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   schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

   I read on google that dna editing is now done, to cure diseases. But has 4 side effects: 1) unintended effects 2) increase risk cancer 3) use for biological warfare 4) is not reversible.
   
   My question is: do you think the vaccine has potential to edit dna? And my second question,  would we be informed about it or not?
   
   We live in quite a modern age, with GMOs and future potential to modify animals, inscects. Humans. (According to google)..

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   Brenda Arledgeposted 2 years ago

   I don't thinm the Covid-19 vaccine will be editing our DNA.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      May that be so, in Jesus mighty name.
      Thanks for your reply

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   davrowpotposted 2 years ago

   From what I understand on how vaccines work:
   
   Imagine vaccines as little cylinders with dead or inactive disease inside. What happens is that when it goes inside humans, the human body's immune system will detect these extraterrestrial/alien/foreign entities that had entered and will begin their own convuluted process of eradicating the dead disease for good. This is also the reason why most of it causes allergic and adverse effects, but only mild such as fever. I think this is also one of the reason why the vaccine's efficacy rate is very important to know.
   
   The best thing about vaccines, and the human immune system, is that it also remembers the dead disease. So if ever a human gets infected with a live disease, an active infection, that vaccinated human's immune system is already prepared to fight and ward off the disease as swiftly as they can without exhausting much of the body's resources. Although these remembrances of the disease only lasts for a while, the reason why some vaccines require booster shots and some are required to be taken intermittently in a years worth amount of time. Most vaccines do work for a lifetime, though, and they protect mostly the immunocompromised and the children from harmful, aggressive, and deadly diseases.
   
   Another best thing about vaccines is that it promotes herd immunity, limiting the number of potential people getting infected with the disease even if those people weren't even vaccinated. Also, vaccines eradicated smallpox, and almost eradicated polio, so there's that.
   
   Vaccines cannot and will not edit our DNA. If a vaccine is capable of editing DNA for our benefits, that's not a vaccine anymore but a cure. The gene editing and gene splicing process itself is very cumbersome and very hard to research, the reason why there are still no available cures for diseases like HIV (although in HIV, there's a bunch of powerful drugs that work to inhibit it as long as they are taken regularly). But with the modern world's breakthrough in medical technologies, it can be possible for the near future and can be used to cure major illnesses.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Davrowpot,
      
      Thank you for your explanation. It feels reassuring. Herd immunity as you say lessens the potential harm ....
      I understand some people who are hesitant though. Most vaccines take several years to be approved I have read.
      Thank you

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      Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your explaination is fundamental and basic to the issue. The covid-19 vaccin can't re-edit our dna.

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      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, very informative

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   Will Apseposted 2 years ago

   I have already been edited. Bill Gates has yet to order me to burn down any Apple stores.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry to hear your post was edited.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You may contact me by my webpage, on my profile if you wish.
      
      Thanks for your reply

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   Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

   Why have you posted this here? This forum is about writing and HubPages issues. There are plenty of other places where conspiracy theories can be spread- unfortunately.

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

   Accident.

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   PaulGoodman67posted 2 years ago

   I have requested this forum thread is moved to the health section, it's clearly doesn't belong in this section - it shouldn't really be in health either, but I was unable to find a section for BS and conspiracy theories.

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      Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think the staff will as usual sort out this. But why is there silent?

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         tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         This is the weekend, not the work week days.

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         Tanmoy Acharya 100posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I'm also having some issue with my news~feed. Hope they'll fix it soon.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

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      GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This response surprises me--the part about BS and conspiracy. Conspiracy is a word used when someone faces a potential truth they refuse to face, imho. Not accusing, but it doesn't fit into open conversation.

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   GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

   We have not been told but for a long time, our DNA has been edited by vaccines, over and over again. It's part of how they control us. 'They' may or may not know they are doing it, as the rulers are managed by a superior intelligence of an alien race.
   
   Think about it, that's why vaccines are so heavily pushed, and why they keep pushing them though they have obviously spurred autism, again and again. Ascended spirits have disclosed this, it's out there for the reading. (Begin with EA Koetting, Belial: Without a Master).

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   Eric Cauncaposted 2 years ago

   DNA editing only works in egg and sperm cells. Its function is to remove the DNA that carries genetic diseases such as diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, etc., so the baby will be free from these diseases in the future, not only the baby but also his/her future generations. However, the mother and the father still carry that DNA. DNA lies in our cells and we have trillions of cells in our body. If a scientist will edit each cell and DNA of her/his parents, it's impossible. Second, the vaccine does not change our DNA. We have been vaccinated when we were newly born. The midwife has been injected us vaccines for other diseases such as polio, measles, etc but we have never become spiderman.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    @Eric Caunca. Not spiderpeople, but an entire global populace that sits still and quiet as our rights are entirely stripped away.

