Atheists haven't really made any demands, but I think its coming. So, to head of the brewing civil war, I think we should be ready. Should we be magnanimous and give them, I don't know, say some nice real estate like Florida; or let the conservative creationists determine their fate?
what do you mean by WE...atheist are part of every nation , every country and they are part of what you call WE...usa or for that matter any democratic country is not owned by believers or non believers...it
ddlg1958 needs a head examination! You're wasting forum space.
always resorting to science. Maybe it's as simple as ' the devil made me do it'. Now, isn't that more believable?
devil is myth and myths are often more believable that realities...but science is not devil...it is largest contributor as field in human survival...without it and left it to god , we would still be in jungle hunting and wondering whether sun is god or wind is...
I see you, too, are hindered by swype. But seriously, are you saying that hollywood is part of the conspiracy? How do you explain all of the movies on exorcism inspired by true events? I suppose you scoff at ufo's too.
true events rather claimed true events on exorcism are getting lesser and lesser and soon exorcism would become obsolete...and i dont find that surprising...thousands of years ago ...almost every one came across ghost or heard about someone coming across ghost or devil or something like that...today we dont find too many coming with such claims...is it surprising ?...well no...during those days split personality , other types of disorder were no known...more we understand brain ...more we get over such things...today also we can't claim to understand brain...we hardly know bits out it...
I think the main demand of atheist would be that believers stop the flagrant insults on the intellect. But, of course, believers would think that this would be an extreme demand.
America was built on the back of religious 'outcasts' who wished to set up home away from persecution. Over time some of their offspring have come to the conclusion that they have no religious convictions. Perhaps it is time for us Brits to offer these non-religious outcasts a place to undertake their life without persecution.
If you are an atheist, or a theist that dislikes what you are seeing with those religious people that cannot accept another persons view to be as valid as theirs, then I as a Brit would welcome you to my country.
That way something could be done with atheist (and all those that are labelled as such) - they could populate the 51st State.
Would that be OK with you?
Are you suggesting making Britain the 51st state? I don't know. Sounds pretty crazy.
I second that. Britain as the 51st state is silly. However sending the atheists to Britain is a great idea. They don't believe in that stuff anyway.
One of these days California is going to break off the mainland because of a violent earthquake. We can send the agnostics there then. The beaches will still be nice and we can still use it for quick vacations like Hawaii.
Cmon now, us Californians aren't all that bad.
Not at all, I was just thinking the agnostics would fit in with the New Agers.
Well, actually the "crystal healing" types annoy me much more than most theists do. Most theists don't bother me at all and some are truly admirable people. The New Agers just make me shake my head in utter disbelief..
Without atheists, what would the rest of us "Paragons" of moral virtue do? Oh, yeah. We sit around playing "Hail To The Chief" on our harpsichords! Either y'all have reading disabilities, or the gravity of the situation hasn't pulled your pitiful wingless forms back to planet earth. Sounds like you're planning the prequel to "Escape From New York". The very positing of the question disturbs my Karmic equilibrium. Sign me: LOL .
Atheists? There are no atheists! There are no christians, There are no muslims, there are no jews............only lesser evolved wannabees who have been fooled into believing in mythical supernatural divinities.
It's as simple as that!
Terminal ignorance on your part. First, the USA is neither a theocracy nor is it a Xian Nation[tm].
Secondly, there are many deities far older than yours. Many of these promise 'dire eternal consequences' for not worshiping them or in the right way.
You are atheist with regard to all other deities. When you understand why you're not concerned about them you'll understand why those theists ignore yours. You'll also understand why some folks laugh at the assertions of all of you.
Eternal consequences means nothing when one does not understand what is eternal and what is not.
I see you're totally ignoring what I wrote. No surprise there. What would be a surprise would be a xian addressing the point or points raised.
That must be some nasty cursed armour you folks 'wrap yourselves with.' You know, the 'Armour of the Lord'. You folks have the 'Creator of the Universe' in your 'corner' as well as the armour and you folks still haven't the courtesy to address the point, or points, raised. I find that quite sad.
Its God's business ... be good Humans ... thats our business.
The Atheists are human beings; they have rights as do the religionists; let them live among the society as per norms of the society only expose their incorrect beliefs with brilliant arguments and that is not any difficult; believe me.
I think we should stop labelling people and let them live:
atheists, religionists,socialists and all other "lists" that are as numerous and diverse as our world! We have enough problems in our societies without it.
I agree with you; let everybody enjoy the free will bestowed on human being by Allah-the Creator God.
I am certain the Atheists don't have any good arguments to defend Atheism; so it should not be a worry.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
I suggest you read my piece above if you think we have no decent arguments against religion.
