Why is religion hated so much?
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Indeed they are, as was Hitler. despite the fact that he changed his stance depending on who he was bullying.
I would wholeheartedly agree with our esteemed colleague, pay2cEM, who most astutely points out one of the most common traits instilled in humans as a result of religious indoctrination, that being the practice of believing overwhelming extinguishing the capacity to think and reason, thus causing massive failure to communicate effectively due to the extensive and ongoing deployment of fallacious and irrational claims such as those made in the OP.
The author answered their own question.What? How is pointing out your fallacious and irrational claims have anything to do with bloodshed? YOU are the one making the irrational claims.
What? You're comparing my recognition of your irrational claims to that of mass murdering despots?
See, you keep making more fallacious and irrational claims based on your misinformed opinions.
So, you are free to say anything you want no matter how ridiculous and irrational, yet my attitude is "dangerous and vindictive" simply because I point out just how ridiculous and irrational your claims. Hilarious.Terrible, childish behavior.
There's no reason to post such things unless you're void of the capacity to debate in an intelligent manner and must resort to childish kindergarten acts.
Luke 1:17 ASV
And he shall go before his face in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient [to walk] in the wisdom of the just; to make ready for the Lord a people prepared [for him]
Ben Sira 48:12 NRSA
When Elijah was enveloped in the whirlwind, Elisha was filled with his spirit. He performed twice as many signs, and marvels with every utterance of his mouth. Never in his lifetime did he tremble before any ruler, nor could anyone intimidate him at all.
Here's a good example of how people misunderstand those sent by God-
1 Kings 17:18And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
(Notice she didn't want to hear about sin and she thought Elijah came to kill her.)
19And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
20And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
21And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
22And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
23And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.
24And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.
(The lady's first impression was wrong)
His people perish for the lack of knowledge.
Sin and confusion is what causes murder not people that have accepted Jesus and follow God. If they do commit murder and say they are christians than that makes them a lier. No different than any other lie- it's not true. God's word tells us how to find His people, those that follow him- you will know them by there love, fruits/actions.
Mark 16:17--And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Can you spot a wolf in lamb's clothing? Hmm. I can!
It isn't mrpopo who is playing stupid here.
But, in your world, communism and atheism are one and the same, so atheism is all about abolishing all private property?
You have not demonstrated that in the least and have only shown your lack of understanding of both communism and atheism.
Utter nonsense. A lack of belief in your particular god will not blossom into anything more than a lack of belief in your particular god.
Oh my, there's a serious breach of logic.
If you say that atheism is just another name for communism, then you also equate all of the other doctrines that effect a countries economical and political landscape, not to mention the many, many other varying aspects of that society that are controlled by the soviet state?
A doctor and a trolley bus driver make around the same amount of money because of atheism.
No one shall own land and all rents paid to the state will be an equivalent deduction from ones salary because of atheism.
No one shall be allowed to leave the country or have access to other countries goods and services because of atheism.
Nice logic there.
Lazy? Or, just forgetful? Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you not read Hitlers quotes posted here many times already?
An atheist is accountable to himself, and further to his family, friends and in many cases, all mankind. These are real tangible things in which an atheist must live with every day of his life.
Considering that many atheists acknowledge that humans possess compassion and altruism and need to work together in order to benefit their own existence would not suggest any reason for them to commit atrocities simple because they don't share your particular belief in your particular god.
You could instead of just listing a bunch of statistics showing how many deaths a particular despot achieves make a concerted effort to back up your claims by linking those deaths directly to atheism.
Essentially, all you're claiming here is that atheists love to commit mass murder for no reason whatsoever other than maybe for fun or to pass the time away.
I see no valid conclusions drawn from your statement. Are you saying those who kill in the name of Islam are exonerated or can be defended compared to atheists who just kill for no reason at all?
So, if I have a lack of belief in unicorns, I must know what exactly that disbelief is and know what it stands for other than a negation of a unicorn ideology or authority. Or else, that would be ultimately disturbing.
Amazing! This is how you debate? You post one fallacious sentence after another and when called on it, you have no defense whatsoever other than making personal attacks?
How about this:
It's well-attempted maybe
Somebody said that one ruler left "20,000 million dead," which would be 20 billion dead!
That would be a neat trick, since there are only 7 billion people in this world. So someone killed the entire human race several times over, I guess. In a time in the past when there were less than 7 billion people in existence.
Whoever was editing my history book in high school must have left out that detail.
Hey, I resent that!
Good to see you in here Shahid Bhukari. I always enjoy gaining the benefit of seeing things from other rather intriguing perspectives when you contribute to an earnest discussion.
And, for the record (in reference to Sophia Angelique's reply), I think you express yourself quite clearly - if in a little bit unorthodox way. I've never really had any difficulty following the path of your phrasing, it does take a little getting used to though.
- I think you need to go check some of these names. Many of them were either agnostics or atheists, and some of them, like Jesus Christ never even existed. Let’s just agree to disagree on this.
For the life of me, I can’t see how actresses, poets, writers, nuns, etc redirect the path of humanity. Edison introduced the electricity. Einstein split the atom. I’m talking hard science.
