Was Bin Laden's Assasination Legal?

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C.J. Wrightposted 13 years ago
With all of the talk about GITMO regarding "Illegal Detention" and "Enhanced Interigation" techniques, I was wondering what were the thoughts of those who believed that all of the Detainees should have a trial in the US. Specifically, should Bin Laden have been brought back to the US to stand trial?
If so, does that make his assasination a US Sanctioned murder? It's been made clear, that this operation was intended to kill Bin Laden. That he did not resist. That he was not located in a defined "Theater of Operations" at the time of his death.
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  Jaydeusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  According to the SEALS that invaded the compound, they gave him orders to surrender and he started shooting back.
  On the fact we performed military action in a county that has told us to stay out, have not you noticed this is American foreign policy? We routinely invade sovereign nations to do our bidding. The difference here is that we told Pakistan that if we find him there, we will kill him. So we did, and they seem to be okay with that.
  On Gitmo, did you know we are there illegally? When Castro replaced the American backed and installed dictator Batista(who raped the country of their resources and sold them cheap to the USA while Cuban citizen had no gasoline or sugar), Castro told our government to removed their military base, or allow them to install one in Miami. Venezuela, Argentina, and Brazil have also asked for the same equality, but to no success.
  It is US policy to keep eyes and troops in countries that refuse occupation and resource raping. It is in ''our nation's interest''. What about the interests of those nation's people? We call leaders who see what the US government does to the rest of the world and speak and act out against it ''dictators'' or ''communists''.
  Sheep. We are all sheep and the media is our shepherd.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We have a lease for GTMO. Granted Castro cashed only one check(or so the rumor goes). However the rent is paid, even though the lease expired. I guess it has a provision to auto continue unless otherwised stipulated.
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  Jaydeusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Illegally occupying another nation. Imperialism is against the Geneva Convention's doctrine.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think we should withdraw from the Geneva Convention. It has served it's purpose. It is now simply a tool used against those foolish enough to abide by it.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  According to the White House Press Secretary, who just concluded a press conference, the objective of the mission was to capture or kill Bin Laden. Bin Laden resisted, which is why he was killed instead of captured. However, he was not armed.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And....your thoughts? I mean other than you point out a difference of opinion regarding a statement of fact. What are your thoughts on the legality?
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I consider it to be illegal. I'm also a little skeptical that it was necessary to kill him. However, in this case, I don't care. I know it's hypocritical of me not to care, but I don't.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I suspect thats a popular sentiment among Liberals. I appreciate your honesty. Most of us(Liberals and Conservatives) are a little uneasy about sharing our less than "PC" thoughts.
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  hottopicsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  CJ.
  
  I have no problem Bin Laden was killed. I think a head shot was to quick, he should have suffered longer. Here is what I alwaqys thought should have happened.
  
  We capture BinLaden. Rebuild the towers exactly as they were. Upon completion, put Bin Laden on a cross facing the buildings. Then put a thin coat of honey on him. Then let loose 1 million red ants from Texas( they are brutal). Let them eat him to the bone. It would take about 2 days. In the mean time, he would be looking at the towers and knew he failed until his slow death.
  
  Even this was to meciful on him
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Was his killing of the nearly 3000 people on 9/11 legal?
  He had no redeeming value to society. His termination was justified.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "He had no redeeming value to society." How many could be systematically removed from society simply based on this criteria? Don't get me wrong, if OBL is dead, and I think he is, I'm quite comfortable about it. I realy don't care about "how" it was done either. I was simply posing the question regarding the legality of the whole scenario. So many have poked accusing fingers at GTMO, how is this any different....
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are thousands rotting in prisons at taxpayer expense that have no redeeming social value. I would be quite comfortable with child molestors, rapists, and murderers being dealt with in the same fashion.
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  tony0724posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If so, does that make his assasination a US Sanctioned murder?
  
  He murdered almost 3000 innocents which was sanctioned by him. I have absolutely no problem with him being disposed of.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, I'm simply posing the question. OBL, if nothing else was the "inspiration" behind 9/11. Where did he come from? Who created him? We created OBL through bad foriegn policy. We need to correct that issue. It's time to stop focusing on the symptoms and get to the core issues. 40 years of bad foriegn policy has brought us to where we are today.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you ask: "Was Bin Laden's Assasination Legal?"
  Why should anyone give a crap! Hmmmm?
  Qwark
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The OP that you QUOTED explained WHY. Did you not read it? HMMMMM?
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  CJ: yep I read it and, personally, who cares?
  The "cretin" was taken out! Period!
  Life goes on...:
  Qwark
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your answer
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YW...:
  Qwark
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  ediggityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it was "legal":
  
  Holder was under a second day of oversight questioning on Capitol Hill on Wednesday; Tuesday he was questioned by the House Judiciary Committee.
  He told the committee the raid was "entirely lawful and consistent with our values."
  "Let me make something very clear: The operation in which Osama bin Laden was killed was lawful," Holder told the senators. The raid "was justified as an action of national self-defense" against "a lawful military target."
  
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  Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What imminent threat did Osama pose to the U.S.?
  
  Does Qaddafi fall under the same scenario, it is obvious that NATO is trying to murder a foreign leader?
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  ediggityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't know, but I do know OBL met the criteria to be placed on the Military Target List.
  
  Biggest difference, Qaddafi is the leader of a country, OBL was just a terrorist.
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  Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  His demise was absolutely justified. However I would not want Pakistani commandos to perform a similar operation in the U.S.
  What bothers me is ignoring Pakistans sovereignty, and lying to them about our intentions.
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  ediggityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There was no lying. The POTUS made it clear that if there were/and still are terrorists in Pakistan, and we know where they are located, we will get them.
  
  You don't have to worry about the first part of your comment, because the US doesn't harbor terrorist suspects.
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're kidding right?????? Ever so a search of some of the other Muslim terrorists who have been wanted, only to find out they were handed visas into our country by our own CIA? We certainly do harbor terrorists when it's to our own ends......we just try to keep it from becoming public knowledge.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  9/11 hi-jackers were trained here! They were partying on Abramoff's yacht!
  
  red flags? warning bells? NAAHHH....we KNOW it was Bin-Laden!
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  Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Henry Kissinger!
  
  http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html
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  ediggityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well why didn't you say you had a credible source provided by the:
  
  DIRECTOR
  WORLD BUREAU OF TRUTH
  DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE
  
  ????
  
  Does those claims come with a foil hat?
  
  He's wanted for WAR crimes, not terrorism.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly...they are going around killing anybody they choose!!
  And since I believe Bin-Laden went years ago..In wonder who it was they had to kill in that compound?
  
  And Ghaddafi....better off if he left office? Says who?
  
  Anything can be justified now. All you have to say is "terrorism", or Tyrant....while ignoring a whole host of other terrorists and tyrants, many of whom we support!
  