PS I'm not an atheist I just don't believe in all this God nonesense. By definition an atheist doesnt believe in anything.
No, an atheist is simply not a theist. "a-theist". That implies nothing about any other beliefs.
I don't even understand the question What should be done with them? There are plenty of athiests and agnostics. They are human beings like everyone else, they have the right to disbelieve just as other have the right to believe. I can't wrap my head around (what's to be done with them.) Nothing. Leave them alone and let them live life to the best of their ability like everyone else. If someone actually believes something should be "done" to someone who has a different belief, I am all for finding the nearest space ship and getting off the planet.
The "right" not to believe?
Do you think that not believing in gods is a choice?
Exactly how would I go about making myself believe this?
Of course it is a choice. Someone either believes it or they don't. You can believe whatever you want, that is your choice
Then you can believe that you can flap your arms and fly, if you simply "choose" to believe it?
You can believe that you have traveled to Mars last weekend? Or any number of other ludicrous things - you can believe any of those by choice?
Moreover, if you are capable of such amazing mental adjustments, you actually think everyone else is also?
Well Pc I can tell you this. I love having intelligent conversations with intelligent people, fortunately for me your conversations don't fall into that category. I have better things to do with my time than get into some kind of pissing match. I am glad you are amused. It doesn't seem to take much.
And that is why I posted the question. It seems everyone on this site that calls themself an atheist is so serious. I thought they needed a chance to laugh. Guess it went over pcunix's head.
No, it didn't go over my head. I simply commented on the ridiculous idea that atheists "choose" not to believe.
Perhaps some atheists do look at the evidence and change their minds, but calling that a choice makes it sound like what many foolish people think: that atheists have some personal grudge against religion.
I was 7 or 8 years old when I first realized that the guy up front in the church was serious. Until that moment, I was thinking we were just there for story time - much like my mother reading to me at home when I was younger. When I realized he really meant all this, I was shocked and a bit frightened because it made absolutely no sense. I didn't "choose" not to believe, I simply did not and more importantly COULD NOT.
I'd love to be able to believe this. What a wonderful idea! I can't. My brain rejects it as utter nonsense and always has. It's not a choice - it's simply a fact.
Wyntermist was just trying to be nice, out of concern that someone actually hated the atheists. You seem very emotional about something that is a rational decision.
What you forget is what you may put forth in jest other of your brethen say in dead earnest. That's a hefty problem.
In a text medium there's no; facial expression, body language, or tonal cues.
So I take it it was your decision and choice to stop believing in Santa. Very nice.
No 'choice' involved. I can no more believe in the stone and bronze age fecal matter than I can physically flap my arms and fly across town.
According to the abrahamic superstitions; all have no choice other than to hit their marks and spout their lines as scripted eons ago when 'god' shat the universe into being.
what's to be done with them? What, pickle them or something?
I think the atheists will win the mental war in the long run, removing religion from everyday life as far as possible.
Of course there will still be those who believe in god, but I think in most cases those will not be the ones with power.
I hope though that the coming leaders will still carry the good values that the religions provide, because that is an element of religion that definitely needs to be preserved.
And at the one who started this thread:
Sorry Slushy, God shall be the final victor.
Which specific god would that be? Thor? Ka? Pan, maybe?
"Io Matua Kore" is a God too, that I am sure not many have heard about. Haha. I am sure there are several hundred more.
Try to keep up Pcunix, we're talking about followers of the one true God. The opportunity to bash other believers will come. You just have to have a little faith.
For the hundreds of other Gods out there, their followers believe it is the one True God. Who determines which one is True?
I do agree. So each mans interpretation of God is the true God.
Yes, I would concede that point; although that gives the atheists a whole lot more latitude. They need it though. I haven't seen any arguments that probably weren't bring bandied about at the Scopes trial.
There have been numerous claimants to that 'one true' title. Which one is your fantasy?
The difference between you and me is I have had experiences that prove to me, beyond all doubt, that there is a God, He has a sense of humor, He is merciful and he is Omnipresent. I find it hard to believe that it could be other than the One I am aware of. Yes, I'm sure you will scoff at this, but it is what it is. I enjoy the banter, and think everyone should have the right to believe what they want.
Being Pentacostal, I have had experiences that proved to me, beyond all doubt that there is a God. However, I realize, now, that I was absurd.
Yet you only have your imagination as proof of the existence of this deity.
That is why your beliefs are bound to cause conflict. I'm quite sure devout Muslims feel the same way about their nonsensical God. This is rigid nonsense.
Wow, what an open mind you have!
Again, you slay me. Atheists have the most closed minds of us all. I just can't figure out why. What are you so afraid of? And you do fear something.it's obvious in the tone of your posts. Stop worrying about how you'll look, open your mind to other possibilities.
