I believe he just started bragging about all the things he was going to do, (you know trying to win people over to his way over thinking)creating his own little army. (Get on my side) Because he really wanted to be like God.
Lucifer is not a 'He' . It's not a human being. Get real !
...He wanted to BE God, to BE the "boss", not just be "like" Him.
But yes I caught your comparison to someone in today's world.
And yes he's a pawn of Lucifer.
Lucifer was actually a king (I think it was) in the Bible who fell; and the references about him are also transferred in no-uncertain terms to Satan himself.
Eaglekiwi, thank you. I've had a Bible lesson today, because I looked that up again. I had been told before that there was a human king in Babylon with the name Lucifer, but from what I read, Lucifer was a name for Satan, and Satan's fall from Heaven was used to illustrate how that Babylonian king would also fall. So I apparently had the two things switched around!
It's always awesome to have Scripture clarified! Blessings to you.
He was the Head angle?
Did he wear Knee pads?
I wonder who that someone in today's world might be ? A pawn to Lucifer ? Can you explain ?
Maybe gonzo62003 wasn't referring to who I think, or maybe he wasn't referring to anyone at all.
But I for sure (of course) refer to our current U.S. President (the guy in the White House who I think is NOT really a "President" but who does have that title).
The shoe (the reference) fits. Extremely well.
Barack has been given an Award for being the "possibility" of a peacemaker, when in fact he has continually proposed division in many areas including racial tension, all the while manipulating and disguising it as peacemaking, and all for his own glory and greed.
He and his friends in power try to sway all Americans into a form of civilian army devoted to his/their policies and ideals (non-ideals I call 'em).
He mocks Christianity. He defies the proper usage of our Constitution on many levels.
He defies God Himself, and while he's at it, he omits to correct those people who do persist in viewing him as some sort of god.
What more can I say? It's all there to be seen visibly and spiritually. Oh there's much more to say, but that in itself suffices.
thank you !
I believe Obama is really very wrong, But as an atheist is very difficult for me to see him as lucifer's pawn. Anyway Iget the picture.
I think you've said more than enough. You are really scary. Not Catholic or your basic Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian Protestant I take it?
Whether you like a President or not, IMO, you do not refer to him or her by their first name. You respect the office, if not the officer.
Well called. Since his election, I have seen Barrack Obama equated with Lucifer, Satan, the Antichrist. Two things appall me - the lack of common humanity in the perpetrators of these insults, and the blatant misappropriation of Christianity to serve the agenda of a vocal but unrepresentative political fringe.
hi there paraglider, good day to you!
Those who are saying that the President is Lucifer, Satan etc are misguided in their tactic, insulting or undermining even the capacity of people to think. It is easier for others just to attached that name to the president, instead of trying to prove his achievements thinking people would just hate him.
There is a difference between respect and Proper Manners.
Respect is earned, not granted with a Job title. Proper ediquite calls for Respect of the Office...not necessaraly the Man.
Now, calling him the anti-christ is nuts, he is not that. And that is totaly un-warented. He is not decadent in his behavior, and certinly not acting like a Caligula or worse.
He is a Good man, and he has his beliefs, but he is not Satan as we know the definition to be. Thats crasy. If the world is ending, then we can not stop it. If you fear a Satan, remember what is said; written.
It is not our Fight, God alone will crush the head. If you are truly of the heart, then care for your own relationship with God, and prepare yourself for what you believe. Because it is all you are responsible for. Each person tends to their own belief, and let the fear be. It is not warrented.
President Obama is a sincer Man with Morals, maybe socialistic or radical in beliefe, but not the Anti-Christ.
If you feel Him to be against your Christian Beliefes'. then show up in 2012 and Vote him out!
The very fact that you can do this will prove, or it should prove to you, that He is not that. Because if he was, He would not be alble to be Voted out!... We would all be Helpless against His ultimate power.
This is not, and will not be the case. Don't fear, prepare.
I'm really really surprised that a vet did not understand my statement. You didn't render the respect in numerous situations, and keep your personal feelings to yourself?
And please don't think I got hung up on this and did not read the rest of your post. We disagree on a few points, but in general I can appreciate what you said.
I don't know if Satan is in trouble or not?????
I think that he was only doin what God knew that he was goina do. And everything that Satan intends for evil; God turns for the good!!!! aint that what scripture says.
