What do you think has driven atheists to hate religion?
- sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago
0Welcome to hubpages Allen! I can see we will be allies in these forums.
get `em Mikel.
Communism, Socialism, liberalism, conservatism, Marxism
I probably get more accomplished Sunday morning than you do all week. And, while I'm out there enjoying myself with whatever I'm doing, I think about the poor saps wasting their lives away worshiping their imaginary gods when they could also be enjoying their lives with their families instead of instilling fear and dogma into their minds.
Just to play Devil's advocate (oh how delicious is this particular irony), I know lots of religious people who truly enjoy going to church and being involved with the sense of community it provides, etc. They bring their families with them and do stuff together. So, while I agree that the fear and dogma are at work in the belief system, the community and the joy and accomplishments of it (assuming they do more than sing and holler and writhe around in ecstasy of the lord, etc.) are not negated by the underlying superstition.
You still here bashing away !! and I thought GP had been promoted to bald-shortie at his own request ! tut tut I go away fro a few hours and the whole thing has fallen to pieces
I'm too short for the world to revolve around me. Rather, it moves in spite of me.
What's this discount thing? I must have missed something. I am a citizen like any other in the United States. I have absolutely no preferencial treatment for any status in a Church calling. It just doesn't happen - at least not in my faith. Part of our foundation is to serve the people and NOT to be served. The only discounts I'm aware of are the sale items at the grocery store.
By the way, the "me" was intended as a joke. Wow, even a simple two-letter word is used against me. It's just two letters, not even in graphite but cyberspace. It contains no threat, attack or even physical paper in which to form an airplane to throw.
The sun is out and it's spring! Let's all just get along! Put all religion and condescension aside on the forums and just celebrate the common foundation of the love of writing. Oh - come on goldenpath. We have all seen enough of your "Woe is me" Oh Woe! Poor me - attacked again without provocation! By the dancing fools who do not see my wisdom and humbleness for teh true greatness that I think I am!" statements not to immediately see that as a joke.
And honestly - People like you, would be more accurate.
Yay! - no argument there. Like you - I am working on losing a few winter pounds. Quit smoking in September and - boy - did I put the pounds on this winter. Mountain biking for me.
This theory, spoken in jest, actually seems right to me...
Maybe it's a lack of responsibility on the atheists' part so they blame religion for everything.
Yes yes the atheists always blame satan for all the wrongs.
And Christians, Muslims or jews never killed on burned at stake for religion, all wild accusations by this atheists.
It's unhealthy !
Hi sneak !!Hey Tantrum! Hows our star?
Thank God I'm a Buddhist.
What do you think has driven atheists to hate religion?
I wouldn't use the word "hate", simply because many people, including atheists, see "religion" as dangerous and unhealthy.
They see it happening every time a religious person brings up or mentions "GOD" or personal "GOD" or your "GOD" or whatever "GOD" and it drives them to bring it to religious folks that- the belief they have formed was based on a lie.
Many refuse to accept it, because of their religious teaching.
However, after a thorough test of the doctrines of religion, it becomes evident the atheists are on to something. As a tester of those doctrines, I agree. However, I don't belong to any religion.
Just my thoughts on the topic.I couldn't help but notice the contradiction in this post with another post recently written from another thread. There is no need to produce the author of that particular post as the post speaks volumes to the question posed here. For your enjoyment, here are some snippets:
So, I wonder what has driven Christians to hate everything non-Christian?
That sounds like Plato's philosophy that man can never know reality.
That's a shame.Believe it or not, your statement comes across as not giving credit where credit is due. There happens to be much we've already learned and still so much more to go.
You're dismissing the power and potential of humanity because you choose to fear the unknown. I understand about being open to it, but there happens to be no logical reason for you to think that humans are the only life form with what we describe as conscious, in any universe, never mind, just ours.
Just because we are the only ones(conscious), so far. When and IF we run across another conscious species, will be the test of our civilization. Are you open to realize that there could be other Humans, just like Us, less or even more advanced than us, somewhere else?
Let's keep it real.As did the Pope. Sex with little boys? Hmm Hmm - OK with Catholics? Yes indeed. Hide it and pay to cover it up. Never happened actually.
Good for you Valerie. Standing up for sex with children like that. Much, much better than Lenin or Stalin. Justifies your beliefs no end actually. Proves it is not superstition actually. Must be a god probably - seeing as you catholics are above reproach. Did not happen,. No sirree.
