I do not know if this is a proper way to address this, but I am making a plea for a call to prayer for all those affected in this most dangerous storm's path (many here on HP, our friends, i.e., Colin a.k.a. Epigramman, Joseph De Cross, a.k.a. Lord De Cross, Mary (tillsontitan) from NYC and many others). I am claiming all of His promises in Psalm 91 and praying Psalm 91 for protection over all. Please pray with me!!! Experts say this is a rare hybrid storm of Hurricane Sandy, meeting up with a winter storm and also a coldfront. It will affect over 800 miles of the East Coast to the Great Lakes. NYC is shutting down its mass transit system. I am making a plea to all . . . if you are in an area that is being evacuated, please evacuate. Associated Press just stated, "If you don't evacuate, you are not only endangering your life, you are also endangering the lives of the first responders who are going in to rescue you. . . In a situation like this, you don't want to be overly panicked, but do need to be prudent." Let us all join together in prayer for protection over all. There is power in numbers when praying without a shadow of a doubt. I love you all and I will continue to pray without ceasing. Power may be lost over the next days, and the rest of us will be in limbo not knowing, but I know and trust in the Lord and I lift all up to Him for He is a shelter and our strong tower in time need! We have been through these type of devasting storms in southern USA and know of their devastation, but I know and trust in the Lord too. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Joining you in prayer. I surely do remember storms here for the short time I've been in Alabama(just a matter of years).
How gracious of you, and not surprising at all, that you thought of other people and posted this.
Praying with you from Australia and following on the radio what is happening. God bless you for thinking of putting this on a Forum!
I am joining with your prayer.
May God protect all.
Standing in agreement with you...and your very well stated prayer. Houston, Texas is my home. Understand how bad it can be....but never had to go through one with a cold front simultaneously! Praying for electric power to be restored to hardest hit areas quickly, for transportation to get back to running normal, for repairs of all kinds to come quickly, for food and water to be sent to all areas in need, for any flooded areas to recede in a hurry, and for everyone to just stay safe and warm until things get back to normal. Prayers.
Why are you giving people instructions on how to avoid getting injured or killed? Shouldn't your prayer just cover everyone, whether they seek safety or not? Do you really believe your prayers will save lives, or that your instructions will?
I have been praying and I will continue to pray for all those affected by hurricane Sandy
I'm with you, dear Faith. My BFF, Laura, lives with her family in North Carolina. I've been listening to the news reports that since this hurricane and the series of coinciding weather factors present are compiling to create an unprecedented event, evacuations are being highly recommended. I understand that those in its path only have until tonight to make their decision, as beyond that, it will be too late. I understand that the N.Y. and New Jersey transit systems will be shutdown as of 7 p.m. Storm surges are likely to reach 8' at the coastlines. Power outages are likely to affect 60 million people, with repairs possibly taking weeks. Believe it or not, in addition to a deluge of rain creating flooding, tremendously destructive winds, now I hear that the warm air of the storm meeting the cold east coast air may produce up to 20 inches of snow! These are all just speculation at this point, but forecasters are classifying the consequences as dire.
Thank you for your compassionate invitation to join in praying for those in the path of what yet remains unknown, but carries the possibility of enormous grief.
Most Precious One Amy,
Thank you so much dear one. We will hope for the best and that the Lord shall divert this storm's path away from the coast.
In His Love, Faith Reaper
Hi Faith, THANK YOU for your prayers. My husband and I and our 4 cats,not to mention children and grandchildren are right in its path, we live 200 miles from NYC in the Binghamton area. We are facing possible power outages, flooding and very high winds. The stores are mobbed. We did not get a genarator as we just got back from Lancaster PA...ALL generators are sold out.
The grocery stores are mobbed with people buying water, staples, and batteries are gone, except for the little ones.
Our cellar leaks, and we are okay as long as we can use the water vac, but if we los power, that's another story.
My sister and I are praying in the name of Jesus that this storm does NOT take the turn the weather people are predicting...that God moves the storm out to sea. My niece lives in New Jersey, and my cousin in NYC.
I am praying for ALL those in the path of this storm. They said on the weather channel this is the greatest storm of this generation.
We had horrible flooding a year ago here. But God is in control. It is a moment by moment dependence on God...THANK YOU for this prayer post, Faith. Blessings, Sparklea
I am with you. I will be praying for all to be ok and it will.
God bless you Sparklea. Oh my dear one. I am praying specifically too for all those I know who are in its path. I also know of another who I have not mentioned above, Mike a.k.a., CloudExplorer.who lives in NYC. Please know you and your family and all are all covered in prayer. "Don't be afraid, just believe." Love you all. In His Love, Faith Reaper
THANK YOU FAITH. Winds REAL BAD NOW. PRAYING for no power outages, raining hard. My husband bought a generator, praise the Lord, not hooked up...it would provide light but no heat, but very thankful. I read that over 765,000 are without power so far. Praying for everyone in the path of this horrendous storm. The governor of New York has declared a state of emergency, no one is supposed to be on the roads at all. Blessings, and THANK YOU EVERY SINGLE PERSON FOR YOUR PRAYERS SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. WILL STAY IN TOUCH IF WE DON'T LOSE POWER. SPARKLEA
Praise God, you are safe and you were able to get a generator!!! Yes, I know for sure in NJ, they are without power. Yes, we will pray about your power, and praise Him your husband was able to find a generator! I pray you have a fireplace to stay warm as this strange hybrid storm is a rare combination of hurricane, winter storm and coldfront all colliding together. PRAISE GOD YOU ARE SAFE AND WE KNOW HE WILL CONTINUE TO PROTECT YOU AND ALL AS WELL, AS WE ARE ALL CLAIMING HIS PROTECTION OVER YOU AND ALL IN THE AFFECTED AREAS! Thank you for letting us know of your safety, and please continue to do so when you are able and if your power does go out, as soon as it returns, please let us know you are safe. God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Hi Faith: UPDATE: one of my wonderful Christian hub friends (YOU are, too) told me that he, in the past, had "sent a storm away" through prayer. So my sis and I agreed, in the name of Jesus, to "send it away'...neither of us take ANY credit...however, when I woke up this morning, I learned that the state of emergency had been lifted, the high wind warning is now just an advisory...I even took my morning walk without need of an umbrella! No flooding expected! I think I have thanked God a million times! Yet, my poor cousin in NYC is on the 8th floor of an apartment with NO POWER. Praying for ALL THOSE affected. I have no explanation for these storms, but God is in control. I want to thank you and all my hub friends for your prayers. I will email you within the next couple of days. GOD BLESS and THANK YOU!
He was obviously lying or mentally disturbed.
Meteorologists do have explanations for storms and they don't ever invoke God as the reason.
And, if God was in control, why did innocent people die?
To A Troubled Man: I am unable to answer your question. I never ask God why...about anything. Years ago I did, but I no longer do.
I wrote a hub titled, "The Greatest Pain And The Greatest Peace."
I have concluded (this is just MY opinion) that the greatest pain is loss and the greatest peace is acceptance of life as it is...and trusting God throughout.
That being said, I can only say that I see God in everything, good or bad, and I stand on my dependence on Him.
I believe every single word in the Bible. God gave me life, and He takes life away. We are all headed in that direction. The Bible states "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away."
All of the above is my personal opinion, not a debate or an argument. I totally respect and honor the way others feel about everything.
