Does anyone else feel that organized religion is built on a foundation of making you feel guilty?
I feel that in order for an organized religion to run successfully it must be predicated on the fact that you must feel guilty on a number of levels. Guilty if you: 1. Aren't coming to church. 2. Don't tithe. 3. Don't do everything your minister tells you to do. 4. You are a sinner if you differ on one thought from what you are told the scriptures mean. Everything is done to make you feel good about serving "the Lord" i.e. "the church." Big difference between having faith and religion
Problems with organized religion are described from the earliest Bible history. That is why all of Scripture points us to the Christ, taking the human race from a self-dependent perspective to a relationship with God through His Son. Prayerfully reading the book of Mark is a good starting place for anyone who wants to understand what faith is and what our response to it means. John 10:10 sums it up well. Abundant life is what Jesus offers, but that is neither a life of selfishness or of blind following.
Blind obedience to church leaders using God's word to hide their own agenda is problematic. The Bible is the word of God so much as it has been interpreted correctly. The phrase, "Obey your leaders and submit to them," allows much leeway for abuse.
O ye of little "FAITH!" Why is it that MOST don't believe the Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) can do as HE SAID? HE "leads & guides" or do u thk those r just words? HE gives Spirit of discernment, guides into ALL truth! Why don't you BELIEVE?
If "man" shows with the Word of God, It is not "man" speaking, BUT GOD! It is your responsibility (with the HELP of the Holy Spirit) to "Search the Scriptures to see if those things are so" (Acts 17:11)! If Holy Spirit filled, one has discernment!
Jesus preached that the Kingdom of God was WITHIN - a very self-dependent perspective. It is Christianity that hijacked his message, then INTENTIONALLY twisted it to put people into bondage so that they would be easier to rule. The bible is pagan.
Then provide a book w/as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible, if "pagan!" The Kingdom of GOD is "POWER" (ICor4:20)! What is POWER (Acts 1:8)! Therefore, IT is "in u" IF u've been filled w/HIS POWER! But can't enter if no BELIEF
You are correct, Norine - the Kingdom of God is within and it is POWERFUL. It already exists in ALL without condition, JUST as Christ told people it did. Since the bible was seriously plagarized - maybe ALL previous pagan book prophecies were stolen!
But MOST let lie "dormant" as u "researching" LIES when HS "leads & guides!" WASTE! YES, all RELIGION "stolen" fm WORD but if NOT WRITTEN=LIE! Ex: Hindu worshiped pagan gods until Bible then "stolen" yet still have "Geeta" (Exd 20:3) as others!
If bitten by venom of insect or snake. But the point is do you remeber the pain in the shot or do you remember how your life was saved. Yes religion has been contaminated But a life saving message is still intact. We all welcomed to recieve it .
"Yes religion has been contaminated But a life saving message is still intact.We all r welcomed to receive it" w/Holy Spirit "guidance!" To this WORD agrees! However, we MUST "STUDY" for ourselves & not just AMEN everything someone tells u!
If we MUST study that book to be smart enough to stay saved - WHAT DID CHRISTIANS DO HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE IT EXISTED? Most didn't read. For hundreds of years, the HS did not need a book - no study needed. WHY does it contain MUCH pagan plagarism?
"FAITH" as is TODAY! Plagarism in Book so there are NO HYPOCRITES to PROVE we MUST do as HE commanded "WAIT" for "HELP" to "weed out" plagarism! What I've been telling u all alone! HOLY SPIRIT "weeds out," NOT YOU! It's called "discernment" (Rev)
Norine Jesus hebrew name is not showing in the verse. But Jehovah is. The point the original Hebrew writings are more accurate then KJ translations. But also the later Jews removed Jehovah name because of superstition and killing his son.
GOD (aka JESUS) has MANY "Names" that are "Forever" (Is 9:6)! BUT after HE DIED (I Tim 3:16) & in the PRESENT dispensation (Gathering "THE CHURCH"), HE wants "RECOGNITION" (Phil 2:10)! HE IS THE "SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12)!
Is Scripture your authority? Scripture says that believers should not forsake the assembling of themselves together (Hebrews 10:25); Scripture (in my view) speaks of grace giving for the NT believer, not tithing (2 Cor. 8-9); Scripture instructs the "laity" to "obey your leaders, and submit to them" (Heb. 13:17). If you are not obeying the Scriptures in these and other matters, you are in disobedience and are guilty. The guilt feelings come as a result of your sin. Solution: Repent, and ask for forgiveness and for grace to grow in obedience.
If a pastor is putting you down (or condemning you) for differing from his interpretation, he is not doing his job. The shepherd's work is to be kind and gracious toward the sheep when he is teaching them, not lord it over them (1 Peter 5:2-3). Your next-to-last statement is not clear to me, so I cannot comment on it.
Pastors or church leaders put their own spin the scriptures. Oft times obeying your leaders and submitting to them is not the same as following the scriptures, but following what has been used for their own indoctrination. Warren Jeffs comes to mind.
I would agree with your first statement. Many "pastors" are not spiritually qualified to lead God's people, because they operate according to their own agenda, not according to Scripture. Obviously, the people should obey leaders who adhere to truth.
Amen Glynch! And ONLY Holy Spirit guidance can lead one into THE TRUTH! Why I keep telling ALL to "GO BACK" (Is 28:13) & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for "HELP" (Jn 14:26;16:13)! HS isn't just a "feeling" but PROOF of correct leadership & doesn't cont
I believe Jesus gave the commands that you cite specifically to the apostles; He did not mean them to be used as "blanket statements" addressed to all Church-age believers. The HS helps us understand Scripture, but not in the same way. Read context.
Guilt is the result of not doing what the bible says - condemnation is a major motivator for bringing lost souls into organized religions; when it is the religions that defines the 'sin' in the first place. God doesn't need a book to speak to anyone.
Keep going AGAINST the WORD of GOD & "the monster" will continue to grow! GOD SAID HE would give one such as u up to a "probate mind" (Rm 1:28)! You're treading on "thin ice" w/that smarter than GOD attitude & not becoming as a little child
No, I (collectively with others) have actually used the bible to debunk salvation. That was NOT Jesus original message NOR was it why he came - his death comes at the END. It is the part that religion wants you to focus on, though - again, WHY?
THE SPIRIT of GOD (aka JESUS) "NEVER DIES!" There is ONE SPIRIT that reconciles to GOD when JESUS finishes "Gathering the Church!" Thk as GOD as SMOKE & the Portion that came in flesh knows how we feel in order to "judge" Justly! No "trinity!"
Really misfit I am not you and I will not think like you. I am not Norine and I will not think like Norine. That includes gmwilliams lol! So you call it what you like or use any name you fill free to say. It don't change my position or thoughts.
Of course you won't - because you believe lies & they told you not to question them. That is normal. Another NEWSFLASH: I don't carry on with either you or Norine to change your minds: other people are watching, each making choices - I've been th
LISTEN CAT: The Holy Spirit revealed to me that Moses was the Messenger of the OC (LAW) whereas Paul was the Messenger of the NC (GRACE) which is NOT IN "THE BOOK!" It is as HE SAID "put laws in our hearts & minds!" So why do u say I BELIEVE BOOK
Misfit you are missing the understanding I am not Norine, not you, not interested in worship of religion. Religion will be accounted for its errors in misleading humans. That war is not proving who is wrong or right in of any belief . What it
Its a WAR over people's MINDS. Christianity teaches KIDS that they are inferior, unworthy sinners who need to rely on a god to 'save' them from an eternal, evil fate that DOES NOT EXIST. Imagine if everyone felt about themselves like The Donald does!
Misfit as equal humans you did what it took to come to the answers you are satisfied with. Others have the same right . or else you would be a dictator saying no one has the right but your choice Wrong we are responsible for our own choices.
Your common problem is: people are frustrated with Christians not educating themselves to what has been proven over & over again to be manipulative lies to rule ancient pagan masses as HARMFUL for the entire world for the reason I just stated, ab
NOPE! The world's problem is RELIGION! They have not "taught" BELIEVERS how to rely on HOLY SPIRIT, how to "initiate" HIS POWER, how to "rightly divide HIS WORD," how to become MORE than POWERLESS "church" attendees!
DON'T Y'ALL LISTEN? YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO "DETECT" WHAT IS RIGHT & WRONG IN BIBLE "IF" U "SEEK THE HOLY SPIRIT" FOR "HIS HELP!" HOLY SPIRIT IS "NOT" AS U'VE BEEN "TAUGHT!" HE IS UR "ONLY" LINE OF COMM W/HIM! HE "REVEALS" ALL! IF U DON'T KNOW NOT
K&T: Have u forgotten I Tim 3:16? GOD (who HE IS) came into world with "NAME" JESUS, DIED & wants RECOGNITION (Phil2:10)! HE is LORD of Lords but JEHOVAH & GOD (Not 2;SAME SPIRIT) is WHAT HE IS "not" WHO HE IS!
Misfit if a lie has been told who is it against? What is the lie? That is harmful to children ? accountability has always existed. Even earthly would you tell a judge in court no one should respect you? You tell children lies? The book of law is bad
K&T: U continue to operate under ur MO - "RUN!" JESUS is GOD & u DON'T CARE "What" IS WRITTEN! They've "brainwashed" u! Can't u read? Ex:Jn14:26 "Father will send;" Jn 16:7 "I will send" confirms I Cor 12:11 SAME "SELFSAME SPIRIT" but WHO C
Norine calling people "peanut brain," and "poor stiff. Dry Bones." What a beautiful example of a person filled with the spirit! Must be some kind of alcoholic spirit..... certainly not a loving person trying to help and nurture love.
Any "FOOL" Knows that in comparison to GOD'S brain, man's brain is a "peanut" (or less)! A "stiff" which has "dry bones" (mentioned in WORD) in Ezekiel 37:1-14 are DEAD but will live AFTER Holy Spirit filled! Nothing against WORD, unless NO life!
Only "YOU" chg subject when u jump under unrelated comment section! Pride has NOTHING to do w/IT! WORD SAYS "ONE SPIRIT" Whose NAME ("JESUS") we will ALL bow to! I can't help it, I didn't write IT BUT "IT IS WRITTEN!"
Memes spread because they give people reasons to believe them and spread them. Memes that make you feel good (heaven, resurrection, community) and memes that scare you if you disobey (hell, bad karma) become stronger if united. And that's why you have both heaven for believers with more rewards for those who convert others and hell for those who don't believe.
Tamara, I like the way you put it. I guess we all want to believe in something, even Atheism is a belief. Unfortunately, foundations of guilt can come from people of other faiths who try to make us feel guilty. so it can come from within & witho
Believing in something is not the problem - it is believing in erroneous things. For instance, there is no 'heaven' or 'hell' - there is just a 'spiritual playground' beyond this life that is neither good nor bad; and earth is a part of it.
I don't have a book, I have several that I have referenced in my almost 15K word hub about this topic. Read it if you want the more probable truth about the manipulative salvation message of Christ. He was likely killed for his 'real' message.
I KNEW u were spaced out! Don't worry about Obama! Why waste your precious time! If it's meant for him to hear TRUTH in WORD, he will! "Seek out your own salvation" (Phil 2:12)! Time is too precious to waste on "hating!"
I hadn't read you comment Tamara, but you say in short what I said. Religion is a meme, a thought that wants to survive and spread and uses the best memes to do so. Guilt, fear,social bonding, rituals etc. Charlie Atheism is Not a believe.
U BELIEVE there is NO GOD, so what is it called? IMHO I find it "repulsive" when 1 who doesn't believe takes their VALUABLE time to speak on "Religious" Q'S - unless u have an ulterior motive (Jn 10:10)?
But u have not "substance!" I can talk about music but can I play instrument r sing? What do u bring to the table but justification for "unbelief" which can't be justified or someone would provide the book?
Talking about the existence of a higher being is something everybody does on this planet. People have different points of view towards this topic. You don't have to agree with all opinions but that's what makes a discussion insightful.
While we "Believe in GOD" & u "science" (man) is as mixing oil w/water! Not an "insightful discussion," but "opposite discussion!" Can't u see although they SAY they believe they "think" different highways to get to the CREATOR=AGAINST HIS WORD!
I like your comment Peter ! So many times other people post a different view. all are intitle to views God the Father does not sound an alarm and say 'Your Wrong' he could But humans want attention and use his authority to say they ar righteous
See K&T, u continue to speak AGAINST WORD! Why do you think GOD "inspired men" to write HIS WORD? To tell us what was "right & wrong!" Why would u say "GOD doesn't tell one they r right or wrong?" That is a LIE from HELL! U say ANYTHING 2
Norinne I'm not interested in a yes/no discussion. that's boring. But themes like morals, rituals, structures of society, evolution, ethics, spirituality, art are open and interesting themes, related to religion and believing in a God yes or no.
Why would a believer want to become involved in a discussion of evolution which is "nonsense" to me! By the same token, why would u want to become involved in a discussion about a GOD that doesn't exist (or so u believe)? U've heard believer's bfore
So what you saying all the lives that came to this earth before Jesus Abraham , Moses , King David ,Solomon, Job were lost based on they did not know Jesus.No They called on Jehovah who is eternal then he never dies Jesus died. Learn Hebrew.
"Before JESUS" (Rev1:8;17-18)? JESUS isn't DEAD; HE gave up the "flesh" & went back to HIMSELF (SPIRIT)! HE created HIMSELF (I Tim 3:16) & went back to THAT SAME SPIRIT! GOD is JESUS! U "LEARN:" NWT deleted Some to align w/belief as did Cath
No one can be saved correctly unless we learn Hebrew? That is odd since the majority of HUNDREDS of gospels written in Hebrew were destroyed by the church in order to silence the concept of 'trinity' & 'holy spirit' that Norine is so fond of.
NO ONE can reconcile to GOD unless we have HOLY SPIRIT for "revelation" & to become like THAT SAME SPIRIT! The ONLY way to acquire "like HIM" is to receive & BELIEVE in HIS SPIRIT HE sent to HELP! ONE SPIRIT which is HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD/JES
Jesus said: "When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
OK! Here's the MOST "INSANE" response you will receive! FIRST, seek a pastor who has "WAITED" for HELP from the HOLY SPIRIT! Does he speak in tongues? Does he baptize in the name JESUS CHRIST? Does he live "AFTER THE CROSS?" If not, RUN!!!
If he has passed the "initial" test, he knows "There is therefore NO CONDEMNATION to those who are "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Romans 8:1)! But one MUST be "IN CHRIST JESUS!" Those who are, KNOW they are "righteous by FAITH" (Romans 3:22; 5:1) and don't "feel guilty" if we "fall short" rather "REPENT" and "our sins HE will remember no more" (Jeremiah 31:35; Hebrews 8:12; 10:17)!