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    Eric Cauncaposted 2 years ago

    While the majority of the people in the world want to be vaccinated for Covid, but, in the Philippines, only 25% are willing to be vaccinated according to a survey. 50% say no, the other 25% are undecided.  Why? because the Philippines has a history of mass death due to the “dengvaxia vaccine” and still fresh, it just happened in 2016. Dengvaxia is a vaccine for malaria and dengue. Over 600 children died after has been injected. My family and I became worried because my niece had been injected with that vaccine, luckily she survives. My parents and my siblings and their children are not willing to be vaccinated with the covid vaccine. Most of my countrymen are favor being the last country to be vaccinated.
    

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       theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Eric, that's awful. I'm not surprised that so many wouldn't want the CV vaccine. I won't be having it. Though my mother has had the Astra Zeneca with no side-effects.

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          Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I have cousins in Dubai, and they have been vaccinated for CV. They said that it has also no side effects. In the PH, the government has ordered vaccines, however, no one wants to go to hospitals to get vaccinated. Even the PH president and politicians themselves have no confidence in using them. So the people doubt. We want the politicians to be vaccinated before the countrymen and show it to the public to prove that it is safe, however, they declined. When we heard in the news about 23 seniors citizens who died in Norway, our confidence becomes lower.

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       Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Eric dengue virus is one of the very known virus in Pakistan.
       Every year 1000's of people die because of dengue fever, and the survival ratio is greater than death by the Grace of God.
       
       My brother had it too. He was in critical condition, 8 years back, doctors injected him platelet transfusion as his blood platelets dropped very quickly.
       
       He recovered
       Doctors in Pakistan asks people to have papaya's leaf juice with grinding it and taking out its water, it is very bad in taste but good for cure  and pomegranate juice as it makes blood
       
       
       But no one in Pakistan is getting vaccinated for dengue. And frankly speaking, I think there is no need to have its vaccination.
       All you have is to care and make the surroundings clean. Cover the sleeves. Apply anti mosquito lotions on body, and do regular mosquito spray
       
       Even people in Pakistan and Spain don't want to get vaccinated for C-19
       
       If someone asks me to get vaccinated, I will too deny.

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          Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, what you've said is an effective way to fight against mosquitoes. However, the Philippines is surrounded by seas and rivers, and it always rains here. Rain droplets get stuck on the top of trees and tall posts where mosquitoes can breed are difficult to remove. It is also a tropical country so it's hot. So people are unlikely to wear long sleeves.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    Oh, that's horrible, Eric! And downplayed, I assume. This is the first I've heard of it.
    
    See how they downplay it? All those deaths and they say that the cause was probably not the vaccine itself. Smh. And the sad part is, the people in charge of these things are respected to such a degree that people generally don't question their authority.
    
    The Canadian government is hinting here and there that they may force vaccines through social stigma. Meaning that they may set things up so that I can't go to a doctor's office or a hospital and get treated if I don't get the vaccine. This, due to the rules they'll likely be encouraging.
    
    On the good news side of things, I haven't yet personally spoken to one person willing to get the vaccine. Even so, the news says EVERYBODY is waiting with baited breath.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       As far as Canada goes, I read some stuff on twitter posted by Cagsil, who is a writer on here. Not sure if his account is still active on here.
       I don't know if it's facts. But sounds horrible....about Canada...you may want to look it up.
       
       Thanks guys for all your input.
       this is not (bs.) there is a lot to this!!!!
       
       We have to have discernment....

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for the heads up. As I have time I'll look for them and see what they have to say.

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    theraggededgeposted 2 years ago

    It won't surprise anyone that research into Dengvaxia was funded partly by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in 2005.
    
    http://www.news.sanofi.us/press-releases?item=137021

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       Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I have no idea that it was partly funded by Bill Gates. It did not report on the news. But, what's wrong will Bill Gate?

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          theraggededgeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          He funds vaccination programs and research globally. It may be an altruistic desire to save mankind. Some people say that he'd like to reduce population. However, that theory has been debunked.
          
          Who knows? We have to make our decisions based on our own common sense.
          
          I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I question why I (as a healthy individual with a good immune system) need a vaccine for an illness which has an extremely high survival rate among my age group.

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             Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

             Agreed BevG

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             Will Apseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             In reply to this: "I question why I (as a healthy individual with a good immune system) need a vaccine for an illness which has an extremely high survival rate among my age group."
             
             Surviving is one thing, surviving in good health is another.
             
             But the main reason why younger people need to take a vaccine is to reduce the amount of covid circulating in the population.
             
             The higher the number of infected people, the more chance covid will spread to vulnerable individuals and the more people will die or suffer, long debilitating illnesses.
             
             Also the more people who are infected, the faster the virus will mutate (it's just a numbers thing).
             
             A mutation capable of killing young people or children is not impossible.
             
             Anyone who refuses a vaccine is letting all of us down.
             
             Sadly, vaccine refusal really is a massive threat to global health.

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                Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                As a person with a well developed immune system, I wouldn't fail to take a vaccine shot of the  CV19 virus if it is good for the inside of my person.                                                                   I'm not sure if the vaccine were a placebo because certain few has said the "germ" is not in the shot.                                    Actually, the findings of medicine are God given and not to be tore against.                                   Nevertheless, some here are playing a god against the universal God. Watch out and stay safe.

