Do you plan on voting to re-electing Obama for 2012?

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chanrothposted 13 years ago
Just happen to read the news today, 67% say they are voting for another candidate, 27% said yes and the rest is not sure. Therefore, what is your opinion, well you vote?
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol! Not sure? How can anyone be not sure??? Worse, how can ANYONE even consider sending this miserable failure of a president vack to office??? Who WANTS 4 more years of what he's given us???
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  Sourpussposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need my nik....
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  Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll make my decision when I know which candidates are actually on the ballot.
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  American Viewposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very true
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm voting for Alfred E. Neumann, as he has way more credibility than any of the other candidates.
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  erikjohnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think so. Lets face it. Who are our options? No great leader has yet to be brought to the table by either parties. In general I think he is a good respectable guy. It is not his fault that the GOP will do anything to hinder his success. The true problem of our political system is our party system. They will do anything their party tells them to do even if it is not right. So basically they are not looking out for the interest of the people. They are all about themselves and their party. We really need more parties. This 2 party system does not allow for progress.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our best option is anyone BUT Obama.
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  Erin LeFeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  didn't the first time, and NO WAY would I do it after seeing what he's done to the office.
  
  I have to agree with Longhunter.
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  Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OBAMA stands for One Bad A$$ Mistake America......so no i dont think so haha
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
Yes I will vote for Obama for another term.

And work like hell to get the Hooverites out!

Birchers, Baggers, what's the dif?
Either way, they'll have a tif
Always screaming, blue in face
No no no, a HUGE disgrace!

Will the world forgive us ever
For spitting on our one so clever?
All these people wrapped in rage
Believe me, Palin is no sage

We lucked out to get a one
Faithful father, friend and son
Hurts my heart to see them tear
Never honor shall they wear

They made their bed of hate and bile
From them, shan't recover for a while

So yes, my chanroth, it is true
Fight for Obama, I will do!

Me and Slimy.
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Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago
If Ron Paul isn't on the ballot, it really isn't worth voting.

The two parties are the same.
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  Sourpussposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Errr, isn't Paul a Republican?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "The two parties are the same."
  
  Evan, you know better than that. There are quite significant differences between the Democratic and Republican parties, especially now since the Tea Party has taken over the GOP.
  
  I'm voting and working for Obama as I did in 2008 even though I'm not at all happy with several of his policies and decisions as was well stated by Mulberry above.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mr. Deeds, you're right the two parties aren't the same but I fail to see where the Tea Party has been taken over the GOP. There are still far too many weak-kneed RINOs in the GOP.
  
  I'm not a member of the Tea Party but I can't stand a RINO either.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If Wrong Paul runs it will be as an independent. If he runs he will drain votes from the Republican. That may not make a difference because as Nero fiddles in Martha's Vineyard, Americans are getting a clearer notion of the Vulcan-in-Chief. John Anderson did not have a profound impact on Reagan's or Carter's numbers.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
well, there's certainly no one in the other camp that would get my vote.
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ThoughtSandwichesposted 13 years ago
Despite all the speculation (for speculation sake) I believe President Obama will receive the nomination nod. As such...of course I would vote for him.
@ Lady...I believe I answered your question. Far less stridently, perhaps, but answered.
@ Sour...see you on the campaign. Sweet lil tune.
@ Evan...way to cop out good sir. Rather a taking your marbles home affair...
@ Rebekah...I knew I was following you for a reason.
@ Quill...probably the wisest course.
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chanrothposted 13 years ago
@Quilli, very wise decision. I too the same. :-)
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iQwestposted 13 years ago
Seriously, the American people need to wake up!

We should be upset with Obama for not pushing to spend more when the economy needs it the most (infrastructure repair and the likes), for not fighting for a better health care bill, and for compromising time and again with a Republican party who bankrupted this country before he took office.

We should be upset with Obama for not standing more firmly behind the working class men and women in this country, for continuing billions of dollars of social welfare and entitlements for corporations like Exxon and GE (the overseas job creators).

We should be upset with Obama for talking about making reforms to social security while signing on for the continuation of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest among us.