If believers KNEW the above, they wouldn't mind "going to church," if believers KNEW GOD KNOWS what's in your pocket and if you didn't tithe from heart, they wouldn't only give 10% but more, if "given from the heart" (II Corinthians 9:7), Minister would preach according to WORD if he "WAITED" (Acts 1:4), Minister would "PROVE" with WORD "HIS difference" rather than what "you or he thinks" by giving Scripture (II Timothy 2:15: I Peter 3:15)!
Yes ministers do teach to "itching ears" (II Timothy 4:3) to keep that money rolling in!
"Having faith?" OH GOD! Please "study" for yourself, "rightly dividing" HIS WORD (in chronological order) for TRUTH! Not what religion has "taught," but what CHRIST DIED FOR!
MOST believe CHRIST died for the remission of our sin, and HE DID, but without HIM sending the HOLY SPIRIT to HELP us (John 14:26; 16:13) discern good from evil, without HIM providing "GRACE" (Ephesians 2:8-9) for forgiveness, we would NEVER be able to find our way back to HIM!
RECONCILIATION (II Corinthians 5:11-21) is what we pray for but how can we be RECONCILED without TRUTH which ONLY comes from the HOLY SPIRIT? Therefore, if one DID NOT "WAIT" they're blinded (II Corinthians 4:4) by "their understanding" (Proverbs 3:5)!
LORD have mercy on you Glynch stating that GOD'S "ONENESS" is a cult! FYI I'm not associated with ANY "man-made" RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION - ONLY "JESUS" (aka Father, Son, Holy Spirit & ALL OF HIS OTHER "GLORIES" Col 2:9)!
Think about it... WHERE does that put 'free will' if we are REQUIRED to believe anything? Free to choose between heaven or hell? What kind of choice is that? Its blatant coersion! I speak in tongues, STILL! And I've proven 'salvation' is a bogus lie.
Nope. It may have been a band of demons who helped write the bible; then inspired power-hungry men to put it together in order to enslave people's souls. THINK, Norine - WHY do you trust that book so much? WHY do you FEAR not trusting in it? Research
Misfit, I've "tried" men, they LIE! As Jn said "Where else could I go" (Jn 6:68)? Even u said "neat!" I can't tell u ALL supernatural thgs happens to me! Thank u LORD! Not bcuz of "FEAR," but ALL HIS PROMISES I've seen fulfilled! U can 2 IF u BLV!
MEN wrote that book; put it together; destroyed HUNDREDS of gospels that may very well have had the truth about Jesus in them, along with the people who held them. God does not need a book, he is SPIRIT. You KNOW this, sweetie... Listen.
Catherine, God assembled that book for us - and uses the Holy Spirit to bring the word to life for us. The insistence that uninspired men wrote the books in the bible (which testifies of Christ) is a lie from hell, leading people away from Christ.
Catherine has lost "hope!" Rm 8:24 "For we r saved by "hope:" but hope THAT IS SEEN is NOT "hope:" for what a man seeth, why doth he yet "hope" for?" "O ye [Catherine] of little faith!" 40 Bks deleted fm Bible but Holy Spirit "WILL REVEAL" if BELIEVE
You make absolutely no sense, Norine - you keep INSISTING that 'word' is 'spirit' and yet that The Bible is 'it'. If you cared about Jesus, you would care about how the truth has been manipulated around him to make wide populations easier to rule.
I do believe, Norine - I just don't believe in the lies. God has not deleted the bible nor any of the plagarized stories and pagan concepts within it. He hasn't deleted Hitler's 'Mein Kampf', either. What REALLY happened to Jesus Christ? Research.
Well the most important thing is being able to sepetate truth from none truth. What is it misfit you think is pagan and a lie? True certain translated authors have made the bible say what they wish. But not all is tempered. The basic truth is there
It sure as hell is... buried smack dab in the MIDDLE of the FAKE message of Christ. You know that I wrote that article - you refused to read it; and instead, responded as if you were SO SURE you knew how to debunk it. Actually read - maybe you can.
Also there is no way a human can describe heavenly scenery .we only know earthly things. How does one know about Angels ?and many Heavenly subjects? The bible has the truth though tempered with different translations The truth stands in it.
I'm pretty sure that I just agreed with you about that: "It sure as hell is... buried smack dab in the MIDDLE of the FAKE message of Christ." Manipulative book of pagan rituals CHERISHED by pagans to UNITE mulitple pagans to rule over a VAST empire.
Misfit the bible has some pagan terminology true of King James in words .the cross is pagan. Jesus died on a torture stake. Back in his day they impaled people one piece of wood called a stake like when you use a stake of wood for a tent.
IF U BELIEVE in HOLY SPIRIT "MORE" than "The Book," I'm IN AGREEMENT! Have I not CONTINUOUSLY SAID "Holy Spirit will "lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH?" I KNOW Holy Spirit has MORE POWER to "reveal" what "man" has "added/deleted!" We r saying SAME!
"Manipulative book of pagan rituals CHERISHED by pagans to UNITE mulitple pagans to rule over a VAST empire." Research. You want to know the truth, I know you do. You and Norine both think you're done. I've been there. You're not done. More research.
What about those people who no longer have any faith? They are made to feel guilty, as well. And fear tactics and discontent follows. So it is true that we are subjected to guilt even when it comes to faith. Some refuse to allow themselves to be affected by ANY guilt or fear.
They backslide because of "POWERLESS" RELIGION! Some "go to church" for 50yrs+ & still NOTHING! I'd lose "faith" too! RELIGION has not "taught" TRUTH! Jesus said "Greater thgs than these shall we do" (Jn 14:12) but don't know how-no one "taught"
God enables those with true saving faith to persevere in it until death. If people no longer have "faith," and they continue in that state of unbelief until death, they never had saving faith to begin with.
One can be "sincere" in their belief but can also be "sincere" or have "faith" in the "wrong belief" which makes them "sincerely wrong!" Having "faith" in a belief that is "sincerely wrong" does not produce manifestations from the Holy Spirit!
Another problem found! We not only have differing opinions on guilt but differing opinions on the God Head. Norine holds the common belief in the Holy Spirit, Christ, and God. Glyncch1 has the belief they are three individual entities. Who's wrong?
NO! GOD has SAID "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12) who operates in diff "GLORIES" (Is 6:3) @ SAME TIME "if" HE desires! Eph 4:4-6! Col 2:9 "ALL THE FULLNESS!" "Is Christ divided" (ICor1:13)? Gly rd "the ltr" & can't blv Heb 13:8=Holy Spirit WORKS!
Charlie, I believe in the Trinity; God is not three "entities," but three Persons in one Being. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God incarnate, and the Holy Spirit is God. As is her wont, she quoted 1 Cor. 1:13 out of context.
Is Christ divided is the question & is There! U can't take I Cor 12, Eph 4:4-6, Jn 1:14; 8:58; 10:30-33; 5:23; 14:9-11; 20:28; I Tim 3:16; Col 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb 1:8-9; 2Jn 1:7; Rev 1:8; 22:13 "out of context!" Explain!
1 Corinthians 1:13--"Has Christ been divided?" is not referring to His divine person being divided. The context deals with people following other teachers and not Christ. Paul is saying that Christ was not given to any party as its separate share.
U know what Glynch? U need to explain I Cor 12:12 AFTER reading the entire Chapter! ONE BODY; ONE SPIRIT! Explain Eph 4:4-6! ONE LORD! Explain disciples "WITH "ONE" ACCORD?" Explain all those Scripture I gave u! Explain! Why do you MOCK the WORD?
Do you ever examine the tone of your messages? Does not seem to originate from the Spirit. Ephesians 4:4-6 speaks of one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father. Reference to the Trinity! What point are U trying to make with "one" references? Me mock?
Yes Norine, you have to watch your tone, you might hurt glynch1 feelings. By the way glynch1 has a degree in theology so anything you have to say means nothing to him Norine. His opinion is better because he has his theology degree. Right glynch1
Kingdom, I hear mockery in your voice as well. Let me ask you: is it godly to seek to belittle others with your words? Theological training is invaluable when seeking to interpret the Bible correctly. By so doing, I follow the historic faith.
Prob Glynch "historic faith" & not Holy Spirit! Trinity=3persons=prob! Ea x GOD spoke thru ANYTHING was "person!" Why LIMIT to3? HE'S not BIG enough-just3? ONE SPIRIT is EVERYTHING! You "MOCK!" Not w/"my words," but HIS-"REBUKE"(Lev19:17)
I see that I cannot reason with you, nor can I understand what you are trying to say without further and much clearer presentation skills. So, I will just leave this conversation. Oneness Pentecostalism is a cult, just so you know.
I'm not "Oneness" RELIGION, but GOD IS ONE SPIRIT! The reason u can't "understand" is because "the god of this world (Satan) has blinded you" (Theology/Historic facts) II Cor 4:3-4! Good luck "dry bones" (Ezk 37:1-14)! I pray for "IGNORANCE!"
The Trinity is yet another pagan concept embedded in Christianity. Celsus (170 CE): In truth there is nothing at all unusual about what Christians believe, except that they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God". WAKE UP!
"The Trinity" is embedded in "RELIGION" not Christianity! Christ Followers or Disciples of Christ KNOW there is ONE SPIRIT which manifests HIMSELF into different "GLORIES" as HE WILLS! Look what RELIGION has done to u!
Glnch1- theological "training" is never guided by the Holy Spirit and therefore worthless. If you PAID money to be trained in theology then you can be sure the Holy Spirit had NOTHING to do with it. Then theology "training at best is garbage.
That is the most understandable reply I've ever seen you make Norine - thank you! Enlighten me, what horrible thing has religion done to me aside from compel me to make people aware of their manipulated inferiority complexes that harm the wide world?
U forget? RELIGION is "Satan's Greatest Device to Lose Souls" (my HUB)? Man (aka RELIGION) has LIED so much, made u leave HS guidance to "research" how much he's LIED! FOOL! He has u also! Proverbs 3:5! Who do u serve - "research?"
It is really neat how you have a response to every hit, Norine - how convenient. Read my disertation on debunking the salvation message of Jesus and THEN tell me how wrong I am. Maybe YOU are the one who is wrong. In fact, you are wrong.
Many people are under human bondage.they refuse to accept the truth left intact. So they say all is bad No .a diamond may be surrounded by other minerals but does that mean a diamond can not be salvage from it all ? No! You have to know what is pure
I've been where you are; and if you don't think I know 'what I'm missing' and the value of what I've discovered - you're silly. Of course you are bucking against the real truth cuz that is what that BOOK tells you to do. Spirit is intuitive to ALL.
Misfit also we are to Mt 22:37He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. Mt 22:39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ This covers .
Nobody needs to be 'saved', Norine - you did NOT read my article. NEWSFLASH: We are all BORN naturally LOVING our creator, do NOT need to be told to be good, how to love OR who to love, etc. We're TAUGHT to HATE, kill and destroy - very very well.
CAT: Jn 3:5 MUST BE BORN (AGAIN) of WATER & "SPIRIT" Have atheist r unbelievers been "BORN OF "THE SPIRIT?" Why do you insist the KoG is in EVERYONE? It's there "IF" (& that a BIG "IF") they don't let lie "dormant" (BLV)! Not ALL r SAVED, C
I certainly disagree. We are born with impure hearts, and thus we sin. Why the heck would Prov22:6 says "to train up a child in the way he should go"? Because we are born with mischief in our hearts. Nobody taught a kid to lie, but they do it..
I AGREE! Why would Scripture say in Matt6:33 "SEEK ye first the Kingdom of GOD..." if we ALREADY have it! Satan is playing w/her mind to deter her from being an asset for CHRIST! He loves to prevent those who have "gifts" & will BLIND if we "DOUB
It looks like Nor and King are rummaging around in the store that is so full of antiquated scriptural junk, they need to step out into fresh air. A beautiful world awaits them, free of stuffiness. Also, learn to discuss sensibly - please.
The Holy Spirit (aka JESUS)! If you would've "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) as HE commanded you to do, you would have the Spirit of "discernment" to TELL you who is right & who is wrong!
First, the Holy Spirit is not Jesus; you are confounding the second and third Persons of the Trinity. Second, Jesus told the apostles to wait for power to be witnesses; that Power came on the day of Pentecost. Again, you forgot the context.
Well Scripture LIED! Jn 14:26 said the Father would send the Holy Spirit in JESUS' Name! READ! U r a FOOL if u believe JESUS (aka GOD) is "three!" HE'S "MORE" yet ONE SPIRIT! The Holy Spirit is POWER who is JESUS! U never knew "the context!"
Scripture lied? I don't follow you. God does not lie. And why do not continually insult people who are trying to understand you, calling me a fool? I never said that Jesus is three; I do not know where you are coming up with this interpretation.
What r "persons?" (1 Ex) Do u thk the "Burning Bush" did not have a personality for IT was GOD (Col 2:9)! Why LIMIT? ONE SPIRIT (ICor12)! I'm sorry I HATE "teachings" have LOST souls! If u blv HE doesn't LIE, why don't u blv Jn 14:26 "IN MY NAME?"
God has characteristics of personality: intellect, emotions, will. He has created us in His image; thus we are personal like He is.The burning bush just symbolized His presence. I'm sorry, but I cannot decipher the rest of what you are trying to say.
This conversation isTHE main thing wrong with Christianity - everyone is so SURE that THEY are right to the point of not listening to anyone else. Being that close-minded is so harmful to the entire world. Research the origins of your religions.
Do "children" RESEARCH? You defy GOD'S WORD! HE told us "Unless you become as "little children" ye SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" (Matt 18:3)! Where does that leave u & your "RESEARCH?" How's it working for u?
Children can read, Norine. I had no choice BUT to approach all this 'as a child'. Children are also curious and prefer to be told the truth. Also, it is really UNCOOL to make them believe that their friends are going to hell if they don't 'believe'.
"Children prefer to be told the truth?" I thought u BLV? Does GOD LIE? Did HE not SAY "SALVATION/HELL?" U act as if a child on milk when it comes to WORD or DON'T BLV!! Does a child comprehend ALL thgs? Lv "man" alone & STUDY WORD 2 "mature!"
The Word of God is the measure by which we measure everything. And the majority of those that resort to the Scripture have much more agreement than disagreement. Of course, that is only when you approach the Bible with humility.
Again, 15K detailed article that includes a long list that even Norine hasn't been able to explain; including: WHY God could not keep the message of Jesus straight among us via the holy spirit that he supposedly used to keep 'his word' intact?
LOOOOOOOONG LIST.. .even Norine hasn't been able to explain; including: WHY God could not keep the message of Jesus straight among us via the holy spirit that he supposedly used to keep 'his word' intact?
Really who is responsible for your spiritual education .you are. The infomation is open to all. Like a dictionary.if you refuse to read it or argue the defintion the problem is your own intepetation no fault of God. Others have no problem.
