What's With The New Age Thingy?
- fierycjposted 15 years ago
0Most of that stuff you find on the internet is practiced out of fad.
Second, new age isn't exactly new age. It's more like as old an age as you can get.
the only part about prophesy that is true is on the part of the people who actually believe it.
It's scares me to say the least but not because I believe it is or ever was meant as a foretelling of the future but since so many do, I wouldn't hesitate to say they are "sick" enough to make it happen.Did I take it right that all those who believe are christians?
I should add that my response was for Witchofwaveland
Any religion can be a basis for ethics/morality but seriously ethics/morality can exist independently without being religious. Have a good weekend friends.
I give you exhibit B - Aristotle
Hey Mike do you realize this:
"For the gate is small, and narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it." (Matt. 7:14)
is referring to the Third Eye? Get lateral and get behind
Not many Christians have found it, nor do they know what to do with it when they do.
I believe in a "progressive revelation" concept when it comes to religious thought and practice. Yes, some things can be subverted and perverted, but we are ending an age, and things are "coming to a head", so to speak. No one can take any specific teachings from the past and apply it exactly to today...there is too much going on "from every angle"
LOL I was puzzled at first, too. As far as I understand it, it is buddhism adapted for Christians.
When I become a buddha, I will be able to answer this
When there is no more BS to believe.
I feel it is enlightening to look at all ideas that are reasonable, and agree that is not always the case
I have a son at uni here in Australia, and I hang with his Uni mates as we are part of my son's sports club. What I hear is a lot more sophisticated discussions than New age at least amongst these people in that generation. (My son is 20)
We don't have a savior on HP yet, so this looks impossible...
Good, I think Mike needs some saving, he's drowning in words up there.
Official addict
And actually you've been accepted long ago, when I became your fan on the spotI won't ever dare to decline such a pretty redhead smooth talker
They actually say a lot of things about readheads, which exactly did you mean?
haha...you will just have to find out
Never Jon
There are always folks who prefer to blame their own problems on Rothschild or Freemasons or even Hubpages. Don't have to do anything to fix them this way, ya knowSir,
I am not sure if things we don't know or understand should be termed as "dark side". Although I admire your concern for her well being. But still do you think it is appropriate to address her being possessed by "evil demons"? Have a great weekend.Sir,
I am sorry. I had no intention to upset you. I agree with you and GamerGirl that I may have misunderstood your words. Coming to your question: Hinduism does have many branches. I am not aware of what others are practicing and which branch of Hinduism they are getting inspired from. And what I don't know I can neither confirm nor deny. But I do know that my fore fathers were respectable priests in the temples of South India and were good people having nothing to do with the "dark side". Without sufficient evidence I personally wouldn't like to come to conclusions about people hence I was airing my opinion. I am once again sorry if I was rude and hurt your sentiments. Have a good weekend.
PS: Thanks GamerGirl for understanding my point of view.The 'dark side' being used here is a light hearted joke. Example: The easiest way to identify the light is to view it from the dark side. Or dark sides light.
Some people don't seem to understand it so when we say it, I can only image both Jenny and Jewels doing an eye roll because they already know what it looks like to some folks like Mike.
I think it was a pretty rude thing for Mike to say to Jewels get thee behind me Lilith, because I know what it means. He was saying Jewels was possessed by demons and in his way he was saying that he has authority over her as gods true believer to rid Jewels of what Mike considers evil.
It's not really a mystery as to why Christians and all other religions or beliefs do not get along very well.I don't think Julie took any offense on this Sandy. It may be rude from Christian perspective, yet I personally adore Lilith (and all her daughters), and I bet Julie at least does not have anything against her. So it might have been planed as an assault, but it failed - pretty much like I would fail calling you names in Russian
Oh I know, I wouldn't think that Jewels could take something like that as a personal offense. But people passing by like mabye CW might think it was a pretty offensive thing to say. I adore Lilith too!
I'm not a Rosicrucian Mike. I prefer to be lateral, I learn what I need from many traditions and use what works for me. There is allot of good stuff out there and allot of not so good stuff. But perhaps it works for someone else. Steiner schools are very well respected and I like some of Heindel's work. Steiners model of subtle bodies is fantastic and is very useful
And no, I'm not concerned about the conjuring up of demons I also don't want to fear what I don't understand. We all have a 'dark side' and ignoring it won't make it go away. I'm not into suppression but seeing. I have a good awareness of myself and the mind and some occult abilities. Not the MacBeth type though - sorry don't do cauldrons! Is really good to read some of Steiners work, also Heindel. This was a major time in history. See even back in the late 1800s people were a bit jack of Christianity. And you guys hold on like dear life, haven't learned a thing
Those in this thread should understand the context of the inclusion of what I wrote in the other thread. Basically explaining that Christianity is a derivative of older teachings, one being the myth of Horus which shows one eye - The Third eye, and Horus is a symbol of the Sun God. Then perhaps the whole concept of Christ Consciousness = Solar Logos may make sense. But not to Mike.