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             Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             I don't think that Bill Gates would like to reduce people. He is a businessman, his mindset is to earn more money not to kill people. I think he is just seeing vaccines as a source of more money that's why he is funding it. I think if he wants to reduce people, he would put poison to our food or create a virus that could kill us like the CV. Injecting vaccines to kill is an obvious way of murdering. Dengvaxia and the vaccine in India are just failed vaccines.

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          Sherry Hewinsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Nothing. He spends his vast fortune to try to help prevent disease.

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    theraggededgeposted 2 years ago

    A little info from Moderna. "Our mRNA Medicines – The ‘Software of Life’"
    
    https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technolo … evelopment

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       GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       That is disheartening to read. Sigh.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Is this stating that this vaccine Moderna. changes dna?
       Just want to clarify.  I did read it. Thanku

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    The Gates Foundation did the same thing in India, with all of the children they crippled. The powers that be whitewashed that huge "incident" as well.
    
    Instead of looking at it as being a lot of people's children that were injured for life, they reduced it to being "within an acceptable percentage range of injury, for such a valuable vaccine." I put that in quotes as it was more a feeling I got than anyone having said it. So it's a general paraphrasing of the attitude of what allowed Bill Gates to get away with that.
    
    Someone decides that it's okay for x number of our children to die, and they are the people we vote in or are managed by the people we vote in. This is not acceptable.
    
    Those injured children in India were recognized to be a large group as the dosages of vaccine were administered from large centers, so they stood out. But for ages this has been happening; many of our children get injured by vaccines, both physically and mentally, and we are to just suck it up.
    
    The testing done after the fact was interpreted to say that the percentage of injuries was normal, "notwithstanding that multiple dosages were given in mass vaccine campaigns." Apparently, now, multiple dosages are believed to increase the risk of polio contraction. What I want to know is, did they know this before? if they did, what would 'they' get from having so many injured with polio? Is their medical system and pharma system there, as greedy as ours and in need of feeding? Smh, because probably yes.
    
    They say that multiple dosages were given to thwart the spread of polio at that time. At around the fourth dosage, contracting polio became more of a risk, but especially to children with B-cell immunodeficiency disorders. If they know this much after the fact to save the Gates' collective butts, why do they not know it before the fact, to save our children? The WHA (the ones providing this info, PDF address provided below) is the governing body of the WHO, whom Bill Gates has in the past been known to fund.
    
    These are the people we trust, and they need to bear more scrutiny, imho.
    
    https://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/en/80(3)210.pdf
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1570019/

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I heard a long time ago that the elite want to weaken/cripple (particularly mentally) people to control the world.
       The more people who blindly believe everything they hear, the easier they can control.
       Have you noticed that more and more are getting diagnosed with mental.illness. some have it but it appears some are overly medicated.

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

    My sources for what I asked earlier.
    
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/04/ … U9OjUe3DjM

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

    Another source:
    About gene editing.
    
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/06/ … 76hwJLiYpU

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

    Last source about gene editing.
    
    here
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 … -tyD8dP4gA

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       AliciaCposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       The article won’t load unless people are registered on the site. It might be an interesting article, but it’s not related to the coronavirus vaccine. I agree that people should know about the contents of a vaccine that they’re receiving and about how it works. RNA of any type doesn’t edit DNA or the genes that it contains, however. Messenger or mRNA is made from a set of instructions in the DNA inside a cell’s nucleus. It then travels out of the nucleus to a ribosome, where it instructs the cell to make the protein that the piece of DNA coded for. The mRNA is broken down after it’s done its job.
       
       The vaccine creators are using pieces of RNA that contain the code telling the body to make part of a spike protein on the surface of the coronavirus. When the protein is made, our immune system recognizes that it doesn’t belong in our body and makes antibodies that attack it. The goal is for these antibodies to protect us if the virus enters our body in the future.
       
       https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … /mRNA.html

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I do not question your education or the fact that you are obviously well studied and very knowledgeable. However, medical and scientific research has always been forced to lean absolutely towards agreeing with the viewpoint of its funding sources. Please do not take this as an insult. it is merely another consideration amongst the many.

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             AliciaCposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             I certainly don’t take it as an insult, Gwenny. It’s good to hear different points of view.

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                GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I love what you write, btw.

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    schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years ago

    HMmm. I see. Good to know. Thanks

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    Gyanendra Mocktanposted 2 years ago

    I met a person in my neighbouhood in a tea shop in the morning.  While sipping tea together, he told me that he had corona virus. Instead of going to the hospital, he mixed some spices with turmeric and boiled them.  Then he  drank the syrup.  The next  day he got cured! 
    
    I live in a part of the world where people believe in herbs and spices   
    
    The common people don't know English. So they get onformation on  what's happening around the world through the words of mouth. But they can't get first hand information from google. Thank you.

