Should we Pay for Sandra Fluke's Slutty Behavior?

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  1. Evan G Rogers profile image61
    Evan G Rogersposted 13 years ago

    Can i just remind everyone that this entire debate is happening because we all agree that we hate being told what to buy?

    Without ObamaCare, this wouldn't be an issue.

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have to buy car insurance.... where's the outrage?

      Home insurance....the b*ast*rds!

      1. wilderness profile image76
        wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        No you don't have to buy car insurance.  Get rid of the car and Presto! - no more insurance.

        Same for home insurance - get rid of the mortgage and you won't have to have the insurance you agreed to when you took out a mortgage.

        Don't think you can get rid of your body quite so easily.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Do you live here? You cannot have a job without a car. Period. I have no choice. And if I don't have insurance, I don't drive. It is mandated.  You don't have to seek treatment for cancer either, but most likely you will.  And wouldn't it be SMART if your payment was lesser because a lot of other people contribute too?

          No- I don't HAVE to buy a house, but if I want to, I am mandated to buy insurance....why?

          Why can't I drive without insurance?

          1. 910chris profile image75
            910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Because a lot of actors (bad ones) would be out of a job, as well as insurance agents. It's all part of a vicious cycle.

            1. lovemychris profile image87
              lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Really?  So why target healthcare only??

              And why is private let-me-choose-who-I-insure better??

              1. 910chris profile image75
                910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, we should target the industry as a whole. We should NEVER have to be forced to pay for anything. I would love for someone here to read the Constitution and tell me where it says I HAVE TO pay for healthcare, or any type of insurance. Just like with anything else, once they got there foot in the door (the WH door) it was all over,

                1. lovemychris profile image87
                  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, you can count me as one American who wants univeral healthcare for all...so I like what the WH did.

                  We just need a lot more of it.

          2. rlbert00 profile image76
            rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Home insurance? Auto insurance? Really? Home insurance is required to protect a bank's investment i.e. your home in the event of an accident, if you have a mortgage you need insurance. Same thing with auto, comprehensive insurance is require to protect the bank's investment i.e. your car, as long as you have a loan out on it. Liability insurance, which is the only insurance required if you own your car outright, is required to protect others from you in the event of an accident. Health insurance, only used to protect yourself from failing health not to protect anyone else. Therefore if a person wants insurance they are more than welcome to protect themselves with it, if a person sees no need for it then they shouldn't be forced to buy it...apples and oranges really.

            1. lovemychris profile image87
              lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Well geee, tanks. A bank deserves more protection than a human being.

              dohhhhhing

      2. StripedCrunchy profile image61
        StripedCrunchyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        OK lovemy. You've got car insurance. Does it cover Gasoline?

        You know you can strop spending money on Gas by not driving. Plenty of people ride a bus to work, or work from home.

        By the same token, you can stop spending money on condoms by not screwing.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          So why do you care if I screw or not?  Do you question every single piece of food everyone eats before you cover them? Every bad habit they have? Why make sex the behavior you don't want to cover?

          You want to use gvt to enforce your religion!

        2. Uninvited Writer profile image76
          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Learn about all the reasons women take birth control and you won't look so ignorant.

          1. lovemychris profile image87
            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah boy...I sure hope that night of sex was worth the ovarian cyst!

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    Gusserposted 13 years ago

    Since this is a womans healthcare issue, let's be fair. Happy men live longer. Since some here believe that the Government should be involved, I demand government & insurance supplied hookers. After all women certainly wouldn't want to deny access to male healthcare issues. They are never biased.

    1. kerryg profile image81
      kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, if you have to pay women to have sex with you, no wonder you're so bitter! Lemme guess, you're a "nice guy," too.

      If you want to get laid, it's useful to remember that women do not owe you sex and do not generally consider sleeping with misogynists to be worth the trouble. Try improving your attitude towards women instead of blaming us for your unhappiness. I know personal responsibility is a hard concept for straight white guys to grasp after so many centuries having the world handed to them on a platter, but if you try real hard I'm sure you can figure it out. big_smile

      1. 910chris profile image75
        910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        ."I know personal responsibility is a hard concept for straight white guys to grasp" AHA, that's racist! LOL

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        Gusserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Dodging to point is so unbecoming of you. Of course you have no intelligent reply to give.

        1. 910chris profile image75
          910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, so you know me and who I am? You better worry more about your own illiterate comments than everybody eles's. I was making a joke, or maybe your to old to get, laugh out loud.

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            Gusserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Your replies show your intelligence, or the lack thereof.

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              PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              It is comforting to know that men like you are going the way of the dinosaur.  Failure to adapt results in extinction.

              Ladies, it's time to ignore Gusser.  His kind is not worth engaging.

              1. profile image0
                Gusserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Great idea--run off when you are shown as a fool.

