Is it possible that Jesus was White?

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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
Any pictures that I have seen depicting jesus show him as white but surely this was not possible as he was from the middle east?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is it possible that Jesus was White?
  
  In my humble opinion... NO
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  Tyrone Smallsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I saw Jesus once in 1997! I was hit by a car going 155 mph. and killed! It doesn't really matter what color Jesus' is all that matters is if you're ready to follow his ways. Love all ! ! ! I also went to Hell & Heaven and I've been writing ever since. You'll hear more about it in my writings.
  
  "Ylynd"
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one said it mattered. We are just discussing. We're not deep into religion at this point.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How come I didn't see you there ??
  
  You're a fake !
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No way was that man white. No possible way. To think that he was, is just being stupidly one sided.
  
  The man spoke Arabic. He was born in the Middle East. Hell at best he'd at least look European. But no- not here in America. He likes like an ex-Doors fan, still participating in Jim Morrison's look-a-like contests.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He may have spoken Aramaic But he also spoke Hebrew and his Mom was Hebrew. There is a possibility he had white or at least light skin.
  
  My husband was born in the Middle east and is Hebrew.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And yet on one of your hubs you say his last name was Thomas. They didn't even have last names then.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aw..... yes they did.
  
  So are you then saying that colored people cannot have a last name? Or that colored people cannot have the name Thomas?
  
  What are they NOT deserving of such a last name? Or is it just a last name for white english people???????
  
  Therefore, Mark, Paul, Matthew could not have been colored either I guess.
  
  Wow.
  And they stereotyping is dead on hubpages. Well this is pure proof to the otherwise.
  
  Of course they had last names. Google Research surnames.
  
  Wow.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What the heck are you saying? Who mentioned COLORED people???
  At one time no human had a last name. Don't try to turn me into a bigot because I disagreed with you.
  DO SOME RESEARCH ON LAST NAMES.
  
  The name Johnson came into being by saying that is George, John's son so he was called George Johnson.
  
  I never saw anyone with such as lack of understanding in reality or pretend just to try to defame someone.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are the white chick who brought up the fact that since he had the last name of Thomas, that????????????
  
  What were you implying then Deborah? You're the one who suggested that people of color couldn't bear the last name of Thomas. Why else bring my hub up. If YOU did your research, you would know that they surname of Thomas is over 8,000 old.
  
  So now what?
  
  Argue with me some more, for you ill written terms? I don't think so. You cannot go around stereotyping people, and then blame it on somebody else. You also cannot go around behaving this way, and get away with it. Somebody has to call it out, and state it like it is. You undertone and meaning were quite clear. Denying it tells the world you are nothing but a liar. So deny it all you want, it is YOUR creditability at stake.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong I said Jesus didn't have the last name Thomas as you said on one of your hubs.
  I don't call black people Colored either... you do.
  Stop trying to make me the bigot.
  Anyone who goes back to read what I said will know it isn't me but you.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where did I imply anything about color?
  
  I.R.Y.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I.R.Y.???
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh and WOW WOW WOW
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  Pani Midnyte Odinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Deborah is correct. People of Jesus' time did NOT have surnames.
  
  Jesus was registered as "Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary and Joseph of Nazareth," not as "Jesus Thomas" or as "Jesus Christ."
  
  If I were in Jesus' time, my name would be Pani of Waterloo because Waterloo is where I was born, not Pani (Surname). If I were married, I would take on my husband's name. I could then possibly be called Pani of Colorado Springs or Pani of Torrance, wherever my husband was born.
  
  Furthermore, Deborah did not say anything about "colored" people. By the way, calling them "colored" nowadays is considered very racist. They prefer being called black or African American, but only African American if they actually hail from Africa.
  
  Now to address whether Jesus was white or not. It is entirely possible that he was white, just as it was entirely possible that he was purple with pink polka dots. There are no photographs of him and there is no description of him in the Bible. Why? Because people of that time did not care what he looked like, only what he offered them: salvation.
  
  Since Jesus was born in the middle east and his mother was Hebrew, it is most likely that Jesus looked like a light-skinned Middle Eastern man of today. The people who made paintings of Jesus most likely depicted him as their race or skin tone to feel more connected to him. I have seen paintings of the black Jesus in Baptist churches and I have seen paintings of Jesus as a Middle Eastern man.
  