  The War on Terror opened the door to all sorts of abuse.....no going back now.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In a war one does not need to pose an imminent threat. The enemy's leadership and other components of his command and control are always legitimate targets in war.
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  2besureposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The better question is, was 911 legal?
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And an even better question is are you better than the terrorists or just the same?
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  sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When "we" start acting like "they" do, then "we" are no better than "them".
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That was implicit in my question, being from the UK as I am
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  sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL...I know, I was reiterating.
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oops,
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure that's a better question. The answer is obvious.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if it is legal to assasinate Bin Laden for the deaths and terror he has orchastrated then it should be just as legal for teh nations affected by Americas terrorism and killings to assasinate most of the recent American presidents.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
This an estimated cost of the murder of bin ladin: $1,188,539,516,316.
The FBI never charged bin ladin with the 9/11 attacks. They have said there is no evidence. What is the evidence: only confession tapes since shown to all have been fakes. Legality is what the powers that be say it is.
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  tony0724posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As far as I am concerned it was money well spent. Now show them all the photos and video and let al queda know if they keep it up the following one in the chain of command is next !
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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stclairjackposted 13 years ago
its alot like asking many of us ill folk if its illeagal to do some of the things we do,..... dont care,.... i dont bother myself with adhearing to laws that i find moraly wrong or less than logical,...

in re to killing bin laden,.... dont damned care,.. its done and im perfectly happy with it.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "in re to killing bin laden,.... dont damned care,.. its done and im perfectly happy with it."
  
  I tend to agree with that. My question was realy directed at those who have ridiculed the Bush Admin for their role regarding GTMO. I see no difference in the two issues. Just wondering where the outrage is.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  moral relativeism is the bigger problem,.... we tend, as americans, and more over as lax 21st century human beings, to moraly jutify what ever it may be that we want,... we've spent centuries building up our intelect only to use it to build our collective ego,... if we want it, we will justify it, explain it, or hire a lawyer/schollar to do it for us,... its called moral relativism,....
  
  JP2 had great deal to say about this sbject as does B16, and if you can look beyond the religious implications and see the overall social effects of this practice, its easy to understand how we, as a people, got to where we are today.
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  DTR0005posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am more of less liberal in my thinking and views, and I really could have cared less if they cut him open and fed him to pigs. How's that for brutal honesty?
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  geeeee,..... dont hold back er nuthin! ha!..... loved it!
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Killing Gaddafi and his family is an international war crime. Before long it will be like Mexico and the mafia of old, and they'll all be killing each other restaurants with drones.
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Jaydeusposted 13 years ago
Soon the US will be Nazi Germany, maybe not as extreme, no genocide(we did that to our Native Americans already), but it seems that a certain sect of our nation's political parties are trying to institute a fascist veil over our eyes when it comes to world affairs. Propaganda such as, ''Americans are entitled to the world because it's God's will'' and American media coverage of outside-of-USA events are outrageously biased.
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  tammybarnetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We have our brand of genocide besides the Native Americans, Hitler wanted rid of the Jews, the powers that be in the US are using policy to kill the poor and disabled, slowly, not sure which is more humane?
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As to the media coverage.......another Operation Mockingbird??? I think the operation never really ended.
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theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago
Was the murder of 3000 people on 9/11 legal
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  Jaydeusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure wasn't.
  it is amazing how wargames relating to hijacked planes had our Air Guard hundreds of miles over the ocen at the time, and how NORAD was undergoing ''maintenance'' or some bs like that just an hour before the planes were ''hijacked''.
  OR
  How all those planes were nowhere near capacity for an ordinarity over-booked route.
  OR
  I could go on.
  Point is it doesn't matter what laws there are, the US gov is always above it.
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not. I was making a broader point. Specifically those who oppose GTMO, don't seem to be extending that logic to the killing of Bin Laden. It seems that the evidence brought forth through the "Court of Public Opinion" was so compelling that it supercedes the law of the land. It's one of lifes cases of "The ends justified the means".
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  tammybarnetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually the legality was my first thought, I do wish he had been brought back and prosecuted for the whole world to see, that even after the horrible crimes he committed we still believe in a fair trial. That being said I am still glad he is dead!
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Okay, last time I checked the FBI's Most Wanted- Osama was wanted "Dead" or "Alive", either or. There isn't any difference than any other mass murderer.
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Reality Bytesposted 13 years ago
It does set a precedent for future assassinations. Under what jurisdiction could it be deemed illegal, not in this country as the action did not occur in the U.S.

Although I feel it was a proper military mission, I am a bit hesitant of any leader having the power to order the killing of another human being. This is not a negative on our president but a general statement of leaders all together.

edit: What if Kim Jong Il of North Korea ordered the assassination of one of our politicians because the person has been deemed guilty of war crimes in North Korea?
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed. It's definitely a moral delima....
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Machiavelli would be very amused at the talk of legality and morals here,... what you can get away with is what is deemed to be right in the end,.... the victor gets to write the history of the events,... only in america do we engage in such self loathing that the vanquished get to write the history of thier own demise,.... else why would we still be waving reble flags,.... seems a strange way to sooth the tormented collective concience to me,... but when you considder that a self ritious people gave up humility abd confession generations ago,... its no surprise.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All great points, none of which were lost on me. I just wanted these issues to come forward. We all need to become aware of the real issues at hand.
  
  Compare the war on terror to a slaughter house. I love steak, however do I realy want to get up close and personal with the process? Most of us would not.
  
  When we insist on having the details of our National Security brought forward under the guise of "Transparency" we find our selves in the moral delima that "Moral Relativeism" Creates. So we begin to slip into the "Self Loathing" exercise you describe. Politicians also mix in a pinch of finger pointing because it's just good politics.
  When you encounter an exceptional advisary as we have, they will use your good intentions and your guilt against you. Which only leads to another moral delima...its a catch 22. ONLY IF YOU LET IT BE. Sometimes we just have to decide to be winners, not whiners.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, what if you get the wrong adversary?
  
  What if the whole thing is an elaborate charade to protect the guilty?
  
  What if you just aint buyin the status qou?
  
  THEN, you are in an alternate universe, and what these people are doing all makes sense in a weird sort of way:
  
  Win at all cost. Lie, cheat, steal...it doesn't matter.
  
  The end justifies the means, and the end is what they tell you it is.
  
  You have a problem with that?
  
  There's always the loony-bin, or we can trump up some charges against you.
  Many ways to keep you in line.
  
  USA USA USA
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well there ya go. Bless your heart.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I love what if games.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No--you love the status qou.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not that i consider kid rock to be a wise old sage by any stretch of the imagination,... however,.... "f__k what and tell if to suck my d__k" ... comes to mind here,....
  
  in the end, the fellow left standing is the one that gets to pass judgement on the entire scenario
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, that fellow just had the least humanity and soul.
  
  Congrats while he stands alone in all his egotistical, bloody glory.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in fact, i'm bound to point out here that those who would hold darwin up as the model for human understanding,.... while pointing out every human failing of christianity,... are the very people sighting law and moral code rather than embracing the "survival of the fittest" notion that the theory of evolution seems to propose,.... margaret sanger is a hero to those would hold court to condemn those who hunt and kill mass murderers, based entirely on the idea of technical international legality,.... seems all to convenient,... like the independant libberated woman who still expects the man to pick up the check and hold the door,.... just seems two faced.
  
  that oughta insight some cerebral jousting! ha!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cerebral jousting?
  
  What are you talking about?
  