                1. 910chris profile image75
                  910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Your replies show how far gone and lost you really are. Just give up, you have shown yourself as a fool.

              2. gmwilliams profile image84
                gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                ++++++++

            2. gmwilliams profile image84
              gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Gusser, you sir have made the most unenlightend comments about women and their sexuality throughout this thread.   It is woefully apparent that you are indeed threatened by women-intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, and especially, sexually.  Probably that's is why YOU are so comfortable with the atavistic premise of relating to woman who subscribe to your antedivulian prototype of women baring docile, passive, barefoot, and continuously pregnant.  Please get off this page- you are surely becoming-T-I-R-E-D and TOTALLY PLAYED OUT!

              1. 910chris profile image75
                910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Very well said.

            3. 910chris profile image75
              910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              If we are comparing intelligence, then you are brain dead geezer.

              1. Mighty Mom profile image75
                Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Some people get their jollies being jerks.
                If we ignore him he will go away.

                1. 910chris profile image75
                  910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You are right. I will from now on refrain from trying to make sense of his nonsense. Because I can see that everyone on here is done with this, whatever it is.

                  1. Mighty Mom profile image75
                    Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Good question!
                    What is/was this anyway? roll
                    Hopefully we've heard the last of it.
                    Onward to the next sound and fury signifying nothing.

      3. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        ++++++++++++++++++ a milnillion times!

  3. Ralph Deeds profile image73
    Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

    Kirsten Powers on media mysogyny: Limbaugh may be the worst example, but he's not alone. "Did you know there is a war on women?

    "Yes, it’s true. Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Matt Taibbi, and Ed Schultz have been waging it for years with their misogynist outbursts. There have been boycotts by people on the left who are outraged that these guys still have jobs. Oh, wait. Sorry, that never happened."


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … at%20Sheet

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I totally disagree with that woman. Jokes are one thing....calling women sl*ts for taking birth control is another

      Shultz had to apologize, and was suspended.
      Letterman had to apologize to Palin.
      What's his name lost his job for slurs (radio jock), and Bill Maher lost a job for his politcally incorrect words as well.

      And Ingraham is hardly innocent of slurs herself. Mrs. Obama was called "trash" on her show. What'd she do? Laugh.

      It's about time someone called Russsshhhh out. He's been a poison-thrower since 1991, and had a free pass.

      1. 910chris profile image75
        910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        That's why he needed all that vicodin, his voice gives him migraines! I really think his brain has turned to mush.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          He's definately gotten special treatment..of that there is no doubt.

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            idratherbeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I agree lovemychris, the station at the very least should have suspended him. But then again not a one of the GOP candidates came out and condemned his remarks.

      2. rlbert00 profile image76
        rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this
        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Who made this a political issue?

          This birth control rule was the same under Bush, and no one had a hearing with Catholic bishop men and no women talking about WOMEN'S HEALTH.

          The R's made it an issue because they saw it as another way to get at Obama, and Russsshhhhh took it and ran with it for ratings.

          Womens health is a joke and a political football for R's. pffffffft!
          And Russsshhhh should be fired like Imus, fined like Stern, or at the very least, suspended like Shultz.

          But he won't be. He will be a righty media hero for being attacked by these nasty mean liberals and Femi-Nazi's.

        2. 910chris profile image75
          910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It was only a matter of time before he apoligized. I do agree with "What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line?" He is right on that one.

          1. lovemychris profile image87
            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Fluke became active on the issue “after her friend developed ovarian cysts and found that the oral contraception she needed to stop the cysts from growing was not covered under the school’s insurance.”

            hello......this is NOTHING to do with sex, men. You can get over your fear of v#gin#as.

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              Gusserposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Fluke became active before she even entered the school. Get your facts straight.

              1. lovemychris profile image87
                lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                And? The school didn't cover the meds...that's what she was asked to testify about...since the R's in Congress had to only make it a sexual/women are sl*ts issue.

                1. 910chris profile image75
                  910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  There is no use in arguing with a person who has dementia. It's just a waste of time and energy.

      3. Ralph Deeds profile image73
        Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I completely agree that Limbaugh's despicable diatribe was much worse than the Dems she cited. But all of the remarks are wrong.

  4. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Leon Panetta calls for Limbutt to be off Armed Forces Radio.

    from a blogger:

    "It is not bad enough that he provides partisan blather, that he demeans our President.

    He has regularly demeaned women.

    His remarks this week were well beyond the pale of what should be broadcast to our military and their families, supported with our tax dollars.

    I have a moral objection to my tax dollars being used for such a purpose.

    You should move immediately to cancel any further broadcast through government facilities of his venom.

    I speak as an honorable discharged United States Marine.

    I write as the teacher of students, male and female, now on active duty, including overseas, including in the past Iraq and currently Afghanistan.

    There is no excuse for the US Government in any capacity giving this man an audience.

