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   Joel Steinnposted 11 days ago

   Watch Bovino, head of Border Patrol's racial profiling operation, approach a random Hispanic guy at what looks like a bus stop and demand to know if he speaks English.  It is absolutely dystopian what is happening out there.
   
   https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/19904 … 67326?s=20

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      My Esotericposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      As I said, it is now a crime to be Brown in Trump's dystopian America.

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         abwilliamsposted 11 days agoin reply to this

         Not a crime to be brown, but it's not like snowy white Icelanders have been flooding across our southern border.....

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   My Esotericposted 9 days ago

   The ridiculous claim that had Obama and Biden (but not Trump) done their jobs and removed 100% of the 20,000,000 undocumented immigrants then, lol, Trump wouldn't be terrorizing America today trying to remove them!
   
   That line of reasoning is absurd on its face.
   
   1. Why was Trump 1.0 exonerated? That destroys any possible logic.
   
   2. The 20 million is a bogus number to start with
   
   -- Reagan: Decreased unauthorized aliens by about 1 million by legalizing many of them. But is positive inflow was about 200k a year
   
   -- Bush I: Increased about 1.25 million with an approximate influx of 475 K per year. Ending with 4.75 million
   
   -- Clinton: Increased about 4.5 million with an influx of roughly 550 K per year. Ending with 8.75 million
   
   -- Bush II: Increased about 2.75 million with an influx of about 350 K per year, Ending with 11.25 million.
   
   -- Obama: Decreased about .8 million with an OUTFLOW of about 100 K per year.  Ending with 10.5 million
   
   -- Trump 1.0: Net change is basically ZERO. Ending with 10.5 million*
   
   -- Biden: Increased about 4.25 million. Inflow roughly. Inflow roughly 1 million a year. Ending with 14.25 million.*
   
   - Trump 2.0: Decreased .5 million maybe. Outflow 500 per year. Ending with 13.75 million so far.
   
   * COVID suppressed Trump 1.0 numbers and increased Biden numbers.
   
   3. Fantastical expectations that ANY president can get 100% of the undocumented out of the country which makes the logic nonexistent.
   
   4. Doesn't give credit to Obama for being the ONLY president to end up with less undocumented at the end of his term than with what he started. (It remains to be seen if Trump does any better).

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      wildernessposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      First, your numbers are bogus, and have little to do with reality for they are telling only part of the story (pretty common today).
      
      Second, You misrepresented the point about Trump's work, I assume intentionally.  Nevertheless, I'll repeat it with additional wording.  Had Biden, Obama and the rest done their job, Trump would not have the virtual armies out doing the job they refused to do.  He would not have so many illegals to deal with and, had we deported them on a regular basis, would not have the idiotic "sanctuary" areas.  Nor would he have the idiots and fools rioting and fighting enforcement of the law, for it would have been common practice for decades.
      
      But they didn't do that.  They refused adequate border security, including the wall that is proving so effective.  Obama got rid of millions by illegally making them a lower class citizen.  Biden brought them in and hid them. Trump is not fighting merely the illegals, but previous presidents that took it upon themselves to ignore their sworn duties and allow it to happen.  That Trump is not following their example is to his enormous credit, not something evil and wrong.

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         My Esotericposted 9 days agoin reply to this

         You went of track with "Had Biden, Obama and the rest done their job, "
         
         Why didn't you write "Had Obama, Trump, Biden and the rest done their job ..." By omitting Trump you lose all creditability.
         
         You didn't even acknowledge that Obama reduced the undocumented population. That also pokes holes in your credibility.
         
         You implied that each president before Trump 2.0, including Trump 1.0, could have and should have done the impossible and removed 100% of the undocumented.
         
         Worse, you deflect to other's actions or inactions to justify Trump 2.0's terrorism of American citizens rather than address that head on.
         
         How is one supposed to take your reasoning seriously?

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            Credence2posted 9 days agoin reply to this

            “How is one supposed to take your reasoning seriously?”
            
            That is just it, you don’t……..

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            wildernessposted 9 days agoin reply to this

            Gross exaggerations ("terrorism of American citizens") does your argument no good at all.  Instead it turns your entire post into nothing but garbage, such as pretending that Obama did a good job eliminating illegal aliens...while he illegally gave permission to millions to stay here.

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               My Esotericposted 8 days agoin reply to this

               Ask the citizens, let alone the innocent undocumented immigrants who have jobs and pay taxes, in LA, Chicago, D.C., Charlotte, Nashville if they don't feel terrorized by Trump's version of the Gestapo.
               
               1. Daycare raid in front of toddlers
               
               In Chicago this month, ICE agents entered a Spanish-immersion preschool with guns to detain a teacher, “Miss Diana,” in front of very young children.
               