Of course you have no problem, because you don't realize what is wrong - you blindly follow what has been force-fed to you and you LIKE it. It has become normal despite the manipulative, plagarized, pagan lies that you INSIST are valid despite PILES.
Who has force fed me what. Did I give you a man name ?. A human name to be force fed. No ! But you did ,you just gave a man name and force fed theodos. What you say people do you do. Misfit. You have not explained that name.
Theodosius II was an early Roman Emperor - research those early emperors and popes. We already KNOW how bad the history is surrounding them. Why would The Bible be put together for any different reason? Do research - there IS a 'real message'.
I'm not 'trying', Norine - I've already done my homework, you've kind of glazed over it. Jesus said the truth will set you free - find it. Stop being a mouthpiece for power hungry PAGAN killers & murderers.
I am not buying into the guilt deal. People feeling guilty is a choice that they make. Guilt is like the opposite of being forgiven. The concept is more in line with the Beatitudes. One feels a mournfulness and is comforted. We are not to feel guilty due to our issues we are to mourn that we commit wrongful acts. That guilt idea generally comes to pass when we treat spiritual concepts the same as ordinary daily activities. We think this way somewhat: Happiness - earthly, Joy - spiritually, Judgment - earthly, Compassion - spiritually, Guilt - earthly, to mourn - spiritually. Parents can use guilt as a deterrent to abhorrent behavior. God does not do it that way. If a person is feeling guilty because of happenings via organized religion that is on them. I have been around organized religion my entire life and have never felt guilt. My spirituality just was not raised that way. I reckon the closest I have come is when blessings are just heaped on me. But that is like when my wife married me. I just couldn't help but feel a little guilty that she just could not have understood the real me or she wouldn't marry me. I just don't deserve all the Love my Lord has shown me. I think I am more embarrassed about that than feeling guilty. Perhaps it would be helpful to look at the question closely. You ask if we feel it. If you asked if we know it the answers may be different. I have even taught and preached via organized religion but I surely do not feel the guilt. I do know though that some people do. I would suggest that those people have not been "Baptized" into their religion. If you operate on the fringes of a religion and do not immerse, chances are you may be stuck in the worldly hell of guilt. Fully submerse and any guilt flows away and only mourning is left.
I agree. But guilt can be raised in you by parents when you're born into their religion. Say down the line you become disillusioned, Do you stay in that religion feeling guilt or truly seek answers which may cause friction with friends & love o
People feel guilty as a choice of believing in Christian dogma - making people believe that they are 'unworthy' - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create human monsters. Wake up!
It is the residue that Christianity imposes on people for control - even you, who believe that you NEED a saviour ot save you and a holy spirit to empower you. The Trinity is yet another pagan concept pounded into your head by your religion.
Savior has ALREADY "saved" if u BELIEVE! Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) is our POWER (Kingdom of GOD)! READ Ephesians 2:8-9 AGAIN! Not into "my head!" I KNOW there is ONE SPIRIT who manifests HIMSELF into ANY "GLORY"@ ANYTIME simultaneously if HE DESIRE
To suggest no research is foreign to me, but I've been told that. I guess it's good to jump off a cliff without looking first & have faith you'll be fine. Glad I didn't stop researching about the true meaning of Christmas after reading the Grinch
Example you get hired at a good job. The company gives you a company policy book. It list all the dos and don't .And one day you purposely violate a don't who's at fault here The company or you? They gave you the Job You broke the policy by choice
Why does God - an omnipotent spiritual being - even need a book? Do you know that Krishna has almost the SAME 'salvation message' as they imposed on Jesus, and he isn't the only 'past savior' similar to Jesus. There are DOZENS like him - WHY?!
In other "RELIGIONS?" They copied! GOD is the CREATOR! Not Geeta, Buddha, Prophet Muhammad, or any other "thing" man has created! Either u BELIEVE HE is CREATOR or NOT! Don't tell me others were first bcuz "man" says so or HE WOULD NOT BE "CREATOR
OMG, I am just now seeing this - THEY copied Jesus? They existed BEFORE Jesus; and what about the 'saviors' that existed at the same time as him like Mithras who also had the same message? They told you not to LOOK so you would not find out.
You KNOW we’re talking about linear time - Buddha, Krishna, Mithras, Dionysus who came LONG BEFORE Jesus all had VERY similar messages. What if God spoke BEFORE Jesus and gave all the same slightly updated message? THAT proves God's existence!
You can't wrap your brain around that, can you? Linear time, meaning Krishna taught Jesus' message to his followers LONG BEFORE Jesus ever taught his own followers the same thing. God has done that over & over for us; and C's insist they are uniq
Girl I BELIEVE GOD made EVERYTHING (them 2)! Now if u want to believe THEY existed "long before JESUS" (aka GOD), so be it! "Test the spirits (Paganism, demonic, self & others) to see if of GOD" & you're certainly "testing!"
Wow, how shallow and self-absorbed. Yeah, it's all about making a person feel guilty. That is all there is to it...right? When a person says that organized religion, do they realize that religion takes in the Muslim religion, Jewish religion, Hindu religion, Buddhist religion, Sikh religion, Shinto and others. It seems some people only know about the Christian religion, so maybe the question should is the Christian religion built on a foundation of making you feel guilty? A religious belief can only bring forth in a person what is already there. If a person is angry, they can use religion to justify their anger. If a person is happy, they can use religion to justify you happiness. If a person feels guilty, it's not the fault of the religion, it's something deep inside a person. A person's guilt is separate from any form of religious teachings. If a person is strong enough to get past their guilt, they may find religion offers many insights into the human condition and more. Does anyone really think, who actually knows the teachings in the Bible, that the sacrifices of so many people for thousands of years to preserve the Bible was done just to make people feel guilty? The people in Communist countries who risked their lives for Bibles just wanted a reason to feel guilty? Let's put on our thinking caps.
It seems like too many people confuse a belief in God or the Bible with a religion. I never asked does believing in the Bible make you feel guilty. Faith & religion? Two different things. Have you found your thinking cap yet?
You've only mentioned the Bible. Do you know about the Quran, Bhagavad Gita, Talmud, Tripitaka, Kojiki? These are just a few. There is also the Hadith, Torah and others. Thinking caps are essential to discuss an issue with ideas and not emotion.
Read: I "BELIEVE" II Timothy 3:16 & II Kgs 17:29-41! So all others OUT! There are not several highways leading to THE CREATOR (Exd 20:3)! RELIGIONS are "man-made" but WORD is "Inspired by GOD" w/"NO GUILT" (Rm 8:1)!
You've answered this question like a fanatical Christian - people risked their lives for the bible because they were brainwashed to believe in it. Christians are well-known for their HUGE inferiority complexes and teaching kids they will go to hell
And "suppose" just "suppose" u are right! What have I lost;time in this temp life w/"benefits" from HIS "PROMISES" in WORD! Now "suppose" just "suppose" I am right, what have you lost;LIFEw/ETERNAL DAMNATION in a Lake of Fire (HELL)!
Why gamble? 1) It isn't a gamble - I'm right. Read my dissertation completely. 2) Christ came to FREE us - I've proven that. 3) Forcing souls to choose between 'heaven' or 'hell' is coercion - not salvation. WHERE are the 'saints' who rose with him?
Catherine Mostly. Your assumption is laughable. Chinese risked their lives for the Bible because they were "brainwashed?" You obviously are ignorant of the concept. Inferiority complex? Please. With some work it may not be so clear you're clueless.
The things people find to validate the profound deceptions in the bible are amazing. There IS as much 'good' in the bible as in any other souce on this planet because God is DIVERSE and was here long before Chistianity's pagan message was enforced.
Yes Cat HE was here but u forget HE "inspired" men to write Bible, sent HS to discern LIES therein, yet u let Satan deter Holy Spirit's WORKS! Satan has won! U should be a better soldier but allow Satan work ur mind! U threw "gift" back @ JESUS!
Do you know why I keep poking at you, Norine? Because you're so close, its almost astonishing that you haven't 'flipped', yet. You think that means that you would give up your faith - but, no. Never. I certainly didn't. I just gave up the controls.
Why do u thk I have "controls?" Rm 8:1 "NO CONDEMNATION" to those "IN CHRIST!" What "controls?" There are "consequences" as in life & we need salvation fm HELL! There is ONE GOD who is jealous! I BLV BIBLE bcuz Holy Spirit has "revealed" TRUTH th
This is why I do not think you read my hub - you're clueless about what is in it. I list EIGHT major religious 'controls' that are lies; and then I debunk those lies. The inferiority complex C's INSIST on imposing bcuz they were ORDERED to is #1.
I READ Cat! I agree "the Kingdom of GOD is w/in us" BUT u MUST allow HIM to WORK! U're working "trying" to "debunk salvation" from "consequences" of "Unbelief!" GOD is our Father! U "disobey," u suffer "consequences!" Plain & simple!
You are so sure that I do not follow him - you have judged me every which way with man-written words. Not one thing coming from you is your own thought, it is embedded dogma. Why can't you respond to any OTHER of the issues I took up aside from KoG?
Did u READ II Kgs 17:29-41? U've "created ur "own" god, but believe GOD accepts "ur belief" as do ALL other Religions! As u, they "thk" we're ALL on diff highways to the same GOD! GOD'S A "JEALOUS GOD" who sent HS to HELP & u help HIM? BIG MISTAK
All religions use human emotions to bind them towards that specific religion. Guilt and fear are strong emotional forces that are used in all religions. But also in commerce. It's emotional blackmail. Fear and guilt sells.
BOOK is not GOD which is SPIRIT, Norine - he doesn't need a book. WHY could God's Holy Spirit not keep 'the word' straight among us via that book? Because it ISN'T TRUE and he DOES NOT NEED IT except to keep peeps like you in spiritual bondage.
Bcuz "PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS" r "COUNTERFEIT!" IF they would have "WAITED," we would ALL have the SAME MIND (CHRIST) but they ran off & "INTERPRETED" what they "PERCEIVED" to be right creating 33+ denominations in the US! GOD doesn't "need a Book
Misfit I looked the word up and it only has negative meanings to it. No one should be manipulative. It uses the word in bad relationships. Which is not what I want to say. Misfit your fight is with humans be it pagan or christain.
I AGREE K&T! I believe she is "rebelling" against her mom! She doesn't have a Spiritual battle with "pagan" input, but a spiritual battle with "principalities!" If she doesn't come back 7 more demons will enter & will get "reprobate mind!"
I have felt that this was true also, and sad. We have used manipulation in trying to reach more people. Maybe the intent was good but the method was really less than Holy and pure. When ministers are guilt driven themselves they portray a "damned if you don't message" which lays a foundation of so called truth that we are all messed up and must try to get better. The real truth, which is also displayed for us by Jesus and his conscious cleansing work on Calvary, is that we are clean, accepted and wonderfully loved. The first lie that started our mishap was that something was wrong and God was holding something back from us, or said another way "we were lacking something". We have been given all things pertaining to life and Godliness. Pure action comes from pure foundation, a lying foundation will never produce pure actions.
"a lying foundation will never produce pure actions." GOD SAID "damned if u don't" (Is 8:20) & if u don't believe READ what HE SAID happens! WORD is what was given "pertaining to life and godliness, so if u don't believe "u lack something!"
Jesus did not die for anyone's sins - although he was killed by the religious fanatics of the day; who then covered up their guilt by plagarizing pagan stories and attaching them to Jesus. MANY early Christians questioned the church's brainwashing
I believe, Norine - I just don't believe in the lies. Aren't you even SORT of curious about why Jesus was really here? There were several 'sons of god' who were born, lived and died to save the world from their sins in a VERY similar way - plagarism.
Catherine, Christ did indeed die for the sins of the world. Scripture, scripture, scripture. That much is black and white and you've chosen to refuse it - that's freewill and that's fine. But, it is a lie.
"I believe, Norine" How can u say this & question why He came or say "He did not come to save?" What did He come for to walk around & look @ man He created? Are u saying He didn't die on Cross, send Holy Spirit, gave GRACE? What?
I've written a long hub that details the inferiority complex that was INTENTIONALLY placed on people to unite the Roman Empire's scattered pagan religions to make them easier to rule over. I use scripture, logic and other resources. Learn who you are
IF U BELIEVE, WHY DON"T U BELIEVE SPIRIT RATHER THAN THE BIBLE? IF SO, U "KNOW" HE WILL "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH!" WHY CONCERN YOURSELF W/VERIFYING LIES? IT'S NOT THE BIBLE, BUT HOLY SPIRIT I BLV! Do u blv there's a heaven but no hell
Was there something wrong with the woman before the serpent deceived her. I am not arguing against faith, but I'm not beating the air either. The consciousness of mankind is what was polluted, not his being.
The "consciousness of man" needs to "return to GOD!" It's a Spiritual Warfare & if 1 doesn't believe WORD, n trouble! Where else can we go for "Spiritual TRUTH" (Jn 6:68)? Surely not "lying man!" But some would "rather believe man than GOD" (Act
Yes, that is exactly what my stuff is about - returning to God and kicking religion to the curb where it belongs. Good Eve question 2 theories: that story is bogus or a metaphor - I lean toward bogus. Yet another way to force 'submission' onto women.
I HATE RELIGION TOO! See why u need to "STUDY" Bible rather than "research" origin? Under New Covenant, "There is neither male or female "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Gal 3:28)! How can u "research" if you don't KNOW WHAT "IS WRITTEN?"
God is our Source, Creator, and Baseline who keeps our eternal souls UNTOUCHED by the harsh realities of this existence; while only attracting 'the good' in our lives to himself. It is the part that will stay with us after we die. No religion needed.
TRUE! GOD can't be contained yet we need "BASELINE" (WORD)! HOLY SPIRIT will "REVEAL" deceit! Hope you still believe HE WORKS & HAVE THE POWER TO "REVEAL?" If so, keep "STUDYING" HIS WORD & HE WILL "REVEAL" - "ALL THINGS" - DECEIT TOO!
These R the treasures that he is keeping for us in heaven - every good thing, as seen as he originally saw them. You R an expression of God & WILL return home without condition - cuz that is the only way God knows how to love - unconditionly.
Lk 17 the kingdom of God is within you. Christ said this to Pharisees before he died who did not believe in him. John 10:34 Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Jn 3 The wind bloweth where it listeth so is everyone born of the spirit.
Whether a person was felt guilty by a religion, Christianity, God Himself or any other type and does not do the Will of God, the Father of Jesus; that person may feel guilty in despite of any organized organization's opinion. If a person has read and understood all that the Bible says, but does not obey God's Word then nothing or any one needs to make the person feel guilty. No one should be judged according to the 4 points here. What a person does is strictly between the person, Jesus and God.
Who told u this? "The Father of JESUS?" I Tim 3:16=manifested HIMSELF! WORD "should" make the person feel guilty if not doing (Isaiah 28:13)! "No one should judge" w/WORD (I Pet 4:17)? "What a person does...?" What about Isaiah 59:8?