  (And dammit, I said I was taking a break from HP. I think I need to temporarily block this website so I can resist logging in and reading the forums!)
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Thank you. I am glad someone can read and understand what was written. I was actually shocked that what I said was taken so wrong.
  
  Here are some early depictions of Ancient Hebrews and Eqyptians and some modern day
  
  YahShua was a Hebrew, born of a Jewish mother. He had a Hebrew family. He spoke Hebrew, lived the Hebrew culture, kept and taught Hebrew laws, had Hebrew followers, and quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures
  
  Photos of Jews/Hebrews
  Some pages have the same pictures at the top an the newer ones at the bottom
  
  http://www.danheller.com/cuba-jews.html
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes5.html#Edomite
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes5.html#The
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes7.html
  
  Photos of Modern Day Israelis
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes5.html#Some
  
  Different Races of the Israelis
  
  http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesRace.html
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't understand?
  
  Here is a question for you. Last name Henry. What race do I have to be, to have that last name?
  
  According to your philosophy- not Jewish. Oh Hell Fire and Brimstone, I can't be black. And since I cannot be a man of color, we have ourselves a problem here people. I must be white.
  
  "Hallelujah, I must be white."
  "Praise Jesus, I must be white."
  "Now brothers and sisters, can you say Amen!" Amen.
  "Now can you say Amen, Jesus." Thank you Lord, and Hallelujah I must be white. And, no black baptist preacher man, can marry a damn blue eyed jew, neither. So, I must be white. Yeah, yeah, I must be white. I (pause) must be (pause) white!
  
  Kind of a catchy tune if you ask me.
  
  Right? Wrong? No comment? What?
  
  Now instead of apologizing for your ill written mis-step, you continue on here, pretending, and insulting our intelligence. It appears the only thing that you are an expert in, is posting web links in a hubpages forum.
  
  That takes a real genius, to manager that one.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  First I wasn't saying he couldn't have been black.
  I was showing pictures where they were both light and dark skin.
  Second, I'm not Christian, I am a Kabbalist, my Husband is Hebrew and I speak it.
  Third I don't believe in Hell fire and brimstone.
  
  I'm not apologizing for anything because I haven't said or done anything to apologize for.
  
  What am I pretending? and whose intelligence? Yours?
  You've misunderstood everything so I would check my own intelligence if I was you.
  
  I posted links to pictures because I don't steal bandwidth by bringing the pictures here.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kindly refrain from attacking me or I will take it to someone who can remove your slander and BS.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Christ didn't speak Arabic he spoke Aramaic...Confused?
  He spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and probably Greek.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well at least I think colored people can have the last name of Thomas. So I must ask, are you?
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  LeslieAdrienneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really care if He was white or not?
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really care if he existed or not?
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CMHypnoposted 15 years ago
Very unlikely that if there actually really was a Jesus that he would have been white. He was supposedly born into the local Jewish community and so would have shared their physical characteristics. If he had looked radically different it would have been commented on.

Anyway what does it matter what colour his skin was? If he really existed, what he was like as a person is what would have mattered.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse me? My husband is Jewish and is white.
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  2000 +/- years later! Not too startling.
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And your point? You have no point. The question was could he have been white. He could have been.
  Why don't you harass another. Not good to do that to me...
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  CMHypnoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was supposed to have been born in what is now Israel in the 1st cnetury AD, and it is more than likely that he had a middle eastern appearance - I was not making any comment on the ethnicity and skin colour of any modern Jewish community.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yah Shua wasn't born at the time you have stated. That was a miscalculation.
  It speaks of Herod and Herods son. Herod died in 4 BC and his son reigned while Yah Shua was around so he had to have been alive in 4-6 BC.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  now a days that isn't unusual, but back then ATA didn't fly there...(in the holy lands)
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is ATA? My husband is full blooded...
  