I don't encourage people to go to that thread - you may get a headache!
Hi MM,
I have had too many experiences to be afraid of the dark
I believe the strength of faith and knowledge are the greatest powers God gave humanity to conquer the dark.
It is not occult in a negative sense,when you espouse the highest aspects of God's creation as having more power. I actually qualify everything I say in the name of the Christ.
ps...I haven't studied Roscrucians or Masonry beyond knowing that some of our Founding Fathers where of those groups...and that they had no more evil in them than one makes of anything they do or say or pray.SparklingJewel I was asking Jewel.
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- fierycjposted 15 years ago0
Make Money,
None of the "new agers" I know- those being individuals who are labelled such because they are followers of Earth-worshipping/revering religions, myself included - are into bits and pieces of Hinduism, and the whole "evil demons" thing is kind of repetitive - both of the ladies have answered you on the point.
Take it easy on CW, too - she may've misunderstood your meaning.
Hope to see you move on to a different talking point soon, and hopefully one that doesn't involve being mean.MM, you really think the leader of the Satanic stuff is going to tell you the truth about anything?! or that anyone else "knows" all the ultimate truth about everything?
Stick with the Christ of your own being and with Jesus as the wayshower and not others' interpretations of what Jesus the Christ means, and least you will protect your soul for another lifetime, so that you will be able to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God, in your next life
It predates anything christian.
Your so blind.
Christianity is not a derivative of older teachings, Horus or any of them.
It can easily be proven that this was not stolen from ancient Egyptian mythology, as has been claimed by the film zeitgeist and other sources.
According to the transcript of the film zeitgeist, the story of Horus is as follows: ‘Horus was born on December 25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born saviour. At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.’
If true, this would certainly be unsettling to Christians. However, examining each point in detail is quite revealing. According to the Egyptian legend Horus’ father was Osiris and his mother was Isis (but there is nothing to connect this name with Mary / Meri). Osiris was killed by his brother Set who wanted his throne. Isis briefly brought Osiris back to life by use of a spell that she learned from her father. This spell gave her time to become pregnant by Osiris before he again died and she later gave birth to Horus. Horus then killed Set. The combination of Osiris and Horus became linked in Egyptian mythology with the idea of death and rebirth. As in all pagan religions there was a connection with the seasons (winter = death, spring = rebirth) and with the sun setting and rising. In the Egyptian myth it became associated with the flooding and retreating of the Nile and thus with the new harvest each year in the Nile valley.
According to this myth Isis was not a virgin, there is no link to the name Mary, however there is a death and rebirth story in line with the nature gods of paganism and fertility rituals. While this may be of interest in understanding the ancient religions of the world it has absolutely no bearing on the events recorded in the Bible. Horus was supposedly born during the month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), and not on December 25th, a fact which doesn't make any difference to the claim that both Horus and Jesus were born at the same time since the Bible never says that Jesus was born on December 25th!
We don't know the exact date that Jesus Christ was born. The dating of the birth of Jesus on December 25th came in as a result of the Roman Catholic church trying to entice Roman pagans to convert to Christianity without forsaking their midwinter festival. The earliest reference to the Christian celebration of Christmas is found in the Calendar of Filocalus, a manuscript compiled in Rome in AD 354.
The film states that a star in the East announced his birth and that three kings came to bring gifts to the “saviour.” However, when stories detailing the birth of Horus are examined, there is no star or three kings who come to visit him. Trying to link this to Christianity fails in any event as the account of Christ’s birth in Matthew has magi (wise men, not kings) coming to Jesus with their actual number not being stated.
The movie states that Horus was “baptised” by Anup and started a “ministry.” The only accounts remotely related to Horus and water are the stories told of Osiris (his father who is sometimes combined in ancient accounts with Horus to form one individual) whose body was cut up into 14 pieces by his enemy, Set, and scattered throughout the earth. Isis supposedly found each part of the body and after having Osiris float in the Nile, he came back to life or became the lord of the underworld, depending on which account is read. In any event, stating that Horus was “baptised” is simply playing fast and loose with Christian terminology.
In addition, Horus had no “ministry.” There is nothing in the myths about Horus becoming a teacher at age 12, nor in fact did Jesus. Luke 2.45-52 simply states that the teachers in Jerusalem were astonished at the answers given by the boy Jesus at the age of 12. Neither are there any statements to the effect that Horus had 12 “disciples.” According to the accounts, he had four semi-gods that were followers and some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. No accounts of Horus being betrayed are found in his portrayals and he certainly did not die by crucifixion in any account. There is an incident described in one story of Horus being torn to pieces, with Iris requesting that the crocodile god fish him out of the water he was placed into, but the movie does not mention this as it does not fit in with their agenda. The movie puts the account of Horus as originating in 3,000 B.C., which predates the practice of crucifixion, so there is another historical problem that must be overcome.