Novelists, composers, actors, politicians, etc. don't invent technology that changes the world and they don't discover scientific information that brings healing to the masses. Nurses, like Florence Nightingale, might use the information provided them by scientists, but without they science, they are dead in the water.
From what I have personally seen in those countries as being the cause of devastation was a result of the Nazis. The cities of Kiev and Warsaw, for example, were almost leveled as they marched towards Moscow.
What atheism had to do with that is a mystery.
- That's really funny coming from you!
That go for democracy too?
- just_curiousposted 12 years ago
0 Let me see if I get this straight. You hate the religious and every person that owns a Bible? I own many Bibles, I consider myself a religious person yet you know my words not my person and you hate me? OOOOOkayyy, I hope you keep smiling.
I don't think it's religion that is hated as much as the religious.
That's what you said. Look at your post again. I don't have to lighten up because you're the one that wrote the sermon. If you say it I'm going to call you on it. Have a nice day.Wow. Had you made it to the second sentence in my original post we might never have met.
It's nice to meet you. You misunderstood my intent, but that's ok with me. I honestly hope your day gets better.
- Home Girlposted 12 years ago0
- Home Girlposted 12 years ago0
Such a terrible understanding of communism.
In order for that system to work, every aspect of society must be taken into account, including religion. For communism to work, religions can't exist. Of course, capitalism can't exist, either, along with a host of other aspects of society. Religion is just one of them, but it has nothing to do with atheism.
In the soviet state, the black market thrives and most everyone has access and takes advantage of it, despite the fact capitalism is forbidden.
And, just like the black market, religious belief also thrives in the communist state. People there follow their belief systems in private, they celebrate religious holidays, in private. Then, the don their soviet attitudes and tow the party line, in public.
- Twenty One Daysposted 12 years ago0
well, it seems he is experiencing the atheist equivalent of "NO, Jesus didn't marry Mary Magdalene. You're the devil making me doubt my faith"...sort.
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I think I just wet my shorts laughing....
edit: nope, but damn near close to it.- can't believe I'm missing starbucks for this. but yeah... it has come to this.
Yes, absolutely cut from the same cloth if not the actual piece of weave and I believe you are invoking hell as we speak.
- oh no the Succubus!
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ps, I 2nd that motion of : that the duality, intertwined, is in fact the bastard child called humanism --and its ever constant necessity to 'evolve'. Could not have said that better. As a friend once said, "these facing precipices, the illusion, that is the human condition, continues to mystify even itself. Just a trickle now, but once a raging river, carving these walls, damp and wet. Over time, the water runs out as mites and tites are left in a silent catacomb for all eternity. Petrified Redwoods would have a better fate than these two!" Sir Morse, Professor 2x PhD history, Berkley U, California.
James.
Oh geez could you have come up with something better?
I don't hate religion, I just hate when a fanatical person is trying to shove their religion down my throat. I believe in what I want and thats that.
It gets me angry, and you don't want to see me when I'm angry!- danise88posted 12 years ago0
Religion is caused by indoctrination.
You would not be able to get a smart 5 year old to believe it otherwise.I don't know which 5 year olds you deal with daily, my little ones are smart enough to see it for what it is. Not only do they form opinions, but I was asked by one of them about god.
She wanted to know, if god made everything, who made god?
I get questions like this daily. Maybe children who are not indoctrinated are better thinkers?
They also remember older information such as what is to happen in the future and monitor it.Seems you are well on your way to indoctrinating your daughter. Too bad.
Who do you define as atheist? Not believing that a ridiculous fantasy is truth requires nothing more than common sense. As I have said before, the word is a religious construct.
Peter Pan has many interesting concepts for anyone to learn from, providing they understand it's meaning.
That would require some psyche learning for most peopleThey are when people take them as a way to live their lives.
I'm ok with the feeble minded, I am one of them.
I have difficulty understanding ignorance by choice, which seems to be the plot with religions.
Yes, just like an aunicornist is not a unicorn believer.
Well put. Not believing in any myth as "truth" requires no more than the ability to separate myth from reality.
- Twenty One Daysposted 12 years ago0
Yes, believers often come to that fallacious conclusion, usually a result of not being able to think about it, first. A result of indoctrination.
Unfortunately, the indoctrinated are unable to give up their preoccupation until they acknowledge their indoctrination.
That makes no sense at all.
Yes, the indoctrinated are unable to "see" reasoning and rationale hence come to those false conclusions.
Despite all your apparent knowledge you need to get back to the basics of thinking.
There is no good reason or justification for the megalomania associated with religious belief that I can see.
Being indoctrinated in to a belief where one's belief in myths are used to tell lies about people, and threaten them is what it is.
I am well past feeling threatened by religions myself, but I do object to this crud being sold to innocents as "truth" thus ruining their lives by no longer permitting them to live with reality.
Psychoanalysis is better left to those who are experts at it and are in possession of all the tools required.I have no good solution onusonus.
I'd like to think that a broad education base will sort it out in time.
My children went to school without becoming indoctrinated which is not unusual in Australia, and my grandchildren go to an International Baccalaureate school with tolerance for all beliefs.