Very, very well done.yep - that is what I got out of her post
I think you not only twisted her words and meaning, but cultivated words that weren't there. Holly
Very well put
Prayers in public schools???
{Joining hands in a circle and praying 'OUTLOUD' together as a community, in Public Schools???} is that clearer Mark?
Religious symbols on Government lawns at Christmas time...
Religious symbols on the walls of Government buildings, schools...
The attempts to remove 'In God we trust' from the currency of the realm...and 'One Nation under God' from the Pledge of Alligence...
There are more examples.Oh - I see what you mean Mikel. No doubt it is OK to sacrifice Goats in school though?
Religion in Government? Prolly not a great idea huh? Prolly a good idea to separate them huh?
How is this stopping your religious rights exactly?
I mean - you can prey and spend all your money (what the illegal immigrants didn't steal) on killing christmas trees - can't you?
- Madame Xposted 13 years ago0
- Madame Xposted 13 years ago0
Ignorant, you say?
HA HA
There is only one God with many names.
Jesus, Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh, Krishna, Govinda, Buddha, Ganesha, Vishnu, Shiva, Hanuman, Rama, Anandi Ma, Amritanandamayi, Brahma, Muktananda, Chidvilasananda, Kali, Yogananda, Jyoteshwari, Yukteshwar, Sita, Parvati, Rabindranath, Nityananda, Ramakrishna . . .
In Hinduism there are chants of the 1008 names of God.
Sorry I can't remember them all by heartVery astute
Thanks
Have you read Isis Unveiled?That would be great! But you can just send the URL if it gets too complicated. Thanks
I didn't say there were other gods. Just one with many names
Don't mistake Ego for true understanding. Some actually have true understanding and NONE of them are of the religious view sort.
Those who believe in a mystical "GOD" of any sort is foolish to do so, because they are under an outside authority other than self.
It is anti-life, as described in my last post.
It's not EGO, as you would believe. There are true facts about life, for which, people should not be blindly ignorant to. Plain and simple.
Interesting that you said that though.
All mystical religions that believe in the "GOD" concept are based on the exact same 3 doctrines.
(a) selfless in life(undefined)
(b) desire oppression in life(undefined)
(c) belief in "GOD" during life(undefined- 'GOD')
Otherwise, the differences are in the further doctrines added, to exercise more control over people.
Each of the above doctrines were tested and FAILED to be attainable.
Doctrine (a) selfless in life - the literal taking of this is anti-life.
Doctrine (b) desire oppression in life - the literal taking of this is anti-life.
Doctrine (c) belief in "GOD" during life - the ideology of "GOD" is a man made concept and should be realized as one of mans' mistakes, simply because belief cannot be made 100% proof positive. And, believing in something that supposedly lives in another realm other than the one we live in is anti-life, because you're not focused on your life here and now.
Just my thoughts.- sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago0
No and I think it reads that the government can't declare a official national religion. How you doing Sir dent?
I don't think all atheists hate religion, some of them simply dismiss it and go on, while others really do detest it! In fact, many atheists probably find religions as merely humorous simple-minded thoughts, and a good source to poke fun at - like on online forums.
Regardless of fact, fiction or myths..."organized" religions, as a whole, seem to cause more harm than good and should be obsolete to society.
Personally, I think being an atheist is as simple as being religious - one usually lacks intellect while seeking a simple solution or has a selfish motive...and the other usually lacks imagination and the will to understand any further concepts besides what is found within humanity and/or science books.
Personally, I'll just stay with the creative, open-minded, confused, insane agnostic side of things, and try to come up with my own philosophies and theories.
Hell, all of this crap I just wrote could be omitted, and still the most important things to life is your health, happiness, family and/or the people you care about, humanity and this beautiful planet. I don't see that any belief system really matters, as long as you strive for what you think is right for yourself or justified for others.Willful ignorance with a purpose, Dent.
A better word would be "denial."
Actually Will Apse, you're not required to be obeyed or worship, yet you are your own 'god', per se, because YOU control everything about yourself. You do prove morals and ethics for others, by your actions. You don't need to pass along creation stories to be a 'god' in your own life.
It's actually not the way people are. People are taught morals(correct ones) by those parents who really understand morality. The rest simply disregard the understanding they were taught with, because they see the actions of others and say "if they can do it then I can too", type of mentality, which is foolish, dishonest(to oneself) and ignorant to say the least.