Of course a delusional mind can't figure out anything that doesn't fit into its foolsih delusion. Then the condescending, patronizing, insults start.
Of course you know that the REAL closed mind is the deluded mind. And the REAL fear is from the belief in the superstitions that came from the fearful minds of primitive goat herders, who were sure that lightning was God's wrath upon the earth.
Stop worrying about how you'll look, open your mimd to other possibilities---you can start with reality!
...and of course there is no aspect of "condescending, patronizing, insults" in what you wrote?
I'm not delusional and neither are you. We stand on different sides of the spectrum.the difference is,i respect your right to disagree. Or do you respect the right of others to have a different opinion? If so, I'm having trouble seeing it.
I respect the right of individuals to have a different opinion, however, I'm in no way obligated to agree with that opinion.
You can say that the NAKED emperor is wearing clothes, and I totally respect your right to believe that, but I'm going to totally disagree with you, because common sense, and reality contradict your opinion.
So, that's a no, right? Haha,if nothing else you keep me laughing
Nonsense. You have simply let your imagination run away.
There are no gods. That's quite obvious.
However, if it makes you happy to pretend otherwise, good for you. Nothing wrong with harmless little fantasies. Not for most, anyway.
That, on the surface, sounds magnanimous of you. But, I suspect you think you're making fun of me. I'd be offended if I thought you had a valid point.
I'm not making fun of you. I find your beliefs ludicrous, but if you are not someone who interferes with other people because of your beliefs, I don't care if you want to spend your time in a state of make believe.
Again, if it makes you happy and you are not hurting others, good for you.
And that is why Jesus' statement that love your fellow man is important is so darn difficult. They do go out of their way to drive you mad. I'm trying really hard to love you. It's not working yet, but I will endeavor to persevere.
To use the term ludicrous, as it applies to another person's beliefs is, by it's very definition, making fun of said beliefs. I have no reason to question your sincerity, and it would be unkind of me to imply you lack a firm grasp of the english language. Not sure what to think at this point.
Think that I find your beliefs ludicrous.
How else could I see them? They ARE ludicrous, irrational and completely unsupportable. There are no gods, there is not a shred of evidence that supports such silliness. i WILL ridicule your beliefs if you are cheeky enough to put them in fron of my face.
However, should any third party attempt to interfere with your right to have those beliefs, I would defend you: you have every right to be irrational as long as you don't interfere with other people.
That's what you should think. As I will indulge a child's imaginary friend, I will tolerate your fantasy. I will not help you perpetuate it, and would like to help you outgrow it, but if it is not harming you or others, you are welcome to it.
Neither you or the child can expect me not to point out reality, however.
Again, I will endeavor to persevere. I do wonder how much of this you believe, and how much is just your idea of humor? Whichever it is, it's been entertaining trying to figure it out. What say we try to think of a new topic to post about.
Just as children have had experiences (as well as objective supporting evidence, which theists lack) that proves to them, beyond all doubt, that there is a Santa Claus.
Rrrrriiiiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhtttttt. Fourty-two children make fun of a Priest's bald head and 'God' sends a couple of bears to rip them apart.
Hell with the eternal torture demonstrates mercy is lacking. Yes, your demon god enjoys watching the various horrific scheduled entertainments inflicted on his followers.
You mean the imaginary character you've singled out. No, I'm not scoffing about it. I'm not laughing at you, either.
I think we should take all of them, place them in a huge pile of free money as a temptation of the devil and let God deal with 'em. That'll fix 'em for sure!
Sounds like a plan. would you be willing to collect the donations?
I was thinking that God would provide the free money. Or maybe Satan...
hmmm,see now I'm confused. I thought you were a crafty atheist with a get rich quick scheme.
Well, as long as I wear my work clothes (plenty of pockets) when put into the pile, I should do all right!
Of course, I would have to pay my tithe to the church, but if it were all $100 bills I should still work out OK. BIG pockets! And maybe a bag or two.
Oh well in that case I am no longer agnostic (I think thats the current relevant label) and am now an atheist!
Pile of money please?
I was sure this wasn't a serious question, but looked anyway. As an atheist, I vote for the free money plan. I am willing to deal with the dangers of Satan and accept whatever fate you god has for me. But really, I'd love to spend the holidays with my kids next year instead of working in the hospital, so bring on the $$$. Thanks for the plan.
Would love to comply, but if it went to a vote I think the more compassionate Christians would vote not to lead you into temptation. Be happy we're considering relocating you to Florida.
Who is "we" that has the authority to make such decisions or declarations? And, I'm not a Florida person - that hot, humid environment has never been a favorite of mine. But, thanks anyway.