Religious people are KNOWN for the guilt that their religions PILE on them - it keeps them in line, distracted and doing exactly what religious founding fathers wanted to keep people calm & united a couple thousand years ago. Time to wake up.
No conviction needed - another LIE. We DON'T NEED to be 'saved'. We are here to experience life on behalf of God. Jesus had LOTS to say before he died - what was it? What did he send his disciples out to teach people? That he was GOING to die?!!
Even "unblvrs" have "guilty consciences" when violating their "morals!" They call it that we call it "conviction!" HS "reminds us" (convicts) we're violating HIS WORD! WORD LIED? Did u READ Ep 2:8-9 re: SAVED? Need more rm for other Q's!
There is provision for assessment and accountability in christian walk with God. Relating in christiandom is not limited to God-Jesus-Self alone.An indinidual level of faith can be determined by his or her ways (fruits) Thats why discipleship is key
This is what you do not get, Norine - 'word' cannot be contained in that man-written, man-smushed-together book. You KNOW that word is SPIRIT! God did NOT create the world with a bunch of PAGES! How can the energy that creates worlds be so contained?
You're right (Jn 21:25)! My problem is, u thk GOD is not "jealous" & will share His Glory! Would your spouse? You thk no one needs salvation! There r consequences in natural world as in Spiritual! Read my resp to ur HUB!
I don't see any response from you. I will HAPPILY read your hub IF you actually read my hub, first - THEN adjust your response. You're responding from the same place everyone does - you are so sure you know what it says and how to debunk it.
I've READ it Catherine! U "thk" GOD is in ALL (HE IS) but if not as Is 8:20 says serving their "own" god even some "Christians" (2Kgs17:29-41)! U "thk" no salvation, then no hell! Wrong! U "thk" Holy Spirit not GREATER than man's LIES! Wrong!
Jesus' main message was about the Kingdom of God. It is what he was teaching for years before someone finally shut him up for his 'blasphemy'. Explain all the plagarism in the bible. Explain the similarities between over THIRTY previous 'christs'.
Listen Cat, if we "WAIT" (as u did BUT deny HIS POWER), the Holy Spirit will "reveal" ALL "LIES!" "TRUST HIM" (Prov 3:5)! No trust hinders! We don't need to "try" & "figure out!" How can "we" do a BETTER JOB than the Holy Spirit? Are "we" GREATE
God put a brain in your head to think for yourself. Was that blasphemous for him to do? Why would he bother when you are so easily led by lies as so many are? You don't care about the truth about your ancient 'savior' or what they really did to him.
A "brain" for U to READ HIS WORD & "lean not to your OWN understanding" overtaking the Holy Spirit's job which removes u fm "new revelation" & leads u into "lies" for denying HIS POWER & can possibly lead to a "reprobate mind" Rm1:28! BE
I sure as hell do not deny his power - he has directly led MANY people out of the Christian religion, including me via his spirit. Again, FEAR keeps you from looking outside of that book - a control that was PURPOSELY written in by humans to rule.
How am I "ruled" Cat? The Kingdom of GOD is "IN" me & "guides" me; not man! I'm FREE! I do as I please! Do u thk I don't do as others? Do u thk I don't enjoy LIFE? Do u thk I don't swim, bowl, go to movies, parties, etc? I "PUT GOD FIRST" n ALL I
Norine that is the difference between me and you your god allows you to hate , say cuss words. attack people by name calling .there is nothing christain about you but your mouth is deceitful. Live before you can claim it.
K&T: U r "in bondage!" I give WORD not "cussing" but maybe repeating what another has said to "RELATE" to individual. That's how u MISSED GOD! HE "tried" to RELATE, u MISSED! I Cor 9:19-27 "I became..to gain the more for CHRIST" See? U "MISSED!"
I think it depends a lot on who is administering the religion to you.
Rare as it is, admittedly, I've encountered priests and pastors who emphasise more on one's relationship with God, rather than what the church or the priest himself expects you to do.
The eastern religions are also less obsessive with the whole blame thing. Though I must add in many cases, it evolves to superstition i.e. don't do this, you'd suffer that etc.
On the whole, I'd say it's a case of religious leaders finding it far easier to use guilt/blame/siege mentality to manage and retain believers. It happens often. But is not a must for organized religions to survive.
The problem is "Organized Religion" & those too LAZY to "STUDY" for themselves! As lost sheep being lead to slaughter, they continue to "Amen" men & not search for TRUTH IN HIS WORD for themselves! FOOLS!
I've studied Christianity and several religions on top of that, and this still applies: making people believe that they are unworthy - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create monsters
You don't think that the PROFOUND 'you're not worthy' inferiority complex Christianity has falsely created to enslave people (it certainly is NOT what Jesus preached) harms both individuals and the world? God does not live in a lying book, Norine.
YES! And is PRECISELY why I tell ALL TRUTH as u should be doing vs "researching" LYING MEN! Who cares what "man" has said for the HS will "lead & guide" but u waste ur "gift" proving their wrong (we already KNOW)! I Cor 10:21="Wasting GIFT!"
Cartherine, I agree with Norine. Relying upon our own understanding is folly. Many bible scholars are full of useless knowledge because they're not allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them as they study scripture.
Norine, you know scripture, which I believe can be interpreted any way someone wants. One thing that can't be misinterpreted is the 10 Commandments. One says, "Thou shalt not kill." Did I miss the part where it says, "unless the person is gay?"
"Interpreted" (man)? YES! "REVEALED" (I Cor 2:10)? NO! GOD'S WORD is "LIFE" (Jn 6:63)! Either u BELIEVE or NOT! Re: "Gay!" Romans 1:26-32! I can't chg IT for u or anyone else! IT IS WRITTEN! I "LOVE" by giving WORD which is "LIFE!"
Again, there is WAY too much EVIDENCE (PROOF!) that man created that book out of either ignorance or deception - and probably both. People who 'follow' that book blindly trusting that the killers who wrote it were telling the truth are irresponsible.
CAT: U've LOST ur "TRUST" in GOD denying the "POWER" of the HOLY SPIRIT (Acts 1:8)! Matt 6:33 "SEEK" why "SEEK" if in everyone? II Cor 4:4 devil has "BLINDED" u! TEST: "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) then allow HIM to "WORK" not "YOU!"
Norine - I have NOT lost my trust in God; neither he nor 'his spirit' live in that man-written BOOK that you are still so fascinated with. As long as it is written, you believe it. How utterly IRRESPONSIBLE of you in this day and age to not RESEARCH
Girl, GOD KNEW of Technology before man who's STILL "limited!" The HOLY SPIRIT is the same yesterday as TODAY! HE "REVEALS" as HE did then! TRUE GOD IS NOT IN Book but "REVEALS" LIES therein! I pray u'll let HIM do "HIS" JOB!
I understand that you have been given really good reasons to not use your brain or question that man-made book. That is how it was designed: to enslave your mind. WHY are there so many similar 'saviors' with Jesus story, Norine? RESEARCH THINK LEARN
"CATHERINE MOSTLY" I'm sick & tired of telling YOU, "YOU" are not MORE INTELLIGENT THAN "GOD" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)! The HOLY SPIRIT "OVERRULES" any BOOK! HE WILL "reveal" ALL TRUTH & when "YOU" try to do "HIS" JOB, you lose HIM=lets u become a
You're frustrated bcuz you can't answer that question. You don't care that 'trinity' 'baptism' and 'resurrecting' are pagan concepts - fine. ALL THOSE dozens of 'saviors' that share MUCH of Jesus story & MANY of his teachings is logic you can't h
Did I "LIE?" R u MORE INTELLIGENT? Girl, I DON'T CARE what your peanut brain has "interpreted" (as other men), I KNOW the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT & ALLOW "HIM" to "WORK" which HAS "REVEALED" MANIFESTATIONS in "my life!" I pray u do the same!
Not 'interpretations' Norine - but FACTS found recorded in other history BOOKS and religious texts, such as: "how are they unique? Or are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed?" Jesus story was PRE-famous among pagans, LIES to UNITE pagans.
CAT: I keep "TRYING" to tell u, THE "SPIRIT" is what "WORKS" for me, not what man said what about ANYTHING! I BELIEVE IN HIS "SPIRIT" (HOLY SPIRIT) who "leads & guides into "ALL TRUTH!" IF LIES r therein, HE WILL "REVEAL" is the attitude of a BE
Uh huh... How is it then that we are BOTH being 'led by the spirit' while YOU continue to quote scripture, proclaiming it to be "it is WRITTEN"? Is WORD illogical, N? WHY was the SON given the SAME fairytale stories as previous pagan 'saviors' - LIES
If I blv'd what man has written, (the world 4.53B yrs old, Bible 3K yrs old), I would be an Atheist! This is a SPIRITUAL journey in which Bible is Schoolmaster to show how to elevate FAITH in CREATOR! HE has POWER to tell us right fm wrong; u BLV
BOOK is NOT 'schoolmaster' for SPIRIT - it is LIES told by men to rule over MASS populations of unruly pagans: ALL THOSE pre-saviors that share MUCH of Jesus story & MANY of his teachings WHY IS THAT, NORINE? Why can't you answer that ONE questio
"Pre-saviors?" In Bible or out? I got to know where u r! WOW! I took a nap & GOD gave me this for u: Jer 17:5 "Thus saith the LORD, CURSED be the man that trusteth in man, & maketh flesh his arm, & whose heart departeth from the LORD!"
Do a Search. Norine, if I trusted man - I would trust that BOOK like you do. What did Christians do for 300 years without it? Why were so many (hundreds) of gospels destroyed - and yet, God has left 'The Satanic Bible' and other 'offenses' intact?
It's "A TEST!" You're going to do as HE SAID or "become a FOOL" just like u! "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) & "ALLOW HIM" do HIS JOB; "BELIEVING" & having "FAITH" in HIS WORD & HE will "REVEAL" "ALL LIES" within that "BOOK!"
No, its not a test. Most Christians could not READ and there was NO BOOK for the first few hundred years of Christianity. Ask, Seek, Knock... Research is NOT 'ungodly' its SMART - in combo with SPIRIT it is REVEALING as you keep saying... Try it.
Apparently it is for we MUST "stand" on HIS WORD or become as u! I agree GOD can't be contained in a Book! I just disagree w/u denying HIS BLOOD; no salvation needed, & no hell! Atheist & unbelievers going to heaven too? Why did HE come? Ans
Again, I've already answered in detail. Nutshell: he came to teach the Kingdom of God - just not the paganized version you have been deceived into believing. READ it you'll see why there is no NEED for hell, where evil comes from, how to deal with it
U said "Seek!" If the KoG is ALREADY in us, what r we "seeking" (Matt 6:33)? If no hell, then no heaven? If heaven, are ALL going? Atheist 2? Why should we BELIEVE "anything" just live morally & enter? By ur analogy, HE'S going to accept every1
Read or shut the fluck up, Norine - from this point on, I will not respond to your sad ignorance. I will simply cut & paste proof after proof on top of them. There are people watching; and you are a VERY good example of 'what is wrong' with relig
Don't get upset, I'm trying to understand ur thinking! Why would u not believe that SPIRIT will "reveal" w/o "RESEARCH?" Do u thk so less of HIM that HE needs "your" help? You r a prime example of how Satan places "strongholds" in r minds (Jn10:10
I absolutely believe that "SPIRIT will "reveal" w/o "RESEARCH" - it HAS to since The Bible is a manipulative book of pagan lies. Every time you make that claim about 'spirit/word' and use scripture in the same paragraph - you contradict yourself.
Why "Research?"Contradict=wrong! I give WORD & if they've "WAITED," the Holy Spirit will "reveal" LIES unto both if Book manip! THE SPIRIT is GREATER than Book, if 1 "WAITS!" I give WORD BELIEVING "TRUE" (fm heart), if WORD manip, HE'LL"reveal
Misfit your understanding does not apply to all humans or christians ,all humans can decide that for themselfs. Because you are human as any other and your resources are human. Which makes all human equal to choose what they want. Not to dictate
I know, that is the LAST Christian defense: FREEDOM to HARM, KILL, teach kids they are inferior, yet superior, to other sinners. Righteous indignation buried under centuries of spoon-fed ignorance. Just believe, don't question - its ALL TRUE!
I KEEP TELLING YOU, if you DON'T "BELIEVE" with a "PURE HEART," HE'LL allow Satan run rapid in your mind ("Researching")! CAT, there's NO WAY u can "Research" BETTER than the HOLY SPIRIT! Give it up! Let HIM do "HIS JOB!"
The bible may be just a book to many . Its more then words. Its messages, its also codes,it has its own security system no one can change no matter people say and do to it. The problem with people is they think they know what its content is .not so
This is why I have said that Norine is 'on the verge' because she KNOWS that God is SPIRIT - and yet, CAN'T quite reach beyond the book through brainwashing to grasp the simple truths. At some point, you gotta let go and let God - truly trust. Awaken
I can't agree that KoG is in ALL! Yes, spirit in ALL but not GOD'S unless 1 BELIEVES otherwise Atheist & ALL going to heaven! If so, let's just do as we please! Kill, steal, sex anything, whatever for we all go to heaven, right?
You can't deny I Tim 3:16 "GOD MANIFESTED HIMSELF INTO FLESH; you can't deny Rev 1:8 JESUS is Alpha & Omega; you can't deny unless your NWT has chgd TRUTH! GOD has "MANY" GLORIES & called "MANY" NAMES; yet "ONE SPIRIT" & "@NAME JESUS, u
All religions are not necessarily bad - even Christianity when you have it in perspective. There are many Christians who participate in the communities who have come to believe that there ARE lies that were deliberately-inserted to make all the various pagan religions across the Roman Empire easier to rule and manage. Those people stay in the religion because it is their 'home' where their families are. And besides, you can easily 'believe in Jesus' - along with the real message he was teaching before he died - and not the manipulative psychological controls that surround him.
The really sad thing is that the more you prove the salvation message of Christianity to be a manipulative, religious control - no matter how many ways you prove that FACT - believers scream louder about it being 'the truth' - and how their 'freedom of speech' has been compromised; and their beliefs are 'under attack'.
And the world continues to suffer simply because know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about the things that would be too painful for them to discover - much less, admit.
ALL religions have been diminishing over the decades because they have run their course among us - while we start to realize the spiritual truths about ourselves and our children. God does not need a book to do that. For instance, many many Christians no longer teach their kids that they - or their friends - are going to hell.
Christianity in particular was designed to be manipulative and it is obvious. Do your research. We DO NOT need to be told to 'be good' - it is our natural state of being. Making people believe that they are 'unworthy' - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create human monsters.
This is the 21st Century - there is almost no excuse for every person of religion to not have done the research surrounding the founding of their religion. SHOULD you believe what you think? Maybe... Check it out, verify it - don't let killers and murders rule your spirit.