We should be upset with Obama that we're still fighting a bankrupt war in Iraq and Afghanistan, spending over $1B a day between both the wars, all the while negotiating with a Congress crying about the debt ceiling despite nearly everyone of the same members having voted to raise it over and over again under their president.

In all, there's plenty to gripe about when we put the Obama presidency under the microscope and I will criticize where I see fit because I do take the time to vote.

With that said, when you look at the damage and destruction Bush accomplished in eight years, I can only ponder how much damage would occur under the leadership of one of the current Republican candidates.

Maybe Romney will invite me to stay in his future 11,000 sqft home. Probably not, I'm sure there wouldn't be enough room for the both of us.

Good riddance!
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please document the "damage" Bush did to the economy, because from what I xan seeit's much worse NOW then when Bush was in office.
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  Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some are so blinded by ideology that they can only label issues and then argue for or against the labels instead of the issues. Some are so busy bashing the sitting President that they don’t seem to have any time left to read about what is actually going on in the country.
  1. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 10,587 on Jan. 20, 2001, the day George W. Bush was inaugurated. It closed 2,638 points (24.9%) lower at 7949 when he left office on Jan. 20, 2009. Since then it has risen about 38% to hover around 11,000 on President Obama's watch.(1) That sounds like the economy, personal investments, and pensions funds are all doing better now then under the former administration.
  2. Banks and corporations are currently sitting on huge capital reserves accumulated from profits and government handouts, and they are continuing to reap huge savings from having sent their manufacturing and service jobs offshore. Banks, oil companies, and most of corporate America never had it so good.
  3. On April 22, 2011, the Treasury Department announced $22.1 billion in taxpayer funds committed to the Public-Private Investment program in March 2009 are yielding a $1.7 billion profit that includes $500 million from dividends and other investment gains.(2) That’s stimulus money being returned to the Treasury.
  4. On March 31, 2011, the Treasury Department reported bank repayments to the government under the TARP program amounted to $251 Billion compared to $245 Billion paid out. An additional $20 Billion in profit is expect in the future. More stimulus money being returned to the treasury.
  
  The economy of the US is on the mend and most indicators, except job creation and real estate values, are pointing to better times ahead. A reasonable and rational observer should be inclined to agree even though the nation still has a long way to go. But, to continue to suggest ALL aspects of our society are worse under the current administration is to ignore reality. Some things have improved, You must have noticed.
  
  There are many Americans who display a willingness create a society ruled by corporate boards of directors. I respect their position and the thinking behind it. I'm a capitalist too but I grow concerned when too many businesses send quality jobs to foreign labor markets, beg for taxpayers' subsidies because "they are too big to fail", accept government bailout money, and then give their executives huge bonuses. I see too many examples of pursuing greed not profits. I have no respect for today's collective corporate culture. Do you? Unbridled corporations are as dangerous to liberty as unbridled governments. I'm opposed to both with equal vigor. But, I would rather vote for the people who shape my future than punch their time clock.
  
  1. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/ch … mbol=$INDU
  2. CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER, AP Economics Writer, Associated Press, April 22, 2011
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  mulberry1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I try not to spend my time being upset, just evaluating my next move. In the end, I'll see if I think we would get better performance (or more of what I want) from another candidate (R, D or I) but probably not. So it's likely I'll vote for him again. Not voting is not an option.
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donotfearposted 13 years ago
Who would I vote for in the next election?

Anyone BUT the Bam.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's a wise decision.
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
yeah of course I will he is such an awesome president don't you think.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
I won't vote R if they nominate a far right-winger. If they choose more of a moderate, I'll prolly vote R. If not, I'll vote for Obama or stay home for the first time since I turned 18. If I vote D hubby's vote will "cancel mine." Like others have said, I can't say for sure until I know who the Rs are running and do some research on the candidate.

I vote for the person and not the party.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Way to go Habee. It would be a very good thing for America if everyone did the same I reckon.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi, Earnest! I have two pals who are Democrats, and both have told me they will always vote D, no matter who the candidate is. I just don't get that. Even my very conservative husband doesn't always vote R, although I'm sure there are Repulicans who'll always vote R, regardless of the candidate.
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
Republican Party Position on Abortion
"The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life."