    It is an insult to the honorable men and women who serve this nation."

    Russshhhhh is on Armed Forces Radio????....WE pay for this clown???? WE do???

    Call for a hearing! Send the Bishops in to denounce this anti-woman, anti-Christian tax-taking moron!!!

  5. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "I do not fight an unarmed man."


    Longhunter???

  6. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "If Clear Channel keeps Rush after the loss of so many advertisers it proves they're an RNC political operation not a business"

    Just like Fox. No duh.

    just another little curiosity to the puzzle: According to Tex Marrs, when Romney worked at Bain, his supervisor was a woman, 3rd in line in the Mossad.

    Does this fit? Fox, Murdoch, Clear Channell....all running pro-Repub and pro-Israel 24/7.

    Murdoch--Zionist. Ailes, an Israeli-Firster. Romney:"I'll speak to Bibi before I act"....

    Infiltration.

    now I gotta go--FINALLY,she's gone-- i know!

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Rush Limbaugh's third wedding was officiated by... Clarence Thomas. At Thomas' house. Nuff said."


      Nice little club they've got going over there.

      1. Charles James profile image67
        Charles Jamesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Third wedding? Does that make Rush Limbaugh a slut?

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hmmmm? Let's ask Santorum! But let's see.... 3 wives, no kids.....do you suppose....could it be......they maybe used BIRTH CONTROL?

          1. livelonger profile image78
            livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            He's actually had 4 wives. You know, "the sanctity of marriage" and all that other claptrap that right-wingers don't even believe themselves.

            1. Charles James profile image67
              Charles Jamesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              His own wives only or other peoples wives, too?

              And if his wives were canoodling with him while he was a married man does that make him or them sluts?

              1. livelonger profile image78
                livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                He's a total slut. But because he's a multimillionaire, he can pay for his own viagra, OxyContin, and other "marital aids." lol

                But, really, his message is very simple: No one should have access to medicine that the ultra-religious might find in any way objectionable unless you're a radio shock jock that earns millions denigrating others.

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    PrettyPantherposted 13 years ago

    http://www.lolwithme.org/wp-content/uploads/WomenAreCrazy_MenAreStupid.jpg

    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      +++++++++.  Well said.

  8. prettydarkhorse profile image65
    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
  9. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "George Will blasts GOP candidates’ meek response to Rush: "They want to bomb Iran, but they are afraid of Limbaugh"

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image73
      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ha! George Will is usually misguided, but he does have a shred of integrity and a sense of humor.

  10. aware profile image66
    awareposted 13 years ago

    when childbirth  becomes a slutty behavior . and contraception  becomes the word of the day. know one thing. and fear it . for
    extinction is on its way.
    social  commentary poetry?

  11. Cassie Smith profile image60
    Cassie Smithposted 13 years ago

    Okay, so it look like the majority are for the slutty behavior.  And that's expected because most of the forum posters are liberals, obviously. 

    I do think that Sandra Fluck and her Georgetown law school sisters are exhibiting slutty behavior.  Basically because she wants her sexual activity paid for by others.  It is understood that she and her fellow students are paying the premium for the health insurance.  However she wants contraceptives to be covered which will result in premiums going up for all who want to buy insurance.  That's asking other people to pay for their decision to engage in sexual behavior and asking student to increase their financial burden.  That's what's slutty.  And if you're asking people to cough up additional dollars to make your sexcapade possible, then be prepared for people to discuss it and judge you. Helloooooo!

    If you regard access to contraceptives a right, it must be something new because this right didn't exist prior to The Pill.  But let's say it is a right ( lol ), well rights come with responsibilities don't they?  So isn't it your responsibility to financially pay for your right?  I have a right to free speech, I pay for my own signs, I don't force others to pay for it.  Just as each person has a responsibility to do their own family planning, just because it makes it easier to do it with contraceptives doesn't exempt you from paying for it.  And if you want the government to require others to pay for it, which is what that hearing is about, then you are essentially letting the government have a decision in your family planning.  So do you want the gov't to be involved with your womb decisions or not? It is inconsistent to be pro choice and shrilly cry that the government shouldn't prevent you from having an abortion but to let the government force others to pay for your contraception.

    It is also inconsistent that insurance must include contraceptives when it is not a must to buy insurance (not yet anyway).  So now you are forcing a business to include something in a package of services.  Why not include a dildo while you're at it?  I'm sure Fluck and her fellow activists can think up an excuse for a dildo having some sort of therapeutic purpose for a minority of people.