"Worship" those who have money? And, you will have a blind selfish fool running around at the beck and call of some ego-maniac. As for obeying? Yes, you would need children, because others(outside of the workplace, if you have authority) will most likely be too ignorant to listen to most of what you say.
The purpose wouldn't be to only make them aware, but to get them to focus more on their life and stop wasting the energy on a delusion, for which, damages others around them, because those who do follow a religious mystic view are selfish.
Truth is truth. Even you said there are 3 sides to every story, not that I agree, but it was something you said in another forum thread.
If there are 3 sides to every story, that means there are two different perspectives/perceptions of truth(lies) and then real truth, which is backed up by factual evidence, achieved through investigative efforts and deductive reasoning.
I do not agree there are three sides to every story. There are in fact only two sides to every story- Lie and Truth. Because, with your thinking, if there were more than 2 people involved, then you would have more sides to the story? Such, as if there were 3 people who jointly committed a murder, but investigation would lead one to find out the truth of the matter. But, you would then have 4 sides- the 3 who did it(lie) and truth.
I don't mean to offend. Just my thought.Aww Holly - so you are looking for a fight. Good for you. This is why I despise your religion. Like it says in the title of the thread.
Yes - Valerie was suggesting that religion is better - because Stalin killed some people and he was an atheist who thought he was god - therefore religion is better because of the altruistic nature and moral high ground taken by believers. I merely pointed out that the church was (and is) just as bad and this was an invalid argument that suggested she was prepared to ignore the child abuse.
Although - I have used my own words here - so I guess that is "editing" what was said.
Like "had sex with a few children" is an understatement?
The topic?
"What do you think has driven atheists to hate religion?"
Sure - I can see how priests having sex with children has nothing to do with the topic.
And the Pope.
Still not understanding the "Stalin killed people therefore it is OK that the Vicar of Christ did, and we should ignore the ongoing child abuse by Catholic priests," argument.
Perhaps you could explain that to me again?Well - I have said many time that I have never met a genuine Christian.
I will become one when the time is right, (another few years yet - things to do) - but it will not be what these guys think it will.
Nice
Wasn't singling out just men duh.
So much for exploring other points of view.
That's what you call debate?
haha Done.- SirDentposted 13 years ago0
Atheists actually love religion. They spend more time in the religion forums than believers do.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
Really? Most people believe in ghosts - and this must mean there is a god, and you think it is funny when "most" people believe in ghosts, but than they don't believe in god?
Odd. I thought "most" people believed in the invisible super being.
No?
Personally - I find it hilarious when people think they know what most people believe in based solely on..... well... nothing actually.
But if it makes you feel better to invent statistics..........
... and yet so much is said! From one of the tomes of course as there is nothing about it anywhere else where it is seen as nonsense by those who live in the absence of the ever lovin non existent fairy.
I think you totally nailed it when you say, "...for these people logic has little to do with it." I agree completely. For some people, logic is not possible (which is so frustrating) and for others, the evidence of man's failed science so many times in the past is only evidence that it's going to be just as wrong in our age as it was in the others. They were certain the world was flat and leeches worked at one point, and could even make logical arguments based on evidence proving it. For many, I doubt they even work that hard on skipping logic. Some just like the way it feels. It just "feels" right... sort of in the way of a Wordsworth poem or stuff by Muir.
I would argue that you assume this, as do I, but you don't KNOW it. To know, as in possess finite and absolute knowledge of some future fact, is impossible. And if some miracle happened beyond refutation for you, some unexpected evidence that defied all laws of probability and reason, something so profound and obviously true, you would believe. I grant it's unlikely, but it's certainly not unheard of. There are many, highly intelligent, extremely well-read, deeply contemplative people in major religions.
Yes. This is precisely how it works in reverse with those trying to convert you. Proselytizing is a feature of religion. (And don't think I didn't grin at your using the "see the light" thing. But, we already had this argument, so I shall refrain from taking your tongue-and-cheek comment out of context even though you have to admit that the fact it fits so well in that spot might be seen by someone like me as more than an accident. )
I didn't address it because, the way I see it, that is a different animal. Her bliss is not spiritual and the discovery of her lack of information is going to be devastating, and may be inevitable and increasingly damaging the longer the deceit goes on. If she never finds out, and lives her whole life out never knowing and she is happy, then I suppose even that extreme twisting of "bliss" from what it started as being in the coversation--joy and happiness DUE to the emotional gains wrought by the willing acceptance of supernatural belief system that answers unanswerable questions--then it could be argued as having had no harm (albeit an argument requiring pure logic and no empathy). If she dies happy and there is no afterlife, then, sure, in a hypothetical scenario, why not? The old cliché "ignorance is bliss" falls neatly into place here.