  This is a Bin-Laden thread.....he believes Osama did 9/11: Hence, he is part of the status qou.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well,... i do remember some rather mezmerizing footage of a man named bin laden claiming to have been the mastermind behind the 911 plot,... i do remember seeing him take all the credit he could heap onto himself for that event,... i do remember him looking rather over-joyed at the colapse of the towers,...
  
  and if it turns out that he was meerly a snivling coniving pretender that jumped in qiuck to steel glory that did not rightfully blong to him,..... and let us also assume that he continued to take credit for this event for the last 9 years, despite knowing personaly that he had nothing to do with it,...... perhaps he needed attention because his mother didnt breast feed him,.... or needed to be empowerd because his father spanked him as a child,......well,.... careful what you wish for stupid,.... hope you like the end results
  
  this is how sadam got canned for weapons of mass distruction that he never had but continued to thump his chest over for years,..... if you cant cover the bet,.... you better not bluff in a high stakes poker game,.... scooter!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where did you see that, Murdoch News?
  Cause I read this;
  "We know this: Bin Laden always denied any ties to 9/11 and, in fact, has never been charged in relation to 9/11. He not only denied involvement, but had done so, while alive, 4 times and had vigorously condemned those who were involved in the attack.
  
  This is on the public record, public in every free country except ours." --Gordon Duff
  
  And, didn't the FBI say there was no evidence linking OBL to 9/11??
  
  Did you not ever hear of PNAC, whose own papers said they needed a Pearl Harbor type event to happen? WHO was in the gvt at the time this all went down? PNAC members! Cheney, Pearl, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby...that I can call to mind...I know there are more. can google it..maybe later.
  
  The point is, you believe it was Bin-Laden, I don't. And I'm not alone.
  So,while you are celebrating a victory, I am crushed that the perps walk again! And really walk this time....like finito.
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Even if you take 9/11 out of the equation, there are quite a few other international crimes perpetrated by al-quaida (or at least credited to/blamed on al-quaida).
  Was bin Laden not the head of al-quaida?
  I think I understand your point, LMC. That the domestic terrorists responsible for 9/11 are getting a free pass (and some even wanting to heap credit on them for this assassination).
  But in and of himself, do you or do you not agree that Osama bin Laden was an evil enough dude that it was right to capture him "dead or alive"?
  
  Al Quaida Destruction Timeline
  
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/ns/ … _al-qaida/
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot even thinks that much MM...1st we love him, then we hate him. He's our friend, next our enemy...
  But Obama went after him SPECIFICALLY for 9/11.
  That's what everybody is saying...It's over--we're avenged, now we can be at peace...
  
  And in my mind, they are spitting on the graves of those who died, because the real perpetraitors are still out there, living it up actually...like really really well. On our dime at that.
  ...BUT, that is only my feeling--I can't fault people for feeling the way they do.
  It just burns me--a sharp burning pain...that they will never be held to account, and this has made it just about iron clad that it will be so.
  
  To say I am dis-heartened is an understatement. After 10 years---I hoped for something different. Now all that awful stuff they did will be canonized instead of rejected.
  
  I'm on the outskirts of civilization (Robbie Robertson) on this one.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine that. You and OJ Simpson, still out there looking for the REAL killers.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you can answer my question then anon....since no one else has bothered to:
  
  Since Bin-Laden was the master-mind, how did he get Cheney to call NORAD and tell them to stand down on the morning of sept. 11, 2001??
  
  And why did Bush work so hard to try and prevent any investigation into it?
  
  And why did he and Cheney testify, but not under oath?
  
  And how does a plane hitting a building make it go into free-fall?
  And why did the owner of building 7 say on National tv, "we pulled it"?
  
  Just a few of the many questions I have.
  
  many many many many many many many.....my mommy taught me 1+1=2
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have a friend you would like. He is a conspiracy nut too. He and I go round and round. He, as you, believe that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and many others are responsible, along with the Mossad (http://www.mossad.gov.il/Eng/AboutUs.aspx), in destroying the World Trade Center Complex.
  
  He is my best friend but he is still a kook.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  actualy, i prefer mathews and madow on msnbc,... i'm reasonably certain that i saw said fotage on a chanel other than fox noise,... i'm a confirmed if EXSTREEMLY frustrated republican,.... but i will not drink the koolaid at fox,...... cureently i'm flabbergasted that george w has declined an invite to ground zero w pres obama this week,... so bashing my own team is not unfamiliar country for me,...
  
  all that said,....
  
  those who claim some inside conspiracy re; the twin towers are no less twacked out of thier freeking heads than those who rant about birth cirtificates,.. or muslim faith,... or elvis sightings,... or little green men at area 51,.... all of these folks sound about as brilliant as the lady in the moo moo dress and hair curlers trying to explain what the tonado sounded like,....
  
  bad people do bad things,.... because they can,... and they will do so untill someone stronger than them makes them stop,.... period.
  
  "evil is not perpatrated upon man because a few vile men would commit such acts,.... but because thousands of good men would do nothing to stop them."
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  must say, i like the winners vs whiners statement,.... however,.... i do indeed butcher my own beef,... as well as my own pork,... but i make it a personal mission to always ask nothing of others that i do not rquire of myself,... we are not meerly disconected from our food sources, we are, as a nation, disconected from our government, our familys and our world as a whole,.... in the internet age, when the world is propsed to be getting smaller,.... it is indeed getting very VERY small,... we do not think outside ourselves,... our world has developed an edge that ends at our stomachs and cell phones,... and we seem, as a people, to have no desire to walk out of the comfortable little cocoons that we have insulated ourselves in.
  
  it is only when big things happen that crack the shells we all live in that we look beyond ourselves,... the media was shocked and fascinated with the crowds that gathered at the news of bin ladens death,.... perhaps they thought we had forgoten how to actualy assemble phisicaly as a crowd rather than burn up facebook.
  
  i dare say, that 40 years from now, people will tell thier grandchildren about the night they stood in the streets in front of the white house and chanted USA,... they will probubly even tell of how it was not out of hatred, but instead born out of pride, and relief,.. and community,.....
  
  they will not re-tell the harowing tale of how they burned up the internet tweeting and facebooking about the night they were tweeted about the news,... guarentee it.
  
  i'm one of those that prefer the whole world see and continue to see images such as bin ladens body,.... the enemy should see it and fear that fate,... and our comfortable citizenry should have a full understanding of what it takes to deffend the freedom they enjoy,... grim buisness that of the warior,... and it sgould be understood,.... not sanitized for a desensitized electorate.
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  tammybarnetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wow, beautifully said! However let me say this, There was a terrible video awhile back of one our soilders having his head cut off! Now I never watched that and wouldn't want to, I am as careful of what I put in my brain as what I put in my body , but I believe being desensitized in that direction is just as dangerous!
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i remember several videos of that sort of thing,.... we are constanty worried about inlaming the senses of these senseless people,... we are disgusted that a people and their faith would endorse practices such as beheadings,... these people are no better than dogs,... they should be delt with acordingly,... if that makes me in-sensitive,... or in tollerant,.... then so be it!
  
  i will not tollerate cruelty, i will not ng suffer a fool,... i do not endorse nor endure unjustified hatred,....
  
  if this makes me prejudiced,... then i will wear that label with pride,... i am very prejudiced aginst stupidty.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I to have raised my own poultry and pork. The point was that MANY of the US today couldn't do that. Many don't even like to think about it. Yet they are more than happy to enjoy their steak while ignoring the proccess. Compare that to this rabid interest in National Security. There is this demand for full disclosure right down to the "in the weeds" details. Most don't have the stomach for it. Not to mention it's not good for security to make public every detail.
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agree. I'm one who thinks Wikileaks is treason.
  