"Democrats stand behind the right of every woman to choose. We believe it is a constitutional liberty. This year’s Supreme Court ruling show us that eliminating a woman’s right to choose is only one justice away. Our goal is to make abortion more rare, not more dangerous. We support contraceptive research, family planning, comprehensive family life education, and policies that support healthy childbearing.
Source: Democratic National Platform Aug 15, 2000 "
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So it the unborn child is female she gets a right to choose and if it's male it doesn't? Isn't that sex discrimunation? No wonder the dems are so hated!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The day a man carries a baby to full time he will have equal choice in whether or not to give birth. It's not like you can force women to carry a baby to full term.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's a very simple concept. Does the constitution protect the RIGHTS of ALL individuals, then the question to be settled is what defines an individual worthy of that protection? Is a fully formed fetus capable of life outside the womb worthy? Or is that baby nothin more than human waste with less regard than the cans, bottles, and paper we separate from the waste stream?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The vast majority of people do not support late term abortions which is what you are talking about. These are very rare no matter how many want you to believe that all abortions are late-term or partial birth.
  
  And I repeat this again that no one against abortion ever answers. How do you force a woman to give birth is she does not want to?
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know a lot of people who for what ever reason can't have a baby but would like to adopt. Do you have a problem with counseling a woman about the options that are there such as adoption.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not...abortion is a choice...you can choose to have one, you can choose not to have one... I believe that most abortion clinics do give you options.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The "vast majority" are against late term abortion? Then there are some in favor correct? And what constitutes "late term"?
  The fact is everyone feels differently about the subject. Consequently federal money should not be used for ANY abortions. How do you force a woman to carry to term? No one can force anyone to obey the law which is why there is a consequence for the decision to violate the law and why there is a system in place to adjudicate violators.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't want to say all because I don't have those statistics. I don't make them up.
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to force her the baby will come, it won't be in the womb forever.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, do you lock the woman up and watch her 24 hours a day?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe that is required why do you ask?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am talking about how you will force a woman to come to full term is she is adamant about not giving birth.
  
  Personally, I would never have had an abortion because of the alternatives. But...it is legal for woman to choose whether or not they will have one...
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I will not force a woman to do anything, you asked a question and I supplied the answer.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sourpuss, please explain to me why the Dems have a problem with water boarding a terrorist that masterminded 9/11 but don't have a problem with turning a baby's brains into scrambled eggs during a live-birth abortion.
  
  I'm a Christian Conservative and I don't believe in abortion. However, I'll take it one step further and state I also think it's none of my business what a woman does with her body unless the child she's carrying is mine. Probably didn't think you'd hear that coming from a Christian Conservative, did you?
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
Clueless fools will NOT take America again.

This is a new day. Out with the old, decrepid, stale ideas.

Freedom and Love. That is it.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What part of Obama's agenda says "Freedom" to you, Sourpuss? I don't see it.
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
Cruel and Unusual Punishment is what I'd call it.
8th amendment and 4th amendment mean nothing to the 2nd amendment crowd!

Now they want to get rid of 14th an 16th? Is that right?

Woooo, SOME Constitutionalists! More like pick and choose-ists!!

The Pick and Choose party....applies to the Constitution AND the Bible!
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Longhunterposted 13 years ago
I would love to vote for someone because of what they stand for rather than they are the lesser of two evils. In the 2012 election, I fear it'll be more of the same. I'll be voting against Obama rather than for someone.

I do know I would vote for a fence post before I would vote for Obama. I didn't vote for him last time either so don't blame me.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did vote for a fence post, twice I imagine.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And you must have voted for the village idiot that's missing from a Kenyan village as well as the wooden Indian and the long-faced jackass in the two previous elections. Not that's all out in the open, can we move on and bring it up a few notches?
  
  "Change we can believe in!"
  
  Do you really believe in Obama's kind of change? If so, I guess I had to pegged wrong.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had no idea you ran for office or was born in Kenya. My apologies.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, Randy, is Obama's change something you really believe in? If so, maybe we should start questioning your patriotism along with his.
  
