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    Beth37posted 4 years ago

    I had a hub pulled for adult content... Ive read thru this puppy a few times and I really have a hard time believing it's too offensive. I have seen hubs on how to masturbate where they go into a bit of detail. If they have a section for romantic intimacy, this can't really be pushing the limits can it?


    You stare at my eyes as I sit looking at the darkening clouds.

    A drop of water falls on my face.


    You put your hand on mine, then rest it on your thigh.

    The pond begins to ripple from the droplets.


    You tuck my hair behind my ear, I quiver at your touch.

    The wind lifts the hem of my dress.


    You kiss my neck and whisper my name low in my ear.

    The skies open up, the rain begins to fall.


    You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body.

    A lightening bolt cracks across the sky!


    Your mouth covers mine, I can barely catch my breath.

    The cold air licks my skin.


    You dip me back, your mouth blazes a southern trail.

    We are completely drenched by the torrent.


    You lay me on the ground, your body heavy on mine.

    A small current rushes beneath, still we remain.

    1. Cantuhearmescream profile image82
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Beth37,
      Not only is this hot and beautiful all in one, but I kept waiting for the kicker. I'm not seeing it. I tried to scrutinize it as much as I could and I really can't see what would have set it off. Quite frankly I think some of my silly poems have worse wording/language than this.
      Maybe the guy that sits in the assessment booth didn't like the funny feeling he got when reading this? People fear the unknown ;-)
      Cat

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol... is there a guy like that left in the world? I actually wondered if a certain nameless someone might be reporting my hubs cause its happened a few times lately. (And thank you btw, Cat. smile )

        1. Cantuhearmescream profile image82
          Cantuhearmescreamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, but usually they are 11 ;-)
          I don't know, it could be, but I'd like to think you'd be safe from someone just simply clicking a flag on your hub... I would hope there would have to be something to warrant pulling it and in this case, I'm just not seeing it.

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            Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            This person's age has yet to be determined.

        2. Cardisa profile image92
          Cardisaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Beth. As a poet myself who have had my work flagged for being too adult, I cam honestly say that this just that.

          The first lines are clearly leading to something quite intimate. I believe that "your body heavy on mine", "You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body" may be the lines which are causing the problem.

          This could also be a matter of being manually moderated as well as real people can read between the lines.

          What I have done is just publish my poems on my own blog and remove all writings that could be considered adult just to be within the guidelines.

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            Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So are the guidelines then "things you can read between the lines?"

            Cause you could use those same words in a different kind of story and they wouldn't be provocative at all. I don't know... my pony tails too tight, Im getting a head ache. lol

            1. Cardisa profile image92
              Cardisaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No that's what I meant at all. I meant when a human moderates a hub they see things which the automated system cannot see. It is clear from reading the poem that it is a very sensual poem with hints about sex. So it would stand to reason that your hub might have been manually moderated.

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                Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, it was. I have had several poems manually moderated. Not sure how I got so lucky. smile

                1. Cardisa profile image92
                  Cardisaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I think what happens is when the moderators find a writer who writes a certain way they tend to go through all their work to make sure they comply with the rules. Just change around a few things so it still hot but not so obvious. For example:

                  "We sink to the earth as we become one"  OR "The earth becomes my cushion as we are brought together in love"

                  instead of "You lay me on the ground, your body heavy on mine."

                  You are basically saying the same thing but a little more fluffy...lol

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                    Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Alright, thanks. smile

        3. Jlbowden profile image83
          Jlbowdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Beth;

          Very nice, as well as quite the romantic poem. The only verse that I could figure, that would raise a red flag to me, would be the one right before the last one. Otherwise can't figure the adult content part out.  I have one romantic poem-"two forks apart" which I thought had a few steamy verses in it myself, intertwined within the main plot.

          Jl

    2. Larry Fields profile image89
      Larry Fieldsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Beth,
      A similar thing happened to me on a mathematical puzzle that used a certain non-family-friendly buzzword too many times. I kept a stiff upper lip, and sanitized it. But I did keep the (already sanitary) Nina Hartley picture. smile

      That said, I did not find anything objectionable in your hub. At times, HP goes overboard on the family values bit. Apparently, someone forgot to eat his bran flakes at breakfast this morning.

