You posted this the same time as the thread below yesterday.
The responses in there should help answer your question. I watched the news and a lot of people thought it was premature, but it was also mentioned it accounted for some of his work before being President.
As you posted this a few minutes after the one above, which was actually congratulating him and America - I'm wondering if you think he deserved it.....
Does anyone know why he was selected? What glorious things has he done? What in the hell were they thinking?
Truthfully- yeah it wasn't deserved the best I can tell.
Apparently, he never knew he was nominated and he did say he was surprised - which could imply, he didn't think it should be awarded to him.
Well, what can I say? He's your president and the honour was bestowed on your Country and you as a Citizen. It's done and dusted now.
Yeah- this all is true. However, what do you think? Does he deserve it?
Yes he deserved it. He must have done a lot of good work before being in the position he is now. (which actually made him president). However, I feel they put him in an awkward position and it would have been better to award it maybe in a years time, when people can actually SEE a lot more evidence of his works of Peace Making etc...
1. He was elected because he was the better man.
2. He was elected because of his campaign promises.
3. He was elected because his received more money for advertising his political message.
4. He was elected because people wanted a "Democrat" in office.
5. He was elected because of his heritage.
6. He was elected because of his age.
7. He was elected for his masterful, debating skills.
8. He was elected because of the men and women he surrounded himself with.
9. He was elected for not preaching hate, and war.
10. He was elected for change.
Now besides being an excellent orator, why again did he receive such a prestigious prize? Did he suffer 20+ years in a white man's prison? Did he protest China's violence by praying for goodness to come China's way?
I mean, seriously- besides being a simple man full of hope and promise- what has he done for the whole of humanity? Even before the Presidency? He was junior Senator, who spent alot of tax dollars in his state for lower income families. Well so did Teddy Kennedy, Trent Lott, Bob Dole, Kit Bond, Hillary Clinton, and so on and so forth...
I understand that he might have been shocked by receiving this prize. However, please understand that the American populace was probably more shocked than he was. However, as an American I'm not so sure how the world is viewing this event. I'm somewhat hesitant and now extremely concerned for my President. This could backfire in the face of the American people. And above all, it is my love for my country that in which my loyalties lay.
I see nothing negative in the 10 points you listed above. As for the "20 Years in a white man's prison". That should not come into it. He is walking in his own Destiny now.
Like I said, its done and dusted. Lol. Your not happy about it at all... Just leave it be - honestly, there's so much more important things happening in the world.
Yeah it should. What Nelson Mandela has suffered, should not be discounted as to his own character merit. And since I clearly mentioned his name, as so a FACT about the man- should indeed be compared to the sacrifices and character aspects of Pres. Obama. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Yeah, RK, I would fear for Obama a bit, too. In fact, I feared a little to vote for him at all. However, it didn't stop me, .
The fact is...and the Nobel committee related this...that Obama as a LEADER and as an author (people seem to forget that part of his achievement) has influenced in a positive fashion huge amounts of people world wide. In Africa, the Middle East, Europe, and here in the states.
This gift of influence...for all that he is...I do not think can be discounted. Sacrifice and character are certain traits, but as was noted, he truly is that rare figure that has captured the attention of the world.
sacrifices of Obama???
equating him to Mandela is absurd. Almost as absurd as equating him to Christ.
He did not deserve the prize as he has not earned it through anything he has done since he has DONE nothing!
I live in Michigan where he promised all this money to create jobs when in reality all the money has gone for is more welfare programs! Which is real nice since instead of creating jobs we lost another 300,000! People here a few days ago in Detroit were hospitalized for exhaustion and heart attacks after his "charitable" act of giving 3500 residents money to keep them from homelessness was put into action. Tens of thousands showed up asking like Oliver, "Please sir, can I have some more?"
I say, "Please sir, give me a break!!"
Yeah real nice there, except for one problem...
There were over 300,000 people who lost jobs here last month! And thats just a recent number on top of the ones who had already lost jobs which were in the hundreds of thousands. He doesn't seem to mind giving this state more in food stamp benefits but has no real plan as he had promised for helping the state in creating jobs! Again, LIKE HE PROMISED.
So no, I will not sing the praises of Obama!
He's a liar plain and simple and in no way shape or form deserved this award!
You clearly did NOT read all my posts!!!
Lets try doing that again.
You would have known, if YOU had read all my posts that I 100% agreed with you. But since you did not- ah, you posted this stuff.
Amazing the difference reading makes.
I'm not sure why you think creating jobs in Michigan or not has anything to do with the Nobel Prize. According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.
Obama is my hero. People will tell you I defend the man all the time. But what I saw that day horrified me. I have no excuse for that. How anyone in our government could come with such an awful plan of action is beyond stupid. People were treated like dogs. And too many people involved let it happen. I can only hope he will never allow something like that to ever take place again.
Why so much anger? You always seem to want to blame Obama for everything that goes wrong anywhere.
I am no economist but I know enough to know that the job losses being felt this year come from what occurred last year or over a couple of years. You can't expect Obama to fix the past...he is not a miracle worker. It takes time to create new jobs and end wars, you do not just wave a magic wand.
And does it occur to you that some of those people begging for food and needing food stamps might be some of those newly out of work people?
You should have been here when G.W. won twice. You'd have thought he lost. All these people do is bitch, bitch, bitch. Guess they've got nothing better to do. That or it's some sort of brain disorder.
I started calling them the 'sore winners.'
Exactly. And Obama has said as much himself.
Do you live here in Michigan?
I am speaking of the money he was supposed to allocate to give to the state of Michigan to create jobs. When he and his cronies took over GM they promised to create over 350,000 jobs within our state in a specific time frame. This has not happened in the slightest most least way. In fact the opposite has happened and We lost over 350,000 more jobs with no end in sight.
All that has happened is an increase in welfare programs. And yes, that is EXACTLY who I am talking about! ( And does it occur to you that some of those people begging for food and needing food stamps might be some of those newly out of work people? )
And that is exactly my point!