Thank you for your input and feedback. I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Sparklea
Yes, but unfortunately, your personal opinion is extremely selfish and insulting to those who died, those who lost their homes, etc.
Dearest "A Troubled Man," as stated before, this is simply a plea for prayer forum, not a forum to discuss our beliefs or how effective prayer is, but simply for all those who wish to pray to pray. I see that you have been on HP for 15 months and have not published one hub. Maybe this would be a great opportunity to publish a hub of your own on what it is you wish to discuss here. This is not a forum for debate, we are simply praying. I am praying for you as you state you are a troubled man dear one, and I will pray for you each and every day until I take my last breath on this planet. Go in peace. I love you, and better yet, God does too. I am sure you would get many comments on a hub, if you ever decided to write one here on HP. Being that you have no hubs, it is clear as to your intentions here on HP. I have already twice explained the purpose of the forum, and it is very simple, for those who wish to pray to pray. Thank you, and I ask again that you respect the purpose of this forum and please go and begin your own forum on what it is you feel the need to express. God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper
nature is nature. do not call her personal opinion selfish and insulting when that is the Last thing she Intended. some one need to flag you. there are Rules in hubPages and you are probably breaking them with your overly Disrespectful and Audacious attitude. have some respect, Man.
God bless you dear one. Yes, this is a plea for prayer not a discussion on whether or not God exists or the effectiveness of prayer, not a debate either of our beliefs, just a request for prayers for those who are hurting. If one wants to have a forum on such other issues, then they should go from this forum and have one on such. In His Love, Faith Reaper
"No one said there was a solution. Sometimes the only way to survive is to take evasive maneuvers (sic). Praying is childish nonsense."
To all the religious folks here, I apologise for my non theist colleague's crass and insensitive comments. Sometimes I really really wonder how low people can go.
Anyway my own message to people affected here is that I'm not the praying type, but I sincerely hope you and your loved ones are safe and sound, and that you can recover from this devastating storm. You are in my thoughts, and I'll do my best to help in any practical way I can. Stay safe. Best wishes.
Are you serious? This OP is filled with crass and insensitive comments and is nothing more than a soap box for those to preach their gospel and to insult those who died. How can you possibly defend that?
That's bs. If the OP was telling people to pray instead of taking practical precautions, I'd be the first to criticise. But the OP simply makes a request that people pray for those in harms way, even saying "if you are in an area that is being evacuated, please evacuate".
No, the OP is not insensitive. Criticising people's beliefs while they and others hunker down waiting for a massive storm to hit, or as they are recovering from the devastation, most certainly is.
I don't share the beliefs expressed in the OP, but I do believe we should be able to show basic empathy and compassion for fellow human beings, regardless of whether we agree with their beliefs or not. I don't think laying into the beliefs of people who may be recovering from personal loss, is the best way to show compassion and empathy. Whatever you think of them, it is an undeniable fact that people take solace from their beliefs. At a time of loss, helping those affected is what's important. Criticising their beliefs is not.
Although I left the forum, because of the fact that I understand the mental illness that religion imposes upon its victims, I needed to return to defend myself against this nonsensical and unwarranted criticism of my position.
Don, No one is being insensitive toward the victims of this tragedy. This is a tragedy, I feel badly for the victims. I am no less compassionate about the plight of these victims than the religious fanatics here. I, however, know that prayers does nothing, and is a form of psychosis. It seems that people like you are willing to enable these fanatics on their journey into madness.
How magnanimous of you to assert your superior morals, however, baseless your claim. Again, I join with good people everywhere, in having hope that these victims will find some relief. I will do what I can to help. I, myself, was hit by the storm. My brother lives in NJ, and I talked to him last night. His house is flooded, and he has to share a generator with his neighbor, just to have temporary power, however, praying for him will do nothing but insult him.
I'm glad your brother is okay. The"religious fanatics" you talk about are human beings too, just like him. It just so happens they find comfort and reassurance in the idea of god. The message in the OP is the equivalent of your phone call to your brother. Above and beyond the concrete advice it offered, it also served as an offer of comfort, reassurance and solidarity.
If someone criticised your phone call as being "useless", I'd consider that to be callous, unsympathetic and insensitive. Your call may not have significantly changed material conditions, but that's not the point. It was also a gesture of comfort, reassurance and solidarity.
Likewise I consider your criticism on this thread to be callous, unsympathetic and insensitive. I simply don't believe it's right to criticise people in a time of crisis for offering comfort and reassurance. In addition to practical help, I think it's also important for people to have some source of comfort and reassurance, than to have none. Whether that's a phone call from a brother, a visit from the President, or an offer of prayer, is irrelevant. You seem more interested in asserting your objections to people's beliefs, than offering your own words of support.
Like it or not, you don't get to decide what people take comfort from. I really hope your brother took comfort from your call if that's where he finds it. While people get back on their feet, how about doing the courtesy of allowing them to take comfort where they find it also.
And, that's fine Don, however some here have gone well beyond that to the point of insulting people in a time of crisis. I'm really surprised you don't see that.
The first insensitive comments on this thread were from you and getitrite. Your first comment distastefully gloated that "God is not in a very protective mood." Getitrite's first comment said people were being "childish and silly" in praying. Fine, those are your opinions, but it's crass and insensitive to express those opinions to people who, like Getitrite's own brother, may still be in the process of recovering. Don't care what you believe or don't believe, the aftermath of a major storm is a time for support and solidarity, not criticism.
Hi Faith Reaper.
I will first thank you for the prayer.
Not just for those people that live in those areas that seem to get it each year, they have a lot of courage.
I give thanks to you and pray for a family that are on their first holiday in many years. Namely my son and his wife with their three children (grandchildren). They had a flight on Friday from the UK to Orlando for 2 weeks. The only good thing is "No news is good news". I'm not to sure how the storm is at the moment. I've seen that NY is getting ready for it, so does that mean it has past Florida??? Here's hoping.
Thank YOU dear one, and I will pray for your dear family . . . your son and his wife with their three precious children (your grandchildren)!!! Yes, it is hitting hard on the East Coast right now. NY, NJ are being pounded and I know they have lost power. God bless you and your family. In His Love, Faith Reaper
I`M WITH YOU IN PRAYER! RARE STORM, HOWEVER WE HAVE A RARE GOD, GREATER THAN ANYTHING!!! LETS BELIEVE FOR PROTECTION!
Dearest Sister Pearlmacb,
God bless you for also praying with us all. We do have a rare God, greater is He than anything in this world!!! We will claim His protection over all! Amen dearest Sister! In His Love, Faith Reaper
Amen! Today, I pray we will hear good reports overweigh the bad!
So much company, I too will join. Anyway it's better than doing something. And if it can protect cats, so much the better.
A Troubled Troll,
God bless you dear one for joining us in prayer. God is all knowing, all powerful and ever-present. We will claim His protection in Psalm 91 and pray Psalm 91 for protection over all, and animals and pets too. In His Love, Faith Reaper
God Bless you dear Faith Reaper for your prayers for those in the path of this dangerous storm. I too have been praying and worrying. I have been and will continue to follow the news updates and hope that our dear hub friends will be safe in the arms of our Lord who will protect them at this time.