Heb 13:8! "Research" DEFIES SCRIPTURE (Prov3:5)! We should ONLY "think" WORD! GOD is the CREATOR & "RULER OF OUR SPIRIT!" Why let Satan (man) cont LIE to u & "think" u need to "research" how much? "don't let SATAN rule ur spirit" (Jn 10:10)
And thus have the religious elite kept you in spiritual bondage to them. For goodness sake, RESEARCH, Norine! Don't let killers and murderers rule your brain. It is very valuable - that is why they did this in the first place. Read my hub to start.
I've been through hell to get this mind, and it is a mind we can all have - not that my mind is perfect, ha! But, you can tell that it was once in prison and has been set totally FREE. It happens all the time and more often. Always happy to gab.
AND STILL GOING THRU "HELL" (CONFUSED) IF U RECOGNIZE SATAN (RESEARCH)! EITHER U BLV OR NOT (ICOR10:21) & NOT THERE'S A GOD BUT "ALL" HIS WORD! IF U SPENT AS MUCH X N WORD AS U DO N RESEARCH, U'D BE AN ASSET TO CHRIST! NOW-NOTHING N HIM! Heb 3:
Slarty, u don't know but u r close! HE "created good & evil" 2 "fulfill HIS WILL!" When 1 loses "FAITH," GOD "ALLOWS" Satan to enter; therefore, 1 has become "drunk" & NOTHING lol about it! I Pet 1:7 "FAITH ON TRIAL!"
It seems you have been the unfortunate victim of imperfect human application of divine faith. That is regrettable and it is also sad that your impressions are common.
However, the objective good news that transcends personal feelings is that (I am speaking from a Christian standpoint) God actually offers the only legitimate cure for real, felt guilt: eternal forgiveness. Religious people can be the judgmental type because they suffer from the prototypical religious sin: spiritual pride (I can say that because I suffer from it). The great news for everyone is that ultimate forgiveness is not granted by other people but already earned through Christ.
If you're ever in the New York area, send me message and let me know. You're welcome to come worship with us at our local church. There, we don't make you feel anything. We simply introduce you to Christ and let Him do the rest.
Your "church" MUST teach "The Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" or you all are "leading sheep astray" (Jer 23:1)! Have u been baptized according to how the disciples were AFTER the establishment of the FIRST CHURCH (Acts 2:38)?
Sure it could be making you feel guilty. But if they're saying, "Confess to God your sins, ask for forgiveness" that isn't meant for you to be guilty, but to save yourself from your sin by being honest with Jesus, and be more cautious of your decisions in order to be close with the Lord.
I have been researching religion and how it is manipulated to control the masses. Interesting views I come across. Perhaps this guilt is a tool long discovered to hold a people at morality standards even as science exposes harsh reality about religion.
If u "researched" Christianity, u'd KNOW It's ALL SPIRITUAL & the Holy Spirit "leads & guides us" not what "we think;" therefore, NEVER GUILTY! WORD says "There is NO CONDEMNATION to those "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1)! We sin, repent, forgive
No repentence or forgiveness needed. The bible is FILLED with one PAGAN story after another. Pagan concepts were plagarized into ONE religion in order to unite their ecclectic masses across the empire. There is LOTS of proof how this was done.
So says "man!" Who do u "BLV" - "man" or GOD?" Man thought the earth flat at one point, but GOD KNEW (Is 40:22)! When was Isaiah written (8th Century BCE)? When did Columbus discover round (1492)? R U "IGNORANT?"
Again, Norine - man wrote that book and put it together. God is spirit you know this. His word cannot be contained; nor is ALL of his 'truth' in one place. Tainted humans are power-hungry killers - and you believe what they want you to believe. Learn
AS WORD SAYS "U CAN'T SERVE 2 MASTERS!" U CAN'T SAY "U BELIEVE" & Q R "RESEARCH!" JN 21:25 "THERE R ALSO MANY OTHER THGS JESUS DID IF THEY'D B WRITTEN EVEN THE WORLD COULDN'T CONTAIN THE BOOKS!" BUT HOLY SPIRIT WILL "REVEAL" ALL! GET ON BOARD!
The ONLY WAY that makes sense is if you believe in a BOOK instead of the SPIRIT - talk about splitting yourself between two masters! Your masters are power-hungry, blood-thirsty murderers and you don't realize it. THAT is why you would LEARN.
Not the BOOK but the WORD therein! GOD LOOK @ THE HEART! When HE "SEES" a "PURE HEART" - "WORSHIPING HIM IN SPIRIT," DO U BELIEVE HE WILL NOT "LEAD & GUIDE U?" Man did write, but was "INSPIRED BY GOD" & I LOVE THE "BENEFITS!"
just because you read king James does not make you suffcient in scriptures no doctor is a doctor of one book or source He has to be student in all his career . Jehovah is very important Jesus stressed it in the Lords prayer. 'Hollowed be thy name'
Ohhhh... I get where you are coming from now, K&T. You're one of those 'Jesus was an original Jew and a member of the ORIGINAL, true religion of Judaism'. Plagarized Stories: Eden, Noah's Flood, Ten Commandments, the Book of Proverbs.
What I hate about K&T, she defies Scripture! IF u "pin her down" for "answer," (I Pet 3:15) she "RUNS" which is AGAINST Scripture! IDK! Must be JW'S "misinterpretation" of a Scripture (belief)! "GOD" is not the author of confusion?"
No misfit I am not what you analyze at all Neither your whole out look. When will people understand omething happens for a reason. Its not all about us as many think .We just are part of an issue. No need to have conversations with people who argue
"No need to conversate w/ppl who argue?" Gal 2:11 "But when Peter came to Antioch, I "WITHSTOOD HIM TO THE FACE, bcuz he was to be blamed." K&T, u ALWAYS speak AGAINST WORD & I "try" to correct fm "twisted" belief! BUT WHO CARES what GOD HAS
Personally I don't believe in organized religion but I do respect those that do and I'd never judge someone based on their religion it's just something I personally don't agree with. I do however believe in god and from what I know God loves and forgives and sometimes people get ostracized and judged from committing a sin that is nothing compared to some of the other things that go on in this world. I think organised religion was created so people could have something and someone of a higher power to believe in, I think people need hope and faith in their lives but I also think that religion is one of the biggest problems we face in this world. Different religions have different Gods but I believe you can still believe in them with out having to follow a bunch of different rules. Everyone makes mistakes and they should never be judged and ostracized for those mistakes. Saying that there are some people that do unforgivable things and are just plain bad. In my eyes saying someone should and is going to hell for one small mistake or not even a mistake just for doing and saying something someone else doesn't agree with is wrong.
"but I do respect those that do [Blv Religions] & I'd never judge someone based on their religion" is AGAINST BIBLE! "No other gods" (Exd 20:3) "Judge" (Lev 19:17;IPet 4:17)! If u blv in GOD,u MUST blv ALL of HIS WORD not what u've "heard" but RE
Wrong again, Norine - religious tolerance is something that has been practiced successfully by Christians, Jews and Muslims in the past. Jesus told his followers that a PAGAN Roman Centurian had more faith than anyone he had come across in Israel.
Kassy, you have nailed it! Norine, What I think you're saying is, you'll never judge someone based on them being part of a different religion, but their interpretation of gospel doctrine must be the same as yours otherwise they are wrong.
are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed? Why do Christians believe their stories are distinctive? There is nothing unusual about what Cs believe, except they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God. Celsus 170 CE
LOL! TRUE of "organized RELIGION!" TRUE WORSHIPERS follow JESUS thru Paul re: "tithing" (giving) & ALL other "thgs pertaining to life & godliness" under the New Covenant! Giving is NOW "of one's heart" (II Cor 9:6-7)! Don't let "man" fool u
Norine, you agree that 'religions' are bogus; and yet INSIST that the obvious manipulative principles within them are TRUE. It seems to me that you only did HALF of your research. Go finish your homework.
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS but SPIRITUAL as Christ, & I do I BLV "the obvious manipulative principles within them are TRUE." Don't EVER compare me w/RELGION! I HATE RELIGION! The HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD/JESUS) does NOTHING "halfway!" WORD needs "hmwrk?"
Yes, I think sinful humans have twisted scripture and made things action-based. Religion creates guilt, but that is not what following Jesus is about. Correct that faith and religion are very different. God isn't about making people feel guilty, though he does set up restrictions to help us live the most safe, joyful, fulfilled life possible. If a church makes you feel guilty, it's probably not truly understanding who God is and how much he loves us.
I love the term you used - "action-based!" It stands TRUE to Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by GRACE r ye saved THRU "FAITH;" & that NOT OF OURSELVES ("action-based"): it is the "GIFT" of GOD. Not of WORKS ("action-based") lest any man should boast. Amen
Another issue you have, Norine - you buck against almost every response because it is not a perfect representation of the DOGMA that is in your head. God has never set up any 'restrictions'. Archeology has thoroughly debunked Jews in the wilderness.
So says "man!" Don't u KNOW GOD will "reveal!" Don't u "BELIEVE?" "DOGMA" is in WORD, which I "quote!" I didn't "buck against her response!" I agreed - "Not action based" for the Holy Spirit "WORKS" - "not we ourselves, lest any man should boast!"
No, well maybe just a little. Global-warming is what the evil-cabal of global-elite is using to make the proletariat feel guilty for leaving a supposed carbon-footprint. The UN will impose a tax to erase national sovereignty and supecede constitutions.
The Kingdom of God is within you. It is already here and has been on this Earth for a while, now. Does anyone else find the gleefulness Christians demonstrate around the rapture disturbing? I'm going to be SO HAPPY to leave you suckers behind!
Perfect point, Kevin. If "followers" believe Global Warming is a bigger problem than Radical Islamic Terrorisim, like some do, then they're drinking U.N. Kool-Aid. Just a different punch bowl of stupid unswerving guilt. Our enemies thrive on heat.
Hello hubber. Your opinion is not generally acceptable as standard. First,there is no religion without faith in any reasonable religion.Because faith is built upon a chain of principles that form the creed which serves as the tenet or pillar of a particullar religion. The guit factor u have enumerated are part of the core practices of the church known as doctrine. Its mandatory for a christian to attend church (fellowship with others),pay tithe to allow God to rebuke devourers from your income,its for your benefit to obey the authority over you,because they would give account of their stewardship over you.
Secondly,the bible is writen by the inspiration of the Holy spirit to holy men,who were not given over to love for mundane things nor selfish gain.So the book remain infallible.
Thirdly, i do not subscribe to wrong doings of some spiritual leaders as you mentioned perhaps in your church.But if you have sinned realy,its important as human to have a guilty feeling if the conscience is in the right place.Then,a Godly sorrow,leading to genuine repentance has to be sought for from God and restitution to the person you wronged.Psator has his faith or religious obligation,worshippers have theirs.
"If you have sinned realy,its important as human to have a guilty feeling if the conscience is in the right place." PRECISELY - It's not RELIGION - but morals! Spiritual leaders have an obligation to GOD & souls to exceed unbeliever's "morals!"
You believe that cuz you've been taught what is acceptible since birth. Things like making people believe they are 'unworthy sinners' along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the things that create human monsters.
MOST have been "program'ed!" Environment does that to one! Welcome to life even in the "carnal!" Holy Spirit places one ABOVE & "reveals" TRUTH in ALL THINGS but we MUST let HIM WORK; "not "we" oursleves!"
Yes, that is what I keep telling you, Norine - stop believing in a multi-pagan book written to unite multiple pagan religions in multiple countries across the roman empire. I have a LONG list of unexplained things you have yet to explain.
Book is "Baseline!" SPIRIT works for me! ALLOW Holy Spirit to "WORK" in your life; no confusion! Stop looking o/s WORD which causes more! You compile the list! I'm going to Arkansas! Email me on Monday! Stay Blessed! Love ya!
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No, you believe the pagan lies told about Jesus Christ in order to unite the world in political & spiritual servitude. YOU could care LESS about the real message of Jesus or what really happened to him. You are 1 of many sheep following orders.
I don't 'teach' anything other than a spiritual journey - and neither did Jesus. But, you follow a BOOK that was created for political motivations by PAGANS trying to unite a world of diversity - and succeeded, fooling even YOU after so long. LEARN
Again, I wrote a whole article explaining in detail. You were obviously too afraid or too much of a know-it-all to read. Believe what you want. Don't insist that book to be spiritually viable in ignorance and I will stop calling you and Norine out
CAT: What do u want me to say? WORD wasn't "inspired by GOD?" How then could "man" know of all the "accurate fulfilled prophecies" therein? How could u KNOW we r spirits fm GOD? What "book" lead u 2 where u r today? Being raised Catholic, I understa
misfit chik- perfect name-- if you hate Christianity so much find another sand box to play in. You will not influence any real Christians, just the rebellious non believers as yourself. You know not of what you speak, you speak trash
Charlie: Satan "deceives" those he KNOWS will be an asset to Christ more than others! When they've "tasted of the heavenly gift" & "fall away" he's HAPPY because they've "crucified HIM afresh" (Heb 6:4-8)! Pray for her!
Check out the Baha'i faith. It is not based on guilt. Baha'i unifies all religions by looking at the Source of religion, God. All prophets emanate from the same Source and try to teach a message for their time and place. Respect all prophets and you will have One religion, no guilt, no manipulation.
Not all prophets are of God. Otherwise they would agree, but they do not. There are false gods and false prophets. You are just fooling yourself to think otherwise. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. . .
TRUE! WORD speaks of "false prophets & gods" (2Kgs 17:29-41)! Is 8:20 says "If they speak not according to THIS WORD, there is no LIGHT in them!" Do I not give HIS WORD? Why when "sermons" r preached & NO WORD, there is no LIGHT in them!
Yeah, there are other religions since Christianity that do that - Theosophy is another big one. MANY 'unbelieving' Christians stay in their religions for peace's sake, ha! A general 'spirituality' is what we are heading for as the lies become obvious
"General spiritually?" Well, that eliminates the Ten Commandments; especially "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exd 20:3)! We can now be "general!" A "general" spirit is why there r so many diff Religions (Hindu, Buddha, Muslim+)2Kgs17:29-
"A "general" spirit is why there r so many diff Religions" You finally got something right, Norine! God is DIVERSE, has NO RELIGION and has NEVER commissioned one. Jews in the desert has been DEBUNKED by Archeology. God has no need for commandments.
Well, it sure is FACT, husbands hate wives to commit "adultery," & IF I was GOD, I'd hate too; if I came & died for u, u'd BETTER serve ME; if I sent u a gift (after dying) & u threw back in face, u'd suffer! If u create anything, u want
AND wives hate husbands to commit adultery - did we really need to be told that? I did not ask (nor need) anyone to die for me - and no one has. Nobody died for you, either - what was Jesus ORIGINAL message BEFORE jerks killed him? Why hide it?