  Obama is about as un-American as they come with the exception of Karl Marx himself. Are you the same?
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like the Dubya years again, LH. Anything not supported by the left is blamed with being "unpatriotic." "You don't believe Irag has WMD's? Unpatriotic!"
  
  "You don't think we should torture prisoners? Unpatriotic!"
  
  "You don't think the VP's former company should get no-bid contracts and steal billions from our treasury? Unpatriotic!"
  
  And thanks for considering me unpatriotic. Naturally, you are the "decider" of who is patriotic because.....er..I forget, why is that now? Oh yeah, you said so!
  
  So who is "we" anyway?
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Go back and reread our thread, Randy. My insults were said about political leaders then you decided to steer thing into the ditch and come at me personally. Do I consider you unpatriotic? From what I've seen of your writing, no, not in the least. We may not always agree but perhaps you shouldn't sling personal insults at me unless you're willing to get some slung back.
  
  Now, would you like to bring it up a few notches and have a legitimate debate, leaving the personal insults to the more childish among us?
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah right. You don't use personal insults against Obama or anyone else you disagree with, do you?
  
  Who started the "unpatriotic" subject and again, who is "we"? You're asking me to "bring it up a few notches"?
  
  Baptist, right?
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YES, I did insult OBAMA personally!!! And will continue to do so. I DID NOT insult YOU personally until you took your pot shots at me, thus the unpatriotic remarks. I apologize for them.
  
  Now, can we debate the issues? I hope so.
  
  By the way, I have no idea what it has to do with anything but, yes, I'm a Baptist. Am I perfect, no, not by any stretch of the imagination and I certainly don't claim to be.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No problem, I merely wanted to see if my psychic ability was still accurate. And no, you are way to smart for me to debate with, LH. You've got Jesus on your side.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wish I had a psychic ability. With an EX-wife and a daughter, I could have used it more than a few times.
  
  I hope we all have Jesus on our side but let me make something perfectly clear, Randy. Yes, I am a Christian but I don't think that makes me better than anyone else. Religion is personal and I'm not going to thump my Bible at anyone. Your beliefs are yours and mine are mine. Lets keep it that way.
  
  Fair enough? Can we debate politics without religion getting in the way?
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What your religious beliefs are makes no never mind to me as long you keep them to yourself, LH. But I don't think we will solve anything by debating with your present attitude towards Obama.
  
  It's not that you dislike him, you're free to do this of course, but all of the "village idiot missing from a Kenyan village" rhetoric from one who-and this is another psychic attempt on my part-voted twice for Dubya and had no problem trying to put Palin in as VP, is a bit hypocritical in my opinion.
  
  Or are my ESP powers failing me this time?
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll never like Obama, Randy. It's just not on me.
  
  Yes, I voted for Bush both times. Having had Gore as a senator kept me from voting for him and Kerry was far too liberal for me.
  
  As for Palin, I voted for McCain because, to me, he was the lesser of two really bad choices, not because McCain was anything special.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You see, the mere fact you were willing to allow Palin control of nuclear weapons--in the entirely possible event of McCain's demise, of course-- tells me we could never see eye to eye on most political subjects.
  
  I do agree on the right to bear arms to protect one's family or help control tyranny in our wonderful country. But I am also an avid hunter and marksman too, so many of my firearms serve a dual purpose. I also collect vintage and antique weapons and know how to repair and maintain them.
  
  My father landed on Omaha beach on D-Day and also fought in the Battle of the Bulge under Patton during the trek towards Germany. My nephew flew cover in a Blackhawk helicopter during a now famous rescue of a downed jet pilot not too many years ago. I could go on and on about those of my family who fought for this country in the last two centuries of American warfare.
  
  So you see, suggesting I may be unpatriotic doesn't sit too well with me considering the many members of my family and friends who fought and died defending this country. Sorry to be so long winded. You just hit a nerve with your suggestion. Peace!
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, I was sincere in my apology above whether you want to believe it or not. I, too, have lost loved ones in war. I have a nephew that's hell bent on becoming a Marine upon graduation. I honor your family's service as I do that of my own.
  