Dearest Minnetonka Twin,
God bless you too dear one for praying also. Yes, there are many HP friends who are being pounded on right at this minute and who have lost power. We are praying a special hedge of protection over all. In His Love, Faith Reaper
The following are some of our HP friends (who I know of) who are in the affected area, please pray specifically for all:
Lord De Cross
Prayers to all in harms way! May God protect you and keep you safe, warm, and dry...in Jesus Name
Joining you all in prayer for anyone in Sandy's path. Also, just in case anyone disagrees with the statement that praying is "better than doing something," here's something else we can do. Let God's mercy work through us:
God bless you dear one for praying too. Amen on God's mercy! Oh, cool, thanks for the Red Cross link!! In His Love, Faith Reaper
Uh, the Red Cross is not a religious organization and God does not work through it.
I didn't say it was, nor did I say God would work through it, although it wouldn't surprise me if He does. I posted the link for anyone interested in taking direct action. I said let God work through us.
just ignore him. he is famous for this attitude which is very oppositional to the light.
Yes Dear Kathryn,
Light and darkness cannot occupy the same space. We will pray for all here, especially. As Christ first loved us, we are able to love them as well. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
I believed in the power of collective calling and praying. So, count me in Faith....my bestfriend since childhood lives in NJ. I spoke to her yesterday and they're bracing Sandy with prayers.
Hi Sister CrisSp!
God bless you dear one. Yes, there is power in numbers no doubt. I will pray for your childhood bestfriend living in NJ. I know they have lost power as of now. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Just found this Faith and I have been watching and praying all day so yes I join you and all the others. 60,000 or more in danger so there cannot be too many of us. I hope many more will join in with many days to go in this catastrophe.
Thanks Dearest Jackie,
God bless you dear one. Yes, all need to be on broad praying for all concerned and many who are our friends right here on HP. Yes, even after tonight, as you have stated, there will be many more days to go in this rare hybrid of a terrifying storm. We have family in NY, and they are doing fine at the moment, and they have a generator.
In His Love, Faith Reaper
They just said on the news that 1.6 million people in New Jersey are without power, and that if there is any way one can leave now, please leave now, as they cannot come in and rescue anyone now due to the storm surge. Please let us all continue praying!!! In His Love, Faith Reaper
Praying for each and everyone in the path of the storm. I hope and pray for all to be safe and sound.
Sorry folks, God is not in a very protective mood.
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Well it seems that your prayers didn't work at all. Here where I live, the storm hit last night with a destructive force. Many people are without power, and roads are flooded. Can't you people see just how childish and silly it is to try to pray something away?
Try to get help from the theory of relativity, instead.
Or these praying hubbers should just send cash or supplies, or their time, since prayer obviously doesn't work. Put simply, prayer is a way of pretending to help, while doing absolutely nothing. How noble!...?
Yet....your negativity towards the ones praying...is doing wonders for the situation...
It's doing just as much as prayer, which does absolutely nothing. While believers fool themselves into believing they have some kind of magical powers, reality goes on around them, proving their prayers to be silly childish whims or wishes. What a USELESS way of pretending to help...in this serious situation!
For those that believe and have witnessed first-hand what God can do...Prayer...is this most excellent thing they can be doing. Far greater then whatever man can do on his/her own!
Unfortunately, in this case, we have seen what God can't do, witnessed first-hand by millions, despite prayer.
nature and the earth do what they do. it is science. we are at the mercy of natural phenomenon. of course prayers help mankind who was made by God, who loves every last one of us... even you two.
Thanks so much for your lovely comments dear one. God does love all and prayers do help mankind. Amen. God bless you and all who commented here ----ALL. In His Love, Faith Reaper
It's very sad believers are compelled to abuse the misfortune of others in order to stand on their soap boxes and preach the gospel.
A Troubled Man has been on HP for 15 months and has not published one hub, but comes on a simply plea for prayer for those suffering and leaves nasty comments. I believe he is also "A Troubled Woman" who is bannned, but she is coming on here too leaving nasty comments. It would be fine if the forum is to discuss our beliefs our discuss the effectiveness of prayer or our believe in whether or not there is a God, but that is not the point of the forum. Thank you.
Yet, that is exactly what you're doing along with insulting those who died in the process.
How does it insult the dead whose souls live on as God wills it? Admit it, why don't you, that it only insults YOU. Isn't that more accurate?
Thanks manlypoetryman for praying. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Try to assert your diatribe to a person who has lost an organ. You'll find out what praying is. Internet forums come cheap.
No one is trying to force anything on anyone here dear one. I see that you a very new to HP, WELCOME!!! I will explain this one more time, the purpose of THIS forum is to simply request prayer for those who actually wish to pray. This is not a forum to discuss the issues you are speaking of, and you are free to do so in a forum of your very own, and I am sure you will get many comments dear one. Go in peace. I love you, and better yet God loves you. We all have been through many trials and tribulations in this lifetime and we will continue to go such trials until the end of our days on this planet. I will pray for you each and every single day of my life until my life ends here on this planet. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Then we must pretend that we are trying to find a scientific solution of the problem. How noble!
No one said there was a solution. Sometimes the only way to survive is to take evasive maneuvers. Praying is childish nonsense.
getitright, be quiet. you are getting it wrong.
Ok. What if I told you that I had a magic horse shoe, and that if you touched it, you would be cured of cancer? Would that appear to be sound to you? That's how silly prayer is. No difference...both are superstitious nonsense.
they are praying to God. the spirit that created all life... including Yours. God is a spirit of Love. try feel with your heart what is going on in this forum. Don't be argumentative. That is a boundary for you, for the sake of harmony and love Of all concerned and For all concerned.
Yes, dear one, we are praying for all, even every single person who has commented here. God is love ---divine love. Thank you for your prayers for all concered. Agape love to all here and to all affected by the storm. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Speak for yourself. Your 2000 year old book of childish fairy tales had absolutely nothing to do with creating me. How offensive. You are talking to the ceiling, that's all.
You are promoting fraud, and I'm just pointing it out, by stating the truth that: PRAYERS DOES NOT WORK. It's a way of pretending to help, while doing absolutely nothing.. The victims of this hurricane deserve more than that.
Please be mindful that the purpose of this forum is to request prayer for all affected by the devastion in the path of this storm. Of course, there will be loss of life, devastation and hurting people when there is a disaster. When our nation has had such disasters in the past, people pray and come out in droves and come together to help one another like never before. Here, in the south, we had devasting storms like none ever seen before just last year, and people came together in prayer and in action, as of course people were hurting and needed a helping hand, which I know will happen here. We, the people of this great Nation, will come out and give a hand and help others like never seen before. Those who have lost loved ones or are hurting, need our continued prayers. I will not be home until after 6:00 p.m. to comment any further, and I am not sure if this comment will even go through. Once agin, please do not come on this prayer forum, if you do not wish to participate in prayer. That is fine. The purpose of this forum is to pray and especially now, continue to pray. Thank you so much, and please respect the purpose of this forum here. God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Pray all you want if it helps you justify doing nothing, just leave God out of it.
In other words, let the insanity continue, and pretend as if prayer is actually doing something. Why can't you just be satisfied by the fact that people came together in ACTION? Action is what causes change. Prayer does nothing. But believers will still drive themselves to madness, doing a completely useless and absurd act.
I have explained the purposes of this forum three times now, and that is simply for those who wish to pray to pray. It is not a forum for debate as to each of our beliefs, which we do have a choice to make as relates to this issue, but that issue is not what this forum is concerning. If you wish to begin a forum on that issue, then please do so dear one. I am sure you will get many comments. I will pray for you each and every single day for the rest of my days here on this earth. I love you, and better yet God loves you! Go in peace. In His Love, Faith Reaper
OK. But please don't waste your time praying for me. That's very insulting, since you have, obviously, read my views on prayer. I know that it doesn't work. There are studies that prove that. So I respectfully ask that you not include me in this useless delusional activity. Also, your tone is very condescending, but maybe that's just your style.