No it is not all Obama's fault. Michigan's decline came as the democrats came into office here and kissed the butts of the unions. Which we now see on a federal level.
Michigan's unemployment rate keeps sky rocketing we are #1 in the nation for the highest at over 14%! I do not only blame Obama for this but his entire administration and the house and senate on both the state and federal levels!
We do not need more in welfare programs, We need jobs! And yes, I am angry with him and his policies concerning not only Michigan but our country. And not only him but congress and senate!
I think he is a liar and is not this great messenger of HOPE but of broken promises. I think people are seeing that turning us into a welfare a state (and I mean the whole country) is not good.
Think about this, how do you control a mass of people? You make them dependent on you. That is all the government is trying to do. Make it so that the masses are dependent on them. Put more people out of work and you get them on your welfare rolls. This is not conspiracy theory stuff, sadly, it's happening.
I think the air is leaking from his and the dems in their office balloons. Soon people will realize what they have done, I HOPE and vote differently. I also hope its not too late for our country to rebound in the aftermath of all of this.
President Obama convinced a majority of voters to elect him so that he could make a major change in U.S. foreign policy. And he's in the process of doing just that in the face of opposition from a bunch of GOP Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld dead-enders.
That's why he deserved the Nobel Prize for Peace.
Ask our great grandchildren as they will still be paying for his ridiculous and costly hand outs!
His ridiculous and costly hand outs? Who the hell kept giving out tax breaks and started two never ending wars? It wasn't Obama.
Obama voted for both wars, and also for their funding and voted the Pork portion of AR3312, The Joint Chiefs spending bill, which gave Rumsfield and extra 44, million to spend in Iraq as He saw fit, without transparency, for the Purpose of so called Relations Building, and Extra military Spending????
The Money never was used for the Extra armor, and equipment the assigned troops so needed at the time?
Why would he vote that way? And Never question it when both the Troops complained and Reports exposed the lack of Needed protections for the Troops? (He never spoke up once to object and to correct it) and then Say the complete opposite like what he did as Candidate Obama?????
He helped to vote it in. He assisted in voting for the Hidden monies, and he never objected to the descrepancies. he also Obstained from Committe vote against Rumsfields actions????
Why? He did not physicaly start it, (the war) he was not there, but his vote sure was?????
Oh we are going to get into that again are we?
Bush made a speech in front of Congress. He didn't say he was going to attack Iraq and he didn't say he wasn't. His speech was generic enough that it could have meant just about anything. And, of course, this was shortly after 9/11.
So of course congress voted for it. And once the war was started there was little choice in voting to continue funding it. You funded it or you were unAmerican.
Bush was just a good snake-oil salesman and liar. Which is the same thing.
And you know that.
Talk about revisionist history!
That is correct, he was a snake oil salesman and guess what...Obama still voted for it!!!! And it was not right after 911 that the appropiations Bill for extra spending came out, it was however during the Rumsfield contraversy, after we had been in Iraq a while, and Obama had plenty reasons to question and say no...and he did nothing, but vote yes! and 44 million disapeard into the desert un-checked? hmmm... and he and the others had good information as to what was not working there and why? and he still passed on the committe vote, and voted for hidden spending? He did not lead the charge to object to the wrongs, and or fight for change then?
Reading for comprehension problems?
I did say that further funding was a foregone conclusion. One does not start a war, see that it still needs funding (because we had troops there you know), and not vote for further funding.
Why do you want to single out Obama on this one. Most of the Senate voted for it. That's 100 people. Was Obama the key vote?
What didn't work there was Bremmer. You remember Bremmer don't you? He put half the Iraq population out of work at the stroke of a pen.
You know, banning the Ba'athists from any possible employment.
And one week later the first roadside bomb went off.
Bremmer was a Bush appointee, remember?
I think iraq was chosen poorly as our main advisary in the region WMD's, personal or otherwise. Clearly our money would have been better spent dealing with the islama-nazis in iran. It's no more Presidents Obamas fault than it's Bush's. These people are wack! Now we're having to justify our actions to a bunch of hypocrites that make up our "friends", we should just let them have the mess then with their infinite wisdom they can sort it out.
Wow. I completely agree; up to a point. Afghanistan should have been the target to begin with with Osama bin Laden the primary "person of interest" until he was brought down or killed. Period!
I was honestly astounded ASTOUNDED when Bush stated "I don't think about him much" when asked about bin Laden.
You really should to stop lumping extremists in with Muslims who practice their religion peacefully. They are not all out to get us you know?
I agree there has to be good muslims but until they start getting their house in order they will remain suspect. They know who the bad actors are they hide among them. We can't fight an enemy we can't see but with some help we could get rid of these bullies and thugs.
There are quite a few of them here. The houses that are in disorder are over there; not here.
As to the bad actors our intelligence services have a hard enough time rooting them out and busting them. How would a civilian, even a Muslim civilian do any better?
By the way...someone's turning these people in. We just don't know who. But consider the circles these suspects run in. It seems more likely than not to be a member of the community.
Of course the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DHS aren't about to tell the public who the confidants are.
It doesn't matter.
The Nobel Committee made the award and in so doing clearly stated that it was not for what he's done, but the potential he represents.
He himself states he did not deserve the award, and was a bit taken in by it, suprised; but yet he had to know he was nominated? Why did he not stop it when the nomination came out, if he felt it undeserved?
Sometimes awards are given as a sarcastic statement also. There is something underlying that has not surfaced yet? The award is a tip off to it, maybe in a sarcastic way that we do not realise, and we are missing that point.
Some deal has been made for something, and thats the real reason he was carefull in his response, and also taken back by it. I do not trust it at all.
The reason will surface eventualy. He has never championed a world wide cause for anything, invented a cure, freed people from opression, and yet 11 days after his Presidency he gets nominated? Its a Fishy story...
Mahatma Gandhi had not been awarded with Noble prize. Perhaps because India was under British rule at that time.
Why not? Has any one done for peace more than him?
What have done President Obama more than Gandhi?
It is more of a political gimmick.