               Parents described kids watching an adult they trusted being tackled and dragged out, with one mother writing that “this kind of trauma lasts” and that children are now frightened of uniforms and loud knocks.
               
               Why it feels like terror to families:
               They sent their kids to daycare and instead got a militarized arrest inside a school, with no regard for the psychological impact on toddlers.
               
               2. “We’re never going to feel safe” – even after becoming a citizen
               
               In North Carolina, a woman who recently became a U.S. citizen told CBS News that, despite doing everything “the right way,” she and her family still live in fear amid ICE raids in their area.
               
               Her quote: “We’re never going to feel safe.” The raids have spread from one city to another and people in mixed-status communities are afraid to go out or answer the door.
               
               Why it feels like terror:
               Even people who escaped immigration precarity say the constant presence of raids and stories of wrongful arrests means they live with a baseline sense of threat.
               
               3. U.S. citizens wrongly grabbed off the street or at work
               
               Portland, Oregon (Oct 2025): Frank Miranda, a U.S. citizen born in California, was stopped outside work by plainclothes officers, handcuffed, put in an unmarked vehicle, and taken to an ICE facility after they claimed he’d “overstayed” a visa he never had. He was held for hours and released only after asserting his citizenship repeatedly.
               
               Alabama (2025): Leonardo Garcia Venegas, a U.S-born citizen and construction worker, was twice arrested by immigration agents and is now suing, saying his detentions were “unreasonable” and violated the Fourth Amendment.
               
               A broader investigation found more than 170 U.S. citizens detained by immigration agents in a single year, often held incommunicado so their families had no idea where they were.
               
               Why it feels like terror:
               When citizens are grabbed, cuffed, and disappeared into detention by people who misidentify them, everyone who “looks like” them (or lives with them) learns that paperwork doesn’t guarantee safety.
               
               4. Parents taken on the way to pick up kids or go to work
               
               In Washington state, Brazilian dad Guilherme “Gui” Silva was detained by ICE while driving to pick up his 4-year-old daughter. His pregnant U.S.-citizen wife described him being “aggressively apprehended” without a warrant, chained, and taken to detention despite no criminal record, while she’s left alone and nearly due.
               
               In other raids, people are arrested en route to work or outside job sites, creating “ghost town” communities where immigrant workers are suddenly gone and everyone else is afraid to leave home.
               
               Why it feels like terror:
               From the family’s perspective, an ordinary day (going to work, picking up a child) can turn into a disappearance, with kids coming home to find a parent simply… not there.
               
               Even I  live in fear of Trump's Gestapo and I am white.

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                  abwilliamsposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  There has been ample opportunity for ILLEGALS to make things right. If they haven't by now --- it's on them.

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                     My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                     But those aren't Trump's targets anymore. Very few of those he is TERRORIZING are undocumented immigrants, many of whom were legal before Trump claimed they weren't.
                     
                     Remember when Donald "the felon" Trump LIED to you that he was only going after the "worst of the worst"? Guess you don't mind being lied to.

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                  wildernessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  "Ask the citizens, let alone the innocent undocumented immigrants who have jobs and pay taxes, in LA, Chicago, D.C., Charlotte, Nashville if they don't feel terrorized by Trump's version of the Gestapo."
                  
                  1)  Why are citizens terrorized by police chasing criminals?  Do they fear being shot by accident if they riot to stop the law? 
                  
                  2)There ARE no "innocent, undocumented immigrants".  None.  Zero.  Every one (barring children) has committed at least one crime per day since the crime of illegally crossing our border.  Best that they are afraid (not "terrorized" as you like to exaggerate); perhaps they will avail themselves of the still available $1,000 check to go home voluntarily.
                  
                  We have criminal day cares hiring more criminals to care for our children?  Now, just who is to blame for that?  Trump?
                  
                  Venegas is suing.  That's nice; come back when he wins his case.
                  
                  Do you expect Silva's wife to describe his arrest any other way?  Should he be left alone with his life of crime because he's married?  Or because he has children?  We don't do that for any other criminals...
                  
                  Creating ghost towns, eh?  Guess Biden and Obama did not even attempt to do their job when whole towns are illegal aliens.
                  
                  Yep.  Kids come home and find their criminal parent(s) gone.  Happens every day of every month to children of criminals.  Shall we now let all criminals go free, or just the brown ones (your racist portrayal, not mine)?

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                     My Esotericposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                     Because the police are chasing them simply because their skin is brown and not criminals

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                        wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                        You have proof of this, of course - no doubt secret ICE documents giving the order.
                        
                        All of us here would LOVE to see those documents.  Would you be so kind as to produce them?