Go in peace dear one. I have no tone or insults for anyone, as you have come onto this forum with such as you speak of, and once again this is not a forum on anyone's beliefs, and we are all free to believe how we so choose to believe, no one here is stating otherwise, but this is simply a plea for prayer for those needing prayer. You are free to go and have a forum of your very own where you discuss these issues. In His Love Always, Faith Reaper
My friends and family in the storm area are seeing some relief from the storm's wrath, but still without electricity. They are making the best of the situation. The post storm activities will include clean up and restoration, this is the time when they also will need to be covered in prayer. Many times unforeseen dangers exist and cause further complications. After hurricane Wilma in 2005, many people were injured (and worse I'm afraid) due to traffic lights out, flooded areas, looting and loss of shelter. Praying for all and knowing that God will provide.
Yes, now, it is of the upmost importance that we all continue to cover your friends, family and all in prayer dear one. Yes, God will provide. And we will see many who will come out and lend a hand to their neighbors, as we always do pull together in a time of great disaster as Americans. God bless you. We pray for those families who have lost loved ones in this horrific storm. Thank you for praying and for continuing to pray, especialy now in the aftermath of such devastation. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Just wanted to add to your list a hubber I follow, SuperMom_NY.
Thanks for your great faith. Your encouragement is doing great wonders.
Giving blood is a good way to support people in catastrophes if can't donate time & money.
Barometric pressure bottomed at 27.76 inches during Sandy superstorm - a near record low. Standard at sea level is around 29.92 inches of mercury. This low PSI will make your joints hurt - an infinitesimal sample of having the bends and a hyperbaric chamber will relieve the pain.
Hi Lady E,
Amen! Thank you for joining in praying, especially now, in the aftermath of this terrible storm. We know that all we come together and lend each other a hand as we always do here when there is a disaster. That is what makes us great, that we do show up and lend a hand and help out others in time of trouble by prayer and by actions. God bless you dear one. In His Love, Faith Reaper
He didn't, isn't that obvious? People died and all you believers can do is praise God. Disgusting behavior.
Quite so! Doesn't it matter though that a jerk is alive to abuse others?
Dearest "A Troubled Woman",
You have been BANNED FROM HP. God bless you. I am sorry you have been abused, and I will pray for you each and every day for the rest of my life concerning this. I love you, and better yet God does too. We all have been through our own trials and tribulations in this life. The purpose of this forum is simply to request prayer for those who wish to pray. Go in peace. In His Love, Faith Reaper
A Troubled Woman, you are BANNED FROM HP. I have no idea to what you are referring, but I will pray for you if that is the reason you have come on this prayer forum, then as I said before, I will pray for you each and every single day until my last breath. God bless. Peace. In His Love, Faith Reaper
i can't believe i didn't know about it until late last night...asleep at the wheel i guess....phoned ma mere this a.m. since it was moving north into Canada as well....calmed down though in her area
I am glad "ma mere" area had calmed down. Over the weekend, I had my two granddaughters up, so I had been totally clueless too, unltil I saw a comment about storm from another hubber on another hub, and I thought, oh my, I need to get busy praying for all, especially now too, in the aftermath of its devastation. God bless. In his Love, Faith Reaper
Many were blessed. This could have been so much worse in life loss. Yes our prayers are still needed and let's pray for the unbelievers too, for God's hour is near and there will be no more opportunity for those. The knock is at the door. It is a very exciting time and may our prayers go out for revival in the world to bring many in before that day comes. Death for believers is simply walking through one door into another. No damnation and no judgement, in this life or the next.
Bless your prayer group Faith, and keep it strong in Christ. Amen.
So, those who were not 'blessed' died? Do we praise God because more didn't die? How many must die before we stop praising God? How about the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands a few years back or the one that devastated Japan?
So, you too are taking the pulpit in order to preach the gospel at the expense of those who died, lost their homes, etc.
Have you folks no shame at all?
Rightly said, brother! There is no G_d, and if even if it exists, it is actually a satanic entity. Therefore we must now pray to the theory of relativity for protection.
No, it is hopeless... and I am just making it worse. I cannot get these insensitive ego-maniacs to leave. So I will politely bow out. God Speed, Faith Reaper, with your continued and undaunted prayers.
What is insensitive and egotistic are those who stand on soap boxes preaching the gospel at the expense of those who experienced loss. Why can't you see that?
Thank you so much dearest Kathryn, and I appreciate your prayers. God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Dearest "A Troubled Woman," I see you have been BANNED here from HP. I will pray for you and your counterpart "A Trouble Man" each and every day of my life, as it is evidenT you are a very troubled woman. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Oh my, Faith Reaper, your prayer and all the loving prayers of other hubbers who have been responding to it really touched my heart.
The destruction in Sandy's wake, particularly in my neighboring state of NJ and in NYC, is terrible, and sadly some lives were lost, but there weren't nearly as many deaths or injuries as could have occurred so I do believe prayers for protection have been helpful and thank you so much for leading this one.
Up until a few hours before landfall, Sandy was looking like it was going to make a direct hit in my home state of DE, but we were spared the brunt of Sandy's force and our beaches, though flooded, did not experience the devastation that our poor neighbors have endured. I too, have been praying for everyone that was and still is being effected.
May God watch over all of us as the many people and states that are affected go into recovery mode.
Praise God for your safety and letting us know you are safe!!! Thank you for your constant prayers, as they are still needed now in this aftermath of Sandy no doubt. Yes, I know that New Jersey was hit so hard and NYC, and that our fellow hubber, Joseph, Lord De Cross, is safe also. Praise God! We must continue to pray for those families who are suffering the loss of loved ones. Yes, may God watch over all of us. I know that when our country is struck by devastation, our neighbors, friends and all come out to lend a hand and pull together despite any differences and build each other up again. God bless you dear one for this post. I am praying continually. In His Love Always, Faith Reaper
Just wanted you to know that hubber tillsontitan who I believe is on your hubber prayer list just commented a while ago to another hubber I follow. So hopefully tillsontitan is doing o.k.
You are doing a great work, FaithReaper. God is certainly watching over you and your family and all others. Thanks so much for putting this on the forum.
Was God watching over those who died? Shameful behavior.
No, He was bringing attention to the those ignoring the situation, which He often does, and in Revelations vows vengence on those who in their hearts (whose depth of darkness is so deep within that others cannot see it plainly on earth in the material world) will be faced with their own countenance face-to-face in the world to come. The dark secrets of the heart always manifest as "guilt" and manifested guilt reveals itself in the hate you demonstrate here in this forum. Those projections will manifest themselves as projections of the "self" reflected back in the world to come. That is the hell. Revelations is about the unconscious and the spilling of unconscious contents that were never faced in the life lived, like the feelings of hate or guilt we harbored towards others. But I ask, if you do not believe in God and have the conviction in your heart of His non-existence, why would you even be moved to write on this forum? That people live in the hope of something greater in this life and beyond, why does it perturb you? Have confidence in your unbelief and demonstrate that courage of unbelief by leaving those you deem more lowly than yourself alone. Why not? Be a proud atheist and have the courage of your convictions. It should not matter to you at all - if you have such a conviction - that others believe in something you do not. Rather, your rude commenting demonstrates a hatred that reveals a "guilt" or some other manifestation. Don't you agree? I mean, if someone believes in a God that you regard as nothing more than a Santa Claus, so what?