The problem with that analogy, however, is that it is not a new "truth" that she is given to answer questions, a religion she found to explain some great universal mystery; it is the maintenance of an old truth about her marriage that has become falsehood. Your analogy requires that what was once true now no longer be true, and then action is taken to maintain the old truth with a series of lies. The God thing, and even the drug bliss thing, do not require an accepted and true fact to be maintained afterward in newfound falsehood with lies; it was not once true and now false. So, that analogy, while seemingly good, falls apart if examined closely, and lands in the land of red herrings, as fun as it was to contemplate.
Holly, that is exactly the point I am making, or trying to. You shouldn't be attacked. You have the "bliss" that we have been discussing. And I don't see why you need be "attacked."
I think it's fair for atheists and what not to engage in conversation with you if you bring up your faith to them, or vice versa. But beyond that, I see no reason that anyone should attack you over it. As I said to Q above, I wish I could believe. You are lucky to have that faith.
In regards to the quotes thing getting scrambled, try this next time. When you "reply" to a post, before you start typing, click the highlighted "import and edit the quote" statement that is in the little paragraph above the window you type in. Then, you can manage the quotes as you like. If you click the "formatting tips" thing at the bottom right corner, you will see a nice little menu of how to make the quotes work. It's very easy once you do it a time or two, and you can preview your attempt before you hit submit until you get it right with the Preview button below.Holly,
I don't know the details of your faith, and am not asking you to share them, but if I say something in this post that doesn't refer to your personal beliefs and priorities in those beliefs, I would ask you to understand that I am speaking in generalities regarding religion, christianity in particular which is the prominent religion in our part of the world. Then again, I'm not sure either what part of the world you are from, so let me say my part of the world.
From my perspective, and I believe I could say from the secularist perspective, there IS a religious war in the U.S., but we certainly didn't start it. Since long before its official inception, our country has been home to atheists and agnostics who have quietly deferred to the majority, and fully respected your right to believe as you wished.
At the same time, the world has advanced, prejudices and negative traditional values have been put aside, and scientific advances have been made, always with christian believers playing a big role in those advances. Certain christian elements have reacted against these advances, feeling the truth which is that in effect they threaten the existance of these christian elements.
While it is true that progress in science and moral thinking threatens their existance, that was never the goal of atheists or the christian activists, it is just a natural biproduct of progress.
I know you know these things, I'm just reiterating them to establish my point and annoy those people who would object to long posts.
In reaction to progress, certain elements of the christian members of our country have raised up AGAINST secularism, not against atheism, but against secularism and progress. Sadly, they have managed to infect many members of less extreme christianity as well by their fear mongering, and have gained an unfortunate amount of political and societal power.
From my point of view, the power does still lie with the people, to at least some extent. Sure they'll screw us all as much as they can get away with, but to what extent they'll screw our moral liberties rests in the power of the people who elect them.
As the reasonable minority -which I am well aware contains a moderate number of 'reasonable' christians- it does us little good to petition our political leaders. We have to change the hearts and minds of the people.
Whatever your personal religious beliefs may be, I'm sure you're aware that many of your fellow christians -assuming you are christian- would have our secular rights trampled on, and in fact do have our secular rights trampled on every chance they get. We are already marginalized as it is, and always has been. Imagine how much worse it would be for us if these christian extremists succeeded in having our nation declared a christian nation, which is very much their goal and heart's desire.
That's something we cannot let happen. Again, we didn't start the war, but we'd be foolish not to fight back against this movement. It is only the secular nature of our society which was advanced partly by moderate christians themselves in reasonable cooperation with nonchristians which keeps this war in the U.S. from being truly deadly. From the inside you feel persecution, it is something that christians have not felt for a very long time in our hemisphere, unless perhaps you refer to the interfaith persecution, which nonbelievers have nothing at all to do with.
From the outside, I can only be glad that the persecution -which nonbelievers have been suffering for eons- has not reverted back to the days of violence, at least not in my hemisphere, and at least not yet.
In other words, I guess, I don't really see the trading of insults in these discussion as much of a big deal. It's just a biproduct of the discussions themselves, which are necessary, and a great trade-off considering the lack of actual blood-shed.
Have I rambled on long enough to be annoying yet? Or to qualify as a rant, do you suppose?