Interesting question why Gandhi didn't receive a Nobel Peace prize. He seems to have been an obvious choice, more than many who have received the award, not only Barack Obama. That doesn't mean that President Obama doesn't deserve the award. He convinced a majority of American voters that a major change from disastrous Bush international policies was needed. This was a significant accomplishment which may be a great improvement for everyone.
It doesn't mean he does. I wonder where the blame will lie when his lack of experience rears it's ugly head. What acomplishment other than talk has he provided for all us to see. Let's see he's cowed to the liberal Europeans that might be one if you're a fan of one world everything and how was that suppose to work out in the book of Revalations? Odd that a fantasy fiction book, the Bible, predicted this would happen. So whats suppose to happen next?
As I've said many times now (at least three), the Nobel Prize Committee awarded no one the prize the year Gandhi was assassinated. I personally think this is a clear indication as to who was supposed to get the prize.
Whether he deserves it earned it or bought it, now he has it. Time to move on and live our own lives. Why are we so preoccupied with what everyone else is doing , believing, or receiving?
While I support President Obama I think it was just a little too early to give it to him. I don't know enough about it to know exactly why they chose him now.
What has he done in comparison to the likes of Nelson Mandela and the Dalhi Lama?
I thought it was too premature. I would like to know who the other candidates were. Anybody know?
One of the other candidates, Greg Mortensen, built girls' schools in Afghanistan.
Not sure if this has been answered already since I haven't read all the replies, but here's the list of other candidates:
Chinese Human Rights Activist Hu Jia - imprisoned for campaigning for human rights in the PRC
Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system.
Greg Mortenson, founder of the Central Asia Institute has built nearly 80 schools, especially for girls, in remote areas of northern Pakistan and Afghanistan over the past 15 years.
Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad, a philosophy professor in Jordan who risks his life by advocating interfaith dialogue between Jews and Muslims.
Afghan human rights activist Sima Samar. She currently leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission and serves as the U.N. special envoy to Darfur.
So, to reply to the original question: no, I don't think Obama deserves this prize.
Nelson Mandela already received the Nobel Peace Prize (1993). Mandela deserved it and so does President Obama. He has already changed U.S. foreign policy in several important respects.
That thought crossed my mind, especially after all the reactions from around the world started coming in,....
I think it will have the opposite effect to hurting it. The Republicans however, are spitting chips.
maybe he was given it because he deserves it and is finally restoring respect and humbility to the American people.
right on wavegirl22, we should be proud that our president was given the honor, its an impressive honor, lets just leave it at that
So now the Nobel Peace Prize is going to someone who may or may not deserve it... Where is Kanye when you need him?
He was given the p[rize for promises made. No significant actions have been made by him in regards to foreign policy. Obama quoted, "This award is a call to action." Action is one thing Obama has been lacking so far. Speeches are easy to come by.
I likewise support Obama in that he is our president, but I also believe it to be way premature for anything like this.
I completely concur your sentiment here. Very well written.
Obama pretty much sums up the idea behind "If you can't wow them with facts, dazzle them with bull****". Even the Nobel Committee is blinded by the BS, but then again, given who they've awarded the prize too recently....well it shows they're more interested in supporting contemporary political positions rather than honoring men and women of peace for the ages.
President Obama's achievement was his campaign which convinced a majority of Americans that a significant change from the policies of George Bush were advisable. To wit: greater use of diplomacy and international cooperation and support for international institutions to deal with world issues including terrorism, climate change, economic and trade policies, Iraq, Palestine, nuclear proliferation and disarmament, and greater restraint in resorting to military force. This was why he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. And why all Americans can be proud to have elected him president.
you know...this is an interesting thought, actually.
i saw this movie once where this new teacher tried something different with her students. she gave everyone is the class an "A". they were all wow...but the caveat was, they had to KEEP their "A", which proved to be harder than earning one in the first place.
oOo...a secret plot towards engineering world peace...the papers today are already saying the prize could actually direct some of his actions now, as he is now known as "the peaceful President" and needs to live up to it.
<---shocked not mad
haha i'm having a Simpsons moment...remember when they achieved world peace and threw away all the guns and bombs? heh that is when the aliens came and took over
LOL...We can just introduce them to a Yoko Ono music....trust me...they will leave us alone.
and Courtney Love. that would have me running for the hills....
How can you think of a Noble prize for President Obama? Of course, He can get it by his political power.
Nominations closed 11 days into his precidency, What did he do in those 11 days that were so good?
Looks like it's part of a big plan....
I am thinking the EXACT same thing. I was almost about to write that here as well...
Nominations closed shortly after Obama was inaugurated, but the decision on the award no doubt took place months later, perhaps as late as the day before the prize was announced. In his first nine months in office Obama made quite significant changes in U.S. foreign policy, changes of which the selection committee had good reason to support.
I always thought the Nobel Peace prize was for accomplishment , not Intentions ! I too would like a Nuclear bomb free future as well , but It Is not a reality yet ! And I do not see It happening anytime soon . To many rogue extremists of all affiliations out there !
Brooming Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their Neocon lackeys was quite an accomplishment in and of itself.
'k, now i feel all queasy....
haha! well duty calls. see ya
Does Obama deserves Nobel prize?
Like I said in another forum; Congratulations Mr. President, I'm sure Mother Theresa would be happy for you. This is all I will say!
Yeah, I know. Seriously what has he done to merit such an award?
I do support Obama, whereas I don't think you do if I'm correct, though I concur exactly to your the message of your post- what "greatness" has he done? Really- I think someone else was far more well suited than he was.
Just to play devil's advocate (trust me, lol, RK, we are friends), are you sure your position doesn't carry just a little bit of black guilt and merit bias? Meaning: You feel like because of 'minority' status you have to work extra, extra hard to overcome the certain feelings of racism around you to be valid? (And by extension Obama must?)
Hey! Being of something of a 'minority' status myself, I understand (and perhaps am reflecting). But what say you?
I am interested and respect RK's perspective very much.