    Oh, and the word for the weekend was atavistic.  Atavistic this, atavistic that, atavistic everywhere.  So learn the new word: ATAVISTIC. big_smile

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What the majority is for is SAFE sexual behavior because we understand that the cost of not covering it is far greater than 3000 a year furthermore its foolish not to keep in mind that there is nothing slutty about taking the pill nor does it imply "sexscapades" a married monogamous woman could take the pill while having just one sexual partner, now if a married couple cannot afford to pay for their contraception  for example, what do you expect them to do? Abstain? It's not going to happen and eventually an accident will occur and a child will be fertilized at that point they obviously can't afford to pay for another child (they can't afford the pill) so one of two things will happen #1 They will get an abortion, I don't want to see that happen it is also costly or they will keep the child, since caring for a child takes more than 3 grand a year and since we don't allow children to starve to death in this country the taxpayer will end up paying the cost of the child... So we all lose, so yes I support contraception being covered because it's the ONLY logical choice in the real world.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe they should compromise and cover aspirin as suggested by Romney's fund raiser.

    3. Uninvited Writer profile image76
      Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How a woman can be so uneducated about birth control pills and why women use them boggles the mind.  So, do only liberal women use birth control pills? Do only liberal women complain when another woman is called a disgusting name that I will not repeat? Does every single woman who uses birth control sleep with every man they see?

      I don't want to pay for wars, but I have to. I don't have children yet I pay school taxes (which I pay gladly). I don't use Viagara but health insurance covers it.

      We can't pick and choose what we support just based on our personal opinions or needs.

      1. SparklingJewel profile image68
        SparklingJewelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        ...and that is what is wrong with the systems of the world. Things can run well when people only do what they feel right about doing...it raises the consciousness for those willing to do so. The other people that do not want to raise their consciousness will continue to act in the base ways within them regardless of what anyone does for or to them. We have got to stop promoting base behavior in humanity, and it has to start somewhere...with the individual. I as an individual refuse to pay for something for someone else that won't take care of themselves or desire to make better decisions, especially when they affect others liberty.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          How is she responsible for her cysts???

        2. A Troubled Man profile image58
          A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Welcome to the club. I'm sure there isn't a man or woman alive or dead that was ever completely and totally satisfied with seeing where their tax dollars were spent.

          Of course, if you're so disturbed by this, you should lobby to have maternity leave removed, as well. I think sex has something to do with that, too. smile

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      PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You are a shining example of stupid.  Yes, I know I could get banned for that.  I don't care. 

      I'm not even going to bother explaining why you're stupid.  Connie did a great job of saying it without saying it.

      Sandra Fluke is a role model for intelligence and poise; you are model of ugly stupidity.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image73
        Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        +++

      2. Cassie Smith profile image60
        Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        There, there, do you feel better now? lol

        How like a liberal to call other people names because of a different opinion.  I thought libs said only conservatives did that. big_smile

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Is this 8th grade?

        2. profile image0
          PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I said nothing about other conservatives, only you; there are many intelligent, thoughtful conservatives capable of reasoned analysis. 

          Do I feel better?  No.  Did I call you a name?  No.  Did I describe the level of your thinking as evidenced by your posts in this thread?  Yes.

          1. Cassie Smith profile image60
            Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You made a personal attack.  People know it when they read your post.  I doubt Hubpages will do anything, they are liberal too.

            1. profile image0
              PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Ah, yes, the "only-conservatives-get-banned" whine.  Where have I seen that before?

              I've been banned for using the word "pathetic."  Hey, that one could apply here, couldn't it?  lol

        3. Uninvited Writer profile image76
          Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          No difference, you use liberal as a way to personally insult people.

          I'm taking it you didn't read David Frum's article?

  12. Uninvited Writer profile image76
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
    1. Uninvited Writer profile image76
      Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Frum article

  13. Connie Smith profile image83
    Connie Smithposted 13 years ago

    Yes, the word for the week is atavistic, as in the original poster's atavistic attitude toward women -- definitely a throwback to at least Puritan times when men owned women as chattel in the US and both men and women were hostile to human pleasure -- on the part of women anyway.  I am a bit shocked that an educated woman in today's society would consider a young woman a "slut" for wanting to make use of the available tools at society's disposal that encompass the "responsibility" of reproduction.  More to the point, ALL women should applaud the decision that assists women everywhere to throw off the shackles of poverty that unwed birth brings to both women and children - and the additional burden that it brings to society.

    These women are our future.  They are the best and the brightest, the ones with ambitions, who are not afraid to push ahead and help to break that glass ceiling for womankind in what is still essentially a man's world. These are the women that we want our own girl children to emulate and look to as role models, instead of looking to Hollywood and the Britney Spears of the world or the emaciated young women strolling down the runways.  We need positive role models and these women provide it.  Without words, these women say "education and responsibility are the way to go, young girls of America. Look at me!  I am educated, I am responsible!  I depend on myself, not on a man!  I can support my FUTURE family because of the responsible decisions I make today!"

    Yet, there are WOMEN(?) out there who do not applaud that decision and point their children toward these positive role models.  Instead, these young impressionable girls hear that responsible action for birth control makes any woman, no matter how bright, how educated, a SLUT.

