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gsmith03posted 12 years ago
I was raised Christian, believing that the only way to Heaven was to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. I believed it wholeheartedly for 23 years and even convinced other people to believe it as well. But I started to have questions - including this very one - and I eventually came to the point where I no longer believed Christianity. Whether there is a Heaven or Hell I do not know. Whether there is a God I do not know. But I will tell you this: the Bible says our lives are as a vapor in the wind compared to eternity. I have a hard time believing that anything we do in such a miniscule, finite amount of time could possibly merit eternal, infinite torment. Perhaps I will die and be proven wrong, but I have to use the brain that God (if He/She/It exists) gave me to the best of my ability.
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  M. T. Dremerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.
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  celafoeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry you are lost, can I help you understand?
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  gsmith03, I love your response and it proves beyond doubt that you are a real seeker of truth like Siddharth who became Buddha (enlightened being ). Even when we eat fruits and vegetables, we eat the good portion of them.don't we ?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Poor gsmith & others! So MANY "lost!" Using that "brain" (Prov3:5) & not obeying HIS "commandments"(Jn14:15)!
  IF ppl would only OBEY that would receive HELP!
  SAD!
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Philter12posted 12 years ago
I was raised in Christianity and as a kid I just believed that everything the bible said was tru.Now as an adult I find it difficult to just blindly believe words written by men. I believe the Bible is a holy book but the belief in eternal punishment for not believing a certain way is just... well I can't wrap my heart around it. The bible says the wages of sin is death. The bible also says whosoever believes in Jesus gets eternal life. How can the wages of sin be death if it is eternal torment? Eternal torment requires eternal life. Really we all die anyway.. the first death. Then those who are without sin are ressurected from the dead into eternal life when Jesus comes again. The idea/belief that anyone deserves eternal punishment doesn't make sense. What's the point of it? You only live ~80 years in sin so why this eternal torment to pay for it? Jesus paid the price for me by dying for me.. not suffering for eternity for me. See how that makes sense? I deserved death and Jesus died in my place. Final statement:: No one deserves eternal punishment.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Philter 12, we just have to go for essence of everything. As you need fruit, you do not uproot whole tree so you must pick up what is appropriate to your common sense and conscience. I feel enchanted to read your comment. God bless you.
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SarahMH33posted 12 years ago
Well, I have also asked my father this question (he is a very devout Christian), and in some form or another I have actually witnessed miracles. Anyway, I believe from the bottom of my heart that just being a good person is not enough. You have to actually be saved and born again. I do not want to sound like a hypocrite and I am not telling you what to do, because frankly I am not a Christian myself, but I do believe there is a higher power out there. One day we will all find out what the afterlife is.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  SAD but TRUE!
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Jennifer Bartposted 12 years ago
No I don't not believe in hell. I do believe that god is a higher power and there will be consequences for our actions but I don't see my god sending me to hell as the god of which I know and love is a loving god and wont torture me in a lake of burning fire in my opinion hell is separation from god not some awful place where you go to be tortured for the rest of eternity.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jennifer, do you think words such as you speak are yours ? No, dear, such a language is being spoken by you because God loves it the most. That is why, speaking nice, acting good and thinking sublime is like residing in Heaven and reverse is Hell.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan Mr 15:38 And the curtain of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom.
  Mr 15:39 he said: “Certainly this man was God’s Son
  Why do your books erase all these important events and say Jesus was just a common person . because
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JESUS "IS" GOD but presented HIMSELF in the "GLORY" of "man" to relate to unspiritual people ("man") who w/o Holy Spirit; can't "see" (Matt13:10-13)!
  When did you receive baptism of the Holy Spirit K&T?
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karwawposted 12 years ago
We are all children of GOD, no matter by what name you call him. Once your course is run, you will return to the Father's realm and be judged by the intentions of your heart, mind, and soul while here on earth. Survival at that point will be determined by the individual. Not by earthly religious affiliation or non affiliation. The Universal Father desires that non of his children shall parish. If there is but a small glimmer of faith, the individual is saved by that faith.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Karwaw, marvelous ! I have no words to describe your remarkable wisdom. My dear, this is the real learning and is very rare, only a few blessed acquire such lofty wisdom. God has given you His real grace in the form of essence you have grasped.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Kar: Only "by faith" r we saved after studying HIS WORD & Holy Spirit reveals TRUTH or Gal 1:6-9! 1 can't say "I have faith in GOD & saved" or no need for Scriptures!
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gmwilliamsposted 12 years ago
Many religionists contend such an ideology. However, if a person lives a good life, helping and being kind to others and not hurting any soul, he/she will go to heaven and/or a higher plane when he/she dies, regardless of whether he/she is religious or not. I would like to add that if a person lives a good and ethical life, he/she is religious whether he/she acknowledge it or not.

Conversely, religionists who judge and are prejudiced against others, believe that they will be going to heaven or a higher plane because of adherence to some religious doctrine or dogma. Not necessarily the case. I contend that people attract who they actually are. Many religionists, by virtue of their actions and deeds, will NOT be going to when they claim they will be going. In fact, many of them will be QUITE SURPRISED at where they will end up!
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  gmwilliams , buddy, you are on a divine path but avoid adverse comments on people having different bent of mind, ask God to grant all His embrace of eternal love. We all deserve His grace being His offsprings in spite of our different views about Him
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Cant ANSWER (I Pet 3:15) when u were baptized with the HOLY SPIRIT (Jn10:27;Matt3:11)?
  U listen to "man" & have FAILED to be baptized w/HOLY SPIRIT & NOT "BORN AGAIN" (Jn3:7)!
  If not, "man's INTERPRETATION" of Scripture which is NOTH
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El Solo Loboposted 12 years ago
No one is going anywhere when they die. People should really get a grip on what "dead" means...it does not mean living in some other place, realm, condition, state, etc. It means dead. "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." -- Mark Twain.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  El Solo Lobo, sleep is like death but how happy we feel in our sleep that we don't want to be disturbed. In sleep we are simply as we are as pure self alone devoid of all the conditionings imposed on us when awake. So like sleep, death is also sweet.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Temy: Flesh dies but spirit lives FOREVER! Mark Twain knows "inconvenience" now!
  
