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Do You Believe in the Devil?

  1. Shealy Healy profile image61
    Shealy Healyposted 8 years ago

    Is the devil real or a mythical being?

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nope.

    2. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do not care what he/she is; I believe in God

    3. advisor4qb profile image76
      advisor4qbposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Evil is only allowed in your presence when you allow it.  Deny it in the name of Jesus and it is nonexistent.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        So that is all I have to do to feed the world's starving! lol

      2. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
        Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What if you just deny them both? Evil lurks in the heart of man it is not created by an outside influence.
        Mind you my name is Carmen and according to a Beatles' song I have been seen walking with the devil hand in hand. Go figure.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sensible comments Carmen. smile

          1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
            Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hey Earnest, always nice to hear from you. Thanks.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Hi Carmen, I just flicked over to your profile to make sure I had fanned you. I have embarrassed myself a few times lately by missing hubbers I liked to read and thought I had fanned. smile All is well this time though! smile

              1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
                Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I remembered you, but now that I'm past a 100 fans its difficult to keep track of new ones.

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          Linda Hposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Carmen what song?

          1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
            Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know the name of it, I'd have to ask my husband and he's driving a bus somewhere in Vancouver right now. I was teased about it constantly when I was in high school, though.

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              Linda Hposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Yeah I got teased about the song "Linda" by Gene Pitney and then later the commercials for electric blankets "Sleep wonderfully warm with Linda"

              1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
                Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                My unfavourite was don't squeeze the Charmin'! I do like the toilet paper though.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  They named a dunny paper after you? Wow your famous!! lol

                  1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
                    Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    You are sooooo funny... not LOL I love being compared to something you use to wipe your a** with!

            2. rmcrayne profile image94
              rmcrayneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              NOT the Beatles.  It was The Band, song "The Weight" written by Robbie Robertson and lead sung by drummer Levon Helm.  Many recognize the song from the movie The Big Chill.  Fabulous song.

              Hey Earnest!  Don't be scaring young ones with the devil or the boogyman.  My folks did that to my sister.  Still bothers her.

              1. Neil Sperling profile image82
                Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
        3. Neil Sperling profile image82
          Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          .... that song was from "the Band"

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Evil doesn't reside in man. It is created by man's actions, which are arrived through dishonesty.

            If a person is honest with themselves in thought, then they will be honest in actions.

            It is for a person to decide, through use of their own individual conscience, whether or not, their thoughts and actions are deemed honest.

            If a person is unable to determine whether or not a thought is honest or dishonest, then their action is going to be seen based on the whether or not, their actions either harm or benefit society.

            Evil itself doesn't not exist until man makes it exist.

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        Linda Hposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        If you or your children had ever been hurt by an evil person you would not be so sanctimonious! There are people who have had loved ones raped, murdered, bashed and you think that those things happened because they "allowed" it. Please do you know how many soldiers died in all wars with the name "Jesus" on their lips, or women who prayed to Jesus as the rapist took them?
        Open your eyes, have some empathy and charity, what I get from your post is that if a member of your congregation had been hurt in any way you would say it was their fault, is that true?

        1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
          Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well said Linda and that's all I have to say about that... anyone remember Forest Gump?

        2. advisor4qb profile image76
          advisor4qbposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I have both hurt and been hurt.  If you follow the law of attraction at all, you would understand that we bring these things to ourselves.  Thoughts are things.  Like attracts like.  If we fear evil things, we acknowledge the possibility of them happening. 

          I have strong faith in the Lord.  I have been through Hell.  Now I know what situations to avoid.  I have not had an easy life, but I avoid anything that gives me a bad vibe now that I know where that can lead.

      4. ionerice profile image60
        ionericeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
    4. starme77 profile image81
      starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      magical - there is good and evil in the world - but not some guy down in a burning pit with fangs and stuff I don't think

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      cosetteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No.

      But I do believe in dark forces, as well as good ones.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Good answer

        lol

        Good day Cosette.

    6. starme77 profile image81
      starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Totally Fake

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You mean BlondePoet chose the wrong photo??? smile

        1. blondepoet profile image74
          blondepoetposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Oh I can assure you this is Earnest...why ask my brother Charlie it was taken last Xmas...xo

    7. Neil Sperling profile image82
      Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      One huge field of the universe - filled with an ever changing mix of vibrations. Like the North and South pole of a magnet.... attracting and repelling. Such is the essence of life. Such is the essence of thought. Such is the essence of God.

      Did that answer your question?

      Yes it did...... but you may have to use "awareness" to see my answer!

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol

        1. Neil Sperling profile image82
          Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lollollol

    8. Messenger_of_god8 profile image60
      Messenger_of_god8posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes there cannot be a good god and no evil devil because everything has a opposite.

    9. Williamjordan profile image60
      Williamjordanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The Devil is real I believe that dearly and my Hub divorcing the devil I suggest that it's time for many to end this relationship.

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        Denno66posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Divorcing the Devil, huh? I'm going to check that Hub out. Thanks.

      2. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Divorcing the devil will cost you a lot of pain and misfortunes, as well as money, health and love. He's not cheap .

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          Denno66posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Interesting.

    10. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think some one who is evil is referred to as the devil.
      I think it is easy to mistake evil for devil especially with a Jamaican accent wink

    11. LeslieAdrienne profile image80
      LeslieAdrienneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He most certainly is real and, you can find out more about him in the pages of a Bible....If you need more info, let me know.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And you're basis is what? the 'bible'.

        You do know that book is a history and mythology combination.

        History, only certain events occurred.

        Mythology, mystical events supposedly happened.(stories)

        Science and philosophy has ruled many events as a fact to have happened, but upon discovery of ancient rulerships which were based on 'god-kings', 'mystics' and/or 'oracles', who had contact with higher power entities, we learned religion was a hoax.

        The bible- your so called truth- dates the Earth about 6,000 years. Yet, science dates Earth 4.5+ billion years old.

        The bible is a system of enslavement by a religious order based on nothing real.

        How ridiculous is that?

    12. mistywild profile image60
      mistywildposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on your view of religion, if you believe in God, then it is plausible to believe in the devil. It's all there in the Bible for you to see.

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      nabsdabzposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No the devil is not real, and believe me if anyone should believe its me. The closest thing we have to the devil is the collective ego of the human human race. if you or anyone else would like to educate themselves to my way of thinking visit steve gamble at equalibria and read his articles.

    14. Google Gal profile image61
      Google Galposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      mythical

  2. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 8 years ago

    Are you just going to post a bunch of religious 1 line questions?