I don't know if color has play, and if my own reflections of my brotherhood is being reflected or not. I really don't know. However, this I do know, no matter the who, race, black or not- what real greatness has he done, besides allowing IE to sleep better at night?
For me the man is great, but that doesn't mean his work of art represents greatness.
What's wrong with "merit bias"? George Washington Carver, the Tuskegee Airmen, the Buffalo Soldiers, all had to be better than the standard because there were dimbulbs out there who though they weren't good enough. Well the were not only good enough, they were superior to the standard. Why should any minority feel any kind of a merit bias with examples like that? If anything it's a reinforcement of the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed with the Creator certain inalienable rights. By allowing people to exercise these rights, we get superior results.
haha, yeah. I understand merit bias, LDT...and that work principle. And sometimes it DOES produce superior results and achievements. That doesn't change the psychological approach of those looking at others they find similarities with. ie, they may never "see" the actual merit.
This may...or may not apply here. Just asked the question.
RKHenry, I have to say that I'm really surprised by your position on this topic. Of all the people in the world, I thought you would been all over this in a good way.
I mean I am. Unlike that earlier poster you snapped at, I don't believe Obama is ENTIRELY responsible for all that stuff they listed. It's not he runs Washington D.C. by his lonesome.
But he has brought back a calmness upon the world. I feel safe at night. I think that IS worth the Noble Peace Prize. His politics in Washington has no bearing on the sentiments of peace being felt around the world. Only someone GREAT like Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa, and so on can accomplish that. I completely disagree with you, and Obama is definitely worthy. Who else has done something great like this, who has not already received the award?
IE, the fact that is still no peace in Washington alone should have discounted him. If he cannot get his own people to come to terms, how in the hell does the Noble Peace Prize committee expect him to live up to the terms they have now set upon his shoulders.
I mean look at LEF here on the forum, he is using words like BS instead of stating cold hard facts. The fact that LEF- has now summed up Obama's politics as bullshit- tells me alone he has not accomplished peace.
It was WAY to premature.
It is only going make the Christian zealots believe more in their ideas that he is the "antiChrist", and it's only going to get fans of Glen Beck and Rush more smack to talk about.
Zero good is going to come of this. At least my narrow mind can not see it.
Well we will then agree to differ. Congratulations on your 100 the other day. That's really great RK. Have a nice weekend. You home now?
The Glenn Beck and Limbaugh + religionist zealots make up approximately 2% of the US population. They are vocal, and obvious, and predominate here lately. But they are far from the norm.
wow obsess much?
for any president to have that much adoration from you I think is a bit obsessive and I wonder if you have thought about this...
He hasn't done anything! Greats like Martin Luther King introduced peace. Obama just spouts rhetoric wrote FOR him to make the masses here in the states scream for the oppression that comes with the administrations worthless tokens.
You feel safer? How? What has he done to make you feel so safe from our enemies?
Oh you mean the way he kisses their butts and apologizes during a time of war maybe? yes that must be it.
I wish the they hadn't done that. President OBama knows he hasn't done anything to deserve that kind of award. This will just cause him more trouble.
I am a big supporter of President OBama. He has created a better climate for things to get done internationally but he hasn't gotten anything done yet and he knows that.
As much as I am a supporter I do believe it is time for him to speak with actions and not words. Traveling around making speaches will not get things done and it won't change minds. Results is what we need now and I still believe he can give us the results we need.
Hehe - LDT, RK, IntimatEvolution. A long time since I saw you all gathered in one place. This should be a good debate.
On the one hand, I do believe that Obama is a breath of fresh air in terms of international relations. We are part of the Middle East here, and the last administration did little to make us feel safer.
However, I tend to agree with RK and Pete on this one - it seems like they have attempted to make a political statement and it could backfire, badly.
AH- now let the greatness of Sufi begin. What say you my friend? What is the feeling in Greece?
Hi Sufi!!! xo's
RKHenry, have you forgotten to read some of your own hubs? Seriously, you can not discount the way he has "single-handily" rebuilt the Russian and American relationship, and etc.
Oh you're hard headed!
Good God woman, I thought we agreed to differ.
Is America at peace my friend? I think not. It is no more at peace, than I am with a "bad" drunk from Ireland. Get studying.
I agree that giving Obama the Nobel peace prize this early in his administration could hurt him and us. Would winning the Nobel Peace Prize tie the hands of a President during a time of war? Would it embolden the enemy?
Would Norway fear the Taliban's wrath if they awarded a prize to a man who made the education of women and girls in Afghanistan his cause?
Glad that you are with us - it seems like an age since we had a cracking debate or three!
Not a lot of talking about it in Greece, at the moment - most attention is still on last week's election and what the new government is going to do.
Only a passing observation, but I think that the Greeks feel a little sorry for Obama. This seems to be yet another ideal for him to live up to - he already has a lot on his plate in the international diplomacy stakes.
I would have prefered the Nobel committee wait - I think that I can see what they were trying to do, but it looks like it may be a counterproductive move. Only one man's opinion, but there you go
Hi, IE - How are you doing? xo's back at ya
president Obama has been trying to bring about a nuclear free world long before he became president.president Obama received the nobel peace prize because his presidency gives the world HOPE of a better future.that is why he received the prize the nobel commitee said "for giving the world HOPE" president Obama has opened up dialog with russia and reached an agreement with Russia on nuclear arms reduction he did that in the first weeks of his presidency.but nobody talks about that.
oops! Obama forgot to wave his magic wand to clean up the mess he was left with!
Wait a minute! All this talk of wine (not 0uzo?) and wands is making me hungry... But I cannot seem to leave the galaxy near me...
This, too, is Obama's fault. The architectural market is not so good, and some people's partners have to slave as web designers when they don't know that much what they are doing.
hey, maybe someday we'll have those cool jetson mobiles and be able to beam over to pick up a bottle of wine, wave the wand, press the lil red button DS is talking about and everything will be perfect.