Letting children be children then being able to leave them to sort out what is important to them, requires a certain confidence in one's children.
Children need love to become confident. Not conditional love. Love.
There is far more value in coming to your own moral and ethical decisions rather than have some medieval book tell you what to you believe.
If you just follow some book, you'll never develop the capacity to think things through, you'll always need to be told what to do, which really isn't value at all.- Hilarious. No wonder there is so much confusion in your posts.
If that were indeed the case, animals got religion. Again --->
Sorry, that's your evidence? As usual, you pull stuff out of thin air in some vain attempt to support your empty claims. You were right, you were unable to progress the argument.That's true, I have never taken a political science course, you got me on that one.
However, that still doesn't explain why we see moral and ethical behavior in other animals when you claim, "Where do you think morality and ethics began? It began from religion..."
So, animals got religion, too? Eelslam? Crocodilianity?
Thanks James, but no. I am afraid the market for sanity is very small.
speaking of, got an offer; am sending over the MMS as we speak. 1 for 1. kinda weird, but cool.
"But destroying ancient literature, devaluating community centers and invalidating age-old traditions is another kind of insanity."
you addressed nothing. ... and you lied about my position in an attempt to discredit what I said.
If this is the best you can do you should give up.
"I find that people who attack groups of people consistently and without allowance for individuality is fighting a personal demon, a shadow self.:
I find that your personal demon is a reflection of your own indoctrination observable in your posts.
What is being "attacked" here is the hate and loathing expressed in the myths that support religion. There are no allowances made for individuality in religion.
Challenging lies, myths sold as "truth" and half baked psychobabble is driven by decency and morals that have far more depth than projection alone.
Yep! That about sums up the reality of it.
Huh! I never considered it that way, but I do believe you are right.
So sad. Sorry to hear this.
That has to be the most ridiculous post I have seen in over 2 years!
What a pile of garbage.
You consider yourself to be better than the rest of the world I see. That's fine, but I notice you made no comment on the bible passages that calls the atheists in the video fools.
To you.
You are still not confronting what your only source of belief had to say in the video about these "fools".
Why is that?Catholics didn't get their beliefs from the bible? Did you use the quoran then?
I was bought up with a Catholic mother who was educated by nuns who used bibles, especially to hit the kids with.No that has nothing to do with my beliefs.
I became a christian many years later as a young man by the only method that would convince an otherwise intelligent person. Indoctrination.
I would recommend Michael Korda's book, "power, how to get it how to use it" for an insight to how religion works.
Threats are never made by the individual, it is much better to invoke the name of a fearful entity and accept no responsibility for having said it.... just passing on the "word"
Then we have the saved, the forgiven and those on the right path who have decided they are better than others who don't follow their chosen religion even though if they had been born elsewhere their religion would have been entirely different.
Holes you could put a semitrailer through and psychologically unsound.
And yet, religion causes people to do and say the most ridiculous things, usually a result of not being able to think for themselves and instead relying on a fallacious belief system, here are some good examples:
Thank you. I know many peaceful Muslims and christians in my country.
I do not like much about either religion myself, but it remains a subject we don't discuss further than necessary.
I have made my position clear, then we have remained friends.
They know not to call me to prayer, and I know not to say more than I needed to in defense of my personal space.
That has worked well enough for trust to have developed.
- L.K.kiruiposted 12 years ago0
- really? that is horrifying but no. you're mistaken. Mark is just always being annoying whatever his name is and my fault it, I always for his brand of annoying.
Thanks Druid, you are generous and sweet. (It's nice to feel appreciated)
I appreciate the flattery and take that as a compliment. Thanks.
- You should seen me in the "cell is conscious" thread. I just can't let the forum overlords take monopoly over opinion. Particularly in subject matters that has a lot of confusion. It is actually quite repetitive. These exchanges have had previous lives, believe me. And they all sound the same. But I appreciate the appreciation.
Spot on, we can't always judge a book by it's cover.
Yep! People who were here an hour ago would have thought I had a higher hubscore than 99 for example.... where did that 100 go?
You have not shown that, hence the dilemma on your part.
I would agree, but in this case, the presenting of those terms is a strawman on her part as it does little to support her claim of morals and ethics being imparted divinely.
Exactly.
I would agree with you. I'm still waiting to see how she will support her claim.- yes, it is funny how you can claim to have any idea what's going on in the conversation you're in.
Aha! That is totally different. Now, you are claiming that religious folks were "implementing a standard" which is not the same as your original claim that morals and ethics "began from religion".
So what? Where does it state anywhere in those definitions they originate from religion?
Stringing words together to make a salad?
So, now you've danced around but have changed your tune from religion to evolving brains.
Just can't seem to keep your story straight.
- Muldanianmanposted 12 years ago0
- L.K.kiruiposted 12 years ago0
- L.K.kiruiposted 12 years ago0
- L.K.kiruiposted 12 years ago0
- L.K.kiruiposted 12 years ago0
I love the one about the serpents.
Try handling an Australian tiger snake in high summer and you will get your wish to be with god very swiftly!
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