Well, let me address something else you said then, just to be sure.
It's not just the very real and serious political concerns. You said something about the despair in the world without a belief in god. Not your exact words I'm sure, but something to that effect.
I don't want to get too far into that, because we're having such a nice discussion and I don't want to ruin it right now by saying things you might feel are offensive. Surely, though, I will in other threads, on other days.
For now to you I just want to say that I feel that viewpoint is detrimental to society on a whole other level. When that is the prevalent viewpoint of society, it can be very harmful to individuals, which in turn makes it very harmful to society as a whole.
I respect a person's rights -natural rights- to believe in what they choose. But there needs to be other options. It is among my wishes that secular society would be able to step up and better provide society with those other options, and I recognize that we haven't succeeded yet at that, and that shortcoming is wholly our's, and not to be laid at the feet of religion. It's partly a matter of viability, the numbers are needed to create the will, and partly a matter of recognition of the problem. I am not sure most secularists have recognized this problem, and that is another reason why the discussions must continue. We rarely even touch on this aspect of the reality of our religiously dominated society, but we will, eventually, and when we do we will realize I believe that a secular replacement system would be helpful, especially considering the high populations of our communities.
I'm not certain the above paragraph made alot of sense, but I'm gonna let it be for now. Because it's something I haven't before articulated thoroughly, and also because I really am not trying to annoy anyone. I don't feel the trading of one-liners constitutes a discussion, however.
So I hope that I have answered your question well enough for now from my perspective of how religious beliefs harm society. At the same time, I want to make clear that I don't want you to drop your religious belief just to make someone else happy or to conform to society. As the discussion with shades helped me to more fully and consciously realize, we all have to be at peace with our decisions. I think that is something both sides need to be more fully and actively aware of.
I have always believed and put forth that if I felt your rights to believe as you choose were threatened, I would fight just as hard to protect your rights, as I try to fight for the rights of secularists. I hope that you can believe me.
In the meantime, these discussions and the nature of these discussions only serves to show that there is a problem in society in relations between believers and nonbelievers. We are lucky that we live in these days, that we are able to begin to recognize the problems and work towards resolving them.
I only ask you personally since we have had this heart to heart to acknowledge to yourself that secularists and atheists have just as much right to their beliefs as believers have to their's, and to the practice of their beliefs, and also that secularism and atheism are as 'persecuted' as the religious are. Moreso these days, perhaps, at least in some regions of the world, but I won't haggle over degrees or over definitions of persecution in this thread.
Thanks for speaking up. Understanding of each other cannot come about otherwise.Thank you! Good, now maybe you'll listen to me more the next time I have to tell you how far off-base you are.
Totally joking, just kidding around.probably not.
Well - I have only been up less than 2 hours so I went and got another coffee and settled in for your good read.
Well said, and so restrained, calm and gentle. An example that others might learn from.
Good morning everyone
You are beyond forgiven for the terminology, and should know I don't think I took it as you think. I saw it as just a light-hearted way of expressing the idea of "I came to a realization." I read it as you expressing that idea about non-belief, that you "saw the light" when it comes to realizing the god-stories don't work. I thought it was humorous, as in, you were having a bit of fun, a sprinkle of ironic metaphor was all. I was just picking on you a little, meant in fun too. Sometimes inserting a smilie is just not good enough, <sigh>, but I did not mean to give the impression I was offended or in anyway took it personally. I thought it was great and in keeping with the friendly nature of the exchange. So, we're all good on that front.
I do not disagree with you on this at all. My point was to say that this analogy is not analagous to the bliss of religion due to the fact that at one point there was a faithful marriage, and then, after an action on the husbands part, there was no longer a faithful marriage. In the god-religion scenario, there is not the absolute truth that god does not exist as a known and provable fact and then that person is sold religion by someone who knows there is no god but that is creating a ruse to cover up the fact that they are doing something wrong. I don't believe that is really what happens in religion most of the time, which is not to say it never happens, but I don't think that analogy works. The nature of a real human being in a real marriage, I totally agree with you. In my head I'm keeping the separation between specific and hypothetical. In a hypothetical case, thought and theory only, I maintain that "bliss" if it is true bliss, is all the same in a hypothetical universe where there is no afterlife - especially since, as I was discussing with (Q), you can't quantify it to say one thing provides more bliss than another. But principles that apply generally rarely apply specifically, and to your point about an individual, real woman, I absolutely agree.