Norine, you've tried to read my hub a couple times - I know its hard for you. BUT, if you actually read it - not necessarily all at once - you'll see that I answer - in detail - every question you've EVER asked me. It all makes PERFECT sense.
Again, I RELY ON THE "HOLY SPIRIT" not what "man" says-THEY LIE but HOLY SPIRIT doesn't! I Cor 4:10 "We r "fools" for CHRIST'S sake, but ye are "wise" in CHRIST; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised!" WORD fm GOD!
BOOK is NOT GOD... Damn, you're BRAINWASHED. You can't grasp that you sprew lies JUST like they taught you to. BOOK of PAGAN LIES DECEPTIVE REALITY INFERIOR SOULS PAGAN LIES TO UNITE PAGANS ACROSS A VAST ROMAN EMPIRE pagan trinity = pagan SPIRIT
I NEVER said I BELIEVE "TRINITY!" There's ONE SPIRIT who is JEALOUS & u would be 2 if u were GOD! Pagan: Some, but HOLY SPIRIT "GREATER" do u hear "GREATER" & will "REVEAL!" Let HIM do "HIS JOB!" What happens to "unbelievers" since "NO HELL
If *I* were God, I would not be jealous; especially if I was supposedly the only infinite, omnipotent, divine One. For God, jealousy in this context isn't love, merely power and control; and on my part, it wouldn't be love, merely fear.
K&T: MAN can't chg the ONE SPIRIT (JEHOVAH aka GOD) for that is "WHAT" HE IS no matter what "Name" (which is "Not" a Name but is HIS FUNCTIONS) which means "I AM, WAS & IS TO COME") those are HIS FUNCTIONS as is "I AM" meaning "EVERYTHING" S
Doesn't mean you're right bcuz u believe! If WORD can be "rightly divided," IT can be "wrongly divided" as well. IF not living "AFTER THE CROSS" preaching "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9) "ACCURSED!"
Yes, most of the religions are made of a set of rules which are forced on people in the name of god. Those religions are actually not the pure form of religion but is a mixture of religion with social and cultural rules. But there do exist other religions which doesn't impose rules upon the followers. One the purest form of religion is zen Buddhism. Its main difference from other religions is that it doesn't impose an idea of god on people, it doesn't have a haven or hell, it doesn't force you to do something or punishes for doing something that is not good. In every religion like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc the core doesn't have any rules. Those rules are made up by the people who stand between the follower and the god (priest prophet etc). Zen and Some variations of Hinduism, Christianity and Sufism is about the core of religion, and there is no muddle man between god and followers. And thus the answer is that its not the religion which makes you feel guilty but its the middle man between you and god who builds its foundation of making you feel guilty.
Mike Cia a fruit tree say apple may have good fruit as you look then you notice there are some bruised and worms crawl on and in them. Can you just collect and mix the fruit . And eat them ? No ! If you mix them they will bruise .what to do ?
You've "collected & mixed the fruit" blving "TWISTED MAN-MADE DOCTRINE" blving GOD DOESN'T KILL! I guess u never read OT? HE'S the SAME yesterday, today & forever!" If that was HIS MO then, it is NOW! HE doesn't chg only "man" (CULTS) chgs H
Not quite. While some religions do in fact make use of (to some degree) feelings of guilt in order to draw in and keep its faithful from going against its doctrine (see: some american protestant christian denominations, catholicism, islam, orthodox christianity, scientology, to name a few), there are many other religious which don't. Several christian denominations and non christian religions are focused on self improvement and teaching people to love one another rather than making sure they follow a strict set of rules, attend church or obey the commands of a pastor/minister/priest/etc. There is, indeed, a big difference between having faith and just having a religion. Religion without faith is just a bunch of empty rituals and rules, while faith can exist without religion.
My idea on the subject is that, if a certain religion seems more worried about making sure you follow some rules and commands than actualy teaching you things and showing you ways to understand and love other people, then it is likely not worth the effort. Religion is meant to bring people together with God and other people, not keep them apart from others using using empty rules. Of course, the rules exist for a reason, that is, to teach us things and to love other people. If the rules fail at doing that, then they must be thrown away.
I'm also heavily against obligatory tithes or donations to religious groups. Asking is ok, and I may even give something if I can clearly see where this money is going and that it is being used for a good cause. Otherwise, any religion that is worried about my money can make a permanent visit to the trash can.
There was not one thing that I disagreed with in here - well said. Here is a good 'soul check': if you feel any guilt while simply going about your normal life - you're in spiritual bondage. You can be free anywhere in any situation, even harsh ones.
Both of u r wrong! There r not a Billion+ highways to get to THE CREATOR found in each man! Does ur spouse want u to have another? Neither does GOD! I guess Atheist are n "spiritual bondage," they experience a "guilty conscience" when doing wrong!
Yeah, that is a leftover thread from religion, ha! Very few people are aware of who/what they actually are; nor the true nature of our reality - spiritual or otherwise. You can't understand because you refuse to look beyond your programmed beliefs, N
I'm not looking beyond "JESUS" (aka Holy Spirit)! FAITH is the key (moves mountains)! U forget HIS POWER! U threw "gift" back n HIS FACE! U "don't know who u are" r u wouldn't be "researching!" ALL u blv is there is a GOD (II Kgs 17:29-41)! FOOL!
Matt 5:22 ...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. I have never EVER - not once - told you to 'look beyond Jesus OR the Spirit'. I've told you to RESEARCH, LISTEN and LEARN - fear holds you back. What if I'm right?
Is 8:20 "To the law & to the testimony: if they (u) speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (u)!" Which makes u a "FOOL!" I didn't say IT! Man can't teach me MORE than GOD! Again, FOOL!
Is 8:20 "...if they speak not according to this word, it is bcuz there is no light in them." Therefore, "FOOL!" I didn't say IT! GOD is jealous as your spouse & if u "thk" there r K's of ways to HIM; Again, I say "FOOL!" I'm not "close," I'm "IN
Neat. You just used scripture to call me a fool and took no credit for it because paper pages gives you permission to act on God's behalf while you take no responsiblity. Yet another GLARING reason why peeps need to RE-EVALUATE their 'faith'.
IF u don't BELIEVE "GOD IS JEALOUS" (as a spouse) & "WILL NOT SHARE "HIS" GLORY," u're LOST; therefore, A FOOL! Is 11:4 "...he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, & w/the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked!" Provide boo
Which means you can say anything that is in that book to anyone FREELY without taking responsiblity for it. Again, GREAT REASON to re-evaluate that book that you worship, where it came from and WHY it is so harmful to you and others through you.
If HE SAID & HE KNOWS "I BELIEVE" HE SAID IT by looking @ "my heart," I don't care what "man" thinks! My hearts says GOD SAID IT - not "me!" U can call it "cop out for evil, harsh words," but IF WRITTEN, "I BELIEVE" & will quote! "Harm"=BEN
"IF WRITTEN, "I BELIEVE" & will quote!" Yes, someone did an excellent job of convincing you that a book contains God's spirit and rules over you. It is the reason why that book was created - to make you easier to rule over TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
Misfit how are people being ruled over . First if I want to read a book it is by choice. If I want to believe it my choice. Like water we do not drink it all pure as said There are things in it the eye can not see But we drink it to survive.
I don't deny your right to believe in whatever fairytale you'd like to rule your life by. But I have the right to point out how dangerous & divisive your lack of knowledge, logic and common sense IS, has been and continues to be on the entire wor
I don't think so Guilherme. Buddhism for example also teaches you to be afraid for your next life. Be a good guy and you will be rewarded in your next life with an upgrade. be a bad guy and face the consequences. fear and guilt all the same.
Norine, just because you SAY you are quoting 'word' instead of a book - makes NO SENSE when you keep quoting from BOOK. You have FAILED multiple times to answer: WHY is all the pagan plagarism & multiple similar 'saviors' ok? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
Misfit I can agree what most religions do. But I am not so negative to throw a whole basket of fruit out because one or two or many apples bruise. Most likely there is a good apple . All is not rotten but if you want to believe that you have right
What you don't understand, K&T, is... *I* SAVE the religion of Christianity with my article; because I actually DID the research and was able to FIND 'some' juicy fruits - some BIG ONES, ha! I am not toting atheism - just slivers of lost truth.
I keep telling u CAT! We MUST do as HE asked "WAIT" for "HELP" & when received STAND & NOT "DOUBT!" Those who "DOUBT" allow flesh to enter (as u) & "TRY" to takeover HIS JOB (as u)! HE "REVEALS" (even "slithers") not "OUR RESEARCH!"
Norine proof of KJ translation of substituting. Isa 61:1, 2The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty
Funny-GOD gave me Is 61 as my motto! Yes name Jehovah (Description of WHAT HE IS) may have been removed but "SAME SPIRIT" as GOD (Description of WHAT HE IS)! BUT "neither" HIS NAME (JESUS) as w/The Trinity!
Guilt of Jews reaches back to killing God's son . But being manipulated is willfull. No matter what another person says it's up to me to make the final choice. So that is not a excuse. Manipulation for the good is ok. But evil No !
"Manipulation for the good is ok." - as are lies, killing, judging, etc. ANYTHING needed to convince people that they are united in a common, pagan bond so that they can be ruled over in a much more peaceful, CONTROLLED way in a pagan world is okay.
"K&T: U blv as Trinity blvrs: Thnk Father & Son r TWO & Jehovah is NAME rather than a description of WHAT HE IS! How stupid they are for blving father son & Holy Spirit is a name & it isn't in life! CAT: U r fluffed up! U thk u b
Again some people mix the wrong meaning .religion is supposed to introduce you to your creator, helping to support you in a spiritual way. But the main goal is between you an the Heavenly Father. He gave you life He can also return it ig lost.
Are father & son names or titles? As u've told me before, JEHOVAH means WAS/IS/&IS TO COME (aka "I AM")! Sounds more like a description of "WHAT" HE IS (aka GOD) to me & is HIS NAME "FOREVER" (GOD)! U sound "twisted" as TRINITY Believers
"THEY" are "ONE SPIRIT!" When I say "HALLELUJAH," I praise THAT SAME "SELF SAME SPIRIT" Whose "NAME" is JESUS! I DON'T LIMIT GOD! RELIGION does (2 or 3)! Phil 2:10 DID NOT SAY @ the name of Jehovah, GOD, or any other Name BUT "JESUS!"
They did not want the federal government to sponsor a specific religion, but that doesn't change the fact that America is founded on Judeo-Christian principle, and values. That doesn't mean they support one religion over another, but it helped shape
If someone is trying to make you feel guilty, he doesn't understand God.
The devil twists God's words so that the vast majority of people don't understand God anymore. He set up His church, but His apostles were all killed. That church stopped receiving revelation, so men created different churches because they didn't know what else to do.
Organized religion isn't a problem. Having people run churches that don't receive revelation from God is a problem. Without revelation they get things wrong and mix truth with theories or opinions. If you think organized religion is a problem, it's because you haven't experienced God's church, only churches set up by men that imitate God's church.
Amen with the exception of "His apostles were all killed." JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8) still operates the SAME TODAY! There are "apostles!" There is "revelation" in THE CHURCH!
Apostle John died of old age. My belief is that while man may set up a church/religion with intentions to imitate God's teachings, eventually intentions are corrupted. Opinions & theories will creep into a leader's thoughts & become revelat
U can't "imitate" Holy Spirit's "revelation" of HIS WORD (Gal 1:12)! GOD set it up like that! W/O Holy Spirit, "imitation!" IF WORD is given, it would behoove 1 to "Search the Scriptures to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!
Yes, and over time - say decades & CENTURIES - the bible has been interpreted by literal, dogmatic fanatics. That isn't even touching on all the stories that were plagarized from pagan religions in order for ALL Roman citizens to be able to 'beli
CAT: Again, Again, & Again I keep TELLING YOU, "YOU ARE "TRYING" TO DO THE HOLY SPIRIT'S JOB via "RESEARCH!" Do u really think your "LIMITED BRAIN CAPACITY" (PEANUT BRAIN) can OVERWHELM the HOLY SPIRIT? Come on now! GET REAL! EITHER U BELIEVE
Yes, we all already know how you feel about research and WHY you feel this way: BOOK told you to. "Norine: to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD"... This is why Christians are in so damn much spiritual bondage.. Research is enlightening to the soul
Who's job are YOU doing, Norine? The people who told you to FEAR and ridicule research, that's who you work for. The people who made you believe that you are something you are NOT - an unworthy sinner saved by grace. Find the Truth. You can do it.
I'm NOT an "unworthy sinner" but YES "saved by GRACE!" "I AM" is NOTHING but "GRACE" or HE would have killed ALL long alone for we have "fleshly desires" which are "unrighteous" but "GROWING" via KNOWING HIM thru WORD! Just bcuz "HE breathed" spirit
That's called hitting the nail on the head. The whole point of religion is to keep the population docile and allow rulers to carry on ruling. Governments down the ages have encouraged religion because they know that a sense of guilt, and fear of the consequences of "sin", will give people second thoughts when it comes to rocking the boat.
No, Norine... your 'faith' currently has you in a prison at the moment; trying SO HARD to 'save' people before Jesus comes so they won't burn in eternity! You can relax, that won't happen. Pushing that on people is HARMFUL and NOT 'from God'.
Catherine, I have 2 Q's: What other book has as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible? & If there are consequences in the natural, what makes you think there are not in the Spiritual?
Accurate prophecies are a matter of perspective - depends on who you ask. Again, consequences are DIFFERENT than the manipulation of eternal damnation. Answer my question that you ignore: WHY is all the pagan plagarism & pre-saviors like Jesus ok
Why can't anyone give me MORE than Bible has? Why can't they show 1 fulfilled during our lifetime? WORD tells of the coming of JESUS (SAVIOR)! U disagree? If HE didn't come to SAVE, why did HE come, just to show us HE could manifest in the flesh?
I believe there is a big difference between spirituality and religion. Spirituality is all about our relationship with God (or our Higher Power), while religions are developed by people to control other people. Religion rests on getting a group of people to believe and behave a certain way, with fear of punishment for not following the rules properly. Spirituality creates a relationship with a Creative Force, in which we share and receive love, not only with God, but also with those around us. Spirituality remembers that we are all spirit beings, trapped inside vehicles of rotting flesh. Who we are is eternal, beautiful, loving. Religion wants us to forget our connection to God and forge a bond with an institution.
"The FEAR of the LORD is the BEGINNING OF WISDOM" (Prov 9:10)! Satan has decv'd to make man "thk" ALL LOVE! Once "IN CHRIST" - ALL "LIBERTY!" Don't u have consequences for your kids? Is HE not our Father?