The claims of Horus being buried for three days and resurrected are not to be found in any ancient Egyptian texts either. Some accounts have Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and going to be the lord of the underworld. But there is no mention of a burial for three days and no mention of his physically coming out of a grave in the same physical body he went in with and never dying again. And there is certainly no account of Horus dying for others as Jesus did.
In the end, the attempt to prove Horus was a picture/forerunner of Jesus simply fails from lack of any historical evidence. The movie continues in this same vein citing other mythological pagan deities that pre-dated Jesus (Attis, Krishna, etc.). It says that Hindu’s Krishna was also crucified and resurrected. However, Hindu teachings state that Krishna was killed by an arrow shot from a hunter who accidentally hit him in his heel and after he died, he ascended to be with Brahman. None of the pagan deities, when accurately examined, mirror the Son of God recorded in the New Testament gospels.
The transcript of the film gives two major sources for its information - the work of Raymond Massey, a 19th century English writer, and Archarya S, the pen name of D Murdock, author of ‘The Christ Conspiracy’. Massey was a spiritualist and an initiate into the order of Druids, who also studied Egyptology. Massey’s work is widely discredited by serious Egyptologists.
Archarya S believes in UFOs and alien encounters and makes a huge number of untrue claims in her work. For example she writes, “In reality, it is no accident that there are 12 patriarchs, 12 tribes of Israel and 12 disciples, 12 being the number of the astrological signs.” In fact the division into the 12 zodiacal signs was the product of Babylonian astronomy in the fifth century BC, long after the events recorded in Genesis took place. She also claims the Israelites were moon worshippers based on Psalm 8, 104, Isaiah 47 and 66. Three of these passages speak about worshipping the Lord who is the creator of all things and Isaiah 47 speaks of judgment about to fall on the Babylonian, not Hebrew, astrologers.
The Egyptian myth of Horus is more closely related to Nimrod and his wife Semiramis. Here's a couple of quotes from this web site about Nimrod. This first quote is very similar to the story of Horus above.
See, what you New Agers are trying to claim is all psycho babel. Meaning from Nimrod and the Tower of Babel.
"Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:7Mikey, if you only ever read from one reference you're going to get tunnel vision
It's also logical to see that Christians are subject to similar psycho babel (babble) and I'm not sure Timothy wasn't referring to you similarly. The truth will never come from written words Mike, it will only ever come from within yourself and whilst your bible tells you you will be saved only by believing, then may a divine source help you when they/he/she/it find out you've not done an inch of self awareness and you've not discovered the Eye has it.
I think its Communism adapted for Democracy
Mike, it's no different to you and your bible. It's all a matter of interpretation. As many see your scriptures as crap, so you see 'new age' words as crap.
No need to argue about it - just accept your bible as crap and new age stuff as crap and all is okay in the world!
Jewels, Yes it has been awhile.
Shucks! I love that gift CW. Thankyou. Blushing but receiving with pleasure. Must be a "God" moment. NO, it's a ONE moment.
If you really liked it then here is another one for you.
- My heart filled with butterflies. You girls are so awesome... that means you to Sparkling Jewels.
I'm not waiting Sir Dent, not at all. I'm just doing it differently to you.
Re your question - I did answer you. According to your belief obviously it was the 'wrong' answer.
I personally don't believe Jesus is the lord and savior of the world. I can swallow that this myth is that of an ordinary man who sought and attained enlightenment through disciplined actions. This is inline with other esoteric teachings. The christian doctrines are a guide to show you how to do it yourself, not for this poor guy to do it for you.
- SirDentposted 15 years ago0
I think jon has a new name. SoulJon. But I will still call him lil'brother.
Ya folks make me smile
... I'm glad I joined this place... so many cool folks.... albeit a few fundamentalists like Usmanali to entertain us.
But MM, I do recognize myself as becoming more one with God...I think it is just the individual perception and wording that people get stuck on.
for instance...there are days when I feel like God (or how would imagine that feels like !) you know, when the sky and everything in the environment has that certain "shine" and every action and situation flows smoothly and you just feel ok and wonderful about everything...when that happens I feel like God. That I am an important and significant part of God. Its a unity feeling or joy and wonder and correct use of power.
instead of...when someone is having the same kind of day, but in their mind they choose to think of themselves as a god, in the sense that they have power and can use it to manipulate or control things and people.
its all in the eyes of the beholder...or rather the attitude of the beholder
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