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, I looked for a buzz word too, but there's nothing the bathing suit covers mentioned here. I actually cropped the picture thinking it was too suggestive.

    3. damian0000 profile image68
      damian0000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I think it is a great piece of work Beth!

      I'm not really sure about the sexual imagery side... for sure there may be hints towards it but if you start cutting pieces like this because of hints, it is a bit of a slippery slope and very subjective... it is a couple in the middle of a storm, if people want to read more into it, it is their business... I don't think it should have been cut

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks. And like I was saying... why have an area set aside for romantic intimacy etc. if they want us to steer clear of any implication?

    4. Handicapped Chef profile image26
      Handicapped Chefposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Beth37 I think it was nice yeah it had a hint of steam to it but nothing that was so out there that it had to be pulled I have read other hubs on here that had more sexual remarks than that but that just my view on it.

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hi! I haven't seen you post on the forum before. Nice to see you here, even if you didn't bring any food with you. smile

        1. Handicapped Chef profile image26
          Handicapped Chefposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Beth37 I try to support things that are right I try to stay to myself but your a follower and I did not see nothing wrong.

    5. CroftRoan profile image77
      CroftRoanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Beth37 I read it over and I fail to see how it's explicit enough to be pulled. I've written and implied worse subjects and I still haven't been pulled. I rather enjoyed it. Just enough steam to make a good romance without going over the top with detail. You might want to talk to the HubPages people about it.

    6. ytsenoh profile image87
      ytsenohposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Beth, you did say that he rested his hand on "his thigh," not yours.  I liked your poem, but I could see the indicators why it was judged as adult content by someone's standards--not mine though.  Quite frankly, what I don't like to see in hubs are the F-word and other swearing terms like sh*t, both of which I have seen.

  2. Patty Inglish, MS profile image88
    Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 years ago

    Hmmm. The last two lines minus a couple syllables would make a wonderful Haiku.

  3. Marketing Merit profile image87
    Marketing Meritposted 4 years ago

    Having recently suffered at the hands of 'manual' moderation myself,  I can't help but feel there is a heightened sensitivity towards any topic that is in the least bit sexually orientated.
    Whilst I appreciate that we must adhere to Google's terms and conditions for advertising, there is definitely some over zealous moderation being undertaken at the moment which borders on censorship.
    The constitutional right of free speech doesn't extend to web content writers, it would seem!!

    1. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I've noticed HubPages seems to be especially twitchy about adult content lately and I think I know why.

      One of their competitors, Wizzley, lost all Adsense advertising on their site for several weeks recently.   All because one of their members had uploaded a graphic image. 

      We've always talked about "be careful what you publish because you could lose your Adsense", but I suspect we all thought it would never happen - until it did. 

      Obviously it was a hairy few weeks but fortunately Wizzley was able to get things sorted out and got Adsense back, but it must have been a hefty blow to the site (and its members weren't too happy with the loss of income either!).   I can't blame HP for being ultra-careful since then.

      We all have to remember that it's not HP that's the prude, it's Adsense, which seems to live in the 1950's (if not the Victorian era).  But I must say, since Adsense filters mainly check for "naughty words", I can't see why they would have a problem with this poem.

  4. faythef profile image69
    faythefposted 4 years ago

    Beth it happened to me on a hub I wrote about toys..turned out it was an Ebay ad . The one I put up was sold so Ebay put up another ..it was for playing cards..but the playing cards were sex positions....

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      haha... that's awful.

  5. Rock_nj profile image89
    Rock_njposted 4 years ago

    I thought it was nicely written and was crafty in the way that it is sensual but not graphic.  Anyone who isn't mature enough to get it or understand what you were saying indirectly in the last line isn't going to be harmed by this poem.  No harm, no foul.  Not sure why this was pulled.

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you sir.

  6. Hikapo profile image82
    Hikapoposted 4 years ago

    "You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body."