    At least make them thought provoking....

    1. paulhvv profile image60
      paulhvvposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      First answer that one then maybe more will follow.
      If you can't even answer that one, with all your knowledge then how can you have a theory on the devil.

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    Rick Marlowposted 8 years ago

    You can believe he`s real.He shows up in the forums every day.

    1. spiderpam profile image72
      spiderpamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My thoughts exactly.

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        Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hey Spiderpam,Good to see you ain`t being bashed about today........Yet

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          That is because this thread sucks! lol

        2. spiderpam profile image72
          spiderpamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          smile Hey Rick, nice to see you here. Have a great night.

    2. repstrydiefly profile image65
      repstrydieflyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How does he show up in the forums everyday? Are you implying that the devil is a human who owns a computer? I thought the devil was in Hell. How would something that doesn't even live on the Earth have access to a computer?

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        Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        He is a spirit and it may not be he that appears,but it`s definitely an evil spirit that does his bidding.

        1. repstrydiefly profile image65
          repstrydieflyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Or maybe the devil is a word the use for evil, and God is a word they use for good. Have you ever thought of that? If you add one letter to evil you get devil, and if you take one letter away from God you get good. That's some food for thought. Maybe whoever made up religion took that into consideration. I believe in good and evil spirits, and they take over people. That may be where religion was going with angels and demons. I mean how can you read a book so much but not even try to figure out it's true meaning. After all, there are books written everyday that are fantasy but nobody believes in them. So why is the Bible that "chosen book" out of all the fiction books to be interpreted as REAL?

        2. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          In Ephesians 2:2 he is describes as "the prince of the power of the air" - which I believe covers all electronic and satellite transmissions.

          Lucifer is out there and he's in control of those who have not accepted Christ as their Saviour, he's not omnipresent, so he's not everywhere at once, but like Rick says, he has his minions to keep tabs on all he owns.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            So the whole non Christian world, men women and children are going to hell in a basket because they have not read one book and concluded the same as you, despite the fact that this book spawned 300 odd different beliefs!

            Do you realize how crazy that is?

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              sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Yes. But we can help you work thru it. Hows it going?

        3. paulhvv profile image60
          paulhvvposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Don't you mean an angel (fallen one)

      2. ginosblog profile image72
        ginosblogposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        There are sure a lot of folks that think Computers are heaven sent. I know when mine acts up I pray for help and "damn to hell with the problem".

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lol  lol

    3. Stimp profile image75
      Stimpposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Here I am..... Don't let my cute exterior and mullet wig fool you, I'm the real deal.   lol

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        lyricsingrayposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol

    4. Jewels profile image84
      Jewelsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, has a thrown on the religious forum.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years ago

    Real and he's right behind you!

  5. michael1mars profile image40
    michael1marsposted 8 years ago

    If you believe in God  you have to believe in the Devil as well because they go together.

    1. mistyhorizon2003 profile image93
      mistyhorizon2003posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, but says who? It is like saying if you believe in Goblins you have to believe in Fairies because the two go together!! they only go together if you decide they do based on what you read in a book.

    2. AdsenseStrategies profile image75
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sez who; for a while there I believed in the Devil but *not* in God (I know that sounds like a joke, but it's not -- I saw heaps of evil in the world, and not much evidence of a compassionate saviour alleviating any of it...)

  6. aware profile image69
    awareposted 8 years ago

    i like the Hades myth better .

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    I'd say a metaphor, maybe for human tendency to evil. HOWEVER I've felt actual evil before coming off a man in waves, it was chilling and terrifying. You know how you can feel someone staring at you, or you can feel the tension in the air if you walk into a room where people were arguing, or how you can feel someone's intentions to attack you? From this one man, one time in my life, I felt more than bad intentions. It felt like a true ... don't quite know what, not a substance but thicker than the air. I never knew before that something like that existed.

    1. rmcrayne profile image94
      rmcrayneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I do believe there is evil in the world.  But no I don't believe in the Devil nor the Boogyman.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Not even the boogyman? I have a three year old here who wants to pick an argument on the boogyman one! lol

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        Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        If you don`t believe in the devil, go over to LEWJ`s hubs and read about his demonic adventures.He`s really pushing the envelope.The stuff is real. You better re-evaluate.

        1. rmcrayne profile image94
          rmcrayneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I better?  Well Mr Marrow, that's kinda like shouldin' on me, telling me what I should do.  But I made a note in my book, and maybe I'll check out LEWJ's hubs when I get a chance and am in the mood. You expect this to make me have an epiphany?

      3. mistyhorizon2003 profile image93
        mistyhorizon2003posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with you, well said smile

      4. onenhm profile image56
        onenhmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Do you Believe in God? Because God says there is a Devil and if God said there is a Devil than there is.

  8. Orson11 profile image55
    Orson11posted 8 years ago

    Absolutely!  He is still walking about the earth like a hungry lion seeking whom he may devour.  It is satan that blinds the eyes of the unbeliever.

    1. ionerice profile image60
      ionericeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If this is true then who blinds the eyes of the believers????

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    Kathryn LJposted 8 years ago

    He only bothers with you if you believe in him.  Have you ever noticed in films he only comes for the Catholics?

    1. Flightkeeper profile image73
      Flightkeeperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Have you ever noticed that those films are made by secular people?  I think the Devil comes after secular people, but since they don't believe in the Devil, the Devil can just about do anything to them.

    2. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
      Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hahahahaha... I like it!

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      rpholtdeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ha!  Well said!!

    4. karatekidjmt profile image74
      karatekidjmtposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The devil is not one to respect someone's ignorance. The Bible says, "My children are destroyed for their LACK OF KNOWLEDGE". (capitalization inserted)

  10. zadrobi profile image58
    zadrobiposted 8 years ago

    Well if the devil didn't make me do it then who did?

    1. tuneless profile image55
      tunelessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Elvis, I reckon! big_smile

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        Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        No, Elvis doesn`t have time for that.He was just appointed President Obamas Czar of Music.

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    pgrundyposted 8 years ago

    I believe people can conjure the Devil. Speak of the Devil and he usually appears.

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      rpholtdeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't necessarily share you belief!
      Can you provide some examples where you have witnessed this happening?

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    rmcrayne, what do you think evil is? This is not rhetorical or sarcastic, really how do you define evil?