  When it comes to Obama, we simply don't agree. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
  
  As for Palin, I was voting against Obama by voting for McCain. I wasn't voting for Palin. To be perfectly honest, I don't want her to run much less win the nomination but, if she does, I'll have to vote for her rather than Obama. I simply don't like the man and think he's a horrible president.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem "agreeing to disagree" LH. Our discussion turned sour when you suggested "we" (you never answered my question concerning who "we" meant) may need to look closer at my "patriotism" because I didn't agree with "your" opinion of Obama.
  
  Those you elected created a snowball effect which any president would have trouble stopping, even your own party stated this on more than one occasion. But perhaps you can explain why Dubya, with the power to pass any bill because of the majority control of the right in congress, didn't do so well with the economy or accomplish great things.
  
  Normally wars help our economy but no-bid contracts only enrich the cronies of those who get them. If you watched any of the congressional hearings concerning Haliburton and Blackwater, you would understand what I am speaking of.
  
  Perhaps an example is in order: Haliburton charges $1200 a day for security guards. They then sub-contract to another company to provide the guards. This company sub-contracts to another company and so on down the line through 5 different contractors.
  
  The end result is the hiring of African mercenaries, who by the way, cannot speak English, at $200 per day. Net loss to the American taxpayer-$1000 per security guard. This is only one small example of why letting Cheney's former company have no bid contracts stunk to high heaven.
  
  One more example just in case you fail to see the significance of the first.
  
  Haliburton charged $50 per six-pack of cokes delivered to the troops in Iraq. What they didn't say was the cokes were made and packaged nearby, not here in the US.
  
  The list goes on and on, but I seriously doubt you are the type of person who actually watched any of the hearings about any of these things. You put these crooks in business by electing Dubya and have the audacity to take the high road and blame someone else for trying to clean up your guy's mess. You supported Dubya and Palin, that's all I need to know about your political philosophy
  
  Carry on.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't Kellog,Brown and Root, the Haliburton subsidiary responsible for delivering food and supplies to troops pay huge fines? There are few companies that can do the things massive corporations do. When the Russians lost the Kursk it was Haliburton that was able to reach it and solve the mystery about its sinking.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I think they did pay some fairly hefty fines, but this does nothing to change my points in my previous post. Do you feel okay spending $1200 a day for a $200 security guard? With these huge profits, all of Haliburton's subs could afford to get fined and still come out smelling like a rose. Not to mention untold millions of dollars in unmarked bills not accounted for by Haliburton.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Given the way affordable housing was crammed down our throats by the Dems thus causing the real estate bubble that eventually burst which in turn caused the downfall of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac, I think there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the aisle. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank had their hand in all of that.
  
  There's enough blame to go around and, NO, it's not all GWB's fault. If you're as fair minded as I think you are, you'll admit that.
  
  Have you read Cheney's book? I haven't but look forward to it.
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tony0724posted 13 years ago
In relation to your question my answer will be brief, NO !
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kerrygposted 13 years ago
Depends on who he's up against. He's been more of a disappointment than not (some of the reasons why have already been nicely laid out by iQwest above, so I'm not going to repeat them), but of the current crop of Republican candidates the only ones who impress me in the slightest are Paul and Huntsman. I have vague hopes that Bernie Sanders might get mad enough to throw his hat in the ring, and if he did I'd vote for him on general principle, but I haven't heard anything so far that makes that sound likely.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sanders??? I doubt America will elect another socialist president!
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mulberry1posted 13 years ago
Depends who else is running. I am not opposed to voting for him. The conditions have been horrible, but most of what he has done hasn't been the cause in my eyes. Huge things have influenced the economy and jobs, and those things took place over many years. He's just been the one who happened to be in office just after the *** hit the fan. We were warned it would take years to get things on track even by the previous administration.

On the other hand, I am an indepedent. I vote for the person with the beliefs that I think will most likely put us on the right track. I haven't heard anyone yet that I think will do better.