  Harish: Blv that & you'll be as Mark Twain! If "death is also sweet," why aren't we ALL n hurry to get there?
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  MarySEWposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting though, that Mark Twain would include the Lucifer in his story if that were the case. Why acknowledge that bit of biblical history if supposedly atheistic?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MISFIT: My daughter said there was a woman on internet who lost souls teaching wrong doctrine & had to give in account for misleading peeps!
  Something in my spirit says it's you!
  I pray!
  Don't tell me again "GOD dwells in unholy places!"
  Blasp
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Harishprasadposted 11 years ago
M T Dremer, until I went through a lot of stuff on this website, I was sure of the intelligence of the westerners. When I see questions like this one, it baffles me no end. You would not believe me that a Hindu religious text named Garuda Purana mentions about plight of the people going to hell and the picture described is very horrible. Yet most of the Hindus while adhering all the funeral rites as mentioned in the said religious text do not pay much attention to the concept of hell mentioned in that sacred text. Why ? It is because in their wisdom, they are sure that this was a system evolved by the ancient people to maintain a strict system of moral order in the society as kings lacked the required force and resources to watch the errant behavior of the rogue elements. You will be surprised to know that no Hindu is afraid of the so called Hell, nonetheless, fear of God and devotion to God is much more in the minds of the people. Ironically, people talk more about heaven than hell. It is due to the fact that great sages like Vashisht, Astavakra, Adi Shankracharya, Gautama Budha, Raman Maharshi, RAMKRISHNA PARAMHANS and so on attained the real perfection and they described about the essence of God truly and through their enlightened words removed the dust from the eyes of the common people. It is due to the guidance of these enlightened beings that common Hindus are free thinkers. Concepts like hell and heaven do not bother them at all. We see God in a very different perspective and everyone is free to assume God as personal or formless ( as pure Brahman) and there is not the least force on anyone. Also, sages have told ages ago that one cannot attain the real essence by merely reading lacs of sacred books, pranayamas ( breath control) and chanting GOD's name constantly like a parrot. However one can attain it by meditating on God through intellect and understanding the essence of our whole existence that is called Self or Spirit or Atman (Soul). One can attain it when one is able to know himself entirely different from body as a pure Soul and this is the purpose of our whole existence that is to know our Self or Spirit or Soul. Now what is the use of concepts of Hell and Heaven in all this. Such concepts are meant for the less evolved and the persons who is hell bent on evolving as a person to differentiate between body and Soul is not scared at all. Such a person roams free without any hindrances whatsoever. This way we worship God and wish to meet Him.
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  M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The purpose of this question was to outline a flaw in religious moral code. Condemning good people indicates a societal problem that affects all of us. Recognizing that problem is the first step towards correcting it.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Sir. Your intention is noble and I sincerely wish more and more people understand it for the sake of a decent way of following a religion. Wish you all the best. Thanks for your nice response.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Harish..You have shared a beautiful explanation of what followers of the Hindu religion believe & how they live their lives accordingly. This is a more "enlightened" view to the soul. Sadly, for others...blind adherence causes more harm than good
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: If you have not been BAPTIZED with the HOLY SPIRIT; you are a man-made LIAR with man-made interpretations because your "knowledge" is not of GOD but of the world (man)!
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Maricarmjoloposted 11 years ago
The bible says, It is by faith that you have been saved. I believe that if you do not have faith in Jesus, then you will not be saved.
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VickyLuv98posted 11 years ago
yes, i do because the only way to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ. We are taught that you need to be baptized and to have Jesus Christ as your Savior. Sadly if that person is non religious or doesn't believe , but lives a righteous life he will still go to hell.
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So bizarre is your vision of heaven and hell. Could you please bring a quote saying like," if a person is non religious or doesn't believe but lives a righteous life he/she will still go to hell". Either interpretation is wrong or book is not learnt.
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  SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How can a person live a righteous life Harisphrad?
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sirdent, thanks for asking such a question. Please read my response to the main question. As for me, I place the God( God of all beings, not only humans) first place and treat every being as my own soul. Thus I live a righteous life and revere all.
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  SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Harishprasad, have you ever in your life told a lie?
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sirdent, thanks for spelling my name correct. As for lies, yes, so many times, I can't remember the count. However I am accountable to God for them all. It is nice for me that you ask question after question, you really care for me in knowing God.
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  SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Since you admit that you had told many lies, how can you call yourself righteous, Harishprasad?
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sirdent, you are right, calling myself righteous is ignorance. I am indebted to you for pointing out my ignorance. Thank you very much for a penetrative response. God bless you.
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  SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Harishprasad, now that you realize you are not righteous, how do you suppose one can approach God?
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  Harishprasadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am eager to know that from you, may be you are not convinced with my answer to the main question and think that something is lacking in my whole approach to God. You being an highly accomplished person can be helpful to me and I am ready to learn.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Harish: EVERYTHING 1 needs to know re: God & salvation is in Bible! 2 Pet 1:3) II Chron 7:14 is start! Gal 1:6-9 is road to salvation!
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Roy Savageposted 11 years ago
Depends upon your beliefs. Every religion has a "after-life". Some believe that you go to Hell or Heaven. Some believe in reincarnation. Others, such as myself, believe that there are 2 possibilities. You either go to Valhalla and live amongst the Gods and your ancestors or you go to another plane of existence, where those who do bad or break oaths go. This place is ruled by, Hel, a goddess and daughter of Loki.
But you have to find your own path my friend. Find your own faith and never ever let others tell you that you are going to hell. No one, to my knowledge, has ever been there and back, with definitive evidence and said....."This is the truth and only the Truth!" My recommendation is to research different beliefs both Religious and Spiritual. Eventually you will find your own path and belief. One that you truly connect to. But, stay clear of anyone that says you have to believe in their belief and you have to do what their belief says......BULLSHIT!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If so many different races and beliefs - religious and otherwise - exist; God obviously ADORES diversity and thrives in it. 'Scaring' people into believing in a doctrine is done by people in power to control & manipulate the masses. Yeah, BULLSH*
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do u not know Scripture? READ II Kgs 17:29-41! Does he "ADORE" adversity?
  You have no "wisdom" of GOD MISFIT! Who wouldn't fear One whose thunderstorm has enough electricity to light up NY for a year? One thunderstorm!
  BULLSH**?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have a problem believing that God is enough energy to light up the entire world BEYOND NY City. It is your force-fed 'belief' that people NEED to 'believe in' Jesus for salvation that is bs. Nothing but multiple, distorted pagan lies.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JESUS told me to tell u "But if I do, though ye believe me not, BELIEVE THE WORKS: that ye may know, & BELIEVE, that the Father is in ME, & I in HIM"(Jn10:38)! Once we "CONNECT," we don't have to worry about 'save' or 'hell' for it's "IRRELEV
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Saying Jesus told you to tell me whatever is not going to work, Norine. You've got every Christian witnessing trick down pat, don't you? Just DON'T THINK! Hmmm... Where DID that Prayer of Mithras come from & WHY is Imperial Cult so similar? Woops
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Listen girl I didn't go to school to learn this! If it's "down pat" I give GOD the GLORY!
  Again, "I BELIEVE" ("lead & guide"), have exp'd & therein lies the diff! Who cares about "prayer" man made up after holding back TRUTH? U're a FOOL to
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not going to get into a tit for tat about who has the most spiritual experience. I didn't go to school to learn this stuff, either & neither did most other Christians who have discovered it. It is your ignorance that accuses me of lying.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is your "ignorance" that accuses GOD of LYING when HE SAID *HE* would "lead & guide us into ALL truth!"
  What's worst? Me BELIEVING GOD or you believing *man?*
  That shows whose IGNORANT!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I do NOT accuse God of LYING, Norine - I accuse your STUPID, brainwashing book! FYI, for anyone who is listening: THIS is my BIGGEST PROBLEM with dogmatics, they have absolutely NO RESPECT for God within us ALL who needs NO propaganda to exist!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U went to "school" (Researched man) to learn!
  The Book is our instruction on how to "RECONNECT" to THE SPIRIT & if you call THE SPIRIT "stupid book," you blaspheme!
  *HE* SAID HIS "WORD will not come back VOID" & U deny *HE* will "lead &
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Dave Wrightposted 11 years ago
If you don't believe in the Bible, then what is the point of the question?

The Holy Bible is pretty clear that the only way to get to Heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and follow Him and His Word. Read John 3:16.

However, if you don't have faith, and don't believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, then it is just a book written a very long time ago that talks about a place called Heaven and Hell. Do those places even exist? If they do, then those parts of the Bible must be true... and if they are, why wouldn't you follow the road map that was laid out in the rest of the Bible?

The answer is no. Non-Religious people who lead a good life, may be good people, but they have not placed accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, do not follow his word, and have sinned, and will fall short of the Glory of God.

Jesus didn't die on the cross to make good people better. He came to save all who accepted Him and followed His teachings. If you can't even accept that premise, then why even accept the premise that Hell is even a real place?
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  M. T. Dremerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The purpose of the question was to highlight the backwards morality of religion. Condemning good people to eternal torment doesn't sound like something a peaceful god would want.
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  gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good question, MT, I totally agree with you.
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  Dave Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Religion isn't about morality. It is about worshiping a God you believe in and following His teachings.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  MT: "..backwards MORALITY of religion?" GOD is not moral, but "JUST"=diff! Did ur mom's punishment "SEEM" moral? NO! But it was JUST! So it is w/GOD! Who told u HE was "peaceful?" HE SAID "Do not SUPPOSE..." Matt 10:34!
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see-elposted 11 years ago
Belief or non-belief in God does not describe our character as a human being. It is, at best, an emotional or intellectual decision. What defines our human character is how we act toward others and what we do have a positive impact on our community. If there is a God, and I deeply believe there is, He needs nothing from us; whether it be praise, prayer, or commitment. What I believe He wants is partnership in helping to make the human experience a better one for everyone. If there is a day on which we have to account for our actions, and I sincerely hope there is, then what I believe will be important will be how we lived our lives and not what we believed.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MISFIT: Releasing HALF TRUTH is our "TEST" to see if we've "WAITED" for HIS HELP or we will run around like you're doing; "researching" & others who are doing trying to "figure out" if evolution or creation!
  If we "WAIT" HE "reveals"which is TRU
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ijllandryposted 11 years ago
The way to Heaven
Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. He declared this in John 14:6 when He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father but by me.” Many people would object to this claim, holding the belief that there is more than one way to get to heaven. They assert that Christians are “narrow-minded” for believing that blind faith in one savior can allow one into heaven. Are Christians actually narrow-minded for believing this?
Many people today hold the belief that good works, or a lack of bad deeds will be enough to get one into heaven. If one’s good works outweigh one’s bad works, God will overlook the bad and count the good. How could a loving God condemn His creations to eternal punishment? The rebuttal to this type of thinking lies in God’s Word.
It should be noted that man created this problem with sin to begin with. Genesis 2-3 clearly outlines the original sin. It was an informed choice to disobey God. Meaning, man knew that his actions against God’s law were disobedient. Man knew that if he disobeyed God, “you [man and woman] will surely die.” (Genesis 2:17)
What if one does more good works than bad? God can surely overlook one’s sins. This cannot be the case. Romans 3:23 says, “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” “The wages of [our] sin [even one] is death,” Romans 6:23. God can’t allow a sinful human being into heaven without them paying the price, which is death and an eternity in hell. One’s good deeds cannot outweigh one’s bad.
Jesus is the only way to salvation because He did not sin, at all. He kept the law in every point. He was both God and man. Therefore He was a fitting sacrifice, or payment of the wages of our sin. He was punished; He took our sin upon Himself in order to provide a way for us to be allowed into heaven. One must accept this free gift though, in order to be allowed into heaven. Those who don’t, deserve to be condemned to eternity in hell, they made the choice to reject this free gift, “The doors of Hell are locked on the inside.” C.S. Lewis The Problem of Pain Therefore, accept this free gift, it is the only way to come to the Father, through Jesus Christ!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Why "cherry pick" Scriptures? Rm 3:23-25 says "For all "HAVE" sinned..." or did in past (not now) until Christ who's blood has "redeemed us" from sin (v 24) "being JUSTIFIED," (v25) "PAST!"
  