I don't like the state either - alligators EAT people! Maybe California? All kids of climate there, and I do love the redwoods.
I live in Lake Tahoe, CA. Lots of atheists here too A surprising number of fundies, but easier to find another atheist to talke to. And the religious types already hate Cali (as per my in-laws who think I am a pot-smoking, tree-hugging, insence burning satanist, which of course, I can't be if I'm an atheist.)
The mountains, the coast, the forests...all gorgeous.
can't be a satanist, I mean if you are an atheist. The other stuff I guess is fair game.
It's settled then. We'll petition God for California instead of swampy Florida. As He loves even sinners, I'm sure he will give it to us.
Now if we can only figure out what to do with all the churches there....
turn them into medical marijuana dispensaries? god loves healing the sick and helping those in need.
I think it should be like old times. I tell you, I'm sad I don't get to experience beign burned alive
i agree, and i don't think it's athiest we should be worried about. People who love god have always been the ones who wanted to dominate.
If the question was referring to athiests as scientists, however, that's another story... for example stephen hawking's last statement about god was well received, even mocked by athiests. so what are we to do with athiests? umm what else is there to do but let them dominate. who knows, maybe they'll be proven wrong one day.
Let us not feed the religious trolls, we already have enough problems with religious discussions on this forum.
Some nice real estate would be great.
Somewhere without flood (or drought) .
Somewhere where the Earth will not open and swallow us whole.
Somewhere nice, where the apples grow.
And many of course, pieces of eight.
It really just comes down to whether lasers or GodBeams(R) are more powerful!
Image, just for a moment, that you met and were being interviewed by visitors from another planet and they asked you to explain God and this religion thing.
Question, “Who is this God and where can we go to meet him ?”
“He’s not actually here, I mean he’s not actually a person, Err! I mean he’s God... he exists.. I think... but only in your head.... if you know what I mean ?”
“Not exactly, could you be more specific, You have never met this person you call God.....?”
“Well No.... Nobody has, I mean he’s God.... where do you people come from ?”
“I see... nobody has ever seen him, or met him, or actually know where he is but you speak to him ?”
“Oh Yeah... we ask him for things all the time and of course he speaks to us... well some of us...!”
“That’s more like it, so tell us what do you ask for ?”
“Oh you know, the usual things... world peace, freedom from starvation and sickness, that sort of thing.”
“ Those sound like great things to ask for and this God gives you these things ?”
“Err! Well not yet he hasn’t but....!”
“So how long have you been asking for these things ?”
“Quite a while now, but we live in hope... you never know do you ?”
“And you say this God had a son, is he still around can we talk to him ?”
“Ah! Um! Well no, you see we crucified him a couple of thousand years ago, but you can still talk to him, we do... well some of us do it all the time !”
“I see, and everybody on your planet does this ?”
“No... Not all of us.... there are some that don’t believe God ever had a son but he speaks to them through a prophet called Muhammad, but we don’t think he could have been a very nice man because him and his followers want to kill us.”
“Probably because their God tells them to.”
“I see... So there are two Gods then ?”
“No... It’s the same God just he has a different name ....”
“And this same God tells them to do different things to what he tells you... such as to kill you ?”
“ Hey ! What are you saying... ? There’s only one God so it has to be the same one hasn’t it....?”
“We don’t know you tell us ? After all you say you are asking him for World peace and an end to poverty and starvation and these others are being told by him to kill you..... You can see our confusion !”
“That’s OK I mean we kill them too....!”
“I see. Your God tells you to kill them as well....?”
“ Ah! Well Um No... It’s the Government that tells us to kill them... but that’s only to stop them from killing us ....”
“And does that work any better ?”
“Not really !”
“So... let me get this right, your world is split into two camps... those who think this God, whoever he is, if he exists at all because you have no proof that he does, has a son and those who think he doesn’t have a son and you kill one another over the issue... am I correct ?”
“Not exactly, I mean... Well you’ve got the Jewish people they don’t think he has a son either, but they’re not killing us they’re killing another group....” Then there’s the Hindus and Buddhists, I think they got a different God or Gods....”
“Wait a minute...Didn’t you just say there’s only one God....?”
“Well Yeah....! To us there is but there’s a lot of Nut Jobs out there including lots who don’t believe in any God at all.”
“ And they are real ?”
“The ones that don’t believe in your God or Gods...?”
“Oh Yeah! Millions of them... they’re all over the place... like I said...real Nut Jobs !”
“Well thanks for your time.... perhaps we will just pop over and talk to them.... which way is it to their place... what do they call it Reality !!!!”
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than believing in God that's for sure, or do you suppose we are alone in the vastness of the universe.