NOT voting is what should be off the table for everyone. When you fail to vote, you are, in essence voting for the other candidate. I'm not hugely disappointed in the pres. but even if I were, I would have to evaluate any opponent to see if I felt I would get more of what I want out of them. Thus far, the answer has been no. Not voting is the surest way for things to get worse for you.
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  Quilligrapherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I applaud your reasonable and rational statement. A view like yours is refreshing to read amidst the ranting and bashing of blind ideologist who view compromise or sharing the role of governance as some sort of failure. I also agree with your position on voting. Keep the faith.
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Justsilvieposted 13 years ago
Unless someone gives us a better option... don't see one yet!
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  platinumOwl4posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I do plan on voting for Obama in 2012. The reason is all of the people commenting remember why the voted Bush Out. They should also remember he and his buddies did everything imaginable to create havoc for the incoming President. You all forget that the bankers were on the podium with Obama and received a huge bailout. However, none of it helped the taxpayers who were losing everything. While it is easy to scapegoat the President, remember One he is only a figure head and two there are many people behind him undoing any good he may do. How many of you remember the passage from the bible when Jesus asked the question "he is is without sin cast the first stone" many people quote this but the never give the full situation. There was no one to cast the stone so some clever person tricked a blind person to throw the stone then they all followed. I hope Americans don't fall into this trap and get a person worst than all of the Presidents before Obama.
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Wayne Brownposted 13 years ago
The party concept in DC is nothing more than the fortress surrounding the old guard on both sides of the aisle. The democrats are a far cry from what they were and the republicans cannot agree on anything long enough to put it before the American people. If, indeed, the Republican Party is the representative of conservative thinking then that process was already splintered many years back by the staunch religious rights of the party and the moderate conservative. If the Tea Party is parked under this same umbrellas of conservatism, then it simply represents a further splintering of the same number of votes...not good in most instances. This is certainly much more evident when one examines the Republican Party. At the same time, many who are now of the republican faith were once southern democrats so it is quite easy to see there has been a significant shift in the Democrat Party as well. The far left of the party which is much more willing to function in a socialist domain has a choke hold on the party politic and a stronger one with Obama in office. Those of the democratic faith who disagree tend to hide to do it rather than speak their peace out in the open. This makes it much more difficult to weigh the discontent in the Democrat ranks. Political affilitation or not, when it comes to performance of those elected to serve in offices of our federal government then we must have accountability and fiscal responsibility. We no longer have the luxury of being able to make trillion dollar miscalculatons and then toss it aside for some new idea. Party orientation cannot be the main factor behind Americans judging the performance of those elected to serve. If it is, then we, as a nation, have our priorities out of order. As a nation, regardless of our politics, we should all be focused on making sure our country survives and does it in a way that is fiscally responsible. If indeed Obama can only expect 27% of the voters to pull the lever for him, then we must decide that maybe his performance as President correlates to that level of response from the public. Time will tell on that and many other significant issues. WB
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chablis345posted 13 years ago
As I am from England I cannot really comment on the rights and wrongs of the American voting system but it does seem awfully complicated! All I do know is that you had a howler in Bush and you dont need anymore like him. I like Obama, I think he has personal integrity and cannot be expected to turn the tide of economic downturn in one term, particularly given the global meltdown we are all experiencing. We have the same problem here with the Conservative party. The previous Labour government spent all the money, sold all the gold and encouraged a welfare nanny state to such an extent that we are now into three generations of non-workers who find it easier to get handouts than work for it. Everyone is very protectionist of their own profession and do not want to see changes in their working conditions even though it is vital to the economy to make the cutbacks needed - you only have to look at Greece, Portugal and Ireland to see the mess they got into by not trimming their budget to suit their needs!

Also The likes of the Tea Party scare the hell out of me - admittedly I only see what is shown on the news but they seem very insular and ill informed of what the rest of the world is up to - and God or whoever your personal belief is help you if Sarah Palin stands and gets elected!
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  John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not how I remember things Chablis! Thatchers Tories sold off Britain for quick tax cuts for the rich, put millions on the dole queue - many of whom are still there - along with their children and grand children.
  The previous labour government, though wrong in many ways, did not, as you claim, encourage a welfare nanny state, rather the reverse.
  I don't get this thing about gold either! We no longer have a gold standard, we were paying a fortune to keep secure a basically worthless metal.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Gold Standard is useful as a descriptive phrase but not particularly useful when backing a currency. There were recent reports that Uncle Moammar had a gold reserve estimated at around 144 tonnes but who wants his currency? Portugal has one of the larger gold reserves but how is their economic health? The United States has the largest gold reserve in the world - by quite a margin - to what end?
  
