How to stop water for gas scam on Hubpages?
I feel ashamed.
I feel ashamed that my favorite place on the Internet takes part in ripping people of their money.
I physically cannot go to every one of dozens of hubs that lie to people about this "wonderful invention". On top of this, some authors delete my comments, some do not allow comments at all - surprisingly.
I know that this kind of deceptive advertising is omnipresent on the Internet and cannot be eliminated completely. But I want to eliminate at least this particular type of scam on this particular site called Hubpages.
Would appreciate any idea on how to approach this task
Hey Misha,
Here's my blog making fun of those guys;
http://www.personalfinanceanalyst.com/
The guy I write it for wanted me to write "specifically on the water-powered car" so I did.What a nice thing to say! Thanks! I'm at the bank because I live in the US and need health insurance. In fact, I went to the ER from work Friday morning with heart attack symptoms and just got out today, so now I will have to write 24/7 just to keep my house. I don't know which was scarier--the possibility of checking out, or the knowledge that the meter was running and even WITH insurance I was almost certainly financially screwed the minute they rolled me into the ambulance. So scary, but at least I'm home at last and not dead. My beloved is even now hovering over me making "wrap it up" signals--he thinks this came on from overwork but I think it just came on from being 55 and too fat.
Thank you so much for the kind words!What a nice thing to say! Thanks! I'm at the bank because I live in the US and need health insurance. In fact, I went to the ER from work Friday morning with heart attack symptoms and just got out today, so now I will have to write 24/7 just to keep my house. I don't know which was scarier--the possibility of checking out, or the knowledge that the meter was running and even WITH insurance I was almost certainly financially screwed the minute they rolled me into the ambulance. So scary, but at least I'm home at last and not dead. My beloved is even now hovering over me making "wrap it up" signals--he thinks this came on from overwork but I think it just came on from being 55 and too fat.
Thank you so much for the kind words!>>>
Pam!!! I am so sorry to hear about this scare, and glad you are home! My sister had arrhythmia about 8 years ago, and she never had heart problems before. In her case it was due to the overstress of managing her boutique, which was in turn draining her financially. She got rid of it with my help. Nowadays, she doesn't have any heart issues as she watches her stress levels, but this was a wake up call for her.
MarieThank you Marie!
Yes it was kind of a wake-up call for me too--I'm actually still digesting it. I've been complaining loudly about the bank now for quite awhile but not changing anything, just working harder and harder at the writing to keep my attention off of the bank, but now I see some things have to change, really have to change. I have to pay more attention to my health, and not later either but right now, immediately.
A weird thing happened once they decided to check me into a room and I got settled in there--I was by myself, watching TV in the hospital room--it was the first quiet moment since the ambulance got me there-- and I suddenly became very aware of my mother being in the room. My mother has been dead about 15 years now, and we were not close, we had a difficult relationship. But all it felt like was that she was there, caring about me, just being there with me. It lasted about 10 minutes, and finally I said, Mom, I'm not ready, you're freakin' me out here. And then she was gone. I sh*t you not. It was very very intense--I know it sounds like stress, but to me it felt very real.
I'm sure there's a hub in this but probably not today--by the way, I love the new photo of you and your man! You guys are adorable. Thank you for your kind thoughts and good wishes, Marie. Have a great holiday!!OHMYgosh,Pam--soooo glad you are home and recovering. Please please take good care of yourself. Sometimes the universe just hits you over the head to get your attention and this sure sounds lilke some kind of wake up call.
I hope you can get lots of rest and not get too stressed out over the writing and for God's sake stay away from the bank, at least for awhile. I wish you could quit that job, or at least not let it get to you....but I do understand that you need the insurance more than ever now
Also thanks for sharing the experience with your mother--I don't think it is weird at all. I had something similar with my father--I woke up in the middle of the night and felt him near me very strongly. His wife phoned me the next morning with the news that he had died during the previous night( I hasten to add he was very ill and it was not an unexpected death) I firmly believe he came to say goodbye before the took off for greener pastures.
In any case I hope you feel better soon and I bet I am not the only hubber who will be sending healing prayers your way. Geet better soon!!!!!!