And yet, here we have another believer preaching. Use any reason to get the gospel out there no matter what. No shame or morals whatsoever.
All you got to do is just leave the forum. Just like one turns the channel on the TV or radio, or just like one doesn't buy one kind of magazine or another. I mean, why does it insult you? Ah, poor baby.
And I wasn't preaching the gospel either. I was stating a rationality, like Voltaire, an atheist did also, when he said that if there were not a God man would create one. He had compassion in that statement because he knew how difficult life is for the living, and the vast nature of the universe. He never felt guilty about his unbelief, and he had no contempt for those who sought a power higher than themselves to get through it all. He never condemned or found it insulting that others believe. Your contempt on the other hand shows "guilt". There is no other way to look at it, like in Genesis when it says, "We are verily guilty." It is true as we know the psychologists tell us that most of the contempt people have towards others comes from guilt. Don't feel guilty. Have conviction in what you believe. This is the United States of America and you can believe what you want.
Oh no, you're not preaching.
Yes, folks are free to insult anyone they want with their irrational beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have any respect or morals.
I am responding to the insults you leveled against those who believe, as though what they believe is "insulting" to you. Wow, how depraved.
So, you feel you are compelled to insult the families and friends of those who died, yet I'm the one who is depraved for pointing that out. No morals whatsoever.
How is it insulting to those that died? Do you want me to believe your pureness of heart is in deference to those that died simply because you do not believe? And who is a measure of the heart any way? You? Me? Us? It is as though you are s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g to find SOMETHING truly profane in the hearts of those who believe, as though the extroverted material world or what anyone says has relevance at all. It's ridiculous.
Simple really, it invokes a person's or group's particular belief system in that their God watches over some but not others, which is evident for those who died and those who didn't. If those who died do not share that particular belief system, their family and friends would be extremely insulted to hear they died because YOUR God did not protect them.
It's exactly the same as the woman who was pulled from the rubble of a disaster some days later and she proclaimed that Jesus saved her, while the bodies of the dead lay strewn around her. Do you understand?
Death means nothing to God, but life is everything. People who have died go to a better place, a place of rest. Death is not final. That persons survive a great calamity or disaster and others thank God that some survived speaks to the transcendance of others who died as well. You have probably heard of one or another who after a disaster remained trapped for days and weeks still conscious of their own life and waiting for rescue. That kind of existence is worse than death, much worse. To be thankful for survivors and to pray for those that died does not discriminate against those that died.
And, to Gods followers, that is unless it affects their own families and friends.
Wow, you just don't get it. Very sad, indeed.
No one wants a loved one to die. But life goes on after this life. You don't get it. If a Christian believes in life beyond this life, how does THAT discriminate against those who do not believe? Christians believe in a "soul" that is transcendent. How would the thoughts or prayers of a believer be contemptible to a dead soul? You still have not made your case as to WHY Christians are contemptible or because "they do not care about the dead that do not believe" as meaningful? What does that mean? Do you put the Christian's belief above your own? Do you exalt them so high and above you to have such contempt? I don't get it. Why do you put them above you?
If we follow the dots of your logic than any mother who lost one child in a storm but had another who survived is contemptible because she is happy to have one child alive. Is this your logic? SHOW ME THE LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except your God who allegedly protected some but not others.
I didn't need to, you and others here have shown that in spades.
If you stood in front of that mother telling her that God protected one child and not the other, she would probably punch your lights out.
Knowing that a child or loved one is with God is comforting. Many of a believer - and I know one - was angry to have a child taken from them. But after years of bitterness and emotional struggle, they came to know and believe they would be reunited one day with their child. Death is not the end of life and it should not be feared, but this DOES not diminish the pain and finality of death of loved ones. So, again, tell me, since you cannot measure with your eyes the degree of love in one's heart, are you counting yourself as extremely GOOD because you say you do not believe anything so therefore you are more kind than those that do believe BECAUSE you regard both the dead and the living as both worthy BUT THEN go on to chastise those that believe because you THINK they have no regard for the dead or living? As the bible says, "Let the dead bury the dead." You have still not answered my first question. How is it that you can measure the depths of another's heart simply because they are praying for the dead and the living? IT IS YOU, SIR, THAT have no heart for the living.
He is kind of a case study for us who believe in God. He's here for the sole purpose of aggravating believers of God. Instead of all this athiest-based ranting, he could channel his energy into something more conducive toward his own happiness... or at least something that will make him feel less troubled. But you know, he is troubled. He admits it himself, through what he has named himself. So, perhaps we can send him our love, forgiveness and pray that God grants him mercy for whatever is troubling him. After that, we can just ignore him. Without us giving him feedback, he will get bored. Our job is to not get aggravated to the point of responding to him in any way.
True, the believers job is to preach the gospel at the expense of others.
Oh, no. There is nothing wrong to give back what is spewed out and to defend the faith. Too many Christians are being exploited and accused of "preaching" a false "morality." Not combating our right to believe what we want to believe in this country is what it is all about. As Billy Graham said, "You can't convert anyone. You can be only a lighthouse that leads them" (paraphrazed). To ignore the irrationality of argument is to ignore completely the absence of thought behind it, which only leads to a stagnation of the truth. I used to believe what you write here, but I have seen so much unjustified persecution of Christians caused by other Christians "turning a blind eye" and I am sick of it. One can't help others by ignoring them. One confronts them head on.
Yes, there are many Christians who defend their faith, no matter what, that's why your religion causes so much conflict and hatred in the world.
Excuse me? Are you being exploited and persecuted? Are not protected by law to believe whatever you want and to practice your beliefs?
You will find non-believers will stand right beside you and defend your right to believe.
Good point. But non-believers would like to see all religion annihilated, as you wrote in your previous posts about religion causing all the death and war. History tells a different story however; more genocides and mass murders were caused by secularism than religion. Christianity is not a religion; it is a philosophy that belongs to the individual. It is not "collective." It is individually based as Buddhism is individually based.
No one ever said religion causes ALL the death and war, but it certainly had it's fair share of causing death and wars. And, although there are many non-believers who stand up to the irrational beliefs of religion, there are few if any demanding it's annihilation. Non-believers understand that religions will eventually go the way of the dodo sometime in the future, but the question is whether or not religions will allow us to survive that long.
That has been argued ad nauseum and has shown to be false.
Sorry, but Christianity is a religion by definition.
Your comment about secularism NOT causing more genocides and mass murders as "false" is FALSE. It certainly is a historical fact that "collectivism" which is invariably formed by "secularism" has killed more life on this planet than religion.
LOL, sorry but collectivism is synonymous with socialism or communism, not secularism. Try to get your facts straight.
You're free to peruse this article to see if the word secularism pops up anywhere. It doesn't.
And both communism and socialism is controlled, invariably, by secularists. Get your facts straight.
Whether they are or not does not preclude the fact you're wrong about the definitions.
Of course, in both communist and socialist countries, most if not all were believers and continued to practice their beliefs behind closed doors.
I take note of the fact you wrote they practiced religion "behind closed doors."
Yes, they did. And, if the countries socialist or communist governments fell, like that of the Soviet Union, believers were free to practice their beliefs in public again, and they do.