  Israel is Semitic
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
I dont think there is any question about the existence of the person known as Jesus - that is proven - the question that remains is whether he was the son of God - 17 people named Jesus were crucified in or around the time of Jesus this is historical record - the question is whether Jesus of Nazareth was the son of God I am not knowledgeable on these matters but I attended many interesting lectures and discussions about Jesus and Christianity
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Proven? By what means? I do not think it is anywhere near proven. Read the jesus stories that precede the jesus stories.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't we all the son of the head honcho. Jesus was the representative of the lowly humanness we have inherited. Making him special by saying he is the son of God isn't fair, nor is it correct. You alienate every other man woman and child by not saying everyone is the son/daughter/whatever of the FSM.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  FSM?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense, there is no historical record to suggest the Jesus of Christianity existed. In fact, there is far more evidence to support that he was a myth. Nazareth didn't even exist as far as historical records are concerned.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
It's possible Jesus wasn't any colour, he probably did not exist.
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CMHypnoposted 15 years ago
17 people called Jesus being crucified in the same time frame does not necessarily make any of them 'the' Jesus talked about in the New Testament.

The Jewish people at that time were eagerly waiting for a messiah to fulfil their prophecies and release them from the yoke of the Roman Empire, so there were quite a few proclaimed. I believe that even one of the Herods became a contender and stirred up a bit of a revolt.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
I dont disagree - I dont know if any of them where 'thee' Jesus - I was just making the point that Jesus was certainly about at that time - however - I suppose it could be compared to an Elvis convention - would the real Jesus stand up
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! Just about every other male kid was called jesus at that time apparently.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
earnestshub - did not realise they were that popular - I attended a lecture by a famous English footballer called David Ike - he was on eof the top footballers in England and gave it all up as he discovered God on mount Kilimanjaro - the lecture was very interesting and he seemed to know his stuff - well they all do dont they - but any way it was there that I heard about the 17 Jesus being crucified around the same period as 'Jesus' the 'real' was knocking about in his mosses sandles and doing good by turning water into wine - wish he would do it today we could make a fortune
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can make water into wine...
  
  all I need is some kool-aid and some pure grain alcohol...
  
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
Mikel thanks for that - you are a modern day Jesus
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
jewels - funny you should say that - as the man whom I mention above David Ike - was laughed out of the country (England) when he declared himself the son of God in a universal sense
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aka-djposted 15 years ago
Jesus.....white????
Yes and no. Actually, No and Yes, in that order.
I doubt seriously he was white, as in Caucasian white. So, my answer is No on that one.
As to His current state of Being, anyone that has ever had a vision of Him, He radiates pure white lght from every part of Him, esp. the face. Yes, white. :cool
The Book of Revelation gives a description of this.
Anyway, I would believe in Him even if He came as Chinese, Black African or Eskimo.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not a Caucasian white? Now that's an oxymoron
  
  Caucasian |kôˈkā zh ən|
  adjective
  1 often offensive of or relating to one of the traditional divisions of humankind, covering a broad group of peoples from Europe, western Asia, Israel and parts of India and North Africa. [ORIGIN: so named because the German physiologist Blumenbach believed that it originated in the Caucasus region of southeastern Europe.]
  2 of or relating to the Caucasus.
  3 of or relating to a group of languages spoken in the region of the Caucasus, of which thirty-eight are known, many not committed to writing. The most widely spoken is Georgian, of the small South Caucasian family, not related to the three North Caucasian families.
  noun
  often offensive a Caucasian person.
  • a white person; a person of European origin.
  USAGE In the racial classification as developed by anthropologists in the 19th century, Caucasian (or Caucasoid) included peoples whose skin color ranged from light (in northern Europe) to dark (in parts of North Africa and India). Although the classification is outdated and the categories are now not generally accepted as scientific ( see usage at Australoid and Mongoloid ), the term Caucasian has acquired a more restricted meaning. It is now used, esp. in the U.S., as a synonym for ‘white or of European origin,’ as in the following citation: : the police are looking for a Caucasian male in his forties.
  
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  deborah wrote:...It is now used, esp. in the U.S., as a synonym for ‘white or of European origin,’ as in the following citation: : the police are looking for a Caucasian male in his forties.
  
  UH-OH... I'm a white guy in his forties!!!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I know that, I live in America. However all Greeks, some Jews and others "not living in America or Europe" consider themselves white.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Greeks I've met, consider themselves Mediteranian, olive skinned, not white...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Greeks in my family, born in Greece consider themselves white. Not all of them have olive skin. Yes they are Mediterranean because their country borders the Mediterranean sea. The true Greek has red hair and green eyes. The dark Greeks have mixed with other nationalities.
  