I think cars can run on just water-just not yet. I don't like the hubs that say they can now. They can't, theres nothing you can add onto your vehicle that will make it run on just water. We can't remove the pages because they don't break any rules- you can write whatever you believe in including fake story's, so why can't there defense be a made up real life story? Sometimes scams can be seen and stopped, but this one is more difficult. The only thing you can do it educate people about it on a forum post like this, maybe leave it as fan mail to as many people as possible, better yet-MISHA write a hub that will pull #1 on many searches for these scam hubs ( (; time to use that stuff you argued about) and tell people its a scam in there with evidence pictures etc. That seems to be the best answer at this time
I don't have to try it to know it does not work as advertised
Paraglider gave you theoretical reason why it can't work. The same reason the French Academy of Science stopped considering perpetuum mobile projects back in 1700s...
And I do understand what I am talking about - I worked in car engines design and research for about ten years. And, btw, one of my responsibilities was testing of all kinds of gadgets people sell to improve engines. NOT A SINGLE ONE OUT OF DOZENS TESTED SHOWED ENOUGH MILEAGE IMPROVEMENT TO OFFSET THE COST
The only way to improve your mileage is changing your driving habbits...And I've just added a light-hearted hub to my collection on fuel economy without recourse to soapy water.
http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Make-a-C … -Efficient
Don't take it toooo seriously
Hey, I have a write-up on the topic, too
http://www.funandsafedriving.com/content-11.html
O, I gave up on trying to fix uneducated ignoramuses. Wanna build one - good luck
now I understand why you got all bent out of shape about the water4gas thing. I didn't realize you were talking about "scams" in literally using water to fuel their vehicals, while I was talking about steam(gas) power and not about cars. lol
Well, I must say you have made the presence of this known on hp, it will take it course.
I feel bad for people who actually believe this after reading it
. Can you flag those hubs?- RFoxposted 16 years ago
0Wow, I was totally unaware of this. Guess that's because I don't have a car.
Doing a great job Misha!! Thanks Rachelle, But I don't really think I do
I am a very tolerant person generally. I always consciously try to allow for a different opinion and to keep my options and mind open, without making any judgment. I just happen to know for a FACT that this thing does not work, neither practically, nor theoretically. This is not a question of differing opinions unfortunately, this is a question of selling something that does not work as advertised.
I know that this will not result in TOS change, I guess I am just ranting and venting because of feeling completely helpless, like an infant. I have to learn to live with thisI wrote earlier there were two sides to the situation and I'm going to revise that
There's a third perspective- the one who knows the difference, and has no stock in either of the other sides- except perhaps education. Turn your passion around into providing that objective perspective and inform!
I will say what I always say to the ones who try promoting this in the forums:
The day you can run your car on water is the day you discover that the governments and corporations own all the water and it now costs $100 a bottle.
I also attack them when they come to the forums, but there is an awful lot of people pushing this. I even met one in the flesh at the Top Marques show in Monaco. I very much doubt she will ever speak to me againIMH - I agree. I have not flagged any of these hubs and I won't. If anyone comes on the forum pushing this, I will, (and have done) call them on it. The same as I do for the other scams.
At best these people are lazy and haven't actually taken the trouble to find out if this is a scam or not.
I was much more upset by the guy selling ebooks on how to cure cancer. But I still didn't flag any of his hubs because I don't see how it breaks the hubpages TOS.
But, hubpages do have a thing about gambling (except forex trading lol) so may be they could be persuaded to have some ethical guidelines in the TOS. I just see that causing a lot of arguments though.I agree Mark - a little product due diligence and market research goes a long way. Even then you can still get burned by an unethical merchant or product creator.
Personally I would hate to see the inclusion of any ethical guidelines in the TOS. Like Embitca said ..who would make the determination of what is or isn't ethical?
That cancer cure guy's post had a few folks knickers twisted. I didn't care for the tone of his Hub content, but I wanted to offer the guy some objective advice on using HubPages vs. Squidoo.
Mark you gave me an idea - I could create some real controversy around here by creating a few Hubs on trading the markets and HubPages vs. Squidoo.
Misha write a hub?
Misha - Couldn't resist.
Stranger things could happen, Mark
LOL, Thanks guys!
I'll think about itWow! Thanks Embitca!
Shame on me - I had no clue about those steam cars. Amazing machines. Looks like it might be a viable alternative to ICE - but probably there should be some fundamental flaws, cause nobody is considering them nowadays...
Wayne, I guess the only real possibility of a water powered car is a steam car. Water is not a fuel."Brown's gas", aka a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen, is a perfectly valid fuel. What is not valid is the idea that you can create it with less energy than you can subsequently release by burning it.