  U thk Holy Spirit leaving or leading?2 Cor 3:18?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I remember not long ago you got so offended when people deleted your name from their QA posts, you take pride in your name ,why would you think less of Jehovah’s name . Jesus says he has made his Father’s name known.(John 17:26)
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't "get offended when they deleted *my* name, but when they deleted THE WORD OF GOD which shows NO RESPECT for HIM! You take "pride" in *your* name; I'm NOTHING but a servant for CHRIST! GOD KNOWS who HE IS - EVERYTHING! Why u not under NC?
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Freeway Flyerposted 11 years ago
I find the concept of hell, as it seems to be generally understood, to be ridiculous. I find it crazy that a supposedly loving and righteous God could condemn anyone to eternal loneliness and/or suffering. People who believe in this idea have either been indoctrinated to the point of no longer being able to be reasonable about religion or have not truly pondered what the concept of eternity really means.

I also find it ludicrous that the afterlife is either one of two extremes: eternal paradise or eternal torment. This is not consistent with the complex world in which we live. People need to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did Jesus say HE was "religious?"
  According to Bible "pure Religion" is "WORK" (Jm 2:27)!
  The Holy Spirit "WORKS" under the New Covenant & is why Jesus "HATES" religion!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T, you'd be surprised at what I've learned in 40 yrs. For instance, did you know that after Adam was banished from the garden of eden he committed suicide? or that Eve was not Adams 1st "companion" in the garden? or that Noahs' youngest was gay
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan: When were you BAPTIZED with the HOLY SPIRIT? If you rely on what "man" has written & have not acquired THE COMMUNICATION LINE TO GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT) you & your man-made "knowledge" is a LIE!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Over the pieces of the game ,because he knows he going to lose. You judge things by human opinion not by the issues of spiritual matters, satan has called all human unfaithful, deserving of death,
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  1 Judge not, norine, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye...Sinaiticus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U didn't get Gen 1 right nor Matt 7:1 which is an IMPERATIVE SENTENCE! GOD LOVES "JUDGMENT" w/HIS WORD for sin (Lev19:17)!
  Google "Is It Right to Judge?"
  No wonder u ran from RELIGION! U didn't know WHAT was going on!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  imperative: giving an authoritative command.
  you use words you obviously dont understand.
  i think you are the one who got it wrong. what makes you think youre going to heaven when all you do is corrupt scripture to fit youre own ideas? god sees you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Corrupt your interpretation of what *you* think the Bible says through "teachings" & not through "the connection" one needs from the HOLY SPIRIT!
  Did I not say "demons" come out? Look at you & this woman called "MISFIT" which is very appropr
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ByHisGrace17posted 11 years ago
You asked the question, I’ll let God answer it though The Bible (The Infallible Word of God) First of all, Christianity is not a “religion” it is a “faith” which is a very common lie or misconception. God made man, man made religion.

http://olghfw.com/media/1/9/2%20Wedding … tament.pdf

Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.”

John 4:16 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice to forgive us from all our sins so that by grace through faith and accepting Him as our Lord and Savior for the remission of our sins might be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

As far as how you live your life being of no consequence unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

No matter what good works John Doe does or how good of a man he is unless he accepts Jesus as his Lord and Savior and repents of his sins and ask for forgiveness good works will not get you into Heaven.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Colossians 1:10

1 John 1:7

Man’s good works will never get him into Heaven without the Blood of Jesus that washes away our sins, that washes us white as snow. You cannot enter into Heaven as a sinner. John Doe can’t wait until he is dead to realize that there is a God.

Luke 16:19-31

We are covered in sin and no amount of good that we can do will ever measure up to the amount of sin we are covered in.

Religious affiliation has nothing to do with getting into Heaven.

Matthew 7

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/salvatio … _grace.htm

I pray that this answers your questions
I know that accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior has been the greatest thing I have ever done with my life

God Bless
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Keep reading Rm 3:23-31! HAVE SINNED means 1 did in PAST! Don't let "religion" fool you!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again Norine if you have to ask for something from some one else you and that person are not the same. Jesus looks up into heaven as he requests. If he was God the Father he would not have to ask anything. He is not the Father.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD was on a Mission "in the flesh" therefore HE had "feelings" as a man & spoke to HIMSELF as we do! Right now I'm praying "LORD, open her "eyes" and since WE are ONE SPIRIT ("IN CHRIST") can't you see the metaphor?
  NOT that I'm GOD but "god!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine if you want to apply curse then start with King James who replace Jehovah with LORD. But can you do that since you think he has no errors that you trust in his translation 100 % maybe he has cursed you for believing in what he has done.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't GOD SAY "I AM" is my Name forever & this is my memorial unto ALL generations" (Exd 3:14-15)? Don't they mean the same thg "WAS, AM, & IS TO COME?" Oh Lord, that "man" chg'd in your *Bible! GOD who "WAS, AM & IS TO COME!"
  *Rev1:8;
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you can not prove anything with a faulty manuel. Just like a car , if the manuel has errors and deletions then you can not use it as valid info over the original text.
  The Bible I use is translated in our Language from Hebrew and Greek.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Faulty manual?" The HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides" me; not a book! Jer 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his brother Saying Know the Lord; (v33) for I will "put my laws in their inward parts!"
  When did you receive the"Communication Li
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avonladykellieposted 11 years ago
There is no such thing as hell. We create our own fears and our own hell in our minds.
When we are cruel to life and or want to be. We create unhealthy spiritual inside us.
We live in our beliefs therefore if we believe in a god, we live in this belief.

It doesn't mean there is one. Controlling ourselves with a belief such as a
god, we are not creating our own beliefs, we are influenced to live by anothers or a churches.

When we live life, care for and love life which means others and nature, we
are a truly loving being. A god is not is this picture we are. Loving and
being true to your own heart instead of anothers is being a true being.

Believing and following someone who is never here is not a healthy spiritual
belief to fall into.

I believe that when we follow and allow anyone especially a god to control my choices, we are more likely to end up in a darker or more ignorant place spiritually.

A true heart creates a true self and lives in their true beliefs only

Hope this helps

Kellie Hastings
believer in truth and love,,,,,not and never in a god
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "A true heart creates a true self and lives in "their" true beliefs only." What basis used for "their true beliefs?" Man has TRUTH?
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cebutouristspotposted 11 years ago
We will never know

What is good or bad is define by our society.

The important thing is just live your life as good as you can within the confine of society and of course law
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan sorry I am so late answering what are limits . Well the whole problem in this world is that people can not mentally seperate what the Heavenly Father is doing ,from what satan is doing. !
  I will shorten this ,there are five important
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sure IS!
  
  Especially when a man has re-written Bible & made ERRORS!
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sehrmposted 11 years ago
All of the answers have been so Christocentric! You know - other religions have their form of heaven. I am one such "non-religious" person (actually I'm not non-religious, but completely atheist), and I believe in a final rest where I let my body decompose into the soil for some oak tree or earth worm to enjoy. Dying thus, there is no judgement.
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  sehrmposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to add to this: no, non-religious people are not going to hell because hell only exists in the minds of the religious.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to disappoint you!
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spock28posted 11 years ago
no they make hell in heaven!1 and heaven in hell!! for they neither believe in hell or heaven only in self!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well "self" we know where they're going! One can call it what they will but HELL (Lake of Fire) exists!
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Mickjiposted 11 years ago
Why do you think that people should go to Hell? Also, do you think that Hell is a bad place? There are religions where Hell doesn't exists, there is only "the good place" and the place where you are now.
Also, isn't it written that at the end God will forgive anyone? So is the lack of beliving a problem or is your fear of the Hell a problem?
In your answers you talk about Jesus ... But which one are you talking about ? The one of the Catholic, the Protestant, or the Jeovaism religion ?
An old says tell "Believe in your God but don't touch mine". The human need to believe in someone higher and bigger because else it will feel all alone and sad. This doesn't mean that every people believe in the same thing. There are some people that think that after death the human will become something else, something that will help someone else. Other simply think that we are energy and will become life energy. There is nothing wrong in this... For example there are indigenos in the forest who neither know that they are not alone and the world is not a huge forest... Who are we to change their life and belief ?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Mic: Spoken as a true unblvr! Eph 4:4-6! "ONE GOD, ONE SPIRIT!" Yes, HELL is a bad pl! Relig where HELL doesn't exist fm Satan not Bible! "Benefits" BEFORE HELL (while alive) more relevant! Avoiding HELL add'l "BENEFIT=ETERNAL LIFE!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Jesus makes that clear in Hebrew and Greek he spoke in .
  Go and read and post the answer it is correct.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again! You defy Scripture! I Pet 3:15 "Be ready ALWAYS to give an answer..."
  I ask AGAIN "After being found guilty, what is GOD going to do with us?"
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ariellesterlingposted 11 years ago
What I would question is whether or not the non-religious person believed in the concept of heaven or hell to begin with...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IGNORANCE of the law or GOD excuses no man!
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turboguyposted 11 years ago
The standard God has is the same for the Christian as for the one who is not a Christian. And it is not based on works or religious affiliation It is based on what you did with God's Son while here on earth. God decides, not man.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  James 2:21
  
  Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Deb: Do u live under OLD COVENANT when JESUS came, DIED, & left NEW COVENANT? Did He DIE in VAIN?
  