    At this point, whether the tools of responsibility are paid for collectively through insurance is not even relevant.  It is the attitude of men and women who DARE to yell "SLUT." Unless you are chaste and virginal, you have no right...

    ...and yes, that brings us atavistically back 300 years, so you are correct in one thing:  atavistic is definitely the word of the week.  I believe also that the sub-word should be HYPOCRITICAL as you wrote a hub highlighting the horrific abuse of Muslim women who, if a man LOOKS AT THEM, are considered sluts, who, if they are raped,  are considered sluts.  It is no different than the attitude that we are seeing from anyone who calls a responsible young educated woman in her twenties a SLUT. Both are blatant abuse. Either you agree that it is okay that men treat women the way they do in Muslim countries (and even here in the US on a daily basis) or you agree that all humankind, both men and women, have the same basic drives and deserve the same respect when they follow those instincts as an adult.  Otherwise, you continue to promote and condone the abuse of women the world over for being "sexual objects." It cannot be both ways. roll

    1. Cassie Smith profile image60
      Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Let's see, Fluck and her law school girlfriends are our brightest and our best and so independent.  Yet none of them have the sense enough to find out how to get cheap birth control and think they have to get other people to pay for it?  They don't sound so bright or independent.  And of course this is about who to pay for contraceptives, why do you think she was up there?

      I wouldn't have little girls look up to those stupid law school Georgetown women when they have to cry to the government to have their birth control paid for.  And Fluck is 30 years old, not some naive coed, you'd think she'd figure out by now what her responsibilities are.  On top of which, she's a professional activist and therefore a public figure and should be used to political fights.  What she's saying up there to little girls is that women are so so stupid that the government has to step in to help them not get pregnant.

      Also, your definition of abuse is totally meaningless since you can't figure out how unequally muslim culture treats women.  You think women are going to wilt because of namecalling.  I think women have a lot more fortitude than that.

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Fluke was testifying about cysts on ovaries, which contraceptives prevent.

        Do you think women should have insurance for that?

      2. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I thought that the whole point was that in this instance the pill was not for contraceptive purposes.

      3. Connie Smith profile image83
        Connie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        When a person is so narrow-minded that reasoning cannot fit in edgewise, it is futile to use rationality in an argument.  There has to be capacity for critical thinking, which many otherwise intelligent people lack once their minds are made up. 

        For others who may not be so rigid and who may have missed my first post, I will try to show the major correlation between your attitude and that of those of ANY man who abuses a women because of her sexuality. Again, this is NOT ABOUT PAYING FOR CONTRACEPTIVES.  This is about ANYONE who calls a woman a SLUT for ANY REASON related to ANY part of her sexuality.  ANYONE who does so, whether it be a caucausian male wearing a wife-beater t-shirt, a Muslim man who strikes out just because someone looked at his wife or daughter or an otherwise intelligent woman, that perpetuates abuse.  VERBAL ABUSE often sears the soul even worse than physical pain.  When another WOMAN does it, it is even worse because she is actually giving those men PERMISSION to say those nasty things.  "See?  She agrees that my daughter is a SLUT and she is a WOMAN.  I am right to believe it also." Many women right here in AMERICA are not treated any better by their husbands, boyfriends and fathers than many of those women in Muslim society.

        I do not see how you do not get that when YOU call other women derogatory names over an adult woman's sexual activity -- and YOU HAVE, no matter how you justify it, YOU PERPETUATE the cycle of abuse.  You speak words of HATE that have been spat out at women time and again (hundreds -- and possibly thousands --of times just yesterday!)as they have been beaten "because they deserved it" for being a SLUT.  You are shameless and a discredit to women everywhere. 

        We get that you do not want to "pay for" another person's sexual activity, yet you have never called ONE MAN a derogatory and hateful sexual name for receiving Viagra through insurance though many have brought that inconsistency in insurance benefits up on this forum.  When you use SLURS against a group because of your position, it is called HATE SPEECH and you, madam, are more than guilty of it.

        1. Cassie Smith profile image60
          Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am not going to let liberal one-sided PC silence me.  I will call her and her Georgetown law school girlfriends behavior slutty if I think it's accurate and I've already said why so I won't be repetitive.  It's funny to me that you and the other women on this forum consider it verbal abuse and are shrill in this case but silent whenever conservative women have been called names.  This coarse public discourse has been in existence but you have a double standard, missie, and it's only now that you get upset.  I didn't hear anything when Palins, mother and daughters, Bachmann, Angle, etc. have been slimed not only in public but also here in the forum. So don't accuse me of perpetuating the cycle of abuse when you have let it happen to other women who you probably didn't agree with politically, and remained silent.

          1. lovemychris profile image87
            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Allright!

            Sl*t against sl*t.