  Most Greeks have whitish skin. If I know about anything, it is the Greeks. I even speak it.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really? When I was there (in Athens) I don't remember seeing anyone with red hair or green eyes... they all, as I remember, had olive skin and dark hair and eyes...weird...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I grew up in a town with Hellenics that moved from Greece to America. I went to school with them. Most had light skin. Though many had dark hair and skin most had Light skin, reddish hair and green eyes. My Brothers in Law have light skin and dark hair with Hazel eyes. I'm not sure where you were in Greece? In Athens? If you were there you had to have seen many that were not dark. Read this. From http://www.white-history.com/hellenes.htm
  
  HFK GŰNTHER'S WORKS
  
  Although a Nordicist, and thus disparaging of White non-Nordic inputs into Hellenic society, Günther's works on the subject of Greek racial history (1927; 1928; 1929a, b; 1956; 1961), are particularly valuable. Günther performed a detailed analysis of Greek history, from a biological perspective. Utilizing craniological, literary, and pictorial evidence, he reconstructed the racial structure of ancient Greece. He concluded that the Nordic sub-race formed something of an ideal for the Greeks, and that the Nordic element was more influential than any other. At the summit of its achievements, Greece possessed a large Nordic element, but as this element declined, so did Greek culture and civilization.
  
  "WHERE THE HELLENIC RACE HAS BEEN KEPT PURE"
  
  In the 4th Century AD, the Jewish physician Adamantios, described what he called the "true Greek" – or where the “Hellenic race has been kept pure” as follows:
  
  "Wherever the Hellenic and Ionic race has been kept pure, we see proper tall men of fairly broad and straight build, neatly made, of fairly light skin and blond; the flesh is rather firm, the limbs straight, the extremities well made. The head is of middling size, and moves very easily; the neck is strong, the hair somewhat fair, and soft, and a little curly; the face is rectangular, the lips narrow, the nose straight, and the eyes bright, piercing, and full of light; for of all nations the Greek has the fairest eyes." [Günther (1927) 157.]
  
  This quote is interesting as it shows that even then – some 800 years after the end of Hellenic Classical period – some Nordic Greek elements had survived. These elements can, of course, still be seen today as well, although much reduced in numbers.
  
  For more literary descriptions of pigmentation in ancient Greek poetry and prose, as well as craniological evidence, the following works are recommended: De Lapouge (1899), Jax (1933), Myres (1930), Reche (1936) and Ridgeway (1901).
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's true! some are blond with green or blue eyes
  Others have black hair and white skin.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are right Tantrum, thank you.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
good reply there aka-dj
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
I think that most religions are now muli-cultural - I am simply looking for a simple discussiion as to why all the pics of Jesus that I have seen show him as being white
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's just a cultural thing. We all want to relate to what we are familiar with.
  Anyway, I'm off. Talk soon.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  those in power write the books and choose the pictures...
  
  who was in control in Italy, when the 'Bible' was written...
  (for the record Italian is a white race)
  
  who was in control of the church of christianity for basically 2000 years?
  
  How many 'Black' popes have there been?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who was in control of the church? That would be MEN cause Lillith was crucified because she was a sexual goddess and you guys couldn't control yourselves let alone the human race
  
  And America has a black president, it's only a matter of time. But would a black man wear one of those hats?
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Does it matter?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was a simple question. Much of the stuff on these forums have no relevance.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
uninvited writer - no it does not - but a little bit of discussion gets the mind flowing - how are you this wonderful morning -
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
Didn't we have a discussion about Jewish being a race of it's own once before?
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waynetposted 15 years ago
I reckon he was yellow because he didn't have any Daz to get his whites whiter than white!
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
olive skinned doesn't make any sense to me...I mean olives are either green or black??? Right?
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  waynetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha that's a very true statement and one that makes perfect sense...it's like that old saying about hair colour, Strawberry blonde....WTF!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
@ Deborah...Huh? I don't understand your point in the last posting. (I don't understand what you mean.)
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Christ wasn't born in 1 BC that's all.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ok but the first century(0-99 ad) is <0 ad/bc> and <4 bc> is 5 years prior to that... so isn't that really the same time period?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A.D. =Anno Domini <the year of our lord>( not after death of Christ)
  B.C. =Before Christ (which is why people think A.D. stands for after death)
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So my brothers in Law who were born in Greece aren't white skinned? I made it up?? Hummmm
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, I never said you made anything up. I said it is strange that I remember the 'Greeks' as being a people of dark hair and eyes.
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Greek Men. Though they have dark hair (Just like some white Americans do) They have light skin
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … tgfc_-CMCw

Greek Man
http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/blogs/po … amber3.jpg

Greek women
Page after page of Greek women with red hair, dark hair, light skin, darker skin.