  "WORKS" by Abraham was "BELIEVING" (FAITH/MENTAL WORK) GOD would intervene & HE DID!
  
  MAN looks "carnally" re: WORKS v HOLY SPIRIT "WORKS!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  True Jesus was a helper a master builder.
  Ge 1:26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image,according to our likeness,
  (Our) simply says and means he was assited.
  Later we learn the name was Micheal the Archangel to Jesus a earthly assignment
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Girl, GOD operates in "GLORIES" different Ones but JESUS was "the brightness of HIS GLORY" (Heb1:3) OR the BEST "GLORY" manifested (ITim3:16)! Look @ Heb1:8! GOD called HIS "Son" GOD? Although NWT says "ONE" SPIRIT (ICor12) look how he "contradicts
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Unknown Inkposted 11 years ago
The answer isn't as simple mainly because we are not God to decide. There is a reason there is something called a 'day of judgement'... I assume it is for the reason to decide or judge on heaven/hell factors.

As far as being religious is concerned; if you find peace in following a certain religion and be a good human by all means go ahead. However, if you are not religious yet are humane by every definition then you should have peace knowing that at the very least you are making a difference and helping people. No one really knows what happens in the after life; we all just assume a set of things based on our particular beliefs.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "No one really knows what happens in the after life;" if an unbeliever for IT IS WRITTEN!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is clear as a guide of truth . The phrase after life is an Eygptain term.
  The Bible is very clear there is no activity when you die.
  Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, .....
  PS 115:17 ,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Daniel 12:2; Matt9:24; Rev 14:13; Jn5:28-29; Ps17:15; Is26:19; I Thess4:13-18; Ecc12:7; Phil123: IICor5:8; Jn14:1-3; Matt10:28; Matt27:52; Jn10:28; II Tim4:1; Rm2:6-8; Rev2:7; Rev22;12-14; I Cor15:12-23;Phil3:11;ITh4:13-18;Jn6:44; Rm6:5-11;Phil3:14;
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Also Norine a real Doctor is not taught his profession out of one publication.
  His research and studies are many books
  You can not based truth out of on bible or belief in one publication of one translation.
  KJV is a poor translation.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We were TOLD by JESUS (aka GOD) "HE" would "lead & guide us into "ALL" truth" (Jn14:26;16:13)! Either u BELIEVE "GOD" or NOT!
  When 1 has acquired a "Connection Line" (aka Holy Spirit via "WAITING" Acts 1:4) to HIM, HE tells us TRUTH & NOT a
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Julie there are people who just died because of crime and they just started going to worship. So that is why we understand the Father's thinking is not human thinking. Re 20:5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were end
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where is "just started going to worship" in WORD?
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healthyfitnessposted 11 years ago
This is the root problem of the whole hell and heaven thing. If someone is ignorant to them how would they know the requirements? I think the concept was necessary back in the day before we could explain morals and fully understand our actions, but nowadays they aren't as necessary imo.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No one is "Ignorant to them & doesn't know the requirements" IF they obeyed "LAST" commandment (Acts1:4) "WAIT" for HELP from the HOLY SPIRIT (Jn14:26)!
  "Back in the day?" Heb13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday,today & forever!"
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dailytop10posted 11 years ago
I think not. I believe that above anything else, how you treat others matter most. A religious only by name has shallow faith but one who practices what he preaches proves that he truly understands God's words.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I believe ALL "religious" people are going to HELL!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine the Angel makes this clear.
  Joh 4:23Re 19:10 At that I fell down before his feet to worship him. But he tells me: “Be careful! Do not do that! I am only a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "To worship who?" ERROR!
  Vs1 says "a great voice of much people" v4 "24 elders & the beast" v5 "And a voice saying Praise our God" (not JESUS talking) v7Lamb is come (not talking) v10 "Get up I'm fellow servant"v11;13;16 GOD (aka JESUS)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan the chess pieces our us and satan is a sore loser the earth is the board of life ,if we stand on satan side we have already loss ,but the board belongs to our Heavenly Father, the difference is God can restore and undo all damage, satan can not
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U "stand on Satan's side" when you believe (as NWT states) "holy spirit" (sm "h" & "s") is NOT JESUS when that same book says JESUS SAID "the Father would send IN MY NAME.."(Jn14:26;NWT)!
  What kind of FOOL r u believing a "cult?"
  U "drunk the coo
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Sneha Moreposted 11 years ago
I believe that there is a power who is the creater n religions are way of life which will guide u for of life and nothing u should do good deeds u dnt need to worship god n follow ur religion but u need to jst make sure that u r not going on any wrong path , god has created us he will not punish u for ur disbelief in him if u r a good person u deserve to b sent to heaven .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who told u "HE will not punish for disbelief in him if ur r a "good person" u deserve to go to heaven?" Not the WORD=GOD!
  
  "..he will not punish u for ur disbelief in him if u r a good person u deserve to b sent to heaven.
  
  Satan's job (Jn 10:10)
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus specifically says "the only way to the father is through me". I think, based on the different replies, that christianity is not the only way to god even though the christian bible says different. So, who is right & who is wrong..does it mat
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is for all humans ,God's word existed before it added Christ the Son of God. So its a human guide of past ,present and future events that will effect every life on earth even in death there is still a gift to be resurrected back .
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All religious texts are for all people. How when and why they became divisive is anyones' guess but to arbitrarily put the bible above all others even though it came well after several other belief systems with similar stories is a bit arrogant.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T "Christ was there "from the beginning" (Jn1:14;Jn17:5; Rev1:8;11) why do u believe otherwise?
  Ivan: I Jn 4:1! We have a "choice" (Josh24:15)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Humans are partial! Its clearly addresses man ,woman and child, humans add their own prejudices and distinctions.
  Anyone can read the bible from around the world and get the same benefits if applied and lived by.But also the opposite reaps something
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: That's why there are 33K+ denominations in US! They don't OBEY GOD & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HELP (Jn14:26;16:13) therein TRUTH & NO CONSEQUENCES!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And it why there are 33K+ denominations in US! That didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HELP (Jn14:26;16:13) from the HOLY SPIRIT who "leads & guides us into "ALL" TRUTH - THEN - NO CONSEQUENCES!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Julie ones life cut short on earth may continue after the resurrection. At that time one will live in a cleansed earth free from sickness ,free from crime, free from satans influence . It will then be a judgment time under those conditions.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U defy Scripture by NOT giving WORD for "your" belief (IITim3:16)! Why should 1 blv what "you" say? Back it up w/WORD!
  I'm still waiting for an answer: What has the HOLY SPIRIT spoken to you "DIRECTLY?" It only appears "brainwashing" by man
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rosafilipinaposted 11 years ago
We need to accept people the way they are since God has good reasons for creating them. We would not learn if everything is good. God has created the world perfectly. There is always the opposite of everything. We do not have the right to judge how non-religious they are since we are all sinners. We need to think and feel positively to make our actions toward other people passive that would create a sound environment and make ourselves happy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  WRONG!
  Did JESUS "accept people the way they are"(Matt23)? When HE did HE told them to "GO & sin no more" (Jn8:11)!
  As DISCIPLES, we are to "CORRECT" (2Tim3:16) & "TEACH"(Matt28:19)!
  Why the world in such a MESS!
  Google "Is it right to
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Deborah Sextonposted 11 years ago
No, they are not going to hell. It is the deeds of mercy and a good life that connects us to God. God would never send a person such as this to a hell
Faith alone does not save us..works do
James 2:14
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Works justify us