And I also agree this has been a lively and interesting conversation. Thank you for it. It's fun to watch people writhe in agony when others exchange thoughts that require more than a cartoon chat bubbble's worth of time and energy.Okay, good! I do find a good deal of wisdom in the bible, in fact. Having spent so much time in it in the past, I find it hard not to occasionally borrow phrases from it, but I try not to for the reasons stated before.
Someone in this forum said it not long ago to someone else (I don't remember who and who, and it doesn't matter anyway) something along the lines of "using an argument from the bible to prove belief in it wrong makes no sense".
Personally I disagree, in many instances it makes perfect sense, but when the debates rage sometimes it's impossible to reason with people. Which is ironic.
I understand your point about the analogy of the unhealthy marriage. I could probably argue it, but won't bother, I think we both understand each other anyway so the analogy is moot.
Plus I'd ramble too much about the nature of love, go all off-topic and annoy people, which never bothers me much anyhow, but why argue for argument's sake, so I won't.
The truth is, I don't always advocate the divorce in these scenarios, though I do feel the transgression to be extremely grievous. Sometimes the marriage is worth salvaging anyway, and I think better for having been nearly lost, but it shouldn't take the betrayal to get people to that point.
That's another topic and another forum really, so I'll drop it, I just didn't want anyone to think that I am so rigid as to think the transgression wholly unforgivable and the marriage inconsiderably unsalvagable.
I am sorry for rambling in my last reply to you, but I appreciate your point of view. You don't seem to be here on either side of the 'war' exactly, and I respect your neutrality and insights. I don't think you're neutral on specific issues, but you seem to approach them from a well-balanced viewpoint, and that is what I like about you.
I don't always fully agree with you, and am not getting in the middle of you and Q because I think you're both right, lol, but I almost always learn something or better recognize or understand something from our exchanges.
Well I'm off of here for the night, cause I'm still tired and planning an early bedtime. It was a long day, but a good day. I shouldn't have stayed up so late last night.
My daughter -if you'll allow me a moment to gloat a bit more- is the officially smartest of my children. I say officially because though my son has always been in advanced classes and is far more reasonable and my other daughter is very creative in ways the other two lack and very responsible, my youngest child and daughter in the competition today is the only one who was ever in gifted classes.
But I don't put alot of faith in that, because she really doesn't give a fat rat's bum about any of it. She hates studying, loves clothes and shopping, her room is almost always a federally declared disaster area and she frequently tells me "whatever". I swear this child used to roll her eyes at people when she was still a small baby. I know nobody would believe that, but she did. She'd look at people cooing at her, and she'd stare back at them with the most profound look on her face and then she'd just roll her eyes and look away, totally dismissing them from her world.
Anyway, I was really concerned about how she would do today, because she has been difficult to pin down to reviewing her assigned topic materials. It's really unfair that she's the gifted one.
So I was so glad she did well. I was more happy about it than she was. Long day, but rewarding one as well.
So goodnight and I'm sure I'll 'argue' with you another time.I agree. The Bible is a piece of literature as much as it is a holy book. Quoting from literature is and always has been an excellent way to make points. Irony is just fun.
Yeah, I try not to pick sides. I tend to play Devil's Advocate when one side of anything get's unfairly beat on. I think that "war" happens when people stop being reasonable, so I try to mediate with reason. When I can. Other times, after a few cold ones, well, a nice argument laden with sarcasm is fun too.
And, on your tangent, I love the crap out of my daughter too.
PB two hubs right there!
Geeze what happened, ya wore out the keyboard on this one!
Good post an all... Just a bit shorter than genesis! It wasn't your post he was referring to PB.
Hope you're doin well!Yes, tired, but well, Earnest, thank you. Nothing makes a parent happier than seeing their children do well, as I'm sure you know.
I just wanted to comment on the bit about your daughter rolling her eyes at adults. One of my twin granddaughters is the same. She has been able to exit a room as well as Bette Davis since she was two, she challenges everything she hears and when she rolls her eyes, even the dog is insulted, so I get what you are saying, and must admit I find it adorable!
Yeah me too.
Unfortunately I'm pretty sure she knows it!
Thanks China Man, and to your good morning, good night!
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I'm an atheist, and even though I'm a generally good person (volunteer at an animal shelter, nice to people, generous, etc.), I've been told I'm going to hell simply because I don't take part in any religion. I'm really not trying to start a fight or argument, I'm really just curious- why are...
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Why Don't Atheists Believe In God?
Why Don't Atheists Believe In God?