadly, a lot of these people are highly religious and they've been brainwashed by their religious institutions.
Fox News, Breitbart, Drudge - all these sites have been objectively shown to be full of lies (not entirely, but mostly. Which is not to say mainstream media doesn't peddle some untruths). Just look at what Fox is peddling now: the polls are fake, not accurate. Hillary Clinton has some kind of health crisis. It's just a joke.
And the fact we're even talking about this is a joke. The right-wing has cast science as a liberal institution. Science is no longer trustworthy. Climate change is a hoax. There's no such thing as the greenhouse gas effect! If the right-wing understood the science, they would be able to draw accurate conclusions. However, not only does the right-wing not understand the science (or just want to shill for big oil, who is mostly behind all the "climate change is a hoax" stuff), they simply believe the conclusions drawn by their media. This is simply just a debate between the uneducated and the educated.
Poor education is certainly a factor but I'm not sure you can blame all this on that. A person of my acquaintance has a degree in economics from a decent university. Here is a recent conversation:
Him: "Obama is a Muslim."
Me: "No he's not."
Him: "Where have you been?"
Back to the education thing, it's noticeable that many of the apologists for the right-wing in this thread use very poor grammar and spelling.
Certainly not the only factor. I work at a major research University and I don't know a single person who holds any of these views. While there are conservatives, even those conservatives don't hold those views. They just believe in less government and the free market.
That's a crap shoot definition of what's wrong with our media , The blame you place on right -wing media is just as bad as what you DON"T say about left wing media ! Lets face it - REAL intelligent people are able to sift through it all to make their own determinations of truth .
It is my belief that young people and especially college educated people means little as to social , political , maturity . Name a liberal media outlet , and there are dozens that wouldn't know Truth if it bit them in the a$$.
Brietbart , is one of the variety that have some good and some bad pundits , You think it's any better on the left - welcome to the cool aid stand !
Whatever. You are the side of anti-science (otherwise known as anti-fact). You are the side of paranoia and fear. Just look at all the imagined stuff Trump has come up with. Trump supporters are cowering in fear of ISIS supporters coming across our borders and ISIS attacks on our soil. Trump supporters are afraid of Mexican rapists. Trump supporters believe he will build a wall. While you can certainly find an example of some of this stuff, it's hardly an issue in the daily lives of 99.9%of Americans. Meanwhile, more people are being deported in this country than ever before and the vetting of people coming into this country is more thorough than ever before. And amazingly, there's an incredibly simple solution to the illegal immigrant problem - punish companies that hire them. Put those companies out of business if they use illegal immigrant labor. Problem solved. If there are no jobs here, there is no illegal immigration problem. Your side covets stupidity and promotes stupidity and fear.
You guys can bash JL all you want , there is however an meteoric tendency for socialism in Obama's political agenda . It wouldn't be hard at all to imagine , given Obama's indoctrination , the manifest of the education system towards socialism .
Oh yea , he already has that !
And you know what's tremendously amusing, you wrote something interesting about the media above somewhere. I can't stand the media myself. I no more want to hear the opinion of Scott Baio about politics than I do Martin Sheen. I don't care how much a celebrity may agree with my politics, they don't know jack about anything most of the time their opinions are worthless. They're promoting themselves, that's all. That said, the way media feed us the news is largely a reflection of a very stupid population of non-thinkers.
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