Not by any good graces of the socialist but for the show of face of government. Many Orthodox Christians face enormous prejudices that the individualism of a capitalistic system (practiced in its pure form) would extinguish completely. In fact the indivdualistic capitalistic system allows for unbelief too!
And yet, we already know that is entirely false based on the freedom of religion.
In Russia this is true. I was answering your false notion that socialism and communism is kind to religion. That is FALSE. In fact, under these forms of argument there is more intolerance to religious belief than capitalism.
So, now you must resort to dishonestly putting words in my mouth. How very sad.
Communism is not kind to a great many things, religion just being one amongst many. If you take the time to understand communism, you'll see that.
You ought to take the time to understand Christianity to understand what I was responding to.
I probably understand Christianity as well if not better than you, and communism, and morals... etc.
If you understood morals then you would know that what is moral comes out of what is "just" and what is "just" can only be from the heart. Philosophers have been arguing what is moral for thousands of years, it being relative; whereas what is just can only be in the heart of the individual and EXEMPT from another's view UNLESS a law of the land is broken. Your contempt of Christianity is immoral because you make a sweeping judgment, and that is immoral and it is from the heart.
Sorry, but that is false, that is what religions teach in order to justify their heinous acts towards those who don't share the faith.
Morals have evolved along with us.
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There is NOTHING religious about what I said here. Read Voltaire (he was an atheist)
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire
All sects are different, because they come from men; morality is everywhere the same, because it comes from God. Voltaire
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted. Voltaire
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. Voltaire
Our Justice system is designed to try to measure the heart: 1st degree murder is charged if it can be proven "intent" and plan to kill, in example. A drunk may be "immoral" but it does not mean he is more evil than one that is moral and sober. What is "moral" comes from what is "just" since morality is derived and shaped by injustices that harm others either in the emotions or physical body and are components of the heart, mind and will, the countenance of a person. Our whole system of laws comes from what is "just" and morality is simply a response to that. That is why there are passages in the bible that are deemed "offensive" to readers, for God is just before he is moral.
It wouldn't show up there since most secularists do not want it to show up there. Read books like "Road to Serfdom" and other historians. If secularism were touted as being the belief of the authoritarians who move for communistic or socialist regimes, those regimes would not be built. Socialism by its very structure hates the individual. Capitalism exalts the individual. Hitler called himself a Christian to win power from the people, even though his last regiment - near the end of the war - was ordered to kill as many "religious" persons as possible. Historical fact.
Odd - Christ said not to confront others head on. See how that is not being a lighthouse at all? Is giving back what is spewed out when your religion always strikes the first blow, and I do mean - always - the same as turning the other cheek?
Odd your religion needs "defending." Why is that exactly?
That is what I am doing: I am turning the other cheek. Jesus Christ never told us to remain "speechless." And it is not true that it says not to confront the other head on. A Christian can defend their lives and what they believe. Jesus Christ's own guards held swords to defend Him from harm. That I speak in defense of belief does not mean I am not "turning the other cheek." It has no relevance to that statement. There is a time to "flee" the devil, and their is a time to "stare" at him right in the eye and not waver or fear, and there are bible verses for both. As for curse words I use, that I admit - boy am I a sinner when it comes to that. I do admit it. But so did Isaiah when he said, "Woe to me and my filthy mouth." The problem with secularists is that they live with a black verus white kind of thinking. They have problems with dichotomies. They look "extrovertedly" for "evidence" of goodness, even when they know the one smiling in their face could just as easily stab them in the back and take their wallet. You don't get it. You don't think deep enough. Think beyond relativity. Think deep to the core and then your assessment of what it means to turn the other cheek has a meaning deeper than what you think means. Hint: When a man commits adultry in his heart by looking on another woman, what does his heart say with regard to his wife?
Let me get this straight.
There is a problem with secularists? I don't get it? I don't think deep enough? Jesus Christ had armed guards ready to kill people to defend him? Confronting head on is "turning the other cheek"?
Perhaps you could quote where Jesus said to confront people head on? Not your imaginary bad guy - people.
And the bit about the armed guards he had - I have honestly never heard that one.
He most certainly did have armed guards ready to defend him from harm in his ministry. "Turning the other cheek" does not mean letting people attack you. If a Christian has someone comes up to them with a knife, he or she can defend themselves like anyone else. Luke 22:36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Repeating it doesn't really help. I am well aware that Christianity is a violent, war mongering religion. 2,000 years of wars testify to that.
But - I still would like you to show me the reference to armed guards and the bit where Jesus tells you to confront people head on - and that is the same as turning the other cheek.
When one "turns the other cheek" it is in reference to words from individuals to individuals, not in a public forum where posts are made with sweeping unbridled prejudice and contempt. That is defensible. And while you ONLY know of Christians killing in the name of "religion" you fail to mention all the slaughter of them. You ought to read about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire to understand that there is NOT ONE group of people on earth that cannot be convicted of war or murders, which begs the question, why don't we all see how there are people in all types of groups who rise above others. Your impartial analysis shows your own prejudice. As for facing evil head on, read "fear no evil" (Ps. 23:4); Whom shall I fear (Ps 27:1); I am looking right now for the verse having to do with facing the devil - or evil - head on without fear and will come back and provide it.
I am not evil or the devil. I am beginning to wonder if you have actually read this book.
Any time you want to point to the bit where Jesus tells you to confront people (not evil or the imaginary devil) head on instead of turning the other cheek when they are violent towards you, please do so.
The thing with the armed guards ready to kill to defend Jesus as well.
I never said you were "evil" or the "devil." You asked about confronting others "head on" and that being Christian does not mean being not willing to defend ones self. This is a forum that you replied in and I responded. Now you try to turn it around to fit your view. And the full phrase is, "If someone smite you in the face, then turn the other cheek" is completely in line with what I am doing here, even now. How is it not? You obviously don't understand the book at all. That I am speaking the truth of what you are saying is not contrary to the command to "turn the other cheek," Not at all. It is you that does not understand what is written here, taking a sentence out of the whole Book and then resting an entire philosophy and command that all Christians are not Christian if they don't lay down and keep silent when you speak contempt and then holding them in contempt as "not being good." Oh, my, how good you are. Aren't you soooooooooooo good.
And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." -Luke 22:35-38
Here is the defense of guards for Jesus:
And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." -Luke 22:35-38
And here is a link to the discussion http://vftonline.org/XianAnarch/pacifism/luke22.htm
Interesting. I never heard that interpreted to mean Jesus had armed guards ready to defend him. Having said that - as we both agree - Christians are pretty aggressive and ready to kill, so it does not surprise me at all.
But - this was said at the last supper - right?
Nowhere in this forum has the aggressiveness been greater than from those that do not believe. That being said, your comments are infinitely more volatile and prejudice than any Christians. Again, why be on this forum if your intent is not to be aggressive and spread hate? I am sure you would not do so on any other religious forum, like a Jewish or Muslim forum. And secularist by the way have killed more people in atrocities than all the religions combined.
If you are calling anyone a "killer" for defending their life, well, that is just evidence on its face that there is some "guilt" boiling under the surface of your hate. Jesus did say He would be hated without a cause, and the people that believed in Him would be hated without a cause too.
Please stop lying about me - I never said any such thing. Lying about people and accusing them of things they did not do sounds like a "cause" to me.