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       Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

       This is interesting. I'm able to reason that herbs and spices because of they plentiful vitamins specific. C and minerals can help the body get rid of virus.

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          Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          In my country, coconut virgin oil and vitex chaste tree have experimented with covid patients. They reduce the symptoms of CV, according to the study. However, they are not recommended as cures but added supplements for future drugs for covid.

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             Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

             Eric, I welcome your submission. That's why herbs and spices should be regularly cloth the foods we eat.                               Tumeric, garlic, ginger, and chilli can make a wonderful blend for preventing a virus striking. I made a chutney of these ingredients and frozen them in my freezer for the family.                                   Seriously, it helps to build the immune sytem. Diet and exercise do help, by including fuitts and vegges more matter. You're always welcome.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I'd love to hear what the exact ingredients were!

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          @ schoolgirlforreal--I apologize for unintentionally hijacking your thread. It's an exciting topic, that leads to many other serious considerations.

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             schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             No worries Gwenny! I found much use in your replies. You know more than me. I just know in my gut that the vaccine is not something I would recommend and you helped with my gut feeling.

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          Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I too apologize @schoolgirlforreal

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             schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             I'm very happy to read all your comments as well!!

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                Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Thank you
                So Kind of you
                Regards

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    Will Apseposted 2 years ago

    It is interesting to see how many irrational people there are here.
    
    I am guessing most have no understanding of history let alone biology.
    
    Pre-vaccination, children did not have a great chance of reaching adulthood with smallpox, diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, scarlet fever and others always circulating in the population.
    
    City dwellers were always under threat from typhoid, cholera and other
    easily communicable diseases.
    
    These are all diseases we will invite back into our lives if the antivaxxers get their way.
    
    Problem is, there is no point arguing with antivaxxers given that their beliefs are so deeply irrational. So I won't be putting much effort into it, lol.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    He is a businessman whose father was a long term member of Planned Parenthood. He speaks of population control. He is one of the world's richest men. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. He is no doctor but involves himself deeply in medical issues. If this does not raise a red flag, I don't know what would. However, I am going to sit here being quiet now.
    
    Btw, what Planned Parenthood is biggest on, is promoting the spaying and neutering of humans--they even pay for it. Lol.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       In the interests of full disclosure and the whole story, you might add that Planned Parenthood is biggest on spaying and neutering humans that ask for the service.
       
       The way you have written it, it sounds like PP promotes kidnapping people and sterilizing them against their will.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    @Wilderness. Yes, if they want it. However, his (Bill Gates') motives become more clear in this being known. Also, he has spoken out on eliminating people's right to choose on whether or not they get the C-19 vax. He carefully selects his wording but is clear that he's pushing to have vaccines made mandatory.
    
    Imho, the greatest crime that can be perpetrated within humanity, or rather, all of the great crimes, are based upon contravening the free will of one or more individuals.
    
    If HP had a blocking feature, this segment of the discussion would not be taking place. You like to come at me. You didn't like that we had differing opinions on C-19 before.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I have seen nothing whatsoever that Bill Gates promotes sterilizing people against their will.  This sounds much more like a conspiracy theory in action to me, and one without any factual basis at all.
       
       He may or may not have talked about making the C-19 mandatory - I highly suspect that many countries will do exactly that.  I also suspect that it is the most useful and productive trail to follow.  That doesn't mean I support it (I don't) it just means that IF Gates supports it he is not alone.
       
       And if "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" means I'm "coming at you", I'm sorry.  I just prefer to have the whole story told, not a part of it giving the wrong impression.  I'd add that I did not mention Bill Gates; that sprung up only now.  I only mentioned that PP does NOT support forced sterilization.

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I agreed with you, I did not say it was forced.
          
          When there is circumstantial evidence in clear view that C-19 was man engineered from existing conditions known to man, will I ever be fool enough to get a vaccine? Not on your life.

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    Eric Cauncaposted 2 years ago

    Does Bill Gate fund the CV19 vaccine?

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    Maybe some have forgotten that Bill Gates was funding research before C-19 came out, and predicted a pandemic that sounded identical to this C-19 phenomenon?
    
    I once researched it, and the study was done at John Hopkins and funded by the Gates Foundation, if my memory serves me well. But the prediction, I can't remember when he made that statement. I can't be bothered. This is the type of inconvenient detail that brings on the blind effect for people, they soon forget. Because Bill Gates is a great man. Sigh.
    
    @Eric C. You may have missed this in your researching who Bill Gates is: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-C … 9-vaccines

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Your link indicates that Melinda (not Bill) Gates donated $70M dollars towards discovery and manufacture of a C-19 vaccine, and that the organization is dedicated to making it available to anyone, with or without the resources to provide for themselves.  There is not a single negative word about either Bill, Melinda or the Gates foundation.
       
       As far as predicting that the world will see another pandemic; that's pretty much a slam dunk.  With increasing population density combined with increasing travel between locations the probability of a world wide pandemic rises.  Gates has been funding health care for a long time, but he never funded a C-19 vaccine until after the virus was found and identified.  To have his research predict that the world would see a pandemic again, well, that almost goes without even mentioning it for the probability is 100% that it was going to happen.  And it is still 100% that it will happen again.
       