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   My Esotericposted 7 days ago

   You remember the case of Marimar Martinez’s who many of you claimed as an illegal alien (she was an American citizen) who was charged with felonies for "ramming" a federal vehicle which many of you swore up and down that she did? Not only that, the agents shot at her for no good reason and then boasted about it.
   
   Well, she didn't ram their car, they rammed hers!!! They simply lied to the judge about that. Finally, that circus act called DHS was forced to drop their case against Martinez.
   
   Hope she sues the gov't and each one who lied for a billion dollars for what Trump put her through.
   
   https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/us/marim … at-we-know

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   My Esotericposted 7 days ago

   The Catholic Church is now condemning Trump's terrorism in major cities and elsewhere of brown people. Fox News appears to agree because they didn't appear to try to twist the Pope's words in this story.
   
   https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-leo- … respectful

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      wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

      The Catholic Church complains any time we take action against criminals of any kind.  I will listen to them AFTER they have opened the walls to Vatican City and are supporting anyone that has wandered in.

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   My Esotericposted 2 days ago

   Not that she probably gives a damn, but the Sickening ICE actions finally got personal to one of Trump's girls,
   
   "Woman with family ties to White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt arrested by ICE" - The woman is Leavitt's sister-in-law who was once engaged to Leavitt's brother.
   
   "Bruna Caroline Ferreira, a Brazil native and the mother of Leavitt’s nephew, was arrested near Boston on November 12, her attorney, Todd Pomerleau, told CNN.
   
   Ferreira’s attorney said she was a former recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), which grants temporary protection from deportation for those brought to the US as children.
   
   She was unable to renew her status a few years ago during President Donald Trump’s efforts to end the program during his first administration, but is currently in the middle of a “lawful immigration process” for US citizenship, Pomerleau said."
   
   Another legal immigrant is kidnapped by ICE. Watch to see if Trump lets her go.
   
   https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/26/politics … ed-ice-hnk

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      Sharlee01posted 2 days agoin reply to this

      Facts show ----   Based on what has been reported, Bruna Caroline Ferreira was arrested by ICE on November 12 in Revere, Massachusetts, after officials stated she had overstayed a tourist visa that expired in 1999. Public records also show that she is currently being held in ICE custody in Louisiana and is now in removal proceedings while awaiting a bond hearing. Her attorney has confirmed her arrest and says she previously had DACA protection and was working toward legal residency, but there is no public documentation showing she appeared in court prior to this arrest, nor is there any confirmed criminal conviction on record. The only verified facts available at this point are her long-expired visa, her arrest by ICE, the ongoing removal process, and her lawyer’s statements disputing ICE’s claims about a prior battery arrest.
      
      It should be easy for her attorney to prove she has previously been working with immigration on solving her alleged illegal status.

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         wildernessposted 2 days agoin reply to this

         I believe that all of that is irrelevant; her attorney has made a statement that she is here illegally but trying to make it legal for the past 6 years.  Ice has therefore kidnapped her (because she has only had 6 years to correct the problem) and should be jailed for such a vile action.

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            Sharlee01posted 2 days agoin reply to this

            My point if what her atty says is true, that she was working on it, it would be easy to prove with documentation, and as you said, 6 years is a long time. Thus far looks as if she has no legal claim to stay in the US.

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               wildernessposted 2 days agoin reply to this

               That thought hit me too - where is the documentation she has been filing/working on for the last 6 years?  I also question that tourist visa that expired in 1997 - that's a LOT more than 6 years!

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               My Esotericposted 39 hours agoin reply to this

               Wouldn't you believe her attorney over ICE which has no history of telling the truth?
               
               And I would say "Thus far it makes sense she has a legal claim to stay in the  US."  Why didn't ICE check (not that it would have made ANY difference) instead of knee-jerk action?

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            My Esotericposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

            I am glad I researched this before responding - I learned a couple of things, none of which make me feel good about the American justice system. In any case, the bottom line is this:
            
            "“Legally, ICE does have the power to detain someone who overstayed a visa, even if they’re now in a lawful process to fix it. That’s why her lawyer can say she’s in a ‘lawful immigration process’ and DHS can also say she’s here illegally. What’s really disturbing is that our system doesn’t give people any automatic protection just for trying to regularize their status — they’re still deportable until they win. That may be legal, but it’s pretty hard to call it fair.”"
            
            If that is the case, what I don't understand is why those judges, clerks, and other administrators who process these lawful claims aren't getting arrested for aiding and abetting criminals by not immediately turning them over to ICE upon learning these people are trying to fix an error.
            
            America has done many, many shameful things in its past and today - this just adds to the count.

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      Sharlee01posted 30 hours agoin reply to this

      You’re exactly right to focus on the visa history, because that is the single biggest factor that determines whether someone could ever have been eligible for DACA.
      