          2. habee profile image82
            habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You're wrong there! I have railed numerous times against specific conservative women being called nasty names. I don't like name-calling, no matter which side it comes from. I'm funny that way. There's a recent thread where I condemned Schultz, Maher, and Letterman for calling Palin and Ingraham sluts, bimbos, and c*nts.

            1. Cassie Smith profile image60
              Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Well good for you Habee but as you said, this was a recent thread, probably prompted because another liberal pointed out that other liberals like Maher do the same thing.

              1. lovemychris profile image87
                lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Really? A 3 day marathon of disgusting misogyny?

                Name it....I don't believe it.

              2. Uninvited Writer profile image76
                Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Maher is a comedian, he lost sponsors when he attacked Palin and ultimately his job.

                And one thing, Fluke is not a public figure. No one can ever disagree with the right or they become a target of character assassination.

                And, I am with Habee, I don't agree with any of those attacks.
                Didn't you ever learn that two wrongs do not make a right?

                Really, read the Frum article.

                1. rlbert00 profile image76
                  rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Bill Maher is still gainfully employed with HBO, despite repeated vulgar attacks against women with conservative leanings.

                  1. Uninvited Writer profile image76
                    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Didn't you ever learn that two wrongs do not make a right?

                    Again, he is a comedian.

                  2. Greek One profile image66
                    Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    name just one woman with conservative leanings

                  3. Cassie Smith profile image60
                    Cassie Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, Imus and Lettermen are still employed as well.  What a surprise.

                  4. Mighty Mom profile image75
                    Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Did you know that Bill Maher used to date none other than Ann Coulter?

          3. Uninvited Writer profile image76
            Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You really should read that Frum article I posted...

  14. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    I mean--you pay for men's sexual dysfunction.....why lump cysts in with that?

  15. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    This was my favorite:

    "After David Letterman for example made an ugly joke about Sarah Palin's daughter, he delivered an abject seven-minute apology on air. (To which Palin responded by refusing the apology and insinuating that David Letterman was a child molester.)"


    ahahaha!

  16. habee profile image82
    habeeposted 13 years ago

    Whether you agree or disagree with the main issue at hand, Fluke should not be referred to as a slut. I find that demeaning to all women.

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes..totally!

      And these people who call OWS protestors...my daughters age! filthy freaks and rapist and dirty bums...Stop It!

  17. rlaframboise profile image59
    rlaframboiseposted 13 years ago

    Haha! Hilarious! I am a regular Rush Limbaugh listener, don't particularly love him but I agree with him on most economic issues.

    However, I thought he steped way over the line in crushing this student on a personal level instead of a substantive level.

    He screwed up big time in my opinion, although ultimately we should not have to pay for birth control for other people and this push towards socialism is disturbing to say the least.

    Perhaps they should offer tax incentives or write offs for birth control for people who can't afford it but it's like Obama says....

    "I don't want my daughter to be PUNISHED with a baby"

    That is the the way the left looks at children and thats why the vehemently and aggresively advocate abortion.

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It is punishment if you're not ready,and can't afford it...speaking from x-perience.

      No one has the right to tell a woman when and how and where she will give birth...it's a life-time commitment and giving up her life for another.

      It should never ever be taken lightly, as you people want to do.

      1. rlaframboise profile image59
        rlaframboiseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Its not punishment, even if you can't afford it speaking from experience. I had my son with a long term girlfriend and married her we made it work.

        "You people" huh?

        We take it lightly? I had my son before I finished college and had to take a job as a welder in a ship yard.

        "Us people" might have been raised with different values, especially when it comes to child rearing, no one is telling a woman how when and where she will give birth, she is telling a child when where and how it will be denied life.

        Don't preach to me, I have been through everything most of you liberals claim is impossible for people to overcome. I just had the moral character to cowboy up when life got tough and I never took a dime from anybody.

        I wasn't raised with the mentality that things could ever be to tough for me to handle, maybe that's why no matter how tough they were on paper I made it.

        And this life-time commitment of giving up her life for another? Please. She is REALLY giving up a life for what is not life but a carefree lifestyle.

        I used to be pro choice when I was younger, and to an extent I still am because I believe states should be the arbiters of moral legislation and not the federal government, but this udder non nonchalance for life as if a woman's "lifestyle" is equivalent to a unborn babies actual life is consistently pushing me more and more into the pro life camp.

        To think, of a child as a punishment is disgusting to me as a father and assuming you are a mother I cannot fathom your logic, even dealing with the major changes in your life it creates, the hardship and struggle.

        Children are a gift.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          So--are you denying that it's a life-long commitment and you must give up your life for that child?

          It IS a life-long commitment, and you MUST give up your life for that child....you have no right to dictate when and where that will be for anybody but yourself.

  18. Mighty Mom profile image75
    Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

    Well said, Connie.
    BTW, I feel sorry that there is a hubber here whose name is identical to yours except for three letters.
    Actally, they are three quite telling letters.
    A-S-S.
    smile

    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Succinct and to the point!