       Bottom line, from what you've said and posted, is that you don't like Bill Gates and actively participate in the conspiracy theories concerning him.  Certainly you've painted a very negative picture, but without any supporting documentation or actions.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

    GwennyOh. Bill Gates warned of a coming pandemic in this Ted talk in 2015.
    
    https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_th … anguage=en
    
    I simply cannot wrap my head around why so many people see Gates as some sort of malevolent creature. The man, and his wife Melinda, deserve high praise for their philanthropic work.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    I am good. I have done a meditation. I am fully aware of what infinite wisdom defines as the truth. I feel 100%, as if a good injection of absolute truth set me right.
    
    I knew, Wilderness, that you would not let me down in your reply. Once again, the only thing you have proven is that you have a remarkable ability to turn a blind eye.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I read your link.  I pretty much believe everything it says.  What else do you want?

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    I am good. I have done a meditation. I am fully aware of what infinite wisdom defines as the truth. I feel 100%, as if a good injection of absolute truth set me right.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    @Rupert T. You can look at that video and say that nothing strange is going on? Smh. in 2015 he showed a Coronavirus image in there.
    
    Edited, as it was a simulation of the initial exercise, I took the link out (another link to where he mentioned a Coronavirus pandemic before the fact). However, this was only in 2019.

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       Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

       GwennyOh I don't know if anybody here has heard about Simpsons cartoons, they have always shown things and incidents which are yet to happen, and the history of that cartoon shows that the incidents took place as shown in the cartoons... like they showed trump will become president when no one knows him much, they showed the EBOLA virus, when no one can ever think of that virus, they showed trump will lose the election in 2020, it happened... a series of different incidents took place as shown in the cartoon years ago... and trump's daughter will be the next president after Biden, it is yet to happen..
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JCLF0i … &t=787 see this video how a number of incidents took place as were planned
       and this one too  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4f4wvF_lVE
       
       let's see.. how true this statement will be... they have also shown the death of trump...
       I mean to say it's not only Gates, its a whole network, a mastermind, treating people like puppets on stage
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       can you people deny?

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             Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             can you people relate?
             it's a whole network planning
             gates, just a part of it

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                Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                

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                   Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                   Thanks GwennyOh

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                      Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                      Do you know Nostramadus? He a French psychic who lived in the 15th century. All of his predictions became true including the death of Princess Dianna, the leadership of Hitler, and New York's terrorist attack.
                      
                      Here are some of his predictions for the year 2021.
                      
                      
                      
                      
                      
                      
                      
                      The meteor collision and World war 3 are likely to happen.
                      
                      1. Meteor collision - According to NASA, an asteroid is getting closer to the earth and there is a big chance that it will collide on the planet in 2029. We don't know if NASA's calculation was wrong and it would happen this year, not 2029. Even it would collide in 2029, it will still happen.
                      
                      2. WW3 - Many countries are claiming their territories in the Western Pacific, including Korea, Japan, China, Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Brunei. There are many warships in the region, there are also many warships from France, Australia, the USA, the UK. They are arguing but want a peaceful solution for it. However, China is very aggressive and has passed a law that allows its soldiers to shoot the ships, boats, planes, and warships of the other countries that enter the territories that it claims. If Chinese soldiers shoot one of them. It can lead to war. What if these countries revenge and would kill the Chinese leader? China is allied with North Korea and Russia.
                      
                      I believe more in the predictions of Nostrumadus than that cartoon.

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                         Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                         Eric, let me have the link to the quote or prediction since the characters appear very tiny on my phone and I could not enlarge them. Thanks.

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                            Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesn … for/701827
                            
                            https://www.yearly-horoscope.org/nostra … edictions/

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                               Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                               Thanks, Eric, thanks. I'm still studing the story. If necessary, I would make out some points...for prediction and prophecy are two different things thought related.

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                                  GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                  https://www.yearly-horoscope.org/nostra … edictions/
                                  
                                  On the article as a whole, it's faulty. Nostradamus did not specifically date his predictions. As well the writer is trying to push a square peg into a round hole.The very first quote says that Nostradamus predicted a zombie apocalypse.
                                  
                                  However, upon reading the quatrain, it fits more along with rushing Trump out of office over spite and rushing any old hooligan in, and suggests that from there evil takes place. However, from there it also implies that the 1% meet due repercussion and that mankind gains the upper hand, or wins the game, rather.
                                  
                                  Mankind will have won out, but at great cost. The quote also implies that women will mourn; so many children will suffer or children and men will suffer. I see nothing implying a zombie apocalypse. It's my opinion, but I see nothing at all that implies zombies. Half-dead to me refers to the state of mind that our younger generation has been raised to have.
                                  