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Deb: "Works" r not "doings!" Do u know "Faith" won in Abraham's case 2? Ex: If dr tells u, u have 1 mo to live, do u not "WORK" using ur FAITH by BELIEVING "That's not what MY God says rather "By His stripes I (we) ARE healed!" That takes "WORKS!"
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richstadposted 11 years ago
Yes. Human works do not help you get to Heaven. Only accepting Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will do it. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no-one gets to the Father except through Me."
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Eph 2:9!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did not mean that HE was 'the way' - he meant that his christos within (that exists with all) is the way. He was showing people they didn't NEED the pagan salvation of Mithras or Apollo, etc. The Jewish Law Jesus fulfilled was Kabbalah.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's in us BUT we have to "flip the switch" by BELIEVING & having "FAITH" in HIS PROMISES!
  Paul was "chosen" (Acts 9:15) to tell us how to "flip the switch" or Kabbalah (aka "receive") the spirit in us which lies dormant w/o BELIEF!
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Calvin L Dunbarposted 11 years ago
The whole point here is that God wants all of each of us. It is not by our works that we may enter into he kingdom of heaven, but by the grace of God. We can never be ood for God. Our good is as filthy rags. The only way to avoid hell is to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and then live according to his righteousness which is found in the Bible and then hell can never be an option. John 3:16 in the bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! Gal 1:6-9! Study!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Uday No you can not go to any different bank accept the real title of your bank you deposit your money in.
  True there is no hell ,that is a contaminated
  Doctrin, the word does not exist in Hebrew or Greek to mean what people believe.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Either you believe the Bible or not! If GOD "killed" in the OT & Heb 13:8 says Jesus Christ is the same then as now (Rev1:8;11) HE'LL "kill" in LOF!
  Your "man" has changed the "doctrine" of Christ via NWT!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GE-HINNOM – ...According to Jer. vii. 31 et seq., xix. 6 et seq., it was to be turned into a place of burial; hence "the accursed valley Ge-hinnom" ("Gehenna" in the N. T.) came to be synonymous with a place of ...punishment, and thus with hell.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan true this place actually existed as a garbage dump. When we send our garbage to a dump we do not retrieve it is destroyed forever and forgotten.like your garbage last year is over with.
  Jesus used this example to explain how humans could l
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It still exists dear heart. It sounds good that it doesn't exist but GOD doesn't CHANGE (Lk 16:24)!
  Do u know you're going to have to give in account for "leading HIS sheep astray" (Jer 23:1)?
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Oztinatoposted 11 years ago
No way will any such person go to any hell.
A kind compassionate and good atheist is just as good as a good Christian.
It is acts of kindness that count and not just words.
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  Omer123posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  if you are atheist then how you can limit , how you can know this is good and that work is bad or sin ? hah no faith mean no limitation and no worries about any work ...
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Micheal he said at Lu 23:43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
  Jesus was telling him he would be resurrected.
  Hab 2:14For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah ,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  He would be resurrected because HE BELIEVED! Not unbelievers going to "Paradise" but LOF (aka HELL) even ur NWT says (Lk16:24)!
  Do u realize u're going to have to give in acct for LIES told before JEHOVAH even in IGNORANCE (Jer23:1)?
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theman6007posted 10 years ago
Modern Christianity has it's roots in the Egyptian mystery cults. Even Moses was a member of the mystery cult. He knew all of the Egyptian mystery systems. The Bible can attest to this. Now as time passed, the mysteries were rearranged by the people who conquered Egypt. Osiris, Isis, and Horus became the father,son, and the holy ghost.The Catholic church became the dominate religion that used the concept of hell to keep it's members true to the Catholic dogma. And if you did not believe the Catholic dogma, you and your family members were burned at the stake.Wars were fought over whose religion should be the dominate religion. Once the religious wars ceased, then wars of ideology commenced. The Muslims are still fighting religious wars. As a result of all of this chaos, hell was created right here on earth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If u blv "Modern Christianity has it's roots in the Egyptian mystery cults.," then u don't blv in God! Yes, GOD allowed man "free will," as He does today, but got tired as He will today then "the judgment" & 1 will "see" the inevitable (hell)!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Zarathustra (Sumerian Noah) came well before that of the biblical Noah yet they are the same. The story of the first created Adam was written first by the Sumerians as well. If they were written first by Sumerians how can the bible claim them?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Steven has spoken great truth here.
  Symbols of Eygpt plague christians.
  Jesus himself did not wear symbols even though the cross existed as a fertility symbol called the Aunkh.
  But after his death they use it with his body on it .how disgusting
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!
  Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine it's simple stated ,Byington
  Joh 17:5 now glorify me in turn, Father, alongside yourself with the glory that I did have alongside you before the world was.
  Jesus then called Micheal worked beside his Father. he ask him to do something .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well that "man" changed your Bible! Look how your Jn1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word & the Word was w/God & the Word was "a" god not was THE GOD but "a" god (little g) signifying other god not "THE" GOD?
  How'd u get mixed up n that?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine address the comments based on truth and subject. King James of 1600 is not a bible to compare truth with. He deleted God's personal name into LORD that is wrong. So until you can find a better translations to compare no match .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Until you acquire a "Connection" to GOD ("WAIT" Acts 1:4) & allow HIM do as HE PROMISED ("lead & guide" Jn14:26;16:13), you will fall for ANYTHING!
  Bible=Schoolmaster; but after "Connection Line" acquired, HE tells us TRUTH-"DIRECTLY"(Jer 3
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Quote: "Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!"
  Well, since Zarastrutha came first I thinks it's obvious who we should "believe". When one steals the works of another as his own it's called "plagearizing" regardless of who believes it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Not according to *my* belief! MY GOD created your "Zarathustra" (Col2:8)! The philosophy of men have NO meaning to *my* belief in a "SPIRITUAL" GOD!
  Keep believing philosophy & maybe you'll find "evolution" is true as did your forefathers!
  (HA
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Either you believe GOD or Zarathustra!" were your words not mine.
  "Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy"
  Its not philosophy, it's dated fact, the flood story of Zarathustra was the original.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your "dated fact" means NOTHING to me because "facts" to man is different from "facts" with GOD!
  
  "He who has "ears," let them "hear" (Matt 13:9)!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You say "Your "dated fact" means NOTHING to me because "facts" to man is different from "facts" with GOD!"
  So stealing the stories of older religions and saying they came from God is somehow a "fact" of Gods?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't matter what "man" says; BUT what GOD has DONE in my life by standing on HIS PROMISES ("FACTS")!
  As far as I'm concerned, "man" can PROVE his "theory" on WHATEVER, but because I've EXPERIENCED HIS PROMISES "TRUE;" there's no changing!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Would you mind sharing with us some of those promises God has stood on with you and in your life? Afterall, isn't sharing the "good news" a responsibility of the christian?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Why? To "mock!" You don't "believe" so you wouldn't believe no matter WHAT I said!
  I've shared before on HP!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No, I won't mock you. And what matters to you is what YOU believe. I'm just trying to understand how people can have such blind faith in a religion that "mirrors" it's tenets after an earlier religion that it now considers false or untrue.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You'll NEVER understand because of "unbelief" which stifles "supernatural experiences" from GOD which gives one "proof;" HE FULFILLS PROMISES!
  One "can't enter because of "unbelief" (Heb3:19)!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have experienced the supernatural. So apparently "believing" in God is not a pre-requisite for it. There are many Empathetics who'll tell you the same thing. Not saying your view is wrong but that there are others. BTW, christianity is from judaism
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I said "STIFLES" bcuz "Gifts are W/O REPENTANCE" (Rm11:29)! That's why Matt 7:22!
  I don't care where "man's Christianity" comes from, mine comes from following the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I said "STIFLES" bcuz "Gifts are W/O REPENTANCE" (Rm11:29)! That's why Matt 7:22!
  So then according to this God gives those gifts regardless of whether we repent or not? or am I misinterpreting it?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  TRUE based on WORD (Rm11:29)! Don't you remember when Pharoh's magicians thru their rods down & they became serpents but Moses' serpent ate them up?Those (evil) powers were "gifts" fm GOD (Is45:7)! So were those in Matt7:22! 1 can be easily foole
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan there are people who do not accept Jesus or the Father .
  True we all recieve his kindness and blessings to use his power to live and resources,without these no human could live.
  And yet even the Atheist use his gifts.
  But there is a limit .
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So, regardless of how man uses these "gifts" from God, God allows us them. Alright, I understand that, but I'm not sure of why God would do that. I would think that he'd reserve such for his faithful, no? & what are those "limits" you mentioned,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No "limits" in THIS WORLD; consequences but no "limits!" OK "witchcraft" for example! Satan has "power" too (IThess2:18)! God ALLOWS evil to overrule & receive "GLORY!"We MUST stay "on guard" w/HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT(Eph6:10-12)!GOD "reveals" to HIS
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the TALMUD (Shab. 104b), "Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it."
  Sounds like an Egyptian connection to me.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where did I get mine from? HE passed it on to me?
  THANK GOD!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Here is proof ! 34 hours ago under Tom Ware name and coment box.
  .MF: U don't believe "The Prophets," U don't believe Revelations,
  Misfit had no comment anywhere on the page . you are a liar and you do not live what you preach.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AGAIN, I was addressing "M"i-s-"F"-i-t (MF)! "No weapon that's formed against u shall prosper;& every tongue that shall rise against u in judgment u shall condemn.This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD,&their righteousness of me."(I
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TammyCrawfordposted 10 years ago
If people don't truly know God how do they expect to live with him. Would you let strangers come and live in your house.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! AND it's ALL SPIRITUAL!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Tetragrammaton in Hebrew is YHWH which is Jehovah.King James admits this even though he deleted his name over 6,000 times Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH --
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JEHOVAH & I AM is definition for HIS "FUNCTIONS" (aka GLORIES) not the Name we will "bend our knees to!" Your NWT says at the Name of JESUS every knee shall "bend their knees"...(Phil2:10) why "bend our knees" to someone who is NOT GOD?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Jesus is our paid entrance to Jehovah. He is the only one that died in our behalf . he never sinned or deserved to die .so when he did the value was like our paid ticket into the new system under his rulership.
  Again he is our key to Jehovah.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Even your NWT says ITim3:15-16 GOD was manifested in the flesh v15 speaking of GOD v16 says HE was manifested in the flesh! JESUS is GOD'S Greatest "GLORY" of manifestation to men but THE SAME SPIRIT! "Spin off" trinity doctrine otherwise!
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Rosualdo Ponceposted 10 years ago
A good life apart from Jesus is based on man's righteousness or worldly standards. A good life without Jesus goes to eternal doom. Whoever has the Son (Jesus Christ) has life, whoever has not the Son has no life.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Very true you can not recieve benifits if you are not signed up for them .
  Jesus did his part of the assignment.
  At lease out of appreciation we can show support this leads to receiving the benifits under his kingship.
  If you decline that choice
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How do we "show support?" By "DOING" right or by BELIEVING & OBEYING HIS commands?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Then you apply that meaning by showing where omnipresent is located in the Bible .
  I am waiting for scripture.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again I say: Jer 23:24!
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akshay199325posted 10 years ago
Absolutely not . It is your doings in the world which decide where you will go after death
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Dakkposted 9 years ago
This depends on each person's religion, obviously, but I believe that no, a person that leads a good life is not going to hell.

