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  1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
    Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years ago

    Does anyone else feel that organized religion is built on a foundation of making you feel guilty?

    I feel that in order for an organized religion to run successfully it must be predicated on the fact that you must feel guilty on a number of levels. Guilty if you:
    1. Aren't coming to church.
    2. Don't tithe.
    3. Don't do everything your minister tells you to do.
    4. You are a sinner if you differ on one thought from what you are told the scriptures mean.
    Everything is done to make you feel good about serving "the Lord" i.e. "the church."
    Big difference between having faith and religion

  2. RTalloni profile image91
    RTalloniposted 2 years ago

    Problems with organized religion are described from the earliest Bible history.  That is why all of Scripture points us to the Christ, taking the human race from a self-dependent perspective to a relationship with God through His Son.  Prayerfully reading the book of Mark is a good starting place for anyone who wants to understand what faith is and what our response to it means.  John 10:10 sums it up well.  Abundant life is what Jesus offers, but that is neither a life of selfishness or of blind following.

    1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Blind obedience to church leaders using God's word to hide their own agenda is problematic. The Bible is the word of God so much as it has been interpreted correctly. The phrase, "Obey your leaders and submit to them," allows much leeway for abuse.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      O ye of little "FAITH!"  Why is it that MOST don't believe the Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) can do as HE SAID? HE "leads & guides" or do u thk those r just words? HE gives Spirit of discernment, guides into ALL truth! Why don't you BELIEVE?

    3. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in God, just not man. I have been around too many "Men of God" and have seen the evil that men do.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If "man" shows with the Word of God, It is not "man" speaking, BUT GOD!  It is your responsibility (with the HELP of the Holy Spirit) to "Search the Scriptures to see if those things are so" (Acts 17:11)!
      If Holy Spirit filled, one has discernment!

    5. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus preached that the Kingdom of God was WITHIN - a very self-dependent perspective. It is Christianity that hijacked his message, then INTENTIONALLY twisted it to put people into bondage so that they would be easier to rule. The bible is pagan.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Then provide a book w/as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible, if "pagan!" The Kingdom of GOD is "POWER" (ICor4:20)! What is POWER (Acts 1:8)! Therefore, IT is "in u" IF u've been filled w/HIS POWER! But can't enter if no BELIEF

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct, Norine - the Kingdom of God is within and it is POWERFUL. It already exists in ALL without condition, JUST as Christ told people it did. Since the bible was seriously plagarized - maybe ALL previous pagan book prophecies were stolen!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But MOST let lie "dormant" as u "researching" LIES when HS "leads & guides!" WASTE!  YES, all RELIGION "stolen" fm WORD but if NOT WRITTEN=LIE!
      Ex: Hindu worshiped pagan gods until Bible then "stolen" yet still have "Geeta" (Exd 20:3) as others!

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If bitten by venom of insect or snake.
      But the point is do you remeber the pain in the shot or do you remember how your life was saved.
      Yes religion has been contaminated
      But a life saving message is still intact.
      We all welcomed to recieve it .

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Yes religion has been contaminated But a life saving message is still intact.We all r welcomed to receive it" w/Holy Spirit "guidance!"  To this WORD agrees!  However, we MUST "STUDY" for ourselves & not just AMEN everything someone tells u!

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If we MUST study that book to be smart enough to stay saved - WHAT DID CHRISTIANS DO HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE IT EXISTED? Most didn't read. For hundreds of years, the HS did not need a book - no study needed. WHY does it contain MUCH pagan plagarism?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "FAITH" as is TODAY! Plagarism in Book so there are NO HYPOCRITES to PROVE we MUST do as HE commanded "WAIT" for "HELP" to "weed out" plagarism!  What I've been telling u all alone!  HOLY SPIRIT "weeds out," NOT YOU!
      It's called "discernment" (Rev)

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Jesus hebrew name is not showing in the verse. But Jehovah is. The  point the original Hebrew writings are more accurate then KJ translations. But also the later Jews removed Jehovah name because of superstition and killing his son.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GOD (aka JESUS) has MANY "Names" that are "Forever" (Is 9:6)! BUT after HE DIED (I Tim 3:16) & in the PRESENT dispensation (Gathering "THE  CHURCH"), HE wants "RECOGNITION" (Phil 2:10)! 
      HE IS THE "SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12)!

  3. glynch1 profile image68
    glynch1posted 2 years ago

    Is Scripture your authority? Scripture says that believers should not forsake the assembling of themselves together (Hebrews 10:25); Scripture (in my view) speaks of grace giving for the NT believer, not tithing (2 Cor. 8-9); Scripture instructs the "laity" to "obey your leaders, and submit to them" (Heb. 13:17). If you are not obeying the Scriptures in these and other matters, you are in disobedience and are guilty. The guilt feelings come as a result of your sin. Solution: Repent, and ask for forgiveness and for grace to grow in obedience.

    If a pastor is putting you down (or condemning you) for differing from his interpretation, he is not doing his job. The shepherd's work is to be kind and gracious toward the sheep when he is teaching them, not lord it over them (1 Peter 5:2-3).
    Your next-to-last statement is not clear to me, so I cannot comment on it.

    1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pastors or church leaders put their own spin the scriptures. Oft times obeying your leaders and submitting to them is not the same as following the scriptures, but following what has been used for their own indoctrination. Warren Jeffs comes to mind.

    2. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I would agree with your first statement. Many "pastors" are not spiritually qualified to lead God's people, because they operate according to their own agenda, not according to Scripture. Obviously, the people should obey leaders who adhere to truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen Glynch!  And ONLY Holy Spirit guidance can lead one into THE TRUTH!  Why I keep telling ALL to "GO BACK" (Is 28:13) & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for "HELP" (Jn 14:26;16:13)! HS isn't just a "feeling" but PROOF of correct leadership & doesn't cont

    4. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I believe Jesus gave the commands that you cite specifically to the apostles; He did not mean them to be used as "blanket statements" addressed to all Church-age believers. The HS helps us understand Scripture, but not in the same way. Read context.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You poor stiff!  "Dry bones" (Ezk 37:1-14)!
      JESUS CHRIST is the "SAME" yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8) or did HE LIE?
      If you believe that, what Holy Spirit?

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Guilt is the result of not doing what the bible says - condemnation is a major motivator for bringing lost souls into organized religions; when it is the religions that defines the 'sin' in the first place. God doesn't need a book to speak to anyone.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Keep going AGAINST the WORD of GOD & "the monster" will continue to grow!  GOD SAID HE would give one such as u up to a "probate mind" (Rm 1:28)!  You're treading on "thin ice" w/that smarter than GOD attitude & not becoming as a little child

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, I (collectively with others) have actually used the bible to debunk salvation. That was NOT Jesus original message NOR was it why he came - his death comes at the END. It is the part that religion wants you to focus on, though - again, WHY?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      THE SPIRIT of GOD (aka JESUS) "NEVER DIES!"  There is ONE SPIRIT that reconciles to GOD when JESUS finishes "Gathering the Church!" Thk as GOD as SMOKE & the Portion that came in flesh knows how we feel in order to "judge" Justly! No "trinity!"

    10. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really misfit I am not you and I will not think like you. I am not Norine and I will not think like Norine.
      That includes gmwilliams lol!
      So you call it what you like or use any name you fill free to say.
      It don't change my position or thoughts.

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Of course you won't - because you believe lies & they told you not to question them. That is normal. Another NEWSFLASH: I don't carry on with either you or Norine to change your minds: other people are watching, each making choices - I've been th

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LISTEN CAT: The Holy Spirit revealed to me that Moses was the Messenger of the OC (LAW) whereas Paul was the Messenger of the NC (GRACE) which is NOT IN "THE BOOK!" It is as HE SAID "put laws in our hearts & minds!" So why do u say I BELIEVE BOOK

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit you are missing the understanding
      I am not Norine, not you, not interested in worship of religion.
      Religion will be accounted for its errors in misleading humans.
      That war is not proving who is wrong or right in of any belief . What it

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Its a WAR over people's MINDS. Christianity teaches KIDS that they are inferior, unworthy sinners who need to rely on a god to 'save' them from an eternal, evil fate that DOES NOT EXIST. Imagine if everyone felt about themselves like The Donald does!

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit as equal humans you did what it took to come to the answers you are satisfied with.
      Others have the same right .
      or else you would be a dictator saying no one has the right but your choice
      Wrong we are responsible for our own choices.

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your common problem is: people are frustrated with Christians not educating themselves to what has been proven over & over again to be manipulative lies to rule ancient pagan masses as HARMFUL for the entire world for the reason I just stated, ab

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NOPE! The world's problem is RELIGION! They have not "taught" BELIEVERS how to rely on HOLY SPIRIT, how to "initiate" HIS POWER, how to "rightly divide HIS WORD," how to become MORE than POWERLESS "church" attendees!

    18. lolsall profile image60
      lolsallposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      العاب 250

    19. MovieMatt profile image44
      MovieMattposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The real problem is false religion. People mixing truth with philosophies of men, and creating their own church/religion with no authority, instead of following Christ's church.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DON'T Y'ALL LISTEN?  YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO "DETECT" WHAT IS RIGHT & WRONG IN BIBLE "IF" U "SEEK THE HOLY SPIRIT" FOR "HIS HELP!"  HOLY SPIRIT IS "NOT" AS U'VE BEEN "TAUGHT!" HE IS UR "ONLY" LINE OF COMM W/HIM! HE "REVEALS" ALL! IF U DON'T KNOW NOT

    21. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine here you see Jesus is lower case.
      But he uses all capitals LORD for YHWH meaning Jehovah.
      This is a critical and damaging decision KJ makes over 7000 times.
      Not good!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Have u forgotten I Tim 3:16? GOD (who HE IS) came into world with "NAME" JESUS, DIED & wants RECOGNITION (Phil2:10)!  HE is LORD of Lords but JEHOVAH & GOD (Not 2;SAME SPIRIT) is WHAT HE IS "not" WHO HE IS!

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit if a lie has been told who is it against? What is the lie? That is harmful to children ?
      accountability has always existed. Even earthly would you tell a judge in court no one should respect you? You tell children lies? The book of law is bad

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U continue to operate under ur MO - "RUN!" JESUS is GOD & u DON'T CARE "What" IS WRITTEN! They've "brainwashed" u!  Can't u read?  Ex:Jn14:26 "Father will send;" Jn 16:7 "I will send" confirms I Cor 12:11 SAME "SELFSAME SPIRIT" but WHO C

    25. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine calling people "peanut brain," and "poor stiff. Dry Bones."  What a beautiful example of a person filled with the spirit!   Must be some kind of alcoholic spirit..... certainly not a loving person trying to help and nurture love.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Any "FOOL" Knows that in comparison to GOD'S brain, man's brain is a "peanut" (or less)!  A "stiff" which has "dry bones" (mentioned in WORD) in Ezekiel 37:1-14 are DEAD but will live AFTER Holy Spirit filled!
      Nothing against WORD, unless NO life!

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you use the word Hallelujah!
      And your pride will not even admit the truth of what you validate.
      And now you want to change the subject .
      You words prove rather you are competent.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Only "YOU" chg subject when u jump under unrelated comment section! 
      Pride has NOTHING to do w/IT!  WORD SAYS "ONE SPIRIT" Whose NAME ("JESUS") we will ALL bow to!
      I can't help it, I didn't write IT BUT
      "IT IS WRITTEN!"

    29. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine when I see your name I do not even bother to read your post , You are wasting space and time commenting to me.  I just want you to know dont waist your precious time and energy on me replying.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And so does Satan HATE the WORD of GOD!
      I Cor 10:21!
      Who do you serve?

    31. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh Nrne, u cntnu 2 spt sch bllcrp.  Whn wll u gv uz snsble dscsn?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DEATH is INEVITABLE! 
      What "seems" senseless now, will be sensible then!

    33. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Goodbye Norine

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "And HIS HAND is STILL stretched out" (Isaiah)!
      HE "LOVES" you (aka Prodigal son), and so do I!

  4. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 2 years ago

    Memes spread because they give people reasons to believe them and spread them.
    Memes that make you feel good (heaven, resurrection, community) and memes that scare you if you disobey (hell, bad karma) become stronger if united.
    And that's why you have both heaven for believers with more rewards for those who convert others and hell for those who don't believe.

    1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara, I like the way you put it. I guess we all want to believe in something, even Atheism is a belief. Unfortunately, foundations of guilt can come from people of other faiths who try to make us feel guilty. so it can come from within  & witho

    2. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A meme doesn't have to be a religion to guilt trip; Social Justice is a Cult Edition! Sargon of Akkad
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0oKIMlHyI

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie: If one "feels guilty," they should WORRY! 
      "A double minded person is unstable in all his ways" (READ Jm 1:5-8)!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Believing in something is not the problem - it is believing in erroneous things. For instance, there is no 'heaven' or 'hell' - there is just a 'spiritual playground' beyond this life that is neither good nor bad; and earth is a part of it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You need to provide that book, then we can talk!  Either you believe ALL or NOTHING!  So far, you've evidenced NOTHING!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't have a book, I have several that I have referenced in my almost 15K word hub about this topic. Read it if you want the more probable truth about the manipulative salvation message of Christ. He was likely killed for his 'real' message.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      THE "REAL MESSAGE" is "GRACE" (Eph 2:8-9) but one MUST STUDY WORD to find out how to acquire or CONSEQUENCES (Lake of Fire aka HELL)!

    8. Sgt Prepper profile image59
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Bottom line question is: Where will you spend eternity? In Heaven with the virgin-born Son of God, Jesus the Christ OR in the lake of fire with the Kenyan-born son of a pornstar Obama the Antichrist.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I KNEW u were spaced out! 
      Don't worry about Obama!  Why waste your precious time!  If it's meant for him to hear TRUTH in WORD, he will!
      "Seek out your own salvation" (Phil 2:12)!
      Time is too precious to waste on "hating!"

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I hadn't read you comment Tamara, but you say in short what I said. Religion is a meme, a thought that wants to survive and spread and uses the best memes to do so. Guilt, fear,social bonding, rituals etc.
      Charlie Atheism is Not a believe.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U BELIEVE there is NO GOD, so what is it called?
      IMHO I find it "repulsive" when 1 who doesn't believe takes their VALUABLE time to speak on "Religious" Q'S - unless u have an ulterior motive (Jn 10:10)?

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine think before you write. A non religious person can and has the right to talk about religions. Just as a non musician can and has the right to talk about music.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But u have not "substance!" I can talk about music but can I play instrument r sing?  What do u bring to the table but justification for "unbelief" which can't be justified or someone would provide the book?

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Talking about the existence of a higher being is something everybody does on this planet. People have different points of view towards this topic. You don't have to agree with all opinions but that's what makes a discussion insightful.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      While we "Believe in GOD" & u "science" (man) is as mixing oil w/water! Not an "insightful discussion," but "opposite discussion!" Can't u see although they SAY they believe they "think" different highways to get to the CREATOR=AGAINST HIS WORD!

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I like your comment Peter ! So many times other people post a different view.  all are intitle to views
      God the Father does not sound an alarm and say 'Your Wrong' he could
      But humans want attention and use his authority to say they ar righteous

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      See K&T, u continue to speak AGAINST WORD! Why do you think GOD "inspired men" to write HIS WORD?  To tell us what was "right & wrong!"  Why would u say "GOD doesn't tell one they r right or wrong?"  That is a LIE from HELL!
      U say ANYTHING 2

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norinne I'm not interested in a yes/no discussion. that's boring. But themes like morals, rituals, structures of society, evolution, ethics, spirituality, art are open and interesting themes, related to religion and believing in a God yes or no.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why would a believer want to become involved in a discussion of evolution which is "nonsense" to me! By the same token, why would u want to become involved in a discussion about a GOD that doesn't exist (or so u believe)? U've heard believer's bfore

    20. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So what you saying all the lives that came to this earth before Jesus Abraham , Moses , King David ,Solomon, Job
      were lost based on they did not know Jesus.No
      They called on Jehovah who is eternal then he never dies
      Jesus died.
      Learn Hebrew.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Before JESUS" (Rev1:8;17-18)? JESUS isn't DEAD; HE gave up the "flesh" & went back to HIMSELF (SPIRIT)! HE created HIMSELF (I Tim 3:16) & went back to THAT SAME SPIRIT! GOD is JESUS!
      U "LEARN:" NWT deleted Some to align w/belief as did Cath

    22. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No one can be saved correctly unless we learn Hebrew? That is odd since the majority of HUNDREDS of gospels written in Hebrew were destroyed by the church in order to silence the concept of 'trinity' & 'holy spirit' that Norine is so fond of.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NO ONE can reconcile to GOD unless we have HOLY SPIRIT for "revelation" & to become like THAT SAME SPIRIT! The ONLY way to acquire "like HIM" is to receive & BELIEVE in HIS SPIRIT HE sent to HELP!
      ONE SPIRIT which is HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD/JES

    24. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus said: "When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      THANK GOD!  I "KNOW" & therefore "RICH!"  Hallelujah!  I praise HIM EVERYDAY for "revelation" in HIS WORD! 
      I'm "RICH!"
      THANK YOU JESUS!

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    Norine Williamsposted 2 years ago

    OK!  Here's the MOST "INSANE" response you will receive!  FIRST, seek a pastor who has "WAITED" for HELP from the HOLY SPIRIT!  Does he speak in tongues?  Does he baptize in the name JESUS CHRIST?  Does he live "AFTER THE CROSS?"  If not, RUN!!!

    If he has passed the "initial" test, he knows "There is therefore NO CONDEMNATION to those who are "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Romans 8:1)!  But one MUST be "IN CHRIST JESUS!"  Those who are, KNOW they are "righteous by FAITH" (Romans 3:22; 5:1) and don't "feel guilty" if we "fall short" rather "REPENT" and "our sins HE will remember no more" (Jeremiah 31:35; Hebrews 8:12; 10:17)! 

    If believers KNEW the above, they wouldn't mind "going to church," if believers KNEW GOD KNOWS what's in your pocket and if you didn't tithe from heart, they wouldn't only give 10% but more, if "given from the heart" (II Corinthians 9:7), Minister would preach according to WORD if he "WAITED" (Acts 1:4),  Minister would "PROVE" with WORD "HIS difference" rather than what "you or he thinks" by giving Scripture (II Timothy 2:15: I Peter 3:15)! 