  19. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "Maher is a comedian, he lost sponsors when he attacked Palin and ultimately his job."

    Let us HOPE history repeats itself with Blow-Hard!!

    1. 910chris profile image75
      910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It looks like it just might happen.

  20. Uninvited Writer profile image76
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Can't wait to hear the talk if this happens. It'll be a conspiracy... they let her testify at a congressional hearing with the sole purpose of taunting Rush Limbaugh into calling her a sl*t. But of course, they are saying that already.

    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Here's what else they're saying:

      -Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin denounced Fluke as a "femme-agogue tool."

      -The right-wing site Jawa Report illustrated a post about Fluke with a picture of a tattoo that reads "S*men Demon."

      -Pam Geller wrote that Fluke is "banging it five times a day" and that "calling this wh*re a sl*t was a softball."

      -Accuracy in Media's Don Irvine called her a "skank."

      -Former CPAC Blogger of The Year, Ace of Spades, called Fluke a "shiftless rent-a-c00ch from East Wh*reville."

      -Michelle Malkin guest blogger Doug Ross used "Got Sl*t?" in a headline and suggested Fluke suffered from "nymphomania."

      -Dana Loesch complained the controversy surrounding Limbaugh's three-day "sl*t" campaign represented a "manufactured" story. (This, before Limbaugh responded to the "manufactured" story by issuing a rare public statement.)

      1. rlbert00 profile image76
        rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

        And that is all uncalled for and crosses the line of good taste.

        1. lovemychris profile image87
          lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Id say it goes deeper than that...it's psychopathic, or if you want to get Biblical, evil.

          1. rlbert00 profile image76
            rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Rhetoric like that comes from the left too, don't try to say it doesn't.

            1. lovemychris profile image87
              lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              I'm trying to think of some.... honestly I am.

              I can't. Rhetoric like that.....the demonizing of people. Sadistic insults...like that.

              1. Greek One profile image66
                Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                not that hard to do....

                http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/GeneralBetrayUs.jpg

              2. habee profile image82
                habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Then you're in complete denial.

                1. lovemychris profile image87
                  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Show me!! That kind of talk...

                  http://www.mypracticalphilosophy.com/sarahpalin.htm

                  not even close.

                  1. habee profile image82
                    habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
            2. profile image0
              idratherbeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Sick, all I can say is it's sick! How anyone can attempt to condone it by saying the other side did it too is also sick! Gotta wonder what's wrong with some in society  today?

              1. rlbert00 profile image76
                rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Just trying to shed some light on the hypocrisy of the left. Your response is a perfect example...you don't agree with what I've said, how do you respond? By calling me sick and questioning what's wrong with me. I keep hearing "two wrongs don't make a right" from people on the left, and you're right its doesn't. But you cannot criticize those on the right for remarks like that but dismiss similar speech from those on the left as..."he's a comedian" so it doesn't really count. Hypocrite.

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image76
                  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Did you read what Frum said about that?

                  1. rlbert00 profile image76
                    rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    I'm not seeing an article? To which article are you referring? Frum? Got a link?

                2. Uninvited Writer profile image76
                  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  And I did say that I don't like it whenever anyone does it. I was just commenting that Maher was punished for what he said that time, as he should have been.

              2. rlbert00 profile image76
                rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                And if you had looked at my initial response to the remarks that were listed I said that it was uncalled for and crossed the line of good taste, never said I was excusing it or supporting it in anyway.

  21. Charles James profile image67
    Charles Jamesposted 13 years ago

    Are we agreed Rush Limbaugh and Ric Santorum are sluts? Thrice married, playing around while married? Serial adulters? Sluts?

    1. Greek One profile image66
      Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      i dont care how many time Rush was married...

      there is no way anyone ever had sex with him, let alone enough times to make him a slut

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        +1.
        Beards are a wonderful thing. Luxury accomodations, hands off!

  22. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    sounds kind of like the e-mail that Deborah Sexton received!

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/94171

  23. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    It's like saying "your mom is a fat pig"

    Versus

    "your mom has sex with fat pigs"

    Totally different connotation.

  24. Uninvited Writer profile image76
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    But there have always been broadcasting standards.

    I don't care about Rush Limbaugh, I have never heard his show and I don't seek out videos. Personally, I don't care if he gets fired or not. Advertisers will do whatever they want if they think that their profits are in danger.

    People are trying to deny Sandra Fluke's right to freedom of speech by attacking her personally and casting aspersions on her character because she dared testify in front of Congress. Do you think that is right?

    And this forum did not start out defending Limbaugh, it was started by another woman who stood by what Rush Limbaugh said and kept repeating that she was a sl*t because she uses birth control.