However, I'm (kind of) a spiritist, so there's that. I believe that, as long as a person tries to evolve personally and has love for people in general, and also acts according to said feelings, then there's no such thing as hell for them.

Even in christianity, the concept of an eternal hell is a very controversial topic, and doesn't actualy exist in judaism (gehenna and sheol are temporary, more akin to the purgatory than hell). Eternal hell is a greek pagan concept that got adapted into christianity after Jesus Christ's lifetime.

Hell isn't an actual thing in religions that influenced christianity. Hermeticism has no concept of hell, altough there are references to "ignorant" souls being tortured by demons, but even that is temporary, since every spirit that does not achieve "knowledge" in hermeticism is bound to reincarnate in one way or another.
Gnosticism tells us that, technically, we are already in hell, since the worst state of existence is being trapped in the physical universe of the Demiurge, from which we must escape to get back to the original spiritual realm of the gods, since souls are divine sparks trapped in the physical world by the Demiurge out of jealousy.

Eternal hell isn't even a common concept in asian religion. In hinduism/buddhism, every single hell is temporary, altough they last a long time.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: NWT=Jn 14:26 HS sent "IN MY NAME" (JesusSAY) & Acts 7:51, "..ye RESIST the holy spirit (Sm "h" & "s")!
  What kind of "FOOL" would defy HS; "own" Bible (NWT)?
  Your "cult" defies JESUS who we "bend our knees" (Phil2:10;NWT) because H
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine case and point what people you know wake up and sa" Ye are to go to the the store" you use a bible not your language and can not currently or accurately explain the truth from the language spoken in.
  Ivan has a good point about you
  Get help.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  DEMONS "agree" (Ps119:63;Matt12:26)!
  U "FOOL!" Carnal lang differ fm HOLY SPIRIT lang! HS (aka JESUS) makes ALL "ONE" language (Acts2:8) but u wouldn't know this since "cult" doesn't TEACH referring to HIM w/lil "h" & "s!"
  No understandn(2Cor4:3
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That "cult" has TAUGHT u to DENY the POWER (Acts1:8) of HS; losing souls!
  Until u do, seems u need "HELP" fm JESUS (aka HS) to "lead & guide u into ALL truth"(Jn14:26)!
  Who could've make up that org but Satan to "lose souls?"
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Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago
Good question , but the true God is of Justice ,and you can take confort in knowing this fact,Isa 55:8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
That is the point here these are man's thoughts not God the Father.
Hell in Hebrew in the original text does not mean to burn in a fire. But King James an episcopal used the word to his belief of the 1600's
The word in Hebrew was hades , Sheol , simple a person's grave.
Look up the Hebrew meaning.
Hell is a man made doctrine used in the wrong way.

If this was the case of hell then why would Jesus say
Death was the wages of sin. Meaning sins are paid when death happens.
Ro 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord

Example if you work a Job your wages are paid after the work is done.
When paid , do you say I was not paid and look for another check or money when the money is in your hand?
The case is close after you were paid fees
Your sins case is close once death paid for them.
In order for you to burn in a fire , you would not be dead to know this.
The clearly says this (Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten)
Means no memory activities is present.
To conclude in truth notice .Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
The bible is very clear no activity is going on in the grave.
So do not fear what man has written. God almighty is not cruel people are who believe this.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U forgot "God is the SAME yesterday, today & forever!" What did He do in OT to unblvrs? Hell (death) is there for us2! U INSIST on "looking @ Bible LITERALLY/CARNALLY! Our spirits will NEVER die! "MAN'S" teachings KILL v HOLY SPIRIT
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I arise to here you complain of the word blazing fire.
  Compared again to KJV. I already helped you to see KJV has ruined the bible from his 1600's version, why don't you use another version to prove a point ,you hate for no reason at all
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I "hate" the man that has "brainwashed" JW'S souls to believe nonsense hence forming a "cult" based on ONLY ONE of GOD'S NAMES or FUNCTIONS! Everything he states is under OC or Phil2:10 in NWT LIED! Why "knees bending" to other than GOD?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well you are not obeying Jesus because Jesus says pray for your enemies. He never said hate anyone.
  And again JW is not an ocult. ocults are private with secrets and magic. We do neither. We are public servants ID is in bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I pray for ALL but hate LIARS moreso those who "lose souls!"
  Oh yes! HE HATES UNRIGHTEOUSNESS (LIARS)!
  Why we "bending our knees" to someone other than GOD (NWT; Phil2:10)?
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C McNairy Wight 1posted 9 years ago
God loves everyone. We will all be resurrected. Those who did not accept Christ in this life will be given chances in the next life. Christ will do anything to get us back in His fold. I do not believe in Hell, except for the Sons of Perdition. -those who knew the gospel was true by revelation from God and denied it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who told u this Carol? Explain Heb 9:27 "And it's appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment!"
  READ Heb 3:15-19!
  Can u provide Scripture for your belief? I'm open for learning!
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  C McNairy Wight 1posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, I wrote a Hub about it. Look for "In response to Norine"
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Carol! I'll read!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan 5 spirit bodies that are involved in all human life.They are not visible to the human eye as air is to the eye.
  But they have a great influence on us all.
  I will list. (Jehovah, Jesus, Angels ,satan ,demon angels.)
  People are fooled who
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yalḳ. ii. 296 to Isa. xxvi. 2 says: "Moved to pity by this Amen from the dwellers of hell, God will bid the angels Michael and Gabriel release them from hell and place them in paradise".
  so much for how you live while on earth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They'll be "released from hell" ONLY if they believe while on earth (Hebrews 3:19)!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If they believed while on earth they wouldn't be in hell in the first place. Hebrews 3:19 has nothing to do with the term "Amen" getting anyone released from hell;Yalḳ. ii. 296 does.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When "never there in the 1st place" they've found "release" or "Salvation" & will "never be there in the 1st place" & will "enter" because they BELIEVED!
  Ivan tell me what Isaiah 48:12 says in your Religion?
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Blessed Hillposted 9 years ago
Doesn't really matter what you or I believe about the fate of other people, whether they are hell or heaven bound. That is their burden to carry. The best thing you and I can do is make sure we are sure about our own eternity. It's a very dangerous slippery slope when we continuously preoccupy ourselves with the fate of others. We don't know every detail of their lives to base a belief on whether or not they will go to hell.
If God is a righteous and just God and He sends someone to hell, don't you think it would be for a righteous and just reason. If you say no, then mankind has no right incarcerating another human being. Righteousness and justice must prevail or the entire universe would spiral into chaos.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You are NOT a "Disciple of Christ" if you can't teach w/WORD "correcting" (2Tim 3:16) which u call "judging! Is 59:8 "...there is no JUDGMENT n their goings: they've made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace."
  I Pet4:17!
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  Blessed Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Norine but you don't get to decide whether I am a disciple of Christ or not. He called me, He saved me and He will finish the good work He started in me. Your scripture quoting is like clanging cymbals in my ears. Irritating!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I give WORD so it not "me" but GOD TALKING! HE gets to decide & if u go AGAINST HIS WORD, u R NOT a Disciple of Christ! Just bcuz I quote what HE'S SAID & u've not been "taught" doesn't make HIS WORD WRONG!
  U have "itching ears!"
  "Finish?"R
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  Blessed Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  God bless you Norine
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  GOD bless u as well!
  But WORD will NOT CHANGE no matter what you've been "taught!"
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Kay-ce L Adamsposted 8 years ago
It is left to your interruption. It does clearly give you the guidelines for what is expected and what is not in the bible for getting into heaven.

"Good" is only a term relative to the person who is claiming it. A good person can still be unsaved.

I guess, it would really matter about what God considers and less what we do.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! "For by GRACE are you 'saved' through FAITH; and that NOT of yourselves: it is THE GIFT of GOD: Not of WORKS, lest ANY MAN should BOAST" (Eph 2:8-9)!
  Too Good to Be TRUE NEWS" - THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST!
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  Kay-ce L Adamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Who took down your question re: Christians arguing amongst themselves?
  You?
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  Kay-ce L Adamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I did because I could edit the typo. I'm going to be putting it back up though. It is something I want to know how people answer.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Great! I had responded & "ready to post," then - message "taken down!"
  Disappointment!
  
  Blessings
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  Kay-ce L Adamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry. I didn't want to give someone a reason to miss the point of the question.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine That scripture in Jeremiah does not say omnipresent.
  