If you believe that don't you think it is an incredible waste of space ?
haha.why are atheists so serious? If you want to claim the intellectual high ground you need more than worn out cliches and simple what if scenarios. Of course I believe in the possibility of the existence of intelligent life outside of our planet. I thought that was already a given.
Atheists are too serious? Wha? Suggesting turning churches into pot dispensaries is a worn out cliche? LOL, and too serious? Hmmmph.
Just another sock puppet - I wonder if they even bother to read what anyone writes before repeating their tired old cliches.
WHo wants to live in Florida? It is full of old people and unbearable in the summer.
I saw one of my favorite signs there though - it said,
"When I get old I am going to move to Canada..................
And drive real slow."
Not you. You're funny. It was the waste of space comment. Jodie Foster is over quoted in my opinion.
If you must quote please get it right; it isn't a Jodie Foster quote at all, she was in the movie, but it was the guy who played her father that said the line...
Plus if you believe for a single moment that I take life too seriously you obviously have never visited my Hubs !
I was asleep during the middle. So when she said that to kid at the end it wasn't an original line? Sheesh.
Yeah, religion is pretty stupid when observed with any kind of distance or objectivity.
This is actually a good arguement against mankinds "CONCEPTS" of who or what god is;
but doesn't directly say anything about the object of our perseptions. And that is a good thing. I think ?
You are a good person Jerami, you took a silly question and found something useful to do with it. I'm impressed.
Thank you. You are too kind.
I haven't actually read any self professed Atheists stating any factual arguments about the existence of "A" Higher power as such.
I have heard them attacking the precepts that we seem to attach to our deity of choice.
In that respect; an Atheist has much in common with many theists,
LOL...Too Funny...and very easy to see it actually happening...I am curious about one thing...If a christian claims to belief that there is possibly life on other planets...then how can it be justified that "man" was made in "gods" image...And would they follow the same religions/god and would they look just like us? Just a thought...
It will be fun finding out. My personal belief is that the old testament chronicled the world, from the perspective of the line of Adam; the purpose of the new testament was to show us the path to salvation (and to everyone not of the Christian faith I don't presumed to know if it is the only path). Everything else: God made us in his image so we can figure it out for ourselves. I just hope His sense of humor sustains him through the interim.
I bet that sounded a lot more convincing in your head !
Only joking... Just showing you I really don't take life too seriously !
Haha. It works for me though. You seem like a nice atheist. tell me, what are some of the posters so mad about. I just found this site and it seems like a few are just lurking around ready to go for the jugular of any person of faith. It seems strange that a person who professes to have no religion would be on a site dedicated to religion. Poking fun at someone is one thing, but there seems to be an undercurrent of strong emotion with a few. Have I just not been around long enough to see the other side?
First, this is not a site "dedicated to religion".
Yes, some people, atheists and theists alike, harbor anger toward religion.
I don't like that insane religious beliefs are part of the reason young men and women are dying in wars. I worry that crazed people who think Jesus is coming back in 2011 (or whatever date they pick) will do something insane to "help". I detest that homosexuals are tormented by some who use religion as an excuse. I abhor the killing of doctors because of abortion beliefs.
But I don't "hate" religion per se or religious people. I like to believe that the good that can come from religion balances out the evil. I do not KNOW that is true, but it comforts me to think that.
Other people may not be able to believe that, so they may very well have a "sharp edge" on this subject.
I don't profess to know much of anything, but just because something is done in the name of god doesn't make it in His name. I agree with you on most points you outlined above, but I don't blame religion, I blame fanaticism and people's willingness to follow without thinking; and mostly people's refusal to be willing to stand up when they know something is wrong. If I believed in evolution I'd say a good percentage of people were evolved from sheep.
Not sure that Hub Pages is a place dedicated just to religion although as a new comer I can see why you might think so. It’s merely just one of the many subjects you can write about or just comment upon.
There are a few members who seem to have just a single track closed mind and they come from both sides of the discussion.
Usually what happens someone will ask a half decent question in an honest effort to get an honest discussion or debate going.
Generally it will get going and then get high jacked by one side or the other and then the heavies join in for a while then the Nut Jobs come out and that’s when I bail.
I love a good discussion and I know I will never convince or convert anyone, not that that is or ever was my intention. The reason I don’t describe myself as an atheist is because I have certain Pagan beliefs that pre date organised religion and therefore God. I set off to discover, for myself if for no one else, where God and religion originated and to my own satisfaction I believe I know the answers.
If you or anyone else is remotely interested then you will find a couple of my Hubs on here that explain.