    1. rmcrayne profile image94
      rmcrayneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't define evil.  Just recognize it in some people or situations.  For example, a person that plays/manipulates others, whether it be subordinates, or their own children, like chess pieces, or scripting a soap opera.  And these people are hurt.  And there is really no good reason for it.  Just for that person's own sick entertainment and empowerment.

  13. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    What Devil?

    lol

  14. TimTurner profile image73
    TimTurnerposted 8 years ago

    If you think a devil exists, he does.  If you think god exists, he does.

    The mind is very powerful.

    My mind says neither exists so they don't smile

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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I wonger what your tune will be when you meet him in person? But,but,but,but,but,but!

      1. TimTurner profile image73
        TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        It's impossible for me to see them as they don't exist in my world.

        But that doesn't mean you couldn't meet them as you believe in them.

  15. Mike Lickteig profile image86
    Mike Lickteigposted 8 years ago

    I believe evil exists, and I can believe there is an embodiment of evil, just as I can believe there is an embodiment of good (God).

  16. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
    Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years ago

    So we seem to have turned this forum question on its a**! I'd say our work is done here. What do you think?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yep all looks clear here! smile

      1. Carmen Borthwick profile image78
        Carmen Borthwickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Good, I am weary and am going to finish my glass of wine and curl up in bed with my kitty Xena. Enjoy your weekend! Thanks for the visit, I was lonely.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          A pleasure, have a great nights sleep. smile

  17. TheAllSeeingEye profile image61
    TheAllSeeingEyeposted 8 years ago

    If you or your children had ever been hurt by an evil person you would not be so sanctimonious! There are people who have had loved ones raped, murdered, bashed and you think that those things happened because they "allowed" it. Please do you know how many soldiers died in all wars with the name "Jesus" on their lips, or women who prayed to Jesus as the rapist took them?
    Open your eyes, have some empathy and charity, what I get from your post is that if a member of your congregation had been hurt in any way you would say it was their fault, is that true?


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    Depends on what people did in their previous lives. The laws of karma carries over into many life experiences. It is possible for people to attract danger if they live in fear. Someone with a strong spirit and someone who is in touch with intuition can avoid impending danger. How do I know this? I've experienced it many times myself. I sense danger well before it can happen, I smell it and sense it. However, people who are not connected with their hidden senses of insight and intuition can blindly walk into danger without any warning whatsoever. People who live on their nerves or let phobias control their lives and go through every day experiencing demons that come in all shapes and sizes, will often attract exactly what they fear.

    I will give you an example.

    Someone who is scared of an aggressive partner, worried of being abused, worried of being bullied, frightened of death and afraid of any physical or emotional pain, are more likely to attract this kind of situation or aggressor than someone who isn't so mentally fragile or living in fear. These type of people seem to walk into the wrong bar, get themselves into violent relationships and step out in front of a moving car.

    However, I will acknowledge that it is possible for strong minded people with intuition to become a victims of crime, and I will also agree that men of war die giving their prayer to Jesus. This is only just if Jesus exists and is who he is said to be. Many people go to war for they think they are fighting for a cause or for a purpose. Many choose to step into that arena on their own accord, whether in the name of their country or religion. Yes, these people are brave, focused but also fully aware of the consequences. The laws of attraction works in strange ways. It has no feelings, it has no preferences and doesn't take sides. If people put themselves into a dangerous position then danger will inevitably come to them. If someone steps out into the path of an oncoming train they will get struck and if someone jumps off a cliff, they will most probably die for it.               


    In today's society people need to be switched on because the levels of crime are very high. Now it is wrong for murderers and rapists to be walking our streets, but this is fact of life. If for example, a provocatively dressed woman takes a chance of walking alone, late at night in a dimly lit environment, well isolated away from others, well out of sight  in an area notorious for loitering hoodlums, she is more likely to be attacked than if she walked fully clothed into a well lit and crowded high street.

    Another example is this.

    This year alone there has been a few plane disasters around the world where many people have lost their lives. Has this stopped people from flying? No...they ride their luck and take to flying anyway which good for them, for they are not letting fear bring them down, but however much they dress it up, they are still relying on lady luck to smile of them during that flight. Anotherwards, they are putting themselves in danger.

    I'm only expressing my opinion here, basing my thoughts on past and present experiences. It isn't right for anybody to hurt or abuse another, but it is a reality that people must be wary of. Those with evil intentions will prey on the weak minded. If these people welcomed inner strength into their lives the evil predators would begin to disperse from our society. I also accept that in very few cases danger possibly can fall prey to someone who is normally instinctive to impending dangers.

    I've picked up the vibes of people who emit pure evil and I know how to avoid them before anything can happen. How do I avoid them? I give them nothing to feed off. They sense no fear in me, they see an unknown quantity in me and it actually scares them. How? I am coming from a different level to them, a higher level which they cannot fathom in their psyche. A person with evil intentions are coming from a very dense frequency of perception. They feed off those who are on their level, those who have no strength of self, no inner spirit. They sense the weakness and pounce on their victims. What they see in me is a presence, an inner strength that forms a barrier. Strange how this may seem, but this barrier acts as a deterrent. I don't attract negative people around me. I know this because I feel it and see it happen.  People who are normally switched on usually avoid any danger.

  18. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    TheAllSeeingEye, are you aware of the origins of the symbol in your avatar?

  19. TheAllSeeingEye profile image61
    TheAllSeeingEyeposted 8 years ago

    TheAllSeeingEye or the EYE of Horus, also known as the Eye of Providence in Christianity and The EYE of the world in Buddhism, is the symbol that represents the EYE of GOD that watches over human mankind.

    It is also the symbol used for freemasonry and more associated with the Illuminati or the enlightened Ones. The EYE of Horus is also known as the watcher.

    You will find my avatar on the American Dollar bill. Its purpose is the watcher over those who are not illuminated. Those who are the slaves of society. The Dollar bill was designed by the Illuminati or elite bloodlines.

    The pyramid represents the physical body or physical world.

    The EYE in the Capstone represents the spiritual world, the illuminated third EYE, the connected with ALL.

  20. fatfist profile image76
    fatfistposted 8 years ago

    The devil was invented by Christianity to keep you inline and make you believe. Without Christianity there is NO devil.

    If you are a Christian, you MUST believe in the devil. This is a tenant of the Christian faith. Why they don't make the devil part of the holy quadrinity is anybody's guess.

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct.  I believe the devil was created around 500 AD.

      The bible use to say that god caused this famine and that disease.  After the devil was created, they changed it to satan and the devil.

      I took a class on the history of religions and we covered it.