Ouzo gone...now drinking Retsina
Web design sucks when you have to wing it - buy a template and make a few adjustments in Dreamweaver. Much easier than working from scratch
IE - Maybe it was Obama's fault that my Ouzo is gone. He must have drunk it whilst I was not looking
oh. Do not think he thought of that and taught himself code last night, He did not even have alcohol.
It is allllll Obama's fault.
Curse him...he is ruining our lives.
Too drunk to make sense, but I will shoot you a PM tomorrow. I design the odd website here and there, and all I do is buy a template and change a few things in Dreamweaver/Fireworks. Knowing code is useful, though - it means that you can go in and fix things if they don't go to plan
He is crazy (I mean the partner) and thinks he can do anything...lol. Usually can, which I admire, but which also drives me nuts for the ramifications sometimes.
I would like to get him drunk, ie.
And IE is right. You are a nut. Allll Obama's fault.
I have it all worked out - he said that he came to Europe for Olympic bids, but he was here to steal my alcohol. Next time, I will be waiting with a shotgun - nobody steals my Ouzo and lives
Star - Don't worry - I will send you a few tips and your partner will be a web-designer in two weeks
From the Boston Globe: March 22, 2007
Senator Barack Obama yesterday defended his votes on behalf of funding the Iraq war, asserting that he has always made clear that he supports funding for US troops despite his consistent opposition to the war.
"I have been very clear even as a candidate that, once we were in, that we were going to have some responsibility to make it work as best we could, and more importantly that our troops had the best resources they needed to get home safely," Obama, an Illinois Democrat, told reporters in a conference call. "So I don't think there is any contradiction there."
You see as a vet I certainly wouldn't want the plug pulled on me, after someone had sent me to fight somewhere, because Congress decided that the war was started for less than honest reasons.
Let me get my arse out of there first and then pull the plug. I doubt any other vet in their right mind would feel any other way about it.
Look, although I did NOT vote for Obama, he is our president and people should have respect for the office of presidency -- period.
I am really, really leaning Independent or at the very least, Moderate Republican. Why, is that Tackle?
Because, I believe that some talk show hosts are barking up the wrong tree in terms of Obama's having received the Nobel Peace Prize. *What was he supposed to do? Humbly decline?
Furthermore, although i do not agree with many of Obama's policies...I also feel like the GOP was barking up the wrong tree for having attempted to reprimand the president for taking Michelle out as promised for dinner and a theatre program.
Two of Obama's policies that I definitely agree with are his take on offshore hiring. Many corporate "professionals" should be ashamed, evened shunned by the U.S. for giving away jobs that should have been earmarked for North Americans.
I hate Corporate America. While many of their leaders are golfing they treat those employed like sweat shop idiots and think we haven't a clue.
Frankly, I've done something about it and I hope to be able to tell my current employer to shove it soon.
Check me out at: zazzle.com/goodsenseisnotcommon* *Please don't be hatin on me for my mug about global warming. I am all for taking care of the environment -- totally...having said that, last winter, in Florida it was pretty cold -- seeing that if we had water on our Northern border we would be an island. Winds and cool weather which we've had none of thus far this year make for a cold local environment.
I even agree with Liam Bean on Hybrids :-) although I would probably get a Camry for the comfort -- does that make me evil...I sure hope not.
God bless you all and good night.
I did some research. Only two recipients of the Peace Prize have turned down the award in it's entire history.
I saw your site and like the idea. I hope that gives you more of the freedom we all crave.
Don't forget also that Obama has ordered the Justice Department to go after off-shore accounts and undeclared taxes, with some success I might add. Some Swiss citizens have been upset by their government's caving into demands for information on account holders.
My fascination with hybrids is purely technical. I'm a gadget junkie. That said I think they are a interesting idea as a short-term solution. I do not think they are the end-all and be-all of automotive advances.
Finally, Obama hasn't done enough to win such a prize, but I also realize that the committee awarded it to him for the potential he represents. They said as much when the made the announcement.
Thank you, again. My brother informed me yesterday that someone in CA actually came up with a vehicle that would get somewhere around 500 miles to the gallon and then Special interest groups with more money forced the person and/or people to stop attempting to create something that would truly be good for many reasons; not the least of which would be consumer pocket-books. God bless.
I don't know.
What did he do that made the committee think he should get it?
Seems like there should be a specific reason.
On the other hand, if Yassar Arafat, Jimmy Carter and Al Gore got the prize, maybe there isn't an identifiable reason.
I respect the office of the president -- and I respect his intention to donate the prize money, but still don't get it.
It's nice, It's fine. But he got it for doing what?
Maybe the problem is that nobody is doing much of anything to promote peace.. and here is this prize that needs to be given.
I am glad that Obama does not seem to be a quick trigger in terms of creating more war. I also believe he should support the leading general in Afghanistan in terms of bolstering troop numbers there.
*McChrystal, sorry I probably misspelled his name, it's late has a GREAT game plan. To protect Afghan citizens rather than simply being an offensive minded jerk.
I believe Obama received the prize for his posture -- his stance on "war" in general. I really hope though that he follows thru with Iran.
Thankfully, my boys are eight and five, and I hope that they've never been presented with an opportunity to do drugs. Having said that, if I thought for a moment, that either of them were using drugs, *****I certainly would NOT give them the heads up that I was going to "ran-sack" their room. *****I wish the UN and IAEA wouldn't always capitulate when it comes to allowing barbaric leaders to set their own time frame, in terms of when and even, if, the IAEA should be allowed to inspect a questionable site. To the leader of Iran I would say, clear a flight path for us...we'll be in tomorrow sometime.
*****Notice that I have not said, use military force on Iran. **********Sanction the heck out out of them, perhaps even shortly thereafter blockade goods, even necessary goods if necessary so that Iran's people get sick of things and oust their own leader.
I think we Americans don't really spend a lot of time paying attention to what people in other countries think or how they think of us. Obama has changed a lot of foreign opinion of USA - we invaded a country, are generally real pushy, refused to talk in a diplomatic manner with several countries, and Obama may represent an attitude change that folks abroad want to see. They are the ones giving the prize.