      Here’s the key point:
      
      ✅ If she entered the U.S. on a B-2 tourist visa, she cannot have been a DACA-eligible child entrant.
      
      To qualify for DACA, a person must have:
      
      Entered the United States before turning 16, AND
      
      Entered without inspection (illegal entry) or
      Overstayed a visa as a minor, AND
      
      Lived continuously in the U.S. since 2007, AND
      
      Been present in the U.S. on the DACA announcement date in 2012.
      
      What the reports say:
      
      DHS/ICE stated publicly she entered the U.S. on a B-2 tourist visa and was required to leave by June 1999.
      
      A person who entered as a tourist on a visa was not brought in by parents without documentation — the scenario that DACA was designed for.

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         wildernessposted 15 hours agoin reply to this

         Nice to see our government law enforcement working to enforce our laws without regard to who it is.  Not like Biden pardoning his own son for crimes committed, right?
         
         If only we could replace Trump with another behaving like that.  Would you consider Jared Kushner?

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            Sharlee01posted 9 hours agoin reply to this

            I agree with you — it really is good to see law enforcement doing its job the way it’s supposed to, without worrying about who the person is. That’s how the system should work.
            
            As for Jared Kushner, from what I’ve seen of him so far, I actually like quite a bit of what he brings to the table. I’d still want to do a deeper dive before saying anything definitive, but he’s someone I’d be open to looking at more seriously.

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            My Esotericposted 7 hours agoin reply to this

            Until you’re willing to say Trump should be arrested for the laws he’s broken, your outraged complaints are nothing more than partisan rhetoric, not a principled stand on the rule of law.

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   Readmikenowposted 41 hours ago

   This illustrates the hypocrisy of the democrat party.  They don't care about illegal aliens.  They only care about hurting the country and the president.
   
   
   

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      Sharlee01posted 40 hours agoin reply to this

      Mike, in my view, the Democrats have one agenda, the same one they’ve had for many years, and that is to bring down Donald Trump. I believe he truly loves this country and is willing to endure anything they throw at him while continuing to fight and point out the truth. To me, this party does not care about America or its people. They have nothing to offer in terms of an American, democratic agenda and are working hard to destroy the country. At this point, I can honestly say that anyone who doesn’t see this is either brainwashed, has TDS, or both.
      
      Oh, and by the way --- Happy Thanksgiving!

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         My Esotericposted 39 hours agoin reply to this

         The difference, as I hope you are aware, is that Clinton, Bush, and Obama DIDN'T TERRORIZE America doing it. That was why they had ZERO PROTESTS/RIOTS.

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         wildernessposted 39 hours agoin reply to this

         On this we certainly agree; the primary objective of the Democrat party is to remove Donald Trump from politics.  Nothing else is nearly as important, nothing else requires the effort or resources as getting rid of Trump.
         
         People are but pawns in their struggle here - encouraging our soldiers to disobey orders is a good example, particularly when there were no illegal orders they could point to that should be disobeyed.

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      My Esotericposted 39 hours agoin reply to this

      You stepped into this one.
      
      The difference, as I hope you are aware, is that Clinton, Bush, and Obama DIDN'T TERRORIZE America doing it. That was why they had ZERO PROTESTS/RIOTS.

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         wildernessposted 39 hours agoin reply to this

         If terror is being spread it is because illegal aliens will soon be sent home.  There is no possible reason for Americans to be afraid, and certainly no reason to be "terrified".

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            My Esotericposted 34 hours agoin reply to this

            There were no reason for the Jews to be terrified under Hitler, was there.

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         Credence2posted 33 hours agoin reply to this

         A point has to be made that the difference is certainly not of a partisan nature but is focused on Trump and his methods. So it is not even Republican Party as they once were ; GW Bush, but Trump specifically.

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         Readmikenowposted 14 hours agoin reply to this

         You are mistaken.
         
         The people were detained just as they are now.
         
         The laws and methods of enforcing immigration haven't changed.

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   My Esotericposted 7 hours ago

   WOW!!!
   
   At least 225 judges have ruled in more than 700 cases that the administration’s new policy, which also deprives people of an opportunity to seek release from an immigration court, is a likely violation of law and the right to due process. Those judges were appointed by all modern presidents — including 23 by Trump himself — and hail from at least 35 states, according to a POLITICO analysis of thousands of recent cases. The number of judges opposing the administration’s position has more than doubled in less than a month.
   
   In contrast, only eight judges nationwide, including six appointed by Trump, have sided with the administration’s new mass detention policy.
   
   But the hypocritical Right cares not about how many laws Trump breaks.
   
   https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/2 … y-00669861

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