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&am … mp;start=0
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Even in these pictures I don't see a single red head and only 3 blondes 2 of which I'd actually call brown hair, dark blonde at best...
  
  Maybe our definitions of the colors are different???
  
  I'm going to dig out my pictures of Greece...
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Page 1 shows a red head. Click on it and choose the large view.
  I went to school with many redheads.
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Found another forum having the same type of discussion. Take a look at photos of the Greek women posted here.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … tgfqpfCJCw
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  that to me is brown hair. (brunette, not blonde)
  
  this is blonde ---->
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
this is a red head ---->
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The one you say has brown hair also has green eyes.
  However there is not just one shade of each color.
  Even brown hair..the stereotype is black hair, dark skin, dark eyes..so the brown is not black. The green eyes are not dark.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I went to school with Greek girls who had this exact red hair. But with green eyes.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
anyway...we are off topic...
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Here is a dating site..All the women that are Greek living in Greece describe themselves as White:
http://eligiblegreeks.com/personals/sea … nsparensee
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Back on topic.

I know that Moshe (Moses) Jacob, Isaac had dark skin. Solomon said "I am black, but comely"
However Jesus lived a FEW years later...I do believe that science says all people had dark skin in the beginning because people lived mostly outside and was exposed to the sun. As people moved indoors and there was not that much melanin needed the skin began to lighten up. I read this many years ago in a science book. It also had something to do with Vitamin B.

Yah Shua could have had lighter skin.
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BDazzlerposted 15 years ago
Typically white artists portray Jesus as white, not for the purpose of historical accuracy, but for the picture to be more accepted by the white audience, or because the artist is white and is more comfortable with that image.

In African American churches, I often see pictures of Jesus that look black.

Most images of Christ are based on a faint image of what was presumed to be his burial cloth (see my hub on the Shroud of Turin) ... artists (rightly or wrongly) presumed that this was what he looked like and based their images on that. Extensive work has been done mapping the certain features of icons and pictures of Christ with each other and the Shroud.

The general consensus is that with the common features and proportions of all pictures of Christ there is one original "source image" somewhere ... Shroud believers presume the Shroud is the original source. Shroud skeptics say the forger used the same original source as other artists.

Racial features such as hair and skin color are variants on the main features and proportions and are typically based on the artist's own purposes and preferences.

My favorite image of Christ is the "Head of Christ" by Warner Sallman. In that image, many of his features are Caucasian but his skin color and eye color is much darker.

In reality, He would likely have had olive skin, black hair and dark eyes, as is common among middle easterners.
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Surnames (Last Names)
Surnames came into being 1100-1453 (Middle Ages) Not in Yah Shuas time.

http://edsitement.neh.gov/view_lesson_plan.asp?id=480

http://www.lisagenealogy.com/Surmean/surhist.html
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Tumbletreeposted 15 years ago
Jesus, if he existed, wasn't white. The proof of this is in that if he'd been anything like a caucasian he would have been a novelty amongst the people he was born in and someone would have mentioned it. There are no white people in the Bible- none!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Greeks consider themselves white and they were there.
  Depends on your definition.
  No there were no white Americans there. White Americans do not have a monopoly on white.
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  Tumbletreeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The question wasn't what Jesus considered himself, the question was could Jesus have been white? No. No. No. In what Jesus considered himself, it is pretty obvious that he was far above such pettiness as to base him identity or anyone's identity off of a silly thing like skin color.
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  BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I must disagree with your conclusions ... Romans, such as Pilate, would have been more or less Italian who are generally considered "White" by modern standards.
  
  Additionally the Greek term used for nation in the NT is "ethnos", from which we get "ethnicity", thus racial variants were openly acknowledged and the conflicts between them recognized.
  