  Though far from useless, gold, as a currency, is desired because it represents a fixed and stable quantity, unlike fiat currencies favored by the rapid printing press in the Federal Reserve. No matter what the currency, if there is no confidence in the stability or strength of a countries economy, that currency will be weak. Currency stopped being a physical thing a long time ago. Forex is a better measure of relative economic health than when currency values were backed by gold.
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livelongerposted 13 years ago
Yes.

But I live in a deep-blue state. My vote is just as pointless as all the deep-red staters saying "absolutely not."

It might be interesting to hear from people in the toss-up states, especially if they've had a mixed voting history.
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
Still burns me all the times I was told to "leave if I don't like it", called a traitor, told to shut up and take it.....and now these same people act as if they're SO patriotic for slamming Obama left and right.

Oh, and the "if you don't support the war, you are against the troops"...."if you don't support the troops, feel free to stand in front of them"....

Now look at em! They can't bash the war hard enuff.

That is why I will never forgive or forget.
They were horrible OAFS all during Bush, and now want to be seen as hero's because they suddenly "see the light".

Un-American was the one probly most thrown around.

And now it is Obama is anti-American.
Liberals hate America.
Obama hates America.
Then they say praise the Lord...which one, Satan?

And Marxist....I tell people all the time, I don't KNOW anything about Marx, but I am one!

I SO think like Maxine Waters. To a T. Go to Hell.
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  Longhunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "And now it is Obama is anti-American.
  Liberals hate America.
  Obama hates America."
  
  Congratulations!!!!! You FINALLY got something right, Sourpuss.
  
  Obama all the way. and Freedom and Liberty. Not Fascist Tyranny. just don't go together, Sourpuss.
  
  Obama wants to take your freedom and make you a ward of the state. Perhaps you already are one and you're just trying to protect your way of life.
  
  "I don't KNOW anything about Marx"
  
  Obviously!!!! Your ignorance knows no bounds. I suggest you read more about him before you claim to be one. You MIGHT change your mind.
  
  "I SO think like Maxine Waters. To a T. Go to Hell."
  
  Spoken like a true Obamite. Lead the way, Sourpuss, lead the way.
  
  I've long since realized I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed person in my posts with you, Sourpuss, but I have to admit, it's been fun tearing apart your line of BS.
  
  Your turn.
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Sourpussposted 13 years ago
"Underground abortions have returned to the United States, just as pro-choice activists have warned for years. And women have started going to jail for the crime of ending their own pregnancies, or trying to."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … -laws.html

A vote for a Repub or a Bagger who will possibly choose the next Supreme Court Justice, means the end of Roe V Wade.

Back to "freedom and the Constitution"....circa 1840.

I say NO. NO. NOO.

Obama all the way. Freedom and Liberty. Not Fascist Tyranny.
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Paul Wingertposted 13 years ago
Obama will get my vote.
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livelongerposted 13 years ago
Looks like everyone who voted for Obama before will vote for him again.

Everyone who voted for McCain will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate.

Some of the older voters (who favored McCain) will have died by 2012, replaced by younger voters who will favor Obama.

So...Obama will have another landslide win.
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Remember that prediction. If it doesn't come to pass you will be mocked. I find it incredible that recent college graduates who remain unemployed with little prospect for employment would vote for the man who brought them such prosperity and optimism.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's fine. I'm applying logic, not fantasy. I suspect you'll be eating crow, not me.
  