  This whole preoccupation with the minutae of national security (even down to the "security" issue of Obama's birth certificate) is akin to Americans clinging to their guns and religion.
  We have so much in our lives that is out of control (read: ECONOMY) we tend to grasp at something -- anything -- that will make us feel more in control or at least keep us from thinking about the real issues.
  During the Great Depression people went to movies (depicting glamorous wealthy couples, dancing girls,etc.) as an escape. Now we just end up infighting with each other on the HP forums!
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. We have gone so far as to "OUT" a CIA agent. It's crazy. The GTMO issue was taken too far. We never needed to know.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  MM, since you brought up the "Birther" issue.
  "(even down to the "security" issue of Obama's birth certificate)"
  
  Did you realize that the Obama Admin has created a potential ID Theft issue in Hawaii by releasing a controlled document in an editable manner?
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  about wanting to know the details..........Perhaps if the American people hadn't been lied to about so many issues over the last 60 years, there wouldn't be so many of us asking for proof of truth telling. Many of us have children. We know when our kids aren't being quite truthful about their actions and their reasons for them. And we call them out on it. We don't stop asking about everything they do until trust is regained.
  
  It is the job of every American to question and monitor their government. To not do so, shows a lack of appreciation for the freedoms afforded. It is our job to guard the democracy for which our forefathers paid so dearly.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  agree compleetly with you,... most do not have the stomach for such things,.. most in fact, as you have pointed out, do not hav the stomach for where thier chicken nugets come from,...
  
  what we lack is trust and faith and respect for those that do have the stomach for it,.... the faith and trust wrecked by those who woul abuse it in the past,... the respect destroyed by those who would capitalize on it in the present with no reguard to the future.
  
  no worries here,.. i may ramble at times,.. but rest assured you and i.... and even mighty mom,... ar in agreement here.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure I would call this an assassination. He was a wanted criminal. Both Presidents Bush and Obama made it clear that he would eventually be captured or killed.
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  Reality Bytesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand the orders, by definition it is an assassination.
  
  assassinate = to murder (a person, esp a public or political figure), usually by a surprise attack
  
  I am not trying to imply that it was erroneous, I am simply stating that in actuality this could lead to abuse of power.
  
  Again, this is not a dig on Obama as I know it was Bush that actually had the standing order "Wanted dead or Alive".
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand your point and agree with it. I'm just pointing out that the official story is that they went in to capture or kill him, with capture being the first choice.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
"I'm not sure I would call this an assassination."
He was never legally charged with a crime.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right, but according to the WH he resisted capture and was shot. I'm not saying I'm not skeptical about that, but it isn't much different from a police officer shooting an uncooperative suspect during an arrest.
  
  You have to admit, the men going in to capture him were faced with an incredibly dangerous and unpredictable situation, so shooting him rather than struggling to capture him could conceivably have been the safest choice.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Capturing and putting him on trial for weeks on end was not the safest thing for the American public either.
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  tammybarnetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True, but still would have been the right thing to do in my opinion.
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Donna Suthardposted 13 years ago
In our world, according to our leaders, killing is acceptable, only if those in power say it is needed. Our leader has encouraged everyone to celebrate the killing of Osama bin Laden! Its strange, that his body was thrown into the sea..without really knowing what really went on.. we know our world is built on vengeance! His killing will only add to the fueling of more hatred towards our country, and someday were going to reap the effects of this type of hatred...
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We are always teaching our children in schools, and elsewhere that they must not hurt each other. All these young people that were celebrating Osama's death was amazing to see. on television. They were possessed by hatred..The young people of our country do not see good examples of leadership in our country. Killing is always killing. It would have been best if he had been captured, and that is true. He could have been brought to justice in another way. It was scary that Obama, the man that was given the Nobel Peace prize, was watching, on a feed, in the White House, the execution of Osama. We are known as imperialists in other countries, because we go in to other countries, and do whatever we want...
  I was more impressed with the Aumish people, when their children were executed, a few years back..They forgave the man who murdered their children..That was great courage on their part. Thats not an easy thing to do.
  I remember Ghandi . Ghandiwould fast, whenever violence erupted in his country. He was so beloved by the people of India, despite his non-violent postion.. His country finally won their freedom, from England..because of his efforts..Are we as a nation always doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past? Will violence always be our heritage? We have nuclear weapons in this world. These our dangerous times for us and for many other nations.It could take one zealot to wipe us all out..I would do everything in my power to try and make peace with all the nations across the world....Every great nation throughout history has taken a huge fall. We nearly wiped out our own indigenous people in our country, the Native Americans through violence, and this was their land first..
  Hitler stated, he got the idea of cleansing his country of the Jews, because of what the Americans had done to the Indians.. It was wrong what Osama did, and yes he needed to be brought to justice, but I'm afraid that some day, were going to reap what we sow...
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  Peter Owenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And what would your form of justice be seeing as how you didn't want Bin Laden killed? Prison- How would that be justice?
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Prison would be hell, for most people..Living without his freedom, would not have been pleasant for Bin Laden. He would have had alot of time to reflect on his actions..He would have had, to give up all his wives, children, material wealth and his so called power. There will be many more Bin Ladens to spring us!! . Actually he's free of all that now..Why did Osama dump his body so quickly into the ocean? What was covered up? There will always be doubt and questions how this was done...
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Osama...Obama...It is all the same...
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can STILL say that?
  
  Then Osama/Bush is all the same too.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. Here is the quote: Donna Suthard wrote:
  Why did Osama dump his body so quickly into the ocean?
  
  Obama had Osama's body dumped in the ocean (I suspect Osama did not contribute enough money to Obama's Presidential Library Fund).
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  whoops, thank you I needed that!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here's another one;
  
  "Beck just did it again!!! 2 days in a row he "slips" and says kill Obama instead of Osama."
  
  Well well....he's Baaaaaaaack. Back with his vicious talk that gives wacko's ideas.
  
  Naahhhhhh, nothing to see here. Why, just because a host with MILLIONS of fans says Kill Obama.....that is harmless right?
  
  Right.
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I heard about that! Talk about Freudian slips!!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I don't thinkg it was a slip at all. I think it was deliberate, as is all his shoot/strangle/douse with gasoline talk.
  Un-Believable to me that he is still allowed to broadcast.
  
  7 words you can't say, and KILL the president isn't on there.
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was married to someone who was a combat soldier, and many of them are deeply unhinged by their experiences..believe me, some of them nearly kill their families not only with words, but with actions.You have to be very calm when someone focuses on hurting someone else. you have to respond very carefully, to brainwashing of any sort.
  Its scary how mass media, plays into propaganda, and the encouragement of killing others.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I so agree!!
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  Peter Owenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious Donna, if you had been president on December 7, 1941, what actions would you have taken the next day?
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My father was stationed in Japan, during the 40's.. He loved Japan..Having lived with soldiers, first my father and my husband.. I learned to love them.. I knew both of them were tortured souls! I tried to understand why they behaved as they did.. I know people do horrible things, because they have never been loved..or felt loved. They have been taught badly and brainwashed. When you grow up in terror you learn quickly what not to do.. I yearned only for peace, as a teenager... I'm sure they would not have wanted to elect me President, because I would teach peace, love and forgiveness and we know that doesn't go over well with people..Teaching kindness and love is not considered a sign of strength in this world.
  I know the American army was aware that there would eventually be an attack, before the Japanese bombed America. I would have been working all along, trying to understand why they were upset with us? I would have prayed or meditated for an answer as to how to truly help them..I would listen to all sides, and try and seek help for those who are dangerous..We have a lot of mental illness in this world as we know..What is not love is a call for help.. I would not hurt another person physically, so I would be a poor candidate for President.. I do believe we must not allow another to physically hurt us..thats why I would a way to talk them out of hurting us or themselves.. I've practiced this method with violent people on many occasions and it worked for me...Compassion can calm down an angry person. As individuals we can make a difference.. Its how we deal with anyone. If we choose to get angry or give into paranoia or fear. then it becomes a learning failure...I believe we have a huge amount of people in this world who feel terrified. When people get frightened, they get dangerous..They cannot love anyone they fear...and they are afraid of America, just as we are afraid of them...
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  Donna Suthardposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i forgot the word (find). The correct sentence should read .. thats why I would find a way to talk them, out of hurting us or them.. sorry about the error.
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  Knightheartposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sn53Anon!
  