  Races were generally referred to ancestrally for example "The Sons of Shem" (from which we get the modern term 'Semitic')... rather than by color, which is a modern, overly simplistic means of genetic identification.
  
  Race, as we know, is a genetic trait, and the writers of the Bible had more concern and respect for the generational and ancestral issues that most modern "white people". Thus they referred to "races" by the names of ancestors they considered "Great".
  
  This practice was abused in the fourteenth and fifteenth century to justify slavery, which people knew was wrong even then, and with the fall of racially based institutial slavery has fallen out of practice.
  
  Thus the "White People" in the bible were called "Romans", though because of genetic drift they may or may not have appeared to be "White" as we see people today.
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  Tumbletreeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I admit, that if you include Italians, in your definition of "white," then there are white people in the Bible, but I believe that the reason Italians claim themselves to be "white," is due to the fact that "white," is still perceived as superior in western culture. It is all utterly absurd though.
  
  Slavery goes back forever in history. It wasn't widely perceived as wrong. "They," thought it was perfectly morally acceptable. Homosexuality, "they," thought was wrong and "they" imprisoned and killed people for it.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just a slavery note - nowadays we view slavery with pictures of american black slavery, superimposed with the recent history of its aftermath. Ancient (and not so ancient) times it was just a living condition of the 'workers'. We superimpose our modern idea of freedom on those slaves and so cannot see how our workers are enslaved in the same way - just tied to their job and house by different bonds. To test the idea, just look at what happens when the modern job, the service, goes - so does everything else.
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I find it deeply offensive to equate the need for regular income with the condition of literal slavery.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because the two are nothing alike and it diminishes the reality of all those human beings who have suffered real slavery to use the term lightly as a cheap prop to some political agenda.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what political agenda
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We are FREE .... to serve whomever or whatever that our heart desires. We are slave to our desires. When our desires are those things that money can buy .. we are slaves to our sourse of income.
  When our bank account is sufficient to meet our desires it becomes more difficult to distinguish what we serve to the greatest extent.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kinda what I was saying in my post - it is just how we view things through the wrong end of the telescope mostly, slave was just a living condition at one time, I don't see any real difference between that social group and this. I just get pissed when people start babbling about freedom who have no idea of what freedom is, and as I say above I agree (generally) with you.
  
  The post was about some supposed political agenda not freedom.
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Seems YOU are the one who does not appreciate what freedom is. Or maybe you just don't care.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how do you get from my post that I don't care about freedom - this comes straight from your own imagination.
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, what poltical agenda!
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it was your post - what political agenda ?
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh, I can't tell! It's so subtle! Offensive, truly offensive.
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what are you babbling about
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  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pretend all you like
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh really?
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Solomon said "I am black but comely" If there were no people with light skin why would he say this?
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  Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Like MJ stated...: "It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White"
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  BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Solomon wrote it, but he was quoting his bride. Evidently, Solomon figured black was beautiful. This is one of the biblical cases "for" inter-racial marriage. Solomon, we presume, was middle eastern as well.
  
  Your basic conclusion, is correct, however, there was a difference in skin color between Solomon and his bride.
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prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago
Hi Irish, Jesus is colorless hehe, thats because his hearts color is red, skin color doesnt matter, and everyone of us, human beings has a color red in their heart, is all that matter the color of his skin is pointless
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one said it mattered. We are just discussing this.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning Deborah,
  
  I am just saying my opinion and saying it to a friend Irish!
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StormRyderposted 15 years ago
Maybe he was hispanic??? All the people I know named Jesus are from Mexico.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent point. Excellent, excellent, excellent.
  
  I betcha their are even Spanish people with the last name of Thomas.
  
  By the way Deborah, here is a little help for your confusion,
  
  THOMAS comes from the Aramaic term t’om’a. Maybe that could assist you in your research.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey IE, you probably are correct, but your assessment of it as a "last name", is extremely off-base. There were no last names of most of early years of humankind.
  
  Hence, Plato - Socrates - Aristotle, just to name a few. Last names weren't applied until later.
  
  Usually, a person was tied by their name and where they came from.
  
  Example: Name + City from = Announcement or Identity. At that time, it was very much different, because it's early beginnings of humanity's growth. Identity wasn't a factor, as much as it is today.
  