                                  One more thing, it should be taken into account that not only was Nostradamus writing in poetic phrases to obscure his magickal prognostications (because magick and related activity was illegal back then), but also wrote in an ancient and now obsolete language, that would be hard to translate. So anything to be gained from him would be impression based at best, because the bottom line is, who'd be expert enough to trust to translate?
                                  
                                  I'd still like to see the French quatrain it was taken from. Just saying, because that's enough for me. I'm leaving the conversation. I was being picked on, and I feel I have set things straight.
                                  
                                  By the way, she-monster implies that the tragedy mankind may befall is relative to female ruled energies, which involve water; so rain, floods, tsunamis, drowning, and that kind of thing, but could also refer to a female being in charge of the nation that causes it. As well it could refer to a disease that pulls water to the lungs, as but one example.
                                  
                                  Also, female energies involve the element of earth. That's a tough one to know how it would apply though, as earth involved the earth itse... holy shit. It just occurred to me. I have no more to say. This was me sharing thoughts as they emerged. This just aligned with the meditation I did yesterday. Whoa.

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                         GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                         I wrote a long article on Nostradamus back in 2013, presenting his history. Though he has predicted many things, I take nothing at face value. Where did you get that? I'd like to know if they quote the quatrains it comes from because some just make quotes up.
                         
                         One more thing, your royal smugness--you said, and I paraphrase, that you are willing to believe some random stranger who quoted Nostradamus as having said this and that, probably without knowing which quatrains the quotes came from, but are not willing to believe that the Simpsons cartoon made a significant amount of actual predictions, which can be researched and proven true. This is nonsense. You were saying but in a veiled way, that only your perceptions of this world matter. Booey for youey.

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                            GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                            Did you take this from a FB meme? (Chuckles). I can't find the text on the Internet upon search.

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                         Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                         Eric, very interesting, thanks for putting this all together. I have done a lot of reading on Nostradamus. His predictions are fascinating.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    @Wilderness: In the video, Gates clearly showed a Coronavirus image. Does that not tell you something? Does it not raise an alarm? I do not understand why it might not.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Perhaps it doesn't raise alarm because it was not a "coronovirus" image.  Just a common representation of any virus; the topic of his talk.
       
       Unless you are a qualified virologist you couldn't determine which of any two photos was a C-19 virus, and then it could take many hours.  If it were possible at all; photos do not show which chemicals are in the "hooks" on a virus, and certainly the computer generated pictures we see of a representation do not.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    @ Wilderness--you are shell shuffling. That IS a Coronavirus image. I DID NOT identify it as C-19.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       How can you tell?  Was it identified as such when the photo was made? If not, which expert virologist looked at the picture and identified it?  Do other experts agree?

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          You just blab without any idea of what you are saying. Look up the images of any type of Coronavirus.

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             wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             As I said, neither you nor I can determine what a virus is from an image of it.
             
             So how do you know Gates produced a photo of a COVID virus before the first one was ever found?  Somebody is "blabbing" without any idea of what they are saying, but I don't think it is me.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    There you go again, shell shuffling. I have not said that was a C-19 virus in his image, for the third time. Are you drinking? Smoking weed? I said it was a Coronavirus image. I see you still have no idea why they are called Coronaviruses. If you did, your comment would have been different. Then you'd know why I say you just blab. Now we see, you do.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Perhaps I misunderstand you.  Are you not using "C-19" as shorthand for the COVID-19 virus that is producing the pandemic?

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, I refuse to say that word whenever possible. Still, it's clear to see that I have consistently referred to C-19  and 'Coronavirus other' separately. I am no expert on Coronaviruses and have not claimed to be one. But look back at what I have ever said, I refer to C-19 in various ways, but not as Coronavirus. I was specifically talking about Coronavirus in general in referring to that image.
          
          But I've figured out why the super-duper shell shuffling now. It's because you got caught. I asked you to look up how simple Coronaviruses are to identify and you did not. Now, you don't want to be identified as the sh*t disturber you are, coming on here like you are so aware of every point when you don't even bother looking at important details, before having another stir.
          
          I am not so smart, I am a schmuck doing my best not to have the so-called elite classes steal everything I have from me. I learn as I go along. I am not claiming to be smarter. I do though, claim to have my eyes open.

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             wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             The light begins to dawn, despite your rude characterizations.  It's real easy to misunderstand when short blurbs/posts are all there is and terminology is not universal.
             
             You refer to the whole family of corona viruses as well as the single one you represent by C-19.  Is that correct?
             
             And your claim is that Gates predicted a pandemic originating in that family of corona viruses (still seems like a slam dunk given how common the family of corona viruses is).  Also correct?
             
             But I have been unable to find anything indicating that one of the corona family can be readily identified as separate from all the others by a simple photo.  If it were it seems that a quick blood draw and a look under the microscope would be all that is needed rather than have to develop new tests to see if the C-19 is present.

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                GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                "You refer to the whole family of coronaviruses as well as the single one you represent by C-19.  Is that correct?"
                
                Typically I would refer to C-19 as C-19, and nothing else. I may at the odd time be influenced by the writing of others and call it Coronavirus, but speaking about it in specific terms in attempts to be ultra-clear, I would not call it anything else.
                