  ROFLOL!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wait, isn't Obama your hero now?
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Keep waiting. No. Um, no.
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  Jaydeusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The bin Laden's sure as hell contributed to Bush's failed Harken Energy Corp. when they had exclusive drilling rights in Bahrain.
  But Fox News won't discuss such business practice as Kingdom Holdings (Saudis like the bin Laden family) own the largest chunk of Fox News Corp's stock.
  Ever heard the phrase, ''Keep your friends close and your enemies closer''?
  How else would people be mass frightened into being so hateful of the Arabic people without a government's best weapon, the media.
  The powers that be know that restricting knowledge(Fox News doesn't know what the whole truth is) and keeping your followers divided(Dem/Rep) is the easiest way to control the world.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dodgy lot politicians.
  See Id be more worried about them ,than the Christians
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  Terri Meredithposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jaydeus--- have you hacked into my brain? You sure are giving voice to my exact sentiments.
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  Knightheartposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Had the SOB lived and been captured, I hope they would have put him in with Bubba and let Osama be his 'boy toy' for life! Ah...the reward from Allah..though Bubba was never a virgin!
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good Christian thought there!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can YOU tell me how Osama got Cheney to stand down NORAD?
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sn53Anonposted 13 years ago
I think the premise is all wrong. Al Qaeda has been at war with the United States for decades. We were too naive to recognize it until their second attack on the WTC complex succeeded. Killing enemy leadership in a war is not murder. It is not an assassination. They waged war upon us. We are responding with violent, military action.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
" They waged war upon us. We are responding with violent, military action."
Good point. When is a war a war? No war has ever been declared by the US congress. Seems more like the drug wars in Mexico to me.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree Congress authorized the use of force. They have also funded all of the war efforts. This is the form of a declaration of war the Congress has used for most of our wars.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  as the supreem court justice said of pornography,... "i may not be ble to define it, but i know it when i see it",......
  
  same aplies here,... war is war is war,... no declarations needed to point out what even a child could comprehend.
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Pearldiverposted 13 years ago
Ah... But WAS He Killed?

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/74531#post1617110
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
K - it's war my friend.
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
hmmmmmm

Interesting question...

... and perhaps a very lucrative court trial.

Just gotta try to find the 'victim' of this dastardly crime..

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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Keith Olbermann:
"So we'll be needing an explanation of how an unarmed BinLaden "resisted capture" enough to get his head blown off. And we'll need it NOW"

Then you can give proof that that was actually Bin-Laden.
Oh I forgot, DNA.
I heard Ron Paul on NPR today...damm that liberal station!
HE said, that dna could not have been tested and confirmed that quickly.

Funny--we go round and round for months about a birth certificate, and this is broomed.

You know what? I'm a "Deather". Is that what blow-hard (Limbaugh) is calling it? Someone on my local blog said that.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The problem with DNA is that it's only an exact match if you had a previous sample KNOWN to be OBL's DNA. They did not. That means that their results only indicate the sample provided from the raid was compared to a known family member. The "match" only indicates that the sample comes from someone in his immediate family. Now, since OBL was the ONLY child from one of his fathers many wives it could be narrowed down, IF you could locate and obtain his Mothers DNA. That hasn't happened.
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  tammybarnetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well now I think they are talking about a picture
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  ahorsebackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes supposedly Bin Ladens DNA was available from his extended family and my understanding is that we have had it for years.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, his sister was living in Boston.
  
  Enemy #1, most wanted, alleged doer of 9/11...and his sister is getting care in a Boston Hospital?
  
  Does not compute.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Any ex-friend of the CIA's sister........
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. My point is that so many in the viewing public have been trained to think "Proof Positive" when they hear "DNA RESULTS". This is simply not the case. Just wanted to make the point that the DNA results in the case of OBL simply indicates a fraternal connection between two samples.
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sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago
Well at least Goldstein is dead and won't be a threat to Oceania anymore.
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
Was it legal? According to who's laws? You or No one else can require justification for shooting the most wanted man in the world. There is a war going on ,remember ? A war against terrorism , a war waged by the free world against those who have no respect for law , order or civility.Does it do any good ? We will see. Nor should he have been brought back to trial here. A military trial would have been the right coarse of action. This has nothing to do with civilian law here or anywhere. Here's a question for you , Why did the U.S. give 150 billion dollars to Pakistan last year? We have to STOP supporting those who hate us.
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
OK Bin Laden killed, DNA test came back in one day,the control sample was just ,,,given up ? He was buried at sea,immediately so we'll have to take their word on it and Leon Pannetta is giving bs reasons why they may or might not be able to release a photo. Nobody smells BULLSHIT?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh plenty of people smell it modern, but you can't get past the USA USA USA long enough to matter.
  
  So funny--it was the exact same with Bushco. Couldn't be heard over the cries of USA USA USA.
  
  They will milk this to death, while the real perps will now white-wash all their evil deeds.
  
  It's already started...."Torture is good. We need it as a legal means of doing business."...and while we're at it, let's broaden it to include US prisons.
  
  Not to matter that it IS against the law....WAS against the law when they did it....eh, who cares?
  
  USA USA USA
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Knightheartposted 13 years ago
Illegal?...maybe. Justified?...absolutely!

Bin Laden, the SOB is gone and that is good! How legal was it to fly 2 civilian aircraft full of passengers into 2 huge buildings full of people killing thousands, and then brag about it? He should have been drawn and quartered at Ground Zero and his remains flushed down the sewer, but that would just pollute the rivers. GOOD RIDDANCE to him! He is getting justice from God and he will not get away with one evil thing!

God Bless America!!!!!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is how I feel about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Netanyahu, Barak, Pearl, Wolfowitz, Rice, etd etc etc....
  
  Where's my justice?
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
DNA was aquired through his family years ago ! His body buried at sea , good riddance !, Already the conspiracy freaks are looking for a movie deal. Where's Micheal Moore when you need him? This is nothing but the cleaning up of a mission taking way too long ,costing way too much ,and killing way too many patriots for those who don't care one way or the other ! Does it bother any of you that we gave 150 Billion [b] $ to Pakistan last year. Given to them by a Democratic President and congress?
I'm with Knightheart...
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't like any foreign aid going to anyone, unless it's for humanitarian aid.
  And then turn around and tell US--sorry--we can't afford anything for our own country.
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
The point is the whole dna thing could be faked, like many bin Ladin tapes, Iraq had yellow cake uranium, weapons of mass destruction, mobile biological weapons factories and on and on.
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sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago
Maybe the CIA got his DNA sample when they were training him back in the late 70s-early 80s.
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good point.
  I get so confused. It's like Oz -- people come and go so quickly here.
  Was that when Iran was our friend? Or our enemy?
  And Iraq -- friend or foe?
  What about Saudi Arabia? Must have been our buddy if our CIA was training bin Laden (I forget -- what year was he kicked out of Saudi Arabia again?)
  