Your observation that an undercurrent of strong emotions run around here is true but stick around you will soon spot them a mile off and learn to body swerve like the rest of us. Nowhere is off limits just don’t get sucked in too deep and watch out for those few who really should wear a het with a propeller on it as a warning to the rest of us !
Really? You just found this site? You really expect us to believe you are a not a sock-puppet? Funny!
ddlg1958 wrote: "I just found this site and it seems like a few are just lurking around ready to go for the jugular of any person of faith. It seems strange that a person who professes to have no religion would be on a site dedicated to religion. Poking fun at someone is one thing, but there seems to be an undercurrent of strong emotion with a few. Have I just not been around long enough to see the other side?"
You have not been around long enough and you are under the mistaken idea that this is a site dedicated to religion!
This was originally a site dedicated to writing. What you have missed is that recently it has become overrun by religious commentary (rather than articles about religion - housed in the religion category).
Why you see so much strong emotion is because many long established members of this writing community take exception to their forum becoming overrun by what they see as religious spam.
I, for one, wish to know what a religious person believes but I do not wish to be preached to. The non-religious here are of a mind that preaching is OK as long as it is there for those that wish to be preached to, not all and sundry.
Many here have minds of their own and take the opportunity to try to show how ludicrous are some of the religious ideas expounded.
If you look carefully at other religious threads you will begin to understand how entrenched are both sides ideas. It gets quite heated at times.
And by the way - the UK has been christened by some in the UK as the 51st State - as an indication as to how they feel that our Government kowtows to the US.
Ok, but everything I've looked at were in forums labeled things like. .Christian Devotion and Worship', Theological Discussions, etc. I haven't looked in the Arts and Craft section, or sports. Anyhoo, 51st state. I never heard that one. That's got to rankle you a little, but either way, you can't have the atheists; unless of course they want to immigrate.
I agree with Home Girl. We are all entitled to our views, opinions, and beliefs. Everyone have a right to do as they please. Leave all these different groups of people alone. Just try to get along with everyone and this will be a much better world to live in. That is all it really take to live peacefully.
Hey guys I heard something the other day that got me to thinking , " Faith? , It seems to me that athiests condemn faith , but it takes way more faith to believe there is NO god than that there is one!" I'm still thinking about this , I kind of like it.!
The gullibility of atheists is that they rely on a scientist to tell them what to believe, when so many of them can't even understand what Dr. Feelgood just said. Reminds me of my last visit to church.
I think atheists should be studied in great depth, for they show signs of evolving past those primitive fairy tales that the vast majority of the man-apes still cling to.
"The gullibility of atheists is that they rely on a scientist to tell them what to believe, when so many of them can't even understand what Dr. Feelgood just said."
awaaahh ? After my jaw slowly rises from the floor, I am still baffled by this weird, misinformed, wild statement. Where does thinking like this come from? Let's break it down:
"The gullibility or atheists"
What gullibility? It would seem that the opposite is more likely to be common.
"rely on a scientist"
Almost all scientists are atheists. And those who were brought up in a strong brainwashing environment find ways to placate their theistic fellows."
"to tell them what to believe"
Just about every atheist I know is an atheist because they worked out - usually at a young age - that religious preaching makes no sense. So they work out for themselves what is plausible or otherwise.
Sorry - what's this got to do with anything.
Your statement is very typical of the complete total utter nonsense that thinking atheist people read or hear often, and that's just one statement. But look what effort it took to decompose and expose. Imagine a full essay full of this nonsense and the effort it would take to rebuff. Most atheists just can't be bothered with such a volume of pointless effort.
Boy, are you wrong. Have you looked at the forums at all?
ddlg is having great fun riling you guys up and it never fails.
Don't fall to a false conclusion based on limited evidence.
And here we are trying to educate..
We're not riled up. We're just doing the usual refutation of nonsense.
If making one's self look utterly foolish is his version of having fun, then he must be in stitches.
I like the way you post. Very insightful. Try getting that past getitrite's thick sku... Oops,i started to be unkind, armour.
Completely dishonest, and lacking any deep thought whatsoever.
Being that there is no evidence for the existence of a God this statement is outright delusional. Completely absurd.
Silly. There's no evidence whatsoever for string theory, and I bet you, like me, read every new article that comes out. I don't fear answers, wherever they may come from.
However, we don't worship String Theory.
Your delusion has collapsed, and now this has become typical of every argument that your ilk presents.
You should go write some hubs or something. That is, in fact, what this site is all about.
Yeh, i checked yours out. Not impressed. I think it is hilarious you refer to my ilk. I thought I was a sock puppet to you. Your attempt to pretend a deep disdain for the religious doesn't work on me. Sorry.
Thanks for your scathing review, I don't expect someone with your bias to appreciate anything that supports logic. However, I do expect you to be mean spirited, because I have attacked the foundation of believers psychotic delusion.