                In the context I was referring to--talking about the image of a Coronavirus specimen in that 2015 video, when I said Coronavirus I specifically meant the general family, with the possibility also for it to be C-19. This is different from how you put it. Your wording appears as if you are trying to force me to admit that I said something I did not--that Gates was showing us C-19 specifically.
                
                "And your claim is that Gates predicted a pandemic originating in that family of coronaviruses (still seems like a slam dunk given how common the family of coronaviruses is).  Also correct?"
                
                For your second question, what needs explaining? You said that video was made in 2015, did you not? And he clearly has a picture of a Coronavirus specimen there.
                
                "But I have been unable to find anything indicating that one of the corona family can be readily identified as separate from all the others by a simple photo.  If it were it seems that a quick blood draw and a look under the microscope would be all that is needed rather than have to develop new tests to see if the C-19 is present."
                
                On the last point, and for the fourth time, I did not say he had a C-19 image on that video.
                
                "The light begins to dawn, despite your rude characterizations.  It's real easy to misunderstand when short blurbs/posts are all there is and terminology is not universal."
                
                Rude? I am reflecting you, and have really, really been kind in response to your ongoing nonsense.
                
                Okay, from now on, you may as well be blocked. You remind me of one of my always p*ss-drunk uncles, who never gave up on any point. I wash my hands off and am done.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    Right on, Misbah!
    
    Though some examples provided to us, such as the George Floyd one, may be concocted, it's a well-known fact that many of the predictions made by that cartoon are actual. I agree with you in perceiving it as potential and likely evidence of an insider's network.
    
    At the same time I believe that the insider's network manipulating actual life, is not all there is to it. CERN. They have found a way to manipulate time. More and more as time goes on I find that the present has changed from the past, in ways other than the simple progression of time.
    Like yesterday for example. When I researched that matter about research done by John Hopkins that was funded by Gates, I clearly remember it was in 2017. Referring once again to their site yesterday, now it's 2019. Wth?
    
    So now we are where the elite classes are apparently learning to manipulate time. Yes, the absolutely closed-minded will laugh. Laugh if so. However, if it's going on it may not be a bad thing. One day the fruitfulness of having a beautiful and peaceful world that serves everyone will seem more attractive than feeding their greed.
    
    I didn't even want to venture into talking about CERN. However, when I started looking over the actual events that the Simpsons predicted, there were some very strange parallels to real life, that should be questioned as to how they came to be. A certain amount of random predictions are acceptable over time. But with the Simpsons it's uncanny.

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       Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

       GwennyOh I agree with your statement that, "Now we are where the elite classes are apparently learning to manipulate time."
       
       And about the Simpsons almost everything they show is not just a cartoon program for children. They are conveying their thoughts and preparing people for the upcoming events.
       
       And what about the battle royale games like fortnite, they are preparing the minds of the youth especially the teenage group. Teaching them violence, I myself have seen a lot of children having stress and anxiety due to fortnite. They scream and shout when they lose a game. They start to break anything that comes in their way.
       
       They are torturing mentally. As per their rules children under 16 shouldn't play Fortnite, but what about those YouTubers who are children under 16 years of age streaming themselves playing Fortnite. Why people don't question? Why people are scared of raising their voice.
       
       
       What about those kids who attempt suicide just because they wanted to play PUBG and their parents doesn't let them play. In which direction the youth is moving.
       
       What's wrong is wrong either it is done by me or by someone else.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    I agree that minds are being conditioned and that the young are the prime targets due to their vulnerability. I haven't yet heard of Fortnite or PUBG. I will have to look into that. Fortnite doesn't sound good.
    
    **Update: I have read on what they are on a basic level. Wow, not good.

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       Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Do check Fortnite and PUBG. these games are destroying the minds of youngsters, I wonder how the world will grow if the youth will fail.

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          Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          GwennyOh I just upload an article about Fortnite.
          if you wish to know about Fortnite and how its ruining children

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             GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             I will read it as soon as I have time. I am making baked spaghetti at the mo. Thanks for the heads up

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                Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Enjoy

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                   GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                   Thank you

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    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    A friend with a science background:
    WIthout making less of major advances in acute treatments, it is clear that chronic illness is on the rise. I have seen estimates that one in two humans will get cancer in their lifetime; toxic air, water and foods as well as environmental stressors are the cause.
    Of course, cancer is no longer a death sentence. But it is clearly a “life sentence” and a marvelous gift of bounteous “pain revenues” to medicine and Pharma.
    The rise in life expectancy over the past 150 years came mostly from reduced deaths in maternity and childhood. That is not very well advertised.
    As for the vaccine, what is the benefit to anyone below the at-risk age groups.

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       GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       From the wording, it seems you mean that there is no reason to give vaccines to those below the at-risk age group. However, contextually, it could also mean that they are necessary to keep childhood deaths minimized. Could you clarify, please?