"Religion" is a simple premise. You're not good, you're bad & visa versa. "Religion" is based on man's prerequisites. Norine you even say, quote, "I AGREE "Religion" is "butt hurting," but not the HOLY SPIRIT! There is a difference." Your word
IT IS! Thank GOD I'm not "RELIGIOUS!" I'm "SPIRITUAL" & "BIG DIFFERENCE!" Holy Spirit "leads" not "man!" Holy Spirit (aka GOD/JESUS/WORD) says in Rm 8:1 "There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them who are "IN" CHRIST JESUS who walk n SPIRIT
Consequences are one thing, Norine - threatening to throw eternal beings into an eternal like of fire is emotional terrorism that is a manipulative, man-made CONTROL not from God. Would you kill your kid for not believing you can save them? Coersion.
Like I said: emotional terrorism that is a manipulative, man-made CONTROL. Pagan followers coerced into believing lies to gut the human collective consciousness of its power. Explain why we should be okay with this, K&T. This is why I won't stop.
Misfit you have little military war going on in your perimeter of your mind. You want others to join the caos you created in your mind. I refuse. I am good and satisfied with the answers I got. Now you want be to be militant with yours ! lol! No!
Let me guess, you would kill your kid too; and I am 'militant' for being unwilling to accept those manipulated responses as being 'normal'. Humans are born innately good - and are taught hate. Almost all religions do that which is why they are dying.
No misfit I would love my son or daughter I know people who are gay, I also have family that is not against it. But that is their choice. Mine is I have a right to my own. Your relationship is with your creator not humans about morals.
Wow. I guess if Norine has a gay kid and she kills it - that's ok because she is free to believe as she chooses. If she has a gay kid - I'm willing to bet they would NEVER tell her. You're an enabler and condoner, K&T - as bad as any fanatic.
Misfit what it is validation from the true God who created all human , who put us here on this planet. It's up to him to determine what he accepts not you, not Norine , or any human scientist Or theorist, scholars.They live and die not superior.
K&T: U DON'T "BELIEVE" in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT either! Once HE enters one, we speak for HIM via "Revelation!" It then becomes JESUS' POWER in us not "norine" or anyone who have been filled with the HOLY SPIRIT! READ Acts 1:2 "AFTER JESU
Norine the holy spirit is God's active force and power ! It is a gift and he distributes it as he pleases. People can also lose it from bad conduct 1Th 5:19 Do not put out the fire of the spirit. 1Th 5:22Abstain from every form of wickedness.
K&T: The "man" who wrote your "bible" chg'd wording! I Thess 5:19 "QUENCH" not the Holy Spirit!" Once one recv's, can stifle but HE "never leaves or forsakes" (Deut 31:6)! "Gifts (HS 2) r w/o repentance" (Rm 11:29)! Don't ALLOW HIM "WORK"="QUENCH
GOD'S "Name" was "called" MANY for HE is "I AM" (aka Jehovah;+++) but Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME of "JESUS" (not Jehovah, Father, Son, HS, GOD but "JESUS") EVERY knee should bow..." YOU TOO! U no man who created that FALSE DOCTRINE!
Norine at Exodus 3: 15 says this is my name forever , generations after generations. We are the 21 century generation. His name is Jehovah. Even though people tried to erase it they could not totally do it. Rev 19:3 Rev:19:4 Still says Jah!
Rev 1:8; 22:13 (JESUS SPEAKING) "I AM" Alpha & Omega..." We are in THIS dispensation & "JESUS" is "Gathering The Church" not HIS Adverbs (Was,Is & Is to Come; Jehovah, or GOD; "I AM")! U see? HE chgs fm GLORY to GLORY & operating as
"Religion wants us to forget our connection to God and forge a bond with an institution." So true, I didn't actually read this response before. Its nice to know that less and less people are stuck in the quagmire. It is why I stay in places like this
RELIGION is Satan's Greatest Device to Lose Souls! Only a "FOOL" would be "RELIGIOUS" vs "SPIRITUAL!" HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) "guides" & HE wants us to TOTALLY "rely" on HIM so HE can "show out!" I LOVE HIM! New HUB GOD'S "LOVE" vs man's "love
Example. People file taxes every year some owe some pay back. The laws or rules change every year.and is put in books for public use Can you just ignore this because you dislike the buisness of taxes ? And say get rid of tax books ? No! Taxes stand
BOTH of your arguments are as wonky as ever because both rely on an ancient book - again, created by power-hungry killers to unite MASSES of unruly pagans. 'Spirit' needs no book and NEVER HAS, which is why religious texts R manmade for MAN 2 rule
U fail to realize "YOU" are "wonky" for not "TRUSTING GOD" vs self (Prov 3:5)! Why would you throw the "GIFT" from JESUS back in HIS Face? Do u think HE "LOVES" it? Do u REALLY "thk" HE'S w/u when u defy HIM?
I am not 'defying' him - at all. For you to keep insisting that I do is to insist that a 'regular person' such as PAUL - who wrote over HALF of the bible WITHOUT the benefit of gospels - can't know or speak on behalf of God. No BOOK of lies needed.
Norine Hebrew 13:8 is true ! He is the same .but you are still saying Is Jehovah. That should prove to you they are not. Because Jehovah says this is his name for generations. Ex 3:15. Says foreverThis is only posible if there are two beings not one
Mis: U don't blv The Prophets either who were "regular ppl?" GOD spoke thru them, u blv? K&T: Rev 1:8;17 CAN'T be DENIED! JESUS (SPIRIT) was there from BEGINNING! JEHOVAH is NAME forever as is "I AM" SAME MEANING-SAME SPIRIT!
Misfit why do you and most all humans have a birth certificate , because it is a record or document that you exist. How would you know anything about the subject unless it was documents. The bible is full of genealogy.history. It and purpose
Harmful Bible Lies: It is wrong to teach a child that there is a stern voyeur watching & judging their every word & action; & WRONG to teach them that they are inherently evil, unworthy sinners who DESERVE to be punished for merely being
Misfit who decides what is good and evil ? Who can you compare what is wrong and right? Or where do you get a comparisome of the right and wrong? You have decided the bible is bad by whos charges? How do you know pagan is bad? I would like to know
That word Wonky suits two people in this thread very well. One other word I find suitable is "Bonkers." Two people who claim to have some spiritually informed knowledge of an ancient book of questionable origin and authenticity. At it like cats.
Baby I RECOGNIZE GOD'S NAMES ("GLORIES") ARE "MANY" for HE is GOD (aka "I AM")!!! We NOW live under New Covenant in which HE (I Tim 3:16) DIED for us & wants recognition! For THAT reason Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME of JESUS every knee should bo
K&T "who decides what is good and evil? How do you know pagan is bad?" What part of the lies I listed did you miss? Pagan isn't bad - it just was not what Christ was here for. Pagan religions were already here. They COPIED rituals to unite them.
Huuum...except that,religion is not created to make us "forget our relationship with God" .Rather was originally meant to establish and maintain standard.But this could not be achieved on its own without the enabling power and wisdom of God
I love my church and I love getting the word from them. Religion like judging another person can be and is quite dangerous. The Pharisees were religious and Jesus said you have to be greater than them to get to Heaven. Ours is to be humble always.
Jesus also told Pharisees that the Kingdom of God was within them. The Kingdom of God is within YOU. The Kingdom of God is within YOU the same way - INSIDE of YOU. NEVER having needed to be saved - anymore than Jesus had to be.
K&T: Listen girl, I give WORD & bcuz not what u've been "taught" (kindness) doesn't make WORD untrue! CAT: The KoG IS within us IF we BELIEVE not in ALL just born again BELIEVERS who "exercise" FAITH or lies dormant!
The problem misfit with your statement is that would include know it all people in general rather they do not have to be christains to have a know it all attitude. Where do none christains get their knowledge from imperfect humans Right!
Informing misinformed peeps is not being a 'know-it-all' when you can prove several ways over that the 'salvation message' that keeps them spiritually imprisoned is a lie imposed on us ALL thru them - whether WE actually 'believe' or not.
You are close to a real truth Charlie. The reason why God gave us the Old and New Testaments was because He wanted us to have communion with Him. That is not possible without taking care of the sin/guilt problem that we have. A proper sermon will show you who God is. But no man can see God in truth without seeing our shortcomings. That is the power of real Christianity, God gives us the power/grace to do His will. He washed away the guilt & shame of the past by the blood of Jesus. There are churches that are not good or serving God. But those who will not listen to the call of God, will always walk away thinking that the preacher is just trying to make them feel guilty. Maybe you have had an experience with a church that was not really living by God's wisdom. Maybe you have felt guilty because you are still holding out and will not surrender your life to God. The greatest sin that afflicts us all is to live for self interest or self image.
When 1 is "filled w/the Holy Spirit"(BORN AGAIN) his spirit is "perfect!" How else IF HIS SPIRIT "resides w/in us?" It is "renewing of the mind" w/WORD which brings our soul in line w/HELP fm the Holy Spirit! Rm 8:1 "There is NO CONDEMNATION "in CHR
What does this mean? John 3 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." THINK... There is NO SEPARATION between Christ's 'holy spirit' and the 'flesh of Christ'. Trinity is pagan
Yes, the bible claims that there is one spirit SEPARATE from us/God - that you believe in, wholeheartedly - as 'trinity' PAGAN style. God/Jesus/We are not - and have NEVER BEEN 'separate' from each other. We are ALL one, as single expressions of God.
If we are born again, we will never die as in the second death of Revelation in the Lake of Fire. But there still is temporal condemnation that we bring on ourselves that will result in loss of fellowship with God. 1Co 11:31
Rm 8:1 "LIED!" "NO CONDEMNATION" if "IN" CHRIST JESUS! U can condemn yourself if u like, but I BELIEVE WORD! Condemned how? Sin? HE "remembers no more!"Not a LICENSE to sin, bcuz IF Holy Spirit filled,HE "guides" w/no desire to sin but slips occur
Of course not all religions make you feel guilty, mostly just Judaism and its main offshoots: Christianity and Islam.
And yes, the guilt is a mind trap designed to keep you believing, because Christianity is about salvation from sin. A sin we didn't have anything to do with; original sin.
But these religions also exist to validate morals. A law given by a human, even a tyrant, doesn't carry as much weight as one given by a god who can not just kill you but mess with you for eternity. You need to save yourself from it by doing what it tells you.
Of course it tells you nothing personally, but they say its all in a book so you have no excuse.
It's a mind trap, a meme, a virus, and carriers feel they have to pass it on. It's in the book.
IT sure doesn't "tell you nothing personally" when you don't have CHRIST "residing in you!" Those w/o see CHRIST as "a mind trap, a meme, a virus, & "thk" carriers feel they have to pass it on" because "it's in the book!"
Norine, why are the PAGAN rituals of trinity, baptism and resurrection / salvation in the bible IF it was 'inspired' by God? Do men not have brains? What would God who supposedly sent Jesus so that we would not need pagan rituals - need them for?
HE DOESN'T (Eph 2:8-9)! HE'S DONE IT ALL (Hebrews 7,8,9)! "Brains" MORE than Holy Spirit "revelation?" You MUST "give Scripture" where no "water" baptism vs I Peter 3:21; & Acts. Also give Scripture of no "resurrection/salvation!"
Lk 17, Jesus to PHARISEES: "...the kingdom of God is within you." Jn 3: The wind bloweth where it listeth... So it is everyone born of the Spirit." & "the Son of man which IS IN heaven" - no separation PRE-resurrection. We are 'just like him'.
"AND SO IT IS WITH EVERY MAN (DID YOU "SEE" THIS PART?) "BORN OF THE SPIRIT" Every man has "a spirit" but not "born of "THE SPIRIT!" Did u "interpret" that to mean all born (physically) are "born of "THE SPIRIT?"
Like I said earlier... you DID NOT read my article. I talk about that part, too. You know damn well that I cannot cut & paste everything in here. LOOK, READ, LEARN... RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. Quit believing force-fed pagan lies, Norine.
Slarty: U're "almost" right! GOD created "good & evil" & when evil overtakes one, GOD allows us to get "drunk" w/IGNORANCE! It's called a "reprobate mind" (Rm 1:28) which causes "delusions" of rt is wrong & wrong is rt!
Depending what the end result is! GOD uses evil as well as good to accomplish HIS WILL! HE IS GOD! If u created a robot & it developed a "mind of his own," which was against ur will, what would u do? Something evil (or so it thks) to bring in l
Evil is God’s enemy ! He does not create evil. No more then to say you raise a child to do good but he decides to take his free will and become a thief. So you created a evil child in raising him or her ? No that child did what he desired and want.
Is 45:7 "I form the light,& create darkness,I make peace,& CREATE EVIL..." See how LITTLE they have TAUGHT u? U need 2 STUDY vs RUNNING BEHIND ME "trying" to discredit! U R A "FOOL" "if" u "thk" u can BEAT a "SERVANT" OF GOD! Is 45:9 "Woe..
James 1:13 -14 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. Deut 30:19 That scriptures simply means it's up to you to chose life. Evil is yours by choice
Religion is the last remaining justification for bigotry, misogyny, racism. They misinterpret the 1st Amendment to mean their discrimination is excused by a book written by MASSE killers & murderers (of course, those were all justified & nece
misfit you just told Norine the truth .but you do not follow your own words. Just because you say it does not make it so. Why does this not apply to you. My right of free worship and speech is not your right to decide But you do. Do for yourself
Repeat for you K&T: I have the right to point out how dangerous & divisive your lack of knowledge, logic and common sense IS, has been and continues to be on our world. Really Norine? You need PROOF? You only read BOOK, ignore your fanatical
Misfit there goes that militant action you have going on in your own mind. Who told me what ! The only person right now is causing a war about religion is YOU !But for the peace I will not continue commenting to you because you are one way demand
You know, I can live with 'militant': noun: a militant person. activist, extremist, radical, young turk, zealot - guess what? I'm not even SORT of the only one who will no longer tolerate ignorance that perpetuates & condones child abuse and lyin
I HATE "LYING" TOO CAT! GOD looks @ my heart & SEES my FAITH in HIM (Not in Book) that HE will "REVEAL" & guess what, HE WILL! I BELIEVE IN HIS POWER, not what "man" says in a Book! Based on my FAITH, HE WILL "REVEAL" - LIES!