      Funny how people can just change the bible whenever they see fit smile

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        Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I believe you slept through that class.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Time for a re-read.

        1. TimTurner profile image73
          TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          So you're saying the professor and our book was wrong?

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            Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The evil one was spoken of many centuries B.C.E.

            1. TimTurner profile image73
              TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Evil was but not the devil or satan.  Those terms were created way later.

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                Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Just a new name, same implication.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            What school did you go to? My son is currently at a Christian university and he has books and professors that would dispute your claim.

            1. TimTurner profile image73
              TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Don't you think a Christian professor in a Christian University would be a little biased?  haha

              This college class was an overview on all the major world religions and how they originated and how their beliefs were originated.

              1. Paradise7 profile image84
                Paradise7posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                From Tim Turner:  "You are correct.  I believe the devil was created around 500 AD.

                The bible use to say that god caused this famine and that disease.  After the devil was created, they changed it to satan and the devil.

                I took a class on the history of religions and we covered it."

                You know, that sounds about right to me.  A lot of pagan stuff was demonized, much later on, not when the original writings of the Bible were compiled.  And it was more or less a power thing.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Do you think a progressive liberal professor might be biased?

                1. TimTurner profile image73
                  TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Dude, it wasn't a class on debunking religions.  It was the HISTORY of them.  Nothing to do with being progressive or liberal.

                  He was a CHRISTIAN!  haha

                  You are taking this way too far.

                2. TimTurner profile image73
                  TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  And are you saying all liberals are not Christians?

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    No, but most of the critisism about religion comes from that side of the aisle.

                3. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  And you think that 'church' or religious/spiritual leaders aren't biased?

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Do you think progressive liberals in general might be biased?

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        poetlorraineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        hey that is just what you did, as i am not entirely show what you say is accurate.....

  21. Daniel Carter profile image79
    Daniel Carterposted 8 years ago

    I think Satan is a symbol for man's unbridled ego at its worst. And I think it's incredibly irresponsible to for anyone to say that an evil force made them do anything. Get some maturity, please.

    You can feel evil energy from a person or people just as you can feel good energy. And when we feel good energy we call it God, inspiration, and all that. Those are nice thoughts. I think there is something wonderful in the universe, but I have no idea what it is, but when it comes to the devil, it's easy to provoke nearly anyone until you see him in their eyes. Funny we don't see it in our own, most often.

  22. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 8 years ago

    There is no Devil.  There are, however, liars who make up things to scare people.  God and the Devil were both invented to scare people.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So you're calling Christians liars?

      1. Daniel Carter profile image79
        Daniel Carterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think the issue is about calling each other liars, actually, with all due respect. Those who do believe in a devil could accuse non-believers as being liars, too. I think it's okay to agree to disagree on this one. It is an interesting and thought provoking thing to discuss. It does cause some internal evaluation, which I think for the most part, is good.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I agree. The problem I have with their position is they blurt crap out and imply that people who spend they're lives living as a Christians are fools or liars.

      2. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        If we look at odds and probabilities, we can use math to deduce that question.

        Example:  How many times have you seen a serpent talk?=0
        How many times have you seen a human lie?=1,000,000?

        1000000?:0 

        To me, it's that simple.  And by the way, I am not calling you a liar.  You just believe the lie.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          And if you're wrong how will you explain your math to God?

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I'd like to hear him disprove me.  He would fail!

    2. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. smile

  23. TheAllSeeingEye profile image61
    TheAllSeeingEyeposted 8 years ago

    I think Satan is a symbol for man's unbridled ego at its worst. And I think it's incredibly irresponsible to for anyone to say that an evil force made them do anything. Get some maturity, please.

    You can feel evil energy from a person or people just as you can feel good energy. And when we feel good energy we call it God, inspiration, and all that. Those are nice thoughts. I think there is something wonderful in the universe, but I have no idea what it is, but when it comes to the devil, it's easy to provoke nearly anyone until you see him in their eyes. Funny we don't see it in our own, most often.


    --------------------


    That is a logical way of explaining this, a way that the left brain reasons with something.

    In the spirit world dark entities, bad ghosts, demons, devils, evil spirits, negative energy, hostile extraterrestrial, whatever people wish to call it does exist, but they are residing on a lower vibration and frequency to positive energy, good spirits, angels, friendly extraterrestrial, light workers, whichever takes your fancy.

    The secret to both physical and spiritual happiness, bliss, success, GOD consciousness is to rise above the negative in both physical and spiritual realities. When one can acknowledge and experience both worlds and dualities and learn how to balance them accordingly, especially learn how to control them and rise above any negative feeling or evil thought that exists in both realities then one becomes the light, the oneness, the all seeing eye...

  24. profile image0
    poetlorraineposted 8 years ago

    the devil as far as i know is extremely real..... he would love us to think he was not, but he is definately ruling this world at the moment, and doing a good job.... The fact that some even think there is not a devil is him doing a good job.... The power he has

    1. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry there is no devil. But I guess some people need the security of thinking that there is one.

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        poetlorraineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        thinking there is a devil gives me no security, how can you be so sure though??????

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You ask, how can I be so sure there is no devil?  I am sure there is no devil because the concept of a devil is nonsensical.  It's too absurd to be true.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Prove it.

    2. starme77 profile image81
      starme77posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      what does he look like?

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol  lol  lol

  25. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    The 'devil' is a man-made creation, just like 'god' was a man-made creation, based on secular ideology to control the masses and enslave humans to the bidding of those in power.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ..........What!?.........

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What you didn't know that.

        What a shame.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          No, What the hell are you talking about and what proof do you have to support your arguement?

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            What proof do you have that the bible stories are in proper context?

      2. Paradise7 profile image84
        Paradise7posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Cagsil may just have a point there.  I find it a lot easier to believe in heaven than in hell.  Punished for the rest of time?  Satanic forces driving the poor old human race?  Scare the pants off the children and peasants, keep 'em in line, sounds like to me.

  26. SoftCornHippo profile image60
    SoftCornHippoposted 8 years ago

    I married the devil!  well, A devil - I believe there are many devils.  and many gods.  but the whole concept of pure evil is just evil

  27. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Exactly!

  28. Paradise7 profile image84
    Paradise7posted 8 years ago

    Way to far.  I take it sneakrocksolid believes in the Devil.  That the Devil is real.  (Not to worship but to recoil in horror at the wickedness of Satan, and eschew all his evil blandishments.)  That's not bad, I don't necessarily think anyone's wrong or right about believing or not, but I DO think there's some scare tactics in there that I am, personally mind you, highly suspicious of.