  Byington
  Ps 115:16 The heavens are Jehovah’s heavens, but the earth he has given to mankind.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If "we can't hide from HIM" (Jer23:24) HE must be "looking" which means "HE fills the heaven & earth" (SPIRIT)!
  You KEEP looking "carnally!"
  Yes we have "dominion" over earth (Gen 1:26) BUT HE'S watching!
  BE CAREFUL (Ps 105:15)!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF "HE FILLS THE HEAVEN & EARTH" isn't HE PRESENT (aka Omnipresent)?
  Why defy Scripture just to be "right?"
  IF "IT IS WRITTEN" leave IT alone or you'll have to give in account for your actions!
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Ivan Todposted 8 years ago
"We have taken something that never was and turned it into everything that is and ever will be...that something is god."

That being said, heaven and hell are constructs generated by beings much more intelligent than we were at the time of their dissemination. Is god good? well, it would seem not in the Old Testament as it is full of preferential treatment and do as I say...or I'll kill you and your entire family commentary. The New Testament however, takes a more moderate approach. One that attempts to persuade through promises of things unattainable in mundane life, rather than through direct threats of violence as with the OT. As such god is not personally present in the NT. He sends Jesus in his stead, because no one likes a bully, with the "love is the only way" approach, .
Since heaven, being a construct of the NT, cannot be verified, we have to consider the fact that "heaven" is christian creation and as such in order to go to heaven one must be a faithful practicing christian. All others are doomed to the fires of hell...
Fortunately, we are not all believers of heaven and hell therefore we don't all have a desire for one or fear of the other. There are very many people who live in a manner very similar to christianity...almost identically, with one exception, they have chosen no faith other than faith in people themselves and for that, according to the bible, they are going to hell rather than heaven.
My personal belief is that the bible is the greatest terrorist handbook ever devised. It takes us all the way from how to begin how to proceed and eventually generate what is called the "Stockholm Effect" of having ones "captives" literally side with and incorporate their captors ideologies. We know through verses in the OT and his removal from the NT that god is in fact Not a nice being.
So, I'll conclude with a statment I heard on tv the other night that I hope will give you at least one answer;
two people were walking down the street and one said to the other "we're gonna go to hell for that", the other person said I can't go to hell because I'm not religious and don't believe in it, you, on the other hand are doomed!".
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Why then are there so many believers vs unbelievers?
  Are that MANY "IGNORANT?"
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There are close to 8,000,000,000 people on earth. About 2,250,000,000 are said to be christian. So your "vs." theory is wrong and depending on who you ask many would say that "believers" are actually the ignorant ones...Knowledge holds the answers.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  According to a survey by World Religions Religion Statistics Geography Church Statistics ppl who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics & atheists" account for only 14% of the WORLD'S population; 14% of 7 BILLION is only 980 million people!"
  Why
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine if I ask you to do something it is no way we could be the same person.
  Because if Jesus was God the Father he would not ask to glorify him beside him the way it use to be.
  Jesus is limited because he asks the Father.
  Joh 5:19.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That metaphor signifies the desire of GOD'S heart to "get out of the flesh" & reconcile back to THE SPIRIT like we desire if "IN CHRIST!"
  Girl, u can't "look @ "the letter" (IICor3:6)! HE told us to "WORSHIP IN SPIRIT & IN TRUTH" (Jn4:23-24)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did this in scripture say metaphor, No !
  Joh 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.
  Again he asks something from the Father .
  Joh 17:9 I make request concerning them; I make request,
  Here he ask
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You KEEP looking @ "THE LETTER!" The Bible is written in allegories, metaphors, parables & illustrations! We "MUST" have a "Connection Line" to "understand!" That's why there are 33K+ denominations; NO CONNECTION; ONLY "interpretations!"
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AF Mindposted 8 years ago
Faith and works must go hand in hand. I can't have a total good morality without my faith. But my faith is no excuse to sin. All praises to the Most High.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You don't "WORK" for "salvation" or you don't need the HOLY SPIRIT!
  "...Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of FAITH"(Gal 3:2?
  "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse..." (Gal 3:10)!
  Gal1:6-9!
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Julie Nouposted 8 years ago
It is not about being religious or not. It is about having a "relationship" with the Lord. With your example, you can't have a relationship if you already died. Same as it is with God. A person is given a fairly amount of years to get to know Him and accept Him as their personal Saviour and create a relationship with Him, but sadly, even though they have heard it, they just wouldn't accept it.

[Btw, "knowing" and "accepting" are two different things.]

God gave us the Bible as a instruction or guide for our living, and one of them is Romans 10:9, where it say, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Once John Doe dies, he could not do this since he is already dead. And even if he was a good person, God is just, and He wouldn't break His own rule. John Doe has his chance, a lifetime of chance, and that chance equals to God's mercy, because God doesn't want anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), hence the reason He died on the cross -- He had done His part, now all you need is to do yours, and that is to confess that you're a sinner and accept Christ as your personal Saviour.

It's a easy as that...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Julie FIRST one has to follow "instructions" in Rm 10:14-17 in order to "call upon the name of the Lord!" One has to know what to "BELIEVE" in! (v17) "So then FAITH cometh by "hearing," and "hearing" by the WORD of GOD!"
  Verses 14-15 is HARD!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What if John Doe was a Musslim? or a Buddhist or any other non-christian? Do their relationships with their Gods count for anything? It sounds like you're saying that ones religion doesn't matter as long as their respective Gods are one in the same.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Julie you have spoken some truth , but you have forgotten and important thing Babies die they have had no life time to get to know the Heavenly Father. There are people who die as heros saving others lifes , there are people who are mentally sick
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  Julie Nouposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As for Ivan: Muslim or not, you need to be born again in God's family first in order to have a relationship with Christ. Salvation is open to everyone, regardless of your religion or the color of your skin or the status of your life.
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If ONLY it were that easy! Mussilim faith is about 900 or so years old. It has 1.7 billion faithful. Being "born again" does not pertain to the 2nd largest faith driven group. Are you saying 23% of the population is wrong in how they believe?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan according to the Heavenly Fathers view the number of religious believers have nothing to do with Gods choice of chosen servants.
  It is written many will have the wrong path and few will find the right one.
  The door is cramp because of morals.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Matt12:36-37!
  I would like to know since the Holy Spirit lives in you, what "Greater things than these" have you done (Jn14:12)? Tell us what HE has "revealed" to u, vision given, dream dreamed, etc How has he spoken to u DIRECTLY?
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God doesn't speak to me at all. John 14:12 makes no mention of any particular works so I'm not quite sure why you point out that verse. Anyway, the Talmud says I get to go to heaven anyway in the end so I'll see you there whether I believe it or not.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  With most holy and holy. Where is the priest that would offer up your gift offering for your sins behind the most holy ?
  Ivan something is wrong.
  It started when the Jews rejected Gods seed provided as our Messiah.
  Your curtain torn to pieces
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Why did GOD "speak to "chosen" disciples/prophets,etc? IF HE doesn't "speak to you," something is WRONG! I don't think your unbelief will allow you to "see *me* in heaven!"
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No, we're all born completely connected to God via our eternal 'christos' within. At birth, we get 'ego' meant to help us navigate this world. We go thru experiences, learn from them, potentially overcome them (or not) - body dies, ego falls away.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MS: U & Ivan think alike "I'll see u in heaven whether I believe or not" bcuz (u say) I have Christos! lol
  Keep thinking HE'S in unbelievers & DIE! See where disobedient children end up!
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Angele Parrisposted 8 years ago
Why do people think God is a good God? He drowned Pharaoh's army - good and bad. In New Testament, Paul was called to preach the gospel. If one lived a good life, but did not accept the message of Jesus Christ that person was not saved.

There are good Buddhists, Hindus, and Moslems. Good preachers of these religious philosophy. What is God going to do? Convert them to Christianity?

What also frustrates me, is John Jones, who is a hardened criminal, has a long arrest sheet, accepts Jesus in his dying bed in prison, and ends up forgiven in heaven.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 24:14 "And THIS gospel of the kingdom of heaven will be preached to ALL nations (Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims,etc)..." They hear NOW!
  ONLY GOD "draws!"
  GOD looks @ the HEART!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I dont think god is good, Angela, and apparently neither does the new testament sinces he's not in it. What do you do with something thats come to be known as not very good but you cant get rid of it altogether? You work AROUND it...OT=god NT=jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD is JESUS (in the flesh; ITim3:16) in NT until HE "reconciled" to SAME SPIRIT, Ivan!
  U read the LETTER which KILLETH (IICor3:6)!
  HE is SPIRITUAL not LITERAL & "REMEMBERS OUR SINS NO MORE ("GRACE") - "BETTER PROMISES!"
  WONDERFUL JESUS!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ivan when you dont believe in the Good of Heavenly Father , then good does not exist , So now you want people to believe your good and right. Remember you dont believe in God the Father. So the only thing you are standing for is evil. No hope
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Can't you see that you are doing the SAME THING not believing Scripture? If JESUS ("IN MY NAME" Jn14:26) said *HE* (aka HOLY SPIRIT) would "lead&guide" us & you DEFY; you do THE SAME THING fulfilling Matt7:22!
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  Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I dont believe. Even so my life is filled with "EARTHLY" good.
  K&T, NW says U&I are doing the same thing. In her offset thinking since your bible is different from hers you are a blasphemer, liar & sinner headed straight to hell.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
  JESUS' LAST COMMANDMENT was to "WAIT" (Acts1:4) for the "PROMISE" (Jn14:26;16:13) who would "lead & guide us" but JW"S don't believe!
  What's that?
  HE also "commanded us" to "GIVE AN ANSWER for the "HOPE" this is in us" (IPet3:15) but she wo
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We ALL end up in heaven, because this world is nothing but a learning hologram for us eteral souls in which WE create our temp reality. We're basically in creation boot camp, ha! John Jones was deceived and realizes it when he dies and goes, "Oh!"
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If we "ALL" will end up in heaven," why do believe anything in the Bible (Lk17 KoG in us)? You've given all a "free ticket" to unbelief! Is GOD pleased?
  You'd better watch what you're saying & doing because *you* as other unbelievers; will DIE
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Omar Eldamsheetyposted 8 years ago
If someone gave you everything you have and helped you so much and then you simply ignored him and refuse even to say hello to him and denied that he gave you anything , then he have the right to take back all what he gave you, even if you are so good with every one else.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
  Romans 1:21-32!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  that is what human heart says, But the Heavenly Father more merciful ?
  At least those that hate him he allows to use his power as energy to live. And yet they curse him ,deny him, ignore him.
  Each day granted but not taken away.
  Not the case
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Not the case?" You DEFY Rm1:28 "given over to reprobate mind?"
  Matt 13:12;Lk19:26 "shall be taken away?"
  How is this "not the case?"
  You keep DEFYING & HE will "let go!"
  READ II Thess! It's only 3 chapters!
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Misfit Chickposted 8 years ago