  I was going to say, what happened to the good old days when we knew who was an ally and who was not. But come to think of it, it's kinda always been this way. Russia comes to mind...
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  sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Supposedly it was when the Afghan mujahideen were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.
  Allegedly Bin Laden was getting training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan fighters.
  When the United States stopped all aid, the fighters and Osama got pissed at the US because they felt the US hung them out to dry.
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  Shil1978posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They always considered the United States as their enemy. I think Osama and his ilk had a huge problem that the US troops were allowed in Saudi Arabia - their "holy land." Of course, they had other issues and wanted to bring back the days of Islamic supremacy - prob take the world back to the middle ages.
  
  The Soviet invasion gave reason for the US to team up with shady mujahideen characters, including Osama. I suppose his money would have really helped in the fight against the Soviets. Once the Soviets were defeated, Osama and Co. thought if they could defeat one super power, why not the United States - the other "infidel" nation."
  
  Guess he didn't factor there was really no comparison between the Soviets and the Americans. It was frankly a stupid, stupid move to support/finance the 9/11 attack on his part. Some from Al-Qaeda leadership thought it was stupid to awaken the sleeping Americans and rather a better bet to build up their capabilities under the radar.
  
  I guess the world has to thank Osama and Al Zawahiri that they were stupid enough to not think far ahead and basically shot themselves in the foot. I don't think Al-Qaeda will ever be the force it once was. There may of couse be lone wolf attacks in the name of avenging Osama's killing, but Osama has quite literally dug his own grave and quite possibly of Al-Qaeda's in the long term.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nicely put.
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  sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Larry King: What was the circumstance under which you met him (OBL)?
  
  Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States: This is ironic. In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United -- Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He (OBL) came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists.
  Isn't it ironic?
  
  KING: How ironic. In other words, he came to thank you for helping bring America to help him.
  
  PRINCE BANDAR: Right.
  
  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ … kl.00.html
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Uh oh.
What if the DNA was faked and that's not bin Laden with a bullet in his head resting in Davy Jones' Locker?
Does that mean there will be more fake confessions?
If there ARE more fake confessions, is it proof of ... anything???

Did anyone question the legality of taking Saddam Hussein out?
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sadam, was arrested, tried, convicted and executed by HIS Government.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not to mention the legality of bombing the Twin Towers
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  sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  again - Saddam/Twin Towers - no connection
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, just pointing out how useless the use of the term'legality' is
  
  (Tip toes out)
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brimancandyposted 13 years ago
This is no different then George Bush's decision to invade Iraq with the original excuse that Bin Laden and Saddam were part of the 911 attacks. While they waved the whole fear of never found weapons of mass destruction, where hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Then they found out that they were wrong, Saddam was executed, and a good portion of his family was killed, over a plan that was bought and sold to America over oil.

Then we want to discuss the legal issue of a terrorist being killed by the government that has us stuck us in never ending conflicts over what they want people to believe is right? Why bother?
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Peter Owenposted 13 years ago
I can't see how they could have faked any of this. The risk of Bin Laden showing up on another video next week is just too great and there would be calls for Obama's impeachment.
What if it were faked without Obama's knowledge? Can't see this either since every involved head would roll.
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  brimancandyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing happened to Bush after he justified attacking Iraq over the never found weapon's of mass destruction bullshit. If it turns out that Bin Laden is still alive, or has been dead for years, as some people are saying. It will all go over as a case of mistaken identity, and nothing will happen.
  
  Remember that our government only answers to themselves, otherwise Bush and Reagan would both have been imprisoned. Reagan for the whole Iran Contra thing, and Bush for invading a country over a lie.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Funny--I heard their motto was: "By deception shall you wage war"

And you did not answer any of my questions either...you should be able to. Any American who claims Bin-Laden was the mastermind behind 9/11 should!

JUST one: How did he get Cheney to stand down NORAD? This is CRUCIAL, as had he not done that, those hi-jacked planes would have been intercepted.

But dammit, that leads to another question....how do you go to a flight school and say I want to learn how to fly a plane, but not land it?
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just have to laugh. Excuse me.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  PNAC!!!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjGN-9Rj … re=related
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.awitness.org/journal/septemb … ddown.html
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGI5BmNd … re=related
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
This happens all of the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp … ature=fvwp

http://www.rense.com/general45/911.htm
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What was in building 7?
  
  "Built in 1985, it was formerly the headquarters of the junk-bond firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, which contributed to the Savings and Loans collapse, prompting the $500-billion taxpayer-underwritten bailout of the latter 1980s. At the time of its destruction, it exclusively housed government agencies and financial institutions. It contained offices of the IRS, Secret Service, and SEC."
  
  http://www.wtc7.net/background.html
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
One thing I love about the forums is the entertainment value , Many here would question there own mother telling them "IT was really Bin Laden" , None of this really matters at this point , it's done ! Do any of you remember the name of the first soldier who was decapitated and dragged around the streets of Bagdad after being burned Or the reporter who recieved the same , No , I didn't think so. Without lookng it up first please! Do you remember the last American soldier killed in Viet Nam? Or the Number of soldiers killed in Korea ? How many of you really enjoy your overuse of unmolested freedom of speach ? Or the fact that you didn't pay off your student loans and didn't end up in jail. One of the biggest problems with Americans today , we don't love our neighbors and hate our enemies enough. But we sure do love to play "kick the can" with our freedoms.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. There is great benefit in learning how to hate. It sounds counter intuitive, but it's benneficial
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our freedoms were taken away for this so-called war on terror....as if they meant nothing!
  And you say it's over?
  Not for me....my freedoms were taken away, and for what?
  So a bunch of stuck-up chicken-hawk greed-balls can get rich off war and slaughter?
  
  NO THANK YOU.
  
  YOU think it's over because you think they just killed Bin-Laden, who you think is the mastermind behind 9/11.
  
  I think its all BS, so nothing is over for me. AND, I've been hearing this BS for 10 years, and nothing ever changes, but the players.
  
  The game still remains the same.
  
  We'll see how you feel when the next batch comes,of the freedoms they have to take away "for your own good".
  
  Lieberman and Specter are working on it as we type.....yep. the Internet is NEXT. Or actually--I'm sure the part about monitoring us is already there....from along time ago. Another one of those "for our own good" things. Now they just have to work on the information we get to share.
  
  I can hear my dad's voice now....."Why are you so cynical?"
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Williamjordanposted 13 years ago
Why do people ask these kind of question was it legal to hijacked three airplanes and fly into buildings. Is it legal for a six year old to have to be patted down body searched. Bin Laden is just one man who has interfered in the lives of millions. Bin Laden choose his own deminse and has made all Americans lives a little harder to digest daily. To Hell with Bin Laden. That's what I have to say about it shoot the bastarded again...
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  sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Remember, although there may be plenty of reasons to approve of the assassination of OBL, 9/11 is NOT one of them . BushAdmin has admitted multiple times that they were not able to make any concrete connections between OBL and the 9/11 events and the FBI/DOJ never charged OBL for the crime.
  