This makes no sense.
You are welcome to conclude what you want.
If I have seemed in any way mean spirited in this exchange I am big enough to apologize whole heartedly. If you are speaking of any other forum I apologize for a silly joke there too. I realize it is not within your ability to see another person's point, if it is a religious one and that makes you different from me. Different is good.
I doubt many of us are pretending to have disdain for religion. Please note that is "disdain for religion", not disdain for people. Similar to some Christian comments, we have disdain for the belief, but most of us have no automatic dislike of the believer.
Religion is nonsense. Unfortunately, it is likely beyond your control - you are simply wired to believe this nonsense and are incapable of understanding how ridiculous it is. It's a shame that children get this fed to them, but I wouldn't want to interfere with parents teaching their children, so I, like most atheists, am frustrated by having to accept harm because of higher moral principles.
You are unlikely to understand that, because you are incapable of seeing religious indoctrination as harmful. And so the cycle continues. Perpetual ignorance, perpetual nonsense. I doubt it will ever change.
And you are apparently wired to be close minded and incapable of seeing it. sorry. It's unfortunate that you don't appear to know what the meaning of ignorance is.
Of course you can't understand that. I didn't expect you to. Please understand that I am not accusing you of stupidity or anything like it - intelligence is statistically significant in religious belief, but plenty of quite brilliant people are religious, so I would never assume a lack of intelligence just because of religious beliefs. If that's what you thought I was getting at, I'm sorry that you took it that way. Religious belief IS ignorance, but it doesn't always come from a lack of intelligence. It goes much deeper, unfortunately.
You might want to read up on Julian Jaynes. I think he may have pegged the reason for religion quite accurately - if he wasn't 100% right, I suspect he was quite close.
haha. you're like a brick wall, just slightly more intelligent . I concede the point that we will never see eye to eye. I have given you the courtesy of trying to met you halfway, but I guess you just can't stop grinding that little axe. Anyhoo, the experiment has turned out as predicted. Thanks for the interaction. Sure I'll see your comments in another forum, but I have grown bored with this one. Round and round grows tiresome unless of course you are a nascar dr iver.
I don't appreciate having my intelligence compared to a brick wall and have reported your post as a personal attack and a violation of forum rules. I hope you learn something from that.
Possibly he would learn that some folk seem to have a very delicate sense of what they find offending, especially when it comes to trying to get other folk banned, but like many others,not so delicate when on the offensive and trying to ridicule those who object to their agenda.
I have seen much worse than an allegory concerning brick walls about me, and turned the other cheek.
But then we play by different rules, don't we.
When in the forums I think we all have a responsibility to try not to be anally retentive.
ddig, Careful, they will try to find any reason to get you banned. I don't consider your post as a personal attack.
Well, I do. Also his "all adults" crack. I have reported him for that, also.
You'll be banned even longer now.
You cannot use the forums to insult people personally. Having been banned for that, you can't create yet another account to get around it. I guess we won't be hearing from you again for a bit.
Atheists -Do they exist and, if so, what's to be done with them?
Allow the Atheists their free will; the reason does not support them; so expose their unreasonableness with rational and brillinat arguments.
...i love your definition of reason...it is unreasonable to claim reason in religion at first place...but still you do that...
I have yet to see one rational and brilliant argument from a proper theist
Heck I have yet to see a cogent enough argument made for proper theists to all agree on! Call me when you get a universal religion that all theists can agree on, maybe then it will be worth... something.
science - universe was created by big bang
religion- oh yeah?..what created big bang
science- hmmm...we think...hmmm
religion- it was god...
science- oh yeah?...then who created god?
religion- It was always there...PERIOD..
now that is being reasonable...
religion would continue to use PERIODS till science finds actuals...till then religion has question which science can't answer...and religion has all answers with PERIOD tags which any one would ask...who did this?..god PERIOD...who made this ...god PERIOD...
Why is it necessary that all theists agree on a Universal Religion?
Humans have a free will; they should exercise it as it should be exercised by the Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Humanists; different hues of them.
Why don't all the Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Humanist different hues of them; unite on one atheism? Any good reason.
That list of yours, is a mix bag, Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Humanists; different hues of them.
There are 3% self proclaim Atheist in the World, and don't about my Mom that way.
They change their names often; so one could call them as they proclaim it; some say they are Atheists; other say they are only Agnostics; still others say they prefer that they should be called Humanists or Skeptics; it is their choice. I respect their choice.
You posted 11 hours ago
Atheists -Do they exist and, if so, what's to be done with them?
Allow the Atheists their free will; the reason does not support them; so expose their unreasonableness with rational and brillinat arguments.