And whoever said that he should give it back! That would be awful. He is our president and we should be proud.
For some failure seems to be the thing to encourage and look for.
I saw a political cartoon, a few actually, that put the case quite well.
One was a bar scene. On the television Obama is apologizing to Americans for not being able to stop an asteroid that was certain to end life on earth. All the patrons had shocked looks on their faces except one. This fellow was wearing a T-shirt with "right winger" printed on it. He had his hands clasped over his head and a look of glee on his face. The speech balloon over his head had "Another failure" in it. This cartoon is by Mike Luckovich.
Another, by Bill Day, has Rush Limbaugh ranting about how Obama failed to convince the Olympic Committee to choose Detroit as the host city for 2012. In his speech balooon Limbaugh is saying "Obama tried to bring the Olympics and billions of dollars to America and failed." In the next frame Limbaugh is saying "Yes!"
These people aren't interested in legitimate problems. They are interested in denigrating and demeaning anyone they didn't vote for. They are partisan hacks and unapologetic hacks at that.
In fact I often wonder how much the RNC is paying these people.
(Actually I hope the RNC will distance themselves from a handful of poor quality entertainers which, if I play devil's advocate for a moment, would include ACORN
Tackle: I hadn't heard about this, but I have heard rumors along these lines for years now. I've snoped this too and the claim has been found to be false. Still, who knows what is being developed in a garage somewhere.
One can only hope.
*I was berry VERY tired when I wrote the aforementioned; what I meant to say is that the RNC has a moral obligation to stay on ACORN's hiney and yet distance themselves when someone is being a little too anal as was the case when Obama took his wife out for dinner and a show. OOOPS.
I voted for Obama, but I think it is way too early to honor him like that. Let's see how Iraq and Afghanistan go. Not to mentions bunches of other issues.
Several people have pointed out that the nominations for the Peace Prize closed only 11 days after President Obama took office. This is apparently true, however, it's worth noting that the final decision may have been taken the day before the award to Barack Obama was announced, nine months after he took office and the outlines of his international policies and goals had become clear--on winding down Iraq, nuclear proliferation and disarmament, support for diplomacy first and military action second, international cooperation to deal with terrorism, climate change and a host of other world problems that require a combined approach by all civilized nations.
I think you'll find that Revelation was written in ignorance of the existence of America. It wasn't all about y'all, you know
One world everything doesn't mean us as an individual entity and uniting under one cause or one leader seems strangely coincidental considering the age of the document.
Coincidental - happens at same time - no causality.
BTW, Revelation is not a good book, by any measure.
Revelation is a great book because it gives us some sense of how the end will play itself out. Of course, I can understand why you and perhaps others are disturbed by what it conveys. I remember even as a child reading it in one sitting, captivated by the imagery and the events as they unfolded. In and of itself, it is a powerful drama.
Many of the things it portends are realizable today whereas they were not just a few years ago: one man that could seize control of the world's economy, that the death of two men could be viewed world-wide, that there would be a universal mark that all men must take--these and other things might not be able to be done at this moment, but we have the technologies and capabilities to realize them, especially if some global shakedown occurred.
It is quite simple - he does not deserve the Nobel-prize. He still has a lot to prove. He seems like a sympathetic man that has promised a lot - but that is not enough to win the Nobel prize...
Attacking Obama over something that he did not decide, and probably wouldn't have wanted anyway, seems a little useless, no? Write a letter to the Nobel Committee if your panties are in a bunch.
How could the enlightened progresives in europe be wrong? They are the true source of all wisdom. They hold the keys to a peaceful planet and harmony among all peoples but first they have to castrate America and destroy Israel but they'll do it for the good of mankind.
A year ago the world was screaming "death to america" a year ago america was attracting hate from the world.now that hate has been replaced with hope.HATE is being replaced with HOPE.We should be happy that we have a president that is inspiring Hope in the World instead of HATE.
He deserves better than that, he deserves to be God!
I find these repeated associations of the word "god" to Obama deeply offensive.
I find it offensive for Americans to hold this president above reproach and scream foul when they're called on it. I'm the only one that feels that way so it's no big deal.
Who is holding him above reproach? No American posting in this thread. I've seen some comments from people outside the U.S. that indicate adoration, but none from Americans themselves.
So perhaps when it actually happens you can "call them on it."
You are the only one? Odd sort of sarcasm.
So when were you in Europe?
I didn't think he did when I first heard the news. But upon further reflection, I think he does. The reason is that he has engaged the world in a totally different way -- and however little he as accomplished, or even will, this is itself an accomplishment. He represents hope to so many, including myself.
Sounds like a love fest to me.
When were you in Europe? It seems to me you MUST have been there since you know so much about Europeans.
Ah, so are we now establishing that no one can talk about the US who has never lived here? Does this apply across the board? This could really put a damper on discussion.
That's not the question. sneakorocksolid claims to know what the Europeans are thinking. I'd like to know what he bases that assumption on.
It's a valid question. Will he actually answer?
Naturally anyone from anywhere can talk about anything they wish. Of course speaking English helps a great deal.
Any number of people, not from the U.S., have stated that they are happy that Obama won.
Why that's a problem I have no idea.
Somehow an award he didn't even know he was going to get makes him arrogant and worse. How does that work exactly? Is Obama a mind reader?
People around the world seem genuinely happy that he won. But the wing-nuts can't stand it and are hurling every insult they can think of to demean the president, the award, or both.
What is it jealousy?
As soon as I recieve my Olympic gold medal for speedskating I'll let you know.
I've been thinking of taking up speedskating.
OK. You got me laughing.
But seriously why are the "pundits" so upset? They routinely claim failure for Obama, yet when he actually gets recognition for efforts made toward peace the right goes nuts.
I seriously suspect clinical depression with these folks. They are never happy about anything.
And of course, eventually one of these "talking heads" is going to go too far and any credibility they currently enjoy will go right out the window.
Probably because it is such a transparently political act rather than a choice that really has anything to do with what the 'prize' had been understood as standing for.