  Only pointed out because it was really sad to watch how speculation fueled american opinion in that time period and its even worse now that years later basic facts are assumed to be true that were never proven. The OBL/9-11 connection will be parroted forever Im sure.. ah whatever
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  sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, 9/11 is never mentioned....
  
  "Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."
  
  http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
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Reality Bytesposted 13 years ago
What puzzles me is this.
1. We are not at war with Pakistan!
2. We did not have permission from Pakistan to complete the mission.
3. If a criminal wanted in Pakistan found their way to the U.S., would it be appropriate for Pakistani commandos to do the exact same thing as us?
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
If America , and probably America alone , has declared "war' on terrorism , then the domestic laws don't really matter ,do they , If this were declared a criminal act within the US jurisdiction then he would have been tried domesticly but for what then , Mass murder , Johnny Cochran and Mr Shapatin could have defended him at you're expence , probably pleaed in down to a misdemeaner and said , "But the O. J.s Glove don't fit him either "! He got exactly what he deserved , hands down . In the beginning Bush said , "If they are not with us , then they are against us!" To heck with Packistan ,They are almost as cushy with OSB as our pacifists here are to him. The only rellevant laws here are the Geneva Convention. And terrorists don't even stand by them.
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NOTICE ; All of the above is oppinion only of very narrow and small minded people , who have no expertise in Law , domestic, military or foriegn[international] , no security level clearances , no experience either in war , law or execution precedures of either.. Only conspiracy nuts may be held liable for any and all liabilities stemming from or in aformentioned statements........Ha.
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  ediggityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And you know this how?
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay. For roughly 15 years I held a compartmented top secret clearance. I attended the Foreign Internal Defense Course. I am familiar with the law of land warfare. I could go on about my current activities but prefer to maintain my anonymity.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"The only rellevant laws here are the Geneva Convention. And terrorists don't even stand by them."

My point exactly.
Israel ignores the Geneva Convention, and we support them.
In Bahrain, they were shooting protestors and we did nothing.

Back in the 90's a woman named Eileen Prose had a radio show here in Boston...
This was when HW Bush first mentioned the New World Order...a 1,000 points of light.
He said, "There will come a time when Americans will salute the blue-hats (United nations)."--NATO same thing?
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
Was it legal? or Did it even happen? Burial at sea and No Pic for you! OK,,,, more BBBBBbullshit
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
We support almost every nation on the map! Isreal is just one. I agree we support them too much. Listen , we only enforce laws of the US , and try to influence , sometimes in the wrong ways , the laws or actions of other nations. The acts against US and any actions we take in the world are not regulated by US domestic law. Period . Guantanimo ; foriegn soil ! Iraq ;the same . How do any acts on foriegn soil , have to be justified to you or anyone here , acording to domestic law? Almost all of this is by act of war or by act of terrorism . The problem I see here is that if you are on "our" side it's ALL justifiable . If you want to call America a terrorist and you defend the other side ,.......well here's your sign!
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
That's a bunch of crap and called Pigeonholing. "Either your with us or against us" right? Same as "Anti-semite" or Racist. You can blindly trust your government, but I don't, Want proof ,,,http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL … woods.html

just look at the state of our country now.
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seanorjohnposted 13 years ago
Probably not legal. But killing one man is preferable to invading Iraq and Afghanistan and killing thousands. Wish that hadn't happened. I don't gloat at his death but, I certainly shed no tears for him.
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qwarkposted 13 years ago
I'm rotfl at all these "silly" responses............:
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
No proof , Oh my , like you think its really going to come to you ? You should have a little faith in your country my friend. What justification or proof do you deserve ? Blood on your hands? Join the Seals. Other than that , believe the people you vote for !
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "What justification or proof do you deserve ?"
  
  That says it all right there.
  
  Just pay your taxes and accept everything they do.
  
  Faith in gvt is not a given, it needs to be earned!
  
  The IDF shot an American kid in the head...point blank, and we did nothing. But boy--we sure got us some Saddam and fake Bin-Laden.
  Faith in what?
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/04 … alse-flag/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/04 … en-corpse/
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
Lovemychris, Huh? I am all knowing of all things patriotic, My eyes are open to the truth , Come on now stand for something .....or fall for anything! Have faith man!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was standing for something. I was firmly on Team Obama...
  Until he looked in the camera and gave Bushco a total pass on 9/11, Iraq, torture, rendition, Haliburton, lies, spying on us....everything.
  When he said we have avenged 9/11....he lost me.
  But, then again...he gained a lot more!
  
  Sorry- it took a long time, but I can't support someone who protects criminals, and sells the same BS story they do.
  
  That's the problem with some of you...you think loving your country means USA USA USA, no matter what.
  
  Not to me it doesn't. Patriotism means wanting your country to be a righteous country...something you can be proud of. We can't even admit we have people who are above the law.--they can do whatever they please, while lecturing the rest of us about the Constitution.
  
  I have faith in a higher power...and they all have to answer to it...as do I.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Joan of Arc said it was hard to tell whether the voices she heard were from Heaven or Hell.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  best point of this entire thread,.... well done
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I KNOW Bushco was from hell....so why would I want more of the same?
  Why would I want them let off the hook scott free?
  
  Sorry--some things don't take rocket science.
  Even as I know it's out of my hands. Only thing I can do is follow my conscience.
  
  And I'm pretty sure I know when it's from heaven or hell....it's that little feeling in your gut called intuition.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is what Joan of Arc said. She was pretty sure the voices in her head were from heaven. Others were not so sure.
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stclairjackposted 13 years ago
so many of us, myself included, obviously have way too much time/freedom/prosperity on our hands,...

we have the luxery of fantasizing about conspiracy thoeries,.. world orders,.. who's right and wrong,... in contest for a self defined moral high ground,...

we have the audacity to speek of loosing our freedoms and getting down troden by "the man",... going charlie sheen paranoid in these forums is a regular occurance,....

while in china, there is no freedom of speech to be infringed upon,... in china a womans right to choose as we call it has been compleetly reversed,... and thier genetic destiny lies in orphanages awaiting american adoptions,... in the same country, men and women are imprisoned for thier beliefes, where the death penalty is enforced more than any other place on earth,... resulting in a organ transplant rate second only to the united states,....

in north korea, there is starvation compared to our obesity,... starvation created and enforced by a leader that the entire world considders to be unballanced at best,...

in mexico there are deaths by the hundreds each day in drug wars that make our self proclaimed war on teror look like childs play,... these murders happen in the streets in front of children,.. to children,...

every hour of every day, all over this big blue and green ball, there are people living in the most squalid of conditions,... chasing not dreams, but instead the next meal for thier children,...

they seek not to out run the debt collector or the light bill, but instead, hope only to evade the nieghboring thug with a machete bent on butchering their entire village in the name of god/economics,...

makes our conversation here seem all the more luxurious.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We are helping the Chinese gvt....don't we buy all their goods? Profits us to pay cheaper, doesn't it?
  Where do you think those Mexican drug players get their guns? Hello!! They get them here, no problemo, muchas gracias NRA.
  N Korea---we've known about them for a long while...maybe you'd like us to intervene?
  
  And, in fact, all the people in dire straights economically are not helped in the least by our quest for world domination.
  We are 5% of the population, using 25% of the resources.
  