K&T: JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) "kept" the disciples fm doing wrong (Jn17:12) but ALLOWED Judas to be "unkept" (Jn13:27)! GOD ALLOWS BOTH "GOOD" & "EVIL" to accomplish HIS WILL! HE is "the same yesterday today & forever" (Heb 13:8)! Is 48:1
That is Jehovah could not be Jesus if he said this first. You have allowed the KJV bible to confuse you with LORD and Lord. One is Jehovah the other is Jesus su Until you study more translations then KJV you will continue being mislead and mislead
You both need to straighten out your stories -the Torah is just as manipulative as The Bible is, no matter what translation you read them from. The Jews invented guilt, didn't they? LoL! Look into Kabbalah, K&T - you'll be a little close
If it makes you feel guilty then apparently you are and that is the Holy Spirit convicting you, which is what He does to prove how much you need Jesus as your Savior. He does not persist so I hope you won't miss your chance. Men are not God and yes there are churches after members for more money than for more souls it seems and they will account to God for that. It is our responsibility to study the word and to know it to our own satisfaction where we could converse with anyone and not take their word above God's. It is not easy finding a church out there sometimes just as you like but God says where there are two or more in My name there I am also, so you could have your own studies with the wife, girlfriend, friends, just whoever. The Church is the bride of Christ not a building. To be called and gathered by Jesus when He returns. From everywhere. Your name does not have to be on a roll somewhere. God has the list, He will forget none of His own bought and paid for by His Son. The time in my marriage that my husband and I did bible study together were the very best years of my life much less marriage. You cannot study one thing, it always spills you over into so much more and there was never a better solvable mystery you could find and your days are filled with what you want to find tonight. It really is amazing.
"It is our responsibility to study the word and to know it" Funny how much studying is needed now to 'get things right' about God; when most people could not read for themselves when this religions was founded - yet another good reason to question...
You may want to take a good look at it while there is still time. Nothing in the world going on right now is a shock to a well studied Christian. We know what it is all about and we are ready for it. Or as much as we will be required to see of it.
I know, I don't do this either - but it would help if people read other people's responses b4 answering this question; because I keep repeating myself, ha! 15K word hub that debunks salvation - and the rapture, among other things. 21 Century - NEAT!
Either one believes the bible or they don't & there is no proving it is wrong but proves very much with proven prophesy that it is very accurate & predicting some very bad things for those who will not believe & get on board but your choi
Except that it HAS been proven to be a manipulative psychological tool to unite pagan masses of the day to rule over, easier. Being able to read & write in addition to RESEARCH on the origins works! pagan baptism, pagan trinity, pagan resurrectio
Proof isn't an opinion. Being too afraid to research your religion in this day and age is almost inexcusable. The majority of religious folks are following the whims of killers and murders - ignorance is bliss, and the whole wide world pays for it.
Cat IF u don't let go of "REBELLION" u're LOST! GOD TOLD U to "TRUST in the LORD & LEAN"NOT" to "YOUR OWN" understanding!" U work for SATAN "RESEARCHING!" What does it do but deter u fm the things GOD has in store for u? What has "unbelief" done
John 3 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Truth / Lie?
The only reason you would feel guilt is if you felt convicted and wanted to change. The more you partcipate, grow and learn, the more you want to be present and give of your time and talents and support the work of the church. It is in part a social gathering and a club if you will and needs financial and moral support to provide more services. You do not have to give more than you feel led to give and you don't have to agree 100 percent but you have to desire to understand and share a love for the truth even if it hurts or makes you feel uncomfortable.
Christianity imposes a HUGE inferiority complex that harms. What ABOUT all those pagan religions that were practiced; and all those pagan rituals that have been inserted - including baptism, trinity and the resurrection part of the salvation message?
There is no hell, Norine - hell is what you create it to be in your mind. THAT is the MAIN 'bad thing' about Christianity. We create hell - and can even take it with us for a while into death while our 'beliefs' linger until we realize they are bogus
Misfit speaks truth again there is no hell if you are versed in Hebrew and Greek. The word is not used. In old English of 1600's KJ uses it as his bias opion as episcopal religion. Helling potatoes is to cover over or put in a cellor or cave.
It is NOT our "mind" that's going to be "eternally tortured," but our "spirits!" The "mind" can be "renewed" so that our "spirit" will not suffer "eternal damnation" in HELL! If u blv no Hell, then no heaven? WORD?There r opposites "good & evi
Do you believe in free will, Norine? If *I* were God, I would want people to WILLINGLY follow me. Killers & Murderers have forced peeps to believe God 'allows you to choose' between eternal peace or torment. Its coersion. 'Good' is our NATURAL ST
And they do "willingly" follow HIM! No one BUT GOD can enlighten! HE doesn't MAKE US, we open our hearts r BELIEVE, yet we can "deny" HIM & "choose" to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD! U're doing Holy Spirit's job "revealing" via "RESEARCH!"
"Norine: to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD"... This is why Christians are in so damn much spiritual bondage; AND it is why it harms the rest of the world because they impose IGNORANCE onto us. God speaks all the time and cannot be contained.
Well if u KNOW GOD SPEAKS ALL THE X & can't be contained, why don't u believe HE will "reveal?" Why do u even blv there is a GOD if u don't blv in HIS POWER? HE SAID HE WOULD "REVEAL!" Why do u call HIM a LIAR?
I don't call God a liar. I call the book that men wrote to enslave people easier, a lie. Many do for very good reasons - research. I have never said God is not powerful; nor that he does not reveal - he has revealed the pagan lies about Jesus to many
FIRST if u BLV "ALL" have the KoG, u r mistaken! ONLY BELIEVERS! Unbelievers' lie dormant! SECOND I KNOW I can't do a BETTER JOB of ANYTHING w/o Holy Spirit (2Cor3:5)! Who am I w/o HIS POWER? As u, nothing running trying to figure HIM out!
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If religious folks kept their faith a personal matter - that would be an entirely different thing. If you don't feel guilty - good for you for having your own confidence and not letting the manipulative tactics of religion bring you down.
Catherine U & he speak for "SATAN!" Do things "my way?" Has GOD not SPOKEN? "BUT WHO CARES?" If u think "it's a personal thing," why do we need Bible that SAYS SAME THING TO ALL? YES, diff "levels of FAITH," which display "maturity" or "imma
Exactly, Experts, but the problem with a mainstay formal organized religion ( I think you know what I mean) they all have an agenda, ALL!!! and this means that it's some church member's business to make you their business, appointed to do so or not..
Charlie your statement true and false most. But there exist the ginuine that does not .it's free to learn the truth. I never paid to get and never charged anyone to share it. Jesus never did but fed multitudes and healed people as he went traveling.
Charlie, YOU ARE RIGHT! ALL RELIGIONS have "an agenda!" Satan designed so what else? Disciples of Christ have NO AGENDA but to "save" souls! It's a "SPIRITUAL" journey wherein we show "revelation" fm HS in HIS WORD for "reconciliation" to HIM!
There is a spirituality based on lies that puts people in BONDAGE: "the rest whom we judge demented & insane shall be smitten; first by divine justice then by the justice of our own initiative." The TRUTH in Christianity is beyond tainted to cont
CAT: When one speak as you, they don't "BELIEVE" in the "POWER" of the HOLY SPIRIT! "IF" u did, u wouldn't WORRY what is right or wrong in Bible or anywhere else for HE "reveals" "ALL TRUTH!" You continue to show: YOU DON'T BELIEVE HE CAN DO IT!
The entire world is butt hurt over it; and everyone continues to suffer JUST because know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about their religion and the things that would be too painful for them to discover - much less, admit.
Cat, I AGREE "Religion" is "butt hurting," but not the HOLY SPIRIT! There is a difference! The Bible is our "BASELINE!" The HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides us into ALL TRUTH!" NOT "RESEARCH" but the HOLY SPIRIT! Can u find MORE TRUTH than HIM?
I can find more truth that YOU, LoL! The HS does not need a book and never has - I keep telling you that, Norine. WHY do you insist on trusting in a book collected & TAMPERED with by violent murderers who re-wrote history to control you and every
Not true - 'trinity', 'baptism' & 'resurrection' R pagan origins. Jesus message was different and FAR more dangerous to politicians. Are you SURE it was that he was going to become yet another 'die for you' 'only son of god' savior of the world?
CAT: Did I not say "The Book" is our Baseline? GOD KNEW what man would do & does have a "sense of humor!" For "disobedient ppl" who "draws back" doing RESEARCH & for "unbelievers" HE told ALL to "WAIT" for HELP but u chose to "try" to outdo
No, I chose to use the brain that God put in my head. He told us to wait for what? SPIRIT, right? Did you not already receive that - even if you don't believe everyone already has that? 'Just believing' in something so harmful deserves research.
There is nothing you claim to know or find changes my relationship with my creator. I don't worship man .but my God. Religion yes has faults and problems as you call juicy. Wrong focus I live for God my heavenly Father. Not for religion.
I love my creator and YOU don't Blah blah blah condoner blah blah enabler blah blah blah feel free to kill your kid, Norine blah blah blah lies are no big deal blah blah blah research is of the devil blah so are hotdogs blah blah world harm is cool.
Why do u set your mind on "worldly" things (RESEARCH) when Holy Spirit "reveals" ALL is my question? Don't you believe HE has MORE POWER to "reveal" LIES? When u "RESEARCH" you "DOUBT" HIS POWER! We MUST "RELY ON HIM" - "TOTALLY!"
A religion or church needs it's members to behave in similar fashion or it risks losing the glue that keeps it together. Faith, scripture, facts, history and traditional thinking all come from things external to the religion itself.
Michael speaks truth . But the basics truths been lost. The real meaning of worship had become comercial.And a power over humans that should not be. They have lost the Creator ! The Heavenly Father . MATT 7:21" WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS" TheyAssumed
Uh huh... You and Norine and a select few others have 'the real truth' all sorted out. Its really too bad that those of you who are so enlightened can't convince your misinformed fellows to believe what you have discovered about your religions.
LISTEN CAT! I have NO "Religion!" I ONLY "rely" on the HOLY SPIRIT which is NOT a "Religion!" I NEVER claimed to "know it all!" REPEAT: 2 Cor 3:5 "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to thk ANYTHING of ourselves;BUT our sufficiency is of GOD"
No, but you know the imperative, MOST IMPORTANT things - don't you? You already admitted that you would KILL your gay kid based on that BOOK. You probably would have also taught what an unworthy, inferior SINNER he is since birth bcuz of PAGAN LIES.
"KILL" (demonic) spirit, not flesh for I've heard how they have sex! Do u want ur male child "ruptured?" GET REAL! Even n flesh that's IGNORANT! Not only a SINNER, but now faces Aids & possibly "surgery" & not bcuz of PAGAN LIES but REALITY
I think the religion gives the code of life - two directions, liked and disliked by the Lord. It does not make you feel guilty but gives a sense and promice of reward if one follow the liked direction - and a sense of accountability if disliked path is adopted with an option of rectifying oneself in his life with open offer of pardon by the Lord-- but the ultimate goal is to lead a purposeful life - a life in which you take care of others rights - and practice the commands of the Lord -- and abstain from following the path of the Evil.
Any religion that says you need to be 'put right' or 'forgiven' by God is manipulative. We are born as PERFECT as Jesus was. EVERYTHING he taugh was 'I am a spiritual being and so are YOU'. People teach you that you are an unworthy, lowly sinner.
Again, Norine: BOOK BOOK BOOK BOOK BOOK man-written (or CHANNELED) book book not-'God' BOOK via evil rulers to unite pagans BOOK book book pagan baptism, pagan trinity, pagan resurrection BOOK book book PROVEN LIES book RESEARCH what really happened?
Why do you keep insisting that the Holy Spirit has not revealed these things to me and SO MANY others? I've told you before - you DO NOT come from a rigid place of beliefs like your's to the ones I currently have without HELP from Spirit. Impossible.
Why did HS LIE? HE SAID HE was the HELP! HE SAID "TRUST HIM & DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!" HE SAID "CAST UR CARES ON HIM!" HE SAID "BECOME AS A LIL CHILD!" HE SAID WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE!" DOES HS CONTRADICT ALL THAT OR DID "UNINSPIRED
Theodosius II: We command that those who follow this rule shall be Catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom we have adjudged demented and insane… shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of our own initiative.
Guilt is much like pain. It is meant to tell us that there is a problem like pain alerts us to injury. Guilt happens when God give us the power to do right, but we do not. If we would do right as He empowers us, we would have joy
Listen Bapt! IF we KNOW WORD, Holy Spirit "convicts" (brings "sinful" thgs 2 our remembrance"), we "repent" & r "forgiven!" Our sins r as far as the east is fm the west!" Under New Covenant HE "remembers our sins no more!" Look @ "GRACE" in actio
Also Norrine Again King James uses evil . You need to use another bible or ref before King James of England His choice of words is misleading.And you are helping him . God is not Evil satan is.It's wrong to attribute evil to him in actions.
Because you have been told that there is 'evil' and 'Satan' exists: NONE of you have to take ANY responsibility for yourself. According to BP, you are not even responsible for your own power. You believed you are evil & DOOMED without Christ. Lie
By ur analogy, we r all "IN CHRIST" (if 1) & all good, which makes the entire Bible a LIE? Adam sinned, GOD looked for someone to bring us back to HIM, couldn't find, came HIMSELF, DIED, sent HELP & we're to follow disciples is all a LIE? Exp
Organized religion can be just that name. But far from what it is meant to be. Like if you were to say dont you think that organized marriage is built on a foundation of making you feel guilty.
Then you would say it depends on the people involved in the marriage. What kind of people are they. What are their principles and goals in life. This is about a relationship. The problem here is that people have taken the relationship out of religion and all you have is the shell or name. Many people do not know their Heavenly Father's name. And many do not want to take time to know but they will take another humans oppinion which could be bad advice. It is better for you to learn the truth for yourself .and if they have it wrong you can help them.
I want to say your list is very valid Yes religion has become a tool to rob people.First does God recieve this money no! He made the gold and silver So we have to not let people behind the name decieve you. God gives the truth free. Man charges
What does "JEHOVAH" mean? "I AM" which is not a noun(name) but an adverb (can "DO ALL")! Why don't u live under NEW COVENANT which JESUS died for? Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME OF JESUS (Not JEHOVAH) every knee shall bow!"
Norine if you were a Jew and if you had the orignal scrolls not King James of 1600's you would read Jehovah's name YHWH over 7000 times. Yet even KingJames left the name 4 times.Why? to be ignored , no. Jehovah sent Jesus. this is the son of Jehovah
We know how butchered the NT is, lets talk about the OT now - and how it is platarazied almost most word for word in places of the Egyptian book of the dead. Jesus was Horus recreated to put people in another round of spiritual imprisonment.
JESUS is GOD="ONE "SPIRIT!" HE "tried" to relate to man via "Allegory!" Not 2 or 3 separate entities! Now Cat says JESUS is "Horus" but Holy Spirit says "ONE SPIRIT" in diff "GLORIES!" As we chg fm glory to glory II Cor 3:18 as Christ I Cor12:12
Misfit you speak truth but you also throw everthing out including the truth. True what people have done to mix paganism with the truth, But before that happen real copies were persevered.So we still have the truth intack from scrolls ,relics .papas
K&T: Look how u "contradict" urself! She speaks "truth" but throws "truth" out? I guess u've been "taught" Holy Spirit was in ancient days too? U guys sure talk like HE has NO "POWER" (Acts 1:8) to "reveal" (2 Cor 2:10) ALL TRUTH (Jn 14:26;16:13