  I find it incredible that people who are barely scraping by will vote for someone whose policies don't care for anyone except his/her billionaire sponsors. I guess they think they'll be joining the ranks of those billionaires, too... any day now...
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  uncorrectedvisionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your logic is impeccable in its ideological bent. I am sure the peasants will vote for Mister Marie Antoinette.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
that statement says it plainly enough.

and I'm so tired of the liberals hate America. What an idiotic argument. Labels mean nothing. Any person has the capacity to hate, not specific groups of people.
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  liftandsoarposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have never trusted anyone less than I do Barak Obama. End of story.
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NathanielZhuposted 13 years ago
All of the 2012 candidates suck.
It doesn't matter who you vote for but hopefully it's not Bachmann, Perry, or Ron Paul who all display great public enthusiasm, but is rather backward in ideology.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I would find it even more incredulous that college graduates would consider not looking at the whole picture, (although with some I can consider this option!). The president is not responsible for our income or lack of income. Where does this kind of thinking originate, that someone else is responsible for our lives?
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AJReissigposted 13 years ago
Every GOP contender running is a huge improvement over our current President. While I did not vote for him in the last election, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, I did agree with his belief that the Patriot Act was a violation of civil liberties. What I have seen is that Obama has no problem with the violation of civil liberties....when he is the person in charge. He also doesn't know Jack about economics or business (of course, neither does most of congress).

As of right now, I would be quite happy with Paul, Perry, or Caine. In my eyes, Paul will always be the champion of libertarian thought. Caine has an impressive business record. And if Perry can do for the nation what he has done for Texas, this nation will be a far better place.
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grahaseposted 13 years ago
I think I will probably reserve my decision until a little closer to election day. I'm afraid I would change my mind more often than I changed my hairstyle if I tried to say ya or nay right now. My plans will probably be to vote on the "lesser of two evils"-----of course, that is just my opinion of all politicians. Actually, I'm holding out for our first 'female' final contender. Uh, I guess I just gave away my gender there????oops. As a social security and medicare recipient; I'm not too happy with anyone right now.
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someonewhoknowsposted 13 years ago

Obama tells Students: "It's true I'm not American"... " I come from KENYA"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&NR=1

Court Orders Obama To Resign In 90 Days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0EdpvZ23s&NR=1

OBAMA RESIGNS THE PRESIDENCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPxl1IuQsQ&NR=1

We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove and Indict the man dba Barack Hussein Obama, his DHS Janet Napolitano et al day 411 August 15/2011.
OBAMA IS A CROOKED ATTORNEY.
He was hired by the real mstrmd of 911 to destroy the USA.
Help me stop him please.
They made records of me deceased to do their dirty dealings.
Insider trading is the norm for this Rico man in the WH.
Who blew up the buildings?
Honey Robin Siegal (owner Zenadev, NOT DECEASED!, DEFRAUDED)
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 week ago

I pray to read the words Obama is removed and indicted. Honey Siegal is restored and in control of all her assets and saves the global economy.
We The People Against Corruption in the Campaign to Remove & Indict the man dba Barack Hussein Obama, DHS Janet Napolitano et al day 380 Friday July 15/2011.
Obama will never be a mench and resign the presidency which was how my campaign started after I found the links to him & his wife in the banking fraud of Bank One using my co. of Zenadev
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 month ago

Just on the news. "President Obama addressing the nation tonight at 9pm eastern time." I pray for his removal and indictment if he does not resign and an honest judge to help me enforce a special power of attorney given to me which will save the global economy and indict the real perps of 911.
Honey R Siegal (NOT DEAD)
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 month ago
Why would you say it is unlikely he will be removed and indicted? OBAMA IS A CROOKED ATTORNEY (see my Website). Nixon resigned for far less fraud.This sheister is dissolving the USA from fraudulent bank and court records of me deceased.The mass murderer perp of 911 who hired him thinks he is above the law.He also thinks americans are dumb.Obama Bank One Fraudster signed a Dream Act to allow illegals to get scholarships!!R we still the USA? Am I alive? What part of fraud is ok?HRS
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 month ago

One year to the day I started my Campaign of We The People Against Corruption to Remove & Indict Obamas,DHS Janet,Geithner et al. I discovered bank and court records of my death in Arizona in 2006 which had been executed in 1999. The Supreme Court of Arizona was manipulated by RSS "dick" (term of SAC attorney who did the fraud & msn today)to participate in the banking Insilco mortgage frauds linked to Zenadev and the funding of the global debt.I speak truth not garbage.HRSiegal(6/30/11)
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 month ago

I FOUND THIS ONLINE AND HAD TO POST IT HERE FOR YOU ALL TO SEE
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