What hate is this? All I did was ask you some questions. If I am guilty of "hating" self righteous hypocrites who lie about others - so be it. I was more interested in the armed guards ready to kill to defend Jesus as he went about his "mission." Especially as - according to you - he only armed them the day before he was executed. I had never heard this before. Still waiting for you to show me how "confronting people head on" is the same as "turning the other cheek." In any case - How can you hate some one who never existed?
Little wonder your religion causes so many conflicts.
You wrote Christians are "violent" and I responded to that remark, so I was not "lying"; and you continue in the text you wrote here, for which I am replying, the same hateful tone. Anyone looking at the remarks made by you can see plainly who is more filled with hate.
One example of many is this: ""hating" self righteous hypocrites who lie about others " and if you believe Jesus Christ was a man who did not exist than why contribute to this forum at all? It is curious, isn't it, that you would bother to confront those you deem are imagining fanciful things about a Savior and Lord, is it not? It speaks on its face to the fact that there is "doubt" within you that you would be so hateful. For what purpose does it serve you to argue with those you consider "self-righteous hypocrites" if there belief is so far into the ditch of unbelief as to even provoke this response? It is amazing. From a psychological point of view, any psychologist would conclude from your remarks and hostility that you have "doubt" or that you "want to know more." That being said, this forum began with a discussion of mere "prayer" for those suffering catastrophe, which prompted attack from nonbelievers. How many comments do you see on forums for atheism that attack with callous and hateful speech at them from Christians? If Christians are deemed "lunatic" and they write things like "Jesus will save you from your sins," etc., why not ignore it? And if deemed lunatic, why is it not "shrugged off" as meaningless? My father was an atheist and he never cared what believers thought of him and he never engaged in speech with ANY of them. As to your question about confronting evil head on, there are countless versus about confronting evil, one of which begins, "Put on the breastplate of armor of God..." in the face of evil. It is here http://bible.cc/ephesians/6-11.htm if you want to read more about it.
Just want you to stop causing so much conflict. Is that too much to ask? I haven't attacked you at all - I asked a couple of questions which you have not answered. I never asked you about confronting evil head on. Please stop lying about me. Thank you.
I don't doubt and want to know more actually - just trying to ascertain where your aggression towards non believers comes from. Why do you hate so much?
Where did Jesus tell you to confront people head on?
In answer to where does Jesus say to confront people head on, I answered that question in my previous response to you, as well as throughout our discussion. People have a right to defend themselves and when they accuse false one of false charges, one follows the prouncement and explanation set forth in Eph. 6:11 which I provided. And don't say I am "lying" about your contemptuous comments simply because those comments are hidden from view. You are indeed lying and I am right now confronting you "head on". You're lying, completely lying about what you said. I repeat, you said "Christians all are violent" (see previous post) and "hyprocrites" (see previous post) and you make SWEEPING judgments as if common sense precludes you from stating other SWEEPING generalizations. This is simply just as prejudice and hate-filled as saying, "All Jews are liars and hypocrites" or "All African Americans and Hispanics and Muslims are violent". How is your statements any different than what you said about Christians? Every religious group and every racial group has in its midst people who have negative as well as positive qualities, but your intention to make malicious and SWEEPING generalizations about Christians shows your hate and prejudice. So you are either lying to yourself, or hiding your previous comments to make yourself look good, and, thus, lying here.
And, Mark, your desire to know more and to make peace is what I would like too by the way. I would like an intellectual discussion conducted in a peaceful manner. Let us do it; however, because I am writing a document right now I may not be able to respond to our back and forth until later tonight or tomorrow. Have a good day and I look forward to our discussion. THANK YOU!
I never said the things you keep saying I said. Please stop lying about me - thanks.
You can always quote me you know.
Nothing I have written is hidden.
Mark, Quote from you : Repeating it doesn't really help. I am well aware that Christianity is a violent, war mongering religion. 2,000 years of wars testify to that.
Quote from you: "Christians are pretty aggressive and ready to kill, so it does not surprise me at all," which you wrote when I shared the quote about Jesus' guards who had swords to protect him.
2,000 years of wars testify to Christianity as a "war-mongering" religion? If that were true, which it obviously is not, then why has the population in the developed world quadrupled since the dawn of a Western Civilization that began after the death of Christ and was built upon "the individual"? It was Mao who killed 25 million and Hitler who killed over 15 million (we forget the Kulaks and Polish Catholics, along with the Jews that were slaughtered by him), both of whom were proud secularists. Oh, and don't forget Pol Pot! It is not that Christianity is violent. It is secularism that has always been violent against the tenets of individualism and Capitalism, not because they do not believe it works, it is because the foundations of Western Civilization come from Christianity. To them, it is better to have a different system even if it means many must die to build it, where they order others about and curse them to attone for guilt and self-loathing.
Sorry - lost me. It is OK that Christianity has been at war for 2,000 years because why again?
Hitler was a Christian doing God's work.
If you think Christians are pacifists - please show me that in action. You just got off telling me Christ had armed guards ready to kill for him.
Are you not ready to kill?
The foundations of Western Civilization are based on war and exploitation.
Hitler was not a Christian; he just passed himself off as that to gain power. Fact: The last army he dispensed at the end of World War II was ordered to "kill all people of religious faith." That is a FACT, and the Jews and Christians (Kulaks) and Polish Catholics were killed because it was "religion" that rubbed Hitler the wrong way in that he was "jealous" (particularly of the Jews) and had a great sense of inferiority in that the Jews practiced "capitalism" within a socialistic construct. That they became wealthy because of it and that they did not regard him as the "artist" he thought he was riled him. He was a non-believer and "secularist." Quote from history:
"That in Germany it was the Jew who became the enemy until his place was taken by the “plutocracies” was no less result of the anti-capitalist resentment on which the whole movement was based than the selection of the kulak in Russia. In Germany and Austria the Jew had come to be regarded as the representative of capitalism because a traditional dislike of large classes of the population for commercial pursuits had left these more readily accessible to a group that was practically excluded from the more highly esteemed occupations. It is the old story of the alien race’s being admitted only to the less respected trades and then being hated still more for practicing them. The fact that German anti-Semitism and anti-capitalism spring from the same root is of great importance for the understanding of what has happened there, but this is rarely grasped by foreign observers.” The Road to Serfdom, which contains quotes also from the French, English and German historians, economists and philosophers of that period.
Finally, at least now you're admitting that you said Chrisitianity was violent, whereas before you said it was not. See you did "lie" and you said that I was lying. Who's the liar?
Here's a great history link regarding our topic:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistor … stalin.htm
Sorry - lost me - This is not our topic. Our topic is Christian violence, which includes the Holocaust. But - Stalin killed some people, therefore it is OK that Christians are murderers - did I get that right?
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." - Adolph Hitler
Please stop lying about me. I never denied that Christianity was violent. We both agree that is the case. Even Jesus had armed guards ready to kill for him - so you say. You claimed I said something else.
I genuinely don't understand this way of defending Christianity. Perhaps you could explain how this works?
Mark, that you believe Hitler's words speaks to all of what you're about. You made plain your prejudice. You certainly did deny that you said Christians were violent, and now you say I am accusing you of something incorrect and saying I am lying, like a child. I will not respond to any more of your comments because you are grabbing at straws to make yourself right and justified in your hate. Therefore, I will not respond to any more of your comments. If you believe Hitler and everything he says, that speaks for itself. After all, from what you state here, it is to be included that not only are hateful of Christians but also of anyone that believes in God. You've got some kind of mind.
I don't "believe them," I just pointed out that he said them, and he appeared - along with most of Germany - to believe them.