I see. What efforts have Limbaugh, Malkin, O'Reilly, and Beck made to make the world a less violent more peaceful place?
So let me play at advocate. It wasn't our transparently political act. So why bash Obama?
Have you heard anyone complaining that any one of those people didn't win it? I sure haven't.
Whoosh! The sound of a point passing completely over your head.
Not the point you intended to make, but the one you actually did make.
I think most people are confused/offended by the choice rather than Obama himself, although some understandably question the propriety of accepting an award he didn't deserve.
Those people have exposed the corruption in this political system! That sounds worthy of an award to me.
Well it's been a while but I did spend 4yrs living in a small town called St. Neots, E. Anglia. I was in the service and my wife was attanding the University of Cambridge while working for A.C. Black Publishing Co. She handled the accounts for the writers of Who's Who. We spent a fair amount of time socializing with the people she worked with and traveling around europe. We didn't come back until she graduated about the time my tour was up. We got a good look at socialism in action. Gardenhose taxes, tv taxes, unions, strikes that crippled their economy we even were stuck on a ferry in the channel because the dock workers were on strike.
We went to paris, my dream to see the palace of versaille, it was closed do to the ground keepers strike. We saw the shop window prosititutes in amsterdam and the drugs on sale in the clubs. We were stuck in train stations do to a ticket sellers strike. We saw the nude beaches and were warned not to let people know we were Americans. We saw austrian snowplow drivers drinking beer with their breakfast while sitting behind the wheel of a snow plow.
Please don't imply that I don't know what were headed for.I forgot to mention when the 80s.
The U.K. is hardly all of Europe. A visit to France does not make you an expert on the French. Did you actually stay with any of the natives?
Or did you curse the "damned foreigners" while in their countries.
Well you don't quit do you? My brother inlaw is in the German airforce he lives in Jever near Breman. I spent quite a bit of time with his folks in Geldern. I spent a week in a dutch town called Utrecht with a family we met on vacation in Austria. We always stayed at bed and breakfasts and spent many an evening getting aquainted with the people there. We spent time in Denmark in Alborg. We celebrated New Years Eve in the streets Edinburgh with some Scotish friends. I skied with a Scot in Austria and visited him in winter in Inverness. I climbed the 'Horseshoe' on Mount Snowdon in Wales with some English neighbors. Every year we went shopping with our next door neighbors at Christmas time on Oxford street in London. We took the ferry from Harwin numerous times to Bremehaven and went camping along with hundreds of europeans on the Frislan Islands. We spent alot of time visiting and drinking with the other campers. We skied in Italy and spent may nights guest houses around the fire places asking and answering questions. I won't mention I was there as a child and I lived in a town called Burham Market and attended their primary school.
You're right I have no Idea what I'm talking about. So in the future I'll just keep my stupid mouth shut. I'm sorry speaking out of turn.
Then you do know more than an thing or two about Europeans. Which makes your attitude all the more puzzling.
I love europeans they are awesome and they treated us like family. My wife and I agree it was the best time of our lives we were young and ready to go grab the world by the tail. We never laughed and played so hard.
We were allways glad to be Americans we never wanted to be anything else. They have great countries and great people but America is better! I personally want it to stay that way.
Clearly we need some changes but not to socialism. If he isn't qualified for this the toughest job how long may minorities or women have to wait for another shot? If you're not going to be America then atleast lets protect what we have and do what we need to do for our people not the illegals. Lets pull out and just protect us not the world. You can't have it all so choose wisely what you really want.
Obama is well qualified, and he's not close to being a socialist. He does believe that our democratic free enterprise market system requires a bit more regulation and a strengthened safety-net to prevent it from self-destructing.
Are you referring to his certificate from acorn as a community organizer?
What is your objection to community organizing? The pharmaceutical companies, the Wall Street banksters, the doctors and the parasitical health care insurance companies seem to be pretty well organized. Is there something wrong with a community organization registering voters? The people that Acorn works with are the forgotten Americans. The money that is sloshing around in Washington doesn't come from them. It comes from Exxon, Pfizer, the coal, mining and timber industrise, the NRA and other groups that represent industry and who opposed the Civil Rights Act, the Voter Rights Act, OSHA, and just about every piece of progressive legislation proposed in the past century.
"The people that Acorn works with are the forgotten Americans. "
They are not forgotten, they just choose not to show up for any previous elections until a black man ran president. Let me clarify, that I'm speaking about the "get out & vote" campaign.
This is 2009. You are only about 40 years behind the times. Most of the movers and shakers of the Civil Rights era (circa 1960s) are pushing up roses by now. So are your ideas about the big business boogeymen....I thought progressives were suppose to offer fresh ideas, not these stale leftovers from yonder years....
Feel free to bring me up to date. And please elaborate on my "ideas about the big business boogeymen." They have just screwed up the entire world economy, and are well along toward wiping out the U.S. manufacturing industry. What are your ideas on it?
I don't have anything against community organizing. But I do have a problem with an organization that registers voters fraudulently, And thats what ACORN does!
There have been a small number of fraudulent voter registrations. A tiny percentage of the registrations. How do you feel about GOP efforts to suppress minority voting?
I haven't heard of the GOP's effort to suppress minority voting, but I have heard of the Democrats attempt at it using the black panthers, then I heard of Holder dropping charges against the BP's!
You need to broaden your sources of information beyone Faux News!
How the GOP Hijacked the Justice Department to Suppress Voters
By Scott Horton
Under Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division was transformed from an organization that defended the voting rights of minorities into a tool in a Republican Party campaign to suppress minority voters, McClatchy Newspapers report. McClatchy says that at least a dozen political appointees at the Department of Justice were involved in the scheme. The key figure was a former Republican Party electoral tactician from Georgia named Hans von Spakovsky.
Requiring a photo ID is hardly suppressing the rights of minority voters. The article does not list anything specific other than that. The rest is circumstantial.