    That was probably the most "sexual" part of the poem. I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe this made the reviewer get a boner and he didn't like it. big_smile

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, that doesn't help me any. lol

    2. NateB11 profile image93
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Lol

  7. My Mind Speaks profile image71
    My Mind Speaksposted 4 years ago

    I personally don't think its too offensive at all! I've seen much worse. I actually think it's quite beautiful actually.

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Aw, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

  8. Desmondlee89 profile image79
    Desmondlee89posted 4 years ago

    I dont think its offensive as well, its seems quite sensual but in a non obscene way.

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      Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, I appreciate every ones input. It really didn't seem offensive to me either.

  9. yupperclub profile image78
    yupperclubposted 4 years ago

    I believe that anything on a PUBLIC site with ADULT content is truly PORN.  YOU need to re-think some things.

    1. damian0000 profile image68
      damian0000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yupperclub --- I believe that you might have some anger-management issues and if you speak the same way that you write, you probably give everybody a headache... it's better not to vent those issues onto others though.

      As for porn --- it's not porn, it's not a video or a magazine... you could call it erotic fiction which was inappropriate, explicit or even indecent (none of which I think applies, however) but it's not porn...

      Before you correct other peoples' use of English, you should put your own house in order.

    2. Handicapped Chef profile image26
      Handicapped Chefposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yupperclub --- I don't knock people because what you do is your own choice and freedom of speech is free in this world but I think you do not watch to much T.V because there is more inappropriate content there then what Beth37 wrote to me your way out of line and just looking for something to complain about.

  10. HattieMattieMae profile image69
    HattieMattieMaeposted 4 years ago

    yay, I used one word sensual and got it. lol with ads and didn't have nothing to do with anything bad.

  11. HattieMattieMae profile image69
    HattieMattieMaeposted 4 years ago

    i think it's key words you use in your poem that are related to what the consider sensual content. smile

  12. yupperclub profile image78
    yupperclubposted 4 years ago

    can't be bothered with this bull...totally unrelated to post, poor grammar and just ridiculous.  No you cannot have even 2 cents....

    1. My Mind Speaks profile image71
      My Mind Speaksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Whoa, I'm all for constructive criticism but don't you think that was a little too harsh?

    2. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      hmm...go look at your profile yupper, spelling incorrect on disabled. Well I guess as writers we're all capable of typo's and bad grammar at some point. lol

      1. My Mind Speaks profile image71
        My Mind Speaksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So true HattieMattieMae!

    3. R Creighton G profile image60
      R Creighton Gposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'll bet you get invited to a lot of parties.

    4. GwennyOh profile image85
      GwennyOhposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey there yupperclub, take it easy.  HP will work best if you grab some followers.  Many would love to help out, but you need to chill out.

  13. SAM ELDER profile image76
    SAM ELDERposted 4 years ago

    :-O

  14. sleepylog profile image90
    sleepylogposted 4 years ago

    I really don't see what the fuss is about your poem. I find it quite romantic.

  15. Shanders profile image83
    Shandersposted 4 years ago

    Yes, I agree with Damian, Yupperclub... perhaps it's you who needs to rethink some things, this is in no way porn, its a beautiful expression of feeling and love, Well done, Beth

    1. Rock_nj profile image89
      Rock_njposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly.  It's a beautiful poem.  Only in Victorian-influenced America would such a nicely written poem about a beautiful subject get banned.

    2. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      A multillion percent in agreement.

  16. pagesvoice profile image85
    pagesvoiceposted 4 years ago

    Truth be told I don't read and comment on much poetry because I have difficulty understanding different meanings the writer is trying to convey. However, I do appreciate expressions of feelings, thoughts and dreams. Writing, no matter what genre, is to be treasured. I have read your poem and on a personal level found it to be full of deep feelings and emotions. It was sensuous in tone, but certainly not vulgar or offensive. Instead, I thought your words formed a beautiful image, full of emotional innuendo. I thought the whole idea of writing poetry was to fill a reader's mind with interpretation? Again, I see no reason why your lovely words have been censored.