Is God goina punish him for that which was what God wanted?
I think that it might be a conspiracy....... WHAT ????
He was verwy naughty. Plus I tink he was mean to bunnies.
the answer to that is: All things were made by GOD for GOD.
Lucifer was once an angel who challenged God and lost. God banished him. Way to go God.
Brenda , You are fine and thankyou for blessing me, same back to you! I havent been in any kind of Bible study for years now ,I just happened to remember a few things ( as ya do)...
I do know one thing for sure - God is the best teacher!! gentle , kind and lots of patience nothing like the freaky scary kinda image I hear talked about in this forum.....maybe some people get confused with other 'father' images ...
Pride caused Lucifers downfall as in Babylon like you said.
Rome same thing.
I too suffer when I think my way is the only way .
Have a great weekend
I hold to the view that Jesus is the only way, if that's what you mean, and I don't veer from that. Any pride or boasting is, as Paul mentions in the Bible, all in praise for our Lord.
He is indeed patient. But I also remember that He is the God of Judgement ultimately, and I thank Him for the grace He offers us all.
At any rate, I'm Blessed at meeting you and many others here on this site; a learning experience as well as lotsa fun sometimes! Cool.
I think our fallen angel, fell because he loved God too much and did not want to bow down to us monkeys err.. sorry, humans!
Again, I find it interesting about topics, which keep popping up. I could spend all day in just forums, talking.
But, to stay on topic- Do you know what got (Lucifer) in trouble?
Actually, to be honest, this question cannot be really answered, except in the manner, in which I am about to.
First, consider what you're talking about? Lucifer. This is a fictional character made up by Religion.
So, to know what go him into trouble, would be read a bible, and that would lead to believe that he really existed. Which isn't the case.
Just like GOD....another mythical figure made up to make sure that you never learn the truth about your life. Plus, you can be controlled much more easily, if you buy into what they SELL.
Religion is a BUSINESS and nothing more.
Even I'm an atheist, I don't agree with you. Sometimes yes, religion is business, but many times is a way of life, a philosophy.
Of course i think it's foolish to belief all those myths, but Everybody is free to believe whatever they like. and not always is a bad'thing'
And, the mental thought process will end your life, which isn't meant to end.
The only thing you need to know is truth. The truth about your life and that you do not need or require a mystical higher power, to tell what to do or how to live.
If you believe any part of religion text, except for Jesus Christ, then you've obviously don't understand.
Now, with that said- Jesus Christ was not a religious minister, as most are lead to believe. He wasn't a prophet or the son of "GOD", nor was he "GOD" himself.
GOD is a mythical higher power put in place, centuries ago, because according to religious/spiritual leaders at the time, the common people needed to believe in a higher authority in order to live moral, productive lives. Thus, the hoax is perpetuated. The religious/spiritual leaders have invested too heavily in religious and mystical doctrines to just walk away.
in Greek myth Hades drew straws with his 2 brothers to decide who would rule what plain .Zeus drew the big straw got to rule the heavens . Poseidon drew the middle straw and got to rule the seas .Hades much to his dislike drew the short straw and stay as ruler of the underworld. it wasn't that he was a bad or evil or that he did something wrong .it was simple chance .the devil idea of today came from the Hades myth i think
All evil is the fruit of ignorance or darkness.
And therefore the ignorant will always exalt that which he finds within himself.
Which is More and more ignorance .
Is that the first sin?
No it is the way and nature of sin.
Reject darkness by receiving the light which is Christ.
He wanted to exalt himself over God, to be God. His selfish pride prevented him from living in truth, and as such, was his downfall. I believe this same pride prevents us as humans from seeing God's truth as well. Saying we're sorry, mending relationships, and growing to a higher level in our relationship to the Father.
i believe Satan is the god of the system we are in now, so anyone working for him is a pawn in his hand. Interesting to see what Jesus said about paying Caesers things to Caeser and god's thinks to god..... All we can do is keep praying, if we are believers of course,,,,,, he listens to us
He may have gotten in trouble for the same reason Prometheus got in trouble, giving something to humans that belonged to the gods.
In this case it may have been the knowledge of good and evil. By telling Eve that she wouldn't actually die just from eating it (as previously advertised), but would gain knowledge that the god possessed, he empowered her to make a choice. And we've been empowered with choice ever since, or so the story goes :-)
Curious isn't it that the name "lucifer" is actually latin for "light-bringer?" Perhaps some interesting parallels with Prometheus?