  Just a thought. Hopefully helpful.
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
Btw- answering the topic?

Is it possible that Jesus was white? The likelihood of Jesus having been "white" is higher than not.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
"Caucasian" refers to a person who hails from the Caucasus Mountain regions..like myself...like Armenians, Georgians, and the like..

Somehow Americans have twisted this word into something else, but Jesus, if he ever lived, was not Caucasian....

If Jesus descended from Abraham, and was a Semetic speaking person...which he had to be, his features would most likely represent those of people living in the Middle East...like Arab peoples, or something close to Assyrians....but a far cry from the Anglo-Saxon/Western European model....

While some Jewish people did live in Europe,many did not, and did not interbreed with Europeans...

Secondly, there are also Jewish groups that share no Jewish heritage with those who have existed for thousands of years....there are populations who converted to Judaism....but who were something else completely not too long ago, historically speaking....

"white" is a social construction invented by Europeans in the last 500 years, and should not be used in they way that this forum denotes.....and, again, Caucasian is not the same as "white"....

"white" doesn't exist....
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You took it too literal. You cannot used defined items or perspectives/perceptions now or even created in that last 2000 years to categorize color of races.
  
  Back then, there was not segregation based on color. There was segregation based on uneducated and educated elite.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Someone who knows what they are talking about.
  
  By the way, Christ, wasn't a word until the 4th century ad.
  
  My.
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  BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you've gone and done it, I'm starting to disappear. It's going to take me years to get my corporealness back.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
And, on the other topic- Jesus' last name?

Deborah is CORRECT in her answer.

Jesus' last name came from the institutionalization of Christianity. Hence, Jesus Christ.

Jesus' work was added to religion's scripture, years after he was executed for no crime, so as to perpetuate the "GOD" concept.
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Onusonusposted 15 years ago
Jesus was definitely, Irish.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
Jesus - I didnt think this would get so much milage
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
Casgil...I'm not taking it literally, it is just too many people use words that they don't understand...like Caucasian...

And then there is the stupidity of "white"....

These classifications need to go...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But if they(the terms) go....then what are the poor racists going to use to justify their hatred for others? Hmmm......?
  
  It all begins....Human beings are ONE species AND ONE race of people. To see it any other way, promotes racism and creates racists.
  
  I agree, the terminology is absurd, just like many others.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but we are still classified as such. On job applications, school apps. Loan apps.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because of this very problem, we usually have the option to NOT answer such questions about demographics (even though that's not always made clear). If everyone (or even most people)would stop answering the demographics questions, the people who collect demographics info would be forced to stop, and perhaps there would be a message given.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, really, who doesn't know that? It's only to keep track and control(people thinking about separation).
  
  I would thought that would have been obvious to you, of all people.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was stating why it is kept alive. Just need someone to put down?
  
  I haven't stated anything anyone else hasn't. I know as well as anyone why the questions are asked. However a fact is a fact..period.
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  BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's why I always put "Other" or "Prefer not to say" ... as long as it is tracked, it matters, and as long as it matters it will be abused.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
Well, before race there was creed, religion, and class....not to mention gender, age, and ability based discrimination...

There are already so many ways to hate, why not take away one category at a time?

I'm thinking of Rousseau on Inequality....
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
Here are the "white" Jesus believers here:

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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not even funny.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That seems in pretty poor taste, my friend. Indeed, I'm trying hard not to be insulted.
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  AKDonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How deluded can you be. White Jesus is not possible. Pure fiction.
  
  The whole idea is just not reasonable. Religion serves only one purpose a means to an end. Be good and go to heaven. I think the nature of our world has the best answer. Death and rebirth. Never ending cycle. Even Jesus said " You must be born again"
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This has nothing to do with religion...
  Don't like the topic??? Well you have some choices here.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what you think you're responding to. My statement was in response to mikelong's KKK photo and HIS statement that that's who the "white Jesus followers are."
  
  I am white. I follow Jesus, and I am not a member of the KKK nor do I approve of them, so I thought mike's picture was in poor taste, as I said. I know damn well Jesus wasn't white, thank you; I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday. I don't give a flying flip what color he was, that's the least important thing about him or anyone anyway.
  