  Speak for yourself. I do not live in luxury, am struggling week by week.
  I don't want us to become like these other countries...which these corporate/Bagger types seem determined to do.
  
  And don't kid yourself. We are in a fight over God. Try getting a legally sanctioned medical procedure called abortion.
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  sn53Anonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you tried Planned Parenthood? The get government funding so the taxpayer has an (indirect) hand in paying for you to kill your children. Now I know that the federal government (wink, wink) does not pay for abortions. No, (wink, wink) the taxpayer money goes to paying salaries, rents, utilities, books, paper, pencils....everything except abortions. That way all of the donated funds can be used for infanticide.
  
  Not that I care, mind you.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah--your kind never does.
  
  Definition of the word N A S T Y
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lovemychris,... you missed the point entirely.
  
  i live in the rual midwest, drive a truck cause i need one not because its a fashion statement,.. the first hour of every work day covers the fuel cost to get there,... i live in a house i built with my own two hands,.. drove every nail, set every electrical box,... my husand of 14 years left for the blond with fake ones,... and now,.. when the child suport stops,.. i will have to sell my house because at my current rate of pay,.. i will not be able to make the mortgage payment he also left me with,... and there is no other job to go to,.. i live in the poorest county in the state, there are no jobs here... i'm ver lucky to have the one ive got,.... even if it provides no health coverage at all....
  
  even through all of what each of us go through,... never mind,...
  
  you missed the point entirely i'm afraid,... and trying to explain it urther is a waste of time i think,....
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah--I got it.
  We are lucky to be here, so shut-up and be grateful.
  
  NO! I'm not grateful that my own gvt killed 3,000 of my fellow citizens.
  
  And the next guy comes along and protects their murderous acts.
  
  I know you don't believe it, but I do.
  
  And the way you feel about Bin-Laden is the way I feel about Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc etc etc.
  
  So don't tell me to be grateful. How much worse can leaders be?
  
  YOU be grateful you live in such blissful ignorance.--From where I sit.
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b4u2posted 13 years ago
TO Jacksomething, who said we have to much time{I don't really}
But didn't our ancesters, fight for our freedoms to do so if we choice?
Those "others"plan ALL day on who they wanna KILL!
Would you rather we had more time to plan others Country's murders?
And wars and ... This was way too much time on this here question.
I'm going w/the guy who said, [who cares if it was legal]
I say-[Shall we get him an Attorney]?
The enemy ?I know only in America...
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i think you actualy got the point of my statement,... even if you dont reaize it right now,...
  
  yes,.... exactly,... in the grand scope of life,.... who gives a hairy rats ass if it was legal... he had it comming and i smiled when i heard it.
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  b4u2posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You scared me for a min,but just 1...Now they can stop the war over there. I feel so safe now.They got the amaginary Bin Lieden. Ahhh,O-bom-ya's friends I mean foes? They can make better plans now w/our troops comming home. Don't get me wrong I hate war & want them home to,but something dosen't feel right...I told all, that this had to be the next step,bringing our protecting home & helping O-bam-ass friends, as it always was intended.
  I knew this couldn't be ur intention[the legal thing] I had been hearing they wanted to sue us before. I wish..
  oh,well it dosen't matter what the American ppl want now dose it. I felt for a long time that I live in some foreign land & we/I want our simple homeland back the way it was before libs & other's contaminated my home sweet home .
  Sorry libs,but anything you agree w/Obama,had ppl turn away from yous] It was your choice to want him,I am no longer a dem because of this to. Dems too,they are not what it was meant to be anymore is why..
  Dose anyone else feel this way?And- When I go out & see ppl that don't quiet fit?here...I not comfortble w/this at all!
  Happy hubing and peace.
  St.cljk~Hey' I just read another post of Ur's,Wow-I thought you was a male & had no ideal you was going through all u are. Dam bastards,He'll get his u can count on it {the bitc!-! too! I'm all about fairness for all,but that hits hard. It's a lifes partenership & the efn-ho'spicks up after the stores been built & opened ,all the dust settles & bam!
  The prick dosent want to play w/you anymore. After the all the orders been sent & recieved the open for bussiness signs out...What to do it all over again? Whats the sense in that?
  More kids,another store{house] and back in the shit again?
  All for a fake nothing! He'll get fake when the real deal kicks in. So sorry hun,I will say a word up to the higher power for you...
  {;-_-"}*
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
I'm amazed at how many people have their heads in the sand and an American flag in their hand?

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

King Jr., Martin Luther
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
I think it's interesting that the gvt of Pakistan is denying everything the Obama adm is saying.....
They deny that they were hiding Bin Laden out.
People in the village are denying that it was even Bin Laden!!

I also find it interesting that neither pres's Bush or Clinton could make it to the ceremony today.

Something is extremely off here.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bush wanted out of the limelight (as he fears flying shoes)
  
  Clinton is busy flying to Pakistan to console bin Laden's wife in the hospital (he heard she was kinda cute)
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually...those Pakistani women are BEAUTIFUL!!
  Like blown-away gorgeous.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  are you implying that I am saying Bill Clinton would only date a bear-like woman????
  
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you can still get them, watch videos of a woman named Kay Griggs....she goes into the whole Monica thing....apparently, Linda Tripp and her hubby were alphabet-soup operatives.
  
  ughh, there's a bad memory....Linda Tripp.
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  DTR0005posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's GOLD lol
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ahorsebackposted 13 years ago
Lovemychris , I don't know if perhaps no ones ever given you any advice to help you deal with a country you do not seem to love. But ,here goes, I think maybe you live in the wrong country man! This will be my last post here, but I'll tell you one thing , If I hated this counry as much as the likes I've read here , I join the Taliban.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think Bushco did 9/11.
  That makes YOU the America-Hater in my eyes, because you don't want to pursue justice.
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Moderndayslaveposted 13 years ago
Maybe there are some that want the bullshit and lies to stop.What ever happened to freedom of speech? Only if you agree with it right ?
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Digsposted 13 years ago
What's legal have to do with it--it was justice. Courtrooms are not the only arena in which justice is served. Using a misplaced sense of "legal," I am sure there are those who would have Adolph Hitler sitting in a cell watching movies Friday night while eating schnitzels. What is legal and what is just can be two very different things. One is temporal and the other eternal!
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"I also find it interesting that neither pres's Bush or Clinton could make it to the ceremony today.

Something is extremely off here."
***
Maybe Obama is bucking them. Because it's hard for me to reconcile what he did, to the man I thought he was...
Here's what a blogger said:

"The bad guys invent the boogie man and blame him for their crimes. Then the new guy, who knows what they did but who has no direct avenue for outing them, kills the make believe boogie man and those who did the dirty deed/deeds can do nothing but pat him on the back for a job well done. As shitty as the whole deal is, I can't help but laugh.

It's not the outcome that we who seek and revere truth wanted, but it does hold potential. If there is a shred of decency in Obama who killed Osama, then one might see an avenue where he could more proactively get us out of the wars that he said he was going to get us out of. He just put a period at the end of the sentence for all those Americans who saw Bin Laden as the reason for the wars. He can now claim some kind of "victory" people need in order to justify our sacrifice, and end the wars without so much protest. That is IF he has a shred of decency.

Maybe I'm waxing optimistic here, but I see potential. After all, when the good guy wants to infiltrate the bad guys, he has to look and act like them."
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