    Yes ministers do teach to "itching ears" (II Timothy 4:3) to keep that money rolling in! 

    "Having faith?"  OH GOD!  Please "study" for yourself, "rightly dividing" HIS WORD (in chronological order) for TRUTH!  Not what religion has "taught," but what CHRIST DIED FOR!

    MOST believe CHRIST died for the remission of our sin, and HE DID, but without HIM sending the HOLY SPIRIT to HELP us (John 14:26; 16:13) discern good from evil, without HIM providing "GRACE" (Ephesians 2:8-9) for forgiveness, we would NEVER be able to find our way back to HIM! 

    RECONCILIATION (II Corinthians 5:11-21) is what we pray for but how can we be RECONCILED without TRUTH which ONLY comes from the HOLY SPIRIT?  Therefore, if one DID NOT "WAIT" they're blinded (II Corinthians 4:4) by "their understanding" (Proverbs 3:5)!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LORD have mercy on you Glynch stating that GOD'S "ONENESS" is a cult!
      FYI I'm not associated with ANY "man-made" RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION - ONLY "JESUS" (aka Father, Son, Holy Spirit & ALL OF HIS OTHER "GLORIES" Col 2:9)!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Think about it... WHERE does that put 'free will' if we are REQUIRED to believe anything? Free to choose between heaven or hell? What kind of choice is that? Its blatant coersion! I speak in tongues, STILL! And I've proven 'salvation' is a bogus lie.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Gifts" are w/o repentance" (Rm 11:29)! Ask Satan!  He "STILL" has power as proven by u & his band of demons!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nope. It may have been a band of demons who helped write the bible; then inspired power-hungry men to put it together in order to enslave people's souls. THINK, Norine - WHY do you trust that book so much? WHY do you FEAR not trusting in it? Research

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit, I've "tried" men, they LIE! As Jn said "Where else could I go" (Jn 6:68)? Even u said "neat!" I can't tell u ALL supernatural thgs happens to me!  Thank u LORD! Not bcuz of "FEAR," but ALL HIS PROMISES I've seen fulfilled! U can 2 IF u BLV!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MEN wrote that book; put it together; destroyed HUNDREDS of gospels that may very well have had the truth about Jesus in them, along with the people who held them. God does not need a book, he is SPIRIT. You KNOW this, sweetie... Listen.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Listen dear heart, WHO CARES WHAT "MAN" HAS "ADDED/DELETED?"
      IF U DO, U DON'T BELIEVE N THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO "LEADS & GUIDES INTO "ALL" TRUTH!
      R U A BELIEVER? THEN BELIEVE THAT!

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      Hxprofposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine, God assembled that book for us - and uses the Holy Spirit to bring the word to life for us. The insistence that uninspired men wrote the books in the bible (which testifies of Christ) is a lie from hell,  leading people away from Christ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine has lost "hope!" Rm 8:24 "For we r saved by "hope:" but hope THAT IS SEEN is NOT "hope:" for what a man seeth, why doth he yet "hope" for?"
      "O ye [Catherine] of little faith!" 40 Bks deleted fm Bible but Holy Spirit "WILL REVEAL" if BELIEVE

    10. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit what and who is this human Theodis ? Why is he note worthy ?

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You make absolutely no sense, Norine - you keep INSISTING that 'word' is 'spirit' and yet that The Bible is 'it'. If you cared about Jesus, you would care about how the truth has been manipulated around him to make wide populations easier to rule.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GOD has not ALLOWED MAN to delete BASELINE'S (Bible) basic moral of Story! Yes, there r "additions" & "deletions" BUT Holy Spirit MORE POWERFUL & will "reveal" ALL LIES! 

      Too bad u don't BELIEVE!

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I do believe, Norine - I just don't believe in the lies. God has not deleted the bible nor any of the plagarized stories and pagan concepts within it. He hasn't deleted Hitler's 'Mein Kampf', either. What REALLY happened to Jesus Christ? Research.

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well the most important thing is being able to sepetate truth from none truth.
      What is it misfit you think is pagan and a lie? True certain translated authors have made the bible say what they wish. But not all is tempered.
      The basic truth is there

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It sure as hell is... buried smack dab in the MIDDLE of the FAKE message of Christ. You know that I wrote that article - you refused to read it; and instead, responded as if you were SO SURE you knew how to debunk it. Actually read - maybe you can.

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Also there is no way a human can describe heavenly scenery .we only know earthly things. How does one know about Angels ?and many Heavenly subjects?
      The bible has the truth though tempered with different translations
      The truth stands in it.

    17. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm pretty sure that I just agreed with you about that: "It sure as hell is... buried smack dab in the MIDDLE of the FAKE message of Christ." Manipulative book of pagan rituals CHERISHED by pagans to UNITE mulitple pagans to rule over a VAST empire.

    18. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit the bible has some pagan terminology true of King James in words .the cross is pagan. Jesus died on a torture stake. Back in his day they impaled people one piece of wood called a stake like when you use a stake of wood for a tent.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IF U BELIEVE in HOLY SPIRIT "MORE" than "The Book," I'm IN AGREEMENT! Have I not CONTINUOUSLY SAID "Holy Spirit will "lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH?" I KNOW Holy Spirit has MORE POWER to "reveal" what "man" has "added/deleted!" We r saying SAME!

    20. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Manipulative book of pagan rituals CHERISHED by pagans to UNITE mulitple pagans to rule over a VAST empire." Research. You want to know the truth, I know you do. You and Norine both think you're done. I've been there. You're not done. More research.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm NOT "done!" I'm "righteous by FAITH" & "GROWING!  Sad!  You've been stifled by STAN believing your "RESEARCH" is MORE POWERFUL than HOLY SPIRIT!

  6. getitrite profile image78
    getitriteposted 2 years ago

    What about those people who no longer have any faith?  They are made to feel guilty, as well.  And fear tactics and discontent follows. So it is true that we are subjected to guilt even when it comes to faith.  Some refuse to allow themselves to be affected by ANY guilt or fear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They backslide because of "POWERLESS" RELIGION! Some "go to church" for 50yrs+ & still NOTHING! I'd lose "faith" too! RELIGION has not "taught" TRUTH!
      Jesus said "Greater thgs than these shall we do" (Jn 14:12) but don't know how-no one "taught"

    2. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God enables those with true saving faith to persevere in it until death. If people no longer have "faith," and they continue in that state of unbelief until death, they never had saving faith to begin with.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      One can be "sincere" in their belief but can also be "sincere" or have "faith" in the "wrong belief" which makes them "sincerely wrong!"  Having "faith" in a belief that is "sincerely wrong" does not produce manifestations from the Holy Spirit!

    4. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Another problem found! We not only have differing opinions on guilt but differing opinions on the God Head. Norine holds the common belief in the Holy Spirit, Christ, and God. Glyncch1 has the belief they are three individual entities. Who's wrong?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NO! GOD has SAID "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12) who operates in diff "GLORIES" (Is 6:3) @ SAME TIME "if" HE desires!  Eph 4:4-6!
      Col 2:9 "ALL THE FULLNESS!"
      "Is Christ divided" (ICor1:13)? 
      Gly rd "the ltr" & can't blv Heb 13:8=Holy Spirit WORKS!

    6. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie,
      I believe in the Trinity; God is not three "entities," but three Persons in one Being. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God incarnate, and the Holy Spirit is God. As is her wont, she quoted 1 Cor. 1:13 out of context.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is Christ divided is the question & is There! U can't take I Cor 12, Eph 4:4-6, Jn 1:14; 8:58; 10:30-33; 5:23; 14:9-11; 20:28; I Tim 3:16; Col 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb 1:8-9; 2Jn 1:7; Rev 1:8; 22:13 "out of context!"
      Explain!

    8. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      1 Corinthians 1:13--"Has Christ been divided?" is not referring to His divine person being divided. The context deals with people following other teachers and not Christ. Paul is saying that Christ was not given to any party as its separate share.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U know what Glynch? U need to explain I Cor 12:12 AFTER reading the entire Chapter! ONE BODY; ONE SPIRIT! Explain Eph 4:4-6! ONE LORD! Explain disciples "WITH "ONE" ACCORD?" Explain all those Scripture I gave u! Explain! Why do you MOCK the WORD?

    10. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you ever examine the tone of your messages? Does not seem to  originate from the Spirit. Ephesians 4:4-6 speaks of one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father. Reference to the Trinity! What point are U trying to make with "one" references? Me mock?

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Norine, you have to watch your tone, you might hurt glynch1 feelings. By the way glynch1 has a degree in theology so anything you have to say means nothing to him Norine. His  opinion is better because he has his theology degree.  Right glynch1

    12. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kingdom,
      I hear mockery in your voice as well. Let me ask you: is it godly to seek to belittle others with your words? Theological training is invaluable when seeking to interpret the Bible correctly. By so doing, I follow the historic faith.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Prob Glynch "historic faith" & not Holy Spirit! Trinity=3persons=prob! Ea x GOD spoke thru ANYTHING was "person!" Why LIMIT to3? HE'S not BIG enough-just3? ONE SPIRIT is EVERYTHING! You "MOCK!" Not w/"my words," but HIS-"REBUKE"(Lev19:17)

    14. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I see that I cannot reason with you, nor can I understand what you are trying to say without further and much clearer presentation skills. So, I will just leave this conversation. Oneness Pentecostalism is a cult, just so you know.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not "Oneness" RELIGION, but GOD IS ONE SPIRIT!
      The reason u can't "understand" is because "the god of this world (Satan) has blinded you" (Theology/Historic facts) II Cor 4:3-4!
      Good luck "dry bones" (Ezk 37:1-14)!
      I pray for "IGNORANCE!"

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Trinity is yet another pagan concept embedded in Christianity. Celsus (170 CE): In truth there is nothing at all unusual about what Christians believe, except that they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God". WAKE UP!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "The Trinity" is embedded in "RELIGION" not Christianity!  Christ Followers or Disciples of Christ KNOW there is ONE SPIRIT which manifests HIMSELF into different "GLORIES" as HE WILLS!  Look what RELIGION has done to u!

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Glnch1-  theological "training" is never guided by the Holy Spirit and therefore worthless. If you PAID money to be trained in theology then you can be sure the Holy Spirit had NOTHING to do with it. Then theology "training at best is garbage.

    19. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is the most understandable reply I've ever seen you make Norine - thank you! Enlighten me, what horrible thing has religion done to me aside from compel me to make people aware of their manipulated inferiority complexes that harm the wide world?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U forget? RELIGION is "Satan's Greatest Device to Lose Souls" (my HUB)?
      Man (aka RELIGION) has LIED so much, made u leave HS guidance to "research" how much he's LIED! 
      FOOL! He has u also! Proverbs 3:5!
      Who do u serve - "research?"

    21. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is really neat how you have a response to every hit, Norine - how convenient. Read my disertation on debunking the salvation message of Jesus and THEN tell me how wrong I am. Maybe YOU are the one who is wrong. In fact, you are wrong. smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NO! It's "really neat" how the HOLY SPIRIT "has a response!"  HE "bring thgs to my remembrance" (Jn 14:26)!
      How can HS be wrong when even u say "how neat?" Look what u're MISSING!

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Many people are under human bondage.they refuse to accept the truth left intact. So they say all is bad
      No .a diamond may be surrounded by other minerals but does that mean a diamond can not be salvage from it all ? No! You have to know what is pure

    24. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been where you are; and if you don't think I know 'what I'm missing' and the value of what I've discovered - you're silly. Of course you are bucking against the real truth cuz that is what that BOOK tells you to do. Spirit is intuitive to ALL.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Atheist too who don't blv there is a GOD?  They're "saved" also?

    26. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit also we are to Mt 22:37He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.
      Mt 22:39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’
      This covers .

    27. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nobody needs to be 'saved', Norine - you did NOT read my article. NEWSFLASH: We are all BORN naturally LOVING our creator, do NOT need to be told to be good, how to love OR who to love, etc. We're TAUGHT to HATE, kill and destroy - very very well.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: Jn 3:5 MUST BE BORN (AGAIN) of WATER & "SPIRIT" Have atheist r unbelievers been "BORN OF "THE SPIRIT?" Why do you insist the KoG is in EVERYONE?  It's there "IF" (& that a BIG "IF") they don't let lie "dormant" (BLV)!
      Not ALL r SAVED, C

    29. Julie Nou profile image55
      Julie Nouposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I certainly disagree. We are born with impure hearts, and thus we sin. Why the heck would Prov22:6 says "to train up a child in the way he should go"? Because we are born with mischief in our hearts. Nobody taught a kid to lie, but they do it..

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I AGREE! Why would Scripture say in Matt6:33 "SEEK ye first the Kingdom of GOD..." if we ALREADY have it! Satan is playing w/her mind to deter her from being an asset for CHRIST! He loves to prevent those who have "gifts" & will BLIND if we "DOUB

    31. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It looks like Nor and King are rummaging around in the store that is so full of antiquated scriptural junk, they need to step out into fresh air.  A beautiful world awaits them, free of stuffiness.  Also, learn to discuss sensibly - please.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GOD HATES "feet that run to mischief & he that soweth discord among brethren"  (Prob 6:16-19) so whose your daddy?
      Jn 8:44!

  7. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
    Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years ago

    But who is going to tell you if you are sincerely wrong? Who has that right? Seems to me it's just an unending circle of one church or another saying, "Listen to me, not them!"

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Holy Spirit (aka JESUS)!
      If you would've "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) as HE commanded you to do, you would have the Spirit of "discernment" to TELL you who is right & who is wrong!

    2. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      First, the Holy Spirit is not Jesus; you are confounding the second and third Persons of the Trinity.
      Second, Jesus told the apostles to wait for power to be witnesses; that Power came on the day of Pentecost. Again, you forgot the context.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well Scripture LIED! Jn 14:26 said the Father would send the Holy Spirit in JESUS' Name!  READ! U r a FOOL if u believe JESUS (aka GOD) is "three!"  HE'S "MORE" yet ONE SPIRIT!
      The Holy Spirit is POWER who is JESUS!
      U never knew "the context!"

    4. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Scripture lied? I don't follow you. God does not lie. And why do not continually insult people who are trying to understand you, calling me a fool? I never said that Jesus is three; I do not know where you are coming up with this interpretation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What r "persons?" (1 Ex) Do u thk the "Burning Bush" did not have a personality for IT was GOD (Col 2:9)! Why LIMIT? ONE SPIRIT (ICor12)! I'm sorry I HATE "teachings" have LOST souls! If u blv HE doesn't LIE, why don't u blv Jn 14:26 "IN MY NAME?"

    6. glynch1 profile image68
      glynch1posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God has characteristics of personality: intellect, emotions, will. He has created us in His image; thus we are personal like He is.The burning bush just symbolized His presence. I'm sorry, but I cannot decipher the rest of what you are trying to say.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh yeah u can "decipher" but refuse to accept HIS WORD! Jn 14:26 say HS sent IN MY NAME! CLEAR! ALL of GOD'S "GLORIES" HAD "PERSONALITIES" - THE SAME "ONE!" Why LIMIT to 3?

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This conversation isTHE main thing wrong with Christianity - everyone is so SURE that THEY are right to the point of not listening to anyone else. Being that close-minded is so harmful to the entire world. Research the origins of your religions.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do "children" RESEARCH? You defy GOD'S WORD!  HE told us "Unless you become as "little children" ye SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" (Matt 18:3)!  Where does that leave u & your "RESEARCH?" How's it working for u?

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Children can read, Norine. I had no choice BUT to approach all this 'as a child'. Children are also curious and prefer to be told the truth. Also, it is really UNCOOL to make them believe that their friends are going to hell if they don't 'believe'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Children prefer to be told the truth?" I thought u BLV? Does GOD LIE? Did HE not SAY "SALVATION/HELL?" U act as if a child on milk when it comes to WORD or DON'T BLV!! Does a child comprehend ALL thgs? Lv "man" alone & STUDY WORD 2 "mature!"

    12. BaptistProphet profile image66
      BaptistProphetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Word of God is the measure by which we measure everything.  And the majority of those that resort to the Scripture have much more agreement than disagreement.  Of course, that is only when you approach the Bible with humility.

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, 15K detailed article that includes a long list that even Norine hasn't been able to explain; including: WHY God could not keep the message of Jesus straight among us via the holy spirit that he supposedly used to keep 'his word' intact?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Prop: Then why "broad is the way that leads 2 destruction?"
      Cat: 1st JESUS & GOD="SAME" SPIRIT! 2nd w/HS "guidance," IT is "revealed" & "in tact" IF 1 "ALLOWS" HIM to do HIS JOB!

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOOOOOOOONG LIST.. .even Norine hasn't been able to explain; including: WHY God could not keep the message of Jesus straight among us via the holy spirit that he supposedly used to keep 'his word' intact?

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Really who is responsible for your spiritual education .you are.
      The infomation is open to all.
      Like a dictionary.if you refuse to read it
      or argue the defintion the problem is your own intepetation no fault of God.
      Others have no problem.

    17. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Of course you have no problem, because you don't realize what is wrong - you blindly follow what has been force-fed to you and you LIKE it. It has become normal despite the manipulative, plagarized, pagan lies that you INSIST are valid despite PILES.

    18. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who has force fed me what. Did I give you a man name ?. A human name to be force fed. No ! But you did ,you just gave a man name and force fed theodos.
      What you say people do you do.
      Misfit. You have not explained that name.

    19. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Theodosius II was an early Roman Emperor - research those early emperors and popes. We already KNOW how bad the history is surrounding them. Why would The Bible be put together for any different reason? Do research - there IS a 'real message'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And HOLY SPIRIT has MORE POWER to "reveal" REAL MESSAGE than "man!"
      I wish you would stop "trying" to do HIS JOB!

    21. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not 'trying', Norine - I've already done my homework, you've kind of glazed over it. Jesus said the truth will set you free - find it. Stop being a mouthpiece for power hungry PAGAN killers & murderers.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm a "mouthpiece" for JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) Who will "reveal" ALL TRUTH!" Yes, Paganism is within Scripture but HOLY SPIRIT is MORE POWERFUL!
      Believe that?