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    Beth37posted 4 years ago

    Wow. I am totally blown away by every ones kind words... well almost every one. lol
    I almost wrote a disclaimer on my original post asking for everyone to take it easy on me cause I thought I was gonna get a lot of harsh criticism, and instead you've all been so supportive. Thank you so much! (Yupperclub is just a troll, I realized that yesterday... no big deal.)

    1. Shanders profile image83
      Shandersposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Troll...i like it, very nice way to put it lol

  18. Kathryn Stratford profile image92
    Kathryn Stratfordposted 4 years ago

    It sounds beautiful to me! It is quite hot, but not enough to offend. It isn't graphic in a pornographic way. HP must be very sensitive to those kinds of things.

  19. yupperclub profile image78
    yupperclubposted 4 years ago

    how the fuck do you know what I do or what I choose in mine own life.  I am not one of the gouls.

  20. GwennyOh profile image85
    GwennyOhposted 4 years ago

    Well there are various options.  Narrowing it down to two most logical, sanitize it as others have suggested, or post it to your website.  The thing is, if you post it to your website, think first about the implications of - if HP finds it touchy, do you really want it on your website?  I am not saying that whomever moderated got it right.  Just saying that it's something to ponder... you know?

    Great job on the poem.

  21. R Creighton G profile image60
    R Creighton Gposted 4 years ago

    I found nothing to offend here at all.  I found your most current randy poem to be even more, um, direct than this.  Have you received any flack for that?  Censorship-by-whimsy is frustrating.  Grrr.

  22. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
    DzyMsLizzyposted 4 years ago

    For the love of Pete!!

    The hang-ups in this society about all things sexy and sexual have just gone way too far.

    1)  why is it "okay" to use sex all over the place to sell stuff--(does the guy shopping for a new motorcycle really think it comes with the bikini-clad hot babe?)--but "not okay" to describe a loving moment in such absolutely beautiful poetry?

    2)  Countries that are more open about sexuality have far LOWER rates of so-called "sex crimes."  That is to say,  where sex is not treated as a crime, there is no need for criminal prosecution of same; i.e.,  you can't get busted for a sex crime or "indecent exposure" if you get caught short and have to take a leak a the side of a roadway, like you can in the "good-ol' " US of A....  Also victimless activities, (such in countries/counties/states)  where prostitution is legal, eliminates so-called 'sex-crime' statistics for the world's "oldest profession."  (And no, I'm not talking about true criminal activities such as violence  (e.g., rapes or pedophilia!)

    3) When trying to "clean things up," why is it equally "bad" (or more ridiculous yet), "worse" to use clinical anatomically correct words??!!

    4)  Why is it "okay" to show all kinds of war movies, alien sci-fi moves, "documentaries" about violent acts--complete with graphic blood, guts and gore, but heaven forbid we should see or hear about two people enjoying a loving moment? 


    Our priorities are completely backwards here!  As far as the parental-freak-out  "OMG..what if the children see or hear about this?????!!!"  All I have to say is "Get real, and get a grip!"  From the time my kids were very young, I've always said I'd rather have them witness a moment or few of caring lovemaking in a movie or TV show, than to have them watch people being shot up with guns!

    Finally, folks--addressed to whomever is in charge of 'moderating'--GET A CLUE!!  if it were not for SEX, not one of us would even be here!!!  We are not amoebas; we don't reproduce asexually by mitosis!  Remember, so-called 'filth' (just like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder. 

    SEX is not a "bad word."  We ARE sexual beings; it is a basic part of who we are.  I guess some people don't like that; they are too hung-up to be reminded that we, too are animals, (mammals, to be exact, and we share the same top 4 biological classifications as all other members of that group, from horses to cats, dogs and any other mammal);  that sex is a basic animal instinct.  We are not "higher" or "better than" any other animal--it is just human egocentric attitudes causing this entire strain of illogical thinking!

    Death to censorship!  Long live sex; long live our species!

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Total concurrence.  It is a beautiful, sensual poem.  Sensuality is a beautiful thing.

    2. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think we all agree.  I think HubPages management probably agrees, too. But HubPages cannot survive without Adsense, so it must kow tow to Google, and they seem to be stuck in the 1950's.