My atheist Mother had sound reasons for almost everything she touched and did. She is not sub human or evil and never did any harm anyone.
That makes her a person of reason and not better or worst than you
I don't claim to be the best person in the world; I am just an ordinary person.
If your mother is a better person or better human being; she will be rewarded better by Allah-the Creator God.
I never judge any person individually.
Oh! I feel much better now,
Allah will send my atheist Mother to Hell for having the absence of reason.
For a second there, I thought it was getting hot in here
You mean like, agnostic and atheists change their mind like religious people change religions.
Except the free will in most Muslim countries constitution are under the conditions of their religion
Because having differing and conflicting views on how to to get to God, it is certain that someone is wrong, and the stakes are way too high to risk not having the right belief. Clearly, you can see this.
I don't agree with you.
If the humans have a free will; they will differ naturally; yet the truthful path shines and one can follow it.
so please follow that...path of being non religious...it is shining since eternity ....
Even if beliefs are violently oppose to each other, and they continually war against each other, it is all leading to the same path, right?
How can someone deceive themselves so?
The truthful religion does not have any teaching to kill anyone or to make war with others; it is for sef-purification, respecting others, serving the humanity.
and that is religion of humanity which needs no book...rest are man made and so we see so many murders , wars in name of my god only god theme..
So you are saying that there are no true religions?
lol yes, I've seen a few "Brillinat" ones though
Your holy book teaches you to slay and kill the infidels where you find them.
I skipped the middle ugly bologna of this thread. I vote for Florida and free money, thanks.
Interesting that your very words of heading off the war started a forum writing war. Is it really that difficult for people to accept others' ways of viewing the world? We are not the same individuals, we do not all share the same genetics and environmental factors; nor the spiritual and religious beliefs. Yet, it is possible, evidently so, to live in a community (online or physical) with different beliefs - dare I say it - peacefully.
Please, also remember that those scientists who are atheistic are part of the reason we have the technology and knowledge that we do. In addition, those who are devoutly religious have created the most revered artistic masterpieces. There are dangers within either side, within all sides; that is the pain of being human, for there is always that one (or many in this case) who are not happy with others being happy. There will be no war unless you wish there to be; in which case, your desire for war is part of the problem.
It was meant as a joke. I don't think it caused any seriously hard feelings. We're all adults here, with the exception of Pcunx. I thought some people did a grand job of staying within the spirit of the post. Lighten up.
I can see it ALL now!
Dump all the atheist in the swamp land in Florida
Mix all up with
Holy Land , Disney world, Holy Land (Orlando) A museum that takes you 2000 years back in time, into the world of the Bible. ...
Call it, Clash of the Fantasy Wars
Nice to see you pop in and out of the discussion.
Okay, you just got a follower. You're funny.
Hi ddlg, it's against the hub rules to have more than one hub personality on the forums. Don't worry just wait it out, were you banned for 24 hours? You should consider a fun piece on humorless atheists, I think you'd be good at it and it would be very funny.
Atheists are those who haven't figured out why the rest of us are so damned happy.
DRUID DUDE, I am very happy that I do not have to TROLL off to a pointless building once a week, and chant pointless words just to keep my God points score up in case he/ she/it dares to take notice of a tiny irellevant spec of matter such as me in all this great and endless universe.
In fact I am ecstatic and a very happy person in general, and no drugs or mind bending in use either.
I'm a little disappointed in Pcunix, most of the atheists; I know can take much harder knock than that. Strong Atheists I know, know there is no real harm in words.
Peace makers, made out of real bombs from born again’s, called crusader, is a different story. If your not with him, your against him, the real physical type, ugly ugly awful
It is somewhat hypocritical. He was riled up but denied it and called it "educating", then reported ddlg.
Since when is it our call as to what's to be done with them? We all judge and jury now? Just asking.
ofcourse...isn't it what we think is what god thinks and we are always right...
If Christian had the power to sentence atheists to live in the swamps in Florida, Then they would have the power to rehab the atheist and force them to watch the holy lands show three times a day.
A few atheists would break down and totally give it up for Jesus and be saved. The side effect would be mass suicide, for the very few that do become converted, they will be honored and rewarded with a lottery ticket to heaven
A lose, lose
No point in the lottery ticket. There are only an allotted amount of tickets to get a seat. No wonder people are killing to get to heaven.
I kind of like the idea of being given Florida, its damn cold here in England, yup, I am up for that one! when do I get to go?
Why do some people feel the need to force their religious beliefs on someone else? It's like a group saying, we like cabbage, so you must like it too!
Um, I've read through the thread. It appears to be a joke. I think the pertinent question is; where's your sense of humor?
Thor is coming - very soon.
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