    Still it does you no moral harm and may do you some moral good to eschew Satan and all the evil doings.

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It definitely was created for scare tactics.  There is a ying/yang to everything.  You can't have a God without the exact opposite.

    2. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think it does real moral harm.
      The religionists view of the devil is a cop out.
      Religion puts evil in the corner, as the source of evil and removes the blame from the perpetrator.
      We are good and evil, and some will take responsibility for their own evilness and therefore not act on the impulses from the dark side of themselves.
      We have freedom that comes with ownership of the evil within mankind as a whole and ourselves as individuals and it is a lot more useful to make the truth conscious than blaming an invisible entity created by another invisible entity. smile

  29. profile image0
    cosetteposted 8 years ago

    Hey there! smile

  30. Paradise7 profile image84
    Paradise7posted 8 years ago

    The devil is a cop-out.  I never thought of it like that, I thought more in terms of fear-manipulation.  You might just have a point there, too.  Hmmmmm....

  31. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    I know where you are going with that comment by the way. lets see how predictable I think you are.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How predictable you think who is?

      If you are referencing me....I'm the most unpredictable SOB on the planet.

      If not, you have been now informed, therefore you cannot make an uninformed decision about me.

      1. sooner than later profile image57
        sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        no, but I actually predicted that you would adress that comment. Have you noticed that I do not talk to you often? No matter how hard you troll me.

  32. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    "I don't know why you right-wing Christians are always so scared of everything."

    Scared? no. prepared is the important thing.

    Now, on my government computor I can't unlock your link.
    was the report about the 1500 professors non-biased? I find most of your information biased, thats why I asked.

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It was a government agency that did the report.  How am I supposed to know if it was biased or not?  I hope not since it was a government report.

      And, as you can see, I'm always pulling up statistics and stories and researching claims.  You always rely on blind faith about what YOU THINK and not even look anything up.

      You claim 80% of professors are non-believers but you have no backing to that statement.  You blindly throw out facts like that or just quote the bible, which is your safety blanket.

      And using the bible as your defense all the time is pretty smart since you can't prove or disprove it, really.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The paper is worth a read, it is a small sampling but reasonable. I accept the amount of religious professors is higher than I would have thought, however; some measures were a little blurred by the way the question's were presented. I don't know who funded it but Harvard professors handled the study. The biggest issue I have is how they handled the difference between the true religious, atheists and agnostics. The dilution of the atheists and agnostics by spliting that group in this discussion and in that research exagerates the difference. That said the numbers were pleasantly surprising.

        1. sooner than later profile image57
          sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          the reason why I would question the report is for a couple of reasons.

          1. was there an agenda to the report?
          2. what colleges did they ask?
          3. is 1500 people a true representation for the whole nation?

          I work for the gov. so, I don't think that my questions are too far out. Some of the worst run agencies are run by the government. I work closely with Amtrak. go figure.

  33. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    Easy tim, it was a simple question.

    Government made the report. I can promise you it was not accurate.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'll second that!

      lol   lol

    2. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If you don't believe in our government and that "the system" is against all christians, including our Universities, then why don't you leave the country?

      You seem to have many conspiracy theories.

      1. sooner than later profile image57
        sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I'm sorry, did you wake up on the assumptive, emotional side of the bed this morning?

        1. TimTurner profile image73
          TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yup! haha

      2. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Why don't people use good judgement on electing politicians to office.....maybe we wouldn't have as much corruption.

        The corruption in government agencies is what makes the system untrustworthy.

  34. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    I wonder how many people would still be believers if they ever learned it(bible/religious text) was actually out of context?

    Hmmm......

  35. blbhhdcn profile image60
    blbhhdcnposted 8 years ago

    the devil is inside you  lol

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Even if that were the case....you wouldn't ever be able to tell... lol  lol  lol   lol

      1. blbhhdcn profile image60
        blbhhdcnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        correct lol

  36. Australia unplugs profile image59
    Australia unplugsposted 8 years ago

    I believe that politicians are a cross section of personality types just as all people in life are.
    Some are exceptionally good and some very bad with most somewhere in the middle.

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    SwordsmanBillGposted 8 years ago

    The Devil is absolutely real. He has a grip on the earth and is planning his overtaking of humanity. I have personally experienced and event that would convince the most cynical disbeliever that Satan is real. He may not be everywhere, but his demons are and they are looking for weaknesses in the human spirit.

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do tell!  I'm interested.

  38. J. McCoy profile image59
    J. McCoyposted 8 years ago

    The devil is absolutely real!! But, we got a divorce and now I'm happily remarried.

    1. TimTurner profile image73
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hahaha

    2. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol  lol

  39. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    How about the FACT that religious/spiritual leaders refuse to teach Jesus Christ's true teachings?

    Jesus Christ was a human man who doesn't appear in the bible until he was an adult?

    Where was he before hand?

    Why isn't there anything about his teenage years?

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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There are references to his youth but I'm not an expert in scripture there are those here who know more than me and they sould answer those questions.

  40. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    The biggest contradiction in the bible.....

    Worship NO false gods or idol.

    Yet, you're told to worship a god?

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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The God.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What god?

        Can you prove he exists? Besides what you read in the bible? No!

        You can not.

    2. aguasilver profile image81
      aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I think the operative word there is 'false' - we kinda see Christ as 100% real, and He did drop some pretty strong hints that He WAS God, in fact I think that's why they crucified Him, it was the bit about 'I AM' that upset them, and everyone else who disputes it!

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, I will admit....Jesus Christ was a Human male. He was considered a "GOD" among his followers, only because he had insight that amazed them, because they were not conscious of their own existence.

        Past historical research(not only my own, but others) has shown where 'mankind' was in the evolution process and that there were literally millions of people walking around who knew nothing about their own existence, nevermind about having a pure rational thought go through their head.

        The primitive language of the time was limited to 'metaphors' and religious teachings. Since Jesus Christ refused to teach the religious text of the time, he was executed, so he could no longer help free those who would be controlled by religious/spiritual leaders.

        Do realize: many different 'god-kings' or 'oracles' or even 'mystics' existed during Jesus Christ's time. Yes, he claimed to be a GOD as well as he claimed each and every single human was also.

        Why? Because, each had the ability to think for themselves and guide their own actions, by stepping back, formulating rational thought and being able to put those thoughts into a plan, then acting on that plan.