  8. Ericdierker profile image48
    Ericdierkerposted 2 years ago

    I am not buying into the guilt deal. People feeling guilty is a choice that they make. Guilt is like the opposite of being forgiven.
    The concept is more in line with the Beatitudes. One feels a mournfulness and is comforted. We are not to feel guilty due to our issues we are to mourn that we commit wrongful acts.
    That guilt idea generally comes to pass when we treat spiritual concepts the same as ordinary daily activities. We think this way somewhat: Happiness - earthly, Joy - spiritually, Judgment - earthly, Compassion - spiritually, Guilt - earthly, to mourn - spiritually. Parents can use guilt as a deterrent to abhorrent behavior. God does not do it that way.
    If a person is feeling guilty because of happenings via organized religion that is on them. I have been around organized religion my entire life and have never felt guilt. My spirituality just was not raised that way. I reckon the closest I have come is when blessings are just heaped on me. But that is like when my wife married me. I just couldn't help but feel a little guilty that she just could not have understood the real me or she wouldn't marry me. I just don't deserve all the Love my Lord has shown me. I think I am more embarrassed about that than feeling guilty.
    Perhaps it would be helpful to look at the question closely. You ask if we feel it. If you asked if we know it the answers may be different. I have even taught and preached via organized religion but I surely do not feel the guilt. I do know though that some people do. I would suggest that those people have not been "Baptized" into their religion. If you operate on the fringes of a religion and do not immerse, chances are you may be stuck in the worldly hell of guilt. Fully submerse and any guilt flows away and only mourning is left.

    1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. But guilt can be raised in you by parents when you're born into  their religion. Say down the line you become disillusioned, Do you stay in that religion feeling guilt or truly seek answers which  may cause friction with friends & love o

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Traditions "KILL!"

    3. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      People feel guilty as a choice of believing in Christian dogma -  making people believe that they are 'unworthy' - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create human monsters. Wake up!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What church did u attend?  We are "righteous by FAITH" (Rm 3:22) & "There is therefore NO CONDEMNATION to them "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1)!  Where did u get that MESS from?

    5. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is the residue that Christianity imposes on people for control - even you, who believe that you NEED a saviour ot save you and a holy spirit to empower you. The Trinity is yet another pagan concept pounded into your head by your religion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Savior has ALREADY "saved" if u BELIEVE!  Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) is our POWER (Kingdom of GOD)! 
      READ Ephesians 2:8-9 AGAIN!
      Not into "my head!" I KNOW there is ONE SPIRIT who manifests HIMSELF into ANY "GLORY"@ ANYTIME simultaneously if HE DESIRE

    7. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To suggest no research is foreign to me, but I've been told that. I guess it's good to jump off a cliff without looking first & have faith you'll be fine. Glad I didn't stop researching about the true meaning of Christmas after reading the Grinch

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Don't mix "Spiritual" things w/"carnal" (Rm 8:8)! 
      If u "think" u can do BETTER JOB than HOLY SPIRIT (I Cor 2:10) - Go for it but u go AGAINST WORD (Prov 3:5)!

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Example you get hired at a good job.
      The company gives you a company policy book. It list all the dos and don't .And one day you purposely violate a don't who's at fault here The company or you?
      They gave you the Job
      You broke the policy by choice

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why does God - an omnipotent spiritual being - even need a book? Do you know that Krishna has almost the SAME 'salvation message' as they imposed on Jesus, and he isn't the only 'past savior' similar to Jesus. There are DOZENS like him - WHY?!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In other "RELIGIONS?"  They copied!  GOD is the CREATOR!  Not Geeta, Buddha, Prophet Muhammad, or any other "thing" man has created! Either u BELIEVE HE is CREATOR or NOT! Don't tell me others were first bcuz "man" says so or HE WOULD NOT BE "CREATOR

    12. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OMG, I am just now seeing this - THEY copied Jesus? They existed BEFORE Jesus; and what about the 'saviors' that existed at the same time as him like Mithras who also had the same message? They told you not to LOOK so you would not find out.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you CRAZY?
      What existed before GOD (aka JESUS)? Rev 1:8 "JESUS is "Alpha & Omega" who "manifested HIMSELF into flesh" (ITim 3:16) for HE is "ONE SPIRIT" (Eph 4:4-6)!
      You don't BELIEVE?

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You KNOW we’re talking about linear time - Buddha, Krishna, Mithras, Dionysus  who came LONG BEFORE Jesus all had VERY similar messages. What if God spoke BEFORE Jesus and gave all the same slightly updated message? THAT proves God's existence!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are believing "TWISTED" Catholic doctrine!  JESUS "before" GOD?  There is "ONE SPIRIT" who Fathered HIMSELF (JESUS) so why are you saying BEFORE JESUS (Cath)? You talking about me?  Now that's PAGAN!

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You can't wrap your brain around that, can you? Linear time, meaning Krishna taught Jesus' message to his followers LONG BEFORE Jesus ever taught his own followers the same thing. God has done that over & over for us; and C's insist they are uniq

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Girl I BELIEVE GOD made EVERYTHING (them 2)! Now if u want to believe THEY existed "long before JESUS" (aka GOD), so be it!
      "Test the spirits (Paganism, demonic, self  & others) to see if of GOD" & you're certainly "testing!"

  9. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 2 years ago

    Wow, how shallow and self-absorbed.  Yeah, it's all about making a person feel guilty.  That is all there is to it...right? When a person says that organized religion, do they realize that religion takes in the Muslim religion, Jewish religion, Hindu religion, Buddhist religion, Sikh religion, Shinto and others.  It seems some people only know about the Christian religion, so maybe the question should is the Christian religion built on a foundation of making you feel guilty?  A religious belief can only bring forth in a person what is already there.  If a person is angry, they can use religion to justify their anger.  If a person is happy, they can use religion to justify you happiness.  If a person feels guilty, it's not the fault of the religion, it's something deep inside a person.  A person's guilt is separate from any form of religious teachings.  If a person is strong enough to get past their guilt, they may find religion offers many insights into the human condition and more. Does anyone really think, who actually knows the teachings in the Bible, that the sacrifices of so many people for thousands of years to preserve the Bible was done just to make people feel guilty?  The people in Communist countries who risked their lives for Bibles just wanted a reason to feel guilty? Let's put on our thinking caps.

    1. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It seems like too many people confuse a belief in God or the Bible with a religion. I never asked does believing in the Bible make you feel guilty. Faith & religion? Two different things. Have you found your thinking cap yet?

    2. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You've only mentioned the Bible.  Do you know about the Quran, Bhagavad Gita, Talmud, Tripitaka, Kojiki?  These are just a few.  There is also the Hadith, Torah and others.  Thinking caps are essential to discuss an issue with ideas and not emotion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Read: I "BELIEVE" II Timothy 3:16 & II Kgs 17:29-41! So all others OUT!
      There are not several highways leading to THE CREATOR (Exd 20:3)!
      RELIGIONS are "man-made" but WORD is "Inspired by GOD" w/"NO GUILT" (Rm 8:1)!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You've answered this question like a fanatical Christian - people risked their lives for the bible because they were brainwashed to believe in it. Christians are well-known for their HUGE inferiority complexes and teaching kids they will go to hell

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And "suppose" just "suppose" u are right!  What have I lost;time in this temp life w/"benefits" from HIS "PROMISES" in WORD!  Now "suppose" just "suppose" I am right, what have you lost;LIFEw/ETERNAL DAMNATION in a Lake of Fire (HELL)!

      Why gamble?

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why gamble? 1) It isn't a gamble - I'm right. Read my dissertation completely. 2) Christ came to FREE us - I've proven that. 3) Forcing souls to choose between 'heaven' or 'hell' is coercion - not salvation. WHERE are the 'saints' who rose with him?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "To be absent fm the body is to be present w/THE LORD" (2Cor5:8)! No one "forces" We ALL have "free will" but there r "consequences" (HELL) for EVERY ACTION even in the flesh!

    8. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine Mostly. Your assumption is laughable. Chinese risked their lives for the Bible because they were "brainwashed?" You obviously are ignorant of the concept.  Inferiority complex? Please. With some work it may not be so clear you're clueless.

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The things people find to validate the profound deceptions in the bible are amazing. There IS as much 'good' in the bible as in any other souce on this planet because God is DIVERSE and was here long before Chistianity's pagan message was enforced.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Cat HE was here but u forget HE "inspired" men to write Bible, sent HS to discern LIES therein, yet u let Satan deter Holy Spirit's WORKS! Satan has won! U should be a better soldier but allow Satan work ur mind! U threw "gift" back @ JESUS!

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you know why I keep poking at you, Norine? Because you're so close, its almost astonishing that you haven't 'flipped', yet. You think that means that you would give up your faith - but, no. Never. I certainly didn't. I just gave up the controls.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why do u thk I have "controls?" Rm 8:1 "NO CONDEMNATION" to those "IN CHRIST!" What "controls?" There are "consequences" as in life & we need salvation fm HELL! There is ONE GOD who is jealous! I BLV BIBLE bcuz Holy Spirit has "revealed" TRUTH th

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is why I do not think you read my hub - you're clueless about what is in it. I list EIGHT major religious 'controls' that are lies; and then I debunk those lies. The inferiority complex C's INSIST on imposing bcuz they were ORDERED to is #1.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I READ Cat! I agree "the Kingdom of GOD is w/in us" BUT u MUST allow HIM to WORK! U're working "trying" to "debunk salvation" from "consequences" of "Unbelief!" 
      GOD is our Father!
      U "disobey," u suffer "consequences!"
      Plain & simple!

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are so sure that I do not follow him - you have judged me every which way with man-written words. Not one thing coming from you is your own thought, it is embedded dogma. Why can't you respond to any OTHER of the issues I took up aside from KoG?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Did u READ II Kgs 17:29-41? U've "created ur "own" god, but believe GOD accepts "ur belief" as do ALL other Religions! As u, they "thk" we're ALL on diff highways to the same GOD! GOD'S A "JEALOUS GOD" who sent HS to HELP & u help HIM? BIG MISTAK

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All religions use human emotions to bind them towards that specific religion. Guilt and fear are strong emotional forces that are used in all religions. But also in commerce. It's emotional blackmail. Fear and guilt sells.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is a DIFFERENCE in "man-made" RELIGION & "WORSHIPING IN SPIRIT!"  When 1 speaks otherwise; they don't KNOW GOD!

    19. My Esoteric profile image92
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie asked the right question.  It the Christian or Islamic or Jewish Church didn't use guilt, outright lies, and threats to keep their flock in-line, how many adherents would they today.

      Norine, why should I read some who Says they speak 4 God

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If they don't speak from WORD, "there is no LIGHT in them (Is 8:20)!  If u don't BELIEVE Bible, u won't believe anything I say because that's ALL I quote-WORD which is GOD (SPEAKING)!

    21. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BOOK is not GOD which is SPIRIT, Norine - he doesn't need a book. WHY could God's Holy Spirit not keep 'the word' straight among us via that book? Because it ISN'T TRUE and he DOES NOT NEED IT except to keep peeps like you in spiritual  bondage.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Bcuz "PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS" r "COUNTERFEIT!"
      IF they would have "WAITED," we would ALL have the SAME MIND (CHRIST) but they ran off & "INTERPRETED" what they "PERCEIVED" to be right creating 33+ denominations in the US! GOD doesn't "need a Book

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit I looked the word up and it only has negative meanings to it. No one should be manipulative. It uses the word in bad relationships.
      Which is not what I want to say.
      Misfit your fight is with humans be it pagan or christain.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I AGREE K&T!  I believe she is "rebelling" against her mom!  She doesn't have a Spiritual battle with "pagan" input, but a spiritual battle with "principalities!"  If she doesn't come back 7 more demons will enter & will get "reprobate mind!"

  10. Tony L Smith profile image52
    Tony L Smithposted 2 years ago

    I have felt that this was true also, and sad. We have used manipulation in trying to reach more people. Maybe the intent was good but the method was really less than Holy and pure. When ministers are guilt driven themselves they portray a "damned if you don't message" which lays a foundation of so called truth that we are all messed up and must try to get better. The real truth, which is also displayed for us by Jesus and his conscious cleansing work on Calvary, is that we are clean, accepted and wonderfully loved. The first lie that started our mishap was that something was wrong and God was holding something back from us, or said another way  "we were lacking something". We have been given all things pertaining to life and Godliness.  Pure action comes from pure foundation, a lying foundation will never produce pure actions.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "a lying foundation will never produce pure actions."
      GOD SAID "damned if u don't" (Is 8:20) & if u don't believe READ what HE SAID happens!
      WORD is what was given "pertaining to life and godliness, so if u don't believe "u lack something!"

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus did not die for anyone's sins - although he was killed by the religious fanatics of the day; who then covered up their guilt by plagarizing pagan stories and attaching them to Jesus. MANY early Christians questioned the church's brainwashing

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Keep "studying man" & "creating that monster" inside of u!  GOD has provided a place for you due to "unbelief!"

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I believe, Norine - I just don't believe in the lies. Aren't you even SORT of curious about why Jesus was really here? There were several 'sons of god' who were born, lived and died to save the world from their sins in a VERY similar way - plagarism.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "IF" u BELIEVED, u would allow HOLY SPIRIT "guide u" rather than "research!" I Cor 10:21!  U r NOT a BELIEVER! 
      ALL who came prepared way for the coming of CHRIST!  "GOD'S PLAN/WILL!"

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      Hxprofposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine, Christ did indeed die for the sins of the world.  Scripture, scripture, scripture.  That much is black and white and you've chosen to refuse it - that's freewill and that's fine.  But, it is a lie.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "I believe, Norine" How can u say this & question why He came or say "He did not come to save?" What did He come for to walk around & look @ man He created?  Are u saying He didn't die on Cross, send Holy Spirit, gave GRACE? What?

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've written a long hub that details the inferiority complex that was INTENTIONALLY placed on people to unite the Roman Empire's scattered pagan religions to make them easier to rule over. I use scripture, logic and other resources. Learn who you are

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IF U BELIEVE, WHY DON"T U BELIEVE SPIRIT RATHER THAN THE BIBLE? IF SO, U "KNOW" HE WILL "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH!" WHY CONCERN YOURSELF W/VERIFYING LIES?  IT'S NOT THE BIBLE, BUT HOLY SPIRIT I BLV! 
      Do u blv there's a heaven but no hell

    10. Tony L Smith profile image52
      Tony L Smithposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Was there something wrong with the woman before the serpent deceived her. I am not arguing against faith, but I'm not beating the air either. The consciousness of mankind is what was polluted, not his being.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The "consciousness of man" needs to "return to GOD!"  It's a Spiritual Warfare & if 1 doesn't believe WORD, n trouble! Where else can we go for "Spiritual TRUTH" (Jn 6:68)? Surely not "lying man!" But some would "rather believe man than GOD" (Act

    12. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, that is exactly what my stuff is about - returning to God and kicking religion to the curb where it belongs. Good Eve question 2 theories: that story is bogus or a metaphor - I lean toward bogus. Yet another way to force 'submission' onto women.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I HATE RELIGION TOO!
      See why u need to "STUDY" Bible rather than "research" origin? Under New Covenant, "There is neither male or female "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Gal 3:28)!
      How can u "research" if you don't  KNOW WHAT "IS WRITTEN?"

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God is our Source, Creator, and Baseline who keeps our eternal souls UNTOUCHED by the harsh realities of this existence; while only attracting 'the good' in our lives to himself. It is the part that will stay with us after we die. No religion needed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TRUE!  GOD can't be contained yet we need "BASELINE" (WORD)! HOLY SPIRIT will "REVEAL" deceit!  Hope you still believe HE WORKS & HAVE THE POWER TO "REVEAL?"
      If so, keep "STUDYING" HIS WORD & HE WILL "REVEAL" - "ALL THINGS" - DECEIT TOO!

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      These R the treasures that he is keeping for us in heaven - every good thing, as seen as he originally saw them. You R an expression of God & WILL return home without condition - cuz that is the only way God knows how to love - unconditionly.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There's no hell?  Explain with Scripture (Baseline)?

    18. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lk 17 the kingdom of God is within you. Christ said this to Pharisees before he died who did not believe in him. John 10:34 Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Jn 3 The wind bloweth where it listeth so is everyone born of the spirit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why do u believe that portion of WORD "only?" You can't "cherry pick!"
      Are u saying the KoG is within u so, hell is w/in u?
      AGAIN, DO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S A HELL?

  11. word55 profile image68
    word55posted 2 years ago

    Whether a person was felt guilty by a religion, Christianity, God Himself or any other type and does not do the Will of God, the Father of Jesus; that person may feel guilty in despite of any organized organization's opinion. If a person has read and understood all that the Bible says, but does not obey God's Word then nothing or any one needs to make the person feel guilty. No one should be judged according to the 4 points here. What a person does is strictly between the person, Jesus and God.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who told u this? "The Father of JESUS?" I Tim 3:16=manifested HIMSELF! WORD "should" make the person feel guilty if not doing (Isaiah 28:13)! "No one should judge" w/WORD (I Pet 4:17)? "What a person does...?" What about Isaiah 59:8?

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Religious people are KNOWN for the guilt that their religions PILE on them - it keeps them in line, distracted and doing exactly what religious founding fathers wanted to keep people calm & united a couple thousand years ago. Time to wake up.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your Holy Spirit does not "convict?"  IF HE "leads & guides into TRUTH" what wrong with Him?  HE convicts, we "repent" & sins forgiven!  Time you wake up!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No conviction needed - another LIE. We DON'T NEED to be 'saved'. We are here to experience life on behalf of God. Jesus had LOTS to say before he died - what was it? What did he send his disciples out to teach people? That he was GOING to die?!!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Even "unblvrs" have "guilty consciences" when violating their "morals!" They call it that we call it "conviction!"  HS "reminds us" (convicts) we're violating HIS WORD! 
      WORD LIED? Did u READ Ep 2:8-9 re: SAVED?
      Need more rm for other Q's!