I did not deny that - please stop lying about me. I denied that I said all Christians were killers which is what you lied about me saying. Christians are violent - yes - we agree. The Hitler quote proves that is the case. Germany was a heavily Christian nation at the time of the holocaust.
Tell me about Jesus having armed guards again to show how peaceful your religion is.
Hateful? Oh - right - anyone who thinks your beliefs are nonsense and cause conflict is hateful.
Oh, and if you choose to reply even though I won't reply to you anymore, kindly provide the source of your quote. . .which I doubt you have.
Why won't you reply to me any more? Because I speak the truth?
Mein Kampf is the source of the quote.
http://www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf- … e-Jews.php
Why are you getting angry? Our forefathers kept slaves, which was a shameful fact. But what is the point in getting angry at those people who point it out?
Similarly Christians did many atrocities and many were in the name of god(inquisition for example) and whole community of Christians went out to cheer public hanging and burning of 'heretics' and witches, hence the whole Christians are complicit in the crime. Even Hitler performed atrocities in the name of god. So getting angry at the messenger or telling he is prejudiced will not help.
Is it because you have doubt you came to this forum? If not, why do you suppose he has doubts?
And this is an open RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY forum and the topic is not under any sub topics. He has as much as a right for an opposite opinion as you have yours.
And have you ever considered that an opposing view may be not from hate or doubt but merely from seeing things in a different manner?
Why one should oppose another whom he consider a lunatic? It's easy, wouldn't you oppose the perpetrators of 9/11 though you know they are lunatics?
Thanks wetnosedogs for letting me know. Amen. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Obviously, those prayers were not helpful for those who died or for the losses due to destruction. By stating prayers for protection have been helpful, you insult in the worst possible way those who died and their grieving families and friends. Absolutely shameful to say such things, have some respect.
Dearest "A Troubled Man" you have been on HP for 15 months and have not published one hub. It is evident of what your purpose of being here is on HP. God bless you, as do seem to be a very troubled man. Once again, this is a prayer forum for those who desire to pray. This would be a great time for you to write a hub of your own on what it is you want to say or have a forum of your own, since you have not published one thing here in 15 months. I am sure you would receive many comments on your own forum or hub. I will pray for you each and every single day until my last breath on this earth. This is not a forum to discuss each others' beliefs, but simply a plea for prayer for those who really desire to pray. Go in peace dear one. In His Love, Faith Reaper
A worthy post as to first noted sentence. As to second noted sentence, I am positively amazed that there are people out there that think that wishing for something will actually make that something happen. Ya got to go out there and make it happen; simple as that. This is reality; not fantasy land.
Anyway... I shall try to not post here again...
No one is wishing for anything here paradigmsearch. Peace. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Well, so much for me not posting here again...
I submit that prayer is wishing.
Prove me wrong. In fact, I want you to do so.
ATM, what is your definition of the word "respect"?
"Prayer for all in the path of Hurricane Sandy (a rare hybrid storm) ..."
Wouldn't donating $5 to the Red Cross accomplish more...?
This is a forum for those who really desire to pray. If you desire to have a forum to discuss another issue, please do so. I am sure we and many more are giving whatever they are able in addition to prayer, as always when there is a terrible diaster. This country does come together and we all get out and lend a hand to one another in time of great need. We have been through terrible storms down here and we have all united in prayer and in giving and action to help one another. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Faith you are wonderful putting this in. I have been praying and I have been following through as this awful storm devastated my hometown NYC and my playground Atlantic City. I have been worried about everyone and had a hard time reaching all my friends. Now I just hope that everyone is alright and hasn't suffered too much damage. I have fallen so far behind because of all of this but that doesn't matter what matters is that everyone is alive and well. I still pray this week and I'm looking on FB to be sure everyone is accounted for. Hope you weathered the storm alright. Sending you lots of love and hugs and still praying.
Dearest Gypsy, I know you have been praying and we all have, and this was not even necessary really, as those who pray, do pray. I have been praying without ceasing dear one. I know the Joseph, Lord De Cross, is safe and some other friends here on HP. I live in southern USA, so we are fine here, but I remember all too well last year when the supercell tornadoes came and caused total devastation here,wiping out whoel neighbors, cities and towns, but we all prayed and all came out to lend a hand to all those who were suffering. That is how this country does in time of disasters, no matter what our differences, we do come together and unite and help our neighbors like never before. I know we will all continue to pray for all. I wll pray for you too dear one, for peace, His peace, that surpasses all understandingwill just rain down on you, as we lay it all down at His feet. Lots of love to you too dear one. God bless you. I have fallen way behind and haven't been able to write anything or hardly do anything as my heart has been so heavy with all of this and just been praying too. As it is the weekend again, I will try to write something. Your poem was so beautifully written as always. Love and lots of HUGS your way. In His Love, Faith Reaper
My family & I pray for the safety of all. In India, we are seeing it all on channels & its frightful. We sincerely hope things come under control fast.
If you wish to donate or provide help to those who are suffering:
The following are some agencies:
Brethen Disaster Ministries http://www.brethen.org;
National Emergency Response Team http://www.nert-usa.org
These are just a few, but you may go to the Top 10 Disaster Relief Agencies via the Internest for a complete listing. All of these mentioned above do help in the aftermath of such storms.
Thank you so much and God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Now, that's more like it, Faith Reaper. Well done. That is the kind of message we need to get out there. Kudos.
And many of the these agencies are "religious" based. Troubled man, now you see the light!
Yes, I know, they have ulterior motives to convert the people they help, however the point is that they are helping others rather than just coming onto forums preaching the gospel and insulting the dead. You'll also notice the Red Cross is one of the agencies and they are not religious based.
I'm just getting in some another long day.
Thank you for your comments dear one. God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Sorry to see that it was a Christian who has made the first effort. The atheist went on and on saying (and antagonizing) how meaningless it all was that some people prayed for the wellness of others.
An atheist has nothing practical to offer, except offence. It's the spiritual people who have the courage to come forward to make the first move.
Actually, it was the Red Cross who made the first move. It was believers here who capitalized on the misfortune of others to preach the gospel.
"It was believers here who capitalized on the misfortune of others to preach the gospel."
Well, surely they did. And then they called for donations for the victims of the storm. What did you do, on the other hand?
Red Cross is one of the many organizations who have come forward for relief. It's a simultaneous move to help others. Religious organizations (like the one that Faith Reaper linked) are always willing to help victims.
I just thought I'd amble by and make peace.
Most believers are good, kind, decent people.
Most non-believers are good, kind, decent people.
For me, that's all that really matters.
I want to thank each and everyone who commented here. I now have to get busy writing a hub or two.
Peace to all here. In His Love, Faith Reaper
Some more ways to help are here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat … e-victims/
No religion though - sorry. Can't say I am empowered to speak for any Invisible Super Beings unfortunately so it is just me.
Thanks for the resources you have listed dear one. In His Love, Faith Reaper
No religion for me either, as I am a Christian. Peace!
My fervent prayer to the victims and their families. May the good Lord Jesus Christ show mercy and graces towards them.
Thank you Mark for your fervent prayer. God bless you.
Another great ministry to help is:
www.joycemeyer.org Hands of Hope - Their goal is simply to help as many hurting people as possible, to alleviate human suffering.
In His Love, Faith Reaper
Thanks Sueswan, cynthtggt and all who have commented here, and for continuing to pray. God bless you all. In His Love, Faith Reaper
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