        The religious/spiritual leaders saw that as a threat to their way of life and in order to protect their 'lies' of a "god", which didn't exist......they had took away Jesus Christ so he couldn't make others see they were lying.

        It is the specific reason for why Jesus Christ wanted no humans to believe in a false god or idol.

        Jesus Christ came into his own conscious way and felt like a "GOD", because he could do whatever he wanted.

        And, for those who don't believe that- You don't seriously think that mankind could ALWAYS think for himself/herself...do you? Because it simply was not the case, as we have learned.

        Jesus Christ was a teacher of consciousness, he wanted to bring humans out of the darkness(which at the time was guided by nature's guidance system, similar to that of all animals) and into the light of reality(conscious thought).

        Yes- Jesus Christ did wonderous work, but it's unfortunate the truth has never really been announced to the world, as we can move past this infernal 'religious' brain-washing.

        1. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hi Cargil,

          Whoever you see Jesus to be, He is recorded as saying "No one gets to the Father except through me" which is a pretty in your face type of 'I AM GOD'statement,.

          Do I believe that there was a time when men walked the earth that lacked full consciousness, well yes I do.

          Consciousness seems to have happened in two parts:

          Before Christ and After Christ.

          BC: Only certain people had contact with God through His Holy Spirit, they became the Kings, Prophets and Holy men and made the rules.

          They generally were a pretty sorry lot in terms of judgement and made mistakes.

          They tried to tie pleasing God down to a whole bunch of rules and then spent 400 years discussing every aspect of those rules until they could tell you whether it was allowed to pick ahead of corn on any specific day, or would be an offence against God, but were unable to show ordinary people how to communicate with God. Communication is two ways conversation, other wise one is talking and the other listens and that's not the communication that God wants.

          Most people still keep to this system, and generally if you tell people God speaks back to you, they either scorn you or try to lock you up.

          We are a people who expect that our mobile phones only work one way!

          God allowed them to carry on long enough for the people to realise that this was not working too well, which meant that when Jesus was sent down here and started His teaching, people listened.

          Christ threatened the religious establishment of the time (still does) that's why they crucified Him, and why the religious establishment still try to keep Him silent, trouble is, Jesus doesn't do silent, nor do His disciples!

          Once Jesus got here and started talking to the people, He prepared them for a new type of communication from and to God.

          He explained that as the old way was obviously not working, because the 'franchise' had been stolen by a small group of men, who claimed exclusive rights to deal with God in head office, then charged the people for the use of their 'direct line', that God had decided to send His son down to sort out the problems with the old franchisees, and in fact He was stripping them of their monopoly and making the whole thing 'open source', provided that people did not corrupt the source code.

          So from then onward people could 'interface' with God through a new operating system called the 'Holy Spirit' - This greatly improved communications, however most folk still knew nothing of this new technology, and indeed were afraid of it as they had never had two way communication before (without being stoned to death as a heretic)so people were slow to take up on it.

          Pretty soon Jesus's crew had told most everybody on the web at that time that this new operating system was available, and many people had switched from their previous 'gods' operating systems to the obviously better one which had two way communications.

          But still people failed to see the importance that this software change had brought about, and some men, who saw the potential for controlling the people in this new idea, re branded the code as their own version and marketed it as 'The Holy Roman Empire Version 1.01'.

          They claimed that they could prove that they alone had the exclusive rights to this software, and that from that time forward ALL communications needed to come through their hubs, which they set up in every town and village, with duly appointed software gurus who could answer ALL your questions, so nobody needed an operating manual, and indeed for a while it was punishable by death if you had a copy.

          God saw that this was also not what He had planned, so eventually, when they kept burning people who wanted to break free of the franchise, He sent a man who questioned the franchise by pointing out that the original franchise agreement clearly stated that this software was available to ANYONE who wanted to claim it. They wanted to shut this man up too, but a whole bunch of sub franchisees where prepared to protect him in court and in fact, so they cancelled his franchise and told everybody that he was a heretic and would burn in cyberspace for ever.

          This man never wanted to start a new franchise, but like all things good, people spotted the potential of getting in on the ground floor and pretty soon his version of the operating system was being spread far and wide, and people started issuing it in all languages, which made it easier for people to understand and apply to their own communication problems.

          So where are we now?

          Currently I still visit the current franchisees outlets to see what they are doing, but mainly they are still trying to find out how to keep people from dealing directly with God via His Holy Spirit, and trying to keep the profit margins up by promising prosperity if you endorse their brand and 'get in early'with your investment - which is fine because most of their users want a comfy hand free communications system and prefer to have the new owners tell them how to use their operating systems, providing new updates as they come out (God hasn't needed to change the replacement system, but by issuing updates these men can charge people again for the same thing with a few minor amendments of their own, they like to 'improve' things)

          Whew, got carried away there a mite, but it may make a hub for me!

          Stay Blessed

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I do not agree with your premise, but that was a great way to try explaining your beliefs. smile

          2. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I loved your method of tying things together. It was cute.

            How ever, it is still based on an assumption. That assumption is that Jesus Christ's words are in proper context and also that he was the son of 'god'.

            That assumption also makes for great story telling, which allows 'religion' to control people via mystical(non-reality) events and/or statements filled with conjecture.

            You cannot prove definitively that 'god' exists.

            - Jesus Christ was a human male, born to a real-life mother and had a father(reality says that it takes two to tango and a non-existent entity cannot make a real person pregnant), because of what we know about the human reproductive system.

            That means, to understand where Jesus Christ truly came from, he was conceived, not immaculately, but through normal sexual contact.

            - if there wasn't any form of religion in existence- then everything you just said wouldn't have existed. Therefore you wouldn't have the belief you have.

            And on another point- I would be more than willing to accept a 'god' figure, if there was real proof of his existence, other than any form of written word, which by your own admission was created by man.

            So, I guess I'll remain a non-believer and do what humans are suppose to do. Accept my life, make decisions(conscious thought and free will) and live life with a purpose.

            Again, I did like what you said. It was pretty cool, but still based on an assumption, which honestly doesn't have any room in reality.

            If you're interested in knowing what or how I deem what is 'reality' - I seek science and one of the wisest men to ever walk the planet- his name- Aristotle.

            Reality by definition: Reality is what exists. Reality exists independently of anyone's thoughts, desire, will, or wishes. ALL reality is knowable.

            The 'bible' and all religious text deals in a mystical world.

            The understanding of Life is to be based on Aristotle, who was a conscious person. Not on imagination.