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      notterarticlesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is provision for assessment and accountability in christian walk with God.
      Relating in christiandom is not limited to God-Jesus-Self alone.An indinidual level of faith can be determined by his or her ways (fruits)
      Thats why discipleship is key

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is what you do not get, Norine - 'word' cannot be contained in that man-written, man-smushed-together book. You KNOW that word is SPIRIT! God did NOT create the world with a bunch of PAGES! How can the energy that creates worlds be so contained?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're right (Jn 21:25)!
      My problem is, u thk GOD is not "jealous" & will share His Glory! Would your spouse?
      You thk no one needs salvation! There r consequences in natural world as in Spiritual!
      Read my resp to ur HUB!

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see any response from you. I will HAPPILY read your hub IF you actually read my hub, first - THEN adjust your response. You're responding from the same place everyone does - you are so sure you know what it says and how to debunk it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've READ it Catherine! U "thk" GOD is in ALL (HE IS) but if not as Is 8:20 says serving their "own" god even some "Christians" (2Kgs17:29-41)! U "thk" no salvation, then no hell! Wrong! U "thk" Holy Spirit not GREATER than man's LIES! Wrong!

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus' main message was about the Kingdom of God. It is what he was teaching for years before someone finally shut him up for his 'blasphemy'. Explain all the plagarism in the bible. Explain the similarities between over THIRTY previous 'christs'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Listen Cat, if we "WAIT" (as u did BUT deny HIS POWER), the Holy Spirit will "reveal" ALL "LIES!"
      "TRUST HIM" (Prov 3:5)! No trust hinders!
      We don't need to "try" & "figure out!" How can "we" do a BETTER JOB than the Holy Spirit? Are "we" GREATE

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God put a brain in your head to think for yourself. Was that blasphemous for him to do? Why would he bother when you are so easily led by lies as so many are? You don't care about the truth about your ancient 'savior' or what they really did to him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A "brain" for U to READ HIS WORD & "lean not to your OWN understanding" overtaking the Holy Spirit's job which removes u fm "new revelation" & leads u into "lies" for denying HIS POWER & can possibly lead to a "reprobate mind" Rm1:28!
      BE

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I sure as hell do not deny his power - he has directly led MANY people out of the Christian religion, including me via his spirit. Again, FEAR keeps you from looking outside of that book - a control that was PURPOSELY written in by humans to rule.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How am I "ruled" Cat? The Kingdom of GOD is "IN" me & "guides" me; not man! I'm FREE! I do as I please! Do u thk I don't do as others? Do u thk I don't enjoy LIFE? Do u thk I don't swim, bowl, go to movies, parties, etc? I "PUT GOD FIRST" n ALL I

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine that is the difference between me and you your god allows you to hate , say cuss words. attack people by name calling .there is nothing christain about you but your mouth is deceitful.
      Live before you can claim it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U r "in bondage!" I give WORD not "cussing" but maybe repeating what another has said to "RELATE" to individual. That's how u MISSED GOD! HE "tried" to RELATE, u MISSED! I Cor 9:19-27 "I became..to gain the more for CHRIST" See? U "MISSED!"

  12. CYong74 profile image98
    CYong74posted 2 years ago

    I think it depends a lot on who is administering the religion to you.

    Rare as it is, admittedly, I've encountered priests and pastors who emphasise more on one's relationship with God, rather than what the church or the priest himself expects you to do.

    The eastern religions are also less obsessive with the whole blame thing. Though I must add in many cases, it evolves to superstition i.e. don't do this, you'd suffer that etc.

    On the whole, I'd say it's a case of religious leaders finding it far easier to use guilt/blame/siege mentality to manage and retain believers. It happens often. But is not a must for organized religions to survive.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is "Organized Religion" & those too LAZY to "STUDY" for themselves!  As lost sheep being lead to slaughter, they continue to "Amen" men & not search for TRUTH IN HIS WORD for themselves!
      FOOLS!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've studied Christianity and several religions on top of that, and this still applies: making people believe that they are unworthy - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create monsters

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Believing "studies" (man) rather than GOD are the "things that create monster!" Rom 8:1 There is NO CONDEMNATION to them "IN CHRIST JESUS!"
      Who'd u'd rather believe "man" or GOD" (Acts 5:39)?

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You don't think that the PROFOUND 'you're not worthy' inferiority complex Christianity has falsely created to enslave people (it certainly is NOT what Jesus preached) harms both individuals and the world? God does not live in a lying book, Norine.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      YES!
      And is PRECISELY why I tell ALL TRUTH as u should be doing vs "researching" LYING MEN! 
      Who cares what "man" has said for the HS will "lead & guide" but u waste ur "gift" proving their wrong (we already KNOW)! I Cor 10:21="Wasting GIFT!"

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      Hxprofposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cartherine, I agree with Norine.  Relying upon our own understanding is folly.  Many bible scholars are full of useless knowledge because they're not allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them as they study scripture.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cat: Do you believe there is a heaven?  If so & the righteous go there, where do the unrighteous go?

    8. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, you know scripture, which I believe can be interpreted any way someone wants. One thing that can't be misinterpreted is the 10 Commandments. One says, "Thou shalt not kill." Did I miss the part where it  says, "unless the person is gay?"

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Interpreted" (man)? YES! "REVEALED" (I Cor 2:10)? NO!
      GOD'S WORD is "LIFE" (Jn 6:63)! Either u BELIEVE or NOT!
      Re: "Gay!" Romans 1:26-32! I can't chg IT for u or anyone else!
      IT IS WRITTEN!
      I "LOVE" by giving WORD which is "LIFE!"

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, there is WAY too much EVIDENCE (PROOF!) that man created that book out of either ignorance or deception - and probably both. People who 'follow' that book blindly trusting that the killers who wrote it were telling the truth are irresponsible.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: U've LOST ur "TRUST" in GOD denying the "POWER" of the HOLY SPIRIT (Acts 1:8)! 
      Matt 6:33 "SEEK" why "SEEK" if in everyone? 
      II Cor 4:4 devil has "BLINDED" u!
      TEST: "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) then allow HIM to "WORK" not "YOU!"

    12. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine - I have NOT lost my trust in God; neither he nor 'his spirit' live in that man-written BOOK that you are still so fascinated with. As long as it is written, you believe it. How utterly IRRESPONSIBLE of you in this day and age to not RESEARCH

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Girl, GOD KNEW of Technology before man who's STILL "limited!" The HOLY SPIRIT is the same yesterday as TODAY! HE "REVEALS" as HE did then!
      TRUE GOD IS NOT IN Book but "REVEALS" LIES therein!
      I pray u'll let HIM do "HIS" JOB!

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I understand that you have been given really good reasons to not use your brain or question that man-made book. That is how it was designed: to enslave your mind. WHY are there so many similar 'saviors' with Jesus story, Norine? RESEARCH THINK LEARN

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "CATHERINE MOSTLY" I'm sick & tired of telling YOU, "YOU" are not MORE INTELLIGENT THAN "GOD" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!  The HOLY SPIRIT "OVERRULES" any BOOK!  HE WILL "reveal" ALL TRUTH & when "YOU" try to do "HIS" JOB, you lose HIM=lets u become a

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're frustrated bcuz you can't answer that question. You don't care that 'trinity' 'baptism' and 'resurrecting' are pagan concepts - fine. ALL THOSE dozens of 'saviors' that share MUCH of Jesus story & MANY of his teachings is logic you can't h

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Did I "LIE?" R u MORE INTELLIGENT? Girl, I DON'T CARE what your peanut brain has "interpreted" (as other men), I KNOW the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT & ALLOW "HIM" to "WORK" which HAS "REVEALED" MANIFESTATIONS in "my life!"  I pray u do the same!

    18. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not 'interpretations' Norine - but FACTS found recorded in other history BOOKS and religious texts, such as: "how are they unique? Or are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed?" Jesus story was PRE-famous among pagans, LIES to UNITE pagans.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: I keep "TRYING" to tell u, THE "SPIRIT" is what "WORKS" for me, not what man said what about ANYTHING!  I BELIEVE IN HIS "SPIRIT" (HOLY SPIRIT) who "leads & guides into "ALL TRUTH!" IF LIES r therein, HE WILL "REVEAL" is the attitude of a BE

    20. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Uh huh... How is it then that we are BOTH being 'led by the spirit' while YOU continue to quote scripture, proclaiming it to be "it is WRITTEN"? Is WORD illogical, N? WHY was the SON given the SAME fairytale stories as previous pagan 'saviors' - LIES

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If I blv'd what man has written, (the world 4.53B yrs old, Bible 3K yrs old), I would be an Atheist! This is a SPIRITUAL journey in which Bible is Schoolmaster to show how to elevate FAITH in CREATOR!  HE has POWER to tell us right fm wrong; u BLV

    22. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BOOK is NOT 'schoolmaster' for SPIRIT - it is LIES told by men to rule over MASS populations of unruly pagans: ALL THOSE pre-saviors that share MUCH of Jesus story & MANY of his teachings WHY IS THAT, NORINE? Why can't you answer that ONE questio

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Pre-saviors?"  In Bible or out? I got to know where u r!
      WOW!
      I took a nap & GOD gave me this for u: Jer 17:5 "Thus saith the LORD, CURSED be the man that trusteth in man, & maketh flesh his arm, & whose heart departeth from the LORD!"

    24. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do a Search. Norine, if I trusted man - I would trust that BOOK like you do. What did Christians do for 300 years without it? Why were so many (hundreds) of gospels destroyed - and yet, God has left 'The Satanic Bible' and other 'offenses' intact?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It's "A TEST!"
      You're going to do as HE SAID or "become a FOOL" just like u!
      "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) & "ALLOW HIM" do HIS JOB; "BELIEVING" & having "FAITH" in HIS WORD & HE will "REVEAL" "ALL LIES" within that "BOOK!"

    26. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, its not a test. Most Christians could not READ and there was NO BOOK for the first few hundred years of Christianity. Ask, Seek, Knock... Research is NOT 'ungodly' its SMART - in combo with SPIRIT it is REVEALING as you keep saying... Try it. smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently it is for we MUST "stand" on HIS WORD or become as u!  I agree GOD can't be contained in a Book! I just disagree w/u denying HIS BLOOD; no salvation needed, & no hell! Atheist & unbelievers going to heaven too? Why did HE come? Ans

    28. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, I've already answered in detail. Nutshell: he came to teach the Kingdom of God - just not the paganized version you have been deceived into believing. READ it you'll see why there is no NEED for hell, where evil comes from, how to deal with it

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U said "Seek!"  If the KoG is ALREADY in us, what r we "seeking" (Matt 6:33)? If no hell, then no heaven?  If heaven, are ALL going? Atheist 2? Why should we BELIEVE "anything" just live morally & enter? By ur analogy, HE'S going to accept every1

    30. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Read or shut the fluck up, Norine - from this point on, I will not respond to your sad ignorance. I will simply cut & paste proof after proof on top of them. There are people watching; and you are a VERY good example of 'what is wrong' with relig

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Don't get upset, I'm trying to understand ur thinking!  Why would u not believe that SPIRIT will "reveal" w/o "RESEARCH?"  Do u thk so less of HIM that HE needs "your" help?  You r a prime example of how Satan places "strongholds" in r minds (Jn10:10

    32. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I absolutely believe that "SPIRIT will "reveal" w/o "RESEARCH" - it HAS to since The Bible is a manipulative book of pagan lies. Every time you make that claim about 'spirit/word' and use scripture in the same paragraph - you contradict yourself.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why "Research?"Contradict=wrong!  I give WORD & if they've "WAITED," the Holy Spirit will "reveal" LIES unto both if Book manip!  THE SPIRIT is GREATER than Book, if 1 "WAITS!"
      I give WORD BELIEVING "TRUE" (fm heart), if WORD manip, HE'LL"reveal

    34. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit your understanding does not apply to all humans or christians ,all humans can decide that for themselfs. Because you are human as any other and your resources are human. Which makes all human equal
      to choose what they want. Not to dictate

    35. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I know, that is the LAST Christian defense: FREEDOM to HARM, KILL, teach kids they are inferior, yet superior, to other sinners. Righteous indignation buried under centuries of spoon-fed ignorance. Just believe, don't question - its ALL TRUE!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I KEEP TELLING YOU, if you DON'T "BELIEVE" with a "PURE HEART," HE'LL allow Satan run rapid in your mind ("Researching")!  CAT, there's NO WAY u can "Research" BETTER than the HOLY SPIRIT!  Give it up!  Let HIM do "HIS JOB!"

    37. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The bible may be just a book to many .
      Its more then words. Its messages, its also codes,it has its own security system no one can change no matter people say and do to it.
      The problem with people is they think they know what its content is .not so

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I can't agree with last statement K&T! You defy Heb 13:8! Paul never saw JESUS (in the flesh) but KNEW!  HOLY SPIRIT does SAME THING - TODAY - "reveals!"

    39. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is why I have said that Norine is 'on the verge' because she KNOWS that God is SPIRIT - and yet, CAN'T quite reach beyond the book through brainwashing to grasp the simple truths. At some point, you gotta let go and let God - truly trust. Awaken

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I can't agree that KoG is in ALL! Yes, spirit in ALL but not GOD'S unless 1 BELIEVES otherwise Atheist & ALL going to heaven!  If so, let's just do as we please!  Kill, steal, sex anything, whatever for we all go to heaven, right?

    41. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine google the word Hallelujah.its Hebrew for Jehovah , Praise Jah.
      Its not Jesus Hebrew name which is Yeshua.
      You make alot of noise and dont know what you are saying.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You can't deny I Tim 3:16 "GOD MANIFESTED HIMSELF INTO FLESH; you can't deny Rev 1:8 JESUS is Alpha & Omega; you can't deny unless your NWT has chgd TRUTH! 
      GOD has "MANY" GLORIES & called "MANY" NAMES; yet "ONE SPIRIT" & "@NAME JESUS, u

  13. Misfit Chick profile image75
    Misfit Chickposted 2 years ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13087856_f260.jpg

    All religions are not necessarily bad - even Christianity when you have it in perspective. There are many Christians who participate in the communities who have come to believe that there ARE lies that were deliberately-inserted to make all the various pagan religions across the Roman Empire easier to rule and manage. Those people stay in the religion because it is their 'home' where their families are. And besides, you can easily 'believe in Jesus' - along with the real message he was teaching before he died - and not the manipulative psychological controls that surround him.

    The really sad thing is that the more you prove the salvation message of Christianity to be a manipulative, religious control - no matter how many ways you prove that FACT - believers scream louder about it being 'the truth' - and how their 'freedom of speech' has been compromised; and their beliefs are 'under attack'.

    And the world continues to suffer simply because know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about the things that would be too painful for them to discover - much less, admit.

    ALL religions have been diminishing over the decades because they have run their course among us - while we start to realize the spiritual truths about ourselves and our children. God does not need a book to do that. For instance, many many Christians no longer teach their kids that they - or their friends - are going to hell.

    Christianity in particular was designed to be manipulative and it is obvious. Do your research. We DO NOT need to be told to 'be good' - it is our natural state of being. Making people believe that they are 'unworthy' - along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the kinds of things that create human monsters.

    This is the 21st Century - there is almost no excuse for every person of religion to not have done the research surrounding the founding of their religion. SHOULD you believe what you think? Maybe... Check it out, verify it - don't let killers and murders rule your spirit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Heb 13:8! "Research" DEFIES SCRIPTURE (Prov3:5)! We should ONLY "think" WORD!  GOD is the CREATOR & "RULER OF OUR SPIRIT!"
      Why let Satan (man) cont LIE to u & "think" u need to "research" how much?
      "don't let SATAN rule ur spirit" (Jn 10:10)

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And thus have the religious elite kept you in spiritual bondage to them. For goodness sake, RESEARCH, Norine! Don't let killers and murderers rule your brain. It is very valuable - that is why they did this in the first place. Read my hub to start.

    3. Ajax 2016 profile image72
      Ajax 2016posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine I would like to talk to you more! Very insightful mind you have.

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been through hell to get this mind, and it is a mind we can all have - not that my mind is perfect, ha! But, you can tell that it was once in prison and has been set totally FREE. It happens all the time and more often. Always happy to gab. smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AND STILL GOING THRU "HELL" (CONFUSED) IF U RECOGNIZE SATAN (RESEARCH)!
      EITHER U BLV OR NOT (ICOR10:21) & NOT THERE'S A GOD BUT "ALL" HIS WORD!
      IF U SPENT AS MUCH X N WORD AS U DO N RESEARCH, U'D BE AN ASSET TO CHRIST!
      NOW-NOTHING N HIM!
      Heb 3:

    6. Slarty O'Brian profile image84
      Slarty O'Brianposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Satan is just god when he gets drunk. Don't worry about it. lol...

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Slarty, u don't know but u r close!  HE "created good & evil" 2 "fulfill HIS WILL!" When 1 loses "FAITH," GOD "ALLOWS" Satan to enter; therefore, 1 has become "drunk" & NOTHING lol about it!
      I Pet 1:7 "FAITH ON TRIAL!"

  14. Dr CHE Sadaphal profile image72
    Dr CHE Sadaphalposted 2 years ago

    It seems you have been the unfortunate victim of imperfect human application of divine faith. That is regrettable and it is also sad that your impressions are common.

    However, the objective good news that transcends personal feelings is that (I am speaking from a Christian standpoint) God actually offers the only legitimate cure for real, felt guilt: eternal forgiveness. Religious people can be the judgmental type because they suffer from the prototypical religious sin: spiritual pride (I can say that because I suffer from it). The great news for everyone is that ultimate forgiveness is not granted by other people but already earned through Christ.

    If you're ever in the New York area, send me message and let me know. You're welcome to come worship with us at our local church. There, we don't make you feel anything. We simply introduce you to Christ and let Him do the rest.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your "church" MUST teach "The Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" or you all are "leading sheep astray" (Jer 23:1)! 
      Have u been baptized according to how the disciples were AFTER the establishment of the FIRST CHURCH (Acts 2:38)?

    2. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Archdeacon Norine has spoken.  In charge of her own self-styled "church,"  answerable to no one but her own god-ordained opinion, intoxicated by the spirit.  Don't stop Norine.  This is fun.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As this is the age of technology, this is also the age of TRUTH where ONLY "HIS SPIRIT" leads!
      2Cor3:5-18 explains TODAY "perfectly!"

      SPIRIT baby! That's ALL!
      It is "fun!"  Join us!

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Alan the CIA is already tapping Norinnes phone, she is an extremist and capable of terrorist actions.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      II Cor 12:10 "I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST'S sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong!"

      Hallelujah!

  15. Sara Siliquini profile image73
    Sara Siliquiniposted 2 years ago

    Sure it could be making you feel guilty. But if they're saying, "Confess to God your sins, ask for forgiveness" that isn't meant for you to be guilty, but to save yourself from your sin by being honest with Jesus, and be more cautious of your decisions in order to be close with the Lord.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Holy Spirit "convicts!"  One KNOWS when AGAINST WORD (If STUDIED) & IF love GOD HS "convicts" & one RUNS to HIM, REPENTING! World calls "guilty conscience" Disciples call "Holy Spirit Conviction!"

  16. Ajax 2016 profile image72
    Ajax 2016posted 2 years ago

    I have been researching religion and how it is manipulated to control the masses. Interesting views I come across. Perhaps this guilt is a tool long discovered to hold a people at morality standards even as science exposes harsh reality about religion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If u "researched" Christianity, u'd KNOW It's ALL SPIRITUAL & the Holy Spirit "leads & guides us" not what "we think;" therefore, NEVER GUILTY!
      WORD says "There is NO CONDEMNATION to those "IN CHRIST JESUS" (Rm 8:1)!
      We sin, repent, forgive

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No repentence or forgiveness needed. The bible is FILLED with one PAGAN story after another. Pagan concepts were plagarized into ONE religion in order to unite their ecclectic masses across the empire. There is LOTS of proof how this was done.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So says "man!" Who do u "BLV" - "man" or GOD?" Man thought the earth flat at one point, but GOD KNEW (Is 40:22)! When was Isaiah written (8th Century BCE)? When did Columbus discover round (1492)?
      R U "IGNORANT?"

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, Norine - man wrote that book and put it together. God is spirit you know this. His word cannot be contained; nor is ALL of his 'truth' in one place. Tainted humans are power-hungry killers - and you believe what they want you to believe. Learn

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AS WORD SAYS "U CAN'T SERVE 2 MASTERS!" U CAN'T SAY "U BELIEVE" & Q R "RESEARCH!" JN 21:25 "THERE R ALSO MANY OTHER THGS JESUS DID IF THEY'D B WRITTEN EVEN THE WORLD COULDN'T CONTAIN THE BOOKS!"
      BUT HOLY SPIRIT WILL "REVEAL" ALL!
      GET ON BOARD!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The ONLY WAY that makes sense is if you believe in a BOOK instead of the SPIRIT - talk about splitting yourself between two masters! Your masters are power-hungry, blood-thirsty murderers and you don't realize it. THAT is why you would LEARN.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not the BOOK but the WORD therein!
      GOD LOOK @ THE HEART!  When HE "SEES" a "PURE HEART" - "WORSHIPING HIM IN SPIRIT," DO U BELIEVE HE WILL NOT "LEAD & GUIDE U?"
      Man did write, but was "INSPIRED BY GOD" & I LOVE THE "BENEFITS!"

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      just because you read king James does not make you suffcient in scriptures no doctor is a doctor of one book or source He has to be student in all his career .
      Jehovah is very important Jesus stressed it in the Lords prayer. 'Hollowed be thy name'

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ohhhh... I get where you are coming from now, K&T. You're one of those 'Jesus was an original Jew and a member of the ORIGINAL, true religion of Judaism'. Plagarized Stories: Eden, Noah's Flood, Ten Commandments, the Book of Proverbs.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What I hate about K&T, she defies Scripture! IF u "pin her down" for "answer," (I Pet 3:15) she "RUNS" which is AGAINST Scripture! 
      IDK! Must be JW'S "misinterpretation" of a Scripture (belief)! "GOD" is not the author of confusion?"

    11. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No misfit I am not what you analyze at all Neither your whole out look.
      When will people understand omething happens for a reason.
      Its not all about us as many think .We just are part of an issue.
      No need to have conversations with people who argue

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "No need to conversate w/ppl who argue?" Gal 2:11 "But when Peter came to Antioch, I "WITHSTOOD HIM TO THE FACE, bcuz he was to be blamed." K&T, u ALWAYS speak AGAINST WORD & I "try" to correct fm "twisted" belief!
      BUT WHO CARES what GOD HAS

  17. kckeenan profile image60
    kckeenanposted 2 years ago

    Personally I don't believe in organized religion but I do respect those that do and I'd never judge someone based on their religion it's just something I personally don't agree with. I do however believe in god and from what I know God loves and forgives and sometimes people get ostracized and judged from committing a sin that is nothing compared to some of the other things that go on in this world. I think organised religion was created so people could have something and someone of a higher power to believe in, I think people need hope and faith in their lives but I also think that religion is one of the biggest problems we face in this world. Different religions have different Gods but I believe you can still believe in them with out having to follow a bunch of different rules. Everyone makes mistakes and they should never be judged and ostracized for those mistakes. Saying that there are some people that do unforgivable things and are just plain bad. In my eyes saying someone should and is going to hell for one small mistake or not even a mistake just for doing and saying something someone else doesn't agree with is wrong.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "but I do respect those that do [Blv Religions] & I'd never judge someone based on their religion" is AGAINST BIBLE! "No other gods" (Exd 20:3) "Judge" (Lev 19:17;IPet 4:17)! If u blv in GOD,u MUST blv ALL of HIS WORD not what u've "heard" but RE

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong again, Norine - religious tolerance is something that has been practiced successfully by Christians, Jews and Muslims in the past. Jesus told his followers that a PAGAN Roman Centurian had more faith than anyone he had come across in Israel.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Faith" in HIM & what HE could do (since they saw w/natural eyes), not faith in their RELIGION!

    4. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kassy, you have nailed it! 
      Norine, What I think you're saying is,  you'll never judge someone based on them being part of a different religion, but their interpretation of gospel doctrine must be the same as yours otherwise they are wrong.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NOPE! Kassy WRONG!
      GOD SAID Gal 1:6-9 "ANY OTHER GOSPEL="ACCURSED!" 
      I'm telling ALL what HE SAID, not "me!"

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed? Why do Christians believe their stories are distinctive? There is nothing unusual about what Cs believe, except they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God. Celsus 170 CE

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: Listen Girl, I don't give a fat cat's ... about Celsus!
      CASE AND POINT "THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WISER than ALL & will "REVEAL" - "IF" YOU BELIEVE!

  18. pohtiongho profile image60
    pohtionghoposted 2 years ago

    Indeed it is. They need to instil some fear so that you won't run away and will always be there to donate 10% of your basic salary including the annual bonus !

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LOL!  TRUE of "organized RELIGION!"
      TRUE WORSHIPERS follow JESUS thru Paul re: "tithing" (giving) & ALL other "thgs pertaining to life & godliness" under the New Covenant! Giving is NOW "of one's heart" (II Cor 9:6-7)! Don't let "man" fool u

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, you agree that 'religions' are bogus; and yet INSIST that the obvious manipulative principles within them are TRUE. It seems to me that you only did HALF of your research. Go finish your homework.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I AM NOT RELIGIOUS but SPIRITUAL as Christ, & I do I BLV "the obvious manipulative principles within them are TRUE." Don't EVER compare me w/RELGION!  I HATE RELIGION!
      The HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD/JESUS) does NOTHING "halfway!"
      WORD needs "hmwrk?"

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    hasti meghvanshiposted 2 years ago

    YES, POSSIBLY IT CAN, IF WE ARE NOT SENSITIVE ENOUGH. WE SHOULD BE CREATIVE TO ADD FLAOUR IN RELATIONSHIPS.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "FLAVOUR" MUST BE OF GOD!

  20. Renewal Fitness profile image61
    Renewal Fitnessposted 2 years ago

    Yes, I think sinful humans have twisted scripture and made things action-based. Religion creates guilt, but that is not what following Jesus is about. Correct that faith and religion are very different. God isn't about making people feel guilty, though he does set up restrictions to help us live the most safe, joyful, fulfilled life possible. If a church makes you feel guilty, it's probably not truly understanding who God is and how much he loves us.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I love the term you used - "action-based!"  It stands TRUE to Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by GRACE r ye saved THRU "FAITH;" & that NOT OF OURSELVES ("action-based"): it is the "GIFT" of GOD.  Not of WORKS ("action-based") lest any man should boast. Amen

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Another issue you have, Norine - you buck against almost every response because it is not a perfect representation of the DOGMA that is in your head. God has never set up any 'restrictions'. Archeology has thoroughly debunked Jews in the wilderness.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So says "man!" Don't u KNOW GOD will "reveal!" Don't u "BELIEVE?"
      "DOGMA" is in WORD, which I "quote!"
      I didn't "buck against her response!" I agreed - "Not action based" for the Holy Spirit "WORKS" - "not we ourselves, lest any man should boast!"

  21. Sgt Prepper profile image59
    Sgt Prepperposted 2 years ago

    No, well maybe just a little. Global-warming is what the evil-cabal of global-elite is using to make the proletariat feel guilty for leaving a supposed carbon-footprint. The UN will impose a tax to erase national sovereignty and supecede constitutions.

    1. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Where r u?  What time zone?
      Don't worry!  JESUS is coming soon! 
      Be Ready!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Kingdom of God is within you. It is already here and has been on this Earth for a while, now. Does anyone else find the gleefulness Christians demonstrate around the rapture disturbing? I'm going to be SO HAPPY to leave you suckers behind! wink

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're not leaving me!  I'm not going to be "left behind!"
      How are "you" going though & have not "followed Paul?" (I Cor 11:1)

    4. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Perfect point, Kevin. If "followers" believe Global Warming is a bigger problem than Radical Islamic Terrorisim, like some do, then they're drinking U.N. Kool-Aid.  Just a different punch bowl of stupid unswerving guilt. Our enemies thrive on heat.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Either way:  "BE READY!"

      It's inevitable - We're leaving one way or another!

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I had tp read what Jonny was agreeing to ! I must say you have express this subject very good .
      I agree with you thanks for sharing your uplifting comment Sarah !

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If u agree w/Sarah, you are just as LOST as MOST on HP!  What does that JW org teach you?
      Have u not read THERE ARE NOT "DIFFERENT PATHS" TO THE CREATOR? If not READ, II Kgs 17:29-41!

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    notterarticlesposted 2 years ago

    Hello hubber.
    Your opinion is not generally acceptable as standard.
    First,there is no religion without faith in any reasonable religion.Because faith is built upon a chain of principles that form the creed which serves as the tenet or pillar of a particullar religion.
    The guit factor u have enumerated are part of the core practices of the church known as doctrine.
    Its  mandatory for a christian to attend church (fellowship with others),pay tithe to allow God to rebuke devourers from your income,its for your benefit to obey the authority over you,because they would give account of their stewardship over you.

    Secondly,the bible is writen by the inspiration of the Holy spirit to holy men,who were not given over to love for mundane things nor selfish gain.So the book remain infallible.

    Thirdly,
    i do not subscribe to wrong doings of some spiritual leaders as you mentioned perhaps in your church.But if you have sinned realy,its important as human to have a guilty feeling if the conscience is in the right place.Then,a Godly sorrow,leading to genuine repentance has to be sought for from God and restitution to the person you wronged.Psator has his faith or religious obligation,worshippers have theirs.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "If you have sinned realy,its important as human to have a guilty feeling if the conscience is in the right place."
      PRECISELY - It's not RELIGION - but morals!
      Spiritual leaders have an obligation to GOD & souls to exceed unbeliever's "morals!"

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You believe that cuz you've been taught what is acceptible since birth. Things like making people believe they are 'unworthy sinners' along with bullying, abuse, mistreatment, economic depression, etc. - are the things that create human monsters.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MOST have been "program'ed!" Environment does that to one!  Welcome to life even in the "carnal!"  Holy Spirit places one ABOVE & "reveals" TRUTH in ALL THINGS but we MUST let HIM WORK; "not "we" oursleves!"

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, that is what I keep telling you, Norine - stop believing in a multi-pagan book written to unite multiple pagan religions in multiple countries across the roman empire. I have a LONG list of unexplained things you have yet to explain.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Book is "Baseline!" SPIRIT works for me!  ALLOW Holy Spirit to "WORK" in your life; no confusion! Stop looking o/s  WORD which causes more! 
      You compile the list! I'm going to Arkansas! Email me on Monday!  Stay Blessed!  Love ya!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LoL! Ta! Book book book book book - not spirit - book book - manipulative - book book book - lies - book book book book - pagan trinity - book - old rehashed - book book book book - uniting pagans - book book - pagan baptism - pagan resurrection BOOK

    7. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And there would be many former church choir boys who would disagree with no spiritual leader committing any wrong doing. I believe the term for following blindly today is, "Drinking the Kool Aid."

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I "drink" HOLY SPIRIT; the WISEST MAN (CHRIST) who ever walked the face of the earth!  You "drink" Celsus & "RESEARCH" (man)!
      BOOK only "Baseline," Holy Spirit "leads & guides me!"

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, you believe the pagan lies told about Jesus Christ in order to unite the world in political & spiritual servitude. YOU could care LESS about the real message of Jesus or what really happened to him. You are 1 of many sheep following orders.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't give a (D) care about "politics!" This is a SPIRITUAL journey & if ANYONE teach otherwise "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't 'teach' anything other than a spiritual journey - and neither did Jesus. But, you follow a BOOK that was created for political motivations by PAGANS trying to unite a world of diversity - and succeeded, fooling even YOU after so long. LEARN

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit I believe in the bible and before it was cataloged into a book .there was scrolls that had nothing to do with pagans.  So make your statements clear with proof .what is pagan and what is isnt.

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, I wrote a whole article explaining in detail. You were obviously too afraid or too much of a know-it-all to read. Believe what you want. Don't insist that book to be spiritually viable in ignorance and I will stop calling you and Norine out smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: What do u want me to say? WORD wasn't "inspired by GOD?"  How then could "man" know of all the "accurate fulfilled prophecies" therein? How could u KNOW we r spirits fm GOD? What "book" lead u 2 where u r today? Being raised Catholic, I understa

    15. celafoe profile image58
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      misfit chik- perfect name-- if you hate Christianity so much find another sand box to play in.  You will not influence any real Christians, just the rebellious non believers as yourself.  You know not of what you speak, you speak trash

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie:  Satan "deceives" those he KNOWS will be an asset to Christ more than others!  When they've "tasted of the heavenly gift" & "fall away" he's HAPPY because they've "crucified HIM afresh" (Heb 6:4-8)!
      Pray for her!

  23. Jay C OBrien profile image64
    Jay C OBrienposted 2 years ago

    Check out the Baha'i faith. It is not based on guilt. Baha'i unifies all religions by looking at the Source of religion, God.  All prophets emanate from the same Source and try to teach a message for their time and place. Respect all prophets and you will have One religion, no guilt, no manipulation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      II Kings 17:29-41!

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      BaptistProphetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not all prophets are of God.  Otherwise they would agree, but they do not.  There are false gods and false prophets.  You are just fooling yourself to think otherwise. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. . .

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TRUE! WORD speaks of "false prophets & gods" (2Kgs 17:29-41)!
      Is 8:20 says "If they speak not according to THIS WORD, there is no LIGHT in them!"
      Do I not give HIS WORD?  Why when "sermons" r preached & NO WORD, there is no LIGHT in them!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, there are other religions since Christianity that do that - Theosophy is another big one. MANY 'unbelieving' Christians stay in their religions for peace's sake, ha! A general 'spirituality' is what we are heading for as the lies become obvious

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "General spiritually?"  Well, that eliminates the Ten Commandments; especially "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exd 20:3)! We can now be "general!" A "general" spirit is why there r so many diff Religions (Hindu, Buddha, Muslim+)2Kgs17:29-

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "A "general" spirit is why there r so many diff Religions" You finally got something right, Norine! God is DIVERSE, has NO RELIGION and has NEVER commissioned one. Jews in the desert has been DEBUNKED by Archeology. God has no need for commandments.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well, it sure is FACT, husbands hate wives to commit "adultery," & IF I was GOD, I'd hate too; if I came & died for u, u'd BETTER serve ME; if I sent u a gift (after dying) & u threw back in face, u'd suffer! If u create anything, u want

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AND wives hate husbands to commit adultery - did we really need to be told that? I did not ask (nor need) anyone to die for me - and no one has. Nobody died for you, either - what was Jesus ORIGINAL message BEFORE jerks killed him? Why hide it?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      After they killed HIM, HE was just DEAD? HE went to dust & was over? Why did HE come?  HE could've just "put laws in our hearts & minds" w/o coming!  U believe HE came, but for what reason?

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, you've tried to read my hub a couple times - I know its hard for you. BUT, if you actually read it - not necessarily all at once - you'll see that I answer - in detail - every question you've EVER asked me. It all makes PERFECT sense.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, I RELY ON THE "HOLY SPIRIT" not what "man" says-THEY LIE but HOLY SPIRIT doesn't! I Cor 4:10 "We r "fools" for CHRIST'S sake,  but ye are "wise" in CHRIST; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised!"
      WORD fm GOD!

    12. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BOOK is NOT GOD... Damn, you're BRAINWASHED. You can't grasp that you sprew lies JUST like they taught you to. BOOK of PAGAN LIES DECEPTIVE REALITY INFERIOR SOULS PAGAN LIES TO UNITE PAGANS ACROSS A VAST ROMAN EMPIRE pagan trinity = pagan SPIRIT

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I NEVER said I BELIEVE "TRINITY!"  There's ONE SPIRIT who is JEALOUS & u would be 2 if u were GOD! Pagan: Some, but HOLY SPIRIT "GREATER" do u hear "GREATER" & will "REVEAL!" Let HIM do "HIS JOB!"
      What happens to "unbelievers" since "NO HELL

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If *I* were God, I would not be jealous; especially if I was supposedly the only infinite, omnipotent, divine One. For God, jealousy in this context isn't love, merely power and control; and on my part, it wouldn't be love, merely fear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If u created "robot," would u not want it to love & respect u (obey commands)? If it "turns on u," what would u do? Reprogrm or destroy! So it is w/GOD! WE r the creations, HE is the CREATOR! Face it!

    16. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Jews  killing Jesus became superstitious in using Jehovah name. Their solution was to replace his name with LORD in capital letters.
      King James also did this but he did leave his name  four times.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: MAN can't chg the ONE SPIRIT (JEHOVAH aka GOD) for that is "WHAT" HE IS no matter what "Name" (which is "Not" a Name but is HIS FUNCTIONS) which means "I AM, WAS & IS TO COME") those are HIS FUNCTIONS as is "I AM" meaning "EVERYTHING"
      S

    18. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit my worship counts with  God  not pagan or christain.
      I do not have to war with anyone about who I love and  care about. That includes my God.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't mean you're right bcuz u believe!  If WORD can be "rightly divided," IT can be "wrongly divided" as well.  IF not living "AFTER THE CROSS" preaching "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9) "ACCURSED!"

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    Sam Presidentposted 2 years ago

    Yes, most of the religions are made of a set of rules which are forced on people in the name of god. Those religions are actually not the pure form of religion but is a mixture of religion with social and cultural rules. But there do exist other religions which doesn't impose rules upon the followers. One the purest form of religion is zen Buddhism. Its main difference from other religions is that it doesn't impose an idea of god on people, it doesn't have a haven or hell, it doesn't force you to do something or  punishes for doing something that is not good. In every religion like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc the core doesn't have any rules. Those rules are made up by the people who stand between the follower and the god (priest prophet etc). Zen and Some variations of Hinduism, Christianity and Sufism is about the core of religion, and there is no muddle man between god and followers. And thus the answer is that its not the religion which makes you feel guilty but its the middle man between you and god who builds its foundation of making you feel guilty.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "They feared they LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence." (2 Kgs 17:33)!

    2. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mike Cia a fruit tree say apple may have good fruit as you look then you notice there are some bruised and worms crawl on and in them.
      Can you just collect and mix the fruit .
      And eat them ? No ! If you mix them they will bruise .what to do ?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You've "collected & mixed the fruit" blving "TWISTED MAN-MADE DOCTRINE" blving GOD DOESN'T KILL!
      I guess u never read OT? HE'S the SAME yesterday, today & forever!" If that was HIS MO then, it is NOW! HE doesn't chg only "man" (CULTS) chgs H

    4. celafoe profile image58
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      sam-- you made it clear  you know not God.  in fact you really dont even know of the real God.   so go play in the hindu sand box

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Read Romans 1:18-20!  GOD said we KNEW right from wrong from creation and "are without excuse."

  25. Dakk profile image81
    Dakkposted 2 years ago

    Not quite. While some religions do in fact make use of (to some degree)  feelings of guilt in order to draw in and keep its faithful from going against its doctrine (see: some american protestant christian denominations, catholicism, islam, orthodox christianity, scientology, to name a few), there are many other religious which don't.
    Several christian denominations and non christian religions are focused on self improvement and teaching people to love one another rather than making sure they follow a strict set of rules, attend church or obey the commands of a pastor/minister/priest/etc.
    There is, indeed, a big difference between having faith and just having a religion. Religion without faith is just a bunch of empty rituals and rules, while faith can exist without religion.

    My idea on the subject is that, if a certain religion seems more worried about making sure you follow some rules and commands than actualy teaching you things and showing you ways to understand and love other people, then it is likely not worth the effort. Religion is meant to bring people together with God and other people, not keep them apart from others using using empty rules.
    Of course, the rules exist for a reason, that is, to teach us things and to love other people. If the rules fail at doing that, then they must be thrown away.

    I'm also heavily against obligatory tithes or donations to religious groups. Asking is ok, and I may even give something if I can clearly see where this money is going and that it is being used for a good cause. Otherwise, any religion that is worried about my money can make a permanent visit to the trash can.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why do we discuss this? The Holy Spirit tells one when something isn't right unless we didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4)!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There was not one thing that I disagreed with in here - well said. Here is a good 'soul check': if you feel any guilt while simply going about your normal life - you're in spiritual bondage. You can be free anywhere in any situation, even harsh ones.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Both of u r wrong!  There r not a Billion+ highways to get to THE CREATOR found in each man!
      Does ur spouse want u to have another? Neither does GOD!
      I guess Atheist are n "spiritual bondage," they experience a "guilty conscience" when doing wrong!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, that is a leftover thread from religion, ha! Very few people are aware of who/what they actually are; nor the true nature of our reality - spiritual or otherwise. You can't understand because you refuse to look beyond your programmed beliefs, N

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not looking beyond "JESUS" (aka Holy Spirit)! FAITH is the key (moves mountains)! U forget HIS POWER! U threw "gift" back n HIS FACE! U "don't know who u are" r u wouldn't be "researching!" ALL u blv is there is a GOD (II Kgs 17:29-41)! FOOL!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Matt 5:22 ...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. I have never EVER - not once - told you to 'look beyond Jesus OR the Spirit'. I've told you to RESEARCH, LISTEN and LEARN - fear holds you back. What if I'm right?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is 8:20 "To the law & to the testimony: if they (u) speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them (u)!" Which makes u a "FOOL!" I didn't say IT!
      Man can't teach me MORE than GOD!  Again, FOOL!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is 8:20 "...if they speak not according to this word, it is bcuz there is no light in them." Therefore, "FOOL!" I didn't say IT!  GOD is jealous as your spouse & if u "thk" there r K's of ways to HIM; Again, I say "FOOL!"
      I'm not "close," I'm "IN

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Neat. You just used scripture to call me a fool and took no credit for it because paper pages gives you permission to act on God's behalf while you take no responsiblity. Yet another GLARING reason why peeps need to RE-EVALUATE their 'faith'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IF u don't BELIEVE "GOD IS JEALOUS" (as a spouse) & "WILL NOT SHARE "HIS" GLORY," u're LOST; therefore, A FOOL!
      Is 11:4 "...he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, & w/the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked!"
      Provide boo

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Which means you can say anything that is in that book to anyone FREELY without taking responsiblity for it. Again, GREAT REASON to re-evaluate that book that you worship, where it came from and WHY it is so harmful to you and others through you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If HE SAID & HE KNOWS "I BELIEVE" HE SAID IT by looking @ "my heart," I don't care what "man" thinks!  My hearts says GOD SAID IT - not "me!"  U can call it "cop out for evil, harsh words," but IF WRITTEN, "I BELIEVE" & will quote!
      "Harm"=BEN

    13. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "IF WRITTEN, "I BELIEVE" & will quote!" Yes, someone did an excellent job of convincing you that a book contains God's spirit and rules over you. It is the reason why that book was created - to make you easier to rule over TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit how are people being ruled over .
      First if I want to read a book it is by choice.
      If I want to believe it my choice.
      Like water we do not drink it all pure as said
      There are things in it the eye can not see
      But we drink it to survive.

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't deny your right to believe in whatever fairytale you'd like to rule your life by. But I have the right to point out how dangerous & divisive your lack of knowledge, logic and common sense IS, has been and continues to be on the entire wor

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You don't believe in the POWER of the Holy Spirit?  HE'S NOT IN A BOOK! 
      Has HE not "PROVEN" to you HE IS REAL?  Why then won't you allow HIM to do HIS JOB or don't you BELIEVE HE will show you?

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think so Guilherme. Buddhism for example also teaches you to be afraid for your next life. Be a good guy and you will be rewarded in your next life with an upgrade. be a bad guy and face the consequences. fear and guilt all the same.

    18. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, just because you SAY you are quoting 'word' instead of a book - makes NO SENSE when you keep quoting from BOOK. You have FAILED multiple times to answer: WHY is all the pagan plagarism & multiple similar 'saviors' ok? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

    19. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit I can agree what most religions do.
      But I am not so negative to throw a whole basket of fruit out because one or two or many apples bruise. Most likely there is a good apple .
      All is not rotten but if you want to believe that you have right

    20. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What you don't understand, K&T, is... *I* SAVE the religion of Christianity with my article; because I actually DID the research and was able to FIND 'some' juicy fruits - some BIG ONES, ha! I am not toting atheism - just slivers of lost truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I keep telling u CAT! We MUST do as HE asked "WAIT" for "HELP" & when received STAND & NOT "DOUBT!" Those who "DOUBT" allow flesh to enter (as u) & "TRY" to takeover HIS JOB (as u)!  HE "REVEALS" (even "slithers") not "OUR RESEARCH!"

    22. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine proof of KJ translation of substituting.
      Isa 61:1, 2The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Funny-GOD gave me Is 61 as my motto!
      Yes name Jehovah (Description of WHAT HE IS) may have been removed but "SAME SPIRIT" as GOD (Description of WHAT HE IS)!
      BUT "neither" HIS NAME (JESUS) as w/The Trinity!

    24. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Guilt of Jews reaches back to killing God's son .
      But being manipulated is willfull.
      No matter what another person says it's up to me to make the  final choice. So that is not a excuse.
      Manipulation for the good is ok. But evil No !

    25. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Manipulation for the good is ok." - as are lies, killing, judging, etc. ANYTHING needed to convince people that they are united in a common, pagan bond so that they can be ruled over in a much more peaceful, CONTROLLED way in a pagan world is okay.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "K&T: U blv as Trinity blvrs: Thnk Father & Son r TWO & Jehovah is NAME rather than a description of WHAT HE IS!  How stupid they are for blving father son & Holy Spirit is a name & it isn't in life!
      CAT: U r fluffed up! U thk u b

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again some people mix the wrong meaning .religion is supposed to introduce you to your creator, helping to support you in a spiritual way.
      But the main goal is between you an the Heavenly Father. He gave you life
      He can also return it ig lost.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are father & son names or titles?  As u've told me before, JEHOVAH means WAS/IS/&IS TO COME (aka "I AM")! Sounds more like a description of "WHAT" HE IS (aka GOD) to me & is HIS NAME "FOREVER" (GOD)! U sound "twisted" as TRINITY Believers

    29. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norrine you just said praise Jah that is Hebrew for Jehovah not Jesus.  Yes every knee shall bow before our King sent by Jehovah.  You don't know what you are saying. And yet you say alot.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "THEY" are "ONE SPIRIT!"  When I say "HALLELUJAH," I praise THAT SAME "SELF SAME SPIRIT" Whose "NAME" is JESUS! 
      I DON'T LIMIT GOD!  RELIGION does (2 or 3)! 
      Phil 2:10 DID NOT SAY @ the name of Jehovah, GOD, or any other Name BUT "JESUS!"

    31. libertyordeath19 profile image81
      libertyordeath19posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They did not want the federal government to sponsor a specific religion, but that doesn't change the fact that America is founded on Judeo-Christian principle, and values.  That doesn't mean they support one religion over another, but it helped shape

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And is PRECISELY the PROBLEM!  Government (man) is involved in RELIGION whereas JESUS is involved in SPIRITUAL Worship who "leads & guides into ALL truth" including LIES embedded in Bible!

  26. MovieMatt profile image44
    MovieMattposted 2 years ago

    The devil aims at making you feel guilty.

    If someone is trying to make you feel guilty, he doesn't understand God.

    The devil twists God's words so that the vast majority of people don't understand God anymore.  He set up His church, but His apostles were all killed.  That church stopped receiving revelation, so men created different churches because they didn't know what else to do.

    Organized religion isn't a problem.  Having people run churches that don't receive revelation from God is a problem. Without revelation they get things wrong and mix truth with theories or opinions. If you think organized religion is a problem, it's because you haven't experienced God's church, only churches set up by men that imitate God's church.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen with the exception of "His apostles were all killed." JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8) still operates the SAME TODAY! There are "apostles!" There is "revelation" in THE CHURCH!

    2. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Apostle John died of old age.  My belief is that while man may set up a church/religion with intentions to imitate God's teachings, eventually  intentions are corrupted. Opinions & theories will creep into a leader's thoughts & become revelat

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U can't "imitate" Holy Spirit's "revelation" of HIS WORD (Gal 1:12)!  GOD set it up like that! W/O Holy Spirit, "imitation!"
      IF WORD is given, it would behoove 1 to "Search the Scriptures to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, and over time - say decades & CENTURIES - the bible has been interpreted by literal, dogmatic fanatics. That isn't even touching on all the stories that were plagarized from pagan religions in order for ALL Roman citizens to be able to 'beli

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT:  Again, Again, & Again I keep TELLING YOU, "YOU ARE "TRYING" TO DO THE HOLY SPIRIT'S JOB via "RESEARCH!"  Do u really think your "LIMITED BRAIN CAPACITY" (PEANUT BRAIN) can OVERWHELM the HOLY SPIRIT? Come on now!  GET REAL! EITHER U BELIEVE

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, we all already know how you feel about research and WHY you feel this way: BOOK told you to. "Norine: to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD"... This is why Christians are in so damn much spiritual bondage.. Research is enlightening to the soul

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The "soul" is enmity AGAINST GOD (Rm 8:7)! Heb 11:1!  Why don't u let HS do HIS JOB?  You can't do it BETTER!

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Who's job are YOU doing, Norine? The people who told you to FEAR and ridicule research, that's who you work for. The people who made you believe that you are something you are NOT - an unworthy sinner saved by grace. Find the Truth. You can do it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm NOT an "unworthy sinner" but YES "saved by GRACE!"
      "I AM" is NOTHING but "GRACE" or HE would have killed ALL long alone for we have "fleshly desires" which are "unrighteous" but "GROWING" via KNOWING HIM thru WORD! Just bcuz "HE breathed" spirit

    10. celafoe profile image58
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      matt=  amen esp the last line

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Have you all READ Roman 1:18-20?  Tell me what It means?

  27. The Indexer profile image80
    The Indexerposted 2 years ago

    That's called hitting the nail on the head. The whole point of religion is to keep the population docile and allow rulers to carry on ruling. Governments down the ages have encouraged religion because they know that a sense of guilt, and fear of the consequences of "sin", will give people second thoughts when it comes to rocking the boat.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ever heard of "FAITH?" Ever heard of the "POWER" of the Holy Spirit? If not a believer doesn't mean anything, but if u are, that's ALL one needs!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, Norine... your 'faith' currently has you in a prison at the moment; trying SO HARD to 'save' people before Jesus comes so they won't burn in eternity! You can relax, that won't happen. Pushing that on people is HARMFUL and NOT 'from God'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine, I have 2 Q's: What other book has as many "accurate fulfilled prophecies" written BEFORE Bible? & If there are consequences in the natural, what makes you think there are not in the Spiritual?

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Accurate prophecies are a matter of perspective - depends on who you ask. Again, consequences are DIFFERENT than the manipulation of eternal damnation. Answer my question that you ignore: WHY is all the pagan plagarism & pre-saviors like Jesus ok

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why can't anyone give me MORE than Bible has?  Why can't they show 1 fulfilled during our lifetime? WORD tells of the coming of JESUS (SAVIOR)!  U disagree?  If HE didn't come to SAVE, why did HE come, just to show us HE could manifest in the flesh?

  28. Deborah Demander profile image91
    Deborah Demanderposted 2 years ago

    I believe there is a big difference between spirituality and religion. Spirituality is all about our relationship with God (or our Higher Power), while religions are developed by people to control other people.
    Religion rests on getting a group of people to believe and behave a certain way, with fear of punishment for not following the rules properly.
    Spirituality creates a relationship with a Creative Force, in which we share and receive love, not only with God, but also with those around us.
    Spirituality remembers that we are all spirit beings, trapped inside vehicles of rotting flesh.
    Who we are is eternal, beautiful, loving. Religion wants us to forget our connection to God and forge a bond with an institution.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "The FEAR of the LORD is the BEGINNING OF WISDOM" (Prov 9:10)!  Satan has decv'd to make man "thk" ALL LOVE! Once "IN CHRIST" - ALL "LIBERTY!"
      Don't u have consequences for your kids? Is HE not our Father?

    2. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Religion" is a simple premise. You're not good, you're bad & visa versa.  "Religion" is based on man's prerequisites. Norine you even say, quote,  "I AGREE "Religion" is "butt hurting," but not the HOLY SPIRIT! There is a difference."  Your word

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IT IS!  Thank GOD I'm not "RELIGIOUS!" I'm "SPIRITUAL" & "BIG DIFFERENCE!" Holy Spirit "leads" not "man!"  Holy Spirit (aka GOD/JESUS/WORD) says in Rm 8:1 "There is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to them who are "IN" CHRIST JESUS who walk n SPIRIT

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Consequences are one thing, Norine - threatening to throw eternal beings into an eternal like of fire is emotional terrorism that is a manipulative, man-made CONTROL not from God. Would you kill your kid for not believing you can save them? Coersion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes I would "deny" or "disown" a GAY son/daughter (KILL)! 
      Their lifestyle is against WORD & would remain away from me!

    6. quakefinder profile image65
      quakefinderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I Agree !

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Like I said: emotional terrorism that is a manipulative, man-made CONTROL. Pagan followers coerced into believing lies to gut the human collective consciousness of its power. Explain why we should be okay with this, K&T. This is why I won't stop.

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit you have little military war going on in your perimeter of your mind.
      You want others to join the caos you created in your mind.
      I refuse. I am good and satisfied with the answers I got.
      Now you want be to be militant with yours !
      lol! No!

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Let me guess, you would kill your kid too; and I am 'militant' for being unwilling to accept those manipulated responses as being 'normal'. Humans are born innately good - and are taught hate. Almost all religions do that which is why they are dying.

    10. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No misfit I would love my son or daughter
      I know people who are gay, I also have family that is not against it.
      But that is their choice.
      Mine is I have a right to my own.
      Your relationship is with your creator not humans about morals.

    11. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow. I guess if Norine has a gay kid and she kills it - that's ok because she is free to believe as she chooses. If she has a gay kid - I'm willing to bet they would NEVER tell her. You're an enabler and condoner, K&T - as bad as any fanatic.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You're possibly right "They'd never tell me" for they KNOW where I stand!  Who'd I'd rather please, "man" or "GOD?" My children can't "SAVE" me! BUT GOD!

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit what it is validation from the true God who created all human , who put us here on this planet.
      It's up to him to determine what he accepts not you, not Norine , or any human scientist
      Or theorist,  scholars.They live and die not superior.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U DON'T "BELIEVE" in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT either!  Once HE enters one, we speak for HIM via "Revelation!"  It then becomes JESUS' POWER in us not "norine" or anyone who have been filled with the HOLY SPIRIT! READ Acts 1:2 "AFTER JESU

    15. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine the holy spirit is God's active force and power !
      It is a gift and he distributes it as he pleases.
      People can also lose it from bad conduct
      1Th 5:19 Do not put out the fire of the spirit.
      1Th 5:22Abstain from every form of wickedness.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: The "man" who wrote your "bible" chg'd wording! I Thess 5:19 "QUENCH" not the Holy Spirit!" Once one recv's, can stifle but HE "never leaves or forsakes" (Deut 31:6)! "Gifts (HS 2) r w/o repentance" (Rm 11:29)! Don't ALLOW HIM "WORK"="QUENCH

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine there is no man . Next what are you claiming as a comparison?  KJV of 1600's. Who deleated The Father's name, again learn Hebrew then you can tell who changed what.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GOD'S "Name" was "called" MANY for HE is "I AM" (aka Jehovah;+++) but Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME of "JESUS" (not Jehovah, Father, Son, HS, GOD but "JESUS") EVERY knee should bow..." YOU TOO!
      U no man who created that FALSE DOCTRINE!

    19. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine at Exodus 3: 15 says this is my name forever , generations after generations. We are the 21 century generation.  His name is Jehovah.  Even though people tried to erase it they could not totally do it.
      Rev 19:3
      Rev:19:4
      Still says Jah!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rev 1:8; 22:13 (JESUS SPEAKING) "I AM" Alpha & Omega..."  We are in THIS dispensation & "JESUS" is "Gathering The Church" not HIS Adverbs (Was,Is & Is to Come; Jehovah, or GOD; "I AM")! U see? HE chgs fm GLORY to GLORY & operating as

    21. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Religion wants us to forget our connection to God and forge a bond with an institution." So true, I didn't actually read this response before. Its nice to know that less and less people are stuck in the quagmire. It is why I stay in places like this

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      RELIGION is Satan's Greatest Device to Lose Souls!  Only a "FOOL" would be "RELIGIOUS" vs "SPIRITUAL!" HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) "guides" & HE wants us to TOTALLY "rely" on HIM so HE can "show out!" 
      I LOVE HIM!
      New HUB GOD'S "LOVE" vs man's "love

    23. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Example. People file taxes every year some owe some pay back.
      The laws or rules change every year.and is put in books for public use
      Can you just ignore this because you dislike the buisness of taxes ? And say get rid of tax books ? No! Taxes stand

    24. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      BOTH of your arguments are as wonky as ever because both rely on an ancient book - again, created by power-hungry killers to unite MASSES of unruly pagans. 'Spirit' needs no book and NEVER HAS, which is why religious texts R manmade for MAN 2 rule

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U fail to realize "YOU" are "wonky" for not "TRUSTING GOD" vs self (Prov 3:5)! Why would you throw the "GIFT" from JESUS back in HIS Face?  Do u think HE "LOVES" it?  Do u REALLY "thk" HE'S w/u when u defy HIM?

    26. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am not 'defying' him - at all. For you to keep insisting that I do is to insist that a 'regular person' such as PAUL - who wrote over HALF of the bible WITHOUT the benefit of gospels - can't know or speak on behalf of God. No BOOK of lies needed.

    27. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Hebrew 13:8 is true ! He is the same .but you are still saying Is Jehovah. That should prove to you they are not. Because Jehovah says this is his name for generations. Ex 3:15. Says foreverThis is only posible if there are two beings not one

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mis: U don't blv The Prophets either who were "regular ppl?" GOD spoke thru them, u blv? 
      K&T: Rev 1:8;17 CAN'T be DENIED!  JESUS (SPIRIT) was there from BEGINNING! JEHOVAH is NAME forever as is "I AM" SAME MEANING-SAME SPIRIT!

    29. MariSpirit profile image64
      MariSpiritposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well put thank you for your input!! I could not agree more!

    30. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit why do you and most all humans have a birth certificate , because it is a record or document that you exist.
      How would you know anything about the subject unless it was documents.
      The bible is full of genealogy.history.
      It and purpose

    31. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Harmful Bible Lies: It is wrong to teach a child that there is a stern voyeur watching & judging their every word & action; & WRONG to teach them that they are inherently evil, unworthy sinners who DESERVE to be punished for merely being

    32. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit who decides what is good and evil ?
      Who can you compare what is wrong and right? Or where do you get a comparisome of the right and wrong?
      You have decided the bible is bad by whos charges? How do you know pagan is bad?
      I would like to know

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      toprichestsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
    34. jonnycomelately profile image82
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That word Wonky suits two people in this thread very well. One other word I find suitable is "Bonkers."  Two people who claim to have some spiritually informed knowledge of an ancient book of questionable origin and authenticity.  At it like cats.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U need to use that link to "wash" your carnal thinking away & MATURE in the Spirit!

    36. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you dont belive in Jehovah's name .but you say Hallelu(jah)
      Short for praise Jehovah!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Baby I RECOGNIZE GOD'S NAMES ("GLORIES") ARE "MANY" for HE is GOD (aka "I AM")!!! 
      We NOW live under New Covenant in which HE (I Tim 3:16) DIED for us & wants recognition! For THAT reason Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME of JESUS every knee should bo

    38. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is this if you were a doctor and I listen to you as my doctor .Id be dead !
      Sorry all the noise you make does not help.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      DEAD to "twisted" teachings BUT would have "ETERNAL LIFE!"

    40. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T "who decides what is good and evil? How do you know pagan is bad?" What part of the lies I listed did you miss? Pagan isn't bad - it just was not what Christ was here for. Pagan religions were already here. They COPIED rituals to unite them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So they LIED? Christ didn't DIE & send HELP? We already had IT? All we have to do is BELIEVE KoG is in us & we've got tkt to heaven? Is this ur analogy?
      What happens to those who don't BELIEVE?

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      notterarticlesposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      Huuum...except that,religion is not created to make us "forget our relationship with God" .Rather was originally meant to  establish and maintain standard.But this could not be achieved on its own without the enabling power and wisdom of God

  29. roselinsojan profile image59
    roselinsojanposted 2 years ago

    May be you are correct. but I think all religion means, love one another&help each other.to me that is faith&religion.

    1. Damian10 profile image21
      Damian10posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I love my church and I love getting the word from them.  Religion like judging another person can be and is quite dangerous.  The Pharisees were religious and Jesus said you have to be greater than them to get to Heaven. Ours is to be humble always.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dam: How can 1 teach/preach if u don't tell another he's wrong according to GOD'S WORD (judging)?  Is that not judging? We "judge" w/WORD! If GOD SAID IT, u don't "judge," HE does!
      READ I Peter 4:17!

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine insulting people is not teaching or preaching. Its attacking ! No body likes to be attacked even you.
      Your choice words express attack !
      Many will tune you out.

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus also told Pharisees that the Kingdom of God was within them. The Kingdom of God is within YOU. The Kingdom of God is within YOU the same way - INSIDE of YOU. NEVER having needed to be saved - anymore than Jesus had to be.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Listen girl, I give WORD & bcuz not what u've been "taught" (kindness) doesn't make WORD untrue!
      CAT: The KoG IS within us IF we BELIEVE not in ALL just born again BELIEVERS who "exercise" FAITH or lies dormant!

  30. grand old lady profile image84
    grand old ladyposted 2 years ago

    Not me. My faith sets me free to enjoy life to the fullest and know my afterlife will be an extremely wonderful thing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And the rest of the world continues to suffer bcuz know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about the things that would be too painful for them to discover or admit. https://valerietarico.com/2014/10/31/ps … ristianity

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The problem misfit with your statement is that would include know it all people in general rather they do not have to be christains to have a know it all attitude.
      Where do none christains get their knowledge from imperfect humans
      Right!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Informing misinformed peeps is not being a 'know-it-all' when you can prove several ways over that the 'salvation message' that keeps them spiritually imprisoned is a lie imposed on us ALL thru them - whether WE actually 'believe' or not.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And is just where SATAN wants ALL, believing "MAN" rather than GOD!

  31. BaptistProphet profile image66
    BaptistProphetposted 2 years ago

    You are close to a real truth Charlie.  The reason why God gave us the Old and New Testaments was because He wanted us to have communion with Him.  That is not possible without taking care of the sin/guilt problem that we have.  A proper sermon will show you who God is.  But no man can see God in truth without seeing our shortcomings.  That is the power of real Christianity, God gives us the power/grace to do His will.  He washed away the guilt & shame of the past by the blood of Jesus.  There are churches that are not good or serving God.  But those who will not listen to the call of God, will always walk away thinking that the preacher is just trying to make them feel guilty. 
    Maybe you have had an experience with a church that was not really living by God's wisdom.  Maybe you have felt guilty because you are still holding out and will not surrender your life to God.  The greatest sin that afflicts us all is to live for self interest or self image.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      When 1 is "filled w/the Holy Spirit"(BORN AGAIN) his spirit is "perfect!" How else IF HIS SPIRIT "resides w/in us?" It is "renewing of the mind" w/WORD which brings our soul in line w/HELP fm the Holy Spirit!  Rm 8:1 "There is NO CONDEMNATION "in CHR

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What does this mean? John 3 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." THINK... There is NO SEPARATION between Christ's 'holy spirit' and the 'flesh of Christ'. Trinity is pagan

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!  On this WORD "AGREES" for there is "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12; Eph 4:4-6)!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, the bible claims that there is one spirit SEPARATE from us/God - that you believe in, wholeheartedly - as 'trinity' PAGAN style. God/Jesus/We are not - and have NEVER BEEN 'separate' from each other. We are ALL one, as single expressions of God.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ONLY if we are BELIEVERS!  Just bcuz we have "a spirit" doesn't mean we are of GOD!  We MUST be "IN CHRIST" to be "OF CHRIST!"

    6. BaptistProphet profile image66
      BaptistProphetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If we are born again, we will never die as in the second death of Revelation in the Lake of Fire.  But there still is temporal condemnation that we bring on ourselves that will result in loss of fellowship with God.  1Co 11:31

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rm 8:1 "LIED!" "NO CONDEMNATION" if "IN" CHRIST JESUS!
      U can condemn yourself if u like, but I BELIEVE WORD! Condemned how? Sin? HE "remembers no more!"Not a LICENSE to sin, bcuz IF Holy Spirit filled,HE "guides" w/no desire to sin but slips occur

  32. Slarty O'Brian profile image84
    Slarty O'Brianposted 2 years ago

    Of course not all religions make you feel guilty, mostly just Judaism and its main offshoots: Christianity and Islam.

    And yes, the guilt is a mind trap designed to keep you believing, because Christianity is about salvation from sin. A sin we didn't have anything to do with; original sin.

    But these religions also exist to validate morals. A law given by a human, even a tyrant, doesn't carry as much weight as one given by a god who can not just kill you but mess with you for eternity. You need to save yourself from it by doing what it tells you.

    Of course it tells you nothing personally, but they say its all in a book so you have no excuse.

    It's a mind trap, a meme, a virus, and carriers feel they have to pass it on. It's in the book.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IT sure doesn't "tell you nothing personally" when you don't have CHRIST "residing in you!"
      Those w/o see CHRIST as "a mind trap, a meme, a virus, & "thk" carriers feel they have to pass it on" because "it's in the book!"

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, why are the PAGAN rituals of trinity, baptism and resurrection / salvation in the bible IF it was 'inspired' by God? Do men not have brains? What would God who supposedly sent Jesus so that we would not need pagan rituals - need them for?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      HE DOESN'T (Eph 2:8-9)! HE'S DONE IT ALL (Hebrews 7,8,9)! "Brains" MORE than Holy Spirit "revelation?" You MUST "give Scripture" where no "water" baptism vs I Peter 3:21; & Acts.  Also give Scripture of no "resurrection/salvation!"

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lk 17, Jesus to PHARISEES: "...the kingdom of God is within you." Jn 3: The wind bloweth where it listeth... So it is everyone born of the Spirit." & "the Son of man which IS IN heaven" - no separation PRE-resurrection. We are 'just like him'.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "AND SO IT IS WITH EVERY MAN (DID YOU "SEE" THIS PART?)  "BORN OF THE SPIRIT"
      Every man has "a spirit" but not "born of "THE SPIRIT!"  Did u "interpret" that to mean all born (physically) are "born of "THE SPIRIT?"

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Like I said earlier... you DID NOT read my article. I talk about that part, too. You know damn well that I cannot cut & paste everything in here. LOOK, READ, LEARN... RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND. Quit believing force-fed pagan lies, Norine.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT - not Book!  HE "reveals" ALL!

    8. Slarty O'Brian profile image84
      Slarty O'Brianposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, we pass along the info like any concerned person would about any infectious disease. And I know you feel the same about us lost children being manipulated by the devil.

      The devil is just god when he gets drunk. One of us is delusional

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Slarty: U're "almost" right!  GOD created "good & evil" & when evil overtakes one, GOD allows us to get "drunk" w/IGNORANCE! It's called a "reprobate mind" (Rm 1:28) which causes "delusions" of rt is wrong & wrong is rt!

    10. Slarty O'Brian profile image84
      Slarty O'Brianposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine: So you are one of those that freely admit god created evil. Glad to see it. The Jews think so too and they should know having invented him.

      But I'm an atheist and don't believe in god or the devil. To me one is as bad as the other .

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Depending what the end result is!  GOD uses evil as well as good to accomplish HIS WILL!  HE IS GOD! If u created a robot & it developed a "mind of his own," which was against ur will, what would u do? Something evil (or so it thks) to bring in l

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Evil is God’s enemy ! He does not create evil. No more then to say you raise a child to do good but he decides to take his free will and become a thief. So you created a evil child in raising him or her ? No that child did what he desired and want.

    13. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is 45:7 "I form the light,& create darkness,I make peace,& CREATE EVIL..."
      See how LITTLE they have TAUGHT u? U need 2 STUDY vs RUNNING BEHIND ME "trying" to discredit!
      U R A "FOOL" "if" u "thk" u can BEAT a "SERVANT" OF GOD!
      Is 45:9 "Woe..

    14. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      James 1:13 -14
      When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 
      Deut 30:19
      That scriptures simply means it's up to you to chose life.
      Evil is yours by choice

    15. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Religion is the last remaining justification for bigotry, misogyny, racism. They misinterpret the 1st Amendment to mean their discrimination is excused by a book written by MASSE killers & murderers (of course, those were all justified & nece

    16. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How does Religion justify "bigotry, misogyny, racism?" Under New Covenant Gal 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female in CHRIST JESUS?" Explain!

      If CREATOR (GOD), would u want 1 to worship another? Explain!

    17. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      misfit you just told Norine the truth .but you do not follow your own words.
      Just because you say it does not make it so.
      Why does this not apply to you.
      My right of free worship and speech is not your right to decide
      But you do. Do for yourself

    18. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Repeat for you K&T: I have the right to point out how dangerous & divisive your lack of knowledge, logic and common sense IS, has been and continues to be on our world. Really Norine? You need PROOF? You only read BOOK, ignore your fanatical

    19. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit there goes that militant action you have going on in your own mind.
      Who told me what !
      The only person right now is causing a war about religion is YOU !But for the peace I will not continue commenting to you because you are  one way demand

    20. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You know, I can live with 'militant': noun: a militant person. activist, extremist, radical, young turk, zealot - guess what? I'm not even SORT of the only one who will no longer tolerate ignorance that perpetuates & condones child abuse and lyin

    21. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I HATE "LYING" TOO CAT!  GOD looks @ my heart & SEES my FAITH in HIM (Not in Book) that HE will "REVEAL" & guess what, HE WILL!  I BELIEVE IN HIS POWER, not what "man" says in a Book!  Based on my FAITH, HE WILL "REVEAL" - LIES!

    22. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The blah blah blah is a statement no body comment means nothing but your own.
      Sounds one sided to me.
      I leave you in peace misfit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) "kept" the disciples fm doing wrong (Jn17:12) but ALLOWED Judas to be "unkept" (Jn13:27)!
      GOD ALLOWS BOTH "GOOD" & "EVIL" to accomplish HIS WILL!
      HE is "the same yesterday today & forever" (Heb 13:8)!
      Is 48:1

    24. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is Jehovah could not be Jesus if he said this first.
      You have allowed the KJV bible to confuse you with LORD and Lord.
      One is Jehovah the other is Jesus su
      Until you study more translations then KJV you will continue being mislead and mislead

    25. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You both need to straighten out your stories -the Torah is just as manipulative as The Bible is, no matter what translation you read them from. The Jews invented guilt, didn't they? LoL! Look into Kabbalah, K&T - you'll be a little close

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There's where we differ K&T! I BELIEVE JESUS is GOD (ONE SPIRIT; Eph 4:4-6; I Cor 12) & u r a "spinoff" fm the Trinity believing "two different entities!"

  33. Jackie Lynnley profile image89
    Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years ago

    If it makes you feel guilty then apparently you are and that is the Holy Spirit convicting you, which is what He does to prove how much you need Jesus as your Savior. He does not persist so I hope you won't miss your chance. Men are not God and yes there are churches after members for more money than for more souls it seems and they will account to God for that.
    It is our responsibility to study the word and to know it to our own satisfaction where we could converse with anyone and not take their word above God's. It is not easy finding a church out there sometimes just as you like but God says where there are two or more in My name there I am also, so you could have your own studies with the wife, girlfriend, friends, just whoever. The Church is the bride of Christ not a building. To be called and gathered by Jesus when He returns. From everywhere. Your name does not have to be on a roll somewhere. God has the list, He will forget none of His own bought and paid for by His Son.
    The time in my marriage that my husband and I did bible study together were the very best years of my life much less marriage. You cannot study one thing, it always spills you over into so much more and there was never a better solvable mystery you could find and your days are filled with what you want to find tonight. It really is amazing.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "It is our responsibility to study the word and to know it" Funny how much studying is needed now to 'get things right' about God; when most people could not read for themselves when this religions was founded - yet another good reason to question...

    2. Jackie Lynnley profile image89
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You may want to take a good look at it while there is still time. Nothing in the world going on right now is a shock to a well studied Christian. We know what it is all about and we are ready for it. Or as much as we will be required to see of it.

    3. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I know, I don't do this either - but it would help if people read other people's responses b4 answering this question; because I keep repeating myself, ha! 15K word hub that debunks salvation - and the rapture, among other things. 21 Century - NEAT!

    4. Jackie Lynnley profile image89
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Either one believes the bible or they don't & there is no proving it is wrong but proves very much with proven prophesy that it is very accurate & predicting some very bad things for those who will not believe & get on board but your choi

    5. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Except that it HAS been proven to be a manipulative psychological tool to unite pagan masses of the day to rule over, easier. Being able to read & write in addition to RESEARCH on the origins works! pagan baptism, pagan trinity, pagan resurrectio

    6. Jackie Lynnley profile image89
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Entitled to your opinion.

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Proof isn't an opinion. Being too afraid to research your religion in this day and age is almost inexcusable. The majority of religious folks are following the whims of killers and murders - ignorance is bliss, and the whole wide world pays for it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cat IF u don't let go of "REBELLION" u're LOST! GOD TOLD U to "TRUST in the LORD & LEAN"NOT" to "YOUR OWN" understanding!"  U work for SATAN "RESEARCHING!" What does it do but deter u fm the things GOD has in store for u? What has "unbelief" done

    9. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      John 3 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Truth / Lie?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True?  Your point?

  34. bje117 profile image92
    bje117posted 2 years ago

    The only reason you would feel guilt is if you felt convicted and wanted to change. The more you partcipate, grow and learn, the more you want to be present and give of your time and talents and support the work of the church.
    It is in part a social gathering and a club if you will and needs financial and moral support to provide more services. You do not have to give more than you feel led to give and you don't have to agree 100 percent but you have to desire to understand and share a love for the truth even if it hurts or makes you feel uncomfortable.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Christianity imposes a HUGE inferiority complex that harms. What ABOUT all those pagan religions that were practiced; and all those pagan rituals that have been inserted - including baptism, trinity and the resurrection part of the salvation message?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Inferiority complex?" Heb 10:38! GOD has "NO PLEASURE in u" bcuz u "drew back!" WE ARE RIGHTEOUS BY "FAITH!" Why did apostles "baptize" when 1st CHURCH estb (Acts 2:38)? Why's there a HELL?

    3. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is no hell, Norine - hell is what you create it to be in your mind. THAT is the MAIN 'bad thing' about Christianity. We create hell - and can even take it with us for a while into death while our 'beliefs' linger until we realize they are bogus

    4. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit speaks truth again there is no hell if you are versed in Hebrew and Greek. The word is not used.
      In old English of 1600's KJ uses it as his bias opion as episcopal religion.
      Helling potatoes is to cover over or put in a cellor or cave.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is NOT our "mind" that's going to be "eternally tortured," but our "spirits!"  The "mind" can be "renewed" so that our "spirit" will not suffer "eternal damnation" in HELL! 
      If u blv no Hell, then no heaven? WORD?There r opposites "good & evi

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you believe in free will, Norine? If *I* were God, I would want people to WILLINGLY follow me. Killers & Murderers have forced peeps to believe God 'allows you to choose' between eternal peace or torment. Its coersion. 'Good' is our NATURAL ST

    7. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And they do "willingly" follow HIM! No one BUT GOD can enlighten! HE doesn't MAKE US, we open our hearts r BELIEVE, yet we can "deny" HIM & "choose" to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD! U're doing Holy Spirit's job "revealing" via "RESEARCH!"

    8. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Norine:  to "RESEARCH" which is AGAINST HIS WORD"... This is why Christians are in so damn much spiritual bondage; AND it is why it harms the rest of the world because they impose IGNORANCE onto us. God speaks all the time and cannot be contained.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well if u KNOW GOD SPEAKS ALL THE X & can't be contained, why don't u believe HE will "reveal?" Why do u even blv there is a GOD if u don't blv in HIS POWER?  HE SAID HE WOULD "REVEAL!" Why do u call HIM a LIAR?

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't call God a liar. I call the book that men wrote to enslave people easier, a lie. Many do for very good reasons - research. I have never said God is not powerful; nor that he does not reveal - he has revealed the pagan lies about Jesus to many

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      FIRST if u BLV "ALL" have the KoG, u r mistaken! ONLY BELIEVERS!  Unbelievers' lie dormant!  SECOND I KNOW I can't do a BETTER JOB of ANYTHING w/o Holy Spirit (2Cor3:5)! Who am I w/o HIS POWER? As u, nothing running trying to figure HIM out!

  35. GregoryKelly profile image61
    GregoryKellyposted 2 years ago

    Relationships are powerful. Our one-to-one connections with each other are the foundation for change. And building relationships with people from different cultures, often many different cultures, is key in building diverse communities that are powerful enough to achieve significant goals.

    Whether you want to make sure your children get a good education, bring quality health care into your communities, or promote economic development, there is a good chance you will need to work with people from several different racial, language, ethnic, or economic groups. And in order to work with people from different cultural groups effectively, you will need to build sturdy and caring relationships based on trust, understanding, and shared goals.

    Why? Because trusting relationships are the glue that hold people together as they work on a common problem. As people work on challenging problems, they will have to hang in there together when things get hard. They will have to support each other to stay with an effort, even when it feels discouraging. People will have to resist the efforts of those who use divide-and-conquer techniques--pitting one cultural group against another.

    Whether you are Vietnamese, African American, Caucasian Protestant, Irish Catholic, Jewish, or from any other racial, ethnic, religious, or socioeconomic group, you will probably need to establish relationships with people whose group you may know very little about.

    Each one of us is like a hub of a wheel. Each one of us can build relationships and friendships around ourselves that provide us with the necessary strength to achieve community goals. If each person builds a network of diverse and strong relationships, we can come together and solve problems that we have in common.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Be "knowledgeable" of each culture, but not AGREE w/their "god!"  THE CREATOR is "A JEALOUS GOD" (Exd 20:3) as is your spouse!  HE (GOD) is the HUSBAND & we are HIS BRIDE (THE CHURCH)!

  36. Experts Are Us profile image65
    Experts Are Usposted 2 years ago

    I think the issue is that people don't realize religion is a personal matter. I do things my way ... And I don't feel guilty about it.

    Does it follow the exact rules of my religion? No. BUT WHO CARES. It is a personal matter, and really people should just take it at that level.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If religious folks kept their faith a personal matter - that would be an entirely different thing. If you don't feel guilty - good for you for having your own confidence and not letting the manipulative tactics of religion bring you down. smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine U & he speak for "SATAN!"  Do things "my way?"  Has GOD not SPOKEN?  "BUT WHO CARES?" 
      If u think "it's a personal thing," why do we need Bible that SAYS SAME THING TO ALL?
      YES, diff "levels of FAITH," which display "maturity" or "imma

    3. Charlie LeSueur profile image81
      Charlie LeSueurposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly, Experts, but the problem with a mainstay formal organized religion ( I think you know what I mean) they all have an agenda, ALL!!! and this means that it's some church member's business to make you their business, appointed to do so or not..

    4. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie your statement true and false most. But there exist the ginuine that does not .it's free to learn the truth. I never paid to get and never charged anyone to share it.
      Jesus never did but fed multitudes and healed people as he went traveling.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie, YOU ARE RIGHT!  ALL RELIGIONS have "an agenda!"  Satan designed so what else? Disciples of Christ have NO AGENDA but to "save" souls!  It's a "SPIRITUAL" journey wherein we show "revelation" fm HS in HIS WORD for "reconciliation" to HIM!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is a spirituality based on lies that puts people in BONDAGE: "the rest whom we judge demented & insane shall be smitten; first by divine justice then by the justice of our own initiative." The TRUTH in Christianity is beyond tainted to cont

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: When one speak as you, they don't "BELIEVE" in the "POWER" of the HOLY SPIRIT!
      "IF" u did, u wouldn't WORRY what is right or wrong in Bible or anywhere else for HE "reveals" "ALL TRUTH!" 
      You continue to show: YOU DON'T BELIEVE HE CAN DO IT!

  37. MichaelMcNabb profile image77
    MichaelMcNabbposted 2 years ago

    Sounds like you have some butt hurt on the subject.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The entire world is butt hurt over it; and everyone continues to suffer JUST because know-it-all Christians refuse to educate themselves about  their religion and the things that would be too painful for them to discover - much less, admit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Cat, I AGREE "Religion" is "butt hurting," but not the HOLY SPIRIT!  There is a difference!  The Bible is our "BASELINE!" The HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides us into ALL TRUTH!" NOT "RESEARCH" but the HOLY SPIRIT!
      Can u find MORE TRUTH than HIM?

    3. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I can find more truth that YOU, LoL! The HS does not need a book and never has - I keep telling you that, Norine. WHY do you insist on trusting in a book collected & TAMPERED with by violent murderers who re-wrote history to control you and every

    4. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But what is completly true is he died for an important reason. He paid for humans to continue life under his rulership to come. From the heavens
      Position.
      Pagan beliefs would only be earthly.

    5. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not true - 'trinity', 'baptism' & 'resurrection' R pagan origins. Jesus message was different and FAR more dangerous to politicians. Are you SURE it was that he was going to become yet another 'die for you' 'only son of god' savior of the world?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CAT: Did I not say "The Book" is our Baseline? GOD KNEW what man would do & does have a "sense of humor!"  For "disobedient ppl" who "draws back" doing RESEARCH & for "unbelievers" HE told ALL to "WAIT" for HELP but u chose to "try" to outdo

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, I chose to use the brain that God put in my head. He told us to wait for what? SPIRIT, right? Did you not already receive that - even if you don't believe everyone already has that? 'Just believing' in something so harmful deserves research.

    8. profile image58
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If BELIEVING in that "Spirit" has brought forth "MANIFESTATIONS," why not?  Has your "RESEARCH" brought forth "BENEFICIAL" MANIFESTATIONS other than what "man" has told u is right?

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is nothing you claim to know or find changes my relationship with my creator.
      I don't worship man .but my God.
      Religion yes has faults and problems as you call juicy.
      Wrong focus I live for God my heavenly Father.
      Not for religion.

    10. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I love my creator and YOU don't Blah blah blah condoner blah blah enabler blah blah blah feel free to kill your kid, Norine blah blah blah lies are no big deal blah blah blah research is of the devil blah so are hotdogs blah blah world harm is cool.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why do u set your mind on "worldly" things (RESEARCH) when Holy Spirit "reveals" ALL is my question?  Don't you believe HE has MORE POWER to "reveal" LIES?  When u "RESEARCH" you "DOUBT" HIS POWER!  We MUST "RELY ON HIM" - "TOTALLY!"

    12. MichaelMcNabb profile image77
      MichaelMcNabbposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A religion or church needs it's members to behave in similar fashion or it risks losing the glue that keeps it together.  Faith, scripture, facts, history and traditional thinking all come from things external to the religion itself.

    13. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Michael speaks truth .
      But  the basics truths been lost.
      The real meaning of worship had become comercial.And a power over humans that should not be.
      They have lost the Creator ! The Heavenly Father .
      MATT 7:21" WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS"
      TheyAssumed

    14. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Uh huh... You and Norine and a select few others have 'the real truth' all sorted out. Its really too bad that those of you who are so enlightened can't convince your misinformed fellows to believe what you have discovered about your religions.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LISTEN CAT!  I have NO "Religion!"  I ONLY "rely" on the HOLY SPIRIT which is NOT a "Religion!"  I NEVER claimed to "know it all!" REPEAT: 2 Cor 3:5 "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to thk ANYTHING of ourselves;BUT our sufficiency is of GOD"

    16. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, but you know the imperative, MOST IMPORTANT things - don't you? You already admitted that you would KILL your gay kid based on that BOOK. You probably would have also taught what an unworthy, inferior SINNER he is since birth bcuz of PAGAN LIES.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "KILL" (demonic) spirit, not flesh for I've heard how they have sex! Do u want ur male child "ruptured?" GET REAL! Even n flesh that's IGNORANT! 
      Not only a SINNER, but now faces Aids & possibly "surgery" & not bcuz of PAGAN LIES but REALITY

  38. quakefinder profile image65
    quakefinderposted 2 years ago

    I think the religion gives the code of life - two directions, liked and disliked by the Lord. It does not make you feel guilty but gives a sense and promice of reward if one follow the liked direction - and a sense of accountability if disliked path is adopted with an option of rectifying oneself in his life with open offer of pardon by the Lord-- but the ultimate goal is to lead a purposeful life - a life in which you take care of others rights - and practice the commands of the Lord -- and abstain from following the path of the Evil.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      IT "makes u feel guilty" (Jn 16:8)!
      "The ultimate goal" is to become HOLY SPIRIT filled for "leadership & guidance" into ALL TRUTH" (Jn16:13)!

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Any religion that says you need to be 'put right' or 'forgiven' by God is manipulative. We are born as PERFECT as Jesus was. EVERYTHING he taugh was 'I am a spiritual being and so are YOU'. People teach you that you are an unworthy, lowly sinner.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NOT WORD! We are "righteous by FAITH" (Rm 8:1)!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, Norine: BOOK BOOK BOOK BOOK BOOK man-written (or CHANNELED) book book not-'God' BOOK via evil rulers to unite pagans BOOK book book pagan baptism, pagan trinity, pagan resurrection BOOK book book PROVEN LIES book RESEARCH what really happened?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I KEEP TELLING YOU:
      "THE HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD/JESUS) IS A BETTER RESEARCHER than u or I!"  Don't u BELIEVE that?

    6. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you keep insisting that the Holy Spirit has not revealed these things to me and SO MANY others? I've told you before - you DO NOT come from a rigid place of beliefs like your's to the ones I currently have without HELP from Spirit. Impossible.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why did HS LIE? HE SAID HE was the HELP!  HE SAID "TRUST HIM & DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!" HE SAID "CAST UR CARES ON HIM!" HE SAID "BECOME AS A LIL CHILD!"  HE SAID WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE!" DOES HS CONTRADICT ALL THAT OR DID "UNINSPIRED

  39. MelangeSpace1 profile image44
    MelangeSpace1posted 2 years ago

    guilt is one of the great ways to gain control, so this may have something to do with it....

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      2 Cor 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: & where the Spirit of the Lord is, THERE IS LIBERTY!"

    2. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Theodosius II: We command that those who follow this rule shall be Catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom we have adjudged demented and insane… shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of our own initiative.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been "trying" to tell u, LET THE HOLY SPIRIT DO "HIS JOB" ("REVEAL") for u CAN'T do a BETTER job!

    4. BaptistProphet profile image66
      BaptistProphetposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Guilt is much like pain.  It is meant to tell us that there is a problem like pain alerts us to injury.  Guilt happens when God give us the power to do right, but we do not.  If we would do right as He empowers us, we would have joy

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Listen Bapt! IF we KNOW WORD, Holy Spirit "convicts" (brings "sinful" thgs 2 our remembrance"), we "repent" & r "forgiven!" Our sins r as far as the east is fm the west!" Under New Covenant HE "remembers our sins no more!"
      Look @ "GRACE" in actio

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Also Norrine Again King James uses evil .
      You need to use another bible or ref before King James of England His choice of words is misleading.And you are helping him .
      God is not Evil satan is.It's wrong to attribute evil to him in actions.

    7. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Because you have been told that there is 'evil' and 'Satan' exists: NONE of you have to take ANY responsibility for yourself. According to BP, you are not even responsible for your own power. You believed you are evil & DOOMED without Christ. Lie

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      By ur analogy, we r all "IN CHRIST" (if 1) & all good, which makes the entire Bible a LIE? Adam sinned, GOD looked for someone to bring us back to HIM, couldn't find, came HIMSELF, DIED, sent HELP & we're to follow disciples is all a LIE?
      Exp

  40. Kiss andTales profile image79
    Kiss andTalesposted 2 years ago

    Organized religion can be just that name. But far from what it is meant to be.
    Like if you were to say dont you think that organized marriage is built on a foundation of making you feel guilty.

    Then you would say it depends on the people involved in the marriage. What kind of people are they. What are their principles and goals in life.
    This is about a relationship.
    The problem here is that people have taken the relationship out of religion and all you have is the shell or name.
    Many people do not know their Heavenly Father's name.
    And many do not want to take time to know but they will take another humans oppinion which could be bad advice.
    It is better for you to learn the truth for yourself .and if they have it wrong you can help them.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I want to say your list is very valid
      Yes religion has become a tool to rob people.First does God recieve this money no! He made the gold and silver
      So we have to not let people behind the name decieve you.
      God gives the truth free. Man charges

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What does "JEHOVAH" mean? "I AM" which is not a noun(name) but an adverb (can "DO ALL")!  Why don't u live under NEW COVENANT which JESUS died for?  Phil 2:10 says "At the NAME OF JESUS (Not JEHOVAH) every knee shall bow!"

    3. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine if you were a Jew and if you had the orignal scrolls not King James of 1600's you would read Jehovah's name YHWH over 7000 times.
      Yet even KingJames left the name 4 times.Why? to be ignored , no.
      Jehovah sent Jesus. this is the son of Jehovah

    4. Misfit Chick profile image75
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We know how butchered the NT is, lets talk about the OT now - and how it is platarazied almost most word for word in places of the Egyptian book of the dead. Jesus was Horus recreated to put people in another round of spiritual imprisonment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      JESUS is GOD="ONE "SPIRIT!" HE "tried" to relate to man via "Allegory!" Not 2 or 3 separate entities!  Now Cat says JESUS is "Horus" but Holy Spirit says "ONE SPIRIT" in diff "GLORIES!" As we chg fm glory to glory II Cor 3:18 as Christ I Cor12:12

    6. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misfit you speak truth but you also throw everthing out including the truth.
      True what people have done to mix paganism with the truth, But before that happen real copies were persevered.So we still have the truth intack from scrolls ,relics .papas

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Look how u "contradict" urself! She speaks "truth" but throws "truth" out?
      I guess u've been "taught" Holy Spirit was in ancient days too? U guys sure talk like HE has NO "POWER" (Acts 1:8) to "reveal" (2 Cor 2:10) ALL TRUTH (Jn 14:26;16:13