      So your rant should be directed at Google, not here - though good luck finding a way to get them to pay the slightest bit of attention!

      1. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
        DzyMsLizzyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed, Marisa...

           It's just a matter of being able to find the person(s) in charge over at "The Big G," so that the rant/slap upside the head can be delivered to the appropriate place!

        1. Marisa Wright profile image92
          Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          So true.  They make it impossible - I wonder why???

          1. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
            DzyMsLizzyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I would think that the owners of any corporation are supposed to be public knowledge--especially for publicly traded corporations...  but, somehow, they still manage to hide...
            Here is the lookup info for Google on "whois," and there are NO names...only a server company.  I'm sure it can be further traced by anyone who cares to take the time....

            http:// www. whois.com/whois/  google.com  ((take out the extra spaces to create a functional link...)

            There are telephone numbers given, as well as for a further search on their domain server...but ditto there--phone numbers only--no names...hmmmm

      2. NateB11 profile image93
        NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think you're right about Google AdSense and I can see the connection why sites have to be careful so they don't lose Adsense. But what's funny about Google is you can put adult content on Blogger, for instance, but you have to be careful not to monetize with adsense or else you will violate adsense TOS. It's not against Google blogger rules to put up very adult content though. It's only their advertising end which forbids it.

    3. R Creighton G profile image60
      R Creighton Gposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well said!

  23. peeples profile image87
    peeplesposted 4 years ago

    Nothing offensive at all. HP is crazy sometimes. I had ads pulled on a picture hub about weird looking fruits and veggies. They just happen to be fruits that mostly looked liked body parts. So it is a "read between the lines" kind of thing.

  24. DanaTeresa profile image84
    DanaTeresaposted 4 years ago

    I agree. This is beautiful and sensual. I do not see why it was pulled. The imagery with the water is fantastic.

  25. Theophanes profile image93
    Theophanesposted 4 years ago

    I'll take a stab at this one... Have you pissed anyone off lately? Because I think one of two things have happened. My first guess would be that you were selected for a random manual reading rather than being run through an automatic word catching program (as you didn't swear or use any explicit words or even slang.) The second thing that may have happened is you did go through an automatic censor but around the same time someone who took offense to your poem or who just wants to rile you up flagged it and made sure it did go through a manual reading - at which point the poem became obvious and the reader cried in anguish, "Oh my god! It has sexual content! RUN!"

    So all that being said.... stop writing porn. wink (And I'll try to stop swearing and making references to medical conditions and anatomy...) PS You don't really want to get tagged multiple times or they will start reading everything you post manually. If you know something is going to be a problem there is always the option of taking off the ads yourself. You won't be paid for it but it'll still be up to potentially move traffic to your other Hubs. Good luck!

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    Beth37posted 4 years ago

    Holy cow, Ive really started something here. Sorry to rile so many feathers.
    I have heard back from HPs. I asked if it was a specific word or line they said no, it was the overall content... so...

    Then there is another person hounding me by leaving really unkind comments on my hubs cause he/she feels you can't be a Christian and be sexual, although having four kids, I can assure you, it is possible. He/she has been writing me by email etc and Ive asked them to put a cap on it... I don't think they have learned the crusades are over. And now the trolly dude on this thread. IDK, I think I am a troll magnet.

    You all have been awesome. Ive gotten great info from everyone and Ill try and figure it all out. Thank you for the support! smile

    1. My Mind Speaks profile image71
      My Mind Speaksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think if you go into your profile your allowed to "block" certain people (I think it's up to 3.) I would also e-mail and tell support so that you have documentation etc and just to keep them abreast of the situation.


      I'm so sorry your going through this sad I hope they leave you alone soon and it stops. People can have opinions but this is becoming way too cruel and it's not fair.

    2. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Evidently, that person has never read Song of Solomon!

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        Beth37posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Right? Thats what I think of when I read them.

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    Beth37posted 4 years ago

    Thanks Mymindspeaks,
    It's not the end of the world, it just doesn't make sense to me... maybe cause Ive seen stuff that could actually be considered offensive, but oh well.

 
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