            1. aguasilver profile image81
              aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Yeah, no sweat, I realised you were just replying and I thank you for the compliment... sometimes the words flow, sometimes they just don't!

              OK.... I really do understand your point of view, because up until I ran into Christ I was definitely anti the whole God thing and had been more aligned to Ayn Rand and Robert Heinlien than the bible, but facts (to me) are facts, and I did have this encounter with Christ and however you view his historic evidence, being present here and now does rather dampen the argument that he had no special powers and was merely a man.

              ....and there lies the rub!

              For the record I don't expect that you should ever come to the same conclusions that I or other believers do, and frankly it's not relevant to me if you never make the leap to faith that I and millions of others have made.

              If you are content with your life and whatever you view of what happens when you die, so well and good. I wish you well.

              I've only been around for a couple of weeks, and when I first hit the forum, the good old 'machismo' instinct took over for a while, so apologies to those who got offended for giving offence, and apologies to my Christian brothers and sisters for giving you guys ammunition to fire back at us!

              My observation of these forums has been that there seem to be a few 'non believers' who 'protesteth too much' and it seems like they use this site to reaffirm to themselves their atheistic beliefs.

              The baiting of Christians is no worse than the normal chiding one would expect to receive wherever one spoke of faith.

              Anyhow, my problem is that I HAVE a relationship with Christ and HAVE BEEN in filled with the Holy Spirit, and by that I mean that often when I am ministering or dealing with people I really feel the Holy Spirit take over, if there is healing I know full well it's nothing I have done, when I speak with people about things, I get 'words of knowledge' where I say what has come to mind and find out that I have 'spoken into' their situation without even knowing what their situation is or has been.

              Now before I defected I had divination and could see what people were thinking before they spoke, and that made it easy to manipulate folk. So I do know the difference from one team to the other, and I can guarantee that as soon as I 'crossed over'from Lucifer to Christ, I was cleansed from ALL those things and given new gifts.

              God does NOT do sideshows.

              He intervenes where requested and authorised and does quiet miracles in people lives. If you are part of his team used here on earth, you know where the power has come from and you know not to claim the glory for yourself.

              Lucifer on the other hand wants one to claim the glory, be vague about where the power comes from and encourage others to 'develop their own powers'.

              Having been in both teams I can see these things. I understand that others cannot, because before I defected, neither could I.

              So for me to prove that God exists to you is an impossibility;

              You cannot or will not experience what I have, and which proves the issue to me;

              I cannot or will not return along the road once travelled and now closed to me.

              We may amuse each other though and if I promise not to get aggressive with you, maybe we can have some fun!

            2. paulhvv profile image60
              paulhvvposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Only one question. How did it all begin? as in the chicken or the egg.

  41. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    In reality here on Earth....we call that worshipping a false god.

  42. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Reality RULES anything else is an illusion.

  43. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    Cagsil,

    these questions are not a product of 20 years worth of research.

    come clean.

    I think you may have 20 years worth of watching Oporah.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't you put twenty years in to studying the "word" You may arrive at a different conclusion yourself! lol

      1. sooner than later profile image57
        sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Sorry Earnest, I started out on the dark side. Not to say some dogs don't return to their vomit, but not I.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I know what you mean! I was a christian for a while! lol

        2. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          The day I asked a priest if the scriptures were interpreted properly.....he only told me he took it on faith?

          But, NO ONE knows if the scholars actually got it right and when I learned about Jesus Christ's true teachings....I noticed everything in the bible was out of context.

          Why would they be out of context if the 'church' didn't have something to hide?

    2. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol  lol

      I wouldn't be caught dead watching that.

      Come clean on what?

      What I learned? Even, if I told you...you wouldn't believe me.

      But, I'll be glad to indulge you.

      What specifically would you like to know?

      I do know....that mankind at the time, the followers of Jesus Christ were not conscious humans and he had to bring them out of their darkness and into the light of conscious thought, so they could think for themselves and make decisions so they could lead productive lives.

      What else would you like to know?

  44. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    That happens to be the evolutionary jump everyone seems to be missing.

    The link from animal to conscious thought.

    Many humans in Jesus Christ's times.....didn't even know that they were alive.....literally, these people didn't even know that they existed.

  45. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    "I do know....that mankind at the time, the followers of Jesus Christ were not conscious humans and he had to bring them out of their darkness and into the light of conscious thought, so they could think for themselves and make decisions so they could lead productive lives."

    uhhh, you mean the tax collectors, mathmaticians, and fishermen?

    you are right Cagsil, I would not believe you.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How ever, you're willing to believe in a god you cannot see or hear or touch?

      How does that make any sense?

      Seriously stop and think about that.

      The rational mind cannot fully believe in what the 5 senses cannot determine as real.

      1. sooner than later profile image57
        sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I know dear, thats why we have the unforgivable sin.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Unforgiveable sin?

          Jesus Christ was murdered, not for our sins....but for teaching people to think for themselves and not to believe in a false god that was being preached by other religious zealots.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The subconcious is so transparent sometimes. Note the word "dear"

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Please....I'm trying to have a good discussion here. No offense.

  46. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    By you thinking for yourself and being self-responsible and not worshipping a god you cannot see, hear or touch..is the message Jesus Christ taught.

    How is that a sin in anyone's eyes?

  47. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Only animals are guided by external authorities....NOT humans, because we can think for ourselves and control our actions.

  48. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Sooner than later, please don't get upset.

    I just want to understand. I've made it my life's work to understand people. The mind is a terrible thing to waste and I know it can be difficult, as well as, I can be.

    I'm not trying to change you, but can you really seriously understand where I'm coming from.

    Your human consciousness is something that tells you are alive and without it...you would be no better than a dog or a cat, which is guided by nature.

    Your conscience...the thing that tells you right from wrong helps guide your life.

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      Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      For the first time,I think you really are trying to understand.I can feel your frustration at not being able to understand how believers think.I wish I were educated as you are so that I could sit and explain it as we see it to be.Why does everything have to be shown on paper or be explained step by step in order for you to understand.You have to be able to think outside the box just a little and for once I do not mean any disrespect to you.After your last post I realized you really are who you say you are.You`re truly looking for that answer.I doubt it,but maybe I can shed some light if you can think down to my level.

      1. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         
        @  Rick    very true

      2. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Rick, I'm a little bit offended, but I'll get over it like I do all things, as per your remark about coming DOWN to your level.

        If I had to come down to your level, doesn't that suggest you are insulting yourself? Why you would do this is unknown.