Eylo, Ralph, is that your name? If the last presidential inauguration proved anything, it proved that black dems are able to mobilize a rather large number of buses depending on the cause. Too bad, Katrina victims weren't so lucky. Blame "W"hitey for everything, even when your city council members are paid for something other than meaningful contingency plans.
Obama is well qualified, and he's not close to being a socialist. He does believe that our democratic free enterprise market system requires a bit more regulation and a strengthened safety-net to prevent it from self-destructing.
I find myself, in some amazement, agreeing with Ralph on this point...
I was very impressed with those I met too. I thought I knew how to be welcoming and courteous...until I went overseas that is.
But if we are trying to make the world in our image, why must America be the best no matter what? Can't we be the best at something and everyone else be the best at their own thing?
It's not a contest.
Why do you think we are headed toward socialism? I cannot ever see this country abandoning free enterprise. Hell, we've made a science of it.
I agree there have been times, many times, when I felt that the best thing this country could do is say "so long y'all. I'm all done in. Try to play nice, but I'm outta here."
I could feel that way again. But for right now the world needs some assurance we aren't going to blow it up or start another world war.
I agree with what you're saying. I take it real personal when we help and get nothing back but criticism. We are going through some social changes and we got all these extra opinions that now were on the right track! President Obama hasn't even got his feet wet yet. To award him the nobel prize at this point is an insult.
Only time will tell that's for certain. And I gather from what Obama himself said about the prize that he doesn't feel that he belongs in the same company with the other recipients.
By the way, our media is not doing a very good job of reporting what he's been saying over there. As far as most news outlets are concerned he went over to promote Detroit as an Olympic venue. He's been doing way more than that.
So is Obama too "wet behind the ears" to live up to the expectations? I don't know, maybe. But he's surprised me before.
He's got his shot let's see what he can do with it.
I agree. Now will the pundits apologize if he pulls it off?
I wont' hold my breath.
If he doesn't do anything too stupid I'll vote for him.
LOL. IF he runs again. Though one of his first speeches he implied that he couldn't do all he promised in one term.
Will I vote for him again? I don't know. Who else will be running?
I have to tell you too. I liked McCain. I thought he was quite honorable. He impressed me time and time again. I don't think I've ever felt quite so bad about a loss. Not because I voted for him mind you, but because he really did stay true to himself and his message.
Too bad he chose to run right after Bush. I also thought his campaign staff made a number of blunders. And Palin's renegade streaks didn't help much either. Didn't she know you win first and then make controversial comments?
If you don't know why, then you are never going to be part of making your country better, and that's a shame.
We are the best for us. They are the best for their own needs. The two lines do not need to cross to be equally beneficial.
And I have been part of making my country better. For years.
How dare you make such an assumption based on nothing. You are a a deluded, pontificating know nothing. No, the shame is that someone like you can make a statement like that without anything to back it up.
You are welcome back anyime, sneak!
Before I start, I will point out that I am no spokeperson for all of Europe, only the ones that I have met and lived with
Whilst Europeans do not always agree with American policies, we generally love Americans. The Americans who visit are treated as honoured guests and all of the Americans I have met over here have been unfailingly warm, kind and respectful. That is how it should be
I think that this is what causes some of the misunderstandings between Europeans and Americans. Some US policies, over the years, have caused a lot of damage in Europe. However, whilst we protested against Bush, that was aimed at the neo-cons alone, not the average American.
As an example, many of you guys did not like Bill Clinton, for various reasons, but he is generally well-liked in Britain. He worked hard to push through the ceasefire in Northern Ireland. The same goes for Hillary - not sure if I like her as a person, but she is doing great work in this part of the world. A few days ago, Turkey and Armenia signed an agreement for peace and mutual recognition - Hillary was instrumental in that.
This leads us to Obama - whilst I personally think that this award was far too soon, the apparent 'adoration' from Europe is because we look at it from our own perspective. I have little interest in US internal politics, but the attitude coming from Washington is refreshing after the antagonistic rhetoric of Bush.
I don't think Obama per se is being bashed...The phony Nobel Award is what is being bashed, and rightly so... The award is a laughing stock to thinking folks...a totally ludicrous award for simply being a liberal...an anti-Bush advocate... What a load of crap...Much like the Queen giving knighthoods to pop stars..do we really care ?
I think giving anyone a prize for something you think they may do. Or something you want them to do. Just cheapens the Peace prize given to the people who really did something to earn it.
When you have the world's strongest military in a country with the world's biggest ever national debt, the chances of prolonged peace are slim. That's why it might not be such a bad idea to encourage best efforts by awards such as this.
On the face of things, it does seem an odd choice, but I like your thinking PG. Perhaps on this occassion the award precedes the hoped for deeds?
In recognising the President’s efforts, I think the Nobel committee are being more pro-active with the prize on this occasion, to actively encourage efforts made by Obama because of the significance of what he’s trying to do. In their own words “The Committee attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons”.
It’s essentially an endorsement of the President’s stance on disarmament and an encouragement to other world leaders to follow suit. Personally I agree with the committee. I think what they’ve done is unexpected but warranted, given the magnitude of the impact Obama’s efforts could have on the planet and the committee's clear desire to encourage the leaders of the world to support those efforts.
To those who think the President's efforts are naive or trivial, what better way to demonstrate the seriousness and importance of those efforts than the awarding of such an illustrious prize? Well done to the committe for such a gutsy move and bravo Mr. president!
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I was quite surprised to hear that Obama had been awarded the prize. While I think his change of approach in US foreign policy is a good thing, there were maybe some more deserving people on the list of nominees. But the award does seem to send a message that the Committee supports the general direction toward more peaceful and diplomatic relations between states that Obama has taken; surely they are well within their remit to take such a position.
I think Obama deserves it because of his way of restoring faith for the future in the United States. We still have a ton of problems that need attention, but at least we have hope for realistically fixing them.
Restoring faith for the future of the United States, deserves a prize ?
What about all the people restoring faith in the future of all the people that are hungry, that has lost everything in ridiculous wars, around the world then ? What would they deserve ?
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