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Christ is ALSO 'in heaven'. His SPIRIT remains in heaven WHILE he is 'in the flesh' - there is NO SEPARATION between 'Christ's Holy Spirit' and 'the flesh of Christ'. He originated 'as spirit' in heaven; and as such, remains connected to all that he is when he is here.

This was the original message of Christ: we are 'just like him'; NOT that he was going to die and 'save us' from sin. Jesus supposedly having 'no sin nature' does not come close to resembling our human experience. Sacrifices to atone for 'sins' was a pagan concept; and the people of this world had made considerable sacrifices to their various gods & goddesses throughout history.

John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The Theosophy folks re-discovered this: if you go into the original translation of that scripture, you will find that Jesus does not refer to himself as a 'personality' as being 'the way'; but to the divine principle of Christ or Christos - (which literally means 'the way') within Him - which exists within the hearts of everyone:

Luke 17:20-21 “For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Christ said this to Pharisees - before he died - who did not and would probably never believe in him. He is NOT talking about a kingdom within them that remains dormant until ‘his resurrected and ascended spirit’ enters them - we just read him say that his spirit is NOT separated from his body BEFORE he died.

Plus, Jesus is speaking in CURRENT TENSE; and he does it again - John 10:34 "Is it not written in your law, I said, YOU are gods?

We're just like him. If that were not true, then nothing Christ said, did, taught or thought means anything: he would be like any other pagan 'god' who claimed to be 'the only one' to 'save' people from eternal damnation.

This is the thing both Pagan & Jewish leaders were afraid of: Jesus WAS 'just like us' as he claimed. How would the truth of what he was really trying to get across alter people's perceptions if they started to believe such a sacreligious message that appears to be 'against God'?

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again... For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat... Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

The truth shall set you free. More info? Spotlight Hub.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When we are born is when we begin to 'become dual' beings with our eternal soul and a physical-based ego BOTH meant to assist in our soul's expansion in this life. The ego (not the personality) 'falls away' when our body dies: its purpose complete.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  YES! I believe "ONE" Spirit but I also believe Lk 17:25 "BUT FIRST..." Explain that 'suffering' "FIRST?" Cross?
  Jn14:6 How do those who DON'T "come unto to the Father but by me" fit in?
  Jn10:35"UNTO WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME" U hear? Not ALL!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus wasn't the 'only son of God' (saviors b4 him said they were, tho - Council of Nicea changed it) - WE are equally 'sons of God' & THAT was his original message. He didn't die for our 'sins' - pagan Mithras and others before him said they did
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I don't care WHAT HE DIED FOR; I BELIEVE HE is GOD (Acts20:28) & DIED for me whether for 'sins' or they didn't like HIM, or HIS Message - whatever! I LOVE HIM for DYING for me and sending me HELP (HIS SPIRIT; aka HS) to make it through this life
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You can love him for dying for you, he DID kind of do that but not in the way we've been force-fed. He probably died for blasphemy as a martyr for his message to expand into the consciousness of mankind cuz we needed TRUTH about our NATURAL soul.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  HE DID DIE FOR US not "kinda" & for TRUTH (Jn1:14; "GRACE & TRUTH")!
  BELIEVE HIS MESSAGE (Jn10:30;Jn10:35) CONNECT TO HIM (Acts1:4) & BELIEVE "HIS PROMISES" (Jn14:26;16:13; Jer31:33-35; Heb8:10-12;10:16;Eph2:8-9;Gal1:6-9) then you'll be
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did NOT DIE for any other reason than to become a martyr so that BOTH messages - the lie & the truth about him - could continue to EXPAND the spiritual collective consciousness of all humankind. He DID die 'for us', just not 'for sins'.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  WHATEVER reason HE DIED FOR US in "righteousness" & that's enough to LOVE & OBEY HIM! NOW "OBEY!" STOP "researching" & DEFYING WORD so HE can DO what HE SAID! U thk u "overpower" HIS PROMISE(Jn14:26)? Who can do a better job? Does HE
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michaelfaulknerposted 8 years ago
Obtaining eternal life is not about being 51% good versus 49% not good. In fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with being good at all. That is salvation by works and there are not enough "good works" that you could perform to go to Heaven if you had a thousand lifetimes. Jesus teaches that only through Him will one obtain eternal life, period.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Eph 2:8-9!
  MF: I believe some Scriptures were changed by "the council" but GOD "revealed" via the HOLY SPIRIT!
  All J wants us to know is HE loves us & wants us to love HIM w/ALL our heart(Jn14:15) then HE'LL "reveal" via our "FAITH"(Rm1:1
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No bible needed to distort your thinking, Norine. God didn't need a book written for him/Jesus 300 years AFTER he died - only men needed it in order to manipulate & control masses of pagans through FEAR.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "FEAR" is defined as "RESPECT" in *my* vocabulary! I "KNOW" HE LOVES ME! No one had to tell me HE would "put me in hell" for me to "RESPECT" a GOD who created the entire universe. Whose that IGNORANT?
  IF so, it lead me to the BEST THING EVER!
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laielariposted 8 years ago
Difficult to say haha, i'm not a religious person and my life is now not very well. But i guess my life had great moments that anyone would even know about it. I had so much luck in my life that i think i'm even more lucky than religious people. I don't have religion, truth. But sometimes I think, well. Why humans born with such this defects, deep defects that only a above mind.. i don't know, only a divine thing would create with this creativity? I guess our defects are very well creatives and well. I don't think it was initialized by something no material. But yes I think it's total nonsense this stuff and thing like ghosts, hell, people who born to be religious like a lot of africaans culture and they aren't gratificated at all.... So.... hahahas, what you think
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  Damian10posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The problem Mr. I is there is great history and archaeology for people like King David, Jesus and even Pilate. So these people were here. What exactly does one do with that? God gives us a free will you can believe or not believe as you wish.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I think GOD doesn't make mistakes. Read Jn 9:2-3 "works of GOD might be displayed in [defects] him" SPECIAL! VERY SPECIAL!
  "Total nonsense?"
  LOOK @ U & how "SPECIAL!"
  U think "luck?" I say GOD!
  Blessings
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  Damian10posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There is no luck only blessings. God has a purpose whether we see it or not is a whole other issue. He loves us and provides for us constantly.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
  "And we KNOW that ALL things work together for good to them that love GOD, to them who are the called according to HIS purpose" (Rm8:28)!
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HolmesNortonposted 8 years ago
Believe you might have a limited view of 'religion' and what you're refering to is the Constantine Bible, and many other 'translations'. The word 'Hell' is made up, originally it was many different words like abyss, pit, etc.. So when you say you have frustrations 'with religion' you might mean, you have frustrations with the mistranslations / changes to the Bible, which totally agree with.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. There is a reason why hundreds of pre-bible gospels (and their owners) were destroyed while only four were inserted as 'written by original disciples' - in Greek, not in Jesus' native language. There are now TWO versions of Christianity.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BUT "ONE" HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD) who "leads & guides!"
  Can't you see HE will tell you ANYTHING - DIRECTLY as Promised (Jer 31:34;Heb8:11)!
  Why do you not BELIEVE?
  You DOUBT HIS POWER?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I've told you many times, Norine: I DON'T doubt his power. At. All. I simply no longer believe pagan lies littered thru The Bible intentionally-written to deceive people about the reality of who & what they really are: which was J's real message.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Why did JESUS SAY *HE* would "lead & guide us into "ALL" truth"(Jn14:26)? IS HE A LIAR?
  YES *u* DOUBT HIS POWER & continue to prove it by doing what *HE* SAID *HE* would do! Can't u see u're DEFYING JESUS?HE knew man would chg WORD why (Act
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