        I don't find myself above you or better than you. But, as I explained to Sooner than Later and I know Sooner Than Later has already responded in kindness about what we were talking about, but I've been able to sit back and objectively watch as the banter goes back between non-believers and believers, and to tell you the truth I'm appalled at the way you people treat each other.

        Each of you act like you are better than the other, because you do have your belief, even as absurd as it is, and cannot find common ground for rational conversation about "GOD".

        I see the bunches of remarks flying back and forth between each person on things such as scriptures and faith, belief versus Evolution(which is missing a key element, because the methodology/ideology is in the wrong context, like religion).

        It is absurd that both sets of people can be right. One has to be wrong. It cannot be both ways.

        And, I don't mean to be mean about anything in which I say, my understanding of humans is fruitful and plentiful, in more ways than I care to count. I appreciate your candid nature and honesty, but rationale, sane thoughts and reality(which is deemed by the 5 senses), begs to differ any account of religious text.

        When I say, "Religion has be debunked?", it's meant not to anger anyone, but to explain that religion context has been tested by millions of people who were true believers and found that it contradicts natural human life, as we understand it.

        There is a great many things we(all of us) need to stop doing and with the ability we each possess, we can step back and see things for how they are really.

        I can understand your neediness for guidance from a 'higher' authority, because you refuse to shape your own life. I get that. But, please realize, I am human, I don't claim to be a prophet or a god(except I am GOD of myself, which is to say that I think for myself, I rationalize my own existence and I understand many people cannot), nor do I want argue with anyone about their beliefs.

        Knowledge is power. Understanding that knowledge leads to wisdom, which in turns leads to oneself's ability to heal and move forward.

        I've had my share of events in my life, which would lead me to believe in an external authority, but not after finding out I've been lied to for years, with regards to religion - the text it perpetuates as fact. I have come to understand that anything that is outside of reality, simply doesn't exist.

        We exist as humans. How we got here or came to be is completely irrelevant to our existences as a race. Living in the past, does nothing for the present and can be detrimental to the future.

        Hopefully, I have not offended you.

        I only do want to understand people. How they form their belief and on what basis. If you form a belief based on a lie and you whole-heartedly believe it is true. There is nothing I can say that will change that. I was simply trying to get Sooner Than Later to rationally discuss his/her(sorry don't know the truth about this part...haha) belief.

        1. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I think having read the post, that you probably meant "Hopefully, I have NOT offended you" in the second to last para, correct me if I'm wrong?

          ... and I'll add that's about the most balanced post I've seen from you.

          Thanks.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I appreciate the compliment, but I'm not sure your intention?

            The most balanced post I've seen from you? Suggests that I've not made myself clear on everything else I've written.

            Therefore, either I'm not making myself clear enough or you lost something in your own interpretation of what I have said in the past.

            I'll chalk it up to me not being clear enough, considering the alternative could be construed as an attack on your personal well being.

            1. sooner than later profile image57
              sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              No, just take the compliment. You have dug a little deeper. I will talk with you on this level.

            2. aguasilver profile image81
              aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Oh you are clear enough, but sometimes less than balanced,(IMHO) but then aren't we all when we react rather than respond!

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          Rick Marlowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Cagsil,I in no way meant any disrespect to you in my last post.And thank you Sooner than Later for defending me in not being sarcastic.I really felt your frustrations.I sensed truth in your words and was reaching out to you as a human being.I meant no wiseness in asking you to talk down to my level.I have 2 years of college but never achieved a degree.My last 38 years was spent being self employed in the masonry business.I`ve built wonders with my hands.But I have sense enough to realize that a person who has spent their life in research is obviously going to be a wee bit smarter than me.I mean, you don`t have to drop an anvil on my head.People such as yourself think in lofty levels and grand terms that the average slob doesn`t venture into.That`s all I meant.

    2. sooner than later profile image57
      sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Cagsil, I do apreciate your willingness to have a discussion on a civil slate. However, I cannot agree with you on this subject.

      I was without God for over 30 years. I studied the bible to refute it. At this time I would like to celebrate our differences.

  49. JulietduPreez profile image66
    JulietduPreezposted 8 years ago

    No, too personified.

    Besides which, everything is relative and nothing would exist if it didn't have an opposite. e.g. good and evil.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good and evil are man-made definitions. Existence simply exists.

  50. TheAllSeeingEye profile image61
    TheAllSeeingEyeposted 8 years ago

    Jesus Christ was a human man who doesn't appear in the bible until he was an adult?

    Where was he before hand?

    Why isn't there anything about his teenage years?

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    Could Jesus have been the son of a great Roman political leader? Could his mother have been an Egyptian Queen? Could his birth have angered the Senate? Could the Senate have ordered Jesus to be banished from the Roman Empire and its lands? Could Jesus in his younger years travelled to the far east and settle in the Tibetan mountains? Could The ancient teachings of spirituality through the Tibetans had been shown to Jesus? Could it be possible that Jesus returned to Rome in his adulthood and teach the people there spirituality? This would explain his healing powers and his connection with GOD.

    Could the early religion of Christianity be the practice of Buddhism and spirituality deriving from ancient worshipping discovered by Jesus on his early travels?

    The later faith system of Christianity and the born of the Catholic church came about after Constantine took the spiritual side of the religion and had the bible re written to fall in line with the Roman Empire. Remember the Romans spread Christianity around Europe and all lands that they governed, including Britain. Later this religion travelled across the seas to the US as the major religion forced upon the Western world.

    The early Roman Empire hated the Jews, hated Christianity and allegedly murdered Jesus on the cross. Nero blamed the Christians for burning Rome in 49AD and had them tortured and thrown to the lions. The Romans despised everything that the early teachings of Christianity represented. Why? Because it was teaching ancient secrets to the people, secrets that have been hidden from the masses for thousands of years.

    The reformed Christianity church sent the Spanish Inquisition to all corners of the globe to hunt out and destroy ancient teachers and civilisations that knew and practiced ancient secrets. The Crusade of the Templar Knights carried on with this tradition during the dark ages.

    Does anyone know what the term, search for the holy grail means? What was the holy grail and why did the Templar Knights want it so desperately?

    Could the Holy Grail have been Kabbalah magic and its mysterious secrets?

    Does anybody know the history of the Ark of the Covenant? Why did the Templar knights and the crusade desperately want to get their hands on the Ark of the Covenant? What secrets laid within it? Could Kabbalah mysticism have any connection to the Ark of the Covenant?

 
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