Oh I thought it was for believing in a false god
Ok ok....I didn't have to take it there. This was more of a joke but it was funny
he put too many self serving links in his hubs is what he did and he paid the price for it.
The root of all sin seems to be pride, thinking you are superior to the rules.
What really got Lucifer in trouble were that he question the LORD GOD ruleship of heaven and earth. And his ego of not only wanting to be like GOD but he wanted to be above GOD. And this is what he him in trouble.
Man, that's all I need to do to get my own real estate in eternity???
God, I question your "ruleship" and I want to be like you and be above you!
Ok....I'll soon be taking applications to my new domain in eternity.
You won't find lucifer in any other translation but the king james and lucifer was used, its actually a combination of two greek words.. because the star that is being talked about in this verse is called by the year 1611, Venus, the year of this translation and which also happens to be a fertility goddess of the romans and that would have caused an uproar or confusion as venus is a false goddess who doesn't exist but has a star named after her. Lucifer is also non-existant, never has and never will be.
Artemus and Lucifer are not the same.
Artemus is Venus -much like the "Virgin Mary" depiction.
He is mentioned in the Hebrew & Babylonian scripts...
"Son of the morning Star" some interpret as referring to Eros -son of Venus and Mars. A cunning, erotically motivated warlord who pretends to be highly intellectual/pure, yet fully void of any truth; the Aramaic/Hebrew script specifies an angelic being of musical power (pipes/voice) and having brilliant gemstone like reflection. One who was second to no angel, guarding the kingdom by walking back and forth upon the fiery stones...
Isaiah transcription to the Babylonian king suggests a knowledge of stellar/constellation systems and use of certain celestial planets/suns, in regard to certain entities from Enoch, to explain the metaphor to the Babylonians/pagans.
key point: "like Him".
Lucifer knew what He was like and what man was -the mirror reflection of Him. Jealously became pride; pride became thought; thought became ambition; ambition deceived him and led to his own demise. The image he wanted to be, didn't match the image he was designed to be. Sounds much like most humans today -believing & non. Their own idea of who they are instead of being the image they actually are...
I dunno, it's your fairytale. Did he annoy the chief goblin?
Lucifer was an annointed angel and he perverted his powers that were given to him his corruption is what lead him to his demise and thus he became known as Lucifer fallen angel of God.
That's what I said! (Just kiddin around.)
lolololo! Sure you did!! Fairytales can come true, it can happen to you, if your young at heart
A lovely thought, and song... "and if you can survive to a hundred and five, think of all you'll derive, out of bein alive"
Keep going I only knew the first line, you are doing really well but I can hear the music in my mind. My dad requested that song at our wedding, what great memories!
"And here is the best part, You'll have a head start... if you are among the very young at heart"
Had to finish the song AE.
The problem is with the share of power and control. Nobody wanna share his power with others.
Lucifer was banished because of Pride. He wanted to set himself above God. He let his good looks and brains get the better of him.
Found it. Frank Sinatra had a major hit with it apparently.
Lucifer like so many suffer from Pride. Adam & Eve felt they could equal to or better then God. How many people today that you know are prideful and honestly don't even see it in themselves. Lucifer didn't want to be like God he wanted to be God. Just read the things people say and you'll see it's not hard to pick out those who are prideful. Surprise the ME Generation has not gone away.
Just remember that God is in controll,even when it comes to the whitehouse. And yes Satan is real. And we must pray for the world. The whole world.
I just finished reading all of the answers to your question. Lucifer looked around and saw all that he wanted and pride entered into him. He had one third of the angels follow him. He set himself up above God, his creator.He was not satified with what he had, it wanted it all. People today do the same thing they worship the creations instead of the Creator. As for the AntiChrist, his spirit has been in the world even during the day of Christ. When I read all of these remarks, I would really like everyone to know that you are accountable for your words and thoughts and the intents of your heart. With the words of our mouths we either give live and blessings or death and curses. (Deuteronomy 30:19) It continues to say to choose life and blessings. Satan made his choice. We all have our choices every day. As for pride, the Bible says that a haughty spirit of pride comes before a fall. As for looking for the antichrist, I am not. Jesus said He would return for those that are looking for Him. If I look after another, I will not hear Him when the call comes. I leave you with these words, "Turn from your wicked ways, repent and believe on the Lord Jesus." I believe that this world is setting up for His return. There is a day coming when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess, believe it or not, ready or not.