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       tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       An interesting view, yet very skewed since mortality rates for infants and maternal cases are on the rise in the US. One in two will contract cancer is not supported by any study or statistic.

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       wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I question if that statistic on cancer is fair.  In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47.3 years; now it is 78.6 years.
       
       The question, then, is not how many people will get cancer in their (expected) 78.6 years of living, but how many will get it in the first 47.3 years of life. 
       
       Factor in the dismal state of medicine in 1900 (how many cancer patients were actually diagnosed with cancer?) and I think the numbers would be quite different.  Certainly we live with far more chemicals around us, and many of those chemicals will cause cancer...but not in the first 50 years of life.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    Something to consider, for those who believe that the vaccines are for us: in Canada, they are implying that in the future those who do not get vaccines will be societal outcasts by design.
    
    I have had Lyme since getting bit by a tick in 2005, yet cannot get treatment. Our government knows that there are many like me, yet only cover a few cases to make it look as if our paid healthcare system covers treatment of Lyme when it does not (to look admirable in the world's eye, I suppose).
    
    The vaccine is for big Pharma and its investors, and those who have been paid enough to shut their mouths while the dirty is done. They think they will force people to get the vaccine, but almost everyone I know says no way will they get it.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Genny and others, you have provided valuable information.  Thankyou! Personally I like reading psalm 91, the psalm of protection.
       Have you read it?
       
       Have a good night!
       Rose

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          Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Good Night
          Blessings

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             schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             Misbah, thanks

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          GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Oh dear. Why would you say that? Smh. Let me make myself clear--I am a Satanist/Luciferian. Period. You and no one else will change that.

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             schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             Gwenny are you speaking to me?

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             schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

             Ok
             No worries. I can happily agree to disagree.
             Night!

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             Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

             I don't ever think Rose and the others were attempting to change you. IMHO it has never cross minds as far as this forum is concern.                                    Though I believe in Psalm 91 from my boyhood days, I hold that it can afford all the bodily protection that is need. But one also had to subscribe to medical advice:washing of hands, the use of face mask, and so on. I do. I even clothed my foods with herbs and spices.

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                GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                You cannot profess to know what everyone here or anywhere thinks, just like yesterday where you said you know what your God thinks. You don't.
                
                The truth is, that though LHP in beliefs, I also believe in balance, which requires that I recognize that Satan is only half of God. However, there is also such a thing as freedom of beliefs. I was sure I had made it known that I am LHP. Do I pray to Satan for you or anyone or ask you to read from the Satanic bible? Right. My point exactly. I was protecting my boundaries.
                
                They want you to wear masks and wash hands because people are willing to do it. It is clearly known that for an immune system to thrive it must be exposed to things that require defense from it. It is going to breed a generation of very weak children if people allow it to carry on too long.

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    GwennyOhposted 2 years ago

    Ok, it wasn't intended as an insult then. Thank you for clarifying. Goodnight.

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    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    Well, that's a generality on your part, which means I have to find the source.

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    Misbah786posted 2 years ago

    Seriously where we are moving, we have no idea
    
    May God Protect Us All
    Amen!

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed. That is why, if you read my hubs, I speak about the protection of those who have faith.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Amen!

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       I.posted your article about fortnight on Facebook.  Hope you can check out some of mine.

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          Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Sure i will check yours too schoolgirlforreal
          Thanks for sharing
          Lets create awareness among people to save the youth
          Blessings

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       Eric Cauncaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Pakistan is not also safe in WW3 if that would be the reason for war. Pakistan, India, and ‘CHINA’ are also disputing about Kashmir.

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          Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes Eric
          Our PM Imran Khan placed the Kashmir issue on international platform. The Kashmiri people are really suffering a lot
          
          I wish they may become an independent state. Kashmir is heaven on earth
          
          In this modern world, Kashmiris are in a state of curfew for more than a year now and as Pakistani I believe independence is their right. And rights should be respected. At least the human rights

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             Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

             China is fighting for their part that is Ladakh, Pakistan for Kashmir
             And the Kashmiri people also want to be with Pakistan as they follow same religion

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

    Please don't drag Nostradamus in as a reliable reference. His "predictions" were so cryptic that you can read any meaning into them you want to.
    
    For an authoritative look at the rubbish attributed to this mystic please read this article:
    
    https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/future/quack-prophet
    
    He has about as much credibility as the Qanon bozo.

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    Eric Cauncaposted 2 years ago

    Do you know Gwenny? I have no intention to insult. There's no offensive or rude things to what I've said here. It's my opinion and I also have the right to reject the opinion of others and discuss and correct it if it's wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. If I am offended just because it's offensive in your culture. I am sorry. I think I just said something that is not offensive to the rest of the world but offensive in your culture, so,  I'm sorry about that. This conversation is nonsense. Goodbye.

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry that happened Eric. This was good conversation.  And thanks for your input. I enjoyed all the input.

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    Gyanendra Mocktanposted 2 years ago

    I too had heard about it.  The government in  Nepal also started campaigning and people here are  not aware how they are brain washed.
    
    Thank you.

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