    1. rlbert00 profile image76
      rlbert00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No I don't think it's right for that to happen. She has every right to say whatever she wants to, to whomever she wants to, whether or not people agree with her.

  25. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    A sl*t for using birth control...I just can't get over that.

    I have 3 daughters...they just labeled them all sl*ts.

    1. 910chris profile image75
      910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This has to be the longest forum ever!

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Oh, it will haunt them.

        1. Druid Dude profile image59
          Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Does Fluke do Bachelor parties or Bar Mitzvahs?

          1. lovemychris profile image87
            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            All the viagra you want baby!

  26. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    I TOLD my dad...don't tell the doctors you have a problem in your prostate....it's too close to-youknow- "that" area....they may not cover you!

    ...Oh wait.....Male Sex IS covered!!

    But then....why the problem with female sex?

    ::::::Why the problem with female sex???

  27. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Come to think of it....

    Contraceptives prevent abortion...shouldn't that be a good thing?

    Let's see if I have this right....
    You don't want to cover contraceptives, which prevent abortion.
    If it goes to term, and a baby is born, you don't want to pay for any programs that help the mommy and child.

    ...I have to ask :::::Why the problem with females???


    *sung to the tune of bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran*

    Ohhhhh, Miss Miss Miss Misogyny!

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      And let's move off the therapeutic properties of the pill and be a bit more base.
      A good erm relieves stress, counter acts depression, generally tones up the whole system, boosts the immune system, controls weight, reduces the risk of heart attack, and more broadly, makes it less likely that recipients will draw on other aspects of health care.

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Yes! Happy people are better people! Oh wait...and happy people are thinking people. And happy people demand a happy life. And happy people don't need pharmaceuticals to make them happy...

        Barefoot, pregnant,and head down..."Oh I'm such a sinner. Let me contemplate my worthlessness....What's that?? You Church can help me? How do I sign up?"

  28. gmwilliams profile image84
    gmwilliamsposted 13 years ago

    The issue is that Ms. Fluke wanted her university to cover contraceptive care in its health insurance plan.   All health insurances cover contraceptive care.   Isn't better for women to have preventive care than to be saddled with an unwanted child.   No woman should have unwanted children as it is not good for the mother nor for the child.    Women have the right to have access to contraceptive care.

  29. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    In GOP-Land, women only have rights granted to them by the church.

    1. 910chris profile image75
      910chrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      SHHH! Santorum does not want EVERYONE to know that!

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Unfortunately, it's not just him.

  30. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "If you want to oppose affordable access to contraception, the freedom of LGBT people to marry, or the death penalty for that matter, because that's how you interpret your religious faith, you're free to make that case. But the rest of us should stop bowing to professions of personal belief, as though it deserves some untouchable, conversation-stopping stature in the court of public opinion.

    The religious right has had great success in casting issues of sexuality and health as "moral issues," a conscious conflation of morality with religion. It's time to hold those who perpetuate this confusion accountable for the imprecision of their ideas, and for what amounts to a demand that virtually anything goes, so long as someone "believes" it's okay. If you're going to throw the "m" word around -- morality -- you should have to make the case for how the action in question is harming society. The word of God is no longer enough."
    --Nathaniel Frank

  31. Uninvited Writer profile image76
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
    1. lovemychris profile image87
      lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That's funny, and right on the money!

      But it's going to take a long time to undo this damage.

      1,100 anti-woman bills since 2010.

      Futile attempt to maintain power. They're going to see the Mother of all Backlashes!

      Mama's gonna spank them.

  32. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    "The 2009 Recovery Act included TANF Emergency Fund aid. In September 2010, it wasn't renewed."

    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Cut.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good, my sister benefited from it once then when it wasn't paid back wound up on her credit rating lowering her score and ability to borrow money when she needed it. Now she is losing her house, democrats create new Republican voters everyday!

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Since when do you have to pay it back???
        Only have to pay it back if you are collecting, and cheating....like working at the same time.

        And you have to be very poor to get it in the 1st place. And the beneficiaries are mostly kids.

        Are you another one who only cares about them when they are in the womb?

        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, they give that 1000 dollars straight to the kids, why exactly do you bother?

          1. lovemychris profile image87
            lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You do not have to pay back temporary assistance unless you abuse it. Was your sister taking it and working at the same time? That's a Republican thing to do.

      2. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        She's losing her house because she didn't repay a loan!

  33. lovemychris profile image87
    lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

    Women Dems walked out of the House today to protest all this anti-woman legislating.

    Mama's getting her paddle ready.

    1. profile image0
      idratherbeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I would have hoped more then just the Women Dems would have walked out, but that's a start! Women need to unite against men dictating what is best for them. Most men don't have a clue and are always quick to blame the women, instead of holding the men equally to blame in unwanted pregnancy!

      1. lovemychris profile image87
        lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Oh, they are going to get a clue allright!

        They have wakened the beast on this one.

 
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