I will assume you mean every believer will bow and scrape to the dead guy, or his dad the psychotic sky fairy.
Personally I think bowing and scraping to your god indicates fear of the unknown and of learning and little else.
Otherwise how could people keep believing this claptrap?
earnest, don't hate other people's G-d for allowing yourself to be deceived.
Fer god's sake cecilia, there is no god! Why would there be a god?
Lets see, every planet, moon, star, vacuum of space, nebula, gee, everything out there is unable to support human life. What are the odds! That's incredible! Why, that's, that's, just .... astronomical.
hmmm, i wonder... I see a big yellow disc up in the sky that seems to journey across the sky and go down at night and yep, its back again and again and again and again. And that other disc which lights the night, i wonder if just co-incidently that happens to light the earth at night. And what by co-incidence keeps our atmosphere in, why doesn't it just escape! Something invisible must be keeping it here. I wonder how many invisible things there are... lets look through a microscope.. yah amoeba in water, thats invisible, AIR is invisible that i breathe, hmmm are there any other instances of invisible living or nonliving things around... oh my atoms!!!! the basic structure of everything is OMG invisible to the naked eye!!!
Gee all this stuff just happens to be here and everything just happens to work so perfectly.. I am amazed that there is no god holding it all together. You'd be fooling yourself to not understand this as Gods work.
Nothing got lucifer in trouble. The bible would have to mention Lucifer a few more times for any lucifer concept to take root. The fact that lucifer is mentioned once in the king james does not mean that it has any other significance than that of the one time it was mentioned, describing the son of the morning, which is the planet venus.
ISB ency. The planet venus is more distinctly referred to in isaiah 14:12 "how art thou fallen from heaven, O lucifer, son of the morning!" KJV. The word here rendered Lucifer, that is "light-bearer," is the word helel corresponding to the assyrian mustelil, "the shining star," an epithet to which is the planet venus has a preeminent claim.
Lucifer is never in scripture called satan.
In revelation 20:26, jesus is referred to as the morning star. How can jesus and lucifer be one and the same? In scripture it is impossible especially if lucifer is satan.
Once a person rids themselves of the brainwashing of 'click words' and the old teachings its easy to understand this passage as talking to a man in fact, the king of babylon perhaps. king Nebuchadnezzar was a king of babylon. (Once might easily say this verse reflects his life more than satans). and not some cosmic satan.
Ezra 5:12 "But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, HE gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon".
(notice above...HE gave them over... Who?... the God of heaven... god did not summon satan to do this, as in other places in the bible God himself handles the situation. Satan is not called upon by god to do anything here.)
Daniel 4:31 "While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee".
Daniel 4:33 "The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws".
This is a far more believable interpretation than that which is given over to any belief in a cosmic being of evil or satan.
I mean you really have to look at isaiah in context. Isaiah chapter 13 is talking about babylon.. "Isaiah 13:1 The burden of Babylon", you can see how Isaiah 14 is a carry on from 13... and chapter 15, says, "Isaiah 15:1 The burden of Moab". See how the chapters start, there is common wording when a new chapter is begun.
There are seven other chapters which do this in Isaiah. Chapter 13 "the burden of babylon"... 15 the burden of moab...17 the burden of damascus...19 the burden of egypt...21 the burden of the desert and the sea... see how each burdened country takes up two chapters each. None of these other chapters are Satans history. In prophetic books the overwhelming trend is to prophesy in a forward direction, not retell a tale thousands of years old.
Further can we really accept a viewpoint of anything that has been in the presence of God and in heaven, wanting to leave? If we accept all the grandiose of heaven and being permanently seated in heavenly places, then to conceive of wanting to leave that diminishes our belief of such a wonderful place to be. We also have to believe that angels have free will which i never see displayed in the bible anywhere.
Lucifer was the Bringer of Light.
A retelling of the Prometheus myth.
Lucifer, Was Created to lead all other angels in worship. His body could create music within it self. His name is also deceiver that is why Eve was beguiled by him and a third of the angles in heaven followed him down when he was cast out of Heaven. But the reason why he was cast down is for one second he thought he was equal to the Almighty God of all Creation.
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