A hint of water is using it as a coolant. A hint of Hydrogen is using it as a fuel. Totally different, though both could come under the broad description of "optimising the mixture". No-one's arguing with that.
But, when folk claim a 25% increase in fuel economy through water4gas, where's the control experiment that tries to tune the engine conventionally? Folk say "I was getting 21 mpg before xyz". Well, whose fault was that? So you had a crap car. Tough
I don't think you'll be flamed for this. In fact, I think you deserve all the praise for your decision. I always respected you, and I am really glad to see this was not a mistake on my side
Thanks Kpfingaz, you really made my dayMisha. As you are * unlikely * to write about it, I have written about it in one of my blog posts:
Making money blogging
Some other stuff tooEven those of us who live here can barely make sense of the health insurance system. It is horrible. Insurance companies tend to be weasels and most coverage is not 100%. Many plans only cover 80% of expenses, some cover less.
The reason jobs = insurance is because of groups plans and the fact that most larger employers in the US offer insurance coverage with premiums at a significant discount to what a self-employed person could get on their own because they are part of a very large group plan. Even then it can be very expensive. I think my sister pays $600 a month for herself, her husband and her child and that's with the discount she gets from being on her employer's group plan.
A self-employed person might get comparable coverage for twice that or more, but more likely would end up with some "catastrophic care" plan with huge premiums that doesn't cover basics, only emergencies. The only reason I'll be able to get insurance for myself this year is because my state requires 100% insurance coverage and so they subsidize the uninsured, but the cost overruns on this new law are huge and I expect the law to be overturned as soon as the state goes bust from it (Massachusetts).
If you leave your job, you are entitled to buy what's known as "Cobra" insurance for usually 18 months after employment ends (whether you are laid off, terminated or leave voluntarily), however you pay the full value of the premium as your employer does not kick in to the plan anymore. For most people that can double or triple the payments required.
Your brother in law could very well be denied coverage, but if he's got both a green card and a job offer he might as well come over and give it a whirl. If it were me though, I don't think I'd pack up my NZ life until I knew things were A-OK
- pgrundyposted 16 years ago0
Pam: I had little chills when I read about your Mom's visit, and I have had experiences like that where the presence is so real that it can not be my imagination. Its ironic how we stay with a stressful job in order to keep our insurance and the job is what can damage our health or worse kill us. When I was in international banking, I lost 20 decibels of my hearing early morning in my good ear while at the job; it was very traumatizing to be plunged into a deeper level of deafness- a membrane burst and destroyed hair cells all because of stress, this was my weakest organ so the stress affected it, as I am otherwise healthy. I stayed for a few years more because I didn't want to lose my good salary and health insurance, but I reached a point when I had no choice but leave before I lost all my hearing as it was too stressful. Nowadays, I lead as I have mentioned before, a pretty stress free life, and things have a way of working out I have found, insurance and all when stepping away from a dependable job, at least it did for me, but it took me about 5 years to get it together.
Thanks for your comments about my pic, It was taken last year during our anniversary. We are like little overgrown kids, seriously, we skip over speed bumps in the park and couldn't care less who is looking. LOL!That is so sweet! Bill & I are like that too--we are just so happy to have found each other. I'm going to jump this discussion to another thread as I feel like I've high-jacked it.
It's a mistake
"HHO gas" has nothing to do with your mileage improvement - if you really have itThe reason we don't do something like Myth Busters is because it is impossible with our current technology
You can't prove you can run a car on water alone, we can't prove ya can't but we do have the history of "not freakin possible" to back us up When a scientist has to prove something to change history, he does. But the stuff about running on water alone only proves you can set up a scene like an actor and run a car on gas for a video with an extra tank next to the engine. If a water ran solely on that little amount of water, make a scooter with no external shell. Just the engine and water tank, that is clear to show you pour water into it. If someone did this and there was video of the whole open plan of it running on JUST WATER then maybe we would have a better time believing you. So far we can call it a scam from common sense.- oberbrecklingposted 16 years ago0
- oberbrecklingposted 16 years ago0
- oberbrecklingposted 16 years ago0
Hey, with your blood chemistry, it probably would
Sure, if you create (actually liberate) hydrogen, then yes, it's a fuel, but you've already used more than its calorific value in liberating it.
I've never denied that tinkering with the mixture could, in some cases, increase efficiency. It could also wreck your engine!
I'll take a look at your hub now
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