  Read before you write.
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rebekahELLEposted 15 years ago
I once watched some discovery show about what he would have looked like considering his place of origin. here's a link to the discovery clips, 1 & 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7eE0cSR4U
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donotfearposted 15 years ago
Jesus was Jewish and a Nazarene. Jewish men of the time were very dark, with fairly short hair (not the long hair you see depicted in pictures) and a closely cropped beard. Chances are his facial features were rugged, not angelic like you see in pictures. But who knows?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  YahShua was a Hebrew, born of a Jewish mother. He had a Hebrew family. He spoke Hebrew, lived the Hebrew culture, kept and taught Hebrew laws, had Hebrew followers, and quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures
  
  Photos of Jews/Hebrews
  
  http://www.danheller.com/cuba-jews.html
  http://britam.org HebrewTypes5.html#Edomite
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes5.html#The
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes7.html
  
  Photos of Modern Day Israelis
  http://britam.org/HebrewTypes5.html#Some
  
  Different Races of the Israelites
  
  http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesRace.html
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You must not have gotten my memo.
  
  He is Cuban already.
  
  Host a Grateful Dead concert in New Orleans, with his wine-o girlfriend Mary.
  
  Haven't you seen the pictures?
  
  Surely you've seen them. They ones where everyone drinks spiked Kool-aid.
  
  Pretends to rise up from the dead.
  
  It's a great show, I hear. Buffet is his opening act.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Everybody is wrong.

Jesus was a Cuban.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Yeah, he walk on water to Miami.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Made his way to Key west, and became a wine-o I hear.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago

lol
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
For those who feel you can get in my face and say I said things I didn't say as 2 people have..
The question was could Yah Shua have been white..since the question was posed I have a right to give my answer. Israel has always had white and black people who are Jews. Since that is true than yes he could have been white.
I posted links to pictures to show there is art from a long time ago showing white skin and red hair in the Jewish people.
He could have been black and he could have been white.....

To say I have said anything other than what the question posed is malicious slander.
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BDazzlerposted 15 years ago
Note to Deborah - I think you were perfectly clear and made some excellent points. I saw nothing remotely racist or unreasonable in anything you said. You gave modern and historical examples of why people may have had different colored skin etc.

I'm can't see the source of the misunderstanding or the reason for the vehemence of the attacks.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks BDazzler..It shows a lower intelligence and hate for others. They have read into it what they wanted so they could attack.
  
  You are able to see and understand what someone has written. Thank you.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
This thread is pathetic! Who gives a rats arm what colour some fictitious person was fer gords sake!

Some one should start a thread asking what colour the flying spaghetti monster is.
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  AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The flying spaghetti monster is orange or is he yellow? mmmmm... maybe purple or red.
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  calpol25posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi
  
  Look who cares what color he was, I live by the commandments and his teachings thats all that matters to me.
  
  As long as we remember to live by his example of peace and prosperity who cares about his color etc.
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  Tumbletreeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Prosperity? I question that if wealth can be considered a form of prosperity. Jesus spoke out more against being rich than any other sin. There is the most famous of his quotes, "It is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than it is for a camel to jump through an eye of a needle."
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't that depend on the sauce?
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
They took the picture...not me..

Anyone who identifies Jesus along a racial line is playing into the hands of those I identified through the picture....this family is praying, and probably ending with "in Jesus name, Amen."

Not all people who try to argue that Jesus is "white" are klansmen....but in my book, anyone who backs that idea might as well be...

Offense taken? I'm offended by this thread existing.....
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Pink with purple polkadots.
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Williamjordanposted 15 years ago
who cares
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe colored people who have the last name Thomas. See Deborah doesn't think it is a viable option.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Colored people? What color are they?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't mention my name again. I'm tired of your slander. Who are you anyway?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She likes to mess up with this kind of baits. Don't pay attention to her or finally you'll get banned. It happened before
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Tantrum. I have to stop this though and have contacted staff. She convinced someone else I am a racist too. If hubpages bans me even though they won't find anything I've said racist than I guess it's goodbye.
  Nice to have met you guys.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're not going to be banned. Don't worry ! If that happens, someting very wrong is going on then !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Tantrum. I agree..look at what was said here and if I am banned someone must be related to someone important here.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let the Hubpages staff find where I said this.. I have asked them to search for it and pointed them